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Speaker 3: Welcome back to our number two of the drive here

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Speaker 3: on Steelers Nation Radio. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and Matt mel Kuiper has come out

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Speaker 3: with his latest mock draft here. That's what we'll yeah,

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Speaker 3: well we'll surrounder right, it's a two rounder. Okay, Fortunately

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Speaker 3: the Steelers only have one pick at sure point.

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Speaker 1: As we know that he I knew it came out

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Speaker 1: and click on it.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: Him and mcshae used to fight all the time about

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna have trades, you know, Mel's old school.

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Speaker 1: And then eventually they are allowed to have trades. And

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Speaker 1: then Mel said only at the end, but right when

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Speaker 1: we're getting late to the draft. So did he include

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Speaker 3: I can't remember. I can't get to it. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: cam Ward number one, Sure Titans, that's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: He is Travis Hunter now going number two to the

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Speaker 1: I heard this morning that Vegas odds has changed in

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Speaker 3: I think it's largely because Abdull Carter hasn't done anything

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Speaker 3: in this draft process. He's had two injuries to just

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Speaker 3: got two right, the shoulder thing, okay, is fine, right

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Speaker 3: once you start having it again. We just talked about

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Speaker 3: Julio Jones in the previous segment, that foot issue that

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Speaker 3: he had plagued him throughout the course of his career.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point, right, and just I'd like you

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Speaker 1: to work out if him he was a second picking

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Speaker 1: the draft on you. Yeah, I think Hunter is the

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Speaker 1: you shop Thibodeaux, which has been rumored anyway, but.

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Speaker 3: Tough shopping though this year in this particular draft, Right,

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Speaker 3: I could get a lot. You might as well keep him.

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Speaker 1: You might as well keep them and rotate them, and

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Speaker 1: it's not your biggest need. Like Giants would have much

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Speaker 3: He has him taking Abdul Carter at three. Sure, maybe

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Speaker 3: a's trade out of that spot to somebody really has

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Speaker 3: to have Abdul Carter, but again it's a deep ed

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Speaker 3: rusher draft. Yeah. Yeah. At four, the uh Patriots take

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Speaker 1: I prefer Membos slightly, but left tackles a much bigger

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville at five takes Mason Graham, the defensive tackle four ringan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: At six, he has the Raiders taking Ashton Genty, running

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll get out of the top ten,

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Speaker 1: and I think six is a very obvious landing spot.

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Speaker 3: At seventy has the Jets taking arm On Membo the

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Speaker 3: At eight, the Panthers take Jalen Walker, the linebacker from

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Speaker 3: Georgia become super Chalky too. At nine, Shador Sanders goes

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Speaker 1: I can see it. It's not what they do, but

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think that's a better landing spot for him.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my concerns with having him in the

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Speaker 3: Now because I understand he played at Colorado, so he

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Speaker 3: Yeah. At ten, the Bears take Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 3: At eleven, Will Johnson goes to the forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 3: The Colt State Colston Loveland, the tight end from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Everyone puts the tight end there. They went the tight

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The Falcons at fifteen take Mike Green, Yeah, outside

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Speaker 3: He just paid Trey McBride a bunch of money. He

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Speaker 1: Wilson's not terrible. Yeah, you know, I would go defense.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen, the Bengals take Gihad Campbell, the linebacker from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I always have him going to Tampa, but I could

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Speaker 3: The Bengals inside linebackers, they leave a lot to be

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Speaker 1: I don't think they could go will go like I

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Speaker 3: Yeah. At eighteen, the Seahawks take Calvin Banks Junior, the

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Speaker 3: But at nineteen the Buccaneers take nick Emywari safety from

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good value for him. Yeah, pair

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Speaker 3: At twenty one he has the Steelers taking Derek Harmon,

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Speaker 1: Be the best pass rusher of the three now consistently

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Speaker 1: Harmon I would say brings more consistent pressure. Yeah, at

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Speaker 3: At twenty two, the Chargers take Gray Zabel, the offensive

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Speaker 3: You know? Twenty five detections take Josh Connery, the offensive

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Speaker 3: At twenty seven, the Ravens take Malachi Starks to safety

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Speaker 3: opposed to I mean, they started Darius Washington as strong safety,

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Speaker 1: He really should be your third guy. Yeah, and they've

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Speaker 3: number one about Julio Jones and the receiver conversation got

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Speaker 1: The longevity's so crazy too.

