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Speaker 1: She's dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM 111. Is it possible 15 years later, a

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Speaker 1: order to resolve a case, you've got to figure out

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Speaker 1: how the whole thing started. Winsboro, Texas, 2007.

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Speaker 2: What would seem like an ordinary day for 19-year-old Brittany

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Speaker 3: She was just beginning her life, looking forward to going

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Speaker 2: After working her night shift at this Lowe's distribution center,

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Speaker 2: she headed to her boyfriend Jeff Stogner's house just on

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Speaker 2: 3 p.m., McClone was savagely murdered in Stogner's bed.

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Speaker 1: She had been bludgeoned with a heavy, sharp object. She

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Speaker 1: take in. She had just recently... celebrated her birthday her

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Speaker 1: special guest joining me, Patricia Tice. This is Brittany McGlone's mother.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me and covering Brittany's story, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That hurts my heart, even imagining what you've been through,

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Speaker 1: saying thank you to me. There's absolutely no need.

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Speaker 1: Tice, tell me when you first became worried that something

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Speaker 4: Well, it was the afternoon of May 4th. Her boyfriend

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Speaker 4: And I was very alarmed. And I said, no, she's

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Speaker 1: Let me understand something, Ms. Tice. Yes. So she gets

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Speaker 1: off at 6.30 a.m. or p.m.? A.m. Oh, my goodness.

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Speaker 1: So she worked at night. That's hard. That's hard. That's

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Speaker 4: Yes. And like I said, it was the first time

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Speaker 4: That was afternoon, 3, 3.30 in the afternoon.

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Speaker 4: And so I hung up on him and called Brittany's

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I just had that mother's intuition. So

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't give me any details, not even cause of death.

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Speaker 1: And so his wife can account for his whereabouts the

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Speaker 1: Guys, joining me is Patricia Tice. This is Brittany McGlone's mother. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine? You know something's not quite right. You

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Speaker 7: Brittany McGlone had taken a year off after graduating high

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Speaker 7: She planned to attend Baylor University and study nursing. One

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Speaker 7: Her mother became concerned when she couldn't get through to

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Speaker 1: Just trying to take that in. You know, that's an

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Speaker 1: important fact. A subtle but important fact, Ms. Tice, is

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Speaker 1: And they were home.

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Speaker 4: The mother went to work. The brother and sister went

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Speaker 4: No, he did not work.

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Speaker 1: He did not work. And what was his age?

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Speaker 4: I think he was 21.

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Speaker 1: He was 21. And Brittany's age, what, just turned 19?

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Speaker 1: Guys, earlier you were hearing our friends say K-E-T-K. Now

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Speaker 1: was on her way to her boyfriend's house. Several hours later,

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Speaker 1: So we're hoping for Some answers, hopefully sooner than later.

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Speaker 1: How can 15 years pass with no answers? Listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend Sarah Allegra.

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Speaker 2: Before that horrifying moment, Brittany left her night shift at

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Speaker 2: To 5.30 p.m., Brittany was reportedly murdered in Stogner's bed.

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Speaker 1: to more from our friends at KEGK. Her boyfriend called 911.

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Speaker 3: That could have been your daughter. Your sister, your cousin,

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Speaker 2: That thought igniting urgency in the community, including recently elected

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Speaker 6: I actually worked here.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about a

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Speaker 1: 19-year-old girl, Brittany McGlone. Amy Naves is with me, true

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Speaker 1: crime writer. You can find her at Dark Aberrations. Amy,

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Speaker 1: let me understand the movements of the boyfriend that afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I can start ruling people out. See what I mean?

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Speaker 1: To Amy Naves, a Joining Me True Crime writer, you

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Speaker 1: can find her at Dark Aberrations blog. Amy, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Can we just track from the beginning, Amy,

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Speaker 1: Not helpful at all. You just told me something I

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Speaker 9: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that I misinterpreted something you said.

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Speaker 1: I extrapolated that. So I understand what you're saying now.

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Speaker 1: What do you know, too, Patricia Tice? This is Brittany's mother.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me what happened between 6.30 and 8 a.m.,

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Speaker 1: Who exactly went to Dallas to pick up? Who was

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Speaker 4: It was a grandmother.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's confirmed, and I can prove that, correct?

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Speaker 1: And I understand this area of Wood County is a Rural?

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting all these facts in my mind. So

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Speaker 4: Tice? Around 8 o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Has the boyfriend's mom already left for work at that time? Yes.

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Speaker 1: What time did she leave?

