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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. Is it possible?

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years later, a crack in the murder of teen

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Speaker 1: girl Brittany mcgloane. In order to resolve a case, you've

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Speaker 1: got to figure out how the whole thing started. Winsboro,

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Speaker 1: She was just beginning her life, looking forward to Glen College.

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Speaker 1: After working her night shift at this Low's distribution center,

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Speaker 1: three pm, McLoone was savagely murdered and Stagner's bent. She

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Speaker 1: She had just recently celebrated her birthday. Her mom tells

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Speaker 1: we see happy birthday? That was her last birthday? And

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Speaker 1: Not her? Why did this happen? With me? An all

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Speaker 1: Patricia Tys. This is Brittany McGlone's mother, Miss Tye. Thank

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Speaker 1: imagining what you've been through saying thank you to me.

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Speaker 1: There's absolutely no need, Miss Tye tell me when you

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Speaker 1: first became worried that something was wrong with Brittney. Well,

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Speaker 1: But when I would call Wood County Sheriff's Department, they

423
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: would say, well, the Attorney General has has the case.

424
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, a lot a lot of passing the buck,

425
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: not taking any accountability or responsibility for Britney's investigation. Why

426
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: would they do a teen girl's mother like that? I mean,

427
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: if somebody screwed up the investigation at the get go

428
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: man up and say it and try to start over

429
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: as best as you can. Listen to our friends at

430
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: k t K. There are words now in my vocabulary

431
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: that I just can't believe that they're in there, you know,

432
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: bludgeoned or sexual assault or you know, even murder. But

433
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: who's the culprit behind those haunting words? Definitely made everyone

434
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: feel very unsafe. Unanswered questions leaves behind an eerie reminder

435
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: of a cold hearted killer at large. I've got to

436
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: go to doctor Jeff Gardier on this. Just a moment

437
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: board certified clinical psychologists slight cursing or taking drugs or drinking.

438
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: You may be apprehensive of the first time, but then

439
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: after that it gets really easy. If someone has already

440
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: committed a murder, which they have, how easy will it

441
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: be to do it again, to for instance, cover up evidence,

442
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: get rid of a witness. Agree, disagree, doctor Jeff. Absolutely.

443
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: One of the psychological tenants we know is if you

444
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: are not discovered or you are not punished, then you

445
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: will continue. Just not being discovered or punishment or punished

446
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: is a positive reinforcement to continue in your aberrant behaviors.

447
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Just got Morgan, let's talk about them. The cod the

448
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: mod cause a death, manner of death. What do you think, first, Blush,

449
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: it's up close, very personal, a lot of anger involved.

450
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I think that goes without saying. And it is almost

451
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: like it is almost like she was tracked to this location.

452
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: That's why right now, right now, at this moment, Nancy,

453
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: my gut is not leaning toward the boyfriend's family. My

454
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: gut is leaning towards Lowe's distribution center. She just left

455
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: this place. It's about I don't know. I mean, it

456
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: looks like it's within about twenty miles of where she died.

457
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind it's in a separate county, and

458
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: this thing is vast nancy, this distribution center. I was

459
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: looking at a satellite image. They actually created an exit

460
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: off of Interstate thirty specifically for this place. It's massive.

461
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: It's a twenty four hour day operation. And when you

462
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: see the scope of this place, and it's almost like

463
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: a straight shot. When you leave out of that location,

464
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: you go down to Winnsboro Lake down to that location

465
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: and from there and she could be easily followed. She's

466
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: in that environment. People know that she's leaving work, and

467
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: God only knows who was working in that location. We're

468
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: talking about unidentified DNA found on this baby's egg out

469
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: there at this scene, and I'm thinking, well, did they

470
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: go up there to lows and run through that entire

471
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: group of people that were employed at that point in time.

472
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about everybody from managers to forklift drivers and

473
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: to truck drivers. I mean, this is a distribution center.

474
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: They're hopping on thirty to take stuff all over the place.

475
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: Stuff is coming in off of I thirty. There's even

476
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: a railhead there, Nancy. So for me, when I look

477
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: at this, that's what I'm thinking. Okay, let's follow your

478
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: hypothesis through to its logical conclusion. Let's pretend someone did

479
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: follow her from Lows. Then what do they do? Hide

480
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: out on a dead end road and nobody sees them,

481
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: and they wait until everybody leaves the home. I mean,

482
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: how would they know that the entire family was going

483
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: to leave? The mom with the two siblings, he goes

484
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: to work, takes into school. How would they know the

485
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: boyfriend and the boyfriend's stepfather going to leave at eight

486
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: am to go to the airport. So they sat there

487
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: and what hid behind a tree for an hour and

488
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: a half. Well, if it's somebody local that knows that location,

489
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: we don't know what she said to somebody at work.