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Speaker 3: Three eleven point ninety nine. I forget what's good. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: he's three times eleven. The next best guy is Randy

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Speaker 1: Two, which is incredible, Which is a fantastic incredible right

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Speaker 1: He was never bad.

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Speaker 3: is one hundred with eleven years as a starter. Because

445
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 3: they factor that into how many years? Did you? Were

446
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 3: you an actual starter?

447
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: And Tyler sent us Lawrence Taylor's it's to twenty two

448
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: point five, which is pretty darn good. It's pretty awesome.

449
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 3: Too, but not three hundred yeah.

450
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 1: Two thirds of it basically wow.

451
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: Uh so Antonio Brown did that in seven seasons as

452
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 3: a starter. I mister, what you said there before was

453
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 3: the average Hall of Fame wide receiver has a score

454
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: of one hundred, but started eleven years and made six

455
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: six Pro Bowls, two All Pros, and one a Super Bowl.

456
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: He's under eleven year start. He was seven year starter,

457
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 3: seven Pro Bowls, four times first team All Pro, and

458
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 3: also won the won a Super Bowl. He is by

459
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,959
Speaker 3: far the guys who are above the average Hall of

460
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 3: Fame wide receiver score. He's over one hundred, has the

461
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: fewest seasons played by far.

462
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: I guess that doesn't surprise me if you don't mind

463
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: who's after Moss, Like, who are the top dudes?

464
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison has a score of one forty seven point

465
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 3: one eight.

466
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: A lot of consistency there and a ton of catches.

467
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald was at one forty one point nine. He would

468
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: have beaten him if he had won a Super Bowl,

469
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: he'd have a higher score than Marvin Harrison, but he didn't. Okay,

470
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: Terrell Owens, how many years Larry has left the weight

471
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: but not many? Yeah, I think he's eligible next year. Yeah.

472
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: Good.

473
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: Terrell Owens won forty point five to three. Steve Largent

474
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: who you mentioned? One thirty six point three nine, James Lofton.

475
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: He's a compiler, but he had some really good years

476
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: with the Packers. Yeah, one twenty seven point six to one.

477
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: Lance Alworth.

478
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring him up. I mean because for

479
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: his day, it's like he was.

480
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: His stats. To compare what he did at his in

481
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: his time from nineteen sixty two to seventy two when

482
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: he was putting up fifteen hundred yards and when nobody

483
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: else did that, right, nobody else did.

484
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: That the other one that's crazy.

485
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: He's like Babe Ruth exactly.

486
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: I was use that example, like Babe Ruth at more

487
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: home runs than other most teams. Why am I forgetting

488
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: his name? The Johnny Unitiss receiver. That was incredible to Meredith. No,

489
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: it's not Meredith, Paul No, No, before mackiw was the

490
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: tight end. I mean we're talking like in the fifties.

491
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: He may even been before United.

492
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: But Don Mayor, Yeah, it was also off the charts

493
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: for his era. His scores ninety one point three to one.

494
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

495
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: The other guys who were above.

496
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: In the footballs they played with were like these big

497
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: man covers.

498
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: And you can kill the receivers. Yeah right, They didn't

499
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: even like Chris Carter's is after all, Worth at won

500
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 3: twenty two point eight nine, Tim Brown at one thirteen

501
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: point three to one.

502
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: And these are all pretty easy Hall of famers.

503
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: Reggie Wayne won eleven point one. He's not He hasn't

504
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: gotten in. It hasn't for several years. Now.

505
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: Hold sure he passes a stiff test.

506
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 3: Tory Hold is one oh nine point two two. Did

507
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: he just get in? No, he's still He's still waiting, okay.

508
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: Bruce is in, Julio's at one oh eight point six.

509
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gonna go.

510
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown's one oh four point four eight.

511
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: Do you think he'll get in first ballot?

512
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: No?

513
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't either.

514
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: I think the off the field stuff is going to

515
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: affect that.

516
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: They say it's not supposed to in this Hall of Fame,

517
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: but it always does. Jo didn't get in first try.

518
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: Paul Warfield and I think there's now a situation where

519
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: they don't want to put as many first time guys in. No,

520
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: because there is a backlog of players. But you do

521
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: think ab is a Hall of Famer, Yeah, I mean

522
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: you think he will get in. Yeah, Warfield is one

523
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: oh one point four six. You used to have an

524
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: office next to his.

525
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: He scout with us.

526
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good dude, Steve Smith one hundred point four

527
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: to one, not in, not in now.

528
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: It's a little easier nowadays. Yeah, but you still gonna

529
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: get Pro Bowls and you compete with the receivers of

530
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: the day.