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Speaker 4: It was a brother and sister.

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Speaker 1: Two siblings. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm Taking all this in, they're gone at 7.30.

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Speaker 1: was there any forced entry into the home?

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Speaker 9: I didn't find any indication from any of the reports

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Speaker 1: Is it true that the home is no longer there?

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Speaker 9: Has been torn down.

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 9: That I do not know the answer to.

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Speaker 1: What do you know, Patricia Tice, Brittany's mom? Why was

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Speaker 4: I have no idea either. I was just told when

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Speaker 1: Has something been built on top of it?

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Speaker 4: There is another home on top of it, yes. All right.

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Speaker 1: We don't have any forced entry. Is that right? Between

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Speaker 4: No forced entry.

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Speaker 1: Did they routinely lock the door when they left?

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Speaker 1: Was DNA taken from Brittany's body? Does anyone know the

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Speaker 4: I was told that there was some unknown DNA found

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Speaker 4: was also Whoever killed Brittany, it was like they went

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, in addition to Dr. Jeff Gardier,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star

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Speaker 1: of a brand new series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan on iHeart. Joseph Scott, it's the timeline. It's the timeline.

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Speaker 1: one more quick question. What time, Patricia or Amy, did

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Speaker 4: Three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. Three o'clock. Joe Scott Morgan, weigh in.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they've painted this with very broad strokes. We're talking

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I could tell you that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: the way, boyfriend has passed a polygraph. Before we jump

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Speaker 1: passed a poly. Is it totally conclusive? No. Is it

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Speaker 1: helpful to know? Yes, it is. Joe Scott, really? Really?

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Speaker 1: The ME, no offense, death investigator, is telling me something

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Speaker 1: I already know. I mean, the family leaves at 8 a.m.

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Speaker 1: She's alive. They get back at 3. She's been brutally

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Speaker 1: 8 and 3. I was expecting a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Why even have a death investigator?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I still don't buy the fact that, first off,

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Speaker 10: Texas doesn't have an ME system. They have Justices of

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're talking gibberish. What?

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Speaker 10: They don't have MEs. They call them MEs in their

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Speaker 10: larger towns, but just suffice it to say the Justices

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Speaker 10: of the Peace in the counties in Texas act as

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Speaker 10: de facto corners. I've had dealings with these kinds of cases.

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Speaker 1: Are they doctors?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 10: Oh, they're like magistrates.

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Speaker 1: That's like, no offense, Jackie. That's like me calling in

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Speaker 1: Jackie to do my heart surgery or my brain surgery.

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Speaker 1: No offense, because... You can do a lot of stuff, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: but that's not one of them. I mean, why would

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Speaker 10: They act as a de facto coroner. And I'd be

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Speaker 10: very curious to know if that.

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Speaker 1: Person even came. Why do you keep saying Latin phrases?

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Speaker 10: They act as a de facto coroner. They work in

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Speaker 10: my question is, and this is to the heart of

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Speaker 10: post-mortem interval? And that is the PMI is the time

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 10: And there's several ways we measure that.

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Speaker 1: Let me just slow this down, Mustang Sally.

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Speaker 4: PMI.

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Speaker 1: Post-mortem interval. Whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: Postmortem means after death interval, period of time. I think

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online.

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Speaker 7: According to Wood County Sheriff's Office in Quitman, Texas, detectives

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Speaker 7: She had been sexually assaulted and beaten with an unknown object.

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Speaker 7: An autopsy ruled that she had died from massive head trauma.

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Speaker 7: Many people were questioned by detectives, including Brittany's boyfriend and

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess that means they're talking about the boyfriend

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Speaker 1: do know the boyfriend has passed a poly. Amy Names,

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Speaker 9: The boyfriend and I believe several members of the family

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Speaker 1: Because that's who you look at first, not just the BF, boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: But you look at the stepfather, too. You look at everybody.

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Speaker 1: But is that probable? Is it probable that one heard

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Speaker 1: That's the best you can give me. That's the best

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no kidding. And keep in mind, per the report,

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Speaker 1: The police said what?

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Speaker 10: Well, they said that they'd been dead, that she had been,

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Speaker 10: And then they talked about this window of time.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've got to go to Dr. Jeff Gardier

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Speaker 1: on this just a moment. Dr. Jeff, if I may

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Speaker 1: call you that. Long time friend, board certified clinical psychologist,

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Speaker 1: professor of behavioral medicine, Truro College. at drjeffgardier.com, author of

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Speaker 1: The Causes of Autism. And I believe you've written several

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Speaker 1: other books, have you not?

