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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, along

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Speaker 1: welcome Danielle di Martineau, boost CEO and director of Intelligence

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Speaker 1: based in Dallas. Danielle, what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: idea that we may not get stimulus before the election

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Speaker 1: while the pandemic lingers. So there's that, and that will

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Speaker 1: definitely put a pin in any kind of burgeoning recovery

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Speaker 1: that we're seeing. Well, I think that there are two

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Speaker 1: is that there's this underlying weakness that is going to

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Speaker 1: continue to play out and stay and local employment for example,

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Speaker 1: we're waiting patiently as as they could for that next

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Speaker 1: true stimulus package that provided them with a weekly jolt

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Speaker 1: full and escape velocity, if you will, reopening of the

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Speaker 1: U S economy. The other thing I think that's at

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Speaker 1: play today, though, is the market trying to wrap its

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of money in Uncle Sam's checking account,

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Speaker 1: be pulled upon. But what what will what will it

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Speaker 1: the rest of the country that needs stimulus measures not

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Speaker 1: receiving them. What might do you can those checks come

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Speaker 1: out before election day? And most importantly, I think what's

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Speaker 1: driving trading today is rumblings on trading floors about Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates saying we might not need a vaccine. If what

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Speaker 1: same time we see big companies like the Walt Disney

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Speaker 1: underlying health of the employment market or lack there of

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Speaker 1: in the United States. Well, I think it's more important

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Speaker 1: well as fargoes intent this morning that it was going

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Speaker 1: continue As these white collar job losses percolate through the economy.

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Speaker 1: That will continue to trickle down, but not in a

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that that Powell knows he can

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Speaker 1: that filters back into the stock market. Daniel d Martino Booth,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your insights. Danielle de Martino Boots, CEO and

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Speaker 1: directive intelligence at Quill Intelligence, former advisor at the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Federal Reserve, and a Bloomberg Opinion columnists. Also you know

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Speaker 1: just extraordinary book. She's the author of fed Up, an

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Speaker 1: insider's take on why the Federal Reserve is bad for America.

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Speaker 1: It is time for Bloomberg Opinion on Bloomberg Radio. Tai

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Speaker 1: some significant news out recently. The House of Representatives out

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. How it just give us a sense of

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Speaker 1: So tell you I think you know. Historically the United

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Speaker 1: very clearly j people can donate. Well, if anybody wants

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Speaker 1: that's your most precious resource, your time. We'd love to

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Speaker 1: So we'd encourage people to follow us on social media

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Speaker 1: Team Rubicon USA dot org. I'll say that one more time,

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Speaker 1: Team Rubicon USA dot org. Jake, thanks for sharing your

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Speaker 1: much appreciated. That is Jake would, founder and CEO of

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