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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Friday,

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Speaker 1: March thirty, first Final four weekend is here. Finally, goodness, gracious,

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting on pins and needles for San Diego

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Speaker 1: State and Florida Atlantic. We'll do best bets here shortly

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Speaker 1: because it's gonna be an abbreviated podcast. We have a

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Speaker 1: good guest. He was here. If you guys remember, I

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Speaker 1: think two years ago and maybe last year, we had

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Speaker 1: him on to talk NFL Draft. He's a former Jets scout.

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Speaker 1: His name is Daniel Kelly. He now writes some for

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Speaker 1: SI dot com. And we had him on and he

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Speaker 1: was just blasting Zach Wilson left and right. But he

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Speaker 1: also blasted Trevor Lawrence, which did not work out so

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Speaker 1: well for him. At any rate, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: this year's quarterback class. He's a Jets guy, so we'll

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Speaker 1: ask about Rogers. I don't want to it, but he is,

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Speaker 1: shall we say, very divergent from what some other folks

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Speaker 1: had said. Daniel Jeremiah was on the pod last week.

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Speaker 1: You guys saw my mock on Fox Sports dot Com. Listen,

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Speaker 1: this is a wild quarterback lass. I don't think anybody's great.

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Speaker 1: The potential is there for a guy or two. But boy,

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Speaker 1: this love for Bryce Young. We shall see. Not much

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Speaker 1: happened in the sporting world on Thursday night, another night

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Speaker 1: where I've been playing chess with my young son. He's twelve,

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Speaker 1: I just know now that we're playing like every other day,

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Speaker 1: he's super aggressive. I'm telling you got it. You gotta

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Speaker 1: I say, you know what, I like my chance is

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Speaker 1: It's fun. Really into bell Air right now, the show

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Speaker 1: second season, loving it. Finally, finally last night started ted

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Speaker 1: Lasso with the Wife no spoilers please. A huge fan

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Speaker 1: of the show. We loved it, and it's just taken

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Speaker 1: some time for us to get through March madness. And

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Speaker 1: dad basketball text chains, I was like, guys, I don't

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Speaker 1: exhausted mentally from coaching three youth basketball games. And I've

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Speaker 1: sleep over it. But that's under the rearview mirror. Spring

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Speaker 1: sports are here, spring break is rapidly approaching, NBA playoffs

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Speaker 1: are approaching. By the way, what happened to the Bucks

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Speaker 1: I put it on Instagram. This hurt. But I was

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Speaker 1: Almost everybody had them. By the grace of I higher power,

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Speaker 1: Second place forty five hundred bucks, third twenty one, seventy

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Jason, thanks for having me back on

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Speaker 1: I like him top ten shot, but number one overall.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting you mentioned that, Jason, because that

425
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Speaker 1: was my number one concern was because I think you're

426
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Speaker 1: touching on something very important is level of competition. And

427
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: when you're looking at these quarterbacks going into you know,

428
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Speaker 1: a top five or a top ten situation, going into

429
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Speaker 1: situations with losing records last year, a lot of deficiencies

430
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: that type of thing. They're not could be playing from

431
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: the you know, the positive side of the scoreboard. A

432
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: lot of time, they'll be playing from behind. So so

433
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Speaker 1: how will he respond to that? And that was a concern.

434
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Speaker 1: I saw another game where he, you know, he kind

435
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Speaker 1: of hung in there a little bit better against I

436
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: forget who it was, but he hung it a little

437
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: bit better any But he wasn't in a lot of

438
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: those situations where he had to come from behind and

439
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: had to rally the team and stuff. So that gave

440
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Speaker 1: me a little bit of pause. Whereas Bryce Young, when

441
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Speaker 1: he was in those type of situations, I couldn't tell

442
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Speaker 1: if they were winning or losing. You know, the way

443
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Speaker 1: that Young played, you know he looked the same either way.

444
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Speaker 1: That's another reason why I gave the slight edge to

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

446
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447
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448
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: FSR to listen live. So I have in my notes,

449
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, keep an ongoing list anytime I get a

450
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: text or talk to somebody. And I saw that there

451
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: were nine folks from the New York Giants at c

452
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Speaker 1: J Stroud's pro day. They were eight from Seattle, fourteen

453
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: from the Panthers. I don't think the pantherson has many

454
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Speaker 1: to Anthony Richardson's which happened today as we record this.

