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She had just stepped out 19 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: of the car coming home from an ice cream parlor 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: with friends on a Sunday night, and she is blown 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: away in the driveway. No um theft, no sex attack, 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: no provocation, no carjacking, nothing, shot at least ten times 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: in the chest. Sounds like someone was waiting for her 24 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: to step to set foot out of that car before 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: she's gunned down. Now, the intrigue surrounding at ten thousand 26 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: dollar wedding dress, the ride jilted literally as she is 27 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: heading towards the altar just before the wedding, and now 28 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: claims of local government cover up. This case is blowing up. 29 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: But nothing, nothing can get us away from the fact 30 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: that Rachel Deltando is found in a pool of blood 31 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: in her driveway, her mom and dad running out to 32 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: find their daughter dead. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, 33 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The al Equippa Police 34 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: Department in Pennsylvania has just applied for a second search 35 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: want for eighteen student Sheldon Jeter Jr. What does that 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: have to do with anything? Joining me right now? Crime 37 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter Larry Mayher, Karen Smith, forensics expert Wendy 38 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Patrick's Southern California prosecutor, the host of the Hit Investigation 39 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: Discoveries series Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell Shley Wilcot, juvenile judge, 40 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Straight 41 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to you, Larry Mayor, Let's just start at the beginning, 42 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: because so much is happening in this case. It's it's 43 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: too much to take in. And start at the beginning 44 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: with her being gunned down, and we'll work our way 45 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: toward now a police officer being taken off the case, 46 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: not just off the case, off the force because of 47 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: this investigation. Start at the beginning, Larry. Let's start with 48 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Rachel Deltondo going to an ice cream parlor. She was 49 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: accompanied by two people, one of whom is the daughter 50 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: of a police sergeant in the local police force. The 51 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: other we'll get to him in just a moment. They 52 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: went to this ice cream parlor, then returned to Rachel 53 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Deltondo's mother's home as she got out of the Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, Larry, 54 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: nobody likes mystery. Okay, we we need all the pieces 55 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: of the puzzle so we can fit this thing together. 56 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: So hold on, buddy number one. It's Rachel, who's absolutely gorgeous. 57 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gold. Throw that in and I can see 58 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: her in that wedding dress right now, Ashley Willcott, I Um, 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: we decided on Tuesday to get married on Saturday. That's 60 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: how that went down. I ordered one wedding dress in 61 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: two different sizes over the internet, okay, and we did 62 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: it all right. Now, it was nothing like this, Ashley, 63 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: where sheep had a custom made wedding dress. They went, 64 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: they get they said, a big Italian wedding right and all, 65 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: I'll put out all the stops, ten thousand dollar wedding dress. 66 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: And it was gorgeous and she's gorgeous, and then the 67 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: gram jilted her. Broke up, Ashley, what about that ten 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: thousand dollar wedding dress? Ten thousand dollars? So, like you said, 69 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: number one, it's not only the cost, but it's custom right. 70 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: How many people do we know? I spent less than 71 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: that on my wedding, my reception, the whole shebang. Most 72 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: people spend less than that on every thing to get married. 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: That is such a decadent, extravagant, extreme cost for a 74 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: dress to most of us. Now, hold on, hold on, Missy, 75 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the mom and dad wanted this for her, okay, and 76 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: they put down five thousand dollars go into I guess 77 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: they went into New York City to get a custom made, 78 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: then the groom backs out of the whole thing, breaks 79 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: off the engagement, and she's fine. You know what. Hold on, 80 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Larry may Or, you may not understand the significance of 81 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: us talking about a ten dollar wedding dress. Let's just 82 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: start with that. Let's just start with the wedding dress. Okay, 83 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: then we'll get to the dead body. I understand the 84 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: significance fully, having been through a wedding myself. Okay, hold on, 85 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. When Rachel got engaged, Mom 86 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: took over planning a big time wedding, including a nearly 87 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar gown to be handmade by a New 88 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: York designer. There was a custom dress had to be 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: a to her us. The family put down a deposit 90 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: of more than four thousand dollars, and that, according to 91 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the contract, was nonrefundable and non transferable under any circumstances. 92 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Lisa del Tondo says she got that from day one. 93 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: I was told that this is binding. I knew what 94 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: this thing said. They bought the dress and and Gregory 95 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: for the bride. In dormant Rachiel del Tondo was measured. 96 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: The family put down nearly half. It's made to order 97 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: and there's no exchanges and about no refunds. I understood that. 98 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Four months after the contract was signed, the wedding was 99 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: called off. Lisa del Tondo called the New York designer 100 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: to see if they had started on the dress and 101 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: asked for a refund. I called New York. I did 102 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: He told me it couldn't be done. Del Tondo says. 103 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: She told the local bridal salon she'd pay the balance 104 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: and take delivery of the dress. I wanted the gown 105 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: so I could sell it. Del Tondo says the salon 106 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: never delivered the dress and refused to refund her money, 107 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: so she took the owner to Small Claims Court. It 108 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: says disposition default judgment for plain of court papers indicate 109 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: the salon owner did not appear for the hearing. As 110 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: a result, he was ordered to pay the del Tondo's 111 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: more than forty six hundred dollars. He had thirty days 112 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: to write us a check or file a pill and 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: he did not. Salon owner Gregory Jericho in an email, 114 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: he told me, December got by me with two deaths 115 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: in the family. We will be sending a certified check 116 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: out to del Tondo to Wendy Patrick, Southern California Prosecutor. Wendy, 117 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: I hardly think that a wedding dress dispute is cause 118 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: for murder. Absolutely, there's something far more serious and and 119 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: sinister going on here as well. However, it's details like 120 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: this that make cases like this interesting. And you have 121 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: got to wonder whether or not some of the drama 122 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: involved and and just some of these out ostentatious details 123 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that we've been discussing have some relevance to motive. And obviously, 124 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, you know, we know you don't have 125 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: to prove motive, but boy, it sure matters to the 126 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: jury knowing even some of these tangential details may actually 127 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: lead us to figuring out how, and more importantly for 128 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: the listeners and for the jurors ultimately why this happened. 