1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 3: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 3: Thank you for coming. We're on every day one to 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 3: four o'clock in the afternoon, and every day. Whatever you 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: miss you can listen to the podcast posted after the 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: show on the iHeartRadio app. It's called John Cobelt Show 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: on Demand. So we're available twenty four hours a day, 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: seven days a week, this show and all our others. 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: We are waiting, and I guess we've been waiting for 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: about an hour and twenty minutes because originally they were 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: gonna have a press conference at eleven forty five Pacific 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: time in Utah about Charlie Kirk's assassin because there is 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: now photographs of the assassin walking through areas of the 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: university Utah Valley University, presumably before he was shooting at Kirk. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: They have found an abandoned gun in the forest and 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: other evidence, and we're going to talk to Alex Stone 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: now to see what he knows and what's coming soon. 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: Hey, they're John. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought we were going to get that update 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: from the FBI and the Utah Department of Public Safety, 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: but they say that there are rapid developments in the case. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: They have reiterated that nobody is in custody. 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: It appears that Cash Pattel, the FBI director, is making 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: his way to the university to be at the next briefing, 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: so could be a delay waiting for him to get there. 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: But investigators have very clear surveillance images now of a 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: man who they believe was the shooter, a younger man, 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: longsleeved dark shirt with an American flag of some kind 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: of logo on there, wearing a hat and sunglasses as well, 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: and that they are hoping and they believe that somebody 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: in the public will be able to say I know 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: that guy and let them know who it is. They're 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: trying a number of different ways to DNA and fingerprints 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: and a palm print and a forearm print to figure 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 3: out who it is. But we are told at this 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: moment they don't know, at least publicly. They are not 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: releasing that they know. 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Today. 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: BA Mason, the head of the Utah Department of Public Safety, 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: saying this, we do have. 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: Good video footage of this individual. We are not going 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 4: to release that at this time. We were working through 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 4: some technologies and some ways to identify this individual and. 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: So they were able to track him on video. They 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: saw him arrive at the university, arrived on campus at 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: eleven fifty two am yesterday, climbed up some stairs, went 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: onto the roof of a building that was not all 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: that close. It was not the buildings right around where 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was speaking. 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: That this was quite a distance. 52 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: It would indicate that this person knew what they were 53 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: doing with that bold action rifle and with the one 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: shot being able to make it fatal. But then there 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: was the single deadly shot at twelve twenty pm. He 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: jumped down off of the building, ran into some woods. 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 4: And after the shooting we were able to track his 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: movements as he moved to the other side of the building, 59 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: jumped off of the building and fled off of the 60 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: campus and into a neighborhood. 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: And John the gun that was found, as you mentioned, 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: in the woods, but it was covered in a towel. 63 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: We now know from a number of sources there was 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: a spent cartridge still in the chamber and unspent cartridges 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: that we are told this afternoon had wording on them 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: that some law enforcement has been telling us that it 67 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: appeared to have the transgender and anti fascist writing on 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: those spent cartridges or unspent cartridges, and that they're trying 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: to kind of understand the words and what they mean. 70 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: But the gun is now with the FBI. They're doing 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: DNA analysis on it. They have a shoe imprint that 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: they're working off of as well, and then the palm 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: print and the forearm prints that they're trying to link 74 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: to whoever the shooter was. 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: Suspect blended in well with a college institution, and we're 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: not releasing many details right now, and then we will soon, 77 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: but right now we're not, but that that individual appears 78 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: to be of college age. 79 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: So they're using the technology that he mentioned on the 80 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: video to idea the killer whatever technology that is of 81 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: facial recognition or other things. But they say tips have 82 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: been coming in. They've got a one hundred thousand dollars 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: reward up. They announced that about an hour or two 84 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: ago for the arrest of the shooter, and by later 85 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: on tonight maybe we'll find out that they know who 86 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: it is has of right now though they're indicating that 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: they don't know and that nobody's under arrest. Wonder why 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: cashptel is flying in it seems like he would fly 89 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: in if they were going to announce who it is 90 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: or announce that they have the guy. Maybe we understand 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: the moment that he's kind of coming in to show 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: the seriousness of how much it's being taken for the 93 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: director to be there and say, look, we're giving all resources. 