455
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: Anthony richards of course hit the roof with one throw

456
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: on purpose. I think he was saying Will Levis did it,

457
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: so I can do it. And then he started he

458
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: did like a broke out a backflip at some gymnastics move.

459
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: I gotta ask my daughter what it was. But the

460
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: athleticism Richardson has the power. Is this a guy you

461
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: would take a flyer on in the top five? No oo,

462
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: not at all. No, there is it something just way

463
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: too raw? Is I mean, do you not like him

464
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Speaker 1: in the first round at all? Where are you on him?

465
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I have a fifth round grade Anthony Richardson. And the

466
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Speaker 1: reason why here we go, yeah, right, fifth fifth round pick.

467
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is, you know, I just

468
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Bryce Young and how he's,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback first and an athlete second. Richardson,

470
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Speaker 1: to me, the biggest thing that has me hung up

471
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Speaker 1: on him is that he, to me, strikes me as

472
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Speaker 1: an athlete first who's trying to play quarterback, kind of

473
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Speaker 1: like what we saw with Trey Lance when he came

474
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Speaker 1: out of North Dakota State. The thing about Richardson is

475
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Speaker 1: I see the athleticism. I see the things people talk

476
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Speaker 1: positively about with him. But to me, the thing that

477
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: scares me the most about Anthony Richardson is he looks

478
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: like he tends to hold the ball too long, and

479
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: to me, it's like he's having trouble being able to

480
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: figure out what he's looking at down field. So when

481
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: we see him kind of scrambling and moving all around

482
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: and everything, to me, he's creating his own druma a

483
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: lot of it when he when he does that. Uh.

484
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Speaker 1: The other thing to a couple of different things about

485
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Speaker 1: about Richardson to give me pause is the you know,

486
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: number one, he has inconsistent ball placement down field that

487
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: scares me quite a bit. And also too, he tends

488
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: to throw a lot of dangerous passes. In the film

489
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Speaker 1: Exposure I watched, there's a couple two three passes in

490
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: every game that maybe they're maybe they are intercepted, maybe

491
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: they're not, but a defense gets gets their hands on

492
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Speaker 1: the ball. And I think when you're talking about going

493
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Speaker 1: into a team, whether it's a bottom fifteen sixteen team, potentially,

494
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, these are a type of throws well for

495
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: any team really, but especially for a team that's struggling.

496
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: These are a type of throws that can make or

497
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Speaker 1: break a game. And then also to the thing I

498
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: know is watching him and studying him on the film,

499
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: was he struggles most under pressure, whether that is the

500
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: pass rush in his face or in a game situation,

501
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: he tends to really press uh and that that could

502
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: be an issue as well. And as a runner, it's

503
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: something where I didn't feel like, you know, I wasn't

504
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: watching Lamar Jackson. I wasn't watching you know, a Michael

505
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Vicker or a Randall Cunningham or somebody like that running around.

506
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Speaker 1: To me, it seemed like he was able to take

507
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Speaker 1: what was there to take. But it wasn't somebody that

508
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: was overly elusive or somebody that was good. I mean,

509
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Speaker 1: it's not like a elite Cunningham. Let's let's you know,

510
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Speaker 1: if I could put it that way, a guy who's

511
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Speaker 1: an elite type of runner. It's so those the combination

512
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Speaker 1: of those type of things, and then the additional fact. Now,

513
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of times people will say, well, you can't

514
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Speaker 1: be a stats scout, and I completely agree with that

515
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: is but the stats to me sometimes confirm the evaluation,

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and it scares that. It really scares me when I

517
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: look at Richardson and see last year a fifty three

518
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Speaker 1: point eight percent completion percentage at Florida, and then I

519
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: go back and I look at him in high school

520
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: and see a fifty I think a fifty three point

521
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: two percent or somewhere in that area. I think, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: so this is a guy that's never completed over fifty

523
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: three percent of us passes at any level. Now we're

524
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: going to ratchet it up and go into the NFL,

525
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: where the game is, as we know, is a lot

526
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: more complex. It's a lot faster, and like we talked

527
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Speaker 1: about those quarterbacks coming in twenty one, if he does

528
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Speaker 1: end up in a situation where somebody takes him high

529
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Speaker 1: in the first round, now he has that pressure on

530
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: top of it to come in. There's no time to develop,

531
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: there's no time to do anything besides get under center

532
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: with a team that's not that good to begin with,

533
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: with all the pressure on him, and let's go. Let's

534
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: see how it works out. And that to me is

535
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. I've totally spaced about Malik cunning him.