129 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, uh, Wendy. Another thing, guys with me is 130 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, Wendy Patrick, Ashley Wilcott, Larry Mayor, and 131 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Karen Smith. We need all the brain power we can 132 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: get on this one, you know, Wendy, I was saying 133 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: the other day that I used to love in court 134 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: watching the other lawyer have a little list of questions 135 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: and just go down the questions of reading them. No 136 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: matter what the witness said, it just shows a complete 137 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: lack of curiosity. I'm curious. I'm curious because not in 138 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: my wedding, I'll be honest, But in a lot of 139 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: weddings there's a lot of high tension. And here the 140 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: family who had had put out a lot of money 141 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: for this wedding. Then suddenly the groom breaks the engagement. 142 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the bride to be is gunned 143 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: down in the driveway. And none of it makes And 144 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: he says, I mean, white gunned down a school teacher 145 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: in the driveway just after her wedding has been canceled. Wendy, 146 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to think it's not connected. But 147 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: we're getting more information now that suggests it was a 148 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: very different motive than anything to do with the wedding dress. 149 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: So absolutely, And you know, that's one of the reasons 150 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: that we really make sure we're not focusing on the 151 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: wrong details. Some details may be very interesting, but as 152 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: we all know, when you get into court, they may 153 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: ultimately be inadmissible because there's no relevance to the actual 154 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: charges that are brought. That's why we always want to 155 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: be so careful when we let our curiosity get the 156 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: best of us. And I think I know who you're 157 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: talking about, Lady Patrick. I think you're suggesting I'm lending 158 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: us all down a rabbit hole. Well, guess what headline 159 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: banner above the fold. I think the whole wedding and 160 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: they break off the engagement of the engagement does have 161 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: to do with the murder. And I'll tell you why. 162 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: Back to Larry Mayher. You wouldn't tell me who else 163 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: went to the ice cream parlor, Larry Mayher. Okay, well 164 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: hold on, so you've got her the Briane, I'll call 165 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: her Rachards Altonda. You've got the police sergeant's daughter with her, 166 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: who was now being relieved of his duties with pay 167 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: off the force. Over All this and the third mystery 168 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: person who happens to be one of Rachel's former students, 169 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a male students brother. Now where does that fit into 170 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: the scenario? That's that student is key to all of 171 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: this because in February he and she were found by 172 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: police in a parked car at two o'clock in the morning. 173 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: The students, according to a police report, now, no one 174 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: was no one was arrested at that point, and the 175 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: officers took the seventeen year old home. His name is 176 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Sheldon Cheeter. Now who wa wa wa wa wa. Yeah, 177 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm drinking on the fire hydrant again too much, so 178 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: you're telling me just before the wedding is the engagement 179 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: is broken? Just before the weddings to go down. She 180 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the teacher, is found in a car not running, in 181 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: an empty parking lot of a hospital. The car is 182 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: steamed up on the inside. It's about two o'clock in 183 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: the morning. As I always say, Wendy, feel free to 184 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: steal this for your juries. Nothing good happens after midnight. 185 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: It's two am. She's in the car with a boy student. 186 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to point out, Ashley Willcott, that charges were 187 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: never filed. Okay over this. The police knew about it 188 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: because they showed up and followed the report. But I 189 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: can tell you who didn't know anything about it was 190 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the boy's mother. Listen to this target Levin's girl obtained 191 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: a copy of the police report about that night and 192 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: took it to the student's mom. I don't know if 193 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: you've seen this. This is a copy of the police report. 194 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Are you plice report? The former student was her then 195 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: sixteen year old son. I really don't want to believe it, 196 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: but she's only just finding out about the incident I 197 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: have been hearing going around. According to the police report, 198 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: the officer asked the teacher what was going on. Both 199 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: the student and teacher said they were quote talking and 200 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: we're just friends. If this is true, wats then unnotified 201 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,479 Speaker 1: police and us a statement saying the incident was investigated 202 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: twice and was quote unfounded. That answer isn't good enough 203 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: for this mom. I'm looking to obtain a lawyer um 204 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: to find out what is actually going on. So cleared 205 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: up for me, Larry Mayher. Did the school know about 206 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: the incident at the time at the time, No, it 207 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: was in the fall of that someone got ahold of 208 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: the police report and leak it to the media and 209 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: to the school. That's when the school found out about 210 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: this particular incident and suspended Deltono from her teaching. Wow, 211 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: so that was leaked and yeah, And one of the 212 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: issues I have is it appears as if, from the 213 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: facts we know at this time, the police sat on 214 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: the report. They did their own investigation, but they didn't 215 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: report it to Child Protective Services, and they didn't report 216 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: it to the school, which is a problem when you 217 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: have a seventeen year old with an adult to Dr 218 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of the hit show 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: on investigation Discovery, Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell, Well, I'm 220 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: trying to piece together the timeline because this all leads 221 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: up to her being gunned down in her driveway on 222 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, and her parents running out and seeing 223 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: their daughter dead, and a police