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Speaker 11: Yes, yes, I have, around family issues.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Dr.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, I assume you've seen Barney Fife and Andy Mayberry. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have. Okay. How is it that people think they

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Speaker 1: know everything? For instance, I just said, I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an MD. I don't know everything. The intricacies

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Speaker 1: of determining COD, cause of death, or time of death.

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Speaker 1: Why would a magistrate or a cop? Think they know

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Speaker 1: everything and not bring in an expert.

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Speaker 11: I think what you're looking at here is a situation of.

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Speaker 1: Don't say small town mentality. Don't go there.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 11: Well, then you just, you know, torpedoed what I was

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Speaker 11: going to say.

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Speaker 10: So let me go.

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Speaker 1: Well, go ahead and say it and then I can

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Speaker 1: fight with you. Go ahead. Okay.

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Speaker 12: All right.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's a situation of a very small community, and

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Speaker 11: you have individuals perhaps, you know, in law enforcement or

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Speaker 11: other official capacities who've done things in a certain way

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Speaker 11: for a certain time. You know, Nancy, we talk about

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Speaker 11: standards of care. In a large, large city, there are

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Speaker 11: many more options and many more exposures with regard to

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Speaker 11: different types of expertise in hospitals. Here, this is a

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Speaker 11: situation of something where, you know, we're talking about a

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Speaker 11: smaller scope of expertise, and therefore individuals can be very

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Speaker 11: confident that they're giving what the standard care or standard

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Speaker 11: expertise is. But in this case, we know that it

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Speaker 11: is not enough. A lot more should have been done,

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Speaker 11: can be done, hopefully will be done. And I believe

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Speaker 11: that there will be more information and evidence that can

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Speaker 11: be parsed out and examined.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm still trying to figure out why people think

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Speaker 1: they know everything. I mean, what I do know for

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Speaker 1: sure is that I don't know everything. It's the only

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Speaker 1: thing I really know. And it would be a cold A,

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Speaker 1: an H-E-double-L, to Ms. Patricia Tice, this is Brittany's mother,

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Speaker 1: that I would come upon a crime scene. And I've

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Speaker 1: been on many, many homicide scenes. and think I knew

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Speaker 1: it all. Sure, I know how to make measurements and

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Speaker 1: take pictures and look for forensic evidence, but for instance,

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Speaker 1: did they search the entire room and home with luminol

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Speaker 1: to see if there had been a struggle in another room?

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Speaker 1: How can there be a brutal sex attack and there's

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Speaker 1: only DNA on her leg? Did the person that raped

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Speaker 1: her wear a condom? Did they wear plastic gloves? You

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Speaker 1: said something, or it was either Amy Naves from Dart

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Speaker 1: Aberrations said something that it was commented the killer must

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Speaker 1: have come in hermetically sealed in plastic wrap. Was that you, Ms. Tice?

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Speaker 4: That was. That's what the attorney general investigator said to me. Explain.

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Speaker 1: What else did the AG investigator say?

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Speaker 4: Well, they said a whole lot, mostly. saying that the

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Speaker 4: investigation is in the purview of Wood County Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 4: But when I would call Wood County Sheriff's Department, they

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Speaker 4: would say, well, the attorney general has the case. You know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of passing the buck, not taking any accountability

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Speaker 4: or responsibility for Brittany's investigation.

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Speaker 1: Why would they do a teen girl's mother wrong? Like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody screwed up the investigation at the get-go,

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Speaker 1: man up and say it and try to start over

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Speaker 1: as best as you can. Listen to our friends at KETK.

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Speaker 4: There are words now in my vocabulary that I just

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Speaker 4: can't believe that they're in there, you know? Bludgeoned or

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Speaker 4: sexual assault or.

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Speaker 1: You know, even murder. But who's the culprit behind those

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Speaker 1: haunting words? Definitely made.

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Speaker 4: Everyone feel very unsafe.

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Speaker 2: Unanswered questions leaves behind an eerie reminder of a cold-hearted

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Speaker 2: killer at large.

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Speaker 1: I've got to go to Dr. Jeff Gardier on this

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Speaker 1: just a moment. Board-certified clinical psychologist. It's like cursing or

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Speaker 1: taking drugs or drinking. You may be apprehensive the first time,

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Speaker 1: but then after that it gets really easy. If someone

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Speaker 1: has already committed a murder, which they have, how easy

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Speaker 1: will it be to do it again? To, for instance,

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Speaker 1: cover up evidence, get rid of a witness. Agree, disagree, Dr. Jeff?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely. One of the psychological tenets we know is if

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Speaker 11: you are not discovered or you are not punished, then

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Speaker 11: you will continue. Just not being discovered or punished is

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Speaker 11: a positive reinforcement to continue in your aberrant behaviors.

