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Speaker 2: Now he's on FS one career assunchon been fun to see.

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Speaker 2: His name is Danny Parkins. So Saturday, a friend of

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Speaker 2: mine in California, he said, Hey, I take my son

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Speaker 2: to a game every year, and we know you live

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Speaker 2: in Chicago. Do you want to go to the Bears game?

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Speaker 2: I said, it's going to be thirty mile hour wind,

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Speaker 2: gusts and snowing. He's like, it'll be so much fun,

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Speaker 2: and I said, when you live in it, it's really

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Speaker 2: not that fun, Like I don't ski anymore. So, but

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Speaker 2: it is interesting when I look at that Packer game.

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Speaker 2: What I think is fascinating is usually when the Packers

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Speaker 2: play in a playoff game, they are the story and

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Speaker 2: it's a total Bear story. Ben Johnson Caleb, the Bears

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Speaker 2: are literally what everybody is watching for. And my theory

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Speaker 2: is the lousy weather benefits the Bears because they have

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Speaker 2: one of the best run games. The Packers run game

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Speaker 2: isn't as good. The Bears have a better run game,

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Speaker 2: a better old line, and I would argue the ability

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Speaker 2: for Caleb to just take off is actually usually the

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Speaker 2: more Ski offense is at a disadvantage when the weather stinks,

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Speaker 2: and I actually think it plays into the bears favor

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Speaker 2: And I like Chicago this weekend and I think they're

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Speaker 2: the second best bet on the board after Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot there. Caleb's best game of the

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Speaker 1: coldest game at Soldier Field in like twenty years. His

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Speaker 1: So, but like bad conditions should impact Caleb less than

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Speaker 1: other players because of his like physical gifts. And then

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Speaker 1: everything else you said is absolutely true. Home field, offensive line,

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Speaker 1: run game, all those things. Green Bay's defense also, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've lost four straight. Micah got hurt four games ago.

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Speaker 1: They have three sacks and no intercept in their last

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Speaker 1: The Packers defense, since losing Mica, is just bad. They

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Speaker 1: and not even opportunistic. But before we get into any

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Speaker 1: I'm flying in Saturday morning. Do you want to grab lunch?

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Speaker 1: you're more than welcome. But Colin, I hate going to

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Speaker 1: Packers game. This is gonna be a special thing. Like

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Speaker 1: actually rooting for it to be cold because I don't

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Speaker 1: just I'm so excited for this game. I had to

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things about running a

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan Marino, one of the Cowboys. Uh, go there

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Speaker 1: That was that. Yes, sure, yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So I don't consider I consider warm you know, Miami, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: And so the NFL success has gone through cold, crappy weather.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this the other day. Ben

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Speaker 2: And I think, what one of the quiet pieces of

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Speaker 2: So I think what makes you you know, we always

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Speaker 2: For the record, Detroit wasn't where Ben was at because

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Speaker 1: Well, so one that you didn't mention is my favorite,

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Speaker 1: and it's Chargers plus three and a half. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's a death blow. Like anyone who has been

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Speaker 1: who has made the playoffs in the last thirty years,

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Speaker 1: They've all lost in the wildcard round, Like it is

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Speaker 1: England's defense is not good. They're not They're statistically okay

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of blowouts. Sure, I'll concede that.

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Speaker 1: But I think Denver is a worst matchup for the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Matchup for Houston's a bad matchup.

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Speaker 2: And the hardballs are they're intense, like intense personalities Jim

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, he arguably should have won MVP

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Speaker 1: his mobility makes you have to put in spies and

428
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Speaker 1: keep eyes on the quarterback and so that it makes

429
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Speaker 1: it easier to pass the football. He doesn't just drop

430
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: back and pass it like Matt Stafford, and he never will.

431
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: And so as that athleticism wanes, how much is his

432
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: passing efficiency going to wane? And my guess is a

433
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Speaker 1: significant amount, Like, well, I don't think Lamar is going

434
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Speaker 1: to be you know, I don't think he's gonna win

435
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: another MVP Award, but I do think that he will

436
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: be good enough in the short term to be competitive

437
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: because of how talented that roster is and the other like,

438
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Speaker 1: because I think also what you're asking is, like, how

439
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: attractive is the Baltimore job. It's a great organization.

440
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's I think it's the best job

441
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: opening in for since since green Bay. But green Bay

442
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have an owner and they've got their own obstacles

443
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: and things to deal with. I mean, green Bay third

444
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: year in a row, youngest team, why they don't sign

445
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: free agents much. So, right, Baltimore's as good a job

446
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: as that's been opening years.

447
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you, But like, if you are skeptical

448
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: of what Lamar is gonna be, and you're gonna have

449
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Speaker 1: to pay him seventy million.

450
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Speaker 2: Dollars, so I'm not skeptical. I think you get two

451
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: more really really high end years. But my guess is

452
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: the Lamar that was freakishly hard to corner, I don't

453
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 2: think we'll see that. I think we'll see highly effective

454
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: eleven and six can win the division. But I do

455
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: think I think it's a reasonable take that twenty nine

456
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: years old for his stylistically, I think he's got two

457
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: really good years left. I wouldn't bet on four. I

458
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: think at thirty three is not the same player.

459
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I agree with that, and I said,

460
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: like two of the next four because maybe he hurts

461
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: his back next year or whatever. But I think I

462
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: also think that athletes now they're just better, yeah, right,

463
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: And so I think we have to kind of like

464
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: it used to be, like running backs after twenty seven,

465
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: don't want those guys now. Derrick Henry is still a

466
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: top six back in the NFL, you know. Now he's

467
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: an Adrian Peterson cyborg. But like Christian McCaffrey used to,

468
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: just higher than it's ever been. Like, we have to

469
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: like adjust it a little bit, like because Cam Newton

470
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: took hits in a way that Lamar doesn't take hits

471
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: right now, bigger athlete, but he was one yard touchdowns

472
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger lowering his shoulder. That's not what Lamar is.