officer, a sergeant, being 224 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: relieved of his duties over all this and leaking. Somebody 225 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: leaked that police report on purpose, someone that had access 226 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: to police private reports. Was sent to media outlets the 227 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: police report, it was sent to the Ghool, it was 228 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: sent to I think friends of Rachel Dontando. She was 229 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: totally humiliated. Dr Brian Russell, needless to say. The first 230 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: thing she said when the cops got her out of 231 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: that car with the teen student all steamed up, two am, 232 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: don't tell my fiance this is innocent. He'd get mad. 233 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Nothing happened, Brian. So one of the first things that 234 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: they teach us in psychotherapy school is that because something 235 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: came before does not necessarily mean it has any causal 236 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: connection to what came after that being said? I stopped 237 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: right there, Brian, I don't know what you just said. 238 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: You gotta break I'm just a j D all right, 239 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. What was that you just said? So, 240 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: so we know that preceding this murder, there was this 241 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: incident in which this woman, who was apparently engaged at 242 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the time, was found in a steamed up car with 243 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: another man, all who happened to be a young male. Uh. 244 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Seems like there was some kind of a connection form 245 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: perhaps between her and this male that had to do 246 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: with her teaching, although as you said, she was never 247 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: charged or convicted of anything and involving her having had 248 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: any kind of a sex relationship with a student. And so, 249 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's tempting to look at that and go, well, 250 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: one came before the other. There must be some kind 251 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: of a causal connection here. But in psychotherapy school, one 252 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: of the things they teach us is when the patient 253 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: comes in and says, well, here's what's happening now and 254 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: here's what happened before, not to necessarily jump to the 255 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: conclusion that those things are causally related. As I'm listening 256 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: to all this, one of the things that I'm thinking 257 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: when you were talking about the dress and the dressmaker 258 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: or the dress seller being potentially upset with the family 259 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: because they tried to renege on the purchase of the 260 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: dress when the wedding got canceled and then they had 261 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: this small claims court thing that they lost and had 262 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: to refund the money to the family. I agree with you, 263 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like anywhere near a big enough deal 264 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: to have resulted in this woman's murder. It sounds like 265 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: someone had a much deeper, more interpersonal grudge against this woman. 266 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: But what I think is that incident about the dress 267 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: may very well be used by the defense ultimately of 268 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: whoever gets charged with this, to try to create reasonable doubt, 269 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: in other words, to try to say to the jury, look, 270 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: there was somebody else who had a motive here. You 271 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a great motive, But okay, 272 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: Dr Brian. We always always talk about Jackie here in 273 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: the studio, but she is sitting here a laughing and 274 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: be shaking her head no no, no to everything you're saying, 275 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: and she has a comment, Jackie, please yelling across the 276 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: studio there's fire, okay, whether it's smoke there's fire. She's saying. 277 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to interpret for her. I think 278 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: she's saying that your fiance he's caught in a car 279 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: with a boy student. The cars not running, but the 280 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: windows are steamed up at two o'clock in the morning. 281 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: And then you find out because somebody leaks the police report. 282 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: This is just before your wedding. Yeah, he's gonna break 283 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: off the engagement. Now you're saying there's no connection. But 284 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: I put bet dollars to doughnuts if I were a 285 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: betting person, which I'm not, that it did have something 286 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: to do with breaking that engagement. But it all ended here. 287 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: It all ends here. Listen to this. I counted six shots, 288 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: but I had heard them before in this back area. 289 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: I heard the shots that I didn't hear anything else. 290 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: So I went back to sleep. Beautifully friendly, knows everybody, knew, everybody, 291 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: talk to everybody. You think you're safe going anywhere, but 292 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: one house up you're not very very nice girl, prime 293 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: of her life. And this is what happens. How did 294 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: a broken engagement, a ten dollar wedding dress end up 295 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: with a police sergeant being relieved of his duties and 296 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: now a teen boys cell phone records have been subpoenaed 297 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: um its claims of a government cover up, cover up. Man, 298 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: this thing is getting way way out of control. Back 299 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: this is my last time on the wedding dress. Okay, 300 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: I want you to hear what the fiance says. Listen 301 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: to him. Is he in as a suspect? Is he 302 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: out as a suspect? Listen to what he says for 303 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: that to happen in the community I'm very familiar with. 304 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: And nobody know nothing and not see nothing, and nothing 305 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: or nobody coming forward is to me as mind blowing. 306 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't sit well with me, you know, 307 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: at the end of the the day, and she does deserve justice. 308 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: Has been implied and strongly implied in many cases that 309 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: he could potentially have been involved in this. So we 310 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: felt an important in addition to cooperating, that he want 311 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to publicly express remorse. I don't 312 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: think you had anything to do with it, and I'll 313 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: tell you why. If you have something to do with it, 314 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: you don't get out there and start giving statements. Cooperate 315 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: with police, be open. Everybody knows who you are, where 316 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: you live, the works, unless you want to be disproved 317 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: now true, all husbands that killed their wives say I 318 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: didn't do it. Think is rue Peterson. But this guy, 319 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: I just don't think that fiance had anything to do 320 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: with it. Could you explain to me, Larry Mayher, how 321 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: has this ended up in claims of a police cover up? 322 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: That's a proclaim that it is being made by the 323 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: young man's attorney. Um Rachel Deltondo had told a reporter 324 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: recently and had told police recently that she had been 325 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: getting death threats and that one of those threats promise 326 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: that she would not live to see the end of 327 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: this year. Now. Sheldon Cheaters lawyer claims that Deltondo was 328 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: preparing to testify before a grand jury in front of 329 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: an investigation into one of the entities under investigation in 330 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: l equip A, Pennsylvani Okay wait wait wait wait wait wait, okay, 331 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: she's gonna be She was set to be a witness 332 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: in a police matter. What did it have to do 333 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: with leaking that police report? You think that's possible although 334 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: the state police we're handling that inquiry the last night, right, 335 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: no of it. Um. The school that she taught at 336 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: has been under repeated grand jury investigation, so perhaps it 337 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: was involved with the school for what why is the 338 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: school under investigator been questions about its financial transactions and 339 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: it's accounting for taxpayer money. It's a charter school. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, 340 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: wait a man it wait a minute. Okay, Wendy Patrick, 341 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: are you hearing this? Absolutely? You know it's uh the 342 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: plot it continues to thicken each time we learned a 343 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: little more about this case. But what we're hearing is 344 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like a number are of possible different types 345 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: of motives for the murder. Okay, let me recap, Wendy. 346 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: So you've got the fiancee, who I don't think anything 347 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: to do with it, but he's apparently still stewing in 348 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: the pot with everybody else um as a potential person 349 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: of interest but I say he's clear. Then you've got 350 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: the boy, the teen boy that was in the car 351 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: with her and his family. They have not been named 352 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: suspector p o I person of interest. Now you've got 353 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: the police force, who leaks somebody with police force access 354 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: released this police report to the media, to the fiancee, 355 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: to all of her friends. That was that was mean, 356 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: That was downright dastardly. Now we are learning from Larry 357 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Mayher her school was under investigation for potential mismanagement of 358 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: their taxpayers money and they have been part of a 359 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: grand jury investigation. WHOA. Then we hear she's been getting 360 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: death threats? Who knew all this is going down in 361 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: al Equippa As a matter of fact, Take a listen 362 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: to the lawyer. Yes, he's lawyered up for the teen boy. 363 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: They continued that relationship. I think it cooled for a while, 364 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: um and but but the relationship never ended. She was 365 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: due to testify in front of the grand jury which 366 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: has been investigating all Equippa among other entities, and she 367 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: was afraid. And we find it far from a coincidence 368 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: that she was murdered within days of having to testify. 369 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: This was not a crime of passion. I believe it's 370 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: a crime of a cover up, good gravy. And now 371 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: just coming to light two new facts. A second search 372 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: warrant has just been served, and there's news that Jeter, 373 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: the teen student older brother or Shawn Bolton, has been 374 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: in a serious relationship their words, not mine, a serious 375 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: relationship Will del Tondo. Since December, police are saying they've 376 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: served a second search warrant at the home of Sheldon 377 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: g Ater Jr. And, according to the search warrant, investigators 378 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: comb through the home for clothes he may have worn 379 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: the night of the murder and guns, specifically nine millimeter 380 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: that's interesting. The search warrant also says cops wanted cell phones, laptops, tablets, 381 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: video game systems, any written notes to or from the victim, 382 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: the teacher, Rachel Deltondo. Now sources say the affidavit that 383 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: goes along with the search warrant also contains a witness testimony, 384 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: and that testimony describes a an argument a verbal fight 385 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: between the teacher, Rachel and Jeter, which happened last year. 386 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: Bolton told police about three months ago, he and Deltondo 387 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: were outside his home when Sheldon shows up and reportedly 388 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: says that Blank told me she was with Amy, and 389 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: then to Deltondo, if my brother wasn't here, I f 390 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: you up. And as we go to air, we learn 391 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: a new search warrant has just been issued for guess 392 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: who a police officer wife Facebook account. That warrant now 393 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: part of the investigation and into Rachel del Tondo's mysterious murder. Okay, so, 394 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: Ashley wilcot Way in now a CoP's wife's Facebook account. Yes, Nancy, 395 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: what a tangled web, because keep this in mind. This 396 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: is the same officer whose daughter was out with the 397 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: victim when she went to get ice cream, and the 398 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: same officer who's on administrative leave because allegedly um couldn't 399 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: be involved in that investigation. But also they are saying 400 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: allegedly there's some misconduct accusations against the police department. Well, 401 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: that was certainly mouthful. Let me just say Shakespeare said 402 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: it best. Oh what a tangled web we weave when 403 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: first we practice to deceive. That's not about the cops wife. 404 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: That's about this whole kit in kiboodle. Everywhere you turn 405 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: there is a potential person of interest. But this is 406 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: what I know. She gets ten thousand dollar wedding dress 407 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: and pretty soon after she's dead the driveway. Man, I 408 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: need a float chart for this, Okay, Karen Smith, our 409 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: forensics expert, renowned forensics expert, Karen, I need you now 410 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: because the way she was shot. And I'm not a 411 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory nut at all. I don't think people can 412 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: keep their pie holes shut, but the way she was 413 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: shot suggests to me there was someone lying in wait, 414 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: and they did not waste a bullet. And what I 415 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: mean by that it was a very good marksman. Karen Smith, 416 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about ballistics amidst a police or government cover up. 417 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: Tell me what you've learned from the forensics evidence, Karen's Nancy, 418 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: you'd be right. The victim in this case, Rachel del Tondo, 419 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: was struck ten times in the chest. Now think about 420 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: that for a second. That is a very tight grouping 421 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of rounds coming out of a gun. 422 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: That also tells me that it's probably a semi automatic. 