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Speaker 4: Good morning, we have a girls show. Welcome to Breaking

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Speaker 4: Points at Crystal. How are you doing this morning?

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to be here with you, Emily. I

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Speaker 1: love your vibe. The way you start is so different

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Speaker 4: I also like, I'm just not realizing that producer Mac

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Speaker 4: gave us specific mugs for each show. I have the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the indeed we do.

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Speaker 4: We're just absolutely going full steam ahead this morning.

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Speaker 6: Big show.

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Speaker 4: Yes, great guess coming up in the A. By the way,

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Speaker 4: to break down this huge news about the Trump trial.

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Speaker 4: The jury is quite literally out right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So this is the one Trump trial that actually is

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Speaker 1: likely to happen for election day, and the jury is deliberating.

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Speaker 1: So we've got Bradley Moss coming back on the show

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Speaker 1: to tell us what he made of the cases that

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Speaker 1: So we'll get all of that for you as we

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Speaker 1: await a verdict. We also have a bunch of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four news on both sides of the aisle. So

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Speaker 1: Trump just like shamelessly courting billionaires and promising them whatever

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Speaker 1: same time, Democrats have just bailed on doing a live

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Speaker 1: actual nomination process. They have announced they're going to do

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Speaker 1: it online, So get into that and why that is

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Speaker 1: no surprise. They're afraid of protesters, et cetera. Got a

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Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting to get into. And even Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 1: Ditty's legal trouble appears to be escalating, their preparing for

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Speaker 5: We asked Bradley Moss if.

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Speaker 1: He would speak to that as well, and he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: and turn to the Trump trial and what is going

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Speaker 1: on there. So we are very fortunate to be joined

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Speaker 1: by legal expert Bradley MOSSI is here to break down

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Speaker 5: Great to see is always.

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Speaker 3: Bradley, absolutely always having to join.

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Speaker 1: I got a tear sheet here talking about what could

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Speaker 1: he would go and be reviewed by York City's Department

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Speaker 1: but Bradley really wanted to get your assessment to start

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Speaker 7: Sure, so, the prosecution I think did more or less

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Speaker 7: to these falsification of the records and the underlying intent,

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Speaker 3: He's not the greatest witness on the planet.

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Speaker 7: Which is why the entirety of the prosecution's case came

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Speaker 3: That was the prosecution's burden. That was their job to do.

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Speaker 7: I think they did a pretty decent job at it,

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Speaker 7: certainly enough to likely convict when it came to the

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Speaker 7: not that yes it happened, but here's why it's not

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Speaker 7: was all about personal embarrassment. It was the affair never happened.

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Speaker 7: This was all just extortion and Trump knew nothing about anything.

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Speaker 7: That was their approach. I don't think that was necessarily

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Speaker 4: Oh interesting, And yeah, there was I saw you actually

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Speaker 4: The jury is continuously deliberating today. What did you make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so far, you know, we're just trying to

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Speaker 7: We're trying to get into the minds of jurors, and

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Speaker 7: But from what we saw from the notes, the information

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Speaker 3: Dating back of twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 7: That speaks more to that intent element, that secondary part

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Speaker 7: So if you are trying to infer where the jury's

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Speaker 7: was falsification of the business records, at least the misdemeanor.

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Speaker 7: if they have a verdict today or if it goes into.

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Speaker 1: A yeah, what is your set? I mean, obviously none

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Speaker 1: especially given the fact that already yesterday we're getting these

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Speaker 7: So it'd be interesting to see one well, you know,

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Speaker 7: takes to go through. But if you're Donald Trump right now,

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Speaker 7: you want lengthy, lengthy deliberations. The longer this takes, the

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Speaker 7: there is one or two holdouts that are preventing a

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Speaker 7: my expectation is that's a guilty verdict.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, and I want to ask about this analysis that

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Speaker 1: So if I'm hearing you correctly, you basically think an

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Speaker 6: Is that correct? Which is what McCarthy thinks too, by

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Speaker 1: And so can you walk us through Since you think

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Speaker 1: walk us through, Okay, if he's found guilty, here's what

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Speaker 7: Sure, So, if there's a hung jury, there's two issues.

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Speaker 7: Say, look, they couldn't even get a jury of twelve

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Speaker 7: Trump hating evil liberal communists to convict me. Clearly, these

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Speaker 7: I think it's four years is what he could get

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Speaker 4: Well, and that was just going to be my last

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Speaker 3: And that's fine. It's for some memento who can say

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Speaker 7: He's cut back a lot on what I thought the

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Speaker 1: And if he is convicted, if he has found guilty,

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Speaker 3: That would be up to New York appellate courts.

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Speaker 7: But a lot of this becomes ultimately irrelevant post November

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Speaker 7: Eventually, maybe in twenty twenty nine, he'll almost certainly start

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Speaker 1: All right, last question, so I know you're not going

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Speaker 7: Keep asking me this if I'm sitting at the table

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Speaker 1: Bradley, So great for you taking the time with us

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Speaker 3: Absolutely have a good one.

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Speaker 1: So great to hear Bradley Moss's assessment there. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: question is does this matter politically. CNN's Harry Enton actually

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Speaker 1: So it hasn't mattered from that perspective. The number of

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Speaker 1: You do have a majority of Americans fifty six percent

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Speaker 1: You've got thirty seven percent who say he's definitely guilty,

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Speaker 5: They did present a like he did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: It was a perfect phone call kind of a defense

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's funny that CBS question because MPR tested

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Speaker 4: Braley to respond to that, because what any McCarthy is

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Speaker 4: saying is that Mershawn hasn't has allowed brag to get

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Speaker 4: away with trumping this up to a felony charge as

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Speaker 4: an election thing, because you it's only a felony to

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Speaker 4: commit this crime of falsifying records if it's in the

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Speaker 4: service of a federal violation, so election law in this case,

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Speaker 4: and the Trump prosecution just wanted to do the Trump

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Speaker 4: campaign strategy without conceding an inch. And that's at least

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Speaker 4: mccarthyen It sounds like Bradley I think was their sort

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Speaker 4: of fatal mistake here.

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Speaker 6: But they're in the defense of the Trump prosecution.

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Speaker 4: They would probably say he's probably going to be convicted

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Speaker 4: anyway either way. I mean, this Manhattan Jerry is probably

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Speaker 4: gonna convict Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Hard to say, like, I still have no idea what's

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Speaker 1: going to ultimately happen here, you know. On the political front,

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Speaker 1: I think that most normally type voters aren't really getting

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Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty of like some of the legal

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Speaker 1: arguments you're raising, and like the specifics of how this

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Speaker 1: was this novel legal interpreted and required this other crime

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Speaker 1: to make this one a felony, et cetera. It's a

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Speaker 1: totally Most of it is viewed through the typical lens

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Speaker 1: of ed do you feel about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 5: Like do you think he's a criminal or not?

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Speaker 1: And most of that is going to come down to

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Speaker 1: partisan affiliation. Now, I do think that there is on

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Speaker 1: the margin some like you know, people feel, and I

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Speaker 1: think rightly feel that.

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Speaker 5: Like the document's case, it's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of open and shut, like it's kind of hard

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Speaker 1: to deny that there were some real problems the way

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Speaker 1: he handled that whole situation, obstructing justice and whatever. Even

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Speaker 1: if the original keeping of the documents was an innocent mistake,

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Speaker 1: the fact that you went to these great lengths to

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Speaker 1: cover it up, I think most people look at that like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong there, and also they know the way

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Speaker 1: that other people who have mishandled classified documents have been treated.

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Speaker 1: But in general, when you look at the polling, there

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Speaker 1: actually isn't all that much difference between how people view

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Speaker 1: these different cases. It's mostly just filtered through the lens

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Speaker 1: of do you think Donald Trump is a criminal? Do

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Speaker 1: you not think he's a criminal. And that's why there

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot of polling shift over the course

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Speaker 1: of this child this case. First of all, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of other things going in the world. I don't

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Speaker 1: think people have dug into this that much. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that they're paying that much attention.

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Speaker 5: They already know.

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Speaker 1: How they feel about Donald Trump. So the only question

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Speaker 1: that remains is like, Okay, if he's actually convicted of

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Speaker 1: a felony, does that hit in a different way than

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Speaker 1: just thinking that he's guilty of a felony.

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Speaker 5: And I don't really think so.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think this is going to move the

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Speaker 1: needle really one way or another. Probably, but I can't

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Speaker 1: say what with one hundred percent certainty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's the right take.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when a former president is actually sentenced, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is not something that we've seen, like Nixon was

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Speaker 4: pardoned and people were upset about it at the time,

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Speaker 4: although people look back on it now as like a

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Speaker 4: noble decision by Gerald Ford. It's we haven't seen a

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Speaker 4: former president gets sentenced to four years potentially, as Bradley

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Speaker 4: was just talking to us about.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think we know how we're going to

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Speaker 6: react to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, with you that if I had to

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Speaker 4: put money down, I would say probably, this doesn't move

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Speaker 4: the needle a lot. If anything, the NPR point mentioned

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Speaker 4: earlier found like fifteen percent of Republicans said that this

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Speaker 4: makes them more likely to.

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Speaker 6: Support Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And to the extent that the Bragg case has mattered

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Speaker 4: at all in the election. People forget that the Ron

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Speaker 4: DeSantis bump that he had going into the primary disappeared

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Speaker 4: when Alvin Bragg, Like that's when his numbers started going down.

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Speaker 4: Is when brought this case or the news that Brag

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Speaker 4: was going to bring this case. As that happened, Trump's

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Speaker 4: numbers went up to Santus's numbers went down. So I

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Speaker 4: think it did really have an effect in that sense.

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Speaker 4: But I agree, I think it's probably people are hard

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Speaker 4: in their positions and like the general election, at this point,

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Speaker 4: it's not, if anything, it makes Donald Trump getting sentenced

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Speaker 4: to four years in prison, I think it could hurt

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Speaker 4: undecided independent support for him, but I think it could

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Speaker 4: help his turnout, and that's going to be pretty critical.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very unlikely he's a sentenced to a

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Speaker 1: significant person term, but even if it's three months, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's person you know, you're thinking about when we did

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Speaker 1: the Republican focus group, and you know, you had a

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Speaker 1: room full of people who were real Republicans, not Rhinos,

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Speaker 1: and even some of the people who were Trump first

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Speaker 1: in the Republican primary context, when it was like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: what if he's facing prison time, they're like, I.

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Speaker 5: Just that's too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think you made the most important point,

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Speaker 1: which is, like, I think people are very bad at

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Speaker 1: anticipating how they're going to react to certain things until

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Speaker 1: they happen, and so I've been really skeptical of all

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Speaker 1: these polls that have said like, oh, well, if he's

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Speaker 1: convicted and if he's facing prison time, then you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of voters say that they're out and they're

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Speaker 1: not going to vote for him. I just I don't

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Speaker 1: think people know before they see it for themselves. So

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Speaker 1: again I don't put out of the realm of possibility

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Speaker 1: that it could have some sort of significant electoral impact.

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Speaker 1: But if Democrats are butting the farm on this one,

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Speaker 1: I think they better find a different farm or whatever,

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Speaker 1: which they.

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Speaker 4: Ended up bringing to all of the other cases, and

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Speaker 4: now all of the other cases are just not going

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Speaker 4: to I mean, probably the right One of the most

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Speaker 4: important things to say here is that a lot of

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Speaker 4: these other cases are not going to be tried before

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Speaker 4: the election, and that was Democrats really intentionally. Basically, we're

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Speaker 4: throwing everything at the wall to see what would stick legally,

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Speaker 4: and it's not hard to find, you know, questionable legal

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Speaker 4: decisions by Donald Trump, who as we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 4: We even have video from twenty six in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 4: in the next block off donald Trump being like, I

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Speaker 4: know the system. I alone can fix it because I

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Speaker 4: am part of the corrupt system of American business and politics.

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Speaker 6: You know. It's just it's not that hard to see

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Speaker 6: what sticks.

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Speaker 4: And that was their strategy and this is the only

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Speaker 4: one they're probably going to have before November.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we'll see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 1: And let's go ahead and get to that news about

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: It was a really interesting New Washington Post report out

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Speaker 4: by Josh Dassie. We can put this headline up on

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Speaker 4: the screen about the campaign strategy that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: using behind closed doors in fundraisers.

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Speaker 6: I think one key part.

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Speaker 4: Of this report, Crystal is Trump is allegedly telling a

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Speaker 4: lot of these billionaire donors.

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Speaker 6: Basically, I'm not happy with two to three million.

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Speaker 4: I think he says he's quote not very happy if

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Speaker 4: they only give.

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Speaker 6: Two to three million.

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Speaker 4: He wants more like twenty five million dollars from some

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Speaker 4: of his top donors. And as he's making those asks,

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Speaker 4: he's also unsurprisingly mentioning that his tax cuts will expire

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Speaker 4: seven months and that Joe Biden won't renew them. The

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Speaker 4: Post makes an interesting point, Crystal that because of the

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Speaker 4: Bob McDonald case, you're a Virginian, so you probably remember

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Speaker 4: this question of the quid pro quo that unless Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump is explicit and saying if you give me twenty

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Speaker 4: five million dollars, I will cut your taxes, it's legally permissible,

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Speaker 4: which is somewhat amusing as a reality because we all

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Speaker 4: know what.