94 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: But that may change as the day goes on if 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: in fact they do. Now remember he announced yesterday that 96 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: they had detained two different people of interest, He called 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: them subjects, and then had to announce a short time 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: later that both had been released and were not related 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: to this, and. 100 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: That was all very confusing. 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: Yesterday actually put out names, and now we understand from 102 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: law enforcement those two people are being harassed by people 103 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: claiming that they had something to do with it, and well, 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: what were they doing because one of them was an 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: older guy. Yeah, he was then being held for obstruction 106 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: of justice after they determined that he was not involved 107 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: in this. So something got the eye of law enforcement. 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: And the father of the second guy detained was saying today, 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: just quoting from him, it's ridiculous, it's absolutely uncalled for, 110 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: an insane He said his son was there as a 111 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: supporter of Charlie Kirk and then somehow got wound up 112 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: where they pointed at him and arrested him, and then 113 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: it was announced and his name was put out by 114 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: law enforcement, and cash Betel said that they had a 115 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: suspect in custody. So you know, that's one of those 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 3: things where then maybe wait a little bit longer before 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: I say we got somebody. That's what's tough about covering 118 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: these stories in real time as soon as they happened. 119 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 3: Because by about a quarter to four yesterday, there were 120 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: three different stories out there, one from cash Betel, one 121 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: from the governor, and one from law enforcement officials who 122 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: had a press conference, and they were all somewhat different 123 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 3: over how many suspects and whether they were being held 124 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: as suspects of the shooting or some other charges, or 125 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: whether they were released or not. 126 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: It was really hard to find. 127 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: It leads you to why law enforcement sometimes we'll say 128 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: we're not telling you that right now, where they get 129 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: all their ducks in the line and figure it out. 130 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: Where yesterday we were kind of seeing it a little 131 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: bit raw. This is a different way to run it. 132 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: And it was announced as the leadership that was gonna 133 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: speak at the news conference was walking into the and 134 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: they didn't know what he had said on social media 135 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: announcing the arrest, and they didn't even seem to know 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: about it, but seemed like maybe they didn't believe at 137 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: that moment that that was somebody who was actually going 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: to be a suspect, because they kind of hemmed and 139 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 3: hot around it and said nobody was in custody, and 140 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: then the governor said, well, there's a person of interest, 141 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: but we don't know, and then shortly thereafter Patel had 142 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: to announce that they had released him. So some of 143 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: something they want to get in line, and they were 144 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: using a different term suspect, person of interest, somebody in custody, 145 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: subject subject. Yeah, So yeah, all of that's been confusing, 146 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: and it shows kind of the new FBI right now 147 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: that this is much more raw information coming out and 148 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: not quite as as you know, where they wait to 149 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: figure everything out and then let everybody know. So we'll 150 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: see if they have something to announce tonight. We don't 151 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: know if they're even going to hold the news conference. 152 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: The one that was planned has been indefinitely postponed. We 153 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: expect in the next couple of hours and they will 154 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: hold something and at least give an update of some kind, 155 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: but we don't know yet. Oh so the one that 156 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: was supposed to run originally eleven forty five, it's at 157 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, definitely postponed. Okay, yeah, all right, not 158 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: to say in ten minutes they may not say now 159 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. We don't know what they're gonna do, right, 160 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: all right, Alex, but you'll be there. Yeah, it happens, Okay, 161 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: Alex stones Down. ABC News Coming up after Deverra's one 162 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: thirty News, We're going to talk to Rob McCoy, who 163 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: is the spiritual. 164 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: I guess the inspiration for. 165 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk because for a long time Charlie Kirk, as 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: he built his organization Turning Point USA, it was more 167 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: of a secular organization, trying to get college students and 168 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: others interested in political issues and debating political issues. And 169 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: then a few years ago Kirk met with Rob McCoy, 170 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: who has a church locally here and in newbury Park, 171 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: and he got Charlie to mix religion with politics. McCoy's 172 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: church is God Speak Calvary Chapel in newbury Park, and 173 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: McCoy is with Kirk's family in Arizona. As I understand it, 174 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: So we are going to and they also founded an 175 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: as sister organization, Turning Point USA Faith. So Pastor Rob 176 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: McCoy very close with Charlie Kirk and the kirk Or family, 177 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 3: and we are going to talk to him in about 178 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. And one of the things I want to 179 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: follow up on that Alex Stone mentioned was this ammunition. 