536
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, a secon, where do I know that

537
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: the Louisville quarterback who is yes, really elusive? Yeah, so

538
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: I did look up the numbers on Richardson. Yes, fifty

539
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: three percent completion's very Josh Allen like of him. I

540
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: will point out Josh Allen and Wyoming. Of course, the if, like,

541
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: if we're gonna overreact to one game of Stroud against Georgia,

542
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: why aren't we giving the benefit of the doubt to

543
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: mister Richardson. If you watch a the game against Utah

544
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: where he was unbelievable on the ground eleven for one

545
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: oh six three touchdowns. And then the game against Tennessee,

546
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: they lost, and they fought hard. Tennessee, by the way,

547
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: was undefeated for much of the season. He threw for

548
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty yards two touchdowns and then rushed

549
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: for two more touchdowns at just an unbelievable game. Like

550
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: he's basically out there by himself keeping the team in

551
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: the game. And again, I know those are stats, and

552
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not scouting off the stats, but just the potential

553
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: upside for this guy. Again, he's got twelve starts under

554
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: his belt, like people forget and I know this is

555
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: going to sound crazy. When Patrick Mahomes came into you know,

556
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: he was coming out of Texas Tech, it's like, oh yeah,

557
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: this guy put up monster numbers at Texas Tech in

558
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 1: the Big twelve where they played like Arena league defense.

559
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: And then you know it's like, well it's got a

560
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: good arm. Okay, fine, and he drops to ten. The

561
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: Chiefs trade up. He sits for an entire year, so

562
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: he gets a year to sit, and then he gets

563
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. I mean, you know this that could anybody

564
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: have it any more perfect than Patrick Mahomes. You get

565
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: a year to sit and then you get one of

566
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: the best offensive coaches ever. Any of the quarterbacks going

567
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: this year ain't getting anywhere close to that. And I

568
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: say this because of the Drew Brees. Oh well, Drew

569
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Brees is a small quarterback. Oh you mean the guy

570
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: who's drafted the second round, didn't really work out the

571
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: first few years, had an injury, then lands in New

572
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Orleans with this guy named Sean Payton and boom, Like,

573
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: doesn't circumstance matter almost as much as talent? Hey can?

574
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Hey can. That's why I try to watch as much

575
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: films as possible, is because it's the more film, the

576
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: better on these guys. Because what it's not the one off,

577
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: whether it's positive or a negative, that I'm looking for.

578
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking for patterns and tendencies over an extended period

579
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: of time that keeps showing up. And that's where I see, Like,

580
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: to me, it's like it looks like to your point, yeah,

581
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: there there was. There was some good play, there was

582
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: good games. That's why you know people are looking him

583
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: like this naturally. But to me, it's like there was

584
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: enough consistency there of Okay, the bomb line with him

585
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: is I don't think he can read defenses. That that's

586
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: that's my big thing with him. And so if he's

587
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: having trouble reading defenses and has a fifty three point

588
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: eight percent completion percentage of Florida, what's that going to

589
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: look like against the forty nine Ers or the Vikings

590
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: or the Bears. That that's my challenge. Number one challenge

591
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: with Richardson is how is that going to play out?

592
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: And then will he stop doing those dangerous passes? Because

593
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: the dangerous passes will get him on the bench faster

594
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: than anything else. In my mind, where are you on

595
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Jordan Love possibly starting for the Packers? He's had a

596
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: many years to sit he I think he led the

597
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: country in interceptions when he was coming out of college.

598
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, is this a guy you think you'd come

599
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: in and get the package to the playoffs or there's

600
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: going to be a bit of a curve. I do.

601
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen on Jordan Love in preseason action.

602
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a lot of him, but I do

603
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: think that he provides enough of a dual threat and

604
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: he can move round back there. In the preseason games,

605
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: I have seen a Jordan Love. He's seemed like he

606
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: knew what he was what he was doing back there.

