Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, now available in Pumpkin Spikes. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys, Hey Dan, she'd say, what's
Speaker 1: up girl? Big development behind the glass. On Tuesday's show, Um,
Speaker 1: we spoke of uh Sydney's misfortune the week prior, when,
Speaker 1: upon hearing that a old Juicer f bomb had gotten
Speaker 1: into the final version of our podcast. Um, she turned
Speaker 1: around her car started racing back to the office to
Speaker 1: make the exit, makes make the edit, and UH rear
Speaker 1: ended somebody bad news and she got banged with a
Speaker 1: beefy mechanic Bill And we said, well, what can we do?
Speaker 1: What can I do save our Sydney? And I reached
Speaker 1: out to the greatest listeners in the world and we
Speaker 1: asked uh a go fund Me account, if possible, we
Speaker 1: could set it up. The subreddit led by the Fearless
Speaker 1: leader over there, greeby that guy he is. He's one
Speaker 1: of those guys you want the Fox, the foxhol He's
Speaker 1: like the wolf from pulp fiction. It's like the Wolf.
Speaker 1: He's like, I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos
Speaker 1: with my son this week. In The Avengers Captain America,
Speaker 1: he's like the point man about Michael Clayton, the Ultimate Fixer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely little Clayton, the Ultimate in a big UM. And
Speaker 1: I was working at a coffee shop last night. I
Speaker 1: saw David Hasselhoff there. That's not connected to this story
Speaker 1: at all, but I did see that Greeby had put
Speaker 1: up a go fund me and UM with a goal
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars, which sid you said, that was basically
Speaker 1: what you were looking at for your repair that you
Speaker 1: have to pay out to your insurance. It's called a
Speaker 1: deductible deductible. And within three hours we had reached that goal.
Speaker 1: And then when I woke up this morning and I checked, Uh,
Speaker 1: I checked that go fund me again, Greeby had to
Speaker 1: shut it down. Almost a thousand dollars raised, right, and
Speaker 1: that was posted at midnight Eastern essentially it started. So
Speaker 1: we should mention that, uh, mr F. Well, I want
Speaker 1: to call out special attention to UM. A few people here,
Speaker 1: Peter Willman, Mr F Bolt, Drop, Benjamin in a big spot,
Speaker 1: Joshua Lowler fifty Bones, and then uh Bruno Gagnon, forty Bones,
Speaker 1: A J. Smith, Keith Woodley, and Tom Shawn and then
Speaker 1: you know everybody else. It was I believe over fifty
Speaker 1: uh for fifty four exactly donations before Greeby shut it down.
Speaker 1: Uh to get to that final total of I know
Speaker 1: already said it, but I forgot that we had this
Speaker 1: drops that was a long drum said, the floor is yours.
Speaker 1: Do you have any comments for the listeners who have
Speaker 1: made your life better on this Thanksgiving? You? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it just speaks to the amazing listeners that
Speaker 1: we have. I mean, I woke up this morning and
Speaker 1: inside a tweet from Kevin Patra that had a screenshot
Speaker 1: of like, I think eight fifty at that point, and
Speaker 1: I mean, what a way to wake up. I just
Speaker 1: I can't even I'm kind of in shock, and everything
Speaker 1: feels very surreal at this point. Well, we had to
Speaker 1: shut down before Sydney got you know, rims and tinted.
Speaker 1: It's not just that she was talking up here before
Speaker 1: you guys came up that. Oh it's you know, I
Speaker 1: got the deductible, paid them so so thankful, but with
Speaker 1: an extra four hundred and fifty, it's like I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I have clothing to buy. I've got new sweaters at
Speaker 1: some like. I'm not sure that's where the the extra
Speaker 1: money should go. Yeah, I also have sandwiches to buy,
Speaker 1: sandwich is to buy. I mean if we I don't
Speaker 1: know and said, maybe you could figure it out that
Speaker 1: that will be Maybe what do we do with the
Speaker 1: excess money once you know for sure what the bill
Speaker 1: is and you know, hell, you know, maybe you can
Speaker 1: get the fast past of Disneyland. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess it's your money, right, I don't know. Well, it's
Speaker 1: Disney is incredibly expected. Greg's shot down immediately. Sydney having
Speaker 1: the money to herself, Well, you're the one who came
Speaker 1: up with the idea to donate it. I thought that
Speaker 1: was a good idea. Yeah, and then Mark had the
Speaker 1: idea this is all on I am a client that
Speaker 1: we don't speak of. That maybe Sydney should have a
Speaker 1: role in the decision making process. It is technically her fundage.
Speaker 1: It is I one thing that went buried here. You've
Speaker 1: you've got a second job at a coffee shop. What why? Well? No,
Speaker 1: I right there, I write at the Coffee Bean. It's
Speaker 1: a creepy place. It made it sound like you were
Speaker 1: I mean, you have another child. You're not a barista,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Jo Yes. In fact, you could check
Speaker 1: out my latest end around column where I actually went
Speaker 1: through every single NFL auction item. Last night, I was
Speaker 1: in that coffee shop for four hours and wrote about
Speaker 1: about fifteen of my favorite offerings for the NFL fan.
Speaker 1: Did you run into Gunter? I didn't see Gunther there.
Speaker 1: Gut is like feeling himself out in the Hollywood Hills,
Speaker 1: all right. We did mention Mr f who donated a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars towards Sydney's cause he is the sponsor of
Speaker 1: the show, his entire economics class in the Hague, the Netherlands.
Speaker 1: In fact, today's show on Tuesday show again, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different week because Thanksgiving here and
Speaker 1: the Estados unidos is it un French? Um, we have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different schedule, so we have
Speaker 1: another show right here a day later. We broke down
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving Thursday games, but there are no buys this week.
Speaker 1: That means two teams, sixteen games. Nobody am by, so
Speaker 1: we have thirteen more to get to. Even I can
Speaker 1: do that math strong what about thirteen times too. How
Speaker 1: many teams involved nailed it. What's wonderful is they have
Speaker 1: us previewing games on so many different platforms that in
Speaker 1: another part of the Internet, we've already previewed half these
Speaker 1: games yesterday, making this show especially fresh. I'm sure for
Speaker 1: the four of them, Sessler Math, there literally one one
Speaker 1: game of these that we previewed ahead of What did
Speaker 1: I get on a state mandated Math? Much more than that,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know? What was? What did you do? What?
Speaker 1: I was horrible at Math? Absolutely horrible? Okay, so we
Speaker 1: have all these games to get to. Why don't we start, guys,
Speaker 1: Let's get right to it. Sydney's got a glow. It's
Speaker 1: actually there's like an orb around her to feel so love.
Speaker 1: Did you cry when you saw it all? Did you
Speaker 1: get choked up? Our emotional Yeah, you know a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of overwhelmed by the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: it just kind of drove home like how lucky I
Speaker 1: am to be a part of this crew and with
Speaker 1: these fans, like legitimately the best listeners, our listeners, We
Speaker 1: have the greatest listeners in the world. That was a
Speaker 1: little trumpy, the best the best listeners in the world. Uh.
Speaker 1: But uh, and they proved it again. Especially check out
Speaker 1: that subreddit because a lot of the great um fun
Speaker 1: stuff from the around the NFL fan base, uh, the
Speaker 1: subreddit around the NFL podcast. All right, let's start in Chicago.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna start. We're gonna kind of ease
Speaker 1: into things here a little bit. Okay, So the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans still a team that if you want to see
Speaker 1: some exciting football, Uh, you can check out the Titans
Speaker 1: on offense and they're probably gonna get you excited. And
Speaker 1: you would expect uh them to do some things at
Speaker 1: Chicago against the Bears, against Jay Cutler, uh, Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: um and Marcus Mariota if he has any designs on
Speaker 1: keeping the Titans of the mix. You gotta take care
Speaker 1: business here and they should and not not against Jay Cutler,
Speaker 1: of course. Uh. He was reported to be out for
Speaker 1: the season. Looks like that's the Bears at least are
Speaker 1: disputing that. But we're gonna get Matt Barkley in a
Speaker 1: game that has playoff implications, which is terrible, which is
Speaker 1: why this should be the last thing we talked about
Speaker 1: with the Bears in this game. I'm excited to watch
Speaker 1: Mariota against a bad defense. I was thinking when you're
Speaker 1: watching Mariota last week. He is the master of the
Speaker 1: mid range game. He is the equivalent of Carl Malone
Speaker 1: in the NFL, or Dirk and a Whitsky. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of someone with a nice fifteen footer. He's
Speaker 1: got the fifth, He's got a feathery touch from He's
Speaker 1: the mid range game. Little Dirk. That guy, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rip Hamilton's was good. He reminds me a little bit
Speaker 1: of Philip Rivers if you take away the running and
Speaker 1: the movement in the pocket. I just mean in terms
Speaker 1: of when he's throwing it. When I think Philip Rivers,
Speaker 1: I think Mariota. I think these on point darts that
Speaker 1: are right in between the zone fifteen to twenty yards
Speaker 1: that that's what he does best. He will carve up
Speaker 1: the soft underbelly of your defense over the right and
Speaker 1: the middle of Chicago's defense. No, Darrell Freeman, he has
Speaker 1: been suspended. That was the second rated inside linebacker league
Speaker 1: wide according to PFF, their best defensive player. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. At first of all, that's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: If Darrell Freeman's your best defensive player, Like, where's po
Speaker 1: McFee doesn't even play that much for them, which is surprising.
Speaker 1: He's coming off of an injury. Everything that could go
Speaker 1: wrong for this Bears team has has gone wrong. How
Speaker 1: about this greg to that point, and this is from
Speaker 1: our research notes, uh, the Bears are already a talent
Speaker 1: to prive team entering this season. Entering the season by
Speaker 1: the end of last week's Giants games, Chicago at ten
Speaker 1: of its twenty two starters at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season injured or suspended, and the bears last four first
Speaker 1: round picks are also injured. Kyle Long, Kyle Fuller, Kevin White,
Speaker 1: and Lenny Floyd their starting quarterback. That's that's There's no
Speaker 1: teams coming back from that, especially the Bears their starting
Speaker 1: quarterback Jake Cauler, their top two receivers, Alshon Jeffrey and
Speaker 1: Kevin White, they're tight end Zach Miller, both Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: guards Kyle Long, and just sitting. All of that missing
Speaker 1: from their offense. And that's great news for the Titans, who,
Speaker 1: like the Browns, are playing their twelfth game this week.
Speaker 1: They're the last two teams that will have a bye
Speaker 1: next week, and as bad as that last was to
Speaker 1: the Colts, then they're not gonna have a tiebreaker. You
Speaker 1: can win this game. You get the six and six.