473
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: Like.

474
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Speaker 1: You can still be just if you are a good

475
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: escape artist, even if you're not running to scramble just

476
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: like running to evade the pressure, extend the plays, you

477
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: can still be effective. So yeah, two of the next

478
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: four years, I think you have a top ten quarterback

479
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, and you can you can win a Super

480
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: Bowl with that, and then when you add in all

481
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the other talent there, how well they draft. What coach

482
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: Manjini keeps talking about though, is he's like, what people

483
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: underrate is when you're there for eighteen years. It's not

484
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: like a coach who was there for three and gets fired.

485
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: He's like, you're you're either just doing more of what

486
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: John Harball was doing or you're changing everything. But the

487
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: pr was how Harball wanted it, the food was how

488
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: Harball wanted it, the training staff, all of those things.

489
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated into, like the profile of who the

490
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Speaker 1: next coach of the Ravens is, Like, can it be

491
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Speaker 1: a first time head coach? No I said this today.

492
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Speaker 1: They don't need their culture change. They have one of

493
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Speaker 1: the best cultures. They need somebody that works with Lamar

494
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: as he ages Stefanski. Yeah, the New York Giants need

495
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: a Vraabel, they need a culture changer. So yeah, I

496
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Speaker 1: think I think that makes perfect sense.

497
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Harbball works with New York or Atlanta. Stefanski works in Baltimore.

498
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Their culture is incredible. They just have to have somebody

499
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: that Lamar's like, Oh, you're my guy, You're an offensive guy.

500
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: They need an offensive coach for Lamar because I do

501
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: think you're gonna get a little less from Lamar.

502
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: So what can elevate him? Really elite coaching, Yes, schemes, scheme, yeah,

503
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: helping him out in that way. I agree. It's a

504
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: fun By the way, Nick and I were talking about

505
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: this today, you and John Harbaugh both look great for

506
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: your age, because like I kind of was floating like

507
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: to Nic, I was like, you know, like it would

508
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of make sense if Andy Reid wanted Harbaugh to

509
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: replace him, because Andy Reid gave him his shot in

510
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: the NFL back in Philly. But then you look it up,

511
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: John Harbough's sixty two years old. Yeah, Like, Andy Reid's

512
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: not gonna at sixty seven gonna hand it over to

513
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Speaker 1: a sixty two year old guy. So everyone's like talking

514
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: about how John Harbaugh is the unbelievable coaching candidate, and

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: he is, and he'll ten seven teams will offer him

516
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a job and maybe teams that are going to you know,

517
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: maybe they'll fire someone in Tampa to hire him, or

518
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: Green Bay or Buffalo or who the hell knows. But

519
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: it's not hiring Ben Johnson. It's not hiring William Cohen.

520
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: Like you're you're hiring a guy to five years, right?

521
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Like is that I that? That? Would? That? Would I?

522
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: If I'm a Giants fan and they hire John Harbaugh,

523
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: It's obviously exciting, but I'm also like immediately starting the

524
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: clock on it because like, how is he get a

525
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: coach into a seventy.

526
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so no, I think it's a five year

527
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: higher And and that's how I feel.

528
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: Such in the NFL is an eternity. I understand that,

529
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: but it's it's just we're talking about like Lamar's shelf life.

530
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: It's also interesting to consider, like everyone's like, well, John

531
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: Harbaugh is gonna sit out a year. I'm like, no,

532
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna go get a seventy five million dollar contract

533
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: right now because it's probably his last big paid.

534
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not calling plays anymore a lot of

535
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: these older coaches. I feel that Harbaugh to the Giants

536
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: is Kyle Winningham to Michigan. Right the ship excellent, blue

537
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: blood brand, plenty of talent. I've hit on four or

538
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: five years in a row. I've my double the Wind

539
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Total team back twenty twenty two it was the Vikings,

540
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: than the Rams, then than it was last year Washington,

541
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: and this year it was New England and Seattle. I've said,

542
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: if John Harbaugh got the Giants or Kevin Stefanski got

543
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: the Giants, They're might double the wind Total team. I

544
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: think there. I actually think Harbaugh makes a little more

545
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: sense because their culture so weak. Wouldn't it be ironic

546
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: if Stefanski Cleveland fire Stefanski, he owes to Baltimore and

547
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: kicks their ass for eight years.

548
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is well I thought. I thought firing Stefanski

549
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: was one of the more arrogant things we've seen in

550
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. Is amazing, amazing. I'm not saying that he's

551
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: like some sort of like schematic genius. And I think

552
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: the Coach of the Year award is terribly flawed and

553
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: how we give it out, Like I remember when Matt

554
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: Naggie won Coach of the Year for the Bears because

555
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio's defense got thirty six takeaways. I was like, well,

556
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: how does what the hell's going on here? So like

557
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: two time Coach of the years only goes so far

558
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: with me. But he's clearly a good coach, yes, and

559
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: so I think like he's the problem in Cleveland is

560
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: pure insanity and be hilarious if he did that and

561
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: kick their ass Like you said, I know you like

562
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: guys with theories and half baked ideas. Whatever the case

563
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: may be, how many of the following examples, if time

564
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: travel existed, would go back and make thee at the

565
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: time indefensible decision to fire the successful head coach to

566
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Speaker 1: not let the genius out of the building. I'm talking about,

567
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: Like how much does Tampa wish they had fired Todd

568
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Bowles to keep Liam Cohen? How much does Baltimore wish

569
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: they had moved on from John Harbaugh a little earlier

570
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: and then they'd have Mike McDonald Dan Campbell in Detroit

571
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Like you can't let the young play calling

572
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: genius out the door because of like status quo and culture.