607
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm excited for the Green Bay Packers fans

608
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: for what they had to look forward with Jordan Love. Really,

609
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: that's yeah a surprise. All right. Let me give you

610
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: a scenario. Culture at four, Anthony Richardson is on the

611
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: board the way you look at it, could we could

612
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: we draft Richardson at four? We don't intend to start him.

613
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: We roll out Gardner Minshew who knows Shane Steikin from Philly,

614
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: and you know what, we're going to make the best

615
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: of it. If we are a four win team, all right, great,

616
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: then we're in the mix for the number one or

617
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: number two pick. If we have managed to win six

618
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: or seven and Richardson showing us, hey, he could be

619
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: the guy in the future. Maybe there's something there. And

620
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: you start to build around a guy on a rookie quarterback,

621
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: you've got multiple years left. Where are you on that

622
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: game plan for the Colts? Because like a tanking, you know,

623
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: people keep saying all the Jets don't get Rogers, they

624
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: should just tank like that. Robert Sale is not tanking.

625
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: He will be fired, the GM will be fired. But

626
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: the Colts coach just got there. Shik's Sikons brand new

627
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: is that you think that's in player. You still like Listen,

628
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I got a fifth round grade. I would never do that. Yeah,

629
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: the latter I have a fifth round grade. I would

630
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: I would never do that. She's not a fan at all.

631
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Let me give you another name, the kid out of TCU,

632
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Max Duggan. I have heard good things. I like him.

633
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: I think if there's any quarterback after the first round, second, third, fourth,

634
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how long he's gonna last. There's a

635
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: guy with multiple years starts under his belt. He's mobile

636
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Speaker 1: and elusive. I don't think he's like gonna like the

637
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: world on fire or be the next major superstar. But

638
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: if you're talking about a quarterback on a rookie deal

639
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: the way Jalen Hurts, the similarities between Hurts and Duggan

640
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: are actually kind of decent um when you look at

641
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: amount of the amount of starts they've had, the winning

642
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: background that they have. There are a lot of questions

643
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: about Hurts Max Duggan. Is there a scenario where he becomes,

644
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, not not quite brock Purty, where a seventh

645
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: round guy you're surrounded with awesomeness. But Jalen Hurts could

646
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: could he be a Jalen Hurts in the NFL. That's

647
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: a pens I'm on offense about about Max Duggan, I

648
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I do. The thing I like

649
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: most about him is how aggressive he was throwing the

650
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: ball down field, and I like his mobility. But I

651
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: think that he's a he's a developmental project, something along

652
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: the lines of it's going to take a couple. I

653
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: think it takes. In all fairness, I think it takes

654
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys a good couple two to

655
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: three years to really figure out the game. Um, you know,

656
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: and especially for the upper round guys, say, you know,

657
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: a brock Purty is kind of an interesting study for

658
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: me because, you know, he had no pressure, no expectations.

659
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 1: He was able to come in and I think that

660
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of helped him in a way versus a lot

661
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: of these guys that come in top five, top ten,

662
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: first second round. I think there's so much pressure on

663
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: these guys. It's a different game than it was twenty

664
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: years ago or thirty years ago, or even even longer

665
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: than that. It's a different game where guys just don't

666
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: have the luxury of being able to sit on the

667
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: bench and learn and study and be able to, you know,

668
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like it because the game is much

669
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: different than the college game. Not only the size of

670
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: the football different. I mean it's a larger football right

671
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but then it is in the college

672
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: regulation size football, but also just the speed of the

673
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: game and the complexity of the game and the complexity

674
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: of the defenses and everything that they're seeing. I think

675
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of these guys, you know, that

676
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: long just to get a handle on what they're doing.

677
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at up Max Duggan forty three starts in college,

678
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts forty two. Jalen Hurts looks like he got

679
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: to the NFL at a round twenty two. Max Duggan

680
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: currently is twenty two, just turned twenty two this month.

681
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, again, these are not incredible markers, but

682
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: the similarities are there a lot of college starts mobile

683
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: age because every time anybody brings up well, Bryce Young,

684
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Drew Brees was small, Like, that's not an apples to

685
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: apples taking Bryce Young number one for sister Drew Brees.

686
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: Are there any other quarterbacks that you kind of like

687
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: in this draft who are not on everyone else's radar?

