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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. I am

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Speaker 2: here at chatting with Blake Moins right now, and I

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Speaker 2: was just like, all this stuff that we're chatting about

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Speaker 2: needs to be recorded. I just found out that Blake,

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Speaker 2: who has been on three seasons, has never been to

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Speaker 2: the Bachelor Mansion and he's experienced three different hosts. That

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Speaker 2: is quite unique.

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Speaker 3: It is, it is right. I mean, I've always think

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Speaker 3: when you watch the show, I've always been like, that

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Speaker 3: would be so cool. A people talk about bachel mansion

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Speaker 3: bats mans. She's like, I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what you're talking about. I don't know what that room

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Speaker 3: you're talking about. I don't know this, but yeah, so

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Speaker 3: cool to like go through seasons with three different hosts

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Speaker 3: all like do it in a different way. But it

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Speaker 3: was just yeah, interesting that I've I guess been around

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, because you're in two hotels,

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Speaker 2: because you were on the traveling seasons of the Bachelor

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Speaker 2: Hout and then you had yeah good Chris as the

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Speaker 2: host of the Taysha Claire season and then the Girls

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Speaker 2: as the host of Katie season and then just Jessie Palmer.

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Speaker 2: So of all three of those, what's been your most

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Speaker 2: favorite experience? I mean, is that weird you got engaged?

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Speaker 2: Is it's probably a weird question to ask. I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: Katie's was your best experience or do you look at

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Speaker 2: it in a different way, like in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of like the different hosts you're just saying experiences in.

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Speaker 2: You know, just experiences, because you have had three totally

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Speaker 2: diverse experiences.

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Speaker 3: Of that, I think the most fun was the first

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Speaker 3: season I did, just because it was so new and

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Speaker 3: so yeah, that was exciting, you know, that was exciting,

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Speaker 3: and like, you know, it was like what you saw

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Speaker 3: to give is Chris Harrison. It just felt very extreme.

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Speaker 3: I think the most fun was Paradise, but the most

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Speaker 3: intense was Keith.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yes, yes, all right, so I can kind

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Speaker 2: of relate, like my first season was really fun with Chrystals,

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Speaker 2: and it was probably because I just wasn't like that

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Speaker 2: emotionally invested and like everything is so sparkly and exciting.

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Speaker 2: And then the most like the rights experienced, the most

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Speaker 2: emotional was Paradise. Yeah, so okay, I have so much

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about. About Paradise. Okay, so Ben

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Speaker 2: and I have been really confused by a lack of

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Speaker 2: like storylines seeming together. Sure, So do you feel the

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Speaker 2: same watching it back? Do you feel like, oh, that

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Speaker 2: needed more explanation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think as a as a viewer,

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Speaker 3: you could definitely see there's some piece missing. I think

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Speaker 3: there's a couple episodes back where even like the Jen

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Speaker 3: situation where I went on a date with Jen, there

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Speaker 3: wasn't really much explained as to you know, there are

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Speaker 3: certain things like that I think that that were missed.

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Speaker 2: Well, what happened there? Tell us what did happen between

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Speaker 2: you guys?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I mean the way I try to best explain

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Speaker 3: it is I had a really great time with Jen

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Speaker 3: on that date, and I was able to like compartmentalize

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Speaker 3: you know, really took my mind away from that, which

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Speaker 3: what was she thinking? Like who did did she finally

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Speaker 3: explore with Tyler, like there's things that I was also

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Speaker 3: going back to her and my heart, my mind though,

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Speaker 3: was saying Jen, like Jen was making a lot of

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Speaker 2: Okay, So thanks for bringing up another whole storyline for us.

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Speaker 2: We've been wondering, did you and Mercedes know about this

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Speaker 3: I don't know about Mercedes. I do know that j

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Speaker 3: in a conversation that night that you can that that

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Speaker 2: It was brought up and what did She said, did

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Speaker 3: She said that because I pressed her. I was like, listen,

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Speaker 3: I didn't go on this date and like tried to

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Speaker 3: And she's like, I did? I did you know? I

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Speaker 3: whatever else she said, the compliments there and that, so

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Speaker 3: she did tell me. She said, it wasn't overwhelmingly something

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Speaker 2: So see, I wish we would have seen that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So just just in your relationship to me never felt

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Speaker 2: you like the entire time you were like we'll see,

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Speaker 3: The difficult part was is that I felt confident and

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, if she'd had felter, you think that you

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Speaker 2: I see a little bit of myself with her. Like

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Speaker 2: you would think that being on the show you would

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I do think that I maybe could have been

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Speaker 3: But maybe in terms of navigating that space, experience helps you,

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like she blamed herself too much for

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Speaker 2: it's okay, like you just it's just not it for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I think I think it's like when

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there's one moment when you're leaving where Kylie

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Speaker 2: Like Kylie was in a relationship one of those stronger ones.

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Speaker 2: What was your friendship?

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Speaker 3: But I became close to a lot of the girls

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Speaker 3: But I can see like she's definitely surprised me, and

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Speaker 2: I was unsure it was like a romantic gesture to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was definitely thrown.