573
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: If you would have suggested firing Dan Campbell for Ben Johnson,

574
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: that would have been a hot take for clicks if

575
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: you could. If the trade was offered tomorrow, Ben Johnson

576
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: for Dan Campbell, you'd do it. The Bears would hang

577
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: up the phone like and laugh at the proposition, and

578
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: Detroit would I would think, do it in a heartbeat,

579
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: and Todd Bowles Liam Cohn's not even a question. And

580
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: obviously Mike McDonald would be a home run higher for

581
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Baltimore if he was available, and he was an assistant

582
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: there under Harball. Yeah, so maybe it's like maybe this

583
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: is Monday Morning quarterback it because you didn't know how

584
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: good all of those guys are. But your job, if

585
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: they're in your building is to know how good they are.

586
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: And I just think there's something there of like if

587
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: you think that the genius is actually not the top person,

588
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: fire your top person to promote your genius.

589
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's really hard. It's

590
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: it's the classic easier said than done. Because I do

591
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: think Dan Campbell is really built a good culture. I

592
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: think it's much und undeniably. Yeah. And also Mike McDonald

593
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: and Sean McVay, who really are kind of really the

594
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: same guy one offense and one defense, like the good looking, confident, likable,

595
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: very pro player. But don't push them. I mean Mike

596
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: McDonald's like, I don't want DK Metcalf in the building.

597
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: DK Mtcalf's gone right like and and by the way,

598
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: Sean McVeigh has done this. I've I told a friend,

599
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I said, I would not be shocked if Pooka's gone

600
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: in the offseason. I would not be shocked. It's a

601
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: very good receiver draft. Again, they've got two ones, a

602
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: two of three. They need to tackle a corner. It's

603
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: not a good quarterback draft. They took a second round,

604
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: third round. If they took a wide receiver, it would

605
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: not shock me. Is you've got to be brutal in

606
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: this business.

607
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: You know.

608
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: It's funny. I read something about John Harbaugh, a former

609
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Raven player, said he says he's an unbelievable culture builder.

610
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: He could be a little bit more compassionate. And I thought,

611
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: that's a player talking. And it's really hard to be

612
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: compassionate if you're running a network, you're running a football team,

613
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: you're running a company, because in the end, you have

614
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: to make these awful, brutal decisions. And I think, I mean,

615
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: I ripped the Lions. This was my I think I've

616
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: told you this. The greater the loss, the wider the search.

617
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: When Jim Harbaugh leaves Michigan. You can't give it to

618
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: an assistant. When Ben Johnson leaves, you can't say, hey,

619
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: the guy that shared the room with him. And I

620
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: think it's a classic flaw in hiring is that you

621
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: think proximity to genius equals genius, and it does not

622
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: proximity to a great mentor like Belichick's not a great

623
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: mentor McVeigh is. But even mcveigh's coaches Raheem Morris just

624
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: got fired Zach Taylor. So just all this stuff is

625
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: fascinating to talk about. I think the bigger mistake teams

626
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: make is that when the genius leaves, because it is

627
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: hard to fire Dan Campbell and replace him. The key

628
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: is when the genius leaves, you have to have a

629
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: global search. You never ever replace the genius boy Wonder

630
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: with guy down the hallway that makes everybody laugh in

631
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: the film room.

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00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: You have to go.

633
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: And so I think that's the mistake. The genius leaves

634
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, well, Bob knows our culture, it doesn't matter.

635
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: Go hire.

636
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: You've heard a prof g before, Scott Galloway. He says

637
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: this interviewing is overrated when you own, when you have

638
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: a company, the volume. We've done a lot of this.

639
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was smart. It was just this

640
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: is how I Ball was operated in my life. The

641
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: first thing I asked Nick right is, hey, who's the

642
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: smartest young talented guy?

643
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: You know?

644
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: In radio goes there's a guy named Danny Parkins. I'm like,

645
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: all right, so I go listen to Chicaga Radio for

646
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: an hour and I'm like, oh, yeah, that guy's gonna

647
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: be really good. Just go ask your smartest friends who's

648
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: the smartest guy? You know, who's the best guy? Yes,

649
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: smart people hang out with smart people. A's hang out

650
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: with a's, b's hang out with c's and proft G

651
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: says interviewing is ridiculous. He goes, ninety nine percent of

652
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: the time, just ask all the smart people in your building,

653
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Like tell Ben way to kick ass, who would you

654
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: who's the smartest guy? You know? It's never the guy

655
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: down the wholeway. I know it's cruel sounding, but it

656
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: never is.

657
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is pretty accurate. Yeah, and like, listen,

658
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: the examples I gave are the most current examples. And yes,

659
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: firing John Harball would have been kind of crazy. A

660
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and Dan Campbell would have been

661
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: in defensible Todd Bowles for Liam Cohen. You probably could

662
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: have done that one, you know what I mean. He's like,

663
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Oh my god, this guy got to

664
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield had the best season of his life.

665
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: Baker dropped off severely this year.

666
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he shows up with Trevor Lawrence who

667
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: had been the same guy for five years, and now

668
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: he's immediately awesome. And Travis Etn who had been a

669
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: disappointment his whole career, is immediately awesome. Like that guy's

670
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: probably awesome.

671
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: Listen, you and I have talked about this in our

672
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: careers off the air. Don't just chase money, chase good management,

673
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: because if you work hard and you love what you do,

674
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: you'll find money. In any business, you'll find it. Maybe

675
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: not if you're an elementary school teacher, but in most businesses.