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Speaker 6: He means when he says that.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he has been pretty open about making that

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Speaker 4: pitch to wealthy individuals. I think Kyle did Kyle flag

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Speaker 4: this next sot We're going to roll into it in

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Speaker 4: just one second. Just that's a little teaser. Stay with us,

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Speaker 4: because it goes back to twenty sixteen, actually goes back

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Speaker 4: to twenty fifteen. This is another report from Washington post,

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Speaker 4: we can go ahead put B two up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: He's also telling people that he is telling donors he's

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Speaker 4: going to crush pro Palestinian protests. He's going to deport demonstrators.

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Speaker 4: We know that that's actually a big priority of some

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Speaker 4: new big donors that have flocked to the Republican Party

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Speaker 4: since October seventh. We've seen, you know, people sort of

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Speaker 4: in the mold of Bill Ackman become curious about giving

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Speaker 4: more money to Republicans than they had in the past,

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Speaker 4: some of them very openly because of what they saw

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Speaker 4: in college campuses after October seventh. And you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're looking for someone to give money to, Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: might be your guy, because, as he's going to explain

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Speaker 4: in this hilarious mashup flag by Kyle, people know exactly

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Speaker 4: what they're going to get from him.

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Speaker 6: Take a look.

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Speaker 8: I just remember it's very important. All of this money

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Speaker 8: that I was talking about a little while ago, all

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Speaker 8: of that money comes from my friends, guys that I know.

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Speaker 8: I used to be one of them. I know the

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Speaker 8: system better than anybody. All of that money that's going

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Speaker 8: to Hillary and Jeb and Scott and Marco and all

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Speaker 8: of them, the people that are putting up that money

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Speaker 8: are It's like puppets being being You saw that they

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Speaker 8: had it on Jimmy Fallon. I better not do it anymore,

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Speaker 8: the bing bing bang bang boom. I was imitating puppets,

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Speaker 8: and I said, maybe I shouldn't do that anymore. But

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Speaker 8: it's true. They're totally controlled, totally controlled by special interests,

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Speaker 8: lobbyists and donors. They're totally.

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Speaker 6: When a guy gives.

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Speaker 8: A million dollars and much more than that, you know

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Speaker 8: some give much more. But do you think they're talking

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Speaker 8: about like nothing, they're talking turkey, They're talking lots of

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Speaker 8: different things. And with me, I don't need anybody's money.

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Speaker 8: I don't want anybody's money.

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Speaker 9: So a lot of times, a lot of times, that's

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Speaker 9: all of his donors and special interests out there.

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Speaker 3: So that's what it is.

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Speaker 9: That's what And by the way, let me just tell

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Speaker 9: you we needed tickets.

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Speaker 3: You can't get them.

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Speaker 9: You know who has the tickets for the I'm talking

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Speaker 9: about to the television audience, donors, special interests, the people

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Speaker 9: that are putting up the money for it is the

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Speaker 9: RNC told us we have all donors in the audience,

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Speaker 9: and the reason they're not loving me. The reason they're

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Speaker 9: not excuse me, the reason they're not loving me is

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Speaker 9: I don't want their money.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do the right thing for the American public.

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Speaker 9: I don't want their money.

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Speaker 7: I don't need their money.

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Speaker 9: And I'm the only one up here that can say that.

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Speaker 4: So that was obviously a mashup from the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 4: Republican primary. You heard Donald Trump in a debate, you

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Speaker 4: heard him also on a campaign stop in New Hampshire

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Speaker 4: and Crystal. It's actually a pretty interesting about face for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump with these two reports from the Washington Post. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I say about face, but it's you know, it's

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Speaker 4: always been his point that I alone can fix it.

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Speaker 4: I know the system, and I alone can fix it.

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Speaker 4: The quote that was just played there, I know the

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Speaker 4: system better than anybody, because Donald Trump said I've played

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Speaker 4: this system for years. At the same time as he

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Speaker 4: was saying that, he said in that video, I don't

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Speaker 4: need anybody's money. And the cool thing about that clip,

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Speaker 4: it just reminded me of how huge a part of

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Speaker 4: that pitch, right it was about his attraction for voters,

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Speaker 4: Like if you talked to voters back in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 6: They loved that Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: They felt like he was not beholden to any special interests.

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Speaker 4: Now that he's been in this position of power, he

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Speaker 4: defeated whatever you think about him, defeated the establishment in

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Speaker 4: these presidential primaries in twenty sixteen, defeated Hillary Clinton in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 6: He is now begging for donor cash because he does

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Speaker 6: need their money.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's just dropped the pretense. And it

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Speaker 1: was always a pretense. But I think people forget what

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Speaker 1: a powerful part of his pitch in twenty sixteen, this

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Speaker 1: was historying the swamp right. Listen, I've been there. I

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Speaker 1: know these people. I know what they think they're getting

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Speaker 1: with that money, and I'm not part of that. I

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Speaker 1: can fund myself now. He never actually did that to

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Speaker 1: any significant extent, So it was always a lie.

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Speaker 4: Although he had way less money, he spent less than

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Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton did.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things, there's a few things that

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Speaker 1: are different now. Number one, at that point he actually

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Speaker 1: had to try to appeal to people. Now, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of like locked in his supporters on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: they are one hundred percent locked in, and in a

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Speaker 1: sort of reverse effect, of what the Democrats are doing.

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Speaker 1: In a certain sense, he's running against how bad Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is. In the same way Joe Biden is running

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Speaker 1: against how bad Donald Trump is. So the pretense of

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Speaker 1: being any sort of anti establishment populist figure is gone.

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Speaker 1: It's also very difficult to sustain when your primary accomplishment

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Speaker 1: as president was giving tax cuts to a bunch of

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Speaker 1: rich people. So the brazen nature with which he's going

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Speaker 1: out and courting these billionaires is I mean, it's really something.

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Speaker 1: And listen, Joe Biden is out courting billionaires too. Both

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Speaker 1: parties definitely out there courting billionaires, especially these two candidates,

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Speaker 1: because Joe Biden has never had a grassroots fundraising base

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Speaker 1: to tap. Donald Trump used to, but his is also

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Speaker 1: greatly greatly diminished to the extent that he has been

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Speaker 1: really dramatically out fundraised by Joe Biden. Plus a bunch

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Speaker 1: of his money is going to legal bills. So there

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Speaker 1: are a few ways in which this pushes the limits

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Speaker 1: of campaign finance law. One is, like Emily was saying,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he goes in a room full of rich

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Speaker 1: people and he's like, give me money, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to make sure you get your tax cuts. He goes

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Speaker 1: in a room full of oil industry executives and says, literally,

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Speaker 1: raise me a billion dollars and I'll cut all the

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Speaker 1: regulations that you want. Trust me, your money will be

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Speaker 1: more than made up for under my administration. Goes in

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Speaker 1: a room full of New York donors who're very interested

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Speaker 1: in crushing these pro Palestinian protests and say, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to set that movement back thirty years if you

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Speaker 1: give money to me. So these very direct promises, but

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Speaker 1: also you're actually not allowed to ask directly for those

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Speaker 1: sums of money because listen, the system is very byzantine

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Speaker 1: and you know, bizarre. But the candidate into the direct

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Speaker 1: candidate campaign, you can't raise millions of dollars. So you

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Speaker 1: can do a fundraising event for your pack that can

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Speaker 1: raise millions of dollars, but you can't directly make the ask.

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Speaker 1: So that's how these pushing the Do I expect there

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Speaker 1: to be any consequences for that, No, because, as you

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Speaker 1: were pointing out, Emily, the Supreme Court is just basically

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Speaker 1: decided like there is no such thing as corruption. Bob

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Speaker 1: Menandez is testing that out right now. If you literally

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Speaker 1: are getting gold bars in exchange for like business deals.

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Speaker 1: Does that, you know, does that meet the bar of

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Speaker 1: corruption that the standard that's been said by the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 5: Possibly yes on that one.

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Speaker 4: The trail blazer, he's blazing that trail for other olive arcs.

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Speaker 1: To make sure that they can get those gold bars

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Speaker 1: when and how they want to.

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Speaker 6: God bless Bob Mann does.

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Speaker 5: That's really the bottom line.

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Speaker 6: They're doing the lord's work, Awes.

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Speaker 1: But I also think, you know, there's something to the

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Speaker 1: fact that now he's just letting it all hang out.

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Speaker 1: He needs the money. There's a level of desperation to it.

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Speaker 1: So it is it is something to behold the as

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Speaker 1: you put it about face, because he just he doesn't

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Speaker 1: talk at all like he used to in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, there's something's rhetorically that you know, you could say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a populist position rhetorically, and people that was a

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Speaker 1: big part of his appeal that at this point is

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Speaker 1: all gone.

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Speaker 4: But he said something so interesting too, which is that

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Speaker 4: people's positions on Trump and Biden are so polarized that

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Speaker 4: they're basically locked in. Even that Donald Trump, you know,

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Speaker 4: is talking in a way so different from how he

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Speaker 4: campaigned in twenty sixteen on an issue exactly like this,

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Speaker 4: which I do think just thinking back to then, it's

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Speaker 4: very interesting to remember how average voters were attracted to

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Speaker 4: Trump because in so many cases people would say, listen,

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Speaker 4: he's not beholden to the special interest He's talking in

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Speaker 4: the debate video about the special interests, and it's just

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Speaker 4: a I mean, it's a billionaire arms race. We forget

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Speaker 4: how kind of unique twenty sixteen was, and that Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump spent a good chunk of change less than Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 4: which is extremely rare in a big presidential race. It's

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Speaker 4: basically always tied, even if they there's you know, some

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Speaker 4: marginal differences. But he really was outspent by Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 4: in part because people like the billionaires, a lot of

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Speaker 4: billionaires were just not comfortable with him. They didn't know

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Speaker 4: what to expect from him. Yeah, now he's like, I

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Speaker 4: got you the tax cut.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the other piece is the billionaire class is

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Speaker 1: more comfortable with him now. Now he always had a

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Speaker 1: certain number of billionaires supporting him, but now we've even

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Speaker 1: seen people like Jamie Diamond signals like, yeah, I'd be

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Speaker 1: okay with another Trump administration. I think a few things happened.

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Speaker 1: Number one, those tax cuts. Number two, that set really

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Speaker 1: hates the Biden administration's position on anti trust. And I

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Speaker 1: mean you just only have to look at the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. How many editorials mans Dollar Keeps count have

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Speaker 1: they run against Lena con Or, like a whole project

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Speaker 1: one hundred. It is insane the number of editorials that

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Speaker 1: they've written about Lenikon specifically, because they hate that there

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Speaker 1: is any obstacle to this, you know, giant proliferation of

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Speaker 1: monopolies that has taken over our higher economy and so on.

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Speaker 5: That and also on labor.

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Speaker 1: These are major, major rubs with the billionaire class, and

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Speaker 1: Trump was incredibly friendly to them. And you know, oil

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Speaker 1: industry executives know they're going to get what they want

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Speaker 1: from a Donald Trump administration. Your average runn of the

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Speaker 1: middle billionaire knows they're going to get.

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Speaker 5: Their tax cuts.

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Speaker 1: Whatever oligarchs want to see their monopolies continue to grow

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Speaker 1: and flourish, they're going to get that under a Trump

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Speaker 1: administration versus Biden administration. So you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: part of why there's such a just overt comfort with

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Speaker 1: him this time around, where last time they just weren't sure, right,

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Speaker 1: there was at least enough of a populis pitch that

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Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know, and uncertainty and chaos, it's

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Speaker 1: bad for business. Now it's like, no, we know what

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Speaker 1: we got last time, and it was great for us.

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Speaker 5: It worked out perfectly well for us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I think that's right.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a pretty obvious argument from Trump's behalf

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Speaker 4: that he ideologically agrees with tax cuts and he ideologically

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Speaker 4: agrees with oil executive, so he'd be interested in, you know,

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Speaker 4: giving them their leases and all that stuff anyway. But

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Speaker 4: it's another thing to make that clear at the donor meetings, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know you know where I am on oil, right,

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Speaker 4: mister oile executive. Well you know where Joe Biden is

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Speaker 4: on oil, right? I mean it's it does get into

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Speaker 4: Bob McDonald's territory.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they all do it.

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Speaker 1: They really do all do it, absolutely no thought about it.

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Speaker 10: All.

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Speaker 6: Right, So let's move on to another Washington Post story.

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Speaker 4: Just reading lots of the Washington Post yesterday, Crystal, this

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Speaker 4: is about Joe Biden the DNC. Just actually look at

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Speaker 4: this headline. It's kind of funny. It made me laugh.

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Speaker 6: DNC prepares to nominate Biden via quote virtual role call

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Speaker 6: before convention. This is the lead of the story.