180 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: They found some unspent cartridges in the woods along with 181 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: the rifle. It was inside the rifle and carr engraved 182 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: on it. On the bullets were expressions of transgender and 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 3: anti fascist ideology. 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 185 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk about this because it was I had 186 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: a weird little instinct yesterday and I actually set it 187 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: on the air, and we're going to play you back 188 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: a clip from yesterday's show and play you the exact 189 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: moment right up to the right up to the second 190 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: where the bullet strikes. Because Kirk and one of the 191 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: attendees were involved in a specific conversation that is related 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: to what was engraved on the bullet and engraved to 193 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 3: what we were talking about here yesterday. We'll tell you 194 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: all about it next. 195 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on Demand from KFI AM 196 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: six forty. 197 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: We're out every day one until four and after four 198 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 3: o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand. In about fifteen minutes, 199 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: we're going to have Pastor Rob McCoy on from Godspeak, 200 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Cavalry Chapel in Newbury Park. Pastor McCoy was Charlie Kirk's 201 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: spiritual advisor. They met some years ago and Pastor McCoy 202 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: ended up convincing Charlie Kirk to start incorporating some of 203 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: his religious beliefs into his presentations as he toured colleges 204 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: around the country and it went over really well. We're 205 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: going to talk to Pastor McCoy because he has been 206 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: with the family ever since the shooting. I believe they're 207 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: in Arizona now. He's coming on after Deborah's News about 208 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: one thirty five or so, so you want to listen 209 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: to that, all right, So yesterday when the shooting happened, 210 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: there was a specific moment where it happened, and I'm 211 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: it has got three short parts to it, and play 212 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: the first part this is I'm gonna play cut five first. 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: This is what Charlie Kirk and one of the attendees 214 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: we're discussing you know, the attendees are allowed to come 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: up to a microphone in front of Kirk who's sitting 216 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: on stage, and they can ask him anything or bring 217 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: up any issue and Kirk will respond. And so there's 218 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: nothing out of the ordinary. And you're going to hear 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: the shot at the end. No, we're not going to 220 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: hear the shot. Okay, you're just going to hear the exchange. 221 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: And we just don't want to play the shot or 222 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: any any of the other screaming and trauma because the 223 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: words here are important. What were they talking about when 224 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: the shot rang out? 225 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: So? 226 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass 227 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: shooters over the last eighty years? 228 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: Too many time? Okay, now mine is a long right, 229 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna. 230 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: Give you his credit. Do you know how many maschers 231 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: there have been in America over the last ten years. 232 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: Accounting or not counting gang violence? 233 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: Great, and then the shot rang out and that was 234 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: unfortunately it for Charlie Kirk. But it was a transgender question. 235 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: How many transgender shooters? And you could see the point 236 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: that Sky was trying to make. I assume he was 237 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: going to get to that it's a tiny percentage of 238 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: all the shootings that go on. So yesterday, after I 239 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: heard the clip, I wondered about something, and we actually 240 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: posted this little piece on Instagram. It was, you know, 241 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: our daily promo for the podcast, and I saw some 242 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: people said, geez, you sound like Alex Jones. 243 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: Well this is me yesterday. 244 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a coincidence that Kirk 245 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: was killed while he was having the exchange on transgenderism 246 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: with the audience member, or if. 247 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: That's what caused the shooter to pull the trigger. 248 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: There's no way to know that, no doubt this was 249 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:23,239 Speaker 3: a politically motivated killing, a hatred of what Kirk represents, 250 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: a message to Trump because Kirk was so high up 251 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: in the Trump hierarchy as an outside advisor and so 252 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: responsible for getting young people to come out and vote 253 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: for Trump. And you know, Trump already was targeted twice 254 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: just last year. There's a lot of insanity going on. 255 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: It was just a flicker of a thought I had 256 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: in my head because it was such a well timed 257 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: shot right at the end of Kirk's statement regarding the 258 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: transgender killers. And then part three, this popped up in 259 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. You heard Alex Stone allude to it. 260 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: Don't have much more than what they reported. Investigators found 261 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and anti fascist ideology 262 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: inside the rifle that they believe was used in the 263 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: shooting of Charlie Kirk. This is according to an internal 264 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation. 265 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: So you had these. 266 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: Unspent cartridges inside the rifle, and if you look at 267 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: the engraving, at least one of the cartridges, the message 268 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: was about transgenderism. Because what I wondered yesterday was if 269 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: this was a transgender activist and he knew Kirk would 270 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: always talk about it at each one of his appearances. 