688
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: I like Jaren Hall on a by y Okay. Yes, So,

689
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I think to me, Jaren Hall could be who everybody

690
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: had thought Zach Wilson was supposed to be if he's

691
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: given enough time to develop a little bit. I have

692
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: a second round grade on Jaren Hall. There there's a

693
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: lot that's he's a true dual threat quarterback that can

694
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: move around. He's got some looseness and running ability to him. Us.

695
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: I like the fact how he battles back and games.

696
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: When he's down, he never gives up and he keeps throwing.

697
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: There's some issues with um uh you know, be able

698
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball quickly as far as

699
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: some inconsistency as far as the release times concerned. There's

700
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: some inconsistency as far as ball placement's concerned. But I

701
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: think that if a team were to bring in a

702
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: Jaron Hall in the second round and put him behind

703
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: an established starter, at at least they would have a

704
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: quality backup that could come in and spark a team

705
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: if need be. Um I also like Jake Hayner out

706
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: of Fresno. Yeah, I like what I've seen out of him.

707
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I have a third round grade on Jake. I think

708
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: that he's got he's got upside. He's another guy that

709
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: runs round back there and it's kind of a gun

710
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: slinger mentality. He's an aggressive thrower and he's a mobile guy. Um.

711
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: I think he'll make a quality backup the Starness League.

712
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, a guy you can put at number two

713
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: and bring along. I also like the the guy out

714
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: of Purdue I aid an Ocunnel, um, and I like

715
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: him in the in the fourth round. Is a great

716
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: at placed on him. I would be very interested to

717
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: see if like the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, we're talking

718
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. You know, that could be a perfect

719
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to come along, you know, you know,

720
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: behind Lawrence, and that could give Jacksonville a real high

721
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: quality backup. The thing I like about those guys, Jason,

722
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: is they are all pro style quarterbacks. And when I

723
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: watch a quarterback, whoever it is, on game film, uh,

724
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: you know that, the number one question that keeps going

725
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: through my mind is how does this skill set translate

726
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: to the NFL and what we've seen work in the NFL.

727
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: And and of course I'm also a huge fan of

728
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham. That's my number one prospect who I feel

729
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: is flying underneath the radar right now. I actually have

730
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: a first round grade on Belie cunning him. I've done

731
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: ten games to him on a Louisville To me, he

732
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: had a Now I understand he played longer Louisville than

733
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but he had a higher quarterback rade than

734
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Lamar did Louisville. He had a higher completion percentage Lamar

735
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: did at Louisville, and he had a higher yards per

736
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: completion than than Lamar Jackson did at Louisville. To me,

737
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: and people say, well, you know, you know Cunningham, he

738
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot. That's the big knock the criticism

739
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: on him. He played him fifty six out of sixty

740
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: two games. And to me, when I talk about translating

741
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: to the next level, he has four characteristics um that

742
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: that translates very well to the next level. To me,

743
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: Number one, he processes rather quickly. Number two, he's got

744
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: good ball placement. Number three he's got good ball protection. Me,

745
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't take a lot of wild and crazy chances

746
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: with the ball. He's you know, he calculates his throws.

747
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: And number four, which gives him the biggest advantage is

748
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: he's the best running quarterback in the entire classy by far.

749
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean this, this guy is everything. Lamar Jackson ad

750
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is on his feet. Wow. Um. So one

751
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: thing I just looked in checking the age of these guys.

752
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: Jared Hallo by US twenty five. He had his warmon mission.

753
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Molik Cunningham is twenty four. And then let me see

754
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: you on this Aidan O'Connell out of Perdue. This is

755
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: a guy who is twenty four. So interesting. All three

756
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: of these guys are elder statesman. But I didn't hear

757
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned Hendon Hooker. Are you not a fan of

758
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: miss Hooker? I am, Actually I'm glad you brought him up.

759
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: I am because I have a first round. I was

760
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: just thinking about more developmental guys. But Hennon Hooker is

761
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I have a first round? Great on him. I like

762
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the things I saw about Hendon Hooker,

763
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, before the torn ACL. To me, he reminds

764
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: me a lot of Teddy Bridgewater. And in terms of

765
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting because both him and Bridgewater both

766
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, toward the same left ACL. So I don't

767
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: know quite you know what we're going to see coming

768
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: out of that because I know that Bridgewater was never

769
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: quite the same after the injury. But with with Hendon Hooker,

770
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: to me, the number one thing that strikes me about

771
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: him is his efficiency. He seems to be very smart,

772
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: very efficient, and he's a guy that protects the ball

773
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: very well, doesn't take crazy chances throwing it, puts the

774
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: ball a lot of times where only the receiver has

775
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: a chance to get it. Had had some mobility to

776
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: his game prior to the ACL injury. The big concern

777
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: I have about hend and Hooker, and the reason why

778
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I have him at twenty one right now in my

779
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: first round value board, is because his mechanics he throws it.