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Speaker 1: Just got Morgan. Let's talk about the MO, the COD,

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Speaker 1: the MOD, cause of death. manner of death. What do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 10: First blush, it's up close, very personal, a lot of

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Speaker 10: anger involved. I think that goes without saying. And it

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Speaker 10: is almost like she was tracked to this location. That's

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Speaker 10: why right now, Right now, at this moment, Nancy, my

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Speaker 10: gut is not leaning toward the boyfriend's family. My gut

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Speaker 10: is leaning toward Lowe's Distribution Center. She just left this place.

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Speaker 10: It's about, I don't know, I mean, it looks like

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Speaker 10: it's within about 20 miles of where she died. Now,

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Speaker 10: keep in mind, it's in a separate county, and this

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Speaker 10: thing is vast, Nancy. This distribution center, I was looking

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Speaker 10: at a satellite image, and they actually created an exit

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Speaker 10: off of, specifically for this place. It's massive. It's a

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Speaker 10: 24-hour day operation. And when you see the scope of

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Speaker 10: this place, and it's almost like a straight shot, when

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Speaker 10: you leave out of that location, you go down to

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Speaker 10: Winsboro Lake, down to that location, and from there, and

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Speaker 10: she could be easily followed. She's in that environment. People

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Speaker 10: know that she's leaving work. And God only knows who

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Speaker 10: was working in that location. We're talking about unidentified people

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Speaker 10: DNA found on this baby's leg out there at this scene.

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Speaker 10: And I'm thinking, well, did they go up there to

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Speaker 10: Lowe's and run through that entire group of people that

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Speaker 10: were employed at that point in time? I'm talking about

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Speaker 10: everybody from managers to forklift drivers and to truck drivers.

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Speaker 10: I mean, this is a distribution center. They're hopping on

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Speaker 10: I-30 to take stuff all over the place.

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Speaker 6: There, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: So for me, when I look at this, that's what

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Speaker 10: I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's follow your hypothesis through to its logical conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Let's pretend someone did follow her from Lowe's. Then what

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Speaker 1: do they do? Hide out on a dead-end road and

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Speaker 1: nobody sees them and they wait until everybody leaves the home?

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Speaker 1: I mean... How would they know that the entire family

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Speaker 1: was going to leave? The mom with the two siblings,

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Speaker 1: she goes to work, takes them to school. How would

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Speaker 1: they know the boyfriend and the boyfriend's stepfather going to

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Speaker 1: leave at 8 a.m. to go to the airport? So

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Speaker 1: they sat there and what? Hid behind a tree for

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half?

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Speaker 10: Well, if it's somebody local that knows that location, we

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Speaker 10: don't know what she said to somebody at work. I'm leaving.

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Speaker 10: I'm dead tired. I've worked all night long. I'm going

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Speaker 10: to my boyfriend's trailer. I hope nobody's there. That way

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Speaker 10: I'm going to sleep. And heads down to that location

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Speaker 10: by herself. Somebody up there may have known this. Remember,

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Speaker 10: you know, I don't know how much information people share

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Speaker 10: with folks that they work with. But, you know, some

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Speaker 10: people know a lot about you that work with you.

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Speaker 10: They know what your personal life is all about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what? That's a really good point. Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Fifteen years after a teen girl

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Speaker 1: is murdered in her boyfriend's home, Is there finally a resolution?

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Speaker 1: Has the case been cracked? To Patricia Tice, this is

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Speaker 1: Brittany's mom, were any of the boyfriend's friends questioned? Someone

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Speaker 1: that he may have mentioned to, I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: pick up my grandma from the airport, but hey, you

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Speaker 1: can't come over today because Brittany's here. I mean, Did

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Speaker 1: anyone else know within that circle that she would be

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Speaker 1: there that morning alone and unattended?

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Speaker 4: The teenage sisters? Boyfriend, new.

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Speaker 1: Teenage sister, boyfriend. Has he taken a poly or submitted DNA?

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Speaker 4: Both, and he failed his polygraph, but no DNA connection.