531
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: Some of the guys below that one hundred threshold. And

532
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: again Jerry Rice's number.

533
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: Excuse the I guess the average.

534
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: Excuse the average in a big way. He's like, he's

535
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: like three Hall of Fame receivers, Yeah, wrapped into one.

536
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: Uh So you got Isaac Bruce just under one hundred,

537
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 3: Charlie Taylor just under one hundred, Tyreek Hill at ninety

538
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 3: three point zero one is going, Mike.

539
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: I think of some active guys are going. Tyreek's going.

540
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: Michael Irvin and Andre Andre Johnson recently got in. The

541
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: aforementioned Don Maynard. Okay, Charlie Joyner. What years did Maynard

542
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: play fifty eight to seventy three, Charlie Joyner, Art Monk.

543
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: Monk's a compiler, but the longest long career Raymond Barry.

544
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: M hmm.

545
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: Del Schauffner. I'm not familiar with his work. He played

546
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: from fifty seven to Simon too. I'm thinking of Yeah,

547
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: that's who you're at. I'm thinking of Henry Ellard, Calvin

548
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: Johnson again, he's kind of the ab argument nine seasons

549
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: as a starter, eighty four point one nine.

550
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: But so I just heard this today just because Calvin

551
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Johnson came up. If Hunter goes to, that'd be the

552
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: highest receivers been drafted since Calvin Johnson, who went to. Yeah,

553
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: if he goes to, it'll be the highest of cornerbacks

554
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: ever been drafted. No one's gone the top two. Yeah,

555
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: I think some have gone three. I think like Champailey

556
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: went three years something.

557
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeaheah. I'm just looking at some of the current Steelers on.

558
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: My Swanon stalls are in, but their scores aren't great.

559
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just looking at current Steelers who are still playing.

560
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: Cam Hayward is now up to seventy one point nine

561
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: to three on the Hall of Fame Monitor the average

562
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame defensive tackle as a score of one

563
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: o two, which is crazy because you would think it

564
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: wouldn't be as high as a wide receiver, but there

565
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: aren't as many guys in.

566
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

567
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: So, Aaron Donald's number one on the list at one

568
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 3: one eight, one point one eight.

569
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: Bob respect like Joe Green, Aaron Donald should be won.

570
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean he won m VP A I mean he

571
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: was the best defensive player for a long time.

572
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bob Lily's second, Randy White third, Alan Page fourth,

573
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: Joe Green is fifth with the Hall.

574
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: Of Fame one.

575
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so again, Hayward's making a push

576
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 3: here to uh.

577
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: If he has ten sacks saxt year, I bet he's in.

578
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: If he gets he gets another eight sax season, he's yeah, probably.

579
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, do you know how many saxsi is off

580
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: the top of your head?

581
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: Eighty eight and a half.

582
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: Okay, if he gets you one hundred, it's a done deal,

583
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I think. So yeah.

584
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking at what they do, playoff wins, super Bowls,

585
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff matters. Uh t J Watt on

586
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame monitor.

587
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Is really high, right, Yeah.

588
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor's number one out at edge rusher outside linebacker

589
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: to twenty two point five five, Derek Brooks one's sixty

590
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: four point five, Jack Ham one forty one point six

591
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: to eight.

592
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: It's weird comparing those two, but yeah.

593
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ted Hendricks one thirty six point two OHO, and

594
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: then Junior Sayout was number five at one twenty one

595
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: point nine to eight. Uh. The average outside linebacker scores

596
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: one o three for a Hall of Famer. For a

597
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 3: Hall of famer, Khalil Mack right under that, right now

598
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: at one oh one point five. Von Miller's at one

599
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: hundred point four to eight. The three guys after him

600
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: on this list are all in. Derek Thomas is going

601
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: to go to Yeah, Derek Thomas, Kevin Green, de Marcus

602
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: Ware all in the Hall of Fame. Then you get

603
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: the Terrell Suggs at ninety five point three.

604
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: He didn't get in this year. He didn't get in

605
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: this year, Alan did.

606
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: Uh. Then you got Larry Grantham at eighty five point five,

607
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: and then TJ. Wa It's seventy seven point five to five,

608
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: still and still churning. He's gonna be a top ten

609
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: all time guy on this one.

610
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I remember we did this like too many camps ago,

611
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: so it was like two seasons ago and him and

612
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Mahomes had like the exact same case. Yeah, I mean

613
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: they really had like comparable Mahomes had more playoff stuff,

614
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, but their numbers were about the same

615
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: compared to their respective positions.