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Speaker 4: The DNC is preparing to nominate President Biden as the

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Speaker 4: party's presidential nominee through a virtual role call ahead of

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Speaker 4: its August convention in Chicago, an unusual step to ensure

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Speaker 4: that Biden can meet a deadline to appear on the

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Speaker 4: ballot in Ohio. The move comes despite a special legislative

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Speaker 4: session in Ohio this week that Governor Mike Dewin, who

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Speaker 4: is a Republican, said would resolve the issue. Democrats are

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Speaker 4: not optimistic about the special session, given that Dewaine has

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Speaker 4: added an unrelated proposal on campaign finance to the agenda

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Speaker 4: that Republicans want considered alongside legislation that will allow Biden

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Speaker 4: on the ballot. The Washington Post notes it's not the

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Speaker 4: first time Democrats finalize their presidential not many virtually pointing

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Speaker 4: back to twenty twenty. But of course it's not twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty twenty four. We're not in the middle of

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Speaker 4: a pandemic. And this speaks to perhaps what we can

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Speaker 4: take a look at in this next tear street. This

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Speaker 4: is pulling results from Rasmuten res Mutant Rasmussen pulling results

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Speaker 4: from Rasmussen that has fifty four percent of Democrats now

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Speaker 4: approving of taking Biden off the ticket. They think it's

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Speaker 4: okay for the Democratic Party to replace Joe Biden before

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Speaker 4: the election in November. Including by the way, twenty four

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Speaker 4: percent of those voters who quote strongly approve with that

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Speaker 4: and only I think this is also interesting, Crystal, only

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Speaker 4: thirty seven percent who disapprove, only twenty three percent who

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Speaker 4: strongly disapprove. Those are those are dark numbers for Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden that kind of match what he's seeing on the

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Speaker 4: campaign trail. As Stephen Nelson of The New York Post

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Speaker 4: tweeted yesterday, these are images from a Biden campaign stop

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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: Philadelphia rally. Stephen puts it, it's about half full. Look

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Speaker 6: at all of that empty space.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening to this, it's a gymnasium, and half

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Speaker 4: full I think is actually yeah, half full, this is

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Speaker 4: That's one way to put it. And finally, even in

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Speaker 4: the state of Virginia, a lot of Washington Posts in

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Speaker 4: Virginia coverage this or day. A Roanoke College poll found

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Speaker 4: that Biden and Trump are tied in Virginia, and that's.

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Speaker 6: At forty two. Forty two. These numbers are atrocious.

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Speaker 4: So that's a state that I think Biden went by

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Speaker 4: close to ton points.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right close to time point.

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Speaker 6: I mean right now.

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Speaker 1: The conversation after last election in Virginia was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Virginia's is a blue state now, like it's over and

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Speaker 1: then you get Glenn youngin that wins and that starts

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Speaker 1: to like, oh, maybe it's more of a purple state still.

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Speaker 1: But if Joe Biden is tied in Virginia, if this

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Speaker 1: is any we're close to accurate.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it's.

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Speaker 1: A rough and Virginia, you know, being a native Virginian

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Speaker 1: and having a good sense of the politics there. As

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Speaker 1: the northern Virginia suburbs have grown, they have really become

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Speaker 1: the dominant political force in the state.

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Speaker 5: And those are exactly the like suburban, mostly.

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Speaker 1: White, affluent, college educated voters that Democrats are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be flourishing with at this time. So if you're tied

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, I don't know what the rest of the

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Speaker 1: landscape is. Dire Now this is all the caveats, it's early.

879
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: It could be wrong, et cetera, et cetera. We'll see,

880
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: but it is yet another warning sign and yet another

881
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: reason why now a majority of Democrats are like, maybe

882
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I wish it'd switch the candidates.

883
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 5: Still, that's not happening. Don't get your hopes up.

884
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: But you know, it's astonishing sign of weakness that within

885
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: this is an incumbent president, Like it should be a

886
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: no brainer that this is your guy going forward, but

887
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: it is actually a no brainer that he is incredibly

888
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: weak when you compare him to literally every Democratic Senate

889
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: candidate is outperforming him in the states where they're running.

890
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 5: You know, the online convention situation.

891
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Their excuse is this Ohio situation that gave them a

892
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: good excuse to do this online. But we had already

893
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: seen these rumblings of maybe we're going to move a

894
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: bunch of the convention online because we're nervous about what

895
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: the protests are are going to do, Like we don't

896
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: want those disruptions, you know, we're concerned about that. They're

897
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: terrified of going out and even doing campaign rallies. They're

898
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: terrified of speaking on college campuses because of the protest movement,

899
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: and so Ohio gave them a convenient excuse the Ohio

900
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Speaker 1: governors like, we're doing a special section session. We're going

901
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: to fix the problem so that you can be on

902
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: the ballot. Right, But they're pretending like there's some sort

903
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: of a poison pill and this is a trick and

904
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: they're not going to leave it up to the Ohio Republicans.

905
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: The thing, by the way, Emily, that they're considering this

906
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: campaign finance change that they're considering to be a quote

907
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: unquote poison pill in the Ohio Special Legislative Session is

908
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: like to ban foreign funding of elections, which I think

909
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: you might be on board with. But anyway, you know,

910
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: the party that's been all concerned about Russian collusion and

911
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: interference whatever, might be on.

912
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: Board with that and democracy, Yeah exactly.

913
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: But anyway, so that's what that's the direction they're going.

914
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: And they're so terrified of their own voters that they're

915
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: doing their nominating convention online.

916
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 5: It's really it's really something.

917
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 6: They're afraid of.

918
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: And maybe we can add this in post one of

919
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: my favorite things from the DNC back in twenty sixteen.

920
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: They're afraid of Susan Sarandon. The pictures of Susans random

921
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: in the crowd.

922
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: Looking furious as the Bernie protesters like actually stormed the DNC,

923
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 4: And they know that there's more of that coming, especially

924
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: with the way that Biden and other Biden sergets Kamala Harris,

925
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: have been greeted on college campuses recently. They know that

926
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Speaker 4: that's what awaits them over the course of the summer

927
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Speaker 4: when Biden's out campaigning, especially at major events like a

928
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Speaker 4: nomination thing.

929
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Speaker 1: So, you know, and you've got a number of uncommitted delegates,

930
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, and the uncommitted vote did well enough that

931
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Speaker 1: there is a camera, I think dozens of uncommitted delegates

932
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Speaker 1: who are going to be there on the floor.

933
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Speaker 5: So they want to be able to tightly control that.

934
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Speaker 1: The mayor of Chicago, who's relatively new, and that the

935
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Speaker 1: DNC is going to be held in Chicago. The mayor

936
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: has been very you know, comparatively compared to Joe Biden,

937
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: quite friendly towards the protest movement. He is himself came

938
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Speaker 1: from you know, labor background and the sort of like

939
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: activist background, So they feel very comfy with the Governor

940
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Speaker 1: of Illinois.

941
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Speaker 5: Jabe Pritzker.

942
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: They feel like he'll do, you know, call in the

943
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Speaker 1: riot cops and do whatever it takes to crush the protests.

944
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: But they're less confident that the Chicago mayor will just like,

945
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Speaker 1: you know, put the boot down the way that they

946
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Speaker 1: want him to.

947
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 5: So I think that's part also of the calculation.

948
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Speaker 1: Year of why they're moving the nominating portion online. Now.

949
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: They say, there's still going to be like a symbolic

950
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: role call in there, and there's still gonna be stuff

951
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: that's in person at least at this point. But it's

952
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: a measure of how scared they are of their own

953
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: people that you know they're going in this direction.

954
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And then the polling results bear that out when

955
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 4: you have likely voters. That ron out College poll was

956
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: of likely voters, So that's not just all adults. These

957
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: are people who are actually likely to vote. You know,

958
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 4: turnout's going to be a huge problem for them in

959
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: a place like Virginia if you have affluent voters who

960
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: are just less motivated to go out there and pull

961
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: the lever for Biden, maybe because they're on one side of.

962
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Speaker 6: The Israel war or another.

963
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: You know, Biden hasn't really made either side happy throughout

964
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Speaker 4: the course of the last half year or so on

965
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Speaker 4: that so it's got a real problem.

966
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: I think the key thing.

967
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Looking in that Virginia polling, they ask people whether they

968
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: saw the Trump years as mostly good for the country

969
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: or mostly bad, and he got much better numbers on

970
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: that question than Biden did. Forty four percent said they

971
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: view the Trump years as mostly good and thirty three

972
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: percent said mostly bad. The Biden years only twenty five

973
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: percent said mostly good and forty seven percent said mostly bad.

974
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Speaker 1: So listen, I think there's you know, some rose colored glasses.

975
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 5: In fact, I've.

976
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Been questioning whether our typical view historic view of incumbency

977
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: has sort of flipped on its head where now because

978
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: people are just so dissatisfied with where the country is.

979
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: In general, being an incumbent is a disadvantage in a

980
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: sense because people feel what they feel right now and

981
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: they directly blame the present for it, just like you

982
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: know with Trump, and that was blamed to be had

983
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: for his handling of COVID. But I think part of

984
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: the reason why he was defeated last time was because

985
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: the power of incumbency was sort of flipped on its

986
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: head where it was like, actually, it's a.

987
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 5: Downside that you're in office right now.

988
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: And I do think that's part of what's going on

989
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden and Donald Trump right now.

990
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: But I also think that there's a reality.

991
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: We've showed a lot of the charts on this show,

992
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: people's net worth, you know, not declining, the social safety

993
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: net from COVID being completely dismantled in the Trump in

994
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: the Biden era, the child tax credit, things that really

995
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: bolster people, all of that going away. At the same time,

996
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: you have inflation spiking, and you know that's getting involved

997
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: in foreign wars, and people, however they feel about those wars,

998
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: feeling like you're more focused on that than you are

999
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: on me. Those things are are legitimate, So there's there

1000
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: are legitimate reasons why people feel like, you know what,

1001
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: it was better for me back then, however they feel

1002
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: about the personality or the capabilities of either of these men.

1003
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 4: Trump promising billionaires tax cuts and oil leases. Biden hobbling

1004
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: from campaign stop to campaign stop.

1005
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 6: We are so lucky, We're.

1006
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Just the glories of democracy. Incredible, such a choice we've

1007
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: got here.

1008
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 6: What a wonderful year, What a time to be alive.

1009
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: Well inspiring, speaking of those were in conflicts crystals, move

1010
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: on to Israel.

1011
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got a lot to update you on here.

1012
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Let's put this for a first piece up on the screen,

1013
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: which is probably the most significant. Israel's National security advisor

1014
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: just announced he expects Israel's military operations in Gaza to

1015
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: continue through at least the end of the year, pearing

1016
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: to dismiss The New York Times writes the idea that

1017
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: the war could come to an end after the military

1018
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: offensive against Hmas in Rafa. Quote, we expect another seven

1019
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: months of combat in order to shore up our achievement

1020
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: and realize what we define as the destruction of Hamas

1021
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: and Islami Chiahad's military and governing capabilities. Emily, there's been

1022
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about how Netnahu has every incentive

1023
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: to keep this war going, zero incentive to end the war.

1024
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: He himself has benefited politically. His numbers are still not great,

1025
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: but they're actually sort of coming back up, ticking back

1026
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: up post October seventh because some of the outrage and

1027
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: the horror at the fact that October seventh happened on

1028
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: his watch in spite of him being mister Secure, some

1029
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: of that has faded away, and there's been a bit

1030
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: of a rally around the flag effect, so his numbers

1031
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: have started to tick back up, and he also has

1032
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: continued corruption charges hanging over his head that he's going

1033
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: to have to reckon with too whenever this war ends.

1034
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: So a lot has justifiably been made of how he

1035
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: has every incentive to keep this thing going, but many

1036
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: others do as well. Anyone who was in any position

1037
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: of power on October seventh has an incentive to, you know,

1038
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: keep it going. So there's no reckoning with the failures

1039
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: that occurred in the security and intelligence establishment in Israel

1040
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: on that day, And anyone who's had a hand in

1041
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: the horrific prosecution of this war has an incentive to

1042
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: keep it going. Because in spite of them talking here

1043
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: emily about you know, we need to shore up our achievement,

1044
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: our victory whatever, there has been really no achievement. There

1045
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: has been no victory unless you just define that as

1046
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: total and complete annihilation. Hamas is being able to reconstitute,

1047
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: They're being able to recruit thousands of new fighters. There's

1048
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: still something like sixty percent of the tunnel network that

1049
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: is still operable. These you have hostages who are still

1050
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: being held, who are being killed by the way by

1051
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: the IDF the longer that this goes on. So in

1052
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: terms of providing security for Israelis, in terms of the

1053
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: purported goal of quote unquote destroying Hamas, which was always impossible,

1054
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: they've basically gotten nowhere over these many months. And so

1055
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Speaker 1: everyone who's been involved in this war has every incentive

1056
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: in the world to keep it going, to avoid a

1057
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: reckoning with what an incredible failure this has been, even

1058
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: from an Israeli point.

1059
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: Of view, Yeah, I mean talk about the potential for

1060
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: a quagmire. I mean what's happening right now, just bulldozing,

1061
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 4: turning into a parking lot, the swath of land, creating

1062
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: so many refugees, the humanitarian crisis as a response from

1063
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: a kind of realist foreign policy perspective, and I know,

1064
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: n Sozacker, I've talked about this. I mean, it doesn't

1065
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 4: even Ryan and I talked about this yesterday. Does it

1066
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: make the Israeli people safer?

1067
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 6: No? In the long term, No.