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Speaker 1: DNA is pretty convincing. Let me tell you, it's like

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Speaker 1: one in three trillion that you're not the person. Guys,

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Speaker 1: the good news here is there's a new sheriff in

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Speaker 1: town literally rehashing this case. Take a listen to our cut,

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Speaker 1: 12 regarding DNA.

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Speaker 6: At this point in time, you know, we'd look at

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Speaker 6: anyone or anything.

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Speaker 2: The crime scene leaving behind DNA evidence like bloodstains, something

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Speaker 2: they plan to retest.

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Speaker 8: Let's use what technology we have now to try to

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Speaker 8: see if we can't solve this.

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Speaker 1: But why? Over a decade later with no answer.

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Speaker 8: Cold case groups that have kind of looked at some

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Speaker 8: of this did not look at evidence.

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Speaker 6: They just looked at the reports from things.

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Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, joining me, California prosecutor and author of

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Speaker 1: Red Flags. Wendy, that would be my first line of

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Speaker 1: cross-exam on an expert witness for the defense. They didn't

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Speaker 1: see the evidence. They're making an opinion judging off written reports.

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Speaker 1: You've got to have all the evidence retested.

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Speaker 12: Oh, that's for sure. You know, memories may grow cold

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Speaker 12: as is the case, but you can breathe new life

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Speaker 12: into a cold case through technology. And that's what this

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Speaker 12: new sheriff with his fresh set of eyes and his

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Speaker 12: work ethic is intending to do. Once that happens, I mean,

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Speaker 12: we have technology today that didn't exist even five years ago,

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Speaker 12: much less 15. He'll take another look at the lack

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Speaker 12: of forced entry, no DNA. I mean, you would have

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Speaker 12: thought the boyfriend's DNA would have been there. This is

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Speaker 12: a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. I would almost think it's suspicious if

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Speaker 12: it wasn't. But the fact that he's going to take

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Speaker 12: that fresh look, that's got to be great news for

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Speaker 12: Brittany's family and for that community. Because as you said,

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Speaker 12: if somebody gets away with murder once, how hard is

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Speaker 12: it the next time? That is a huge point.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about something Miss Tice told us, Patricia Tice,

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Speaker 1: Brittany's mom. You said the boyfriend's sister. Boyfriend flunked a poly,

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Speaker 1: you'd think, but his DNA didn't match the DNA on

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Speaker 1: her leg. You know, you can flunk a poly. You

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Speaker 1: could be under suspicion for murder and be innocent, but

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Speaker 1: then you lie on a poly about smoking a joint,

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Speaker 1: and so you fail your poly. That doesn't mean he

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Speaker 1: committed the murder, but why would he flunk the poly?

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Speaker 1: Who else may have known she was there that day?

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Speaker 1: And let me remind everyone that the boyfriend and his

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Speaker 1: stepfather were actually caught on surveillance video. Isn't that right, Ms. Tice?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Where and what time?

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Speaker 4: After 8 o'clock, going from Wentzboro to the Dallas area,

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Speaker 4: which is about a two and a half hour drive

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Speaker 4: each way.

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Speaker 1: In the last days, a break in the case. We

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Speaker 1: learn an arrest has been made. The Wood County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Office tells us that an arrest of a family friend

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Speaker 1: has gone down. Now, the family had theories all along

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Speaker 1: about who murdered Brittany, but they always remained open to

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Speaker 1: any and all possibilities. There was, of course, the family.

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Speaker 1: There were neighbors, unlikely. But now we know the arrest

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Speaker 1: warrant has been obtained by Wood County Sheriff's Office, and

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Speaker 1: it results in Captain Chilson and Ranger Vance traveling to

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Speaker 1: the Dallas-Fort Worth area where Chad Earl Carr was arrested

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Speaker 1: in the 2000 murder of teen girl Brittany McGlone. Now

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Fox 51.

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Speaker 13: Chad Carr is sitting in the Wood County Jail this

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Speaker 13: evening charged with the murder of Brittany McClone, a case

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Speaker 13: we've been following for years. Fox 51's Laura Margolis tells

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Speaker 13: us how investigators finally came to this conclusion more than

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Speaker 13: 15 years after her death.

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Speaker 1: Lauren.

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Speaker 5: In the Wood County Jail after he was arrested last

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Speaker 5: Thursday in the Dallas area. In 2007, 19-year-old Brittany McGlone

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Speaker 5: was beaten, sexually assaulted and murdered in the light of day.

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Speaker 1: Her case remained.

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Speaker 5: Without a suspect being publicly named for more than a decade.