271 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: Was he waiting for the moment that it came up 272 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: and then the shooter was going to give his response 273 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: to Kirk's opinions? Or I wondered, was the questioner part 274 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: of it? That was the cue be ready? Because that 275 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: exchange took about what did it take? Twenty two seconds? 276 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: So the questioner brings it up, and now the shooter knows, okay, 277 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: I got maybe fifteen twenty seconds to pull this off. 278 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: There was something about the timing of it that just bugby, 279 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: and I understand some people thought I'd gone off on 280 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: off the conspiracy cliff. But what can I tell you? 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: Thoughts occurred to me and sometimes I share them here, 282 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: and I still I think even more now there's something 283 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: to it, engraved with transgender and anti fascist ideology. And 284 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: then I flashed back to Luigi MANNGIONI remember he his 285 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: bullets were engraved with a message for that healthcare executive 286 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: that he murdered on the streets of New York City. 287 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: It was a play on the title of a book 288 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: about how unfair insurance companies treat their customers. And I 289 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: think it was like denied delay and a third word 290 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: that starts with D and that's what was written on 291 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: the bullet or the cartridge. And now, so is this 292 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: some wacky new trend. Well, we may find out later 293 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: today when we come back. We're going to talk to 294 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's spiritual advisor from Ventura County, the Godspeak Calvary 295 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: Chapel in Newbury Park. He convinced Charlie Kirk to start 296 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: in infusing his political appearances with some religion and it 297 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: became quite a powerful combination. And McCoy is with the 298 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: Kirk family in Arizona. Right now, we'll talk to Pastor 299 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: Rob McCoy coming up next. 300 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A six. 301 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: Forty Welcome on every day from one until four o'clock 302 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: and we have a special guest to come on now. 303 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: Pastor Rob McCoy was Charlie Kirk's spiritual advisor and he 304 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: is at the God Speak Cavalry Chapel in Newbury Park. 305 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 3: That's where he has his church. At the moment, he's 306 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: in Arizona with Charlie Kirk's family, the wife and the 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: children and everyone else. It's a very difficult time and 308 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: we really appreciate Pastor Rob McCoy coming on with us. Pastor, welcome, 309 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: How are you, thanks, John. 310 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Well, all things considered doing pretty good? 311 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean talk about your relationship with Charlie 312 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: Kirk and what. 313 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: He was like. 314 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: I know his faith was obviously paramount in his life, 315 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: sent to everything that he believed in, everything he talked about. 316 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: Why'd you describe your relationship with him? 317 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Sure, gentlemen, and you're hitting the nail on the head 318 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: that his faith was central to all he was about. 319 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: I met Charlie back in what April twenty nineteen. We 320 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: were at a conference and I was coming off from 321 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: speaking and he looked at me. And the only reason 322 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: why I knew him is because my son was a 323 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: big fan and I wasn't a social media follower. And 324 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: he said, I didn't know a guy like you existed. 325 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: And I said, what's that? And he said a pastor 326 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: in politics. Because at the time I was pastoring, but 327 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: I was also on the city council on Thousand Oaks. 328 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: And I said I didn't know a guy like you existed. 329 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: And he said what's that? And I said a young 330 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: conservative And we both laughed and became friends. And I said, 331 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, why don't you come and speak at our church? 332 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: He says, I don't speak in churches. I said, why 333 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: is that, Charlie. He said, because churches don't want me. 334 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm too political. And I said, Charlie, politics is the highest. 335 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: Form of community. 336 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: It combines morale, associability. If God didn't want us to 337 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: be in politics, he would have never invented marriage. You 338 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: need to be in a church. And so i've since then, 339 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: I've seen him speak in person, probably over five hundred times. 340 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: I'd never seen him nervous until that morning, that Sunday morning, 341 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: he was scared to death and it was one of 342 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: the best sermons I've ever heard. And since then he's 343 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: probably spoken to in over a thousand churches across the country, 344 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: and together we started what's called Turning Point Faith and 345 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: that has over four thousand partner churches. And the idea is, 346 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: you know that the misunderstanding that you know here we're 347 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: coming up to our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary or 348 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: birthday of a nation. And it wasn't until maybe fifty 349 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: years ago that they took the first sixteen words of 350 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: the First Amendment and they flipped it and they didn't 351 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: say freedom of religion. They made freedom from religion. And 352 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: then secular progressivism comes in and we got the mess 353 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: we're in today. Charlie, Charlie was a phenom. He took 354 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: this on at seventeen, created the largest conservative youth movement 355 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: in the world, let alone America. I was four days ago. 356 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: I was with him in Korea. In that country under 357 