1068
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Speaker 4: Because if this goal is the unattainable ambition of quote

1069
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Speaker 4: annihilating Hamas, and the way the war has been prosecuted

1070
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: so far, if you take those two things and have

1071
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: your primary benefactor of the United States of America say

1072
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 4: they support a two state solution, and your own Prime

1073
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 4: Minister net Yaho's saying absolutely not, we support a one

1074
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 4: state solution because you're not compatible partners for a war,

1075
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: even though the United States continues to be a partner

1076
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: or try to be a partner. To Netanyaho, none of

1077
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: it makes sense, None of it makes sense for any

1078
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: like peace resolution imminently that would stop death and destruction,

1079
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: that would make the people of Israel safer. And you know,

1080
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: I guess I feel like it's kind of a luxury

1081
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: personally to be over here and not over there, and

1082
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: you know, get to sort of analyze it. I understand

1083
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: where Israelis are coming from. It's a it's a horrible situation.

1084
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: But this is not making anybody safer in the long term.

1085
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: It's just obviously not making anybody safer.

1086
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone who I think is looking at this subjectively

1087
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: has to say that from the beginning. I mean, it's

1088
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: not to justify any sort of extremism, but your mother,

1089
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: brother's sister, cousin, on a goal, whoever that you love

1090
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: and close to murdered in a horrific way, babies incinerated

1091
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: and intense. How do you think that's gonna you know,

1092
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Speaker 1: stoke your heart for peace and love towards the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: Of course not, of course not, and so that's why

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00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: we even have US intelligence officials saying, hey, Hamas has

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00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: been able to recruit thousands of people just in the

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00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: past several months, even under conditions of war. So, you know,

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00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: just a dramatic failure, even from an Israeli perspective. Putting

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: aside obviously the you know, horror and the immorality, and

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00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the fact too that Israel at this point is almost

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00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: completely isolated in the world. The US is increasingly isolated

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00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: in the world. Now we're better able to withstand it

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Speaker 1: because we are still a superpower. Although you know, multipolarity

1103
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: is increasingly the reality in the world. We're accelerating that

1104
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: shift to multipolarity with the you know, obvious hypocrisy that

1105
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: we've displayed in disregard for our purported concern for humanitarianism

1106
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: and international law, et cetera. But you know, for Israel,

1107
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: there there will be some sort of reckoning, and for

1108
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: this government there will be some sort of reckoning at

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00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: some point, we just don't know when. At the same time,

1110
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: it's becoming more and more difficult to defend things like

1111
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: again babies being incinerated inside of tents where they've been displaced,

1112
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: to when a purported in a place that they thought

1113
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: was a safe zone.

1114
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: But Joe Scarborough is.

1115
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: Doing his best, he's having to go back and rewrite history,

1116
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: and you claim that actually we won the Vietnam and

1117
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: the Iraq wars in order to somehow defend the Israeli

1118
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: actions here. Let's take a listen to what he had

1119
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: to say recently.

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Speaker 3: What is Israel to do?

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00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 11: Are they supposed to just sit there while conditions in

1122
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 11: Rawa get worse while the possibility of famine spreads and

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00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 11: while Hamas regrouped. I mean, let's just state the obvious.

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00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 11: The United States would never do this. We didn't do

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Speaker 11: this in Mosul. We didn't do this in Afghanistan. We

1126
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 11: didn't do this in Iraq. We didn't do this in Vietnam.

1127
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 11: We didn't do this in World War Two. If we

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Speaker 11: were struck, we struck back until we won the war.

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Speaker 11: So I guess what confuses me is what is it

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00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 11: in the United States or Israel's best interest that Israel

1131
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 11: just sits outside of Rafa and this suffering continues indefinitely,

1132
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 11: Or do they go in.

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00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: And kill hamas terrorists.

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Speaker 1: There is so much about that that drives me insane.

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00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, he oh, they just sit

1136
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: back and let people suffer. Now they are causing the suffering.

1137
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: The starvation isn't just happening. They're blocking the aid, and

1138
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: aid has dropped something like sixty percent since they invaded Rapa,

1139
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: by the way, and you already had people who were

1140
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: starving to this. That's number one. Obviously, the claim that

1141
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: we won in a ra in Vietnam, or that our

1142
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: approach there was great for us are great for the

1143
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: world is utterly preposterous. But you know, that's where we

1144
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: are now that they have to try to rewrite history.

1145
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: And also there's been this weird thing and I'm sure

1146
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: you've probably tracked this as well, of people who are saying, like, well, actually,

1147
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: compared to our the horrors and war crimes we did

1148
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Israel is great. It's like, first of all, is that

1149
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: really your standard? And second of all, compare Listen, I

1150
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: was a huge and am a huge a rock war critic.

1151
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: The number of civilians that we slaughtered in Iraq and

1152
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Afghanistan horrific, unacceptable. No one should be using that as

1153
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: their standard. However, compared to the civilian death rate in Gaza,

1154
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: right now, we look like angels. We look like the

1155
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: most moral army on the planet compared to what's going

1156
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: on there.

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Speaker 5: And even in Mossel, which he brings up. I looked

1158
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: at it.

1159
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: Again, massive indefensible slaughter. In most ten thousand civilians killed

1160
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: for to get roughly four thousand ISIS fighters. That is

1161
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: a ratio of seventy percent killed worse civilians. Again, I

1162
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 1: think that is wholly unacceptable. The ratio in Gaza is worse.

1163
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: Now we don't know the exact figures, but even with

1164
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: a generous reading, it's roughly eighty percent civilians who've been killed,

1165
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: and many more thirty five thirty six thousand, forty six

1166
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: thousand when you count those buried under the rubble, probably

1167
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: many more when you count starvation, illness, disease, et cetera,

1168
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: who've been killed in a very short time period. So

1169
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Speaker 1: it's just layers of outrageous absurdity, rewriting history, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: Well, rewriting history.

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Speaker 4: And I'm chuckling while we're talking about this horrible, tragic

1172
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: situation because Mika Berziski's father is obviously one of the

1173
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: most famous key Cold warriors. So when you have Joe

1174
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 4: Scarborough mentioning Mosil, mentioning Vietnam, he's sitting next to the

1175
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: daughter of again like one of the most notorious Cold

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00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: War and I would say not in a good way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he bragged about being the sort of brains

1178
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 4: behind the idea in the Carter administration to start funding

1179
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 4: the muja Hadeen in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this goes back back decades and I.

1181
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 4: Think it speaks to how entrenched the foreign policy establishment

1182
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: is in defending fifty years of field policy.

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: Have you seen any of the clips though of as

1184
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: a big New Brazinski Mika's dad lecturing Joe on Israel.

1185
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: I have not, Oh should, I'm gonna send you some things,

1186
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: because there there are. There's at least one interview where

1187
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: he just goes in on Joe. He's like, honestly, your

1188
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: understanding of this conflict is embarrassing. And because Joe has

1189
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: all the basically like the Hillary Clinton version of events

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: in terms of the peace negotiations, that it was like

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: all you know in Oslo that it was all one side,

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00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: it was all the Palestinians walking away and anyway, Mika's

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00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: dad really puts some of his place in a way

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: that is quite remarkable.

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Speaker 5: So I highly recommend.

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Speaker 1: You check out those clips because they are quite quite enjoyable.

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00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 5: I just reference something that's this worth digging into more.

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Speaker 1: Again, we really don't know exactly what the death toll

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Speaker 1: is in Gaza, but there's a lot of talk about,

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Speaker 1: because it's the health Ministry, which is Hamas controlled, quote unquote,

1201
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: that perhaps the death toll is being overstated. There are

1202
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: a lot increasing numbers of experts who are saying it's

1203
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: much more likely that it's actually being understated. Let's put

1204
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This is from Haretz, again,

1205
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: Israeli newspaper. This is an opinion piece from a number

1206
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: of experts that we have three different experts that we

1207
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: are two different experts that we have here. They say

1208
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: why Gaza's death toll is probably higher than reported, the

1209
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: scope of the killing as well as the incidents of

1210
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: illness and deaths due to lack of basic sanitary conditions, food,

1211
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Speaker 1: medical care demand and urgent public debate in Israel. They

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: go on to write here, the fatality numbers in the

1213
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: Gaza strip for the past five months are appalling. According

1214
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: to the UN, over thirty four thousand people have been killed,

1215
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: over seventy seven thousand wounded, another eleven thousand trapped under

1216
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: the rubble considered missing. This is just part of the picture.

1217
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: We believe the morbidity and fatality numbers in Gaza are

1218
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Speaker 1: actually higher. Our conclusion is based on comparisons with the

1219
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Speaker 1: public health challenges in refugee camps immediately after the nineteen

1220
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: forty eight war and familiarity with epidemiological data in general.

1221
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Speaker 1: We believe that the scope of the killing, as well

1222
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: as the incidents of illness and deaths due to a

1223
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: lack of basic sanitary conditions, food and medical care demand,

1224
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: and urgent public debate in Israel. Some of the things

1225
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: that they note here is that, according again to the UN,

1226
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: around thirty one percent of kids under two in northern

1227
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: Gaza and around ten percent in Rafa suffering from severe malnourishment.

1228
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: And we've had yet another massive aid cut with the

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: failure of the fricking Peer but also more significantly with

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00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: the closure of the Rafa Crossing. Numbers of dead due

1231
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: to starvation, they say, are not yet known clear. Many

1232
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: people are suffering irreversible damage. People who subsist on weeds

1233
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: and livestock feed for months will not survive long and

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00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: only they compare it to the response to the Nakba

1235
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight and the provisions that provided for

1236
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: refugees at that time, the huge concern about the spread

1237
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: of disease, the provisioning of you know, significant amounts of

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01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: food and water and aid in that way as well.

1239
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: And they're saying they're not doing anything close to what

1240
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: was being done even in nineteen forty eight, which was

1241
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: also a whore And we know that there were huge

1242
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: numbers of deaths that resulted from those unsanitary conditions at

1243
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: the time. So one can only imagine what is happening

1244
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: right now.

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01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's I think an important point in of

1246
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: itself that we actually really don't know, we really like

1247
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: the full extent the scope of what's happening. Yeah, someone

1248
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: mentioned this the other day. We actually didn't have a

1249
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: death count out of Dresden, like an official death count

1250
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 4: out of Dresden until I don't know, like thirty years ago,

1251
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 4: twenty years ago, something crazy like that.

1252
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 6: It took years to put the.

1253
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 4: To get like a final figure that people were comfortable

1254
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: with and so that can go in both directions. And

1255
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 4: so because we don't know, you are a lot of

1256
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: people who are supportive of the occursion into Offa saying, well,

1257
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: we just we don't know the death toll has been

1258
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 4: so far. You know, the IDEAF says it's doing everything

1259
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 4: to minimize civilian.

1260
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 6: Casualties, et cetera, et cetera.

1261
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: But actually there's a lot of I think significant reason

1262
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: to believe that we are missing deaths, that people are

1263
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 4: under the rubble, that you know, there's just there's so

1264
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: much destruction that.

1265
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 6: We're missing the full extent of it.

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 4: So for all the the for all the conversations about

1267
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 4: potentially overcounting, really, even as again someone who has generally

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: been you know, not necessarily since October seventh, but before that,

1269
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 4: generally pro Israel, I look at this and I think

1270
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 4: people are really missing a big part of the picture.

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: Because you asked the question too. I mean, even people

1272
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: who have chronic illnesses and they you know, can't get

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: their insulin or you know, early on in the conflict,

1274
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: we had numbers coming out about huge spike. I think

1275
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: it was like by one hundred times the number of

1276
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: kids who were suffering from severe diarrhea, which is one

1277
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: of the leading causes of death for children around the world.

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01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 5: So that's not some little thing.

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: You have a hospital and healthcare system that is just decimated.

1280
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean it is really doesn't even hardly function at

1281
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: this point. It's unbelievable what these doctors and nurses are

1282
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: able to do.

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01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 6: There's one hospital in Rafa right now.

1284
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: They've closed other hospitals as one remaining hospital functioning right now.

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: So in that context, how would you even have any

1286
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: idea who is sick, who is dying, what it's a

1287
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: result from. And are people who are say dying from

1288
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: starvation or dying from a lack of you know, the

1289
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: medicine they need for chronic long term conditions, or there

1290
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: are no cancer hospitals operative in Gaza anymore.

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Speaker 6: Who's maimed for life? Right like who's who's that's right?

1292
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: Will never be the same because they lost the leg,

1293
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 4: they less an arm, they lesson I.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think anyone in Gaza will ever be the same, certainly,

1295
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, in a certain sense, I don't think anyone

1296
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: will ever be the same. So in any case, this

1297
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: will be you know, one of the long term reckonings

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: of this war is exactly what was the death told,

1299
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Speaker 1: because I don't think we have any idea right now.

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Speaker 1: There's one other significant piece of military news. This is

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: something to track really closely. Put this up on the screen.

1302
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Speaker 1: The IDF is announced that they've taken control of that

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Speaker 1: border with Egypt, the Gaza Egypt border, right there near Rafa.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is very fraught situation. We brought you

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, Saga and I covered that at least

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Speaker 1: one Egyptian soldier had been killed in an exchange of.

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Speaker 5: Fire with the IDF.

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Speaker 1: You have the Egyptian government, which you know, in spite

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Speaker 1: of whatever rhetoric they might use, is you know, very

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Speaker 1: pro Israel. They get tons of money from us and

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Speaker 1: they do what we want. That's basically the bottom line

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Speaker 1: ever since Camp David. With regards to egypt population, on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, feels a very different way, very sympathetic

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Speaker 1: to the Palestmine cause. And so you have these Egyptian

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Speaker 1: soldiers right there on the border. We're seeing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the horrors that are being inflicted in Rafa right now.