616
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: If you look at what what has done again in

617
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: terms of the eight seasons as a starter, seven time

618
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl player, four time first team All Pro. Everybody

619
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: else around him on this list has played at least

620
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: ten years. The average Hall of Famer plays twelve.

621
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Wow, will be for him?

622
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: This is his eight season.

623
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: This is eight.

624
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this would be nine, okay. Huh so when

625
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: people talk about people talking about him, well, you know,

626
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: he's almost at the end of his career. The again,

627
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: the average Hall of Fame edge rush outside linebacker place

628
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: twelve years.

629
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: Place twelve years again yeah, Lordnce.

630
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Taylor played thirteen.

631
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I meant say it's about Cam too. Getting that

632
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: first team All Pro this year helps your case out

633
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot. I mean, I think Watt was

634
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: a second team All Pro, which is still really helps

635
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: your case, but.

636
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: Not as much as the first because they only list

637
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: the first team All pros on here.

638
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh really, he may have a first team or it's

639
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: still in store the next couple.

640
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: Of years, without a doubt, Yeah, without a doubt.

641
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Is Garrett much behind him?

642
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: I know he's behind, don't They list Garrett probably with

643
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: the defensive ends?

644
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, h.

645
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: So Garrett Miles Garrett at seventy four point two when

646
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: we say TJ.

647
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: He was over one hundred, wasn't he?

648
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: He was under TJ's at seventy seven point five to five. Okay,

649
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: so close. Yeah. One was the number one overall pick

650
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: in the draft and the other one was the yeah,

651
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: twenty eighth pick in the draft.

652
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean in the same draft numbers and stats, and

653
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: case is stronger to me.

654
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

655
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

656
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 3: Just looking here at the safety position, they list all

657
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: defensive backs the same, which is kind of weird because

658
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: they do breakdown.

659
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Jack Ham and Lawrence Taylor, Yeah,

660
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: aren't the same.

661
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: Just looking here where micka Fitzpatrick is at on this list.

662
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: I would think he has a lot of work to do.

663
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's at forty one point five to five, but again,

664
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: only six seasons as a starter, so.

665
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: I bet there's not many safeties that they have played

666
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: less ten years. Yeah, define definitely have that longevity.

667
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's just Emma Thomas is the lowest

668
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: rated guy defensive back who's in. He's at fifty two

669
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: point eight five and you're looking at Ken Riley at

670
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: fifty four point eight five. Okay, so he's getting into

671
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: that range. Yeah, yeah. Eric Allen got in. He's a

672
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: fifty eight point nine to five.

673
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: The safeties have been underwhelming that have gone in immediate.

674
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: But these are guys that played eleven. Emma Thomas played

675
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: eleven years, Ken Riley played fifteen, Eric Allen played fourteen.

676
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: You know, these guys hang around. John Lynch played thirteen.

677
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: He's in at sixty four point two eight. Make a

678
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick's going to be by the time he retires, He's

679
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: going to be in that range.

680
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, as long as injuries don't derail it.

681
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: He's as good a player as.

682
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: Some of those. Again, I think again they're Hall of famers.

683
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: That's great, but they didn't blow me away. As John

684
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: Lynch is the best safety, he's not in Reed or

685
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Paul Hall or you know, I mean, Brian Dawkins was

686
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: better than those guys.

687
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: So Donnie Shell finished at sixty eight point eight eight.

688
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: And he got in and he took Veterans Committee is

689
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: a little different obviously. Well, last Steeler. Note, where is

690
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers? I think Rogers Rodgers in now,

691
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: I know that, but I'm just curious where they stack up.

692
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: And quarterback's a different world.

693
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson the average Hall of famers at one oh eight. Okay,

694
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson right now is at ninety three point sixty five.

695
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: But again, you got Tom Brady at six three point

696
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: oh three. Peyton Manning's a two fifty seven point eight zero. Wow,

697
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: they skew the How many MVPs is Manning have? I

698
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: think three or four? Yeah. Number three on the list

699
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: is Aaron Rodgers.

700
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: And I'd say Rodgers has to be top five.

701
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: He's at one ninety seven point twenty six. He's ahead

702
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: of Montana, He's ahead of Brett Farve, He's ahead Johnny Unitas,

703
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: He's ahead of Joe Montana. Yeah, Drew Brees, John Elway,

704
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: Dan Marino, f Tarkanden Steve four for Rogers. Yeah, that's

705
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: pretty remarkable.