676
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: If you work hard, find something you're good at, if

677
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: you'll love it, you'll do well. What Ben Johnson has

678
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: actually done in Chicago, I think is a little like

679
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: we all know he's good. I don't even think we

680
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: know how good Ben Johnson is because you know this

681
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: McCaskey family. I'll just be democratic. It's a little dysfunctional.

682
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Warren is not considered one of the strongest team presidents.

683
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: I think Ryan Polls has some hits. I don't want

684
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: to judge Ryan because he has absolutely. I mean, he's

685
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: missed on a few people. It's in exact, he's also

686
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: hit on a lot of draft picks. We have to

687
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: be fair, Yeah, right.

688
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles has some grand slams, yes, and a lot

689
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: of strikeouts.

690
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: That's okay, Yes, but he's got some hits he deserves.

691
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: He's got some hits, definitely. But it was so dysfunctional

692
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: last year. And if you go back to camp when

693
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: he was really hard on Caleb and he's like, we're

694
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: not good. McVeigh succeeds, but I mean, let's be honest,

695
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: like Stan Kronkey is like the second just owner. It's

696
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: not that it was easy with GoF, but GoF. GoF

697
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: was a classic dropback guy. I always felt like in

698
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 2: Los Angeles the Jeff Fisher's maybe maybe I'm I guess

699
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: my whole point is this is that maybe it all

700
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: blows up next year like dan Quinn Washington and it

701
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: just all unravels. But I think Ben Johnson, I think

702
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: we have our next McVeigh.

703
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, so I don't even.

704
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Think it's I think he is that good.

705
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Listen, do I have like some bias

706
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: that you could just signed to this? Sure? Do you

707
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: have some like cope copium or hope trafficking that I'm

708
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: doing for myself? Sure? Like I've fallen for coaches and

709
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I've fallen for quarterbacks before. This is very clearly different.

710
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: It's it just it is very clearly different. He And

711
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: that's why the Dan Campbell culture thing, it's like, I

712
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: don't know, Ben Johnson changed the culture prett damn quick.

713
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Winning an accountability helps, it's a it's a good way

714
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: to it's a good place to start with culture. And

715
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: I loved what he apparently told the team, you know,

716
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: after that loss in week eighteen. He basically came in

717
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: and said, I don't want you to show up to

718
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: the facility tomorrow if you are thinking about your vacation

719
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: or if you are not physically or mentally prepared to

720
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: be here every day and give us everything you have

721
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: for the next five weeks, because that's what it will

722
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: take to win a super Bowl. And it's just like,

723
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: holy shit, like high standards, expectations, willing to back it up,

724
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: Like iired from someone that Ben Johnson does all of

725
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: the installs, not like like not just like the first fifteen,

726
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: like the third down, the red zone, that doesn't delineate

727
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: it to position. Coaches doesn't like, you know, give the

728
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: tight ends. Coach one doesn't give it. He does all

729
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: of it's he clearly sleeps at the facility. Some like

730
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that we're going to look

731
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: at him in ten years and be like, oh my god,

732
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: it was like a presidency like he is. He is

733
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: a maniacal worker, and he's an awesome play caller, and

734
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: he has changed the culture. And I agree with you,

735
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: like I think the Bears have a McVeigh shanahan guy,

736
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: which is the most valuable thing you can have in

737
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: coaching because even if his assistants get poached, you still

738
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: have him. It's why genius defensive coach is great, genius

739
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: offensive coach is better. Yeah, because stays there and it

740
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: gives stability to your quarterback. And then they have a

741
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: top five physical talent at the quarterback position. Not saying

742
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: he is a top five quarterback, right, but he's a

743
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: top five physical teent, no question. And so you now

744
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: have if you've got a top five offensive mind with

745
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback talent. And and again this can change.

746
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: People get divorced, relationships, you grow apart. Sure, but it

747
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: started rocky. And now in week eighteen, Caleb Williams is

748
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: wearing Ben Johnson's high school jersey to the game. They

749
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: love each other, Colin, Yeah, It's what I've wanted my

750
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: whole life. And you know, honestly, like Andy Reid is

751
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: going to coach for as long as health will allow

752
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: him to because he found Patrick Mahomes late in life

753
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's like the perfect mind. Like, so, I legitimately

754
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: will be shocked if Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams are

755
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: not the quarterback and coach of the Bears in twenty

756
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: thirty five, I will be shocked by it.

757
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: This will probably go viral. So years ago, I forget

758
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: who was doing this, but somebody ranked the best thirty

759
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: dunks of all time and they eliminated the Vince Carter

760
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: jumping over the Chinese national team center. So we're gonna

761
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: take that one out because it automatically wins. You jumped

762
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: over a seven foot man, and so somebody took that

763
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: out and started it. So I'm gonna take Andy Reid

764
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: out of this question because he's almost Belichickian. Now it's

765
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: sort of understood. It's silly. His resume is better his place.

766
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: So let's take Andy Reid out of this and let's

767
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: go rank the coaches until we get to Ben Johnson. Okay,

768
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: so I would go Maxa So, okay, I'm gonna go

769
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: McVeigh one.

770
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: That's fine. Shanahan too, boy, Jim Harbaugh's good. Jim Harbo's good.

771
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor, Jim Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is very good.

772
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: And I know, I know you love him.

773
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: Okay, here's why Shanahan gets docked for me? Okay, why

774
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: doesn't he come? Why is he bad second half trailing?

775
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Because he has the best play sheet in the league,

776
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: and he gets glued to his play sheet. He has

777
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: the best he is that that is the most sophisticated

778
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: play sheet in the league, and the best play caller.