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Speaker 3: So? Sam came down Canadian. I didn't know who she

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the elephant in the room, the Katie

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Speaker 3: a little bit. So I didn't know I needed it.

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00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 3: I probably could have like prepared myself in a sense

440
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: like really get everything off my chest. But I feel

441
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 3: like we really did. I mean, everything we talked about

442
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 3: was the important aspects. We didn't need to dive in

443
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 3: into any bullshit, dig up anything to like watch you do.

444
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 3: It was just like it's okay, forgive you, I get it,

445
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 3: I'm understanding. And so yeah, it was like I was

446
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 3: able to reach up grab that book from like my

447
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: library and close that last chapter and like put that

448
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 3: book in and be like and I can now look

449
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: back on it, open it up and like look back

450
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: at good memories and all those things and not be

451
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: scared to you know, open it up with like bad

452
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: memories to that. If that makes any sense.

453
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: Did you think that you needed the closure as bad

454
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: as you realized.

455
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: Well, I just it was like something was hanging. I

456
00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 3: know that. I think the way that it was left

457
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: was she had reached out to me and left me

458
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 3: lots of different voice notes and things kind of explaining

459
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: and apologizing in the way that things had left off,

460
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: and so I knew that it probably in some way

461
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: was messing with her that Like I just never even

462
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: pretended like I had read it saw anything, although it

463
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: did so like she I know that she how she

464
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: felt and how to apologezed she was, but she didn't

465
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: know really how I was feeling. And so I think

466
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: like it was it was good for her, especially to

467
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: know now okay, now I know, and how closure that

468
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: he's not mad at me, It's fine, he forgives. And

469
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: so I think closure for her was more important to

470
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: the closure for me because I knew I was okay,

471
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: I just hadn't verbilized it to her yet.

472
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Speaker 2: So it's been two years or it was almost two

473
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: years when you guys were filming Paradise. Why did it

474
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: take so long if it seemed to be something that

475
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: both of you desired?

476
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: I see, I didn't. Yeah, I mean I didn't necessarily

477
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 3: I desire it. She probably wanted it more than I did.

478
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: I just knew were as like I in a sense,

479
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: and we were like had control and sense like I

480
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: didn't respond. I don't need to. I don't owe you anything.

481
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you felt like you kind of were on top

482
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: just by doing that.

483
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: I just like was just like I don't need to

484
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: open it up, and there will be a time, like

485
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: there's going to be a time where this happens and

486
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: we run into each other an event or whatever it is,

487
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: Like you know, this world is small, but we're in

488
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: and at that time there'll be enough time where we

489
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: can court, like very mutually respectfully have a conversation. So

490
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: why did it take so long? I mean sure I

491
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 3: could have like randomly called her up or like text

492
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, I'm ready to talk now, but like, yeah,

493
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: it just wasn't a priority either at the same time,

494
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: So that's maybe why I can't tell exactly. I just

495
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 3: like I was not following her, I wasn't seeing any

496
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: of her stuff unless someone sent it to me, Like,

497
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, she wasn't top of mind. So kind of

498
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: how it went, And.

499
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: Just to remind the audience the anger that Blake had

500
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: was because she jumped into a relationship with John Hersey

501
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: right after their breakup and he was on her season

502
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: as well. Okay, yes exactly. So now you guys have

503
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: seen each other since it was an event of yours

504
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: in San Diego. How did how'd that go? And how

505
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: did it come about?

506
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: So the nonprofit partner that I was working with that

507
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 3: we shot the short documentary with is often has an

508
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: office Sandio, so they're hosting it for all their local

509
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: donors and all those things. So I flew in on

510
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: my way home from Indonesia and working in a different

511
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: project there to stop in, and I thought, well, there's

512
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: lots of people obviously in this hub that might want

513
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: to come and support it, and I wasn't going to

514
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: send an invite to everybody but her, regardless if it

515
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: was going to bring some type of attention or make

516
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: it weird in any way for people. We were great

517
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: on the show and that's where we had left it,

518
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: and we had texted a couple times after that like

519
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: just like everything's cool, like you know, very friendly a quarters.

520
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: So I felt okay to extend that invite to her

521
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: as well, and so yeah, she came out and supported.

522
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: It wasn't peered at all. Honestly, it was super easy.

523
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: You know, we picked up where we left off in

524
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 3: a sense of it was just super comfortable, like we

525
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: were like great friends. We're just missing that romantic aspect,

526
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: so it wasn't very weird.

527
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: You mentioned that it was almost kind of nice that

528
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: the conversation happened where you guys started a relationship on

529
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: the Bachelor cameras? Do you do you also think that

530
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: it was good that you had the conversation on TV

531
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: just because, like, to me, it's very weird. I feel

532
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: like I can have my most vulnerable conversations in that space.

533
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: It does bring something out of you. I don't know

534
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: that I would have let myself get there like that

535
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: deep if I wasn't there, Like even like Jared and

536
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: I went to Paradise last year and we had a

537
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: conversation there that like we barely ever have in real life.

538
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: Right right, m hmm, just makes you get that, well,

539
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: this is It's it's interesting right because I think, you know,

540
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: I know how much growth have happened to be on

541
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: the show because you're forced to do things you typically wouldn't.

542
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: You have to get vulnerable or you can't get anywhere

543
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: with you know, wherever you're pursuing, so you learn to

544
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: do it there. That's where you learn it. And so

545
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: when you're back there, it's like it's just like I'm

546
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: back in class again, like and it's you know what

547
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's almost like it's easy to emote

548
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: there because it's natural and they are used to doing

549
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: it as well, So you know that you can have

550
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: a vulnerable conversation because that's how you did it in

551
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: the first place. So like it's easier to do in

552
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: that environment. I don't That's the way I kind of

553
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 3: try to explain.

554
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: It is exactly the way I feel, And I wish

555
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: that everybody out there listening could have a place where

556
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: they could do it too, with their partners. Perhaps it's

557
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: like a therapy room. I mean probably like the most

558
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: the easiest comparison is probably a therapist.

559
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: It really is it truly? Is? It truly is? And

560
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: even if and even if there's not you know, a

561
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: necessarily producer that's trying to the conversation itself in that environment,

562
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: it's like you just know that this you have this

563
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: one shot and this opportunity to talk about the thing

564
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: you want to talk about, so get it out right now.

565
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: And it's just like you're kind of forced in that

566
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: environment to do those things. So it's such a weird thing,

567
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's where we learned it, and so I

568
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: think we feel comfortable in doing it. There.

569
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Speaker 2: After having such a vulnerable conversation, it seemed like Katie

570
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: was a little confused in her feelings. Somebody in the

571
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: interview room asked her, do you still love him? And

572
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: she seemed tempted to say, yes, How did that make

573
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: you feel? Watching back?

574
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, I think naturally pulls on

575
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: the hearts strings a little bit because I do know Katie,

576
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: and like that was a very natural reaction for her,

577
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: So I you know, it was interesting seeing I just

578
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: I certainly didn't know that. Now I try to think

579
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: about I was asked that same question, how I respond

580
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: I would say that, like, you know, when you've been

581
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: through something like that, or if you've been in love

582
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: with somebody, you typically always hold at least a little small,

583
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: you know, soft spot for them in here still, right,

584
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: And so you know, she obviously tapped into that and

585
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: was able to express that, and you know, there will

586
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: always be that little piece there. Right, It's just how

587
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: big is that enough of that to spark anything again? Romantically?

588
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: I know it's not for me in a place. I

589
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: don't think it is for her either, but you know,

590
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: it just made it made it feel real because there's

591
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: always that thing around my season, like where you default

592
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: and all these things, and you know the way that

593
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: she jumped so quickly to John, it was like multiple

594
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: things made me feel like was this all just a

595
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: fucking you know what I mean? And so seeing that

596
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: reaction there just kind of brings it home a little

597
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: bit for me that like that was real. It was

598
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: pure so interesting, interesting for sure. Maybe yeah it's yeah interesting, Yeah.

599
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's nice that you were able to feel

600
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: that afterward. Definitely it was real. My final question for you,

601
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: I guess, is just could you ever see yourself revisiting

602
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: that or did what happened in the aftermath just kind

603
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: of possibly possibly ruined any sort of reconciliation for you.

604
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm definitely I'm pretty not that I

605
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: create like a standard or like a procedure in terms

606
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: of how I deal with break us some things. But

607
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: I you know, it's easy I think to look back

608
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: and all the benefits and the positives and the great

609
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: things that Tony, but there was reasons why we didn't work,

610
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: and so you know, I don't. We're in a place

611
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: right now where like A really value that friendship and

612
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: someone who's going to be in my corner likewise that

613
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: I would be for her. And so to open that

614
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: can of worms again to see what we could do

615
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: different to try and make it happen, I just don't

616
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: see that being something that it's worthwhile on both of

617
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: our ends. When I feel like I have a really

618
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: close friend that would be honest with me, tell me

619
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: everything how she felt, thought a felt, and there's only

620
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: so many people you get like that in your life,

621
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Speaker 3: So like I don't want to ruin that. I don't

622
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: think she does either, And so we're in a great

623
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: place right now friendship wise, and I think it should

624
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: probably stay that way.

625
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, Blake, thank you so much for coming on

626
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: here and feeling us in and telling us all like

627
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: the secrets and the deep feelings. We really appreciate it.

628
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: This is how we sign off, so please sign off

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Speaker 2: with me. Yeah, until next time I've been Ashley.

630
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: Until next time I've been Ashley.

631
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Speaker 2: Okay, therry gout. That's amazing. That was better than I

632
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: could have ever imagined because it's really supposed to be.

633
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: I've been blake, but that works. Oh, Ashley, that's cute.

634
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Speaker 2: We like that now. I'm gonna pull that on bed

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Speaker 2: next time we record. All right, see you like. Thank

636
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Speaker 2: you so much, Thank you, take care bye you do

637
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Speaker 2: all right.

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