Speaker 1: Who knows the next time they might be playing, they
Speaker 1: might be tied for first because the Texans might be six. Well,
Speaker 1: and there's there's a bit of interdivisional luck for the
Speaker 1: rest of the a f C South because Scott Tolzine
Speaker 1: is going to be starting against the Steelers on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Mark it's a drop, It's part of the show. Just
Speaker 1: keep going. You can do it. I I love it,
Speaker 1: don't I love it? Don't tell Clay Bond. But if
Speaker 1: the Titans can't beat the Matt Barkley lad Bears, they
Speaker 1: don't deserves Well that's it's a little different. Tell tell
Speaker 1: the hot takes on, Budsman. If you cannot beat this
Speaker 1: talent deprived Bears team, you did not belong in the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 1: and by the way, you'll be five and seven. You're
Speaker 1: not making the playoff us. UM win the game. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Uh. Next up? Uh the Jacksonville Jaguars really
Speaker 1: easing into action here today. UH two and a look
Speaker 1: at it this way, we're getting all the dirt eggs
Speaker 1: out of the way, and uh, not a ton of
Speaker 1: great games, actually not the best. It's not a good
Speaker 1: Sunday of games. I think the worst one of the year.
Speaker 1: You're getting some of the good ones on Thanksgiving. Just
Speaker 1: matchups didn't work out this week, all right, So here
Speaker 1: you go. Here's the Jacksonville Jaguars, and we know all
Speaker 1: of their troubles this year from the quarterback on down there.
Speaker 1: Two and eight. Now they travel to Buffalo to face
Speaker 1: a five and five Bills team that has very little
Speaker 1: wiggle room. Now, um, they are two games out of
Speaker 1: the final, a f C wild card spot, which tells
Speaker 1: you everything you need to know. The division went by by,
Speaker 1: as we know with the Patriots involved, so they gotta
Speaker 1: win this game. Will miss will Lashawn McCoy be playing
Speaker 1: this game? What are we hearing? Mark Sessler? Well, he
Speaker 1: practiced on a limited basis today on Wednesday, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a huge one of the biggest injuries league.
Speaker 1: Why to monitor because McCoy's season has been fascinating. I
Speaker 1: think he's been uh the heart of their offense in
Speaker 1: many ways. And if he's healthy. We saw when he
Speaker 1: was playing against Cincinnati last week looks great, and I
Speaker 1: like this Bill's offense and what they what they've done
Speaker 1: in terms of we are a heavy running team and
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to overpower people, and you can do
Speaker 1: that against Jacksonville. Jacksonville's played some tight games over the
Speaker 1: last three or four weeks. But if you're Buffalo, I
Speaker 1: mean that Tennessee, you cannot slip up here. You're at
Speaker 1: home after this week, you play the Raiders, the Steelers,
Speaker 1: you get the Browns then, but then you have the
Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Jets and the Dolphins. The Buffalo Miami
Speaker 1: situation from here to the end of the season. It's
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating divisional races out there. Buffalo
Speaker 1: cannot slip up this week. I think this and this
Speaker 1: is not my lock of a week, I can tell
Speaker 1: you that. I but I think this is going to
Speaker 1: be one of the most lopside of games the week.
Speaker 1: I think the Bills will come to play and I
Speaker 1: think this game we're you know, we're talking to twenty
Speaker 1: different some applied to fashionist as a Doug Marone revenge game.
Speaker 1: The revenge goes the other way. If anything, you're the
Speaker 1: you're the coach that didn't even say goodbye in person
Speaker 1: to your players. You texted them and jumped out of
Speaker 1: your contract. What revenge. This guy's lucky he has a job.
Speaker 1: Here's a Rex Ryan how to say about that? On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Doug isn't the coach here anymore. I'm blessed to be so,
Speaker 1: of course, I hope it's miserable for him and the
Speaker 1: rest of the Jaguars. That's still the worst coaching move
Speaker 1: you've seen leaving well, it was Hubris. Larkey did a
Speaker 1: very similar thing also to Buffalo, sitting on top of
Speaker 1: the NFL world. Now I was sitting. I was in
Speaker 1: the news room working a a t N shift on
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve when this happened. And at the time,
Speaker 1: it was reported that he was well respected for the
Speaker 1: job he did in Buffalo because talks to the inside
Speaker 1: the Jets were supposed to were especially interested. He was
Speaker 1: a Bronx native. And there there are people who believe
Speaker 1: the calumnists for the Daily News Minish Meta played a
Speaker 1: heavy role in Moron not getting that Jets job because
Speaker 1: he completely went after um Moron in a series of
Speaker 1: columns and uh, the Jets ownership does listen to what's written. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what Doug Morone did in Buffalo. He led
Speaker 1: them to a winning record, and no one has done
Speaker 1: that for Kyle Williams. And Kyle Williams is entire ten
Speaker 1: or eleven, I'm not sure what season he's on his
Speaker 1: entire career. This is a guy that one day is
Speaker 1: going to be in the Bill's Ring of Honor, and
Speaker 1: he's having a monster season. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: been a really good story. How good Kyle Williams has been.
Speaker 1: Win one for Kyle. Send him to the playoffs. There
Speaker 1: is one note in this game we should mention. Sammy
Speaker 1: Watkins is back. He said that he is finally one
Speaker 1: d I feel like the guy has not been fully
Speaker 1: healthy in forever. He says he's one percent at the time.
Speaker 1: Off was good. Real quick state of the Bills before
Speaker 1: we leave this game. Do we all agree that Rex
Speaker 1: and Tyrod Taylor are both coming back into the Well,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. I would say this is Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan's revenge tour from here on out, because right here,
Speaker 1: I'll start with myself. I watched this guy out of
Speaker 1: town a month or two ago, and he is proving
Speaker 1: everyone that he could still coach. I think they have
Speaker 1: to go over five and I think I gotta win
Speaker 1: night games. I really do. Tyrod Taylor has definitely exceeded
Speaker 1: my expectations. Their their injury situation on offense has been
Speaker 1: brutal at receiver. Maybe they get walking back. I honestly
Speaker 1: think if he wins two or three more games, seven
Speaker 1: or eight wins, he should be good. The locker room
Speaker 1: is with him this year where it was not parts
Speaker 1: of it last year. That's fair. Let's uh move on
Speaker 1: and talk about an a f C North game that
Speaker 1: you know, A schedulemakers probably thought this had a chance
Speaker 1: to be a little better when it initially the season started.
Speaker 1: Here the three, six and one Bengals UH traveling to
Speaker 1: Baltimore to face the five and five Ravens, and UH
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler this this Cincinnati team does not have a
Speaker 1: great chance. Missing a J. Green right, A J. Green year, Bernard,
Speaker 1: I think they're missing a lot more even with the
Speaker 1: players Green Green is Green is a top three NFL
Speaker 1: receiver and you've lost him. In last week. It felt
Speaker 1: like watching them against the Bills that the Bills secondary
Speaker 1: completely swallowed up anything that the Bengals wanted to do
Speaker 1: through the air. One of those interceptions for Dalton were
Speaker 1: not on him. It bounced off Tyler Reifford's chest, but
Speaker 1: he almost third a third through a third interception because
Speaker 1: there was just nobody open. And and you lose Bernard
Speaker 1: in the passing game. That's big two. But I look
Speaker 1: at also Jeremy Hill and stay, where's the foundational running
Speaker 1: game from this offense? What is it that they can
Speaker 1: go out planned to do and accomplish nothing? Because that
Speaker 1: offensive line has been worked over all year and this
Speaker 1: is a horrible matchup for the Bengals. The bill. The
Speaker 1: Ravens are a top two defense this year in many categories,
Speaker 1: and they play even better at home, as we've mentioned
Speaker 1: many times. And I think their offense is starting to
Speaker 1: get healthy too, with Steve Smith back and playing at
Speaker 1: a high level. Their running game did some good thing
Speaker 1: that Dallas, even though they again abandon it like a
Speaker 1: Derre licked helse in the middle of The Bengals are
Speaker 1: so unlucky in many different ways, and one of them
Speaker 1: is now you have a better Andy Dalton, and now
Speaker 1: you have a worse team around and Andy Dalton. It
Speaker 1: would have been nice to have this Andy Dalton on
Speaker 1: the team or a healthy one last year a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, because I think it's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the toughest six weeks of Andy Dalton's career. This
Speaker 1: is a tough situation. He started to look like the
Speaker 1: offensive line issues are affecting him. He's becoming more hesitant.
Speaker 1: It's it's natural, and you know, if things go south here,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna start that whole Like, is this a
Speaker 1: guy that can lift up our franchise. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fair. I think he's fine. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't when I watch Bengals games, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like Dalton where he was previous to two seasons,
Speaker 1: two or three seasons ago, Dalton was an absolute disaster
Speaker 1: in I think he's played well. I think he's not
Speaker 1: the issue, But the last few weeks I think he's
Speaker 1: become hesitant. The two weeks I believe since they come
Speaker 1: back from the by he hasn't quite been the same.
Speaker 1: I think he's out of the woods though. As far
Speaker 1: as how that organization in fan base view him, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that like the I think we have
Speaker 1: this conversation about Marvin Lewis yesterday. I think the Bengals
Speaker 1: as an organization should be able to wash their hands
Speaker 1: in the season and say this one just it's almost
Speaker 1: like the Ravens last year. When you have this many injuries,
Speaker 1: how how do you really assess what happened to all?
Speaker 1: Suggs also playing really well. It's I don't know what's
Speaker 1: in the Are they gonna win that the water? These
Speaker 1: old defensive guys coming back from serious injuries. What Kyle
Speaker 1: Williams and Terrell Suggs and it's like that it never happened.
Speaker 1: Interesting theory that something's in the water. Wow, I don't
Speaker 1: know modern medicine, the sports going on. I think sports
Speaker 1: medicine is definitely starting to shift things. And if I'm
Speaker 1: for instance, wrong, which I don't think I will be
Speaker 1: about hashtag slight regression, it's time to really take a
Speaker 1: close look at what's happening. That's that's maybe a long form.
Speaker 1: So this is the spin cycle's half point that if
Speaker 1: if slight regression doesn't occur, you're you're going to launch
Speaker 1: an investigation on sports medicine. People on havel to the
Speaker 1: The NFL will already launch an investigation into the Patriots again,
Speaker 1: I mean Ted Wales will have a seventy three million
Speaker 1: dollar report that proves not the Let's put James Harrison
Speaker 1: on the cover of that report. Well that that's my
Speaker 1: long form. Will get into all these alright, waiting for
Speaker 1: all these different players, Brady first and foremost. Um moving forward,
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Oh boy, four or five and one? Did
Speaker 1: we fork them on Tuesday? So in our opinion, it's
Speaker 1: all over for the Cardinals. But I still have a
Speaker 1: chance to hang around on the race if they can
Speaker 1: knock off the six and four Falcons in Atlanta. The Falcons,
Speaker 1: of course, last year struggled in the second half, but
Speaker 1: this feels like a much different team, especially with the
Speaker 1: offense they have. But I will say this, Chris Wesling,
Speaker 1: Cardinals have the number one ranked defense in the league
Speaker 1: right now. Uh, and perhaps that could be the difference.