779
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: But he there are certain things, you know, I always

780
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: had my Aaron Rodgers theory. Why does he have so

781
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: few come from behind wins in the fourth fewer than

782
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: Derek Carr. Why because Aaron's mood changes after a pick

783
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: or two. He literally his mood changes, you can see it,

784
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: his body language changes. He has a bizarre few come

785
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: from behind wins. He I always said he's not a

786
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: foxhole guy. He is a baller, but a little bit

787
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: of a Baylor.

788
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I but I love this, so I

789
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: want to just like stay on it. Like the guy

790
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: went to a super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and rock Party.

791
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like that's the only argument I need.

792
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Like Kyle Shanahan, if you can go to a super

793
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Bowl with the last pick in the draft, Okay, so

794
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm putting him third, You're putting him second. Yeah, okay,

795
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: but but okay, fine, okay, but my but my thing. Okay,

796
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: So now Harbaugh, Harbor wins everywhere he goes everywhere. Is

797
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: a great culture guy. I don't know, man, I don't know.

798
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Like Ben Johnson calls the plays.

799
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, can we can we have him go through

800
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: a full season before.

801
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like Jim Harbo runs a little bit

802
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: too much for my liking, Like he kicks field goals

803
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: a little too often for my liking. Okay, I'm just

804
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like there's it's just it's a little

805
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is we've reached the point of the list.

806
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: We've reached the point of the list where you're gonna

807
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: at least get me to start making some arguments.

808
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: For Okay, that's okay. So I'm like McVeigh, Harbaugh, Shanahan's

809
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: lack of second half comebacks bothers me. Shanahan, Third, Mike Rabel, four,

810
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, I would probably I think Peyton's so good.

811
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's all inches here to me,

812
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: like I it's inches, it's not feet.

813
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: And so I have a question about Mike Rabel. Okay,

814
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: I have a question about Mike Rabel. He wins in Tennessee.

815
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: With a political bad ownership.

816
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: With with with Prime Derrick Henry and A. J. Browne

817
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: and Ryan Tannehill. Okay, but they had one great year

818
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: and it ended poorly, and yes there was politicking and

819
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: all of that. He is clearly a smart coach. He

820
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: is clearly uh you know, he plays on the edges

821
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: like Belichick, like he knows the rules backwards and forwards,

822
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: which I really respect. Josh McDaniels is a top offensive coordinator,

823
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Like how lucky is that? And maybe it's not luck,

824
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: it's relationship and Patriots and all that stuff, but like

825
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: he has the best offensive coordinator situation you can have,

826
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: because it seems like Josh McDaniels can't be a head coach,

827
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: right but he's clearly like if we were going to

828
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: say best play callers in the game, and again we're

829
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: removing Andy Reid, like Josh McDaniels is probably in the

830
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: top five, right Josh McDaniels is.

831
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: I think he's. I think he's probably he and Brian

832
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 2: Floores are the best coordinators in the game right now.

833
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so just like you gave him an incredible

834
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: quarterback and an incredible play caller, and an incredible play

835
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: caller won't leave because he can't be a head coach.

836
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Speaker 1: I just I'll just tell you this right now. I

837
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade Ben Johnson for Mike Rabel. Okay, that one

838
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't be hard.

839
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So the difference between you and I, I get

840
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: to seven and I'm willing to consider Ben Johnson, So

841
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: I go McVeigh, Jim Harbaugh, Shanahan, Peyton Vrabel, and Mike McDonald.

842
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald took over. I think he's I think he's

843
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: McVeigh on the defensive side. So I get to seven,

844
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: and I could argue, I like Demiko Ryan's but I

845
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: do prefer offense over defense. I would go Ben Johnson

846
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: seven and then Demiko Ryans eight, and then I'd probably go,

847
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we have to put Mike Tomlin in there

848
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: because goddamn one is division again it's it's so I

849
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: would I would the who am I missing?

850
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Now? Listen, you know some people would say Matt Lafleur,

851
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: he's good, and I would good. I would take I

852
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: would take Ben Johnson over him. Listen, I think I

853
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: think not. It's it's very early, but well, Liam Cohen

854
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: is doing in Jacksonville's very, very impressive.

855
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: I would like him to finish the season. But I agree.

856
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying if I'm going to have Ben

857
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: Johnson up there like Lee, because I'm giving Liam Cohen

858
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for what Baker did you know?

859
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: So like that.

860
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Sean McDermott has a higher winning percentage

861
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: than Andy Reid and Belichick. I'm I'm at nine and

862
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't have Sean McDermott. That tells you the depth

863
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: and coaching.

864
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen and Nick Sirianni has like the highest

865
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: win percentage ever and everyone's like, yeah, but it's a

866
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: super team, so like we can we can parse some

867
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: stuff here. Sean Payton's great. I would take Ben Johnson

868
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: because of age, like I think you have him for longer.

869
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: McDonald is incredible. McDonell. And what the Seahawks did in

870
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: that Week eighteen game against the Niners, Oh, it.

871
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: Was one of the more It's amazing it was only

872
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: thirteen to three because it felt thirty to three.

873
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

874
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: That is the knock I have on Seattle is that

875
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: they physically dominate teams. And in the last six weeks,

876
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: you're like, I feel like you left fourteen points on

877
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: the yeah, on the floor.

878
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that I mean that JSN is forty percent of

879
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: their offense, and you fully trust their court, Like, I mean,

880
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: they clearly sometimes call plays to hide Darnold making mistakes.