423 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: It also tells me that the shooter was definitely lying 424 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: in waite an ambush, waiting for her to come home 425 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: to her parents driveway. So they knew where she lived, 426 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: they knew that she would probably be home soon, they 427 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: knew that she was gone, and they came up to her. Now, 428 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: she was shot in the chest, not in the back, 429 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: not in the shoulder, not in the leg, in the chest, 430 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: which means she was facing the shooter when the bullets 431 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: came flying. So that tells me a either the shooter 432 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: is a crack shot or the shooter was very close 433 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: to her when all those rounds a leashed the case. 434 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: Things were likely left at the scene, and there's your forensics. 435 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: You swab those casings for DNA. You can submit them 436 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: for prints, which is you know that's a hit or miss? 437 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Uh not. You don't normally get prints from from casings, 438 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: but DNA oh bing bam boom. Yeah, we'll find out 439 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: who fired that gun soon as soon as that DNA 440 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: comes back and they have something to compare it to. 441 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: What is disturbing to make that would suggest and I'm 442 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: not going with a professional hit right now, I'm just 443 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: just not is the tight grouping of the bullet wounds, 444 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: because that means somebody has the calm, cool demeanor to 445 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: walk up and cheat her ten times in the chest, 446 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: make every shot, and get away without anyone that seeing 447 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: the getaway car. Were they on foot? Also, this suggests 448 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: they knew where she was going and knew when she 449 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: would come back. Why is that was the trip orchestrated? 450 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: That brings in the people that were with her as 451 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: a potential involvement. Do I think they were involved? No, 452 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I really do not think that a police 453 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: sergeant's daughter and the brother of her boy her HER's 454 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: boy student friend had anything to do with her murder. 455 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: But that pulls them into the investigation because they took 456 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: her to the ice cream shop. She came home and 457 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: somebody was waiting there for her to get home. Now, 458 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the police, all right. Let me 459 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: go back to you, Larry Mayher with me on this. 460 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: The City of all Equippa Bureau of Police has now 461 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: sought access to the boys student Jeter Sheldon Jeter's iPhone, 462 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: his call records and the geolocation data. Why why do 463 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: they want this information from the boy? Not only that, 464 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: remember the bride Deltando was picked up by a female 465 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: friend who happens to be the daughter of an all 466 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Equippa police Sar Argent Kenneth Watkins around eight p m. 467 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: That night. He has now been placed on administrative leave 468 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: by the Chief of Police because his daughter is a 469 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: minor and is not being named. Is involved as a 470 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: witness on the case. Oh what a tangled web we weave. 471 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, judge, lawyer, founder of Child Crime Watch dot com. 472 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: Way in, there's intrigue, it is, there's so much intrigue. 473 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: So bottom line, our heartbreaks for a victim who's been 474 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: gunned down, but we now have three potential suspects, and 475 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: I like that we're learning the evidence as it's coming 476 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: out because it means that the police are investigating. So 477 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: we have a dressmaker who's mad about a refund. We 478 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: have a seventeen year old victim, and I say victim 479 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: because steamed up windows, car off found with an adult. 480 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: That's a victim who's now twenty, who's brother was with 481 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: her at the ice cream shot before she gets done 482 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: gunned down. And then we have an alleged cover up 483 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: and she's supposed to testify, and we just heard from 484 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: a forensics expert of the type of shots that killed 485 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: this woman, and that to me means perhaps it was 486 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: a police officer law enforcement who killed her. So so 487 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: we have three different potential sets of suspects in this case. 488 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Huge to me is going to be the digital footprint. 489 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, as a judge, Nancy, I see 490 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: this all the time. People think they can get away 491 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: with a crime this day and age. The digital footprint 492 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: gives so much information and literally catch us criminals. Wow, 493 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: that was a mouthful, and every single word you said 494 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: was right. Although I'm not ready to indict the police. 495 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: G for the police yet as being part of this, 496 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: although we know this police report was was leaked to 497 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: destroy Rachiel Deltondo by someone that had access to police 498 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: data and police um computers or software. Guys, now I 499 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the Beaver 500 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: County District Attorney. We're getting video cameras, we we we 501 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: are downloading information, we are interviewing witnesses. We are doing 502 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: everything we can investigating everyone that was driving around al 503 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: Equippa that night that was anywhere near this young lady's house. 504 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: So you know, before I point the finger at the 505 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: boy or his family, this could just be s o 506 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: P standard operating procedure. So back to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, 507 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows Hit series. Dr Brian, again, 508 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So the plot thickens. 509 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Now we know they have the state has subpoenaed the 510 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: boys cell phone records. Now listen to this, Dr Brian. 511 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm setting up for a question. The search warrant we have, 512 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: we have obtained. We got ahold of the affidavit to 513 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: support that search warrant, and it says that she Rachel 514 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: the bride and Watkins, the daughter of the police sergeant 515 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: who has now been put on paid leave, went to 516 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: a Circle K convenience store. They visited a friend, then 517 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: they went to Rachel's parents home at nine twenty so 518 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: she could change clothes. Why is she changing clothes? Okay? 519 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, the two women leave in watkins car 520 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: that's the police sergeant daughter. They pick up Tyree Jeter 521 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: that is the student's brother, and then they drive to 522 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: Hank's custard that's ice cream shop according to the warrant 523 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: that we've gotten hold of. An hour later, the sergeant's 524 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: daughter drives them back to Deltondo's home, dropping her off 525 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: and driving off with the student's brother. Dr Brian Russell, 526 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist. Before we point the finger at the 527 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: boys student because we know they have subpoena his cell 528 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: phone records and GEO data, I A. Where was his 529 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: phone at night? That standard operating procedure. That doesn't mean 530 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: he has anything to do with this, right, That's right. 