Speaker 1: Agree here, Well, I think if you watched it's interesting
Speaker 1: you watched the Vikings game and Troy Hickman says, it's
Speaker 1: been a long time since I've seen a quarterback take
Speaker 1: as many hits as Carson Palmer took today. I thought
Speaker 1: the Cardinals hit even harder than the Vikings did in
Speaker 1: the game. The Cardinals were swarming to the ball on
Speaker 1: defense and beating the crap out of the Vikings. If
Speaker 1: you look at that game, the Vikings third points came
Speaker 1: on an interception return, a kickoff return, a trick play
Speaker 1: flee flicker out of the wildcat, and one long drive
Speaker 1: which was three personal fouls on the Cardinals. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that the Vikings were beating the Cardinals defense. It's another
Speaker 1: what if? What if the last year's Cardinals had this defense?
Speaker 1: You know, that's a super Bowl team. It shows you
Speaker 1: the limited I don't think they're the best defense in
Speaker 1: the league, by the way. I mean, I know they're
Speaker 1: ranked into the yards allowed, but I think it's legit
Speaker 1: to call them a top five group. And they've certainly
Speaker 1: won that Chandler Jones trade. I would much rather have
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones than that draft pick. Yeah, definitely. Um I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, boys, I think the card This is
Speaker 1: a wounded animal game for the Cardinals. It's basically win
Speaker 1: or go home in a lot of ways for them.
Speaker 1: But I think all these flaws that we're seeing week
Speaker 1: after week where they just don't have the magic, I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna come through here with a a resounding
Speaker 1: Falcons winning That's why, gentlemen, I'm gonna lock it up.
Speaker 1: Falcons will move to seven or four. The Falcons irrelevant
Speaker 1: or Cardinals irrelevant. Locked it. Watching the Falcons offense this
Speaker 1: year is like watching the Cardinals offense last year. Everything's
Speaker 1: clicking and you don't have the offensive line issues that
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Well, he's been hit a lot. That's the
Speaker 1: last game we saw. You know, the Eagles got after
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. I wouldn't look because they have offensive line
Speaker 1: QB hits stats on NFL dot Com, which is surprising.
Speaker 1: Why don't we have individual QB hits. That's that's just
Speaker 1: a minor think. The Falcons giving up the six months
Speaker 1: QB hits in the entire league on Matt Ryan and
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe this is a game they can get
Speaker 1: after him a little bit. But the Cardinals have no
Speaker 1: answer every It's all David Johnson everything, and he can
Speaker 1: handle it. He's making unbelievable play. He's twenties five to
Speaker 1: thirty touches a week at this point. That's a tough
Speaker 1: pace to keep up for Johnson. Cardinals only have four wins,
Speaker 1: and we said they've been against the Buccaneers, the Jets,
Speaker 1: and the Forts twice. To your point, Greg Carson, Palmer's
Speaker 1: passer rating to Larry Fitzgerald is over a hundred, and
Speaker 1: it's under to both John Brown and Michael Floyd. David
Speaker 1: Johnson is the second best wide receiver on the team
Speaker 1: this year, and they're lining him up and it happened.
Speaker 1: He's insane. We should give you, I mean, we take
Speaker 1: it for granted at this point how good David Johnson is,
Speaker 1: but he is. He has made the leap and then some.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has been absolutely insane. You asked what happened?
Speaker 1: I think it's there. If you can't, if you if
Speaker 1: your offensive line is gonna fall apart in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season. We've already talked about teams on the
Speaker 1: show where that's the case and your offense gets reduced
Speaker 1: to one fit of what it was. But you also
Speaker 1: had guys like John Brown who looked primed to become
Speaker 1: got issues. He has all type a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Was talking to DJ Move the Sticks, great podcast. He
Speaker 1: has pretty good. He puts a lot of stock into
Speaker 1: your offseason theory. He thinks Palmer's cooked. He doesn't think
Speaker 1: Palmer's coming back, and he thinks that game was a
Speaker 1: big reason why he watched him in the pocket. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to slide to his left. He's really reluctant
Speaker 1: to do that. One last note from Bruce Arians, who
Speaker 1: was in the hospital again uh recently, but should be
Speaker 1: on the sidelines for this game. Uh. Kent Summers of
Speaker 1: the Arizona Republic reported that Arians is not happy with
Speaker 1: first round pick Robert kim d J h doesn't work
Speaker 1: hard enough, the coach said, Kim d chakim d chackim
Speaker 1: d J. Why did you fall out that wheel though?
Speaker 1: Im d jac m d J k m d J.
Speaker 1: You must work harder to be Joe Potentio. Beautiful, pretty good,
Speaker 1: just beautiful. Its poignant moment here. I'm gonna write that
Speaker 1: story up. Look at the Cardinals. Three of their last
Speaker 1: Footmance song. Yeah, I'm gonna include that in there. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask Sydney for the tape and put that in
Speaker 1: the article. Three of their last four first round picks
Speaker 1: are Kim d J d J. Humphries and Jonathan Cooper.
Speaker 1: They got nothing out of those guys as rookies. And
Speaker 1: if you want to be a contender, you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't keep doing that well. I would say that. We
Speaker 1: didn't see that until now because last offseason we were
Speaker 1: still talking about the Cardinals for a lot of other
Speaker 1: valid reasons as the premier team in the NFC when
Speaker 1: it comes to developing, drafting and developing players, they were
Speaker 1: already not doing that. You're they're taking their knowingly drafting
Speaker 1: players who are projects in the first round when other
Speaker 1: teams have decided we're not ready to take them in
Speaker 1: the first round because they're gonna take a couple of
Speaker 1: years to be ready. Um, let's move on. You know
Speaker 1: who had another good mid range jump shot? Great eighteen footer,
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley. Yeah, it's not Will that be the eighth
Speaker 1: person that we compare Marcus Mariotta two on this show.
Speaker 1: It's not even about Mario anymore. It's not like the
Speaker 1: first thing of Oakley's game. It wasn't. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a brawler and a bruiser and a great teammate
Speaker 1: or like Bill Wennington. But realized that stroked a little
Speaker 1: Ricky Pierce action Ricky Pierce, but a great six man.
Speaker 1: It's a grade eighteen footer. Uh, Bill Amber too, lamboknt stroke.
Speaker 1: Next up, we traveled to hear that phrase, let's travel
Speaker 1: to oh, the Factory of Sadness, where the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: are and eleven looking for that first win, And here
Speaker 1: come the New York Giants, who have seven wins seven
Speaker 1: and three, riding a five game winning streak. Um, I
Speaker 1: believe we have Josh McCown again behind center. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: MRSSS correct? Yes, Cody Kesler was concussed last week. Uh.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile Eli Manning plays because Eli Mann has never
Speaker 1: missed a game, which shows you the schism between these
Speaker 1: two franchises. But anyway, Mark Sessler, well, just it's funny,
Speaker 1: That's absolutely, it's not funny. But the Browns about six
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year. The Giants have had one. For the
Speaker 1: passage is far from Uh. Yes, Now, I was going
Speaker 1: to say, and it's a it's a credit to Eli.
Speaker 1: It's a little underrated. His brother kind of got a
Speaker 1: lot of that and far obviously, but Eli might pass him,
Speaker 1: who knows. But anyway, Mark, is this the week that
Speaker 1: the Browns get off the Snot? No? And I realized,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, we've already discussed this game
Speaker 1: on multiple other platforms. There is a clown car, a
Speaker 1: trio of clowns floating around in a clown car. Who
Speaker 1: all picked this game in favor of the Browns, And
Speaker 1: I believe it's on YouTube. Greg, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I forgot so angry that you picked this. You blew
Speaker 1: up the segment to you know, as a spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: give us not giving you your moment, NFL pick you
Speaker 1: of all people, you guys asking me to give you
Speaker 1: guys your moment. Well, I thought I was alone and
Speaker 1: making I don't know. You have often said on this podcast. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers to back it up. I
Speaker 1: don't have any kind of fancy logic. I just have
Speaker 1: a feeling that's going to happen. And for the first
Speaker 1: time all year, I have a feeling the Browns are
Speaker 1: going to shake up the football world a little bit.
Speaker 1: That everybody's patting the Giants on the back this year
Speaker 1: like they're legitimate seven and three. They're lucky to be seven,
Speaker 1: and this is a nine or ten win team, the
Speaker 1: fewest the fewest. Mark Conroy wrote a good article about
Speaker 1: it earlier this week, The smallest margin of victory for
Speaker 1: a seven win team in NFL history for seven wins,
Speaker 1: and that said, the whole league is a rather watered
Speaker 1: down operation right now, So I don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: The Giants, to me, don't stand out is the one
Speaker 1: team in the league that doesn't deserve their record. Well
Speaker 1: you don't. I'm a little confused right now because you
Speaker 1: you're saying the Breton Giants aren't that good, They're not
Speaker 1: as good as their record, said on the record that
Speaker 1: they're gonna win in the Browns, I just said that
Speaker 1: I have no problem with them winning close games that
Speaker 1: teams all around the league don't deserve their record the Giants.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Giants are a six win team or a
Speaker 1: five win team, but they're not a bad team. But
Speaker 1: I know that this is a different regime now in
Speaker 1: New York. But the Giants they they'll get games here
Speaker 1: and there, and this feels like the one They shouldn't
Speaker 1: be eight and three after eleven games. And this is
Speaker 1: also like kind of like it's not really the right
Speaker 1: way to analyze sports at all. But the Giants don't
Speaker 1: feel like they're going to be an eight and three team.
Speaker 1: I think seven and four is definitely appropriate, if not
Speaker 1: six and five. So I think this is where they
Speaker 1: get pinched. And I think the Browns winning I think
Speaker 1: we're all in agreement that Cleveland probably is going to
Speaker 1: go about one in fifteen, So that win is coming coming.
Speaker 1: It's got to come at some point. You're running out
Speaker 1: of times. It might be the easiest one on the schedule.
Speaker 1: This is the left Bengals are left. I would say,
Speaker 1: Bengals here, here's the thing. The Browns are getting worse.
Speaker 1: That's the I totally agree with. Browns have been getting
Speaker 1: completely agree their defense, if it was even semi tight
Speaker 1: over the first month. They're losing players. There's players that
Speaker 1: have been injured. They've got absolutely nothing in their secondary.
Speaker 1: And now you're, oh, it's let's stop Odell Beckham, let's
Speaker 1: stop Sterling Shepard, let's stop a run game. It's actually
Speaker 1: a little bit better than it's been in the past,
Speaker 1: which means it will be good against Cleveland. Well, the
Speaker 1: Bears were right there with the Giants, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to bury this Giants team, and and
Speaker 1: for a second last week I started thinking, you know what,
Speaker 1: they are coming around a little bit. They are able
Speaker 1: to run the football with Rashad Jennings. They are able
Speaker 1: to hit a few big players in the passing game,
Speaker 1: which was not happening early in the season. They're making
Speaker 1: some progress. But then they're playing the Bears and they've
Speaker 1: got a touchdown lead and their last five possessions of
Speaker 1: that game, they had two first downs. They could not
Speaker 1: put that game away. They just all the momentum. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is starting to look good. They just stopped and
Speaker 1: and that's how I feel with this right team. They're
Speaker 1: a stop and start games. It's like it's like a
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions winning streak. They could have lost any of
Speaker 1: those games. I guess that. You know. My argument would
Speaker 1: be if the for going to play the Chiefs this weekend,
Speaker 1: all of this is fully in play. You're playing a
Speaker 1: Brown's team that has crippled in multiple areas. You gave
Speaker 1: up eight sacks to the Steelers, you lost one quarterback
Speaker 1: for like the eighth time this year. And then the cown,
Speaker 1: who I think has better athletic traits than any other
Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster, also is going to give you
Speaker 1: this season two killer turnovers a game and you can't.