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Speaker 1: And also interesting Emily that the according Ken Klippenstein, the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government won't talk at all about what happened in

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Speaker 1: that exchange of fire that led to one Egyptian soldier

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Speaker 1: being killed. So this is part of why the dealings

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Speaker 1: with Egypt are incredibly fraud and really significant to track.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely the death of the Egyptian. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this week has been.

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Speaker 4: A rolling disaster for the Biden administration and their position

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Speaker 4: on the conflict, their attempt to publicly walk a fine

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Speaker 4: line for the politics of the conflict. It almost defies believability.

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Speaker 4: But how bad this last week has been specifically, Well.

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Speaker 1: That's a good transition to the next piece here, because

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Speaker 1: you've had a real sort of breaking of the dam

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Speaker 1: in terms of a mention before. It's becoming increasingly difficult

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Speaker 1: to defend Israeli actions, even from people who have been

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Speaker 1: very sympathetic. Peers Morgan for example, really coming out strongly

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Speaker 1: condemning the attack on Rafa and the you know, dozens

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Speaker 1: of Palestinians who were murdered inside of tents. This one

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Speaker 1: I didn't see comings So put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Simone Sanders, who you know, was on the Biden campaign

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Speaker 1: and then she was in the Biden White House as

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Speaker 1: an aid to Kamala Harris. Now at MSNBC and typically

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Speaker 1: very much towing still the administration line as if she

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, basically like a Biden administration mouth

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Speaker 1: piece over at MSNBC. So for her to tweet out

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Speaker 1: any criticism is really noteworthy, and I give her credit

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Speaker 1: a huge credit for that. She says the statements from

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Speaker 1: some administration officials about not being able to verify what's

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Speaker 1: happening in Gaza are absurd. We can all see the pictures.

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Speaker 1: It's horrific. And she was referring, I think specifically to

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller playing dumb of like, oh, well, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what really is going on in Rafa to really

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Speaker 1: say whether this is crossed our red line? Who can

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Speaker 1: really even know when you've got every major outline, the

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Speaker 1: outlet saying they've moved tanks into Rafa. There, there's huge

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Speaker 1: strikes here, this is a major invasion, but they're still

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Speaker 1: pretending like they have no idea. But similarly, you had

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Speaker 1: Tony Blinken once again pretending like, oh, we really don't

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Speaker 1: know what's happening here. We're going to talk to the

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Speaker 1: Israelis and try to figure it out. Because as you

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Speaker 1: and Ryan covered, we now know that the bomb that

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Speaker 1: was responsible for considerating all of those displaced Palestines in

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Speaker 1: their tents was an American bomb.

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Speaker 5: It was made by Boeing.

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Speaker 1: You again have multiple outlets who are reporting this, and

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Speaker 1: yet Tony Blinken, he doesn't really know. Who can really say,

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Speaker 1: let's take a listen what.

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Speaker 3: Weapons were used or how they were used. All of

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Speaker 3: that needs to be.

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Speaker 11: The product of a deliberate but also fast investigation.

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Speaker 1: And this is what they do every time, Emily, that

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Speaker 1: something happens that they can't really defend. Well, we don't know,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be an investigation. We're going to look

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Speaker 1: into it. These reallies are going to look into it.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to you, and they, of course never do.

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Speaker 4: You're right, that has actually been the direct playbook every

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Speaker 4: time that this has happened, you know, or I mean,

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Speaker 4: they've been dealing with it all week. With the red

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Speaker 4: lined thing, it actually reminds me of that almost exactly,

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Speaker 4: and how they changed, like they move the goalposts every time.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, if you consider it this way, or

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Speaker 4: if you consider it that way, if you look at

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Speaker 4: it from this direction, we don't really know or it

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Speaker 4: doesn't really count.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it's a joke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very obvious at this point. You also have

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Speaker 1: another State Department official who has resigned. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This was a career State Department

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Speaker 1: official who was specifically involved in the Biden administration's debates

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Speaker 1: over Israel's conduct in Gaza, citing disagreements with a recently

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Speaker 1: published US government report that claimed Israel was not impeding

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Speaker 1: humanitarian assistance to Gaza. That outgoing officials named Stacy Gilbert

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Speaker 1: served in the State Department's Bureau Population Refugees and Migration.

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Speaker 1: Gilbert sent an email to staff Tuesday explaining her view

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Speaker 1: the State Department was wrong to conclude Israel had not

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Speaker 1: obstructed humanitarian aid to Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Officials who read the letter.

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Speaker 1: Said, you've had a number of other Biden administration officials

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Speaker 1: who have resigned for very similar reasons. This letter in particular.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys probably remember this. We covered this

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Speaker 1: in the build up to this. The US has laws

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Speaker 1: in place that say you can't legally the lay He Act,

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Speaker 1: you can't ship weapons to a country that is committed

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Speaker 1: using them to commit war crimes or that is blocking

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Speaker 1: humanitarian aid. And so Congress with pressure on the administration,

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Speaker 1: we need you to produce a report looking into whether

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Speaker 1: you can legally ship these weapons to Israel. So State

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Speaker 1: Department direct their feet for a while, they postponed the report.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately they dropped the report it like you know, in

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Speaker 1: the evening on Friday, typical like trying to bury the news.

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Speaker 5: And they said, well, there's.

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Speaker 1: Some problems here and we're concerned, but ultimately no, we

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Speaker 1: think it's all finding good. Now, every independent organization that

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Speaker 1: has looked at the AID situation specifically has said Israel

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Speaker 1: is blocking AID. You know, people starving to death, like

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Speaker 1: it's You've got trucks lined up for miles and miles

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Speaker 1: and miles at the border. It's very clear what's going

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Speaker 1: on here. But still they you know, weaseled their way

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Speaker 1: into some sort of you know, uh finding that, oh

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Speaker 1: we trust the Israelis when they say that they're they're

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Speaker 1: doing the best that they can. And so she left

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Speaker 1: specifically overspeed with this report thing effectively like this is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Of course they're blocking AID. I can't stay in this

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Speaker 1: position if you're going to pretend otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is yeah, I think this is a huge,

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Speaker 4: a huge, like ongoing theme is all the ICC conversation,

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Speaker 4: for example, is that Israel and.

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Speaker 6: The United States.

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Speaker 4: This is not a new thing, but when humanitarian aid

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Speaker 4: or international law is something that is beneficial to their

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Speaker 4: foreign policy for public relations or political purposes, it becomes

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Speaker 4: very important.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: And on the other hand, you have people in the

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Speaker 4: Israeli government or you know, and their supporters.

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Speaker 6: Around the world saying like, this is a war.

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Speaker 4: What do you think war is? This is what war

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Speaker 4: looks like. And those are inconsistent positions. Now, it's true,

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Speaker 4: you can wage war, and you know, necessarily, even if

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Speaker 4: you it's the most just war in the history of mankind,

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Speaker 4: there will still likely be civilian casualties.

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Speaker 6: That's the tragedy of war, even of just war. But

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Speaker 6: these two.

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Speaker 4: Positions are not compatible. To say, on the one hand,

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Speaker 4: international law is extremely important in Ukraine and in Russia,

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Speaker 4: and when it comes to Israel, well, they're not a

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Speaker 4: partney to the ICC, like you know, doing the best

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Speaker 4: that they can.

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Speaker 6: It's one or the other for broad purposes.

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Speaker 4: And that's a really really frustrating thing. Again, like I

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Speaker 4: said earlier, generally before October seventh have been pro is rule.

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Speaker 6: I think they had to.

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Speaker 4: Respond to October some I think we agree on that

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Speaker 4: they had to respond to October seventh in someway or another.

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Speaker 4: But since then all of this in the service of

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Speaker 4: a cause that's impossible, which is annihilating Hamas, like the

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Speaker 4: actual ambition impossible, technically impossible at this point in time

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Speaker 4: unless you are okay with mass civilian casualties. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's what a lot of people don't want to

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Speaker 4: say aloud.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing is, I think they always knew

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Speaker 1: that that goal was impossible. I don't think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're telling them anything they didn't realize from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: There were comments made from our own defense officials, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of this war, saying this is basically

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Speaker 1: impossible if you were going to even try to do

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Speaker 1: it the way they went to dib out. It was

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Speaker 1: the total polar opposite of what you would do if

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Speaker 1: you actually were going to strategically go in and directly

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Speaker 1: target Hamas.

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Speaker 5: You need to work with.

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Speaker 1: The population, You need to give them some other path

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Speaker 1: that is more appealing than what Hamas has to offer.

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Speaker 1: And so the goal has always been annihilation. I think

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Speaker 1: Professor Meersheimer is correct when he says, you know, the

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Speaker 1: long term goal and certainly the accelerated goal here was

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Speaker 1: originally ethnic cleansing. They basically failed in being able to

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Speaker 1: push everybody out of the Gods strip, so it just

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Speaker 1: turned to annihilation and genocide, and you know that's where

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Speaker 1: that's effectively where we are, which is why it's increasingly,

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Speaker 1: you know, difficult for their defenders to you know, see

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Speaker 1: the images that are coming out and stick with this

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Speaker 1: line that oh, they're doing everything they can to product

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Speaker 1: civilian life, like we can all see what is happening.

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Speaker 1: And so there was a bit of a damn breaking.

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Speaker 1: As I said in Hollywood too this week, this was

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. You put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of different Hollywood figures. This is

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Speaker 1: Aaron paul Is Breaking Bad actor played Jesse Pinkman. Here

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Speaker 1: you have Dualpa pop star. You also have Ariana Grande

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Speaker 1: obviously another top top pop star, and Billy Eichner as well.

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Speaker 1: And that first image put the next one up on

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Speaker 1: the screen, the next element we have. So for some reason,

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Speaker 1: this particular image really went viral, says all Eyes on Rafa,

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Speaker 1: and it has what appears to be an AI generated

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Speaker 1: image of can't really tell what I think people are

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Speaker 1: assuming they're tense, but I don't think they're actually tense.

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Speaker 1: This also doesn't appear to be rafa at all. I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, this is the image that went viral,

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Speaker 1: which was kind of strange, but here we are. But

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Speaker 1: more interesting to me is the fact that you now

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Speaker 1: are at a point where Hollywood, which was very reluctant.

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Speaker 1: You remember in the early days, there were huge recriminations

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Speaker 1: over anyone in Hollywood we said anything that was remotely

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Speaker 1: pro palace in your remotely critical of Israel, massive career consequences,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. You're now at a point where people apparently

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Speaker 1: feel safe enough to post these sorts of things. And

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Speaker 1: also I think where just you know, the images that

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Speaker 1: came out this week were so indefensible that there was

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Speaker 1: a sense of like, all right, we got to say something,

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Speaker 1: even if it's you know, doing the minimum of like

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Speaker 1: posting this AI generated image.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm not in Generation Z, but I will say

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Speaker 4: the all eyes on RAFA meme. That a picture that

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Speaker 4: we just showed on the screen, And if you're listening,

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Speaker 4: it's probably what you all saw on your Instagram. So

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Speaker 4: that was the most viral at least political thing, but

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 4: probably a cultural thing period that I've seen on Instagram

1517
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 4: since the BLM squares the Black Squares. Oh really, Yeah,

1518
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything go that viral since then. So

1519
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 4: it speaks to we're going to talk about this later.

1520
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 4: How I think, especially young people feel about the conflict,

1521
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 4: which is diametrically opposed how a lot of people in

1522
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 4: other generations just on average feel about the conflict. So

1523
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 4: my take on it as it went viral because it's

1524
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 4: there was a simplicity to it. It felt like it

1525
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 4: wasn't you know, it felt like it wasn't taking a side,

1526
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like that all eyes on

1527
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,839
Speaker 4: Rafa is so simple and general.

1528
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 6: It's easy for people.

1529
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an easy, I guess slogan for people to

1530
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 4: get behind. And I'm not begrudging people who posted it,

1531
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 4: but I think that's probably explains why it was more.

1532
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 4: It was used more than other propoustine means have been.

1533
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just yeah, I mean, who knows why

1534
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: things go viral, why a particular thing takes off, you know,

1535
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: was it because of the size of the account, that

1536
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: initially posted it. I have no idea, but is it

1537
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: was weird because there were so many actual horrifying images

1538
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: coming out Rafa that the one that went viral was

1539
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: this ai ai not even looking like.

1540
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 4: Rafa, shipping container, boat car whatever it was, but it looks.

1541
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 6: Used car lot. I don't.

1542
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: I saw someone say this is like shipping containers and Argentinas.

1543
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. It wasn't Rafa. I

1544
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: don't think it was real at all. But in any case,

1545
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: I think some of these pop stars who rely for

1546
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: their stardom too on young people are feeling more and

1547
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: more pressure. You also see Maclamore, who kind of you know,

1548
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: was like relatively irrelevant to the cultural scene, came out

1549
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: with his Propalace, I mean a hit and has had

1550
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: huge you know, it was like had a career high

1551
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: in terms of a number of the Billboard charts. And

1552
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: so I think there was a sense of with the

1553
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: kids and the tents and the horror of those burned

1554
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: bodies and actual happitate to be I mean, just horrible things.