531 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me what we have here is a 532 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: young male who was with this murder victim shortly before 533 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: the murder, and it makes total sense that law enforcement 534 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: would want to look into him, but we don't have 535 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: any reason to think that he or his brother, who 536 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 1: is the team that apparently was found with the victim 537 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: many months earlier in this steamed up car but never 538 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: resulted in any kind of charges or anything. There's no 539 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: reason for us to believe that either one of them 540 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: had anything against her, And it doesn't really seem to me. 541 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you. The fiance, although I completely understand 542 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: why he would have broken off the wedding after the 543 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: incident in which she was found with this young kid 544 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: in the car, doesn't strike me as behaving like a 545 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: murderous fiance. That the guy that was the dressmaker doesn't 546 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: sound like he's got enough of a motive. And really, 547 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like anybody on the police force would 548 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: have been in facing enough trouble for having leaked a 549 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: police report about this woman to have murdered her. It 550 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: sounds to me like somebody had a deep interpersonal grudge 551 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: against this woman, got right up close to her, is 552 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: probably why they were able to hit her so many times, 553 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: wanted to look into her face as they murdered her. 554 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: And what we know about this woman is she's apparently 555 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: if if nothing else, we know she had an active 556 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: social life. There may be some guy out there that 557 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: had a grudge against her, thought that she had jilted 558 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: him somehow. That's totally unrelated to any of these guys 559 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: were talking about. Well, listen to this, DOTR Brian, listen 560 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: to this, Larry Mayer, tell me if this is correct? 561 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: All right now, So she's caught in the car with 562 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: this teen boy. After that police report is lee by somebody, 563 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: the boy, Jeter and Rachel continue their relationship. They remain friendly, 564 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: all right. The lawyer says. Rachel disclosed to the boy 565 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: she was an informant in an ongoing investigation of the 566 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: al Equippa Police Department. Also, she had been preparing to 567 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: testify before a grand jury in a couple of days 568 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: regarding we think misuse of funds. We also know that, 569 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: in addition to a search warrant for the boy's phone, 570 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: the search warrant also lists a pair of khaki pants, shoes, 571 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: a wind breaker, and a hat. Those items are marked 572 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: with a note that says they were collected by consent. 573 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: In other words, I guess the boy just handed them over. 574 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Are those facts correct? 575 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: As far as I know? That's that is the statement 576 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: of facts from Sheldon Cheater's attorney. I don't know that 577 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: there has been any independent in um confirmation of those facts. 578 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: Got it so that that gives me a whole list 579 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: of potential suspects Ashley Wilcott. And there's one other fact 580 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: that I want to point out just because it's intriguing 581 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: and interesting to me, and that is again it was 582 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: the sergeant. The police sergeant's daughter was with this victim 583 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: when they went to get ice cream before she was 584 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: gunned down. I'm not saying there's a connection or not. 585 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's a fact that has to be 586 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: looked into because the list of suspects frankly seems to 587 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: be growing. Take a listen to what the Beaver County 588 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: District Attorney, David Loser says. It's very sad. You have 589 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: a very quiet and very quaint neighborhood where this tragedy happened. 590 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: We obviously regret this at parati sivities for the families. 591 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: The Alcuba name gets the out there are a lot 592 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: and it should not. This was a very nice, quiet 593 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: neighborhood and to have this invade any family is said. 594 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: We're working hard to solve this problem together. The police 595 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: departments of you kind of worked very well together. We'll 596 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: let's notice as we have one. It's shameful that this 597 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: woman was painted with the with the police report that 598 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: had been written that did not result in criminal charges. 599 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: It was a personal vendetta against her at the time. 600 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: Tipline seven two four seven seven four two thousand, seven 601 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: two four seven seven four two thousand. 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Truth Finder helps Americans reunite with friends, family, 620 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: even people who served with them in the military. It's 621 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: never been so easy to find the truth. Go to 622 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: truth finder dot com slash Nancy and enter any name 623 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: to get started. You know, we've just come off Mother's Day, 624 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: and you know, you think back, who was there when 625 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: you were sick? Your mother? Who did you run to 626 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: when you skin your neat your mother? Who was always there? 627 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: Your mother? That's why it's so difficult for me to 628 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: to read this next heading. I told some mother stabs 629 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: her daughter fifty to seventy times with a pick axe 630 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: and then sets the home on fire and flees the 631 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: scene with the youngest of her three daughters. To look 632 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: at this woman, she looks like a soccer mom with 633 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 1: beautiful woman. You'd think everything was perfect in their home. 634 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: She had an eleven year old daughter, an eight year 635 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: old daughter, a younger daughter who we think was seven. 636 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: But why take a listen to what police say who 637 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: come to the Saint TPT was called to this location 638 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: and reference, uh, two different things. We had a house 639 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: on fire and we had an eleven year old who 640 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: had been stabbed multiple times. Um. A witness, the nine 641 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: year old sibling of the eleven year old, stated that 642 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: earlier in the evening that the mother had duct taped 643 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: their hands, but socks in their mouths and then began 644 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: stabbing the eleven year old. At that time, the nine 645 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: year old and her seven year old sister exited the residence. 646 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: The seven year old helped the nine year old leave. 