Speaker 1: He is good enough McCown where he could look like
Speaker 1: a good quarterback for stretches, and I think this is
Speaker 1: a game where it could happen. And I think Durell
Speaker 1: Pryor is gonna win a game one of these weeks.
Speaker 1: I think you'll have a seven for one eight and
Speaker 1: two times. Mean, if I get this wrong, I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be the great, the great thing that
Speaker 1: the Browns finally win, and I'm gonna be change your pick.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to enjoy this victory anyways, by
Speaker 1: the way, not changing it, and and it is it
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. This meed to tell me that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: enjoy the first victory after Thanksgiving. It's there's nothing to enjoy.
Speaker 1: I think you'll like you want them to win? How
Speaker 1: about how about I will tell you how I will think.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, this is the theory of knowing you
Speaker 1: for a long time. Mark is that you've been so
Speaker 1: frustrated by watching them that you don't even like to
Speaker 1: hear people that aren't watching them quite as close saying, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win this week because you you're so angry
Speaker 1: at them for sucking so hard. This season has gotten
Speaker 1: to the point that if you if if the final
Speaker 1: joke would be you lose the number one pick to
Speaker 1: the forty niners, get the job done. Go and six
Speaker 1: get the number one. Listen, you have to. They lost
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota by being the second or third worst team.
Speaker 1: They lost Andrew Luck by being the second or third
Speaker 1: worst team. If you're gonna get it done, get it done.
Speaker 1: So now you want them. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: crazy thing. I don't want them to go in sixteen.
Speaker 1: I want them to get the number one just because
Speaker 1: don't lose out again on the quarterback. We spoiled our
Speaker 1: picks here. Uh if you watch, and you should watch
Speaker 1: the NFL pick Um Show, but that we picked a
Speaker 1: couple other games and the content is dynamite. This week Saturday,
Speaker 1: three times. I got the times this time five thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning Pacific, nine thirty in the morning Pacific,
Speaker 1: and ten thirty pm Pacific, and just add three three
Speaker 1: hours in your brain for East Coast. We got some
Speaker 1: ratings pop, So you know I'm excited a good ratings.
Speaker 1: Didn't out on the quarterback in the draft last year, right,
Speaker 1: you traded out of that pick. I did not do
Speaker 1: that well. The Browns, yes, they did. Thank you. You
Speaker 1: think that I've forgotten that anyone in the room forgotten
Speaker 1: that No I'm just saying you were saying that they
Speaker 1: need to stop missing out of these picks. I would say,
Speaker 1: I would say that that has been an equally annoying
Speaker 1: trade of them. But they have They have also managed
Speaker 1: to get to a point where the Marcus Mariottas of
Speaker 1: the world who they liked Marcus Mariotta at the time,
Speaker 1: sneak by you. Okay, do you mentioned the chiefs mark?
Speaker 1: This is similar to last week's Buccaneers. Nobody predicted the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: It wasn't logical. Someone did anything could make this happen.
Speaker 1: You predicted. Oh that was like a Saturday call, not
Speaker 1: like on this podcast. You know, Saturday lab us of
Speaker 1: nature of this show is did you make the call
Speaker 1: on the podcast? We're on our show, game or ours?
Speaker 1: Where we should move on? Did you make the calling
Speaker 1: your pick them show? You're right, I called it on
Speaker 1: Twitter before the game. It doesn't count. That's the rules
Speaker 1: were playing by. Okay, let's move on. You know, you
Speaker 1: would think that us picking the Browns would lead to solidarity,
Speaker 1: but it did the opposite. It's just it's weird that
Speaker 1: you never know what could happen, and I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to pick the Browns at all, but I
Speaker 1: got carried away in the emotion of it while we
Speaker 1: were taping. You guys convinced me I had no idea
Speaker 1: I would ever draw Mike's marks ire by picking the
Speaker 1: Browns to win a game specifically or not drawing my ir.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a complicated scenario. Let's move on the
Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Rams travel to New Orleans to face
Speaker 1: the Saints to four and six teams. Uh. And it's
Speaker 1: a strength against strength game. If you want to get
Speaker 1: excited here that the Saints have a truly great offense.
Speaker 1: In fact, they're first overall in the league statistically, and
Speaker 1: the Rams have a top five or just outside defense. Uh.
Speaker 1: And yet Greg rosentall as good as the Rams have
Speaker 1: been on defense. When you're playing in the Superdome, it's
Speaker 1: gonna hard. It's gonna be very difficult to keep the
Speaker 1: Saints under you know, twenty eight points, right, it will.
Speaker 1: And the Saints have have faced some good defenses lately,
Speaker 1: and they faced the Broncos, they face the Panthers, and
Speaker 1: they've started those games out slowly, and yet those last
Speaker 1: two weeks it's weird. I think higher of the Saints. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just a homer this season. I think higher
Speaker 1: of them now than I did before those two losses.
Speaker 1: Can't be a homer. Well, they're not technically your team now.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm just or biased or whatever. I think
Speaker 1: they've looked better because they have a defense now, and
Speaker 1: you don't have to have a great defense to stop
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. You just have to have a solid defense
Speaker 1: with a little bit of pass rush, and now they
Speaker 1: have that. Especially at home, you need eleven players. Pople
Speaker 1: West has been barre in golf. It was a bad game,
Speaker 1: but it was one game this great though. It's on
Speaker 1: the road, so that's a tough task for any rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback making a second start. But you're going in a
Speaker 1: place where points are usually plentiful. I will give a
Speaker 1: little bit of past in the rain, nerves and all that,
Speaker 1: but he's got a West gotta put some points on
Speaker 1: the board in this game, right, Greg. Tell me if
Speaker 1: any of these statements are false or if you disagree
Speaker 1: with him. He was a downgrade on case Keenum they
Speaker 1: couldn't run their full offense. Agree with your assessments? Did
Speaker 1: he go first read almost every time he dropped back
Speaker 1: and didn't examine the field. Yeah, isn't that the hazard
Speaker 1: Or isn't that going to happen when you put a
Speaker 1: rookie in in November, you're gonna get what should have
Speaker 1: been figured out by now. To some degree, I think
Speaker 1: it's what happened when you put a rookie and who's
Speaker 1: not ready to play? Well, I mean there themselves said
Speaker 1: he wasn't for a long long time. Suddenly the switch
Speaker 1: went on. Well, they had another home game after the
Speaker 1: crowd had chanted for him in the previous They're also
Speaker 1: an offense that I don't care who the quarterback is.
Speaker 1: It's case Keenum is not a massive upgrade over over
Speaker 1: any right. They had scored two touchdowns in three weeks
Speaker 1: with Keenum, so, but the quarterbacks in a tough situation
Speaker 1: in that offense as it is. I just think it's
Speaker 1: one of the most uncreative vanilla attacks league wide, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch. It raises the question, who is
Speaker 1: who's gonna is he learning an offense? Is he getting
Speaker 1: experience that's just gonna go out the window because they're
Speaker 1: gonna have a new offense next year. Anyways, Well, isn't
Speaker 1: this the time of the year where Jeff Fisher annually
Speaker 1: changes his offensive coordinator because the offense doesn't work. It's
Speaker 1: fine if they switch coaches. I mean, it's that happened
Speaker 1: to Marcus Marray, they switch head coaches. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's totally out of this not but you I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it was. It's beyond time to have put
Speaker 1: him in there. Well, who's more important to the franchise,
Speaker 1: Jared Golf or Jeff Fisher. So I think we know
Speaker 1: by now that Jeff Fisher is not the guy to
Speaker 1: bring out the best in Jared Golf. Um the society
Speaker 1: properly appreciate Drew Brees. No, he is on pace for
Speaker 1: five thousand, two hundred and forty three yards this season,
Speaker 1: would be the third most in NFL history. He is
Speaker 1: just as good as he ever was. And uh, and
Speaker 1: guys like Peyton Manning before he fell off the cliff
Speaker 1: and like Tom Brady now get a ton of credit
Speaker 1: for staying good. But Drew Brees is an undersized dude.
Speaker 1: That is what thirty seven now And he's as good
Speaker 1: as ever. Uh, that's you know now, You're you're right.
Speaker 1: His future feels more secure in New Orleans now than
Speaker 1: it did a year ago. I think he's having a
Speaker 1: better season now than he did a year ago or
Speaker 1: the year before. Well, you mentioned Brady and and Manning,
Speaker 1: and they had the a, the longevity. It was their
Speaker 1: number one saying with Breeze, but they had the added
Speaker 1: component of playing against each other in so many massive
Speaker 1: games that there was almost a legendary pairing and Breeze
Speaker 1: and this. And because the Saints are not what any
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning called so Broncos team or a Brady Patriots team,
Speaker 1: they've been much more inconsistent. They made one, they've made
Speaker 1: two NFC championships. But I mean Drew Brees is in
Speaker 1: like a hundred and seven commercials and I would add
Speaker 1: on over exposed on something. Well maybe as a commercial
Speaker 1: entity years, but I mean it's a pure player undervalued.
Speaker 1: And he also maybe lacks that rival like a Brady manager.
Speaker 1: KAEPERNICKA could have been him, but it didn't become that way.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan it could have been, and maybe it will again,
Speaker 1: but he's been kind of and it's a it's a tangent,
Speaker 1: but I started thinking that Tom Brady was awarded the
Speaker 1: first Team All Decade Pro Football Hall of Fame Team
Speaker 1: last decade, and he has a pretty good chance to
Speaker 1: do it again, which is just an outrageous statement. I
Speaker 1: started thinking who else would be the candidates for this decade,
Speaker 1: and I would put Breeze third right now, but behind
Speaker 1: Brady and Rogers. I Breeze had a lot of his prime,
Speaker 1: you know, in the last decade too. He probably would
Speaker 1: have been third or fourth in the last decade. We'll
Speaker 1: see how luck finishes out this decade. He yeah, came
Speaker 1: in Rogers. It's a while ago. Oh by Oh, I
Speaker 1: almost forgot. I mean, this Rams team is dead. Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: forget it. Saints are the best four and sixth team
Speaker 1: in the entire not giving them up, lock it up?
Speaker 1: Locking it up. Wow. Uh, that's a great pick, Greg
Speaker 1: Because Drew Brees he's thrown at least three touchdown passes
Speaker 1: and nine of his last ten home games. There is
Speaker 1: no way. I don't know if he'll throw three or
Speaker 1: three or four touchdowns here, but there's no way the
Speaker 1: Rams are scoring twenty points in this game. It's just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. The only thing that could happen. Haven't
Speaker 1: the Rams more than once done something very annoying like
Speaker 1: hold a big offense to like ten points. Thinking what
Speaker 1: happened there? Well, I mean Greg's not afraid though, That's
Speaker 1: why he took out the old vault. Got is your close.