1555
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: I think there was a build up of pressure like

1556
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: all right, well we got to say something. And to

1557
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: your point, this was maybe kind of like this the

1558
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: safest thing that they felt like they felt comfortable putting

1559
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: their name too.

1560
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 4: I agree, And of course, yeah, I should say it

1561
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 4: wasn't just because it was simple that it went viral,

1562
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 4: was because it was something simple that happened, or that

1563
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 4: went viral after the mistake.

1564
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 6: What did now? Who call it a tragic magic?

1565
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 4: So even when you have Israel conceding that those images

1566
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 4: were real and a quote tragic mistake, that's actually different

1567
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 4: than some of the other tragedies that we've seen unfolded

1568
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: World Central Kitchen, et cetera.

1569
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 1: That they actually did ultimately use similar language with World

1570
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: Central Kitchen. But after a while race, after they've exhausted

1571
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: every other and it was the same here. You know,

1572
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: first the IDF was crowing about they, oh, we got

1573
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: these two Hamas bad guys, which maybe they did, maybe

1574
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: they didn't. We don't actually have proof, but that was

1575
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: their original was like, yay, we're awesome, look at how

1576
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: great we did. And then once there was massive international condemnation,

1577
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: including some weak concerns express the US, that's when you

1578
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: get the oh, it's a tragic mistake, and you know,

1579
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: we're very sorry for the civilian loss of life, et cetera,

1580
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1581
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 6: But it seems to mething that happened, that turnaround was

1582
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 6: faster this time.

1583
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: But it was, yeah, because it was the pressure was

1584
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 4: really really high from the US and well from people

1585
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 4: in the US and pressuring their own politicians and.

1586
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 6: All of that.

1587
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: But you know, ironically, I saw Ryan sharing this, so

1588
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: Bbe describes it as a tragic mistake, which seems to

1589
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: indicate some regret for the loss of Palestinian civilian life.

1590
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: There was a Palestinian Israeli who posted similar concern for

1591
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: the loss of Palestinian civilian life in Rafa, who was

1592
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: arrested for posting that on social media. And Israel fantastic democracy,

1593
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: only democracy in the Middle East the bold bag. Yes,

1594
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: all right, So we move on to our own country

1595
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: and how people are feeling about things over here.

1596
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: In other news, the American Empire is dying according to

1597
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 4: an entire generation of people. Yeah, it's really what we

1598
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 4: have in front of us. We can put this first

1599
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 4: tear sheet up on the screen. A dying empire led

1600
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 4: by bad people. That's just the headline. Poll finds young

1601
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 4: voters despairing over US politics. Actually a very accurate encapsulation

1602
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 4: of this poll, which is from Blueprint, young voters overwhelmingly

1603
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 4: believe that almost all politicians are corrupt amen and that

1604
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 4: the country will end up worse off than when they

1605
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 4: were born. Blueprint is a democratic firm. We should note

1606
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 4: Semaphore got this polling exclusively, so it was an online

1607
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 4: poll of eighteen to thirty year old registered voters, which

1608
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 4: is actually interesting, Crystal, because a lot of people who

1609
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 4: probably have even more cynical impressions of the country and

1610
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 4: the country's future, are simply not registered to vote. So

1611
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 4: if anything, this is probably undercounting the way people feel

1612
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 4: about the country, because if you're not registered to vote,

1613
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 4: you probably already lack I think hope. In a lot

1614
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 4: of cases, not everyone who's not registered to vote. Some

1615
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 4: people just aren't like really into politics and don't want

1616
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 4: to vote, which is perfectly understandable. But for a lot

1617
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 4: of people who are just like, well, I'm not going

1618
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 4: to vote, Why am I going to vote? You know what,

1619
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 4: do you want me to choose from this corrupt politician

1620
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: or the other corrupt politician, which was what we were

1621
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 4: talking about in.

1622
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 6: Fact earlier in the show.

1623
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: So of nine hundred and forty three eighteen to thirty

1624
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 4: year old registered voters blueprint. This dem firm asked them

1625
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 4: to respond to a series of questions about the American

1626
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: political system. Forty nine percent agreed to some extent that

1627
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 4: elections in the country don't represent people like them, Fifty

1628
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 4: one percent agreed to some extent that the political system

1629
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 4: in the US quote doesn't work for people like me,

1630
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 4: and sixty four percent back to the statement that quote

1631
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: America is in decline. A whopping sixty five percent agreed

1632
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 4: either strongly or somewhat that quote nearly all politicians are

1633
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 4: corrupt and make money from their political power. Now, I

1634
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,839
Speaker 4: will say also, only seven percent disagreed.

1635
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 6: There are notes.

1636
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: I want to know who.

1637
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 4: It's really Those are the seven percent of voters of

1638
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 4: the people that will actually go for Biden, like the

1639
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 4: youth for Biden. Like it's just all that, it's just Harry, yes, yes.

1640
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 4: But it's also worth noting that that wording is so

1641
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,919
Speaker 4: funny to me because it says you're either somewhat agreeing

1642
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 4: that nearly all politicians are corrupt, Like it's so like

1643
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 4: the way that it's it's worded is so like hedging.

1644
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, You somewhat agree that nearly

1645
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 6: all politicians are corrupt. That's just.

1646
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: I mean, how could anyone disagree with that? Who are

1647
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,520
Speaker 4: the seven.

1648
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,879
Speaker 6: Percent of these people?

1649
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 4: Well, the sea before continues, well, forty five percent of

1650
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 4: people pulled to their own lives would be either a

1651
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 4: lot or a little bit better than their parents. The

1652
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 4: same wasn't true for how they felt America as a

1653
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 4: whole is doing. Fifty four percent believed the country is

1654
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 4: going down hill. I feel like Crystal, maybe there are

1655
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 4: a lot of breaking points viewers, and here we can

1656
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 4: start to put some of these numbers up on the screen.

1657
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 6: This is D two.

1658
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 4: D two is America's jaded youth vote. This doesn't matter

1659
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 4: who wins elections, nothing changes. Strongly agree, twenty percent somewhat agree,

1660
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 4: twenty eight percent somewhat disagree, and strongly disagree. Those are

1661
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 4: only at thirteen percent, respectively. So that's only twenty six

1662
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 4: percent of eighteen to thirty year olds who disagree.

1663
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 1: Who say that elections may somewhat matter exactly.

1664
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just.

1665
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: And then I only think about the pitch that Biden

1666
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: is making two young voters, that is, your life is

1667
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: literally on the line in this election. That's how much

1668
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: it matters. And then you look at these numbers. They

1669
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: just don't agree with you. They just don't agree with you.

1670
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 4: And he needs I mean, he desperately needs young voters,

1671
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 4: desperately needs young voters, because we've seen not just young

1672
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: voters falling away from Joe Biden, but some pulling five

1673
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 4: on the margins where it's really gonna matter for Joe

1674
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 4: bart for Joe Biden in a state like Wisconsin where

1675
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 4: those college towns are super influential, and that's you know,

1676
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 4: swing states all over, Like those college towns are very

1677
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 4: influential in the swing states, people actually moving to Trump

1678
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 4: from Biden, and Trump is making a similarly existential pitch.

1679
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 4: So it's not as though Trump is out here being like, eh,

1680
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 4: you know, every you know, make America or like keep

1681
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 4: America great, which was his pitch in twenty twenty oh

1682
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,560
Speaker 4: that was rough as an incumbent.

1683
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: But even he didn't like that one, never really leaned

1684
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: into it. No, Yeah, I mean I love a dying

1685
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: empire led by bad people. I feel like that should

1686
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: be the name of our election coverage.

1687
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: Nailed it pretty well. I would say we should put

1688
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 5: that on a mug.

1689
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 6: Very dying led.

1690
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: By bad people again who could disagree. I mean, honestly,

1691
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: I know they only focus on eighteen to thirty year olds,

1692
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: but I think you would find a lot of some sentiments,

1693
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: especially in the next age group up like millennial slash

1694
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: gen X. I think you would see a lot of

1695
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: similar sentiments, and then you'd as you got older, you

1696
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: would find people who were a little bit more positive,

1697
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: a little more hopeful about the electoral system, and felt

1698
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: like Moore was on the line with regard to this selection.

1699
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: That's why older voters have stuck with Joe Biden, people

1700
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: who voted for Joe Biden last time around. The one

1701
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: cohort that is really sticking with him very strongly is

1702
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: older voters. And so you know, again it speaks to

1703
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: how not compelling their pitches to this demographic that they

1704
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: desperately need, and why all of the voter shaming that

1705
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: you see around, especially the you know, unconditional support for

1706
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Israel is also not effective. It's just like, oh, how

1707
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: dare you say anything critical of Joe Biden. Don't you

1708
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: know you're helping Trump?

1709
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 5: And you know, for.

1710
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: Young people who like me see this as a genocide

1711
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: and see it as a stark moral line. That's just

1712
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: not going to be a compelling pitch. You have to

1713
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: change the policy, and there is no sign that they

1714
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: have any intention of changing the policy. So yeah, it's

1715
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: pretty dire numbers. It's huge trouble for Joe Biden. The

1716
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: fact it's a democratic pulling firm actually is significant because

1717
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 1: it means they would kind of be inclined towards showing

1718
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,440
Speaker 1: some more favorable numbers.

1719
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: Towards Joe Biden.

1720
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: But it's also just a dire statement about how decrepit

1721
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: and how in decline the state of our democracy is.

1722
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: When you have this many people in younger generations, which

1723
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the most idealistic, the most hopeful

1724
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: about the future, saying no, I don't have that hope.

1725
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't think things are getting better. I don't think

1726
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: there's an inevitability of progress. I think we're backsliding and

1727
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: going the wrong direction. I mean that those are dire

1728
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: warning signs for the country as a whole.

1729
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 4: Imagine trying to do those old school rock the vote

1730
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Speaker 4: campaigns with this generation seriously.

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Speaker 6: And that brings me to the next thing we wanted

1732
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 6: to talk about.

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Speaker 4: We're super fascinating data hear from the Washington Post when

1734
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 4: America was great according to data, we can start to

1735
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 4: put some of these next charts up on the screen.

1736
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Speaker 4: But just reading from the Post's analysis, Okay, so for haters,

1737
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 4: there's no time like the present. That's what the Post found.

1738
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 4: That's how they and that's how they phrased what they found.

1739
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 4: And if you're listening to this, what you're seeing on

1740
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 4: your screen is huge spikes starting around the late twenty

1741
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 4: tens on questions of this is the time with the

1742
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 4: most political division, the least reliable news reporting, the least

1743
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 4: close knit communities, and the least moral society. You have

1744
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 4: a pretty consistent number in all cases on those questions

1745
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 4: from the nineteen thirties until about I would say it's

1746
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: most of those start to slightly glow up around the

1747
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 4: around like two thousand, Yeah, if you're looking at it,

1748
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 4: But then after twenty fifteen, twenty ten, just an insane spike.

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Speaker 6: I can't give a.

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01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 5: Little bit of recency bias here, I'd.

1751
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 4: Say, yeah, and I look a little bit. It looks

1752
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 4: exactly like a backwards L. I guess, I mean it's

1753
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 4: not quite a j because that line is so for

1754
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 4: all of them and then goes up so starkly. It

1755
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 4: really does look like a backwards L here. Yeah, And

1756
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 4: as we keep going through these charts, because there's more

1757
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 4: interesting stuff here most crime least happy families think.

1758
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: That is a funny one because that's actually like measurable.

1759
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 6: Yes, and then eighties and nineties, like.

1760
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: Other things, are an opinion, you know, the least happy fail.

1761
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 1: Even the worst economy, the only one, even the worst

1762
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: economy people have now rated worse than the nineteen thirties.

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01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 6: That one looks more like a U.

1764
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, only one where thirties.

1765
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 4: Yes, because it's also very high in the nineteen thirties

1766
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 4: and then pretty consistent throughout the mid century, well throughout

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01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 4: the whole century, actually between nineteen thirty and again like

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01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 4: twenty ten roughly, So that's an interesting one. And but

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01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 4: again the rest of these look like backwards l's. We

1770
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 4: keep moving through the deity here the worst three.

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Speaker 6: This is good worst music.

1772
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Speaker 4: It's not quite as severe as spike as the political ones,

1773
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 4: but you still see a decent spike around twenty ten.

1774
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 4: Worst tell vision looks similar to worst music. Worst radio

1775
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 4: programming goes up around I don't know twenty ten as.

1776
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 6: Well, and worst movies.

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Speaker 4: Also goes up around maybe like two thousand on that one.

1778
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 4: So basically, across the board, what you're seeing is an

1779
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Speaker 4: increase in let's say this is the best way to

1780
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 4: put it. Across the board, you're seeing steep increases in.

1781
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Speaker 6: Let's say I like dissatisfaction. Yeah, with American culture.

1782
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny though, is they also asked the

1783
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: opposite question. They asked like when was the best radio

1784
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 1: programming and the best sporting events and the best television.

1785
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of recency bias there too,

1786
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 1: where there were a lot of people who were picking

1787
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: now in terms of the best now. It wasn't as

1788
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: like clear cut as those just you know, backwards Dell

1789
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: shaped graphs that Emily was describing, But like for the

1790
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Speaker 1: best television, you have very clearly, you know, the current

1791
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: moment winning out the best boarding events, the current moment,

1792
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Speaker 1: the best cuisine. It was like off the charts, the

1793
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: current moment, best work life balance was the current moment

1794
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: one out over other decades. So you just have you know,

1795
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: people who are feeling like, you know, whether it's the

1796
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: best or the worst, they feel very strongly about the present.