780
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: He's a very He has a very tightly wound, a

781
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: very you know, just a compact delivery that he seems

782
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: to rely on. And what happens is as he's winding

783
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: up and doing this, it's almost like he was taught

784
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: to how to throw the ball. So the trajectory normally

785
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: is about the same every time it's he basically stares

786
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: at the receiver he's going to throw live for an

787
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: extra moment. That's my fear and concern about hend And

788
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Hooker because we all know in the NFL. An extra

789
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: moment or two can be the difference between completing a

790
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: pass and ending up on Sports Center for you know,

791
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: on the highlights for the wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Hooker.

792
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: I loved him, and then against Georgia it was I mean,

793
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: I think it was raining, but still he looked totally confused.

794
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: It was a rough game for him and in the ACL. So, um,

795
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: all right, look listen, this is interesting. So fifth round

796
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: grade on Anti Richardson for those scoring at home, first

797
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: round grade Malik Cunningham and Hendon Hooker. Yes, wow, that's harsh.

798
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: I guess we could get out of here. Um, Daniel

799
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: with this. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. Now you know

800
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm a Jets fan. You're wearing a Jets hat as

801
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: we record this. Um, you love it? You hate it?

802
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Your thoughts? I hate it? I hate it? Yeah, yeah, no,

803
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. We're on the same page there. I

804
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: hate it, And the reason why I hate it is, well,

805
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons. Number one, I think that

806
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: you know Aaron Rodgers to me as as you know,

807
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't like what I've seen of him over the

808
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: last two three years. As far as the I think

809
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: the quarter of a position, by by trade is a

810
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: very selfless position, where you know, it's a team leadership position.

811
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: I don't think Rogers is there anymore. I think he's

812
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: become a lot more selfish in nature. So I'm concerned

813
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: about that as far as a leadership is, you know,

814
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: as far as a leader's concern. But the big concern

815
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: I have with the Jets is that to me, Joe

816
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Douglas doesn't have any idea how an offensive line out there. Uh,

817
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: that offensive line is horrendous. I mean they're talking about

818
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: all these skill position guys are going to have everything.

819
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I look at that line and I've read a number

820
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: of articles for SI Jets about this line situation. I mean,

821
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: they have hopes that Mikai Beckton is coming back at tackle.

822
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, after two years on the shelf, they got

823
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: they got Dwayne Brown at thirty seven, thirty eight years

824
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: old with a bum shoulder behind him. They got Max Mitchell,

825
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: you know who had the blood cloud issue. At the

826
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: other tackle position, they got Lake and Thomlinson. The grated

827
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: out really poorly even by PFF standards. At left guard,

828
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: they don't really have a viable center. Uh, you know,

829
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: their depth is I mean, Elijah or a Tucker is

830
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: very good, but he's one person. Yeah, the depth, the

831
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: depth is just nonexistent. So to me, it's like you

832
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: take a thirty nine year old quarterback and put him

833
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: in a city who's like a statue at that age,

834
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: and you put him behind that offensive line in New York.

835
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that just that that's a disaster.

836
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: I really truly don't see Rogers even making it through

837
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: three or four weeks behind that line. I mean, I

838
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: know him and Zach Wilson are great buddies, and I

839
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: think that's that's you know, that's that's why this is

840
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: whipping up like that. But yeah, I think that's going

841
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: to be an absolute disaster if Rogers goes out to

842
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: New York. Boy way to get me excited for it, Daniel,

843
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: see's goodness, Grace. Now, you're right though, I agree with

844
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: a lot of that, and then Rogers doesn't come back,

845
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: you get shafted with the pick anyways, Daniel Kelly, former

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Speaker 1: Jet scout, good stuff. Daniel thinks again, and you know, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll do a post mortem at some point, especially with

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's off the jet will definitely have you have

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Speaker 1: you back off of that sounds good, Jason, Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: great being on the show with you. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for having me on