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: this new president, Lee is is raiding churches and Charlie 358 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: stood with him and one pastor was arrested and he 359 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: was getting ready on today's show to defend him prior 360 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: to being murdered. And here we all are in mourning, 361 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: but we're not in despair. Charlie. Charlie inspired the entire 362 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: generation young people, and that coward who murdered him, he 363 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: just hit the hornet's nest. These young kids are they're 364 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: going to arise. They just created a mob. But it's 365 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: a mob of Western civilization, preserving and advancing. And I 366 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: miss him, but I know where he is. I have 367 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: no despair, it's we have hope. 368 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: So and you're with the family now. 369 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So my wife and I heard the news. We 370 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: jumped on a plane headed to Salt Lake. We were 371 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: with the family last night. And then as we were departing, 372 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: they're coming back with the Vice President getting ready to land. 373 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Shortly we had landed ahead of them, and I'm taking 374 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: a call with you. Guys. 375 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: He credited you with combining is Christianity with his political beliefs, 376 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: as you were talking about a couple of minutes ago. 377 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: That's when he started creating like a combination message, because 378 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: Turning Point was primarily a secular message until you two 379 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: got together, and then he started creating a mixture of 380 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: the two religion and politics. 381 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: Andie Charlie was a phenom. He was an autodidac self taught. 382 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: He didn't go to college, but he could run circles 383 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: around professors and debate. He was a voracious reader. I 384 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: just reminded him of America's history. You know, it used 385 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: to be the pulpits in America. You go there for 386 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: your basically voter guide, and you know the first sixteen 387 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: words of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law 388 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise 389 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: there of. No government's going to get in the way 390 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: of man worshiping God. And if you think you're supposed 391 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: to check your convictions at the door as a citizen 392 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: before you can participate in any type of election, that's 393 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: not what the founders intended. They believed in a separation 394 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: of church and state. They wanted the state out of 395 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: the church, But you can't remove the church out of 396 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: the state. Meaning I am who I am, and I 397 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: worship who I worship, and those convictions are going to 398 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: dict how I operate as a citizen. And Charlie saw 399 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: that connection, and through Hillsdale College and a number of 400 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: other things, it reignited because he had been raised in 401 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: a generation of churches that you know, pastors say, look, 402 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't don't. I don't do politics. Politics is dirty. 403 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: I just preach the gospel. And I told Charlie, I go, 404 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: that's gnosticism. You somehow, you know, it's moral pietism, that 405 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: you're too pure to participate in the blood sport of politics, 406 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: even though we're to contend for you know, our neighbor. 407 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: And for one of these young ones to stumble, would 408 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: be better for you to have a millstone tied around 409 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: your neck and cast and devasotion's he's contending for youth 410 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: across the country with pulpits. Wouldn't they just say, I 411 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: preached the gospel and they say politics is dirty, and 412 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: I go, Charlie. My response to pastors like that is, 413 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: so's the church. What's your point? And if they say, look, 414 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: we're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. 415 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: Only if Jesus is running for office, will you ever 416 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: not be voting for the lesser of two evils? We're 417 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: supposed to contend for that. And within two days he 418 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: had devoured every early sermon from you know, the Eastern 419 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: seaboard during the War of Independence, including Jonathan Mayhew, and 420 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: he had read them all, and he just was running 421 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: circles around me historically, and I was blown away, and 422 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: it just it transformed him. So from there on out, 423 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: even with all of his campus events, he would boldly 424 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: share about the Lord because he saw that they were interconnected. 425 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: And was he ever afraid? 426 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 3: I mean, he got any of death threats over the years, 427 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: a lot of harsh criticism, especially with the way the 428 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: internet and social media is, it's quite vile. Did that 429 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: bother him, restrain him at all? Scare him at all? 430 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: You know? 431 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: I was asked for a comment on that, and I 432 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: don't recall my exact words, but I did say that 433 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: Charlie built the largest conservative youth movement in the world 434 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: with nothing more than the power of the spoken word, 435 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: with truth and logic, and he was threatened every day, 436 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: and he never used violence. He never asked for violence. 