1797
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: I guess it is recency bias.

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Speaker 5: I think the worst one.

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Speaker 1: I think it just speaks to this deep sense similar

1800
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Speaker 1: to the semaphore polling about the sense that it's, you know,

1801
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: a dying empire led by bad people of decline, you know,

1802
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: of things are degrading and things are chaotic, and things

1803
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: are going off the rails, and you know, I'm just

1804
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm like expressing that in all of these different venues,

1805
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: even in things like the best radio programming or the

1806
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: worst radio programming, the worst news reporting, et cetera.

1807
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 4: Well, and starting in nineteen thirty year between the two

1808
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 4: World Wars, and so the twentieth century, despite two horrific

1809
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 4: world wars, was a there was just.

1810
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 6: A lot of hope in the West.

1811
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 4: The West was a very hope full place after sort

1812
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 4: of enduring those two incredibly incredible tribulations, and people came

1813
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 4: out of them with a lot of hope. And it's

1814
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 4: just very interesting that the hope is what's I think

1815
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 4: being sucked out.

1816
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 6: And you see that in some of these numbers. I

1817
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 6: think we have a couple more.

1818
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 4: Numbers, we have more elements in this block just to

1819
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 4: run through. Yeah, worst fashion, most war, shortest life expectancy,

1820
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 4: Oh my, goodness, we're sporting events. Actually, the shortest life

1821
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 4: expectancy one is interesting because it did start to decrease.

1822
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: American life expensive did start to decrease right around where

1823
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 4: people start picking up on that in the graph.

1824
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and obviously a lot of war too.

1825
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 4: Yes, And you see that spike in the roughly looks

1826
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 4: like the nineteen forties, which makes sense.

1827
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 6: But then during the Cold.

1828
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 4: War period where there were wars all over the place,

1829
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 4: it wasn't really that cold of a war because we

1830
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 4: were fighting or aiding people in hot wars all around

1831
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 4: the country or all around the around the world. That

1832
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 4: was different in we have one more element here, few

1833
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 4: ast scientific breakthroughs.

1834
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 6: That's a loss of hope too. It feels like you see.

1835
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 4: An increase there that's rushed Outlet's book on decadence.

1836
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 6: I highly recommend reading that one.

1837
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 4: Least racially equality starts to spike. It was higher in

1838
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 4: the nineteen thirties, least gender equality higher in the nineteen thirties,

1839
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 4: but starts to spike again around the twenty tens.

1840
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 6: A lot of this crystal.

1841
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 4: I also see some fascinating studies on how media influences

1842
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 4: the way we see race relations that when media coverage,

1843
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 4: for example, if you ask people how many shootings of

1844
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 4: unarmed black men there are, or.

1845
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 6: Actually just black Americans there.

1846
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 4: Are, people will wildly overestimate it in times of media covers.

1847
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 4: That's really heavy and it also reminds me of some

1848
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 4: of these other things too. Just you can see how

1849
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 4: when the media is telling us one thing, we were

1850
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 4: really perceptive to the media narrative, despite how much we

1851
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 4: hate the media.

1852
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting too. Yeah, I mean, I

1853
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: think we have this sort of innate to the human experience.

1854
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: We always overestimate something either that we experience or that

1855
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: we're like seeing on the news, how prevalent it is,

1856
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: whatever that thing is in society. So, like, you know,

1857
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: the life expectancy thing makes sense because we just covered

1858
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: on this show how our life expectancy is here in

1859
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the US is declining a pretty rapid clip, and that

1860
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: it's unique to the US. The other developing nation we

1861
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: have the lowest life expectancy of any G seven developed

1862
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: nation and they aren't trending in the same direction we are.

1863
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: So it is a very specific US trend. So there's

1864
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: been I would say, actually not nearly enough coverage, but

1865
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: there has been some coverage of it, and so that

1866
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: contributes to a sense of not only is it declining,

1867
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 1: but actually it's the worst that it's ever been. That's

1868
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: obviously not the case, but you know, as humans have

1869
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 1: a funny way of processing things.

1870
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 5: This next put up a.

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Speaker 1: D four because this is interesting too in terms of

1872
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Speaker 1: how interesting our partisan valance impacts the way that we

1873
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: see things. Now, this has been the case for quite

1874
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: a while. When you have a Republican president in office,

1875
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: Republicans are much more likely to say the economy is great,

1876
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: and Democrats are much likely more likely to say the

1877
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: economy's trash. And you can see how things totally reverse

1878
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: course the instant that Joe Biden is elected in twenty twenty.

1879
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Suddenly Democrats feel pretty good about the economy and Republicans

1880
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: take a dive off a cliff. Now, I will say,

1881
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 1: if we look overall here, you can see that Democrats,

1882
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: even under Joe Biden, do not reach the levels of

1883
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: positive economic sentiment that Republicans did under Donald Trump. And

1884
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,879
Speaker 1: so you know, if you look overall, the economic sentiment

1885
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: was overall on average much higher under Donald Trump than

1886
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: it is under Joe Biden and you can see independence

1887
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: and also had a much higher opinion of the economy

1888
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: under Donald Trump than they do under Joe Biden. So

1889
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, to take those overall numbers is in some

1890
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 1: ways more important. But the partisan split is nevertheless interesting

1891
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: that people on a dive when it's Trump and off

1892
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: is the very next day when Joe Biden is inaugurated,

1893
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: suddenly you're like, oh, actually, I think the economy is

1894
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: getting better.

1895
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 7: I like it.

1896
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 4: And you know another thing is Democrats now tend to

1897
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 4: be more affluent and so they're more invested in the

1898
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 4: stock market, which is a change. Obviously it wasn't always

1899
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 4: like that, but it's been a flip and a small

1900
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Speaker 4: one for now. But I think that's still relevant here

1901
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 4: that you know, when the stock market is doing well,

1902
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean the economy is great, although that's what

1903
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: they tell you constantly and CNBC and you know, sometimes

1904
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 4: they add nuance to it, but it's not the same thing.

1905
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 4: Like a great stock market isn't the same thing as.

1906
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:46,879
Speaker 6: A great economy.

1907
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those that tried actually reminded me two of

1908
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 4: the crime numbers we showed, because it's again, you know,

1909
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 4: when the media like you were pointing out crime in

1910
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties. I mean, we're going to get

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01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 4: to this in just a second. Let's PUTD five up

1912
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 4: on the screen. Which decade would you most want to

1913
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 4: live in? The Republicans really into the eighties, Democrats lesson

1914
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 4: to the eighties.

1915
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 5: It's also into the eighties.

1916
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Independence into the eighties.

1917
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Speaker 5: I's love in the now.

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Speaker 4: But just in terms of crime, as we were talking

1919
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 4: about again, like people forget how bad it was in

1920
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 4: cities in the eighties and nineties, and.

1921
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 6: DC is a good example of that.

1922
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 4: Media coverage about crime is reasonably tough, and what's happening

1923
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 4: here in DC, but even here in DC is not

1924
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 4: We're not at the levels that we were in DC

1925
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 4: in the nineties. Yeah, it's actually ninety n close.

1926
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: And also this is another one you were talking about,

1927
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, shootings of black men. This is another one

1928
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: where the media narrative really fuels a misperception because there

1929
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: has been a crime spike, but actually the violent crimes

1930
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Speaker 1: have abated almost across the board in the country in

1931
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:57,440
Speaker 1: the past year, but there is very little public awareness

1932
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 1: of that because of you know, when crime is covered,

1933
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, there's crime everywhere, and since there

1934
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: is a large amount of a more significant amount of

1935
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: coverage of crime, that can lead to misperceptions about what

1936
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 1: the overall numbers are. So you feel like, oh, this

1937
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 1: is the worst crime we've ever seen in American history,

1938
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 1: but just by the numbers, that's like clearly not the case.

1939
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 6: And this is super interesting.

1940
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Speaker 4: Let's end on D six here because it sort of

1941
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 4: speaks to the psychology that's going on.

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01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 6: The Washington Post writes, So we.

1943
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 4: Looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between

1944
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Speaker 4: each person's birth year and their ideal decades. So that's

1945
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Speaker 4: what we're breaking down here. The consistency of the resulting

1946
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 4: pattern delighted us. It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not

1947
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 4: for a specific era, but for specific age. The good

1948
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 4: old days when America was quote great. Aren't the nineteen fifties.

1949
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 4: They're whatever decade you were eleven, your parents knew the

1950
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 4: correct answer to any question and you never heard of

1951
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 4: war crimes, tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices, or when

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01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 4: you were fifteen and athletes and musicians still played hard

1953
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 4: and hadn't sold out. Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks

1954
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 4: as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to

1955
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 4: the most popular age for each question, we can chart

1956
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 4: a simple life of nostalgia. Now, Chrystal, I actually think

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01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 4: what is incredibly sad to me when I read this

1958
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,759
Speaker 4: is I don't think gen Z and what Jen Alpha,

1959
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 4: the generation behind gen Z, is this is a pattern

1960
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 4: that is consistent across like the last roughly one hundred years,

1961
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Speaker 4: like every generational live right now. If you look at

1962
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Speaker 4: these Washington Post numbers, I don't know that this is

1963
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 4: going to be true. I'm actually very doubtful that this

1964
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 4: will be as true for those generations because if you

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01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 4: look at have you seen how viral it is? Just

1966
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 4: so depressing and how viral The videos that are just

1967
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 4: people's old camcorder recordings of a day in the life

1968
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 4: of a high schooler and like nineteen ninety nine have.

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Speaker 6: Gone on YouTube.

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01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 5: No, not aware of it.

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01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 4: It's all it's not people like you and me watching it.

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Speaker 6: It's gen Z.

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01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 4: They're watching these these time caps with these windows into

1974
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 4: what life looked like before so and that's how they

1975
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 4: react to the videos that like, everyone seems so happy,

1976
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 4: it seems so simple. And in the Washington Post description,

1977
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 4: here they say, you know, your parents are the correct

1978
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 4: answer to any question. You never heard of war crimes, trip,

1979
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 4: you knows microplastics or IED's. Well, if you are young

1980
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 4: right now, if you're eleven, right now, the decade that

1981
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Speaker 4: you're eleven, right now, you're on social media, and whether

1982
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 4: you want to see this stuff or not, you are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My son is literally about to turn eleven, so he's

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01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: right in there. Yeah. I mean, it's funny with this

1986
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: stuff because on the one hand, I feel like there

1987
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: were a lot of things that were superior about like

1988
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Speaker 1: the pre smartphone. Agree, I mean, the smartphone is really

1989
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: the tipping point, right.

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Speaker 4: I think so, And I think that's why you see

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Speaker 4: a lot of those numbers spik around twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: There was more like human connection, we're seeing each other

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Speaker 1: in person, more ability to disconnect from the news, and

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01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: less like you know, social media bullying and all of

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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. On the other hand, would I

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01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: want to get rid of my smartphone? No, you know,

1997
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: because like obviously there's positive of me. I mean to me,

1998
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Speaker 1: when I think back about when I started driving, when

1999
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: I was sixteen and I didn't have Google Maps, I

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01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: was printing out I mean, I was like printing out map. Yes, yeah,

2001
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: back before that when you had a real ass map

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01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: trying to get places mine.

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Speaker 5: Did anyone get that? Is crazy to me.

2004
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 4: The amount of like soccer games that it was like,

2005
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to be five minutes late, not for the

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01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 4: warm up before the game because my mind was like

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Speaker 4: missing a street and I used to be like, well,

2008
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Speaker 4: what are you doing, just like get to the soccer game,

2009
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Speaker 4: And now I'm like I couldn't do that. It's like,

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Speaker 4: what do you mean turn on this road and then

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01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 4: turn on that road?

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01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,759
Speaker 6: You want me to remember the direction?

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Speaker 1: And even with the map quest like you miss a turn,

2014
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Speaker 1: it's not updating automatically where you now have new directions.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we'll take this other route.

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Speaker 1: No, you missed a turn, Like what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're done. You can't readjusts. You have to like

2018
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Speaker 6: get unfold the map and the box. Yeah we route.

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Speaker 4: So I stop at a gas station and ask for directions.

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Speaker 1: I had to do that. I was trying to get

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01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: to the University of Maryland. I was terrifying. I missed

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01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: exits because you were going to be there because there

2023
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: were like you know, it's where four ninety five and

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01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't want something in two seventy or something splits

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01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 1: off and I missed whatever I was supposed to do,

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01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm just not going to find it.

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01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm not going to find it. This is never going

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01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: to happen. So there are some things that are more

2029
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: positive about.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, and we've just like stumbled into the biggest conversation

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Speaker 4: of our generations about like the benefits of some of this,

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01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 4: like hyper modern social media based technology like the smartphone

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01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 4: and everything. So, yeah, we could go on for we

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01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 4: could do a whole episode on this alone. Yeah, I

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01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 4: would give up my smartphone though, I would would I

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01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 4: would brave the maps. No, I can't do it because

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01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 4: I'll miss the text from Sager memes.