881
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: They'll like snap throw like one read throws like they

882
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: like all him out left and look back right and

883
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: there's one and it's like throw it to him or

884
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: throw it away. So they they clearly don't fully trust Donald,

885
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: even though they say everything publicly like their actions in

886
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: their play calling when he gets a little shakey, suggested,

887
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, McDonald doing that. I mean we looked it

888
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: up on the show. Fewest yards ever for a Kyle

889
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: Shanahan offense since he'd been the head coach in San Francisco,

890
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: fewest rushing yards for McCaffrey since he got with Shanahan,

891
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: and tied for the fewest points for Shanahan since he

892
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: had been in San Francisco since his first game. Shanahan's

893
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: first game in San Francisco in twenty seventeen, they scored

894
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: three points and then they held him to three points

895
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: when they had been the number one offense in football

896
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: since Week eleven when Perty came back, they were averaging

897
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: thirty five a game. They play a must win game

898
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: against the division opponent they know, and they get held

899
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: to one hundred and seventy four yards and three points.

900
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, McDonald is excellent. Like he to me, the

901
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: coach of the Year this year is fascinating Vrabel, Ben Johnson,

902
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, McDonald's Shanahan. With all the injuries, there's you know,

903
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: Peyton obviously getting the one seed. There's big names, there's history, guys.

904
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: McDonald's probably I think I think he deserves it this year,

905
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and that's over by guy Ben Johnson.

906
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't like giving it to just the

907
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: guy who improves the most with the wins because Vrabel's

908
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: the favorite and everyone thinks Vrabel's gonna win it.

909
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: But now they have that Assistant Coach of the Year award,

910
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: which I would give to McDaniels.

911
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: What makes Seattle scary is they have it's the trifecta.

912
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: They have a highly productive quarterback check on a very

913
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: team friendly deal, second check, and they don't miss on

914
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: draft picks third check. Yeah, So that was their secret

915
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: sauce with Russell so Pete. So they had this third

916
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: round pick Russell that was highly productive and Pete's first

917
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: three years out of college finding you know, cham Chancellor

918
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: and Richard Sherman and I mean they were hitting on

919
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: fifth and sixth round picks. So it reminds me a

920
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: little bit. And and that was a strong run game.

921
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: An athletic quarterback who never really you know, a lot

922
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: of the analysts and the Greg Cosel like was never

923
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: a Russell guy. Uh, and he tended tends to be

924
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: right on that stuff. So yeah, I mean it's it's

925
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: Seattle's got that's a dangerous that's a dangerous space, highly

926
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: productive quarterback, not Panamaton. And they do not miss on

927
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: draft picks. Their last nine in the first or second round.

928
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: It's nine for nine.

929
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I saw I saw you put that graphic

930
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: up on the show the other day. I was mad

931
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: at you that I didn't do it first. It's crazy. Yeah,

932
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was very it was very good.

933
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: So that listen, it's the coaching. They a lot of

934
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: them get fired right with seven openings right now, so

935
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you can still you can still hire one and have

936
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: a huge miss, you know, and it can go like

937
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: like I remember you and I disagreed. You liked the

938
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll higher. I didn't, but I fully admitted to

939
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: you that a little bit of that was agism. Yes,

940
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: I was super skeptical.

941
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: I thought it was. I thought it was a stabilizing

942
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: I still picked them for fourth, Like I didn't think

943
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: they'd be any good. I just didn't think they'd be

944
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: the worst team. Yeah, offensively in you know, bordering on

945
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: in ten years.

946
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, and again, like I fully I don't

947
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: want to be agist, but like if you're trying to

948
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: coach twenty two to thirty two year old men, and

949
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to compete with like Mit Sloan analytics type

950
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: people and like the game is changing in sports and

951
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: sports medicine and sports science, and go for it on

952
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: fourth and go for two down eight when you cut

953
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: the lead from fourteen to eight. Because of this, this

954
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: is like, you know, I tend to be biased towards

955
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: like the younger people who buy into it, and so

956
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I just I think Ben Johnson is he's just he's

957
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: that guy. Like I'm just I'm just I'm positive of it. Yeah,

958
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be floored. I don't even know, Like

959
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: what would the example be of someone that you would

960
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: say that, like you thought was the boy one, like

961
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel.

962
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: Maybe I never I never bought into him. Yeah when

963
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: he and by the way, he's still there. Like I

964
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 2: think Mike McDaniel is a pretty good coach because he's

965
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: because of if you can if you have a quarterback

966
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: who can't throw the ball downfield and he can't see

967
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: over the offensive line, and you still are a effective

968
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: offense when he's out there, I'm like, hey, you're probably

969
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: a pretty good play caller. You probably run a pretty

970
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: good I've said before, keeping too and Mike McDaniel for

971
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: a year. It's not crazy. You got to pay two anyway.

972
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, just just I mean, listen, I always

973
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: thought career the general manager, I never could understand this.

974
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 2: So let's I mean, you draft Tua, then you draft

975
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: ja Jaylen Waddle, you've got your deep threat. Two was

976
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: not a deep ball arm It's very His comp was

977
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: Drew Brees. So we're gonna get We're gonna give up

978
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: all sorts of draft capital, and we're gonna get that.

979
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: This the fastest guy we've already got Waddle. And oh,

980
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: by the way, we're gonna mostly ignore the offensive line

981
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: with a quarterback with injury history and have the worst

982
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: backup situation in the line. None of that's Mike mcdaniell.

983
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: None of that's Mike McDaniel's fault. None of it.