437 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: He used words. But he was threatened every day by 438 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: those who couldn't contend with logic and reason. They threatened 439 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to kill him every day, and he got up every 440 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: day not afraid of death because he trusted in his 441 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Savior and he knew that his heart was secure in 442 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: the Lord, and he didn't fear death, And so he 443 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: get up every day and contend for truth and a 444 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: cowardice murderer. And that's what evil does. Evil takes life. 445 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: Charlie defended life, and evil mutilates children. Charlie contended for 446 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: the he's you know in jumaine hormone blockers that you 447 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: won't even give the serial rapists in prison, but you 448 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: can give him to our fifteen year olds in California, 449 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: and they call that healthcare, and they mutilate them. And 450 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: he would hear the stories of Chloe Cole at fifteen 451 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: with a double mast ectomy, and he'd look and he'd say, 452 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: where are the adults in the room. And for that, 453 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: these cowards who couldn't contend or even give the answer 454 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: to those questions, who are making major money on the 455 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: mutilation of our kids, decided to put a bullet in him. Well, 456 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: that's what evil does. Evil takes life. Charlie's not dead. 457 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: It's like what Billy Graham said, one day you're going 458 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: to hear the story of my death or the reporting 459 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: of my death. Don't believe it. I'll be more alive 460 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: than ever. Charlie's living. He just began to truly live 461 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: that day that shooter didn't kill him. 462 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: Rob McCoy, Charlie Kirk's pastor. He's with the family right 463 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: now in Arizona. Thank you for coming on and sharing 464 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: all that. 465 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 1: Thanks am, I appreciate it. John bless you. 466 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you very much. We'll continue. 467 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 468 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 5: six forty. 469 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: Weiss line eight seven seven, Moist daighty six eight seven 470 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: seven Moist dady six eight seven seven six six four 471 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: seven eight eight six. I imagine a lot of people 472 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: have had a lot of things to say about the 473 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk shooting and everything else. 474 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: So that's what is today, Thursday. Today is Thursday. 475 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: Oh so tomorrow, yes, tomorrow is the moistline eight seven 476 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: seven moist daty six. 477 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: Everything's a blur. 478 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: Now. 479 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 3: Coming up after two o'clock, we are going to get 480 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: into a few other issues because even though there's been 481 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 3: this overwhelming story of Charlie Kirk getting assassinated, our oppressive 482 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: government is still screwing you over and we can't take 483 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: our eye off that. And we are going to spend 484 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 3: some time with Angela McGregor after debors two o'clock news. 485 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: She writes for the West Side Current, and you remember 486 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: that idiot counselman I had, Mike Bonnett, who just turned 487 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: the West Side over to hundreds and hundreds of crazed 488 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: homeless people. Somewhere along the way, they started spending money, 489 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: or said they were going to spend money on a 490 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: housing project on Washington Boulevard. They were going to convert 491 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 3: a former ramata in about a mile from the Venice 492 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: Pier into permanent homeless housing. Well, it's been several years 493 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: now and nothing's happened. No construction, the construction should have 494 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: been completed, nothing's been done. They were given a zero 495 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: interest loan to one of these nonprofits called. 496 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: Path and. 497 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: Nothing and in fact, almost twenty million dollars in grants, loans, 498 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: and donations have gone to the project nothing. We'll talk 499 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: to Angela McGregor. I am telling you I don't know 500 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: who's got the authority to do this, but somebody ought 501 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: to declare an emergency and immediately frees all payments to 502 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: all homeless nonprofits in La County upon an extremely thorough 503 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: investigation by a team of outside auditors, and maybe the 504 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: FBI ought to be involved. 505 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: I know Bill A. 506 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: Saley was talking about doing a federal investigation he is 507 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: the US Attorney. This is ridiculous. We'll talk about that 508 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: coming up. Also, we're gonna talk in the three o'clock hour. 509 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: I told you the other day that Gavin Newsom in 510 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: a state of panic because gas prices really might soar 511 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: over eight dollars a gallon not too far down the road, 512 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: because two oil refineries in the state are closing, will 513 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: be down to six. Newsom was trying to get an 514 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: outside buyer to buy the Valero refinery in Benetia. He 515 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: can't find an outside buyer. Now they're offering They're offering 516 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 3: Valero hundreds of millions of dollars to keep it open anyway. 517 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: Now state taxpayers are going to have to keep the 518 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: thing running. He also is signing a bill to suddenly 519 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: expand curde oil. 520 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: Production in the state. 521 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: We'll talk about all this in the three o'clock hour 522 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: with Michael MChE from usc All. 523 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: Right, when we come back, what is with this twenty 524 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: million dollar. 525 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: Homeless project in Venice. Nothing's been constructed, It's been five years. 526 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: Where's the money? Angela McGregor, Westside Current, she'll be on 527 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: with it. Stebber Mark Live in the KFI twenty four 528 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: Hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The John Cobalt 529 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on 530 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: KFI AM six forty from one to four pm every 531 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand on 532 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app