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01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 5: We need you to fill in.

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01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 6: Uh Snager sending like Andrew Schultz clip. I dn't miss that.

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01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly exactly.

2041
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't give it up. I did think

2042
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: it was super interesting the tracks with what probably we

2043
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 1: all experience, especially as some of us get older, but

2044
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: that it's so consistent whatever your whenever you were fifteen

2045
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: basically is when you.

2046
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 5: Thought the music was the best, it's snl phenomenon.

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01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever you were eleven is when you say families

2048
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 1: were the closest. Yeah, whenever you were like nineteen is

2049
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: when you think that music, events and fashion like things

2050
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: that you're starting to get into once you get older,

2051
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: you're starting to get a job and have money to

2052
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: do these things. That's when you think that was the peak.

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01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 1: And across generations it's super super consistent. Those things I

2054
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: think will be the same for gen Z and general like.

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01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I think they'll feel like the music of their you know,

2056
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: youth was the pinnacle of music. The Drake Kendrick Beef

2057
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 1: was the pinnacle of artistic creation.

2058
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 4: Or that's what Matt I'll think when producer Mac is

2059
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 4: interviewed by Upholster thirty years from now, he'll be like, oh,

2060
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I remember that Drake.

2061
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: That was the golden era.

2062
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 6: We've never had a better, never had it better.

2063
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: Although being a music of my era, I was gonna say,

2064
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 1: don't date yourself.

2065
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 5: Christ too late for that, guys.

2066
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 4: On a much more serious note, these allegations and the

2067
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 4: investigation into Ditty is getting really serious. We can put

2068
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,480
Speaker 4: the first hairsheet up on the screen. This is CNN reporting.

2069
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry, we have a slot, but CNN actually

2070
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,839
Speaker 4: had an exclusive report showing that the dj is prepping

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01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 4: to put Ditty in front of a grand jury, and

2072
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 4: that's going to be probably in relation as CNN is

2073
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 4: reporting from sources to sexual assault. But also now it's

2074
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 4: getting more serious because they're also investigating him from for

2075
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 4: sex trafficking, for drugging.

2076
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 6: For money laundering.

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01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 4: All of these new charges getting added. So after the

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01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 4: CNN article ran, they did a quick announcement about what

2079
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 4: their reporters have found on the area yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Since November, you'll probably remember that Combs has been named

2082
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Speaker 4: in eight civil lawsuits, seven directly accusing him of sexual assault.

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01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:16,839
Speaker 12: The biggest escalation since those March raids on Ditty's homes

2084
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 12: in Los Angeles and Miami. We are now hearing that

2085
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 12: federal investigators are preparing to possibly bring witnesses in front

2086
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 12: of a federal grand jury in New York City. What

2087
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,560
Speaker 12: we have heard is that possible witnesses have been notified

2088
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 12: that they could be called to testify. Now, sources do

2089
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 12: caution that investigators are still in the process of gathering information.

2090
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 12: In fact, they are still calling in new witnesses and

2091
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,919
Speaker 12: they have called in some witnesses multiple times.

2092
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 6: We also hear that the.

2093
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,480
Speaker 12: Majority of the accusers who have filed these civil lawsuits

2094
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 12: against Sean Ditty Combs have been brought in for questioning

2095
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,799
Speaker 12: and again some of them being called in newnumerous times.

2096
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 12: We hear that many are cooperating and even handing over

2097
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 12: evidence that they feel could be relevant into this federal probe. Now,

2098
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 12: a spokesperson for Homeland Security did not respond to our

2099
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 12: request for comment about the presence of a grand jury,

2100
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 12: but they did confirm that this investigation is presently ongoing. So,

2101
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 12: as I mentioned those federal raids that were conducted on

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Speaker 12: his homes back in March, obviously a lot of people

2103
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 12: wondering what was seized. While we are learning now that

2104
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 12: federal investigators are in possession a video footage that was

2105
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 12: taken inside of Combs's residence, we hear that these investigators

2106
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:44,520
Speaker 12: have been contacting individuals that they have seen on this footage.

2107
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 12: One person, in addition to the accusers who have filed

2108
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 12: these civil suits, is a male sex worker, that is

2109
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Speaker 12: what a source tells me, and that they have been

2110
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 12: brought in for questioning through these federal investigators. Now, when

2111
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 12: the raids first happened. We had a law enforcement tell

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01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 12: us at CNN that the investigation was largely based in

2113
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Speaker 12: sex trafficking, which is what HSI specializes in. Now we

2114
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 12: are hearing that that scope has been widened and that

2115
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 12: investigators are really looking into all of these claims put

2116
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 12: forth in these civil lawsuits that would include not just

2117
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Speaker 12: sex traffic, but also money laundering and illegal drugs.

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Speaker 6: I have a source who tells.

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Speaker 12: Me, quote, this is much bigger than just these lawsuits.

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Speaker 4: And it's actually much bigger than just Ditty. I think

2121
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Speaker 4: that's a really important point that we alluded to at

2122
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 4: the beginning of the episode. We're talking about a billion

2123
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 4: dollar empire, and so in a lot of ways that

2124
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 4: the early iteration of the me too movement brought in

2125
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 4: complicit corporations. Basically, in all of these suits, it's not

2126
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 4: just Ditty that's named, it's relevant companies, it's affiliated companies. Obviously,

2127
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 4: he's known for being not just a successful musician, but

2128
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 4: for turning that into a successful business career, and so

2129
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 4: it's looking very possible that a lot of people were

2130
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 4: complicit that were knowledgeable. I know a lot of people

2131
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:12,520
Speaker 4: have made great points about the warnings that other celebrities

2132
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 4: who had seen the victimization themselves were making over the

2133
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 4: years that were ignored by culture and by other people

2134
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 4: in Hollywood and in the entertainment industry. And I think

2135
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 4: there's more to come on that, but it's pretty worth

2136
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,719
Speaker 4: our time to think about the do O Jane.

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Speaker 6: Now, after those searches on his homes.

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01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 4: Both in LA and Miami back in late March, it

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01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,759
Speaker 4: was they are now looking into, as the CNN reporter said,

2140
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 4: sex trafficking, money laundering, drugs. There are, as I think

2141
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Speaker 4: we heard from the CNN reporter, video investigators are looking

2142
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Speaker 4: at video tapes that were recovered from Ditty's house, and

2143
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 4: as the again they talk about the male prostitute, they

2144
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 4: talk about what actually is related in the investigation to

2145
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 4: being on the tape, that people from the tape have

2146
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 4: been questioned in relationship to what's on the tape, and

2147
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,719
Speaker 4: that they're creating or they're trying to create a quote,

2148
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 4: bullet proof indictment, according to the CNN report, So a

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01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 4: bulletproof indictment is much easier to have when you have

2150
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Speaker 4: actual video evidence and you're able to talk to the

2151
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,799
Speaker 4: people that are involved in it. Now, Diddy has not commented,

2152
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 4: like CNN, the CNN reporter you just saw. She's been

2153
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Speaker 4: kind of a scoop machine on this beat for months,

2154
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 4: and Diddy has not commented to CNN on any of

2155
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 4: this new stuff.

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Speaker 6: People obviously will.

2157
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 4: Remember that he vehemently denied the allegations as they've come out,

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Speaker 4: said eight civil suits filed against him, since that one

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Speaker 4: was settled with Cassie Ventura right away.

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Speaker 6: I mean he settled that suit what twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and after she filed it, it was instantaneous.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of which, speaking of video, we now know that

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Speaker 4: a hotel was allegedly paid fifty grand for that horrific

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Speaker 4: video we covered here on the show of Diddy beating

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Speaker 4: the heck out of Cassie, and that has been that

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Speaker 4: was from twenty sixteen, and it just came out what

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Speaker 4: earlier this month, in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and after it came out, then he apologized. Prior

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Speaker 1: to that, he had denied absolutely everything. And yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about allegations that's been decades, decades, she said, eight

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Speaker 1: separate civil suits filed at this point. You know, the

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Speaker 1: videotape that CNN is reporting on here is very noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: Some of the allegations against him is that he had

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Speaker 1: filmed people having sex without their consent, So question mark

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Speaker 1: if that's part of what's contained on this video tape.

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Speaker 5: We don't know if it was part of what.

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Speaker 1: Was seized in these raids or if they were able

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Speaker 1: to obtain it through some other means. But you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the allegations are that he was drugging victims

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Speaker 1: and then raping them. Some of the allegations are of

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Speaker 1: the sort of violence that we saw on camera with Cassie.

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Speaker 1: So the picture that is coming into focus here is

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Speaker 1: incredibly far reaching. And you don't have that long of

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Speaker 1: a pattern with that many people over that many years

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Speaker 1: without having other people know and be involved. And he

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Speaker 1: was protected for so many years. He was protected and

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Speaker 1: you know, finally now things are starting to come out.

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Speaker 1: And it was also worth noting that kind of what

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Speaker 1: was the watershed moment with regard to any and all

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Speaker 1: of this. They've been like whispers and rumors and podcasts, etc.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, some little warnings, but when this really

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Speaker 1: burst into the public was when Cassie filed her suit,

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Speaker 1: and that was made possible by that New York law

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Speaker 1: where they opened up there's a you know, statute of

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Speaker 1: limitations in New York, and they said, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: going to have this limited window where people whose sexual

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Speaker 1: assault allegations where the statute of limitations has expired can

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Speaker 1: file civil not criminal, civil suits for basically like a

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Speaker 1: year's worth of time. And that enabled Cassie to be

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Speaker 1: able to file this suit. It was in the context

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Speaker 1: of that law, and then not open the floodgates for

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Speaker 1: all of these additional civil suits. Reporting from CNN indicates

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Speaker 1: that the federal investigation really took those civil suits as

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Speaker 1: a starting point for where they began to investigate. And

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Speaker 1: now we're at the point where it looks like a

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Speaker 1: grand jury is being impaneled and some of the survivors

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Speaker 1: or alleged survivors here maybe called to testify about what

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Speaker 1: happened to them, what was done to them, and what

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Speaker 1: they know.

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Speaker 4: I'm usually, you know, inherently skeptical or reflexibly skeptical when

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Speaker 4: the Feds start cobbling together drug cases, money laundering cases.

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Speaker 6: But the video is so powerful.

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Speaker 4: And the testimonies of women that have been coming out

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Speaker 4: in the last.

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Speaker 6: Half a year are just so so powerful.

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Speaker 4: That you know, and knowing by the way that they

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Speaker 4: have tapes more tapes that this tape existed, that it

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Speaker 4: was sat on since twenty sixteen. Some of these suits,

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Speaker 4: like the Little Rod suit named Cuba Gooding Junior, implicated

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Speaker 4: other celebrities.

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Speaker 6: You know, this is this.

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Speaker 4: Is obviously a very bad situation for Diddy's future as

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Speaker 4: a free man, because these are incredibly serious. Some of

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Speaker 4: them go back decades, but also some of them are

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Speaker 4: super recent, like the one that names his son and

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Speaker 4: names him as this was from a yacht worker actually

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Speaker 4: being a party to the abuse.

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Speaker 6: That's very recent stuff.

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Speaker 4: We're talking within the last couple of years, you know,

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Speaker 4: revenge porn stuff that's, as you mentioned, videotaped assaults allegedly.

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Speaker 4: So if they're putting together, if they're leaking to CNN

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Speaker 4: that they're putting together quote bulletproof indictment, these videos support

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Speaker 4: the case that it's it's actually likely they've got something

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Speaker 4: pretty serious on him.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say about this I think is worth

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Speaker 1: noting is part of I mean that Cassie video, if

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Speaker 1: you guys, is just unbelieve, I mean psychopathic, like he's

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Speaker 1: a monster. Yeah, there's just no denying it looking at

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Speaker 1: that video. But What was also really noteworthy is she

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Speaker 1: had described in the civil suit she filed that specific interaction.

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Speaker 5: Bit by bit, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was identical which she described was identical to what

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Speaker 1: was reflected on the video, which gives a lot of

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Speaker 1: credence to everything else she had to say.

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Speaker 4: Totally, and they settled, remember amicably, that was the quote

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Speaker 4: with no admission of wrongdoing on Detty's part.

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Speaker 6: It happened really quickly.

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Speaker 4: But that's the power of money, is that you can

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Speaker 4: get people to settle quote amicably with no admission of

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Speaker 4: wrongdoing within twenty four hours, even when a video like

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Speaker 4: that exists and you know it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable stuff and I definitely want to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on. Thank you Emily for filling in. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me here. It's so much fun.

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Speaker 5: Worked out well.

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Speaker 1: Since you're the Diddy expert now, since you dug in

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Speaker 1: on the Cassie videos, I'm glad to have you to

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Speaker 1: break all of that down.

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Speaker 6: We should have Mac do all rap segments in the future.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, these are senior rap correspondent.

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Speaker 6: Oh perfect. We should put that on business cards for him.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching again. I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to say one more time. If you're having any

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Speaker 1: for all the love and support as we make this transition,

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Speaker 1: which we are really excited about what it's going to

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Speaker 1: mean for the future. Sager will be back next week.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend and we will see you then.

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Speaker 13: Shot Keep Shop, Keep.

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Speaker 10: Shott Kemp.

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Speaker 14: Shot Keep Shop, Shut Keep

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Speaker 13: Keep