984
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: No. I agree, I agree completely, and not to like

985
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: talk too much Dolphins, but about my point was more

986
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: like when the young guy comes on the scene and

987
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: you just like normally you can be like, oh, yeah,

988
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: that's McVeigh, that's Shanahan, and I think that's Ben Johnson,

989
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: Like I did not crown Jadeen Daniels the way everyone

990
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: else crowned him. I did not crown c J Stroud

991
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: the way everyone else crowned him. For their after their

992
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: breakout years, I thought it was I thought they're obviously impressive.

993
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: I thought I said Daniel was the best I'd ever seen,

994
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: but like I wasn't ready to say he was going

995
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: to be a top five quarterback for ten years. Drake May,

996
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: I think is different. Yeah, I think Drake May I

997
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: will be shocked if he isn't a top ten quarterback

998
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: for the next decade. Like I think, I think he

999
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: he passes it my scouts. I if you will like, yeah,

1000
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: he passes it for me. So I think sometimes I

1001
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: just trust that you can see it with the young

1002
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: guys like coach and quarterback. And I think I think

1003
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson is a yes, and Drake May is

1004
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: a yes. And by the way, I think I think

1005
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Caleb is a yes too. By the way, Yeah, you

1006
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: know the Mike McDaniel thing. I think Nick Wright said

1007
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: this too, is the media loved him because he looks

1008
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: like the media is. Yeah, I was totally guilty of that.

1009
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: I will fully admit that. Yeah, he had funny, quirks,

1010
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: snarky yeah yeah, yes, and smart, yeah, clearly smart. Sarcastic. Yeah,

1011
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: I fully admit that that was a thing for me.

1012
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I Tom Tellasco told me this years ago.

1013
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: He said, you're really hiring a CEO. He goes, if

1014
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: you get schemes, what a bonus. He goes, But there's

1015
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: not that many Andy Reids and Kyle Shanahan. He goes,

1016
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: you're really hiring a CEO like Vrabel Jim and John Harbaugh. Again,

1017
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's rare. He can do schemes and personnel. But

1018
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, really what you want is a walk around

1019
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: guy that builds a culture. That's really the key to

1020
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And that's where I thought McDaniels would miss.

1021
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's he's a small guy. He's not

1022
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: he's funny, but he's kind of odd at the podium.

1023
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: He stutters, he doesn't make eye contact. And I'm like, boy,

1024
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: that's a hard sell in a room on a Monday

1025
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: after a tough loss. I'm not sure that works. But

1026
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: to your point, he's not the problem there. I don't

1027
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: think he's the primary issue.

1028
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: No, And I like, if he got fired. I'd want,

1029
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, like if Brian Flores got a head coaching

1030
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: job and he got to hire Mike McDaniel as his

1031
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and be like, oh, that's.

1032
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Flores was kind of thought of as

1033
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: a jerk. I would hire Brian Floor's one second. McDaniels

1034
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: is beloved as one of the nicest guys. I would

1035
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: never give him a second head coaching job. Like in

1036
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: the end, football's harsh, Like there is there is that

1037
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: argument that like Kurt Signetti has never smiled like the

1038
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: guys that smile. Pete Carroll smiles a lot on the sideline,

1039
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti does not smile. Ben Johnson does not smile.

1040
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. I mean, it is They're just something to

1041
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: be said about football's hard. Football coaching is hard, and

1042
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: it's it is a can be a very miserable experience.

1043
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: And if I get you know, Jerry Glanville, Sam wish,

1044
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: they were too damn good at the podium. They were

1045
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: just too good at the podium for me.

1046
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, but then Tomlin is incredible at the podium.

1047
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: He's the best in the history of football. He's the

1048
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: There's not a second place.

1049
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incredible at it. And if he loses to Houston,

1050
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: the seventh straight playoff losses going back to twenty sixteen

1051
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: for him, comin to me is a weird one to evaluate.

1052
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: Obviously from what you're talking about the CEO.

1053
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's something I think what he is. I think

1054
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: he does some things extraordinarily well, like he's really good.

1055
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean he's always done this. If you give him

1056
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: a Monday night game, it's a big stage. He has

1057
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 2: an extra day. He really can sell to a team,

1058
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: like I think they're gonna give Hugh. I think they

1059
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: can beat Houston. I honestly do. I think Mike is

1060
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: one of the great motivators. I mean, if you told

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00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: me one coach gets out of coaching, two coaches get

1062
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: out of coaching and become huge motivational speakers, I would

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00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: say McVeigh, Tomlin, they're just unbelievable, like they just as

1064
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: a guy, I would run through a wall for McVeigh

1065
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: and Tomlin, whereas Shanahan is like a mad scientist. I

1066
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: don't know if I'd run through a wall, but I'd

1067
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: be like, God, that guy's brilliant. I think Ben Johnson

1068
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: has got a little bit of that McVeigh Tomlin thing

1069
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: where it's like, boy, he's a you'd run through a wall.

1070
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: I watched those postgame speeches. I'm like, man, that is effective.

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: That works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've I mean I've talked to players on the

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: team like they've Like one guy told me he's like

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: I kind of thought it was corny the first time

1075
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: I heard it, and then by the third time I

1076
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: heard it, I thought it was like, you know, it

1077
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: was like the scene in Braveheart, Like you know what

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's like there's something too what that is,

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00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: what that ability is in him? And yeah, you know

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: Ben ben Johnson is again, he's it's the best of

1081
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: both worlds. He's I mean, he ripped his shirt off

1082
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: in the locker room and it played and it wasn't corny.

1083
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: Oh they all loved it and the city loved it

1084
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: and the whole thing, and so yeah, like he I

1085
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: think I think Ben Johnson's both And yeah, Mike Tomlin is.

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00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: He's an incredible eleven out of ten leader and speaker

1087
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: who teams give up thirty eight a game in these

1088
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: playoff losses, and he can't find an offensive coordinator and

1089
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: he can't find a quarterback on forty like you know

1090
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like so like there's high floor, low

1091
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: ceiling right, high floor low, maybe that's it. Yeah, but no.