706
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know if Wilson's going to get

707
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: in Rogers could have retired five years ago.

708
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wilson never first team All Pro, that's going to

709
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: hurt him, but he does.

710
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: The last couple of years are going to hurt him.

711
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve twelve years as a starter, ten is a

712
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl player. That's going to help. And he's still

713
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: going to compile. Like he's right behind Terry Bradshaw.

714
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: What's the quarterback average?

715
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: The quarterback average is one oh eight. Where's Mahomes? Mahomes

716
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: as we speak, is at well, where is he? Oh,

717
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: there is one oh two point.

718
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Zero, So he's still below the A.

719
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: He's still below the average, but he's ahead, just moved

720
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: past Ben Roethlisberger. In fact, Ben Roethlisberger's at one one

721
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: hundred point two eight.

722
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: His case is crazy. I wonder where Lamar and Allen are.

723
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean Lamar is at eighty one point.

724
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Four, okay, so he's there on the road.

725
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Allen is at sixty point one three okay,

726
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: because he's never been a first team All Pro and

727
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: he hasn't wont to.

728
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: See and he won the MVP last year, but it

729
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: wasn't a first team Allpro No, I mean, so I

730
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: wonder I mean Lamar got first Team All Pro, Allen

731
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: got the MVP. They're probably about equal weight, and most

732
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: times you get both. Yeah, you know, if you get one,

733
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you almost always get the other. Yeah, so I think

734
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: they're both going.

735
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: Allen just moved past Jim Kelly on the all time list.

736
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Kelly was great, but I think Allen's the best Bills

737
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: quarterback ever.

738
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, different area, different era. Yeah, right, anyways, let's get

739
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale LOLLI.

740
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,680
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741
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,680
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742
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,000
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743
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,000
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746
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120
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747
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,680
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748
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749
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,160
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751
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolly. We'll be back to finish up the

752
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: show right after this.

753
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: He is the Drive with Dale Lolly. And Matt Williamson

754
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

755
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Speaker 2: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: Welcome back. I am he is the Matt Williamson and Matt,

757
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 3: I gotta ask you this question, all right, bringing home.

758
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: If an NFL head coach taught a class at a

759
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: nearby university or any university, would you sign up for

760
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: that class? Yeah?

761
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: I would have as a three year old, a thirteen

762
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: year old, a twenty three year old, a thirty three

763
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, yeah, I mean any portion of my life.

764
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: I would have absolutely.

765
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: Because according to Sam Farmer and Gary Klein of the

766
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: La Times and No, Sam's got family in Newcastle. He's

767
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: been on our show at the Combine before. Pete Carroll

768
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: has continued to teach a class at USC. Yeah, that's

769
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: what he was doing when he was out of football.

770
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: He has continued teaching that class while head coach of

771
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Raiders.

772
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: I assume it's zoom or whatever I mean, he's not.

773
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: The class is called The Game is Life. It has

774
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: three weekly sessions for it's fifty six students. Three hundred

775
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: people applied.

776
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: For bet everyone applied for Yeah, right.

777
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: Here's the cool thing about it. There's so many cool

778
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: things he's had his some of the guests that he's

779
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: had come on to help with the class. Yeah yeah,

780
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: and you're in LA so it helps. Steve Kerr, Jason Psychitis,

781
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: I can't pronounce his last Yeah, yeah, Rain Wilson, who

782
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: is twice shrewd on Okay, on the football people. No,

783
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: he's just bringing in people.

784
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: And just he said what he's in the classes football

785
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: is life or something like that. He said, the game

786
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: is like the game is life. Okay.

787
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: Interesting.

788
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: Sure's a lot of different Carol stories. I mean, maybe

789
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: he's not breaking down blocking angles and footwork and past

790
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: protection and you know, how to run this play or

791
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, cover three zones and things like that, and

792
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: just maybe he's just talking about life. Yeah.

793
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: Apparently he does do something. He's honored his commitment via zoom.

794
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: He's only missed one class and that was during the combine.

795
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: Okay. Somewhere in my attic is a bunch of coaches

796
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: leadership books. I used to be there was a couple

797
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: of years there, probably pre internet, when I was like

798
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: teens twenties. There's a lot of good like leadership books

799
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: out there, and this kind of has that feel to

800
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: it where, yeah, there's a lot of football talk in there,

801
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: but it's like you learn a.

802
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: Lot of stuff in football.