Speaker 1: He got the proper combination through the game in there
Speaker 1: and sealed it up. See your Sunday night. Put those
Speaker 1: onions in a gumbo or something. Let's move on San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Forty niners or one and nine? They stink now they
Speaker 1: travel to Miami to face the Dolphins, who are six
Speaker 1: and four. Uh Dolphins, just beat the Rams. You know,
Speaker 1: Handsome Hank come back to me, came after me on
Speaker 1: Twitter for a lot of pull coming back to here
Speaker 1: at this you know, you know, coming after me on
Speaker 1: Twitter as they're Handsome Hank because I was wrong about
Speaker 1: the Dolphins coming back down to Earth. This is the
Speaker 1: Dolphins that we're getting shut out with four minutes to
Speaker 1: play by the by the Rams. Uh so. And then
Speaker 1: and because we know Handsome Hank, he's he's a sneaky
Speaker 1: little guy and he's a cunning man. He sends out
Speaker 1: that tweet knowing that he has the forty Niners coming
Speaker 1: up too, so and I'm sure he'll double down the tweets. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Have your fun, handsome Hank. But it's all gonna come
Speaker 1: back around because this Dolphins team may go nowhere, mark
Speaker 1: my words. Well, I've just said only a score. There,
Speaker 1: you guys can talk about the game. I think we
Speaker 1: talked last week about a California hat trick, and here's
Speaker 1: my one argument briefly, and then you can discuss that
Speaker 1: it's going to happen a well, there's two parts. An
Speaker 1: pull off a California this weekend. They're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Forty Niners over the last five weeks. These are what
Speaker 1: you've allowed on the ground and rushing three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen yards in one game, two hundred and forty nine,
Speaker 1: the next game two hundred eight better. That was better.
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. And now the Dolphins on the ground
Speaker 1: over the last five weeks two hundred and twenty two
Speaker 1: to fifty six, one seven, one oh six. Game over,
Speaker 1: are you I'm not locking This is not a lock.
Speaker 1: You don't lock up against the Niners. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you game over, j G. I what you're saying. Translation
Speaker 1: for the fantasy folk out there, as we head down
Speaker 1: the home stretch of your regular seasons, you better have
Speaker 1: j GI in the lineup in a big spot. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if anyone's pulling a GI from their lineup,
Speaker 1: and at all Simpleton's sure, Simpleton's brain dead. People who
Speaker 1: had them on their bench, drug Addico that forgot that
Speaker 1: they even had a fantasy team might have just light
Speaker 1: bulb went off because they're laying in their own vomit
Speaker 1: listening to our podcast. Point made. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate in favor of Jared Goffe's performance last week,
Speaker 1: you would point out that the Rams went overly conservative
Speaker 1: because they didn't need him to do anything against this
Speaker 1: Dolphins offense. They punted on what their first eleven possessions,
Speaker 1: and that was in the rain against a better defense.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's some kind of fate of
Speaker 1: fatal complete that they're gonna route now. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Forty Niners have been more competitive the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: It's a fact they know we make jokes. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not gonna last. They were the worst team I've seen
Speaker 1: a long time before those last two weeks, but they
Speaker 1: were more They've been more competitive, and the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: gonna be missing palency again. They're probably gonna be missing
Speaker 1: Brandon Albert again. I mean those are their two best
Speaker 1: offensive lineman for an offense it's, you know, not a
Speaker 1: juggernaut offense. That's a problem teams in a lost season
Speaker 1: flying three thousand miles to play a game known to
Speaker 1: lay an egg. Kaepernick's playing a little bit better. Staying
Speaker 1: in California. Well, they're in Miami for this game they
Speaker 1: had would make sense if the if the Dolphins were
Speaker 1: to stay in California, that would be another way to lose.
Speaker 1: Adam Gates said he he thought he learned his team
Speaker 1: was a little more mature than he expected with that
Speaker 1: that whole California trip. Kaepernick, maybe he's not playing that great.
Speaker 1: He's been a great fantasy quarterback. It's been a top
Speaker 1: five fantasy quarterback. Great over Blaine Gabbert. It's been an
Speaker 1: upgrade over Blaine Gabbert. All right, and let me look
Speaker 1: at this schedule now, because Handsome Hank is diabolical, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure he studied all these things. Six and four,
Speaker 1: they got the at home four. You assume they'll win that.
Speaker 1: Seven and four at Ravens. Counted out with me, Greg
Speaker 1: at Ravens. Seven and five home to Cardinals I'll give
Speaker 1: him that. Eight and five at Jets surprise loss, surprise,
Speaker 1: lost their division matchup like it, Patty will be starting
Speaker 1: by the end. That's will win. Eight and six at
Speaker 1: Phils loss, eight and seven home to Patriots. Patriots will
Speaker 1: do something stupid and blow that. They'll be like they'll be,
Speaker 1: They'll be playing. They'll bring Stephen Jackson out of retirement
Speaker 1: to run the ball. Not in seven, Ain gonna do it, handsome,
Speaker 1: Hank go home, go all the way to Britain. No,
Speaker 1: I like him. I want him to stay here. I
Speaker 1: mean that that whole, that whole prediction hinges on the
Speaker 1: jet speeding the love that that will be fun. I'm
Speaker 1: going up because Hank now has a beautiful third floor
Speaker 1: office with a window overlooking the entire complex. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the reward for being, you know, a future
Speaker 1: commissioner in the NFL, as we know. I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: go up there with him, watch that game, and then
Speaker 1: really rub it into him. The Jets ender. He has
Speaker 1: breakfast brought to him every day in that office. Only breakfast. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he could ask some more, but
Speaker 1: he likes to get down and stretch his legs to
Speaker 1: get lunch and big long legs, big corporate card. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, Henry Tucky, he's gonna kill us us go
Speaker 1: after me pretty good, I would think. At at Houston,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what's going on there. San Diego charges
Speaker 1: four and six UH inexplicably not forked. They're gonna win
Speaker 1: out according to UH some ten and six. That's the
Speaker 1: record there, four and six they're gonna they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to win out to get to UH to this tenant six,
Speaker 1: and I guess it has to start in Houston against
Speaker 1: the six and four Texans. UH. Texans still ahead in
Speaker 1: the a f C South, but you know it's a
Speaker 1: tenuous grip. It has to beat Chris Westling with all
Speaker 1: their issues. They have an offense. You're right, the fork
Speaker 1: committee really lacked onions this year. What we should have
Speaker 1: done is forked one of these teams, the one in
Speaker 1: first place in the a f C South. We should
Speaker 1: have had onions now would have been fun. We've got
Speaker 1: lacks of onions with the four committee this year. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. We've got a four and six
Speaker 1: team against the six and four team here and tell
Speaker 1: me what area if any does the six and four
Speaker 1: team have an advantage on the four and six team.
Speaker 1: I can't find one, Like, you're absolutely right, and well
Speaker 1: advanced metrics tell you the same thing. Defense overall, you'd
Speaker 1: have to I'm taking the Chargers defense in this game.
Speaker 1: I'm taking them in this game because they're playing Houston.
Speaker 1: But their run defense, I would say, in particular, Houston's
Speaker 1: pretty good stopping the run. I mean, Romeo, Cornell Charter better.
Speaker 1: Not a great defense, but they're better than that. Charges
Speaker 1: have been a better run defensive team than in Texans
Speaker 1: all year long. They do get to Tavis Brown and
Speaker 1: Denzel Paraman back this week, which is much needed news
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. Corey t was playing awesome for them,
Speaker 1: is not coming back to that team. The Texans credit
Speaker 1: for their defense for how many times have you been
Speaker 1: saddled with three and out drives, multiple punts and at
Speaker 1: home and you saved the team. So yes, they've been great.
Speaker 1: The Chargers don't blow anyone out. This will be a
Speaker 1: tight game. It would be a tough game. I think
Speaker 1: it's a tough one for both of these teams. That
Speaker 1: the Texans are coming off a real tough loss and
Speaker 1: it's a short week, and the Chargers are coming off
Speaker 1: by teams teams have not been playing well off buys
Speaker 1: and and a tough loss for themselves where it kind
Speaker 1: of felt like the air of their momentum was coming
Speaker 1: out from I mean, but to back your point that
Speaker 1: the Chargers are essentially gonna win out, I would say
Speaker 1: the way that happens is if you're the Texans, unless
Speaker 1: you get a pick six, which they did a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Unless you have something like that happen,
Speaker 1: how do you keep pace with San Diego's offense unless
Speaker 1: you're gonna get Philip Rivers. Those those interceptions that what
Speaker 1: the four of them, two of them, I would say,
Speaker 1: We're not on Rivers to some degree. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: do that multiple interception thing game after game, and you've
Speaker 1: got to find a way to generate points with what
Speaker 1: is the worst quarterback starting quarterback in the league. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were in position to kick the field goal just
Speaker 1: about and win the game. They're the Chargers against Miami.
Speaker 1: That that was a killer killer. He threw four in
Speaker 1: the same quarter. But he leads the NFL and interceptions
Speaker 1: Phil Rivers Since Week seven, He's got eight of them,
Speaker 1: So he's made he's making some mistakes. Maybe he's forcing
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Great quarterback, though that one game
Speaker 1: is not half. Some of those picks were not him,
Speaker 1: but they were they were they were pushing. But I
Speaker 1: also think Rivers is the guy I'd put above Gosh
Speaker 1: almost like all but two quarterbacks in the league where
Speaker 1: it's just like this guy is going to keep you
Speaker 1: in the game somehow. You're gonna be there in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and Rivers is gonna do something. Again. We've
Speaker 1: seen it a thousand times. I know because of our
Speaker 1: four committee meeting that I believe West and Greg will
Speaker 1: take the Chargers. Here. Pick this game, Mark, who do
Speaker 1: you will take the Chargers? I'll lone wolf this one.
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers get finished off. Let's move on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch NFL, you know game
Speaker 1: day morning every morning, and then I DVR and then
Speaker 1: even after the games are played, I watch it again.
Speaker 1: When you do the lone wolf, you're supposed to make
Speaker 1: like a Wolfie sound okay, I've never seen the show.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna loan wolf it, then you know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. It's a big spot. Oh what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do it up, lock it off. I like
Speaker 1: it because it's in a way like you want to
Speaker 1: stick it to me, because I feel like you're trying
Speaker 1: to stick it to our chargers. Have a little bit.
Speaker 1: You read it properly. It's a little stick for stick,
Speaker 1: a little stick for stick, a little tip for tat,
Speaker 1: and I like it. That's what it's about. In the
Speaker 1: podcast studio, Sticks and Tits and Tats say that right, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're allowed to say it's city if we get sued
Speaker 1: by the FCCU is a chunk of your massive endowment
Speaker 1: from the listenership, like your new found That needs to
Speaker 1: be a sound drop that last sequence, tats. Uh. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to Seattle. Seahawks seven two and one, one
Speaker 1: of the very best teams in football, travel to Tampa
Speaker 1: to face the Buccaneers. Scorching Buccaneers. The scorching Buccaneers. They
Speaker 1: have won three or four and they're hanging around in
Speaker 1: the NFC. Didn't even get brought up in the Final
Speaker 1: four committee meeting Matton itself as a victory in my mind.
Speaker 1: Uh So, now they have to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to beat Russell Wilson. But it's not gonna be easy, Greg,
Speaker 1: not at all. No, it won't. I didn't really think
Speaker 1: they had much of a chance, uh to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they had much of a chance to
Speaker 1: beat any NFL team, even if it's the Bears by
Speaker 1: twenty six points. So this team has surprised us, and
Speaker 1: if nothing else, they're getting lucky in terms of when
Speaker 1: they face this Seahawks team. The Seahawks team is playing
Speaker 1: well right now, but they are going to be without
Speaker 1: Process for the rest of the year. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: without Earl Thomas in this game. I think de Sean
Speaker 1: shed is out for this game. Michael Bennett is out
Speaker 1: for this game. And so you know, you give them
Speaker 1: a little bit of a chance to move the ball
Speaker 1: on offense with Jamis Winston. Why not. Are they gonna
Speaker 1: be without Cliff Averril, without Bobby Wagner, Now, those guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be Are we sure the Buccaneers can handle
Speaker 1: It's my favorite part of the show, by the way,
Speaker 1: what I just sit back and enjoy this whenever Winston
Speaker 1: conversation breaks out? Are we sure the Buccaneers can handle
Speaker 1: their success? They're they gotta be riding high, not being
Speaker 1: forked by us on Tuesdays, not even discussed. It's a
Speaker 1: tough batch. Javis Winston has a lot on his plate,
Speaker 1: no matter what you if you like him or you
Speaker 1: don't eat, I think it's fair to say for a
Speaker 1: second year quarterback, he has more on his plate than
Speaker 1: a lot of second year quarterbacks. It comes wait issues
Speaker 1: under control. There's no need for that stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: the decision making that he makes, that, the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: all of that, you know, going through his reads. He
Speaker 1: did a really good job last week. The Seahawks are
Speaker 1: a tough team to dissect. Uh you know before the snap.
Speaker 1: I mean they're a team that's gonna scramble your mind,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Well, mind scrambling. A special team
Speaker 1: they are. I did not realize what we were dealing
Speaker 1: with their mine scramblers. I've just said that, the tough
Speaker 1: team to win from the neck up against. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: But Ted Wells on this team mind scrambling. Um, So
Speaker 1: you think this will be a close game, Come on,
Speaker 1: go ahead, do it. Greg's turned on the Buccaneers. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't let him talk you out of it. He's
Speaker 1: turned on the Bucks. I well, I thought they were
Speaker 1: really lucky to be three and five, like to get
Speaker 1: to that record, that's all. I thought they were one
Speaker 1: of the worst teams. They've played really well, and Jamis
Speaker 1: is playing really well. They haven't Mike Evans absolutely. Doug
Speaker 1: Martin looked a little better last week. Third straight thousand
Speaker 1: yards season coming up from Mike Evans, which puts them out,
Speaker 1: you know, among Randy Moss and a few other really
Speaker 1: phenomenal talents, only four I think, ever, but Mr Sherman
Speaker 1: travels more now than he used to. I think they
Speaker 1: would have him on Evans most of the especially with
Speaker 1: the injuries that they have there. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: The problem is they're playing the team I picked to
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl here that I think is looking fantastic.
Speaker 1: And Russell Wilson is been dynamite. You know, everyone's all
Speaker 1: excited about him moving, you know, moving around well again.
Speaker 1: He's making these throws from the pocket. I think he's
Speaker 1: doing that more than than he did earlier in his career.
Speaker 1: Most of these throws are just dropped back and passed.
Speaker 1: It's him running around. You could possibly have it both ways,
Speaker 1: if you really are rooting in your heart of hearts
Speaker 1: for some sort of an upset that Seattle after this
Speaker 1: does not play a team with a winning record for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year, you're gonna get both. I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for the Bucks. I got sandwiches on the line.
Speaker 1: If they somehow sneaking to the playoffs, I get some sandwiches.
Speaker 1: I don't think what Dirk Cutter said about Winston after
Speaker 1: last game, and he was he praised him highly. I
Speaker 1: don't know why we always have to any time we
Speaker 1: mentioned Winston. It's in comparison to Mariota, and interesting that
Speaker 1: at all. I think that Winston, watching the Chiefs game
Speaker 1: and watching some of his other showdowns has been excellent.
Speaker 1: For his second year in the league. Winston might be
Speaker 1: one of the least talked about quarterbacks who should be
Speaker 1: talked about a lot more. DJ had the uniforms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's very fair. I think you're down football.
Speaker 1: Nowhere's Ville down in Tampa, team that gets less attention
Speaker 1: than any team in the league outside of Jacksonville. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it. But DJ raised
Speaker 1: the good question, Danna Jeremiah, who would you who would
Speaker 1: you take of the last four quarterbacks drafted? Mariotta, Winston, Wentz,
Speaker 1: and Dac and his larger point was he thinks this,
Speaker 1: this group, this foursome is gonna be a really good foursome,
Speaker 1: that the league's kind of in good hands, that they
Speaker 1: have this little next wave. You could throw Derek Carr
Speaker 1: if you wanted in there. He's that Yeah, you definitely should.
Speaker 1: But but those are from the last two classes alone,
Speaker 1: four guys who you would think it's gonna be around
Speaker 1: a long time. By the way, that is your second
Speaker 1: DJ reference. If you sorry, it's like the Beatle Juice rule.
Speaker 1: If you say it a third time, the entire underworld
Speaker 1: will come to life on this podcast. Have you been
Speaker 1: watching Have you been listening to the Move the Sticks
Speaker 1: podcast pretty frequently? Greg Um? No? Oh, that's good to
Speaker 1: know because you you confide it in me yesterday that
Speaker 1: you never listened to our podcast. So if you were
Speaker 1: listening to his and not even hinting at listening to ours,
Speaker 1: I would think, you know we're back in You know
Speaker 1: we're back when we're last year with his pet project.
Speaker 1: Hey we uh that project project? You never know that
Speaker 1: might come back to what what is it? Go ahead? How?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Thank you? Sorry? I talked over go ahead?
Speaker 1: That's good I like that. So who was your choice
Speaker 1: out of those four quarterbacks? Who do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: m let's move on. The New York Jets are coming
Speaker 1: off thereby they will host the New England Patriots, and uh,
Speaker 1: Pats are eight and two rolling along. Mike get Rob
Speaker 1: Gronkowski back this week. He was practicing as of the
Speaker 1: taping of the show on Wednesday. UM, we uh don't
Speaker 1: know for sure, but it seems like that could be
Speaker 1: a possibility. Um. On the Jet side, Todd Bowles came
Speaker 1: out and announced that Ryan Fitzpatrick is once again the
Speaker 1: team's starter, which to me is a huge red flag
Speaker 1: that Todd Bowles is worried about his job. It's the
Speaker 1: only thing to me, That's how I read into it.
Speaker 1: That he doesn't think Bryce Petty is either the answer
Speaker 1: or ready at this time. And uh, he wants to
Speaker 1: try to win seven games or so and some ownership
Speaker 1: doesn't can a four and twelve coach. That's how I
Speaker 1: read into it. We'll see if it works out. And
Speaker 1: one thing before we this is not a good Jet team,
Speaker 1: but just a how much things have changed from last
Speaker 1: year the last time these teams met. The Jets beat
Speaker 1: the Patriots in overtime to be to go to ten
Speaker 1: and five. The world was an amazing place for me
Speaker 1: at least and millions of others jez fans. Things are
Speaker 1: very different now, very different. After watching the Rams Jets
Speaker 1: game week, tend to watch that. I can't imagine any
Speaker 1: clear thinking Jets fan wanting to see Brice Bryce Petty
Speaker 1: in November or even before weeks seventeen. They cannot run
Speaker 1: a real offense with Bryce Petty. I'm sorry you can't.
Speaker 1: It's like watching a worst Jared Goff. He was terrible
Speaker 1: in that game. He checked down or went with the
Speaker 1: first raid on almost every throw. And you're not talking
Speaker 1: about a first round draft pick here. You're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy who's unlikely to ever be a solution to anything.
Speaker 1: Don't put your fan base through his offense. I think
Speaker 1: you have to play Fitzpatrick and if the season is
Speaker 1: lost in weeks sixteen or seventeen and you want to
Speaker 1: get a glimpse of a guy who has a chance
Speaker 1: to be a decent backup someday, played Brice Petty. But
Speaker 1: he was so bad in that Rams game that you're
Speaker 1: not serving your fan base by playing him at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think he played well, but I thought he
Speaker 1: showed some moments he led the team. Did you wait
Speaker 1: let me finish at ninety nine your touchdown drive? He
Speaker 1: missed a wide open Robby Anderson, which was a bad miss,
Speaker 1: which I really think. And again one thing and the
Speaker 1: same thing with Goff. You you didn't like the way
Speaker 1: he looked at all. I have to give some of
Speaker 1: these guys a little bit of room in the first
Speaker 1: start of their careers. There could be butterflies. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to get their feet under them. That's why
Speaker 1: you want to see four to five games of Bryce
Speaker 1: Petty and not one or two. I I know that
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick is not the future. Even if Ryan, even
Speaker 1: if Bryce Petty, if I'm gonna learn he's the backup,
Speaker 1: I want to actually get a good look at him
Speaker 1: and not just go kind of blind based on his
Speaker 1: draft pedigree or the offense he came out of in college.
Speaker 1: But if you can't run an NFL offense with him,
Speaker 1: that defeats the whole purpose. And they don't know that yet.
Speaker 1: They didn't run an NFL offense with him, and I
Speaker 1: don't think they can. There's nothing I've seen out of
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty in preseason or or otherwise. That makes me
Speaker 1: think you can run an NFL offense with this guy.
Speaker 1: But what do you get with Ryan Fitzpatrick a competitive
Speaker 1: NFL team. You're still in November. It's not time to
Speaker 1: give up on the season. I'm weird fans to that
Speaker 1: kind of football, I'm weird, but Fitzpatrick scares me a
Speaker 1: little bit at this point. Don't count this as just
Speaker 1: an automatic w because I want to see what happens
Speaker 1: with this Patriots defense. And I think back to last year.
Speaker 1: I know it's a different Jets team, but they played
Speaker 1: them tight two games last year. It wasn't just the
Speaker 1: game they want. Both of those games were really evenly
Speaker 1: played games. And if one quarterbacks is gonna get hot
Speaker 1: and expose a defense that's had some busted coverages and
Speaker 1: not much of a pass rush, you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Ryan Fitzpatrick, not Bryce Petty. Probably well, I just
Speaker 1: feel like we haven't seen enough to really be passing
Speaker 1: judgment on Bryce Petty. And I'm Petty at home against
Speaker 1: the flawed Patriots defense in a good setting. I feel
Speaker 1: like they're missing an opportunity here. I see both of
Speaker 1: your arguments. Actually too. But I think that there's always
Speaker 1: a divide between the way that analysts and particularly in
Speaker 1: this case, Jets fans would think and a coaching staff
Speaker 1: that whether they're not thinking about their future right now,
Speaker 1: they their job is to go out and win every week.
Speaker 1: And they've come to the conclusion this week that Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick gives you a better chance against the best team
Speaker 1: in the league. That is thinking about his future. He's
Speaker 1: worried about his future. He's also thinking about it. He's
Speaker 1: also thinking about his locker room filled with veterans. Don't
Speaker 1: want an inept quarterback. These guys are paid, which has
Speaker 1: been Patrick. This Patrick is not inept. He's just had
Speaker 1: a bad season. Bryce Petty is inept. I think back
Speaker 1: to the start of that game, though, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's sad, a little to think about. They paned
Speaker 1: to the crowd when Petty started, and they showed a
Speaker 1: couple of Jets fan and they were recording the moment
Speaker 1: on their phone like that. That's the start of the
Speaker 1: breasts the Jet thinking. Jets fans, you're thinking, you watched
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty play. You look at the offense they ran,
Speaker 1: think clearly not. I hope this fourth round pick can
Speaker 1: become our quarterback, but think clearly about what he did
Speaker 1: in that game. Some would say that clear thinking. He's
Speaker 1: not making a rash decision on a quarterback based on
Speaker 1: four quarters. That's what I mean. I think you could
Speaker 1: have a clear thinking opinion as a Jets fan wanting
Speaker 1: to see more of this guy. I think I think
Speaker 1: that at three and seven, what what do you have
Speaker 1: to lose besides more games? I mean, how do we
Speaker 1: go from begging from our respect for Ryan's Pitt Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: all off season and throughout the early part of the
Speaker 1: season to like Bryce Petty is a better option than him.
Speaker 1: I don't get that three and seven, it's over. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think also the whole situation with Fitzpatrick is there's
Speaker 1: no future at this point. And you're you're saying turned
Speaker 1: the As a fan, you're saying turn the page. I
Speaker 1: I am. I'm saying turn the page. This is there's
Speaker 1: nothing to be gained with there's something to the rivalry
Speaker 1: here that it's a division game and it's their biggest rival,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a home game, and this is their
Speaker 1: super Bowl. They're not gonna have any good moments this
Speaker 1: year in particular. But if they somehow beat the Patriots,
Speaker 1: which you know, I could you could almost see happening
Speaker 1: at the right, that's only won three of the least
Speaker 1: seven games, right, you could almost see happening. I think
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense will eventually figure it out. But right now,
Speaker 1: last week they basically benched a land In Roberts, who
Speaker 1: is the guy I was talking up as the Jamie
Speaker 1: Collins replacement. They put in Shane McClellan. They've got Kyle
Speaker 1: van noy Uh rushing the passer as their outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: actually had a decent game. It's these guys that are
Speaker 1: rejects from the NFC North that the Lions and Bears
Speaker 1: didn't want. Alan Branch has been solid for them, is
Speaker 1: facing the suspension, So there there's a lot they're just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I wouldn't be I kind of
Speaker 1: expect they will figure it out, but they haven't yet.
Speaker 1: And so that's why plan to slowly dissemble the Patriots
Speaker 1: into a trash roster and then hand the team over
Speaker 1: to McDaniels, who will struggle making Belichick. Look, they've had
Speaker 1: some bad defenses. I mean, think about the the team
Speaker 1: that went to the Super Bowl and loss of the
Speaker 1: Giants the second time. That defense was terrible, um talent
Speaker 1: wise and just how it was playing. So sometimes it
Speaker 1: takes them a little while. Though. There are different vels
Speaker 1: of terrible. But yes, five week, ye, not one of
Speaker 1: them came from an edge rusher. Let's move on and
Speaker 1: talk about the Carolina Panthers at four and six, forked
Speaker 1: by the Fourth Committee on Tuesday. Correct, did we did?
Speaker 1: We did? We did? We did? For uh? They now
Speaker 1: travel to Oakland to face the Raiders on a short week.
Speaker 1: The Raiders are not just on a short week, um
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. They are also playing in Mexico City, where
Speaker 1: it was a draining game where they were you know,
Speaker 1: on the field and the high altitude. That was a
Speaker 1: tough game that they pulled out. And now they have
Speaker 1: a wounded Panther game here. I could I could see
Speaker 1: what I guess you would call an upset with the
Speaker 1: Panthers getting the win. Do you see it that way
Speaker 1: at all? Absolutely not. I don't care where the Raiders
Speaker 1: played last week. They're gonna win this game. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's my whoa lock it up? Snuck that one
Speaker 1: up on us. I think that everything that we could
Speaker 1: have looked at last year with the Panthers, everything was
Speaker 1: flying your fourteen and no, you've got your dancing, your dabbing,
Speaker 1: you're doing all your funny stuff. All the millennials love you.
Speaker 1: It's all all going to the Raiders. Now. The Raiders
Speaker 1: are that team that has this inexplicable positive energy throwing
Speaker 1: flowing through it. And it's also You've got a lot
Speaker 1: of talent. You've got one of the best offensive lines
Speaker 1: in the league that can help neutralize what's been a
Speaker 1: good pass rush for the Panthers. And I think Oakland
Speaker 1: in at home takes this game and allows us to
Speaker 1: finally we've we've done this officially at last, but enough
Speaker 1: with this idea that the Panthers are gonna climb back
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and win anything. They're not. They're not
Speaker 1: that team right now. They're good defense, and the they're
Speaker 1: they've been a consistent defense, and they're They're gonna miss
Speaker 1: Luke kick Ley a lot, assuming he doesn't return for
Speaker 1: this game, which I think is a safe assumption. Mario
Speaker 1: Addison has been their best pass rusher. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's going to be available for this game, but
Speaker 1: the defense has been good enough to keep them in
Speaker 1: this game. They still have Cam Newton in a good defense.
Speaker 1: I kind of expect these Raiders games to come down
Speaker 1: to the end at this point, because most of them do,
Speaker 1: and I think that's fair to expect. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Raiders, you can compare their records, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're that much better than the Panthers. And I know
Speaker 1: that's like a thing that Mark doesn't like because the
Speaker 1: Panthers aren't very good, and we keep making excuses for him.
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me at all they beat the
Speaker 1: Raiders in this game. I don't I don't think that's
Speaker 1: unfair to say that there isn't that much difference. But
Speaker 1: I think there's something that we can't beyond the numbers
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And it's a hazy argument, but
Speaker 1: it's like the Raiders are just kind of rolling. They're
Speaker 1: playing with extreme confidence, and I think very night sure.
Speaker 1: But you know what, if you look at some of
Speaker 1: these teams when they go from being a losing team
Speaker 1: to suddenly pulling off a twelve and four type of year,
Speaker 1: this goes back to teams I followed in the eighties
Speaker 1: where you go from like this midway junk squad to
Speaker 1: a sudden playoff type deal that you win some of
Speaker 1: these games along the way. And they're also they have
Speaker 1: one of the coaching staffs that isn't afraid to roll
Speaker 1: the dice and go for it some of their wins
Speaker 1: or because they are more but daring group than others.
Speaker 1: I understand, like a lot of teams end up twelve
Speaker 1: and four like they roll, but a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that end up nine and seven are eight and two
Speaker 1: at one point. And they've outplayed They've gotten lucky over
Speaker 1: in this season. That luck evens out the Panthers, though
Speaker 1: after that game, with the injuries, it felt like a
Speaker 1: dead team and they have found ways to lose games.
Speaker 1: And even though they beat the Saints, if that game
Speaker 1: was three minutes longer, they would have found a way
Speaker 1: to lose that one too. They were holding on for
Speaker 1: dear life, playing with a little bit of lemon booty there.
Speaker 1: They they've kind of lost their lemon booty. People know that,
Speaker 1: what does the old people? You know, people on the internet,
Speaker 1: the old, the old, you know what, just closing up
Speaker 1: a little bit, closing up a little bit lemon booty,
Speaker 1: that's new. I've never heard that. Oh oh, it's a
Speaker 1: buttole reference. Hey, here's why, um, we should feel good
Speaker 1: about forking the Panthers. UM the remaining strength of schedule
Speaker 1: toughest in the league. Or their final six games are
Speaker 1: on the ode um and uh, four of their final
Speaker 1: six opponents have a winning record Oakland, Seattle, Washington, and Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So you know when you start one in five, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why those two. Let's move on the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs seven and three, fresh off a really uh
Speaker 1: surprising loss at home to the Tampa Bay Bucks. Uh.
Speaker 1: That could really hurt now because now they go to
Speaker 1: Denver to face the Broncos and their Broncos are well
Speaker 1: rested coming off of by and this is a battle
Speaker 1: that UM, the loser this game may not have a
Speaker 1: chance in the division with the Raiders at eight and two. Uh,
Speaker 1: the loser would fall to seven and four and they
Speaker 1: they would be behind two teams. So what happens here?
Speaker 1: Greg Rosental I don't have a strong feeling, but the
Speaker 1: Chiefs need to play better on defense. This needs to
Speaker 1: be a defense first team and there they couldn't get
Speaker 1: off the field last week. D Ford was not at
Speaker 1: practice Wednesday, that's a huge loss. Uh. They've been getting
Speaker 1: some good contributions from their rookie Chris Jones. I think
Speaker 1: this Broncos offensive line has been so bad that almost
Speaker 1: every defense should look good against them. And and that's
Speaker 1: the type of game Kansas City needs to win here.
Speaker 1: I want to see the Chiefs that I expected, haven't
Speaker 1: really seen it for three or four weeks. I get
Speaker 1: that their defense didn't play well, they had entries. Marcus Peters,
Speaker 1: who was so important to their team, did not play.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he'll be back to which Their offense
Speaker 1: has been more of a problem lately, without Jeremy mcklen
Speaker 1: and with Alex Smith playing as poorly as as he
Speaker 1: has all year. I think it's the offense that has
Speaker 1: been more of the problem in Kansas City. Watch out
Speaker 1: if Kansas City can't win this game, because that would
Speaker 1: be a two game losing streak in their next two
Speaker 1: games at Atlanta and then home to the home to
Speaker 1: the Raiders on a short week on Thursday night, and
Speaker 1: then home with Titans and then home to Broncos. That's
Speaker 1: a tough remaining schedule. They are not both you guys
Speaker 1: are right, I mean, in that Bucks game, the Bucks
Speaker 1: kept converting third down the sixteen, and they kept the
Speaker 1: dry long over and over, and the offense, I mean
Speaker 1: they're statistically it's it's eighty fewer yards per game over
Speaker 1: the last three. Spencerware, who is so important to that
Speaker 1: ground game, has not been the same since he had
Speaker 1: the concussion, and they're missing guys. And I love Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: He's he's an interesting player to watch and he's becoming
Speaker 1: more of a core component every week. They move them
Speaker 1: all over the place. They're even use them in the
Speaker 1: backfield and stuff. But it just feels like an offense
Speaker 1: that you're not sure where you're gonna get production from
Speaker 1: week to week. With guys like Macklin, right, I get
Speaker 1: that they're smart, they don't have a lot of penalties,
Speaker 1: and you have a turnover margin and you're well coached,
Speaker 1: and I think yards are overrated, but at a certain
Speaker 1: point you're twenty four in the league and offense and
Speaker 1: twenty five and defense, and so it's hard. It's hard
Speaker 1: to like keep doing that week after week and be
Speaker 1: a seven and three type of team. I think Alex
Speaker 1: Smith actually was better last week for the most part.