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: But by the way, if you told me, like if

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: if they if they did the mutual parting of ways

1094
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: thing and Mike Tomlin got to go coach Cincinnati, I'd

1095
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well that I mean, they're gonna win

1096
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: super Oh I would.

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01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: I said this on the air, I would hire him

1098
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: in Miami in thirty seconds.

1099
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you gave him a if you

1100
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: gave him a quarterback. Yeah, Like if you told me

1101
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has a top ten quarterback.

1102
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say McDermott loses fired, Mike goes to Allen

1103
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: that's a super.

1104
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: Bowl immediately, immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Like so I'm not like

1105
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: when when I criticized Tomlin, it's not I don't think

1106
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: he's a great football exactly. He's obviously a great football coach.

1107
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: It's just I would I the things that he has

1108
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: not been able to do.

1109
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: He can't fix the run game. It's like it's eight years.

1110
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: Fix the run.

1111
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Game, find a quarterback, find an offensive coordinator, Like he

1112
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have a coaching tree. It's just you know, it's

1113
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: he is a great football coach that like would win

1114
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: state championships in high school, like, you know, because he's

1115
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: just a great motivator. But like that can clearly take

1116
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: you far ish because it's football.

1117
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: I think that's what you said, incredibly high floor. But

1118
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: I think as the game has shift to do offense,

1119
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: it does feel like his ceiling over the last ten years,

1120
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: because it's like eighteen years ago they won the Super

1121
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: Bowl of Airson. It does feel like over the last

1122
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: eighteen years he was a high ceiling, high floor guy.

1123
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: Now he's a high floor guy, and it feels like

1124
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: the ceiling has come down a little bit.

1125
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And like not that it ever was a

1126
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: shot of working, but like if Kenny Pickett would have

1127
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: been awesome, then the Steelers would be awesome. Yeah, but

1128
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: they're too good to draft high to get a real prospect,

1129
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks don't generally leave in free agency unless they're

1130
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: super flawed or forty you know, And so it's like, Okay,

1131
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? How are you going

1132
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: to get Mike Tomlin a great quarterback in Pittsburgh? How

1133
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna do it? Because he's not able to

1134
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Speaker 1: do it.

1135
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Speaker 2: Will you do it next year? Because that draft with

1136
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: arch Manning, potentially Dante More the kid at Texas Tech

1137
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: that just transferred, next year's draft could have seven first

1138
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: round quarterbacks and there you go. There you go. That's

1139
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: when you go get them.

1140
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go. But so congratulations on another

1141
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: year of ten and seven.

1142
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: And I I really feel I'm watching that and I'm like,

1143
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: gain Well, dk Metcalf, Friarmuth, Jalen Warren, Aaron doesn't make

1144
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: mistakes or throw picks.

1145
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the only thing is the only thing.

1146
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: Houston doesn't score in the red zone. They're a bad

1147
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: red zone team.

1148
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't trust Stroud as much as you do.

1149
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: I like him a lot, but he they're just a

1150
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: bad red zone offense.

1151
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just but Aaron doesn't want to be hit.

1152
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: And and there's Daniel Hunter and Wilhelms, I know, you know,

1153
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: and like so I just like, no, their offensive line

1154
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: isn't as bad as the Chargers, but like the Texans are.

1155
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: I think the Texans are the team that no one

1156
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: wants to play because that's just a problem for it

1157
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: not that they're again their offense is bad, but like

1158
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: it's just that's a mismatch for every team.

1159
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: And the other thing about Houston, it's such an indictment

1160
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: on Belichick. So Nick Cassario is in New England for

1161
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: years and they cannot draft like receivers and tight ends.

1162
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: He goes to Houston. He is the you know, he

1163
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: finds Woody Marks and Tank Dell and it's like, oh, yeah,

1164
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: like Houston's actually been one of the better drafting teams

1165
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: in the league for like three years.

1166
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1167
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Speaker 2: The guy in New England. New England was the last

1168
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Speaker 2: six years of Belichick. They were an absolutely atrocious drafting

1169
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: team on offense. Atrocious. The guy who was in the

1170
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: building goes to Houston and now he's just finding guys

1171
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: in the sixth round in your life. So that's another reason,

1172
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: like Belichick old defensive guy. You like, just go look

1173
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: at Houston's drafting. Why couldn't they draft for like the

1174
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: last six years of Belichick Because Belichick I was told

1175
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: this for years. You'd get to January and Bill would

1176
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: call off the scouting department. I'll take it from here.

1177
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, all right, Danny Parkins, good talking, buddy.

1178
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. The hour flies by. As always, I went zero

1179
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: and six down the stretch picking games on TV to

1180
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: lose the Picks contest to Nick Wright. So I've got

1181
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: to go. I've got to get hot for the playoffs.

1182
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: So I went three and two to close sixty percent

1183
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: on the year.

1184
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: That's great.

1185
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: I felt good. A lot of people said that the

1186
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: lines I was, I was. You know, that's what happens.

1187
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: The wind blows harder at the top of the mountain.

1188
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listen, I do. I maybe notice that you

1189
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: do a bit of wine shopping, you know, But again,

1190
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: you're you're Colin Counter.

1191
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: Come on, you can see.

1192
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: That's how the pros do it. You think you're only

1193
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: you're you're only better at one place. You get to,

1194
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: you get to shop around for the best half point value.

1195
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: That's how that's how it works. That's how it works.

1196
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: Good for you, man, Happy for you, all right, buddy,

1197
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: all right man, I'll see you the volume