803
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I remember Bobby Bowden's book, Like he said,

804
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: my rule for hiring my staff is they have to

805
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: be incredibly eager and preferably smarter than me, which he's

806
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, he'll laugh at himself. He's like, that's not

807
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: the highest bar to get over. And he's like, I

808
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: can coach them to coach. Yeah, if they have those

809
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: two things, I'll turn them into a tight end coach.

810
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: But if they don't, well then you know, maybe they're

811
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: just there on the ceiling, you know. And a lot

812
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: of his guys went on to be super great head coaches.

813
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I just thought that was interesting. It

814
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: would be interesting, Yeah, that would be fun. Just I'm

815
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: going to Professor Carroll's class, right, incredible, right, And he's

816
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: a high energy guy, and I bet he still is

817
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: a blast. I wonder if the list can they get

818
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: him to sit down for the zoom or does he

819
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: just get up and walk around and you know, and.

820
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a whole set up like this where there's

821
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: cameras everywhere and you know, over there and doing a

822
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: little bit.

823
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: After Raiders take part in this and like, like they're

824
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: video people have got to last time.

825
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I gotta go. I bet they do. I mean,

826
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: if it was Tomlin, don't you think all these folks

827
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: we do videos with would be involved making it look good?

828
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: Perhaps?

829
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know some people. Yeah, absolutely, that's some cool

830
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: guests too.

831
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: I would actually, you know, for the if I'm Pete

832
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: and I'm not, I might have my players like, hey,

833
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: you guys got to sit and watch his class. It's

834
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: part of this, Like this is this is me, this

835
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: is what I'm about Raiders.

836
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Here's my All the classes I taught last year optional,

837
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: but it's optional high preferred.

838
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: If I were a Raider, If I were a Raiders

839
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 3: player and I didn't know anything about Pete Carroll, what's

840
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: he like, I'm.

841
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: Gonna go watch go find it too. I wonder if

842
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's online, I would make it available. I mean,

843
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: even if I didn't attend the class, can we watch

844
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: it now? Probably on YouTube somewhere.

845
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, sure, yeah yeah, although maybe USC has some

846
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: rules on that, rules on that, like it's their intellectual property.

847
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I could see people doing that though, I mean, like

848
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: going into announcing is a lot less work than being

849
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: a head coach, but it's still you're on the road

850
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: and you're prepping for a game and you're on TV.

851
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: So, I mean, we've done shows with Max Starks and

852
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: he talked about he went to the boot camp, Oh yeah,

853
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: for NFL players to go learn about this, and his

854
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: teacher was Greg Cosel. Yeah, one of the people who

855
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: worked with them on that. When we had Greg on

856
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: at the combine and then Max and Greg group. How

857
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: you doing them right? All right?

858
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: You guys know he's broadcast for boot camp. Yeah. I

859
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: thought about getting involved at some point, but I don't

860
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: really want to be a play by play guy or

861
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't really my calling, you know, or

862
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: sitting there with a microphone necessarily doing like halftime show.

863
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: I wrote to this, you know, but I kind of

864
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: looked into it a little bit too. Yeah.

865
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a lot of those kind of opportunities out there.

866
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

867
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: So it's just but I can see coaches doing that.

868
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: I bet he's not the first to teach a class,

869
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: probably not. Probably not.

870
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: On the side the fact that he's still doing it

871
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: in fulfilling commitment while the head coach of the of

872
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: the Raiders, and he's like laid into his seventies, right, Yeah,

873
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: you think Belichick's teaching a class at North Carolina how

874
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: to deal with the media.

875
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I look bright and cheery on camera.

876
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: Shuffle my papers while I'm talking to them on the phone,

877
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: all that fun stuff. Don't answer any questions.

878
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I am real curious what he looks like as a

879
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: college recruiter, head, coach, new organization, all those things. And

880
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: I think there is a hard knocks but I don't

881
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: know that I trust that it's really what you're going

882
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: to see.

883
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But that's crazy about Carol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna do it for today's show. All right,

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Speaker 3: how about that? We'll be back again tomorrow with the

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Speaker 3: Dean of Yeah, that would drop by, and maybe Justin

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Speaker 3: will have some new music for him. Keep throwing different

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Speaker 3: curve balls of Bob. Anyways, for my partner Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 3: for Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller

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Speaker 3: hotline and the soundboard, and for Tyler Venttmeyer making sure

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Speaker 3: the video gets out there on the YouTube. Give us

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Speaker 3: a thumbs up on there. I am Dale Lolly. We

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this edition of The Drive

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