Speaker 1: He had that one bad mistake and otherwise it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of an Alex Smith type of game.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can build off. Is this an another seven
Speaker 1: win team that we don't quite believe in. They need
Speaker 1: to be healthy for me to believe in them. I
Speaker 1: with without Jeremy Macklin, I don't believe in that offense certainly,
Speaker 1: and without d Ford and if we we have to
Speaker 1: see what justin Houston is still if they're not healthy,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it right now that I've thought it through.
Speaker 1: We should pick this game by there because this feels
Speaker 1: like a top big game. By the way, this is
Speaker 1: the Sunday night game flex the Jets and Pets flexed out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rightfully so uh Broncos chiefs unneathball, Mike Rico. I trust
Speaker 1: the Broncos defense. To me, that's the thing that's in
Speaker 1: this game that I believe in. They had everyone at
Speaker 1: their practice coming out of the by They are a
Speaker 1: healthy team right now, and I think at home, I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna start to see the Broncos with with
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a push and look better.
Speaker 1: Even though they're seven and three, they'll look better. A
Speaker 1: word about their offense, I don't know if they can
Speaker 1: get a running game going with C J. Anderson out
Speaker 1: and Trevor Simeon isn't gonna win ball games. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, feel like the Chiefs. This could be a
Speaker 1: slide beginning now. And I like the Denver Broncos here.
Speaker 1: I trust the Broncos and I trust Trevor Simeon more
Speaker 1: than most people do. Gary Kubiak said today They're gonna
Speaker 1: keep putting more on Trevor simeons play as the season
Speaker 1: goes along, and he's going to have more responsibility down
Speaker 1: the stretch, and he's had all years. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to write, gonna have to hope that he can progress.
Speaker 1: I think the Kubiak has done a really incredible job
Speaker 1: with quarterback playing quarterback transition in a really interesting situation.
Speaker 1: Over the past two seasons. Simeon and Lynch are generating
Speaker 1: more points than Manning and Oswala did last year. I
Speaker 1: do I trust at home in a primetime spot Denver
Speaker 1: and Denver's defense that secondary, please, I mean, where is
Speaker 1: Kansas City gonna find its way on offense in this game?
Speaker 1: I'm going Denver. I just look at the organization almost
Speaker 1: deserves credit, and I think it can carry you through
Speaker 1: seasons like this. Did their win totals over the last
Speaker 1: four years, it's almost under the radar thirteen team twelve twelve.
Speaker 1: So you know, the Seahawks get a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for being at the very very top of the league.
Speaker 1: The Broncos have been right there with the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks for the last four years, so I kind
Speaker 1: of just expected to keep happening. And they're the team
Speaker 1: that's knocked New England out of the playoffs multiple times.
Speaker 1: John Elway He's done this his whole career. There's certain
Speaker 1: teams that are right there with him. He knows he
Speaker 1: gets their number as a player. Now is a GM alright.
Speaker 1: Just takes us to Monday night football, to struggling teams
Speaker 1: that really need to win in a bad way. I
Speaker 1: would go as far as to say the loser's game,
Speaker 1: but you know, might just have to shut it down.
Speaker 1: Loser disappointed four and six Packers who have lost four straight.
Speaker 1: Um and are did we forked the Packers yesterday? I
Speaker 1: have the show yesterday. I don't remember, um and they
Speaker 1: what happened to? When you have a second child, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna remember anything. The Eagles, who were once upon
Speaker 1: a time the talk of the NFL. Or have lost
Speaker 1: three or four there now five and five. So both
Speaker 1: these teams need to win in the worst way. Only
Speaker 1: one will get it at Chris Westling, do you count
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers the show the Packers the way in
Speaker 1: prime time against the NFL's best home defense this season,
Speaker 1: averging nine point five points allowed in Philadelphia. That is
Speaker 1: a tall order, especially considering they've played at Land in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Exactly if you are in you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to get a leg up on your buddies and your
Speaker 1: player of the week pool, because I know you all
Speaker 1: have them, yeah, pool player of the week Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the Packers defense has made Mariota
Speaker 1: the player of the week. They've made Kirk Cousins the
Speaker 1: player of the week. Carson Wentz is the next guy
Speaker 1: up here, big big chance for everybody in your power leagues.
Speaker 1: Power leagues. So I can't even get involved in those leagues.
Speaker 1: I get too the most hmpassed by it. I get
Speaker 1: too competitive. I had to step out of that. Uh
Speaker 1: my first marriage, of course, I means are plenty. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna retire after picking a guayo before last week as
Speaker 1: Special Teams Player of the Week. No one saw that coming,
Speaker 1: did you? Did you put that on Twitter on Saturday?
Speaker 1: I hope not barely exists. I wouldn't count then, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mention it. Um This Packers defense over the
Speaker 1: last four games. We've mentioned this on Sunday Night is
Speaker 1: you've got to go back to nineteen fifty one for
Speaker 1: four game stretch where they've been as bad as they
Speaker 1: are in terms of giving up points. And then you've
Speaker 1: got Wentz who's thrown four touchdowns since Week five. But
Speaker 1: I agree with Wes. I mean, you've got issues with
Speaker 1: your with your backfield in Philadelphia. We need to see
Speaker 1: what happens over the next couple of days. Sprowles Matthews
Speaker 1: both didn't practice on Wednesday. But come on, this is
Speaker 1: a home game. Yes, let's attack. I think they've actually
Speaker 1: let Wentz attack a little bit more. They don't really
Speaker 1: have a downfield receiver. I mean they got Nelson Aguilar's
Speaker 1: you know, seeing a sports psychologists say talking about this week,
Speaker 1: and then he's not meeting with the meeting. They don't
Speaker 1: have anyone to throw too. But I want them to
Speaker 1: be aggressive. I think they're trying to put a little
Speaker 1: more on went they can run the ball. I think
Speaker 1: the Eagles have a sneaky could be a good running game,
Speaker 1: Like they should put up points in this game. What
Speaker 1: is going on with the sports psychologist? They should have
Speaker 1: Nelson aghil or meet with Steve Smith. I got yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, the mental the mind, the
Speaker 1: mind's eye. It's a very complicated thing. But what is
Speaker 1: it like twenty three and probably someone a coach, a
Speaker 1: position coach, probably said go do this, and so you say, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but what happens in these meetings you will catch them? Well,
Speaker 1: I I haven't had an athletics career since like seventh grade,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what happens in those meeting in
Speaker 1: junior high? Did they have sports Like I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it was not even in the realm. It's like Stewart
Speaker 1: Smalley talking to Michael Jordan's. Yeah, I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: like I don't I'm trying to be sensitive, but it
Speaker 1: just all seems a little ridiculous. This is it's a
Speaker 1: it's a tough matchup for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense.
Speaker 1: But I think if if you squit a little bit.
Speaker 1: Can kind of see this Packers offense coming together the
Speaker 1: last few weeks. I know they start every game slow,
Speaker 1: which is a problem that their scripted plays. Their first
Speaker 1: quarter of the last three games has been really bad.
Speaker 1: But I think Rogers has played pretty well the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. I think Cobb made a few plays last week.
Speaker 1: Cook kind of finally got off the Schneide. Adams has
Speaker 1: been fantastic. I don't think the offense, you know, is
Speaker 1: too far away if the defense could catch up. Pick
Speaker 1: the game, Mark Eagles West and do you have a
Speaker 1: point against all logic, I'm going Packers. I don't know
Speaker 1: why Uh Kristy Michael is going to play this week.
Speaker 1: He didn't know the offense last week, but Mike Rothy
Speaker 1: has said he's going to be in the mix this week.
Speaker 1: Doesn't read the playbook anyway though, So yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: running back. What does he need to know? Uh? Geez.
Speaker 1: This is the hardest game for me to pick because
Speaker 1: I could totally see laying an egg here. I mean
Speaker 1: the Packers laying an egg on the road, and yet
Speaker 1: like West, I feel like they might have one more
Speaker 1: victory and them, I'll go with the Packers is more
Speaker 1: death spasm. I never pick against the Eagles. It's just
Speaker 1: basically been a stupid policy. There's ever been a smart
Speaker 1: move in the history of picks in the NFL. Never
Speaker 1: go against I mean, it feels like I have in
Speaker 1: this year, doesn't I'm definitely not doing it at home
Speaker 1: against the Packers taking the Eagle. What is with the
Speaker 1: league's uh decision? And they love to do this putting
Speaker 1: teams on two weeks in a row in prime time?
Speaker 1: Do we really need to see Green Bay again on
Speaker 1: prime time after we were just been through. I don't
Speaker 1: mind the Packers. Yeah, I don't know, but kind of
Speaker 1: interesting falling apart, they're almost a little more interesting with
Speaker 1: the world burning around them. That's like cranky and things
Speaker 1: are happening. Packers fans are some of the nicest people,
Speaker 1: but that you can't ask like the world is burning
Speaker 1: around Packers fans. They've had nothing but stellar quarterback play
Speaker 1: going back to the early nineties. That's part of it.
Speaker 1: Things are crumbling. The franchise is at a crossroads. All
Speaker 1: you're gonna finish like eight and eight or nine and
Speaker 1: set in and everything is gonna be just fine in
Speaker 1: the end. And they'll get another six prime time games
Speaker 1: next year. Um, Dan, do you remember the William Goldman
Speaker 1: Mike Lupeka book which next year, And William Goldman talks
Speaker 1: about Dwight Gooden, how he's on top of the world
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five. You've never seen a better twenty
Speaker 1: year old picture in the history of baseball. It's like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in two thousand fourteen, nineteen seven. Dwight Goodman's
Speaker 1: about seventy, or Dwight Goods about seventy as good as
Speaker 1: he was, but he's not transcendent anymore. And you talk
Speaker 1: yourself into all these excuses, but deep down and your
Speaker 1: heart of hearts, you know you're never gonna see the
Speaker 1: Dwight Gooden was. Well, I don't feel like you we
Speaker 1: were all making excuses for Aaron. You were gonna go
Speaker 1: and and and equivocate that somehow Aaron Rodgers is a
Speaker 1: cocaine addict. But no, I'm saying that history tells us
Speaker 1: we're probably never gonna see Aaron Rodgers to the high seat,
Speaker 1: and even if he never does, he'll be a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, no doubt about it. Two thousand fourteen, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is more interesting than falling apart. I I hear you,
Speaker 1: but I I don't buy that we won't see him
Speaker 1: at the top again. I think he's too good. I
Speaker 1: think it might take a new coach. But I think
Speaker 1: he's too good and he's still too young to we
Speaker 1: would see him at a high We were calling him
Speaker 1: the best quarterback we've ever seen in two thou fourteen.
Speaker 1: I don't history says that probably won't happen again. It
Speaker 1: feels like a long time ago. We're saying September, Yes,
Speaker 1: we were. I agree. Anyway, check out the Dave Damage
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