490
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm dead tired, I've worked all night long.

491
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to my boyfriend's trailer. I hope nobody's there

492
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: that way. I'm going to sleep and heads down to

493
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: that location by herself. Somebody up there may have known this. Remember,

494
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much information people share

495
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: with folks that they work with, but you know, some

496
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: people know a lot about you that work with you.

497
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: They know what your personal life is all about. Hey,

498
00:32:46,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a really good point Time Stories

499
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Fifteen years after a teen girl is

500
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: murdered and her boyfriend's home is there, finally a resolution

501
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: has the case being cracked to Patricia Tys, this is

502
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: Britney's mom. Were any of the boyfriend's friends questioned someone

503
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: that he may have mentioned to I'm going to go

504
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: pick up my grandma from the airport, but hey, you

505
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: can't come over today because Britney's here. I mean, did

506
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: anyone else know within that circle that she would be

507
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: there that morning? Alone and unattended? The teenage sister's boyfriend

508
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: new teenage sister boyfriend, has he taken a POLLY or

509
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: submitted DNA? He both, and he failed his polygraph, but

510
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: no DNA connection. DNA is pretty convinced me. Let me

511
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: tell it's like one in three trillion that you're not

512
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: the person. Guys. The good news here is there's a

513
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: new sheriff in town. Literally rehashing this case. Take us

514
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: in our cut twelve regarding DNA at this point in time,

515
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, we'd look at anyone or anything the crime scene,

516
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: leaving behind DNA evidence like bloodstains something they plan to retest.

517
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Let's use what technology we have now to try to

518
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: see if we can't solve this. But why over a

519
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: decade later with no answer. Cold case groups that have

520
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: kind of looked at some of this did not look

521
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: at evidence. They just looked at the reports from things

522
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: to Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor and author of

523
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: Red Flags, Wendy, that would be my first line of

524
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: cross exam on an expert witness for the defense. They

525
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't see the evidence. They're making an opinion judging off

526
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: written reports. You've got to have all the evidence retested.

527
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's for sure. You know, memories may grow old

528
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: as of the case, but you can breathe new life

529
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: into a cold case through technology. And that's what this

530
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: new sheriff, with his fresh set of eyes and his

531
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: work ethic, is intending to do. And once that happens,

532
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we have technology today that didn't exist even

533
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: five years ago, much less fifteen, he'll take another look

534
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: at the lack of forced entry, no DNA. I mean,

535
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: you would have thought the boyfriend's DNA would have been

536
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Now this is a boyfriend girlfriend relationship. I would always

537
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: think it's suspicious if it wasn't. But the fact that

538
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: he's going to take that fresh look, that's got to

539
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: be great news for Britney's family and for that community, because,

540
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: as you said, if somebody gets away with murder once,

541
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: how hard is it the next time? That is a

542
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: huge point. I'm thinking about something miss Tye told us.

543
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Patricia Ties, Britney's mom. You said the boyfriend's sister, boyfriend

544
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: flunt to Polly, you think, but his DNA didn't match

545
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: the DNA on her way. You know, you can flunt

546
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: a polly. You could be under suspicion for murder and

547
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: be innocent, but then you lie on a polly about

548
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: smoking a joint, and so you fail your polly. That

549
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he committed the murder, But why would he

550
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: flaunt the polly? Who else may have known? She was

551
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: there that day? And let me remind everyone that the

552
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: boyfriend and his stepfather were I actually caught on surveillance video.

553
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Isn't that right? Miss Tice, Yes, that's correct. Where at

554
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: what time after eight o'clock going from Winnsboro to the

555
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Dallas area, which is about a two and a half

556
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: hour drive each way. In the last days a break

557
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: in the case, we learn an arrest has been made.

558
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: The Wood County Sheriff's Office tells us that an arrest

559
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: of a family friend has gone down. Now, the family

560
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: had theories all along about who murdered Britney, but they

561
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: always remained open to any in all possibilities. There was,

562
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: of course the family, there were neighbors unlikely, But now

563
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: we know the arrest warrant has been obtained by Wood

564
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office and it results in Captain Chilson and

565
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: Ranger Vans traveling to the Dallas Fort Worth area where

566
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: Chad Earl Carr was arrested and the two thousand murder

567
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: of teen girl Brittany mcgloane. Now take a listen to

568
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: our friends at Fox fifty one. Chad Carr is sitting

569
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: in the Wood County jail this evening, charged with the

570
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: murder of Brittany McLoone, a case we've been following for years.