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Speaker 5: Wood County Sheriff Kelly Cole says originally Carr was listed

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Speaker 5: as a suspect along with several others describing the investigation

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Speaker 5: as a process of elimination. He says every sign started

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Speaker 5: pointing to Carr as the years passed.

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Speaker 8: I think it's important to the community to know that

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Speaker 8: we're doing our jobs, even on an old case, to

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Speaker 8: know that we're going to not give up no matter what.

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Speaker 5: He says Carr's arrest brings some relief to the entire area.

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Speaker 1: And Sheriff Cole says it could take.

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Speaker 5: Years for this case to go to court, but he's

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Speaker 5: pleased with this big stepping point. He says Brittany's family

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Speaker 5: is also relieved and that they will continue to fight

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Speaker 5: for justice.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned Carr was magistrated and

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Speaker 1: transported back to the Wood County Jail, booked on capital murder.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online.

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Speaker 14: The actual evidence against Chad Carr has not been released yet,

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Speaker 14: and Brittany McGlone's mother tells me that they are waiting

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Speaker 14: for Carr to be indicted. The Wood County Sheriff tells

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Speaker 14: KTAL good old-fashioned police work made all the difference.

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Speaker 6: The case was 15 years old this past May.

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Speaker 8: From day one when I took over, we started working

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Speaker 8: on the case again. When May came, we started working

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Speaker 8: a little bit harder. You know, 15 years is a

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Speaker 8: long time for a family to be in limbo. So,

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Speaker 8: like I said back at the beginning with some other interviews,

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Speaker 8: I think it had been done. We just started from

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Speaker 8: day one again. Started with everything, going through everything. checking everything,

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Speaker 8: following down every lead, a few new developments in some stuff,

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Speaker 8: which I really don't want to go into, you know,

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Speaker 8: for purposes. The family needs some closure, and this is

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Speaker 8: not complete closure, but this enabled us to get an

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Speaker 8: arrest warrant affidavit put together and have a warrant issued.

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Speaker 8: Captain Chilson and Ranger Vance located him in the Metroplex area.

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Speaker 6: That's where Mr. Carr was at.

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Speaker 8: And they traveled up there the day after we got

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Speaker 8: the warrant issued and were able to pick him up

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Speaker 8: with no issues. Got him arraigned and we transported him

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Speaker 8: back down here where he's in custody now under a

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Speaker 8: million dollar bond.

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Speaker 15: And while he did not speak specifically about the evidence

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Speaker 15: that gave his office enough to make an arrest, Sheriff

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Speaker 15: Cole says it was a combination of evidence, both old

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Speaker 15: and new. And he's confident it's enough to get a conviction.

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Speaker 6: We started in pretty hard conditions.

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Speaker 8: Once that 15 year anniversary had hit, it really kind

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Speaker 8: of hit us that, you know, this has been 15

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Speaker 8: years now. Uh, and, uh, once again, we were working

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Speaker 8: on it off and on all through the year. And

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Speaker 8: it's taken us about a year and a half to

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Speaker 8: get to where we were, uh, putting the pressure on

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Speaker 8: there those last couple of months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: It was the last few months really looking at some things,

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Speaker 8: going to Austin, talking with the attorney general's office, you know,

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Speaker 8: cause at one time they had quite a bit of

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Speaker 8: the stuff, uh, comparing notes and making sure everybody was

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Speaker 8: on the same page and everything pointed to the same person.

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Speaker 6: And to me, it was time to make an arrest.

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Speaker 11: Ms.

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Speaker 1: Tice, how do you keep going?

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Speaker 4: Some days I don't, Nancy. It's just, you know, losing

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Speaker 4: my daughter, that would be bad enough. But then to

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Speaker 4: murder and thinking why anybody would want to hurt her.

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Speaker 4: She was a completely innocent victim. And some days I

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Speaker 4: just can't go forward. You know, I just have to

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Speaker 4: be still.

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Speaker 1: Ms. Tice, tell me your most vivid memory of Brittany.

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Speaker 4: I have so many. Just even when I had her,

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Speaker 4: I wanted a little girl so bad. And she was

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Speaker 4: a dream child, you know, smart, funny. Caring, not rebellious,

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Speaker 4: no drugs, no alcohol, an honor student. And she loved

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Speaker 4: her family and she made everyone that she come in

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Speaker 4: contact with, made them feel that they were the most

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Speaker 4: important person in her life. And I would very often

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Speaker 4: look at her and just wonder how I got so

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Speaker 4: lucky to have such a dream daughter.

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Speaker 1: Carr's bond said at $ 1 million, we wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.