647 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: The nine year old went to a relative house a 648 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: couple of houses down, and when they got to this house, 649 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: the kitchen was on fire and the eleven year old 650 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: was in critical condition. Um, she has been transported to 651 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: the hospital. The eleven year old. Yes, the mother and 652 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: the seven year old child we're missing from this location. 653 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: And what condition is the eleven year old in? The 654 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: eleven year olds in critical condition? She was stabbed so 655 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: many times the officers and on seeing you know, could 656 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: even count them. Um, what about timeline? At first, they 657 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: had told us that the victim had been in there 658 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: for over an hour yes, So the nine year old 659 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: was duct taped, so it took her a good portion 660 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: about an hour to get down to the family's house 661 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: to get help. The police saying that the little girl 662 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: was stabbed so many times the officers could not count them. Now, 663 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: according to police reports we have obtained, mommy was angry 664 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: with her children because of the way they were reading 665 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: and looking at her. She bound and gagged her three daughters. 666 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,479 Speaker 1: Was she planning to burn the house down with them 667 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: all in it? With me? Now? Crime Stories investigative reporter 668 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: John Limble, Let's just start at the beginning. What happened Nancy. 669 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: The picture we have so far up to Heira Ahmad 670 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: is of a single mother of at least three children 671 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: that lived with her in Tulsa, Oklahoma, although there are 672 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: reports of at least two sons that had been sent 673 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: to live with the grandmother to here. I had recently 674 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 1: moved to Oklahoma from Tennessee. From what we understand to hear, 675 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: his husband stayed behind in Tennessee. We're still looking into 676 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: the specifics of their relationship, but we do know that 677 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: there was a restraining order against the husband. Now here 678 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: are some other details. Since moving to Tulsa. To hear, 679 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: I had been working two jobs to make ends meet. 680 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: The family of four. The mom and three girls lived 681 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: in a one story brick house along Mohawk Boulevard in Tulsa. 682 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: Pictures of the home show a modest, one story cape 683 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: cod a front lawn overgrown with weeds, surrounded by a 684 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: chain link fence, sort of messy toys and other items 685 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: strown across the yard. To the police say they had 686 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: no record of any child abuse or domestic violence issues 687 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: at the house. However, family members have told police officers 688 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: that there have been some issues talked about with the 689 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: family that to hear ahead, uh an anger problem. Well 690 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold 691 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: on to ash, she willcott. Uh you have three children, Uh, 692 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, I'm trying to get children for you. But 693 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: you won't go ahead and pot the question to that 694 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: woman you've been dating. But that's another cannon worms I'll 695 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: deal with later. Everybody else. I'm not gonna even get 696 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: into your family situation. But she's got three girls here 697 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: in the home that she's the single mom working to support. 698 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: You've got the two sons. So at her young age, 699 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: she's in her thirty story had five children. The sons 700 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: are back home in Tennessee. When the neighbors are saying 701 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: that she had a lot of anger, I guess she 702 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: did have a lot anger, right, sure, But but listen, 703 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: it's not about having anger. We all have anger at 704 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: different things. It's about the level of anger and what 705 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: people did about noticing she had anger issues. So did 706 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: it rise to the level of someone should have reported it? 707 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: I would submit that this kind of crime doesn't happen 708 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: because you just get angry because you're exhausted, single mom, 709 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: working all those things that can go along. This kind 710 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: of crime happens because it's not just an anger issue, 711 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: you know. Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation 712 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: discoveries hit show Fatal Vows. I agree, because when I'm 713 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: exhausted and I've been working, I'm trying to make dinner 714 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: and everything else that goes with raising children, I may 715 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: be short or curt or just very quiet because I'm tired. 716 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: But this is you cannot attribute an attack like this 717 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: on your child to the normal pressures of parenthood or 718 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: motherhood or single motherhood. That's absolutely right. I think most 719 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: people are probably listening to this and thinking there's got 720 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: to be a profound mental illness element to this case. 721 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: Here you go, no, no, no, no, don't you're jumping 722 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: ahead of me. I think most people are listening to 723 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: us thinking that. And while this certainly does not sound 724 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: like a mentally healthy woman to me, it's always important 725 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: to look when you're looking to see if somebody's actions 726 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: are the product of conscious choices or mental illness. One 727 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: of the things that you always have to look at 728 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: is are they doing anything to cover up the behavior, 729 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: to evade captured detection, to hide evidence, hide themselves, or 730 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: anything like that that would suggest consciousness of guilt, that 731 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing is wrong. Because if that's 732 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: the mentally ill or not, they're responsible. And this woman did, 733 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: she fled, She hid all kinds of consciousness of guilt. 734 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, they knowledge of guilt, the indication of 735 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: guilty conscience. By tying up the children, by trying to 736 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: burn the evidence of stabbing the one daughter so many 737 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: times cops couldn't figure out how many. By taking the 738 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: other on the run in her suv, that shows consciousness 739 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: of guilt to me, flight, Yeah, you know, each of 740 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: you have brought up such interesting points, the consciousness of 741 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: guilt being the flight, the fact that apparently she still 742 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: knows right from wrong, which flies in the face of 743 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: some mental defenses. Uh. But you know another point that 744 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,479 Speaker 1: several of you have made, um Ashley says she wants 745 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: to know more about the anger that somebody predicted this. 746 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: But this type of thing, Nancy, is a combination of 747 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: provocation and predisposition. In other words, all the things you said. 748 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: There are many single mothers, no doubt listening, that have 749 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: the same schedule as you described, working two jobs, making 750 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: dinner for the kids, trying to do it all, and 751 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: would never in a million years even consider using any 752 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: type of violence, much less something like this. So it's 753 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: the what else is going on here which is going 754 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 1: to make the difference between what kind of a defense 755 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: is ultimately mounted and then of course whether or not 756 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: that's successful in court. You know, another question is how 757 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: in the world did she manage to go on the 758 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: run and elude police. But before we leave the scene 759 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,720 Speaker 1: of the crime with me is a world renowned forensics expert, 760 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: Karen Smith. Karen, what would you be looking for at 761 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: the scene, And I'm talking about the primary scene. We've 762 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: got a primary, secondary and a tertiary crime scene. Here, Karen, 763 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 1: inside the home, what would you be looking for? What clues? 764 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: I would start in the kitchen where the eleven year 765 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: old was found. According to report, there was blood on 766 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: the furniture, blood on the floor. If this child was 767 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: bound and gagged, bound with duct tape and gagged with 768 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: a sock in her mouth, she is utterly defenseless, which 769 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 1: tells me that this is a very highly volatile and 770 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,240 Speaker 1: highly mobile crime scene. It didn't just happen in the kitchen. 771 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: It happened in other areas of the house. And I 772 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 1: cannot imagine anyone, let alone an eleven year old going 773 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: through fifty seventies stab wounds. That's indicative to me as 774 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: a form of pikeriism, which is using a sharp instrument 775 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: to poke at someone. Uh, not just full on stab wounds, 776 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,760 Speaker 1: but other ways of of eliciting torture or a form 777 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: of punishment. And by all intents and purposes, from what 778 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: I've heard, that is what this woman was doing, was 779 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: punishing these girls for reading incorrectly and the way they 780 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 1: were looking at her. Another thing I would be looking for, 781 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they they may have been 782 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: focusing on the bloody crime scene, trying to determine exactly 783 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: what happened through forensics. But I would be interested from 784 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: another angle of evidence to determine whether the home was 785 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: well kept, whether it was filthy, whether there was food 786 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: in the fridge and the the cabinets, whether it looked 787 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: like um, the bathrooms were cleaned. Why do Why am 788 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: I saying this because to me, it would give me 789 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: a clust or her mental health. Was she keeping up 790 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: the home, was she neglecting them? Were they well fed? 791 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: I would be looking at that too, Karen, just so 792 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: I would know the state of mind. Absolutely, you opened 793 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: the cabinets and there's, uh, you know, a box of 794 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: rice Christie's that's been there for three years. And you 795 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: open the fridge and it's empty or it smells because 796 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been cleaned. The rooms are covered in filth, 797 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: the walls are covered in in you know, chocolate milk, 798 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: and god knows what it's It's a horrible, horrible situation. 799 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: So yes, you would want to look at all of 800 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: those factors, as well as the blood at the crime 801 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: scene and the location of the daughter, as well as 802 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: the location of the weapons that were apparently left behind. 803 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: I wonder, John Linley, Crime Stories investigative reporter, how this 804 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: mom got so far away in an suv with a 805 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: kidnapped child. So take a listen very quickly as witnesses 806 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 1: are describing what they saw, the black suv, Alex's matches, 807 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,280 Speaker 1: the description, the ambrell or the little growth, miranda orange 808 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: peach dress, poofy hair like they described, and we're they 809 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: are called this is called just to be safe, you know, 810 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: even if it's not like she seemed happy, like she's 811 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: scared about anything. She was playing and just kind of 812 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: like being a little kid. She was staying episode in 813 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: the summer if she was climbing out and the woman 814 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: was just laying down in the backseat. So, John Linley, 815 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how she managed to a Loui police, 816 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: But where was she ultimately found. She was in the 817 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: Arts district of Tulsa in a parking lot. And this 818 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: is where these two women that had the sense of 819 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: mind to call police. They had seen the amber alert 820 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: and so they made sure they called nine one one immediately. 821 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: And the scene that they're describing, we have a glimpse 822 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: of this thanks to a news helicopter, a camera that 823 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,800 Speaker 1: is shooting down on top is capturing the scene. The 824 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: little girl doesn't seem to have a care in the world. 825 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: She's she's playing and in the back seat is to 826 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: hear it, she's lying down and not only is she 827 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 1: lying down, she's asleep. Well, take a listen to what 828 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: police say about what happened in the patrol car. She 829 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: admitted to being upset with the two older children because 830 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: of the way they were reading their books, and so 831 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: she proceeded to bind their hands with the tape. She 832 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 1: admitted that she used to have the victim fifty to 833 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: sixty times what she said and get her in the 834 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: head with a gas two or three times. Right now, 835 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: believe it or not, that daughter who sustaining sixty to 836 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: seventy pickaxe wounds is in the hospital in critical condition, 837 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: but alive, and this mom is in custody. Family members 838 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: now saying the single mom snapped after losing her job 839 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,359 Speaker 1: and being prevented from attending her son's graduation, prevented by 840 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: her mother or who cares for the two boys. Listen 841 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: to Barbara al Sharif and aunt, my little niece came 842 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: running up the driveway barefoot in hysterics, saying that Auntie, Auntie, 843 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: mommy killed Sadilla. I came running in there and I 844 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: looked at her and I shouted out her name. I 845 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: told her, don't worry, We're gonna get you out of here. 846 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: That from k h r H TV. The police report 847 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: says one daughter told cops they had been held hostage 848 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: in the room without food or water for a week 849 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: before the attack. Listen to this. She was normal Friday, Saturday, 850 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: she snapped Sunday she was evil. 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