571
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: Fox toity one's law More Goals tells us how investigators

572
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: finally came to this conclusion more than fifteen years after

573
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: her death. Lauren the Wood County jail after he was

574
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: arrested last Thursday. In the Dallas area. In two thousand

575
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: and seven, nineteen year old Brittany McLoone was beaten sexually

576
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: as soul and murdered in the light of day. Her

577
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: case remained without a suspect being publicly named for more

578
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: than a decade. Wood County Sheriff Kelly Cole says originally

579
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: Car was listed as a suspect along with several others,

580
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: describing the investigation as a process of elimination. He says,

581
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: every sign started pointing a Car as the years passed.

582
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I think it's important to the community to know, even

583
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: on an old case. I think it's important to the

584
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: community to know that we're doing our jobs, even on

585
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: an old case, to know that we're going to not

586
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: give up no matter what, he says. Car's arrest brings

587
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: some relief to the entire area, and Sheriff Cole says

588
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: it could take years for this case to go to court,

589
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: but he's pleased with this big stepping point. He says,

590
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Britney's family is also relieved and that they will continue

591
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: to fight for justice. In the last hours, we learned

592
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: car was magistrated and transported back to the Wood County jail.

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00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Booked on Capitol and Murder take a listen to our

594
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: friends at crime Online. Actual evidence against Chad Carr has

595
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: not been released yet, and Brittany mcloone's mother tells me

596
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: that they are waiting for Carr to be indicted. The

597
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: Wood County Sheriff tells KTL good old fashioned police work

598
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: made all the difference. The case was fifteen years old

599
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: this past May. From day one when I took over,

600
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, we started working on the case again. When

601
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: May came, we started working a little bit harder. I think,

602
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years is a long time for a

603
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: family to be in limbo. So, like I said back

604
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: at the beginning with some other interviews, I think it

605
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: had been done. We just started from day one again,

606
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: started with everything, going through everything, checking everything falling down,

607
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: every lead, a few new developments, and some stuff which

608
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I really don't want to go into, you know, for purposes.

609
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: The family needs some closure, and this is not complete closure.

610
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: But this enabled us to get an arrest warrant. AFFI

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00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: David put together and have a warrant issued in Chilson

612
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and Ranger Vance located him in the Metroplex area, that's

613
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: where mister Carr was at and they traveled up there

614
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: the day after we got the warrant issued and were

615
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: able to pick him up with no issues, got him arraigned,

616
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: and we transported him back down here where he's in

617
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: custody now under a million dollar bond. And while he

618
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: did not speak specifically about the evidence that gave his

619
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: office enough to make an arrest, Sheriff Cole says it

620
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: was a combination of evidence, both old and new, and

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Speaker 1: he's confident it's enough to get a conviction. We started

622
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: in pretty hard once that fifteen year anniversary had hit.

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Speaker 1: It really kind of hit us that, you know, this

624
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: has been fifteen years now, and once again, we were

625
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: working on it off and on all through the year,

626
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Speaker 1: and it's taken us about a year and a half

627
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: to get to where we were putting the pressure on

628
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: there those last couple of months. Yet it was the

629
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: last few months really looking at some things, going to Austin,

630
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: talking with the Attorney General's office, you know, because at

631
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: one time they had quite a bit of the stuff,

632
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: comparing notes and making sure everybody was on the same page,

633
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: and everything pointed to the same person, and to me,

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Speaker 1: it was time to make an arrest, Miss Tye. How

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Speaker 1: do you keep going? Some days I don't, Nancy. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, losing my daughter that would be bad enough,

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Speaker 1: but then to murder, and thinking why anybody would want

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Speaker 1: to hurt her. She was a completely innocent victim. And

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Speaker 1: some days I just can't go forward, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just have to be still, Miss Tyce. Tell me your

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Speaker 1: most vivid memory of Brandy. I have so many, just

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Speaker 1: even when I had her. I wanted a little girl

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Speaker 1: so bad, and she was a dream child, you know, smart, funny, carrying,

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Speaker 1: not rebellious, no drugs, no alcohol, an honor student, and

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Speaker 1: she loved her family, and she made everyone that she

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Speaker 1: the most important person in her life. And I would

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Speaker 1: very often look at her and just wonder how I

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Speaker 1: got so lucky to have such a dream daughter. Cars

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Speaker 1: Bond said at one million dollars, we wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend