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Speaker 1: is this is your favorite episode. It's Sophia's favorite episode.
Speaker 1: She loves rain Towers so much. Hi, everybody, We're like,
Speaker 1: we're all debating about who's going to start with this
Speaker 1: because because we're all trying that, I'm emotionally spent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't with this. There's part of me that is
Speaker 1: glad that Ellie storyline is over because it has been
Speaker 1: an ordeal me trying not to cry in these episodes.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like we've been sitting on zoom the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. All of us crying and um,
Speaker 1: this one took the cake. Season three, episode thirteen, The
Speaker 1: Wind that Blew My Heart Away. Before we watched the
Speaker 1: episode and we read the title, we were all joking
Speaker 1: that it feels like a romance novel with Fabio on
Speaker 1: the cover, and now we're like, oh, what a bait
Speaker 1: and switch, another Baden switch. I loved this episode. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Okay, y'all. This episode aired originally on February first,
Speaker 1: two thousand six. It is about the big storm which
Speaker 1: causes a blackout hits Tree Hill, and some very pivotal
Speaker 1: relationship moments happen for everyone. Everybody's all coupled up in
Speaker 1: the rain. Keith and Karen's relationship takes a big step
Speaker 1: forward physically and emotionally with three little words, but Dan
Speaker 1: gets in the way again. Mouth and Rachel's friendship keeps growing.
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley find common ground on their college issue
Speaker 1: and perhaps their marriage. Lucas declares his love for Brooke again.
Speaker 1: Ellie and Peyton grow closer as mother and daughter, but
Speaker 1: Ellie decides to leave anyway, perhaps to try to protect
Speaker 1: Peyton as she knows she is going to pass away.
Speaker 1: We all sobbed and David Jackson really directed the hell
Speaker 1: out of this directed Oh my god, and Stacy Rukeys
Speaker 1: are brought all the feelings in the script and uh
Speaker 1: not mentioned in our synopsis, but someone who certainly deserves
Speaker 1: a shout out as Lindsay Wolfington, our incredible music supervisor
Speaker 1: who really brought a soundtrack that um devastated us. Allow
Speaker 1: and I don't know what to say. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: not to cry. I guess we should get into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, this episode was a dance. The way it
Speaker 1: was directed, it felt like it was seamless. There was
Speaker 1: never a jarring moment. There's nothing that felt like, oh
Speaker 1: I'm watching a show. I felt like I was in it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in it, but right, but also
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you know what it was. Um.
Speaker 1: We have two tempos that we do really well on
Speaker 1: our show. We do the crowd scenes, the big basketball
Speaker 1: montage is really really well with lots and lots and
Speaker 1: lots of people, And there were never more than two
Speaker 1: people in any scene in this episode. It was theater.
Speaker 1: It was theater. You would get a four page scene
Speaker 1: and you'd have to act the scene and not be
Speaker 1: dependent on the editor. Tricks and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: some really powerful monologues in this episode. It was beautiful
Speaker 1: to watch every pair have their own version of vulnerability.
Speaker 1: You know, Hillary, you had this amazing dynamic of ease
Speaker 1: growing with Cheryl and Joy. We finally get to see
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan in this The note that I wrote
Speaker 1: down on one of my post it notes was innocence
Speaker 1: like the kids cereal and the sweet conversation, And it
Speaker 1: was this innocent moment for these two who had been
Speaker 1: through a lot and and you know, Brooke lashes out
Speaker 1: about feeling used and and perhaps not prioritized, and Lucas
Speaker 1: has to kind of take it. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the cartoons when you see somebody
Speaker 1: put their hand on someone's forehead and that person is
Speaker 1: just punching, but you can't reach the person. So so
Speaker 1: everyone had their own dynamic, but in these pairs the
Speaker 1: vulnerability really ran the gamut. I really really enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: everybody just act their faces off. Yeah. Maybe that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I really love this episode, because
Speaker 1: it it was theater, like you're saying, it was just
Speaker 1: us in a room together, And yes, it could have
Speaker 1: been a slightly less exciting with um, maybe a less
Speaker 1: skilled director, because I think David brought a lot to
Speaker 1: this in terms of creating the story of the storm
Speaker 1: as a character and bringing the town together and all
Speaker 1: of our locations and I mean we that really really helped.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, everything was relying
Speaker 1: on us being able to deliver in each of our
Speaker 1: respective rooms. And UM, I'm just so proud of all
Speaker 1: of us. I think we all did a great job.
Speaker 1: Good job, good job, team, good team. Good I M
Speaker 1: I love too. You know what you're saying about David
Speaker 1: Jackson as a director. You said something at the beginning
Speaker 1: that illuminated his choices for me. You said, it really
Speaker 1: felt like a dance. You keep saying, it felt like theater.
Speaker 1: It felt like you were in these little, you know,
Speaker 1: black box theaters with these two actors in every spot.
Speaker 1: Probably helped also energetically by the fact that the rooms
Speaker 1: were dark. But David did this beautiful thing, like you
Speaker 1: know when you see good ballet and dancers like handoff
Speaker 1: between each other and from one side of the stage
Speaker 1: you just follow motion. He did that with the camera. Yes,
Speaker 1: every scene would pass through to the next one. Without
Speaker 1: it feeling like a device, like we're passing, you know,
Speaker 1: like in the Breakfast Club episode, that device was used
Speaker 1: and it worked for that comedy of that episode and
Speaker 1: sort of where we were. But if someone had tried
Speaker 1: to do that with this episode, it would have felt forced.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I mean, that was really great.
Speaker 1: I want to watch it again, just from a director's
Speaker 1: perspective together, I agree, because it was so well done,
Speaker 1: especially because you know, we know from having become directors
Speaker 1: on the show, you can design transitions and things, and
Speaker 1: so often your coolest shots get lost for time. They're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta get right to the dialogue, and like the
Speaker 1: thing you spent an hour setting up just ends up
Speaker 1: on the cutting room floor. And you saw and and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very curious about how someone like him, who
Speaker 1: you know, came from much more experience than obviously we
Speaker 1: did on our first couple of episodes. I knew how
Speaker 1: to create motion that wouldn't be lost and that wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel like a gimmick, that is a that is a
Speaker 1: a needle to thread. And I agree, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to watch it again. It felt like our show.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like somebody's coming in and trying to
Speaker 1: do their own tricks and experiment and learn how to
Speaker 1: direct or something. It was like, no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: honor your show well, And they threw in this huge
Speaker 1: curveball with also, it's going to be a hurricane, which
Speaker 1: is going to be very expensive. It's really hard to shoot,
Speaker 1: and so all of the things that we had to
Speaker 1: do in the homes we had to do that in
Speaker 1: like three or four days because the vast majority of
Speaker 1: the time we spent was doing hurricane stuff all nights.
Speaker 1: Episode in the rain. It must have been cold because
Speaker 1: we had all those freeze but more than that, like
Speaker 1: once you got wet, you had to continue to do
Speaker 1: hours of work after that. So do you remember the
Speaker 1: inflatable hot tub of hot water at home? They don't
Speaker 1: know how we did this. Hit him, hit them, tell
Speaker 1: him how we do this. So this episode, you know,
Speaker 1: aard in February, which meant we were filming it around
Speaker 1: the beginning of December. And for our friends at home,
Speaker 1: it doesn't often snow in Wilmington's, but it is a
Speaker 1: cold winter place, made a little more confusing in terms
Speaker 1: of how the temperature affects you by the fact that
Speaker 1: it'll get right around like thirty four or thirty three degrees,
Speaker 1: not quite cold enough for everything to freeze. But Wilmington's
Speaker 1: on the ocean, so everything is damp and it's freezing.
Speaker 1: We've done some water based episodes in previous seasons and
Speaker 1: everybody got really, really sick. So for this one, they said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna spring, you know, we'll spend some extra money guys,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get these inflatable hot tubs. And our
Speaker 1: sweet FX crew ran hot water in these things. But
Speaker 1: it was like just above freezing. You'd go and you'd
Speaker 1: get soaking wet under these freezing cold rain towers and
Speaker 1: then they'd throw you in this hot tub. But you
Speaker 1: were wet, but then it was hot and so it hurt,
Speaker 1: and it just it was also about three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. It was only all night. It's not like
Speaker 1: when you go to the you know, Norwegian spa and
Speaker 1: you have a dip in the cold tub and then
Speaker 1: you have a dip in the hot tub, and it's
Speaker 1: it's the middle of the day at your not elegant, No,
Speaker 1: you're like fully clothed, you're fairly clothed. So in that
Speaker 1: whole bit where Brooke and Lucas are like tropping down
Speaker 1: that road that was the road behind the studio. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and they set up that little hot tub thing, the
Speaker 1: inflatable pool under a tent because once the towers were going,
Speaker 1: they take a while to turn on and off. And
Speaker 1: I just remember being out there, you know, yelling and
Speaker 1: stopping my feet, like back by the airport, and those
Speaker 1: boots I was wearing would fill up to the top
Speaker 1: with freezing water every take, and and the other thing
Speaker 1: that comes back to me, it's like I can smell
Speaker 1: it the whole thing. Remember the fans, Yeah, those fans
Speaker 1: are disgusting to blow. The rain wasn't enough just to
Speaker 1: rain once, and they wanted the water to be blowing sideways,
Speaker 1: to look like the worst storm anyone would ever scene.
Speaker 1: And so they got these fans, these giant yellow industrial
Speaker 1: fans that I I'm not exaggerating, are as wide around
Speaker 1: as an airplane, like if you cut an airplane in half,
Speaker 1: and they put one on either end of the road,
Speaker 1: just off camera, which also meant that the whole episode
Speaker 1: was like so we had to go in. They cut
Speaker 1: the episode reading our lips in those scenes, and then
Speaker 1: we had to go to a d R and and
Speaker 1: do could you guys even here each other? Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean we were screaming to hear so bad, which you
Speaker 1: can hear in the a d R. You didn't like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was wild. It was so It's one of those
Speaker 1: ideas through like no one thought like, hey, We're going
Speaker 1: to do this thing in the rain and also have
Speaker 1: to record half the episode all over again. We never
Speaker 1: ever did those big industrial fans for a hurricane episode
Speaker 1: again because it it costs so much money to do
Speaker 1: the post production, and like, things weren't matching even when
Speaker 1: I when I'm screaming and I'm like, I am not
Speaker 1: sure recycling Bin, That's not what I said in the
Speaker 1: tape that they used, And I was like, guys, we
Speaker 1: were out there, we were like doing the scene. We're
Speaker 1: ad libbing and whatever. If you want the dialogue as scripted,
Speaker 1: like use the any other take other than the one
Speaker 1: where I said the wrong line, And they were like,
Speaker 1: we like that one the way. It looks the best.
Speaker 1: So I just yell recycling Bin over my mouth doing something.
Speaker 1: I'm well, I love the scene that Nathan and Haley
Speaker 1: have just because it dates our show in such a
Speaker 1: beautiful way because he had put out every article on
Speaker 1: her tour. It's so we just freaking screen grab that stuff.
Speaker 1: You just take screenshots, that's right. So you have like
Speaker 1: a note with the links to the online articles. But
Speaker 1: back in the day they were physical. Boyfriend had a
Speaker 1: shoe box. Did you guys have shoe boxes? Yes? Who
Speaker 1: still have a box of notes and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff? I mean, did you ever have like a
Speaker 1: person's specific shoebox? Yes? Yeah? Yeah, I mean why are
Speaker 1: we talking past tense? I might have six or seven
Speaker 1: of them. Um, you know there's something witchy about that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to keep all the mementos of this
Speaker 1: person so I can conjure them. It's right, it's mine,
Speaker 1: it belongs to me now. Yes, yes, I'm not burning
Speaker 1: red candles while I look at these things. No. And
Speaker 1: it's such a thing that like you wouldn't expect like
Speaker 1: a jock dude to do. Yeah, Nathan, I loved it too.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting at that kitchen owner and feeling like
Speaker 1: in the first scene and he's like, that's how, that's
Speaker 1: how you wore your hair the first time, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It was very sweet. Hilary, you pointed out, you know,
Speaker 1: I loved it. I remember it feeling really forced, like
Speaker 1: we were both forcing our way through that dialogue, because
Speaker 1: it's also so not James to talk that way. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know that sort of I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was never in that context with him in real life,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he really ever does that
Speaker 1: or not. But it just didn't seem like his personality,
Speaker 1: and we both seemed to just be having a hard
Speaker 1: time like getting through it. But then once we got
Speaker 1: into it and we were like down on the floor
Speaker 1: and by the fireplace, and then we were in the
Speaker 1: Renaissance painting in the Renaissance, pa wasn't it just felt
Speaker 1: more conversational, I guess, and more playful, and so we
Speaker 1: that that felt great. And then out in the rain,
Speaker 1: when did the notebook come out? I feel like we
Speaker 1: were just copying that scene because everybody was copying that
Speaker 1: scene in the rain. Once everybody was kissing, every show
Speaker 1: was like, let us in the rain. It has to happen.
Speaker 1: Somebody kiss in the rain. It just dawned on me
Speaker 1: as you were talking about that monologue being scripted for James,
Speaker 1: it's a huge Grant monologue. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's absolutely a huge Grant monologue, and so to have James,
Speaker 1: who is very much like a practical man, deliver it
Speaker 1: is I mean, I found it very impactful because I
Speaker 1: was swooning and you're like Hillary, I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: he remembers all those things. That's I would never have
Speaker 1: expected that. Can you stay that again with a British accent.
Speaker 1: Two of us were dying and how sweet you guys
Speaker 1: were enjoyed. You were like, oh so awkward that day.
Speaker 1: It's such a testament to how you never know how
Speaker 1: something's going to look to an audience, how it's going
Speaker 1: to cut together in an edit, and or something I
Speaker 1: always loved because you guys had to act together the
Speaker 1: entire I mean the entire length of the show, like
Speaker 1: your friendship was like you so often, you guys have
Speaker 1: this amazing almost like went off camera almost sibling energy,
Speaker 1: and when one of you would be like, what is
Speaker 1: this scene? It would just be so funny and it
Speaker 1: always wound up. You guys had this shorthand to where
Speaker 1: even if something to your point felt forced, you would
Speaker 1: find something like really special together and it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's cool to watch it from this distance and to
Speaker 1: hear you'd be like, oh man, that day was so
Speaker 1: awkward and did but you know what that it is
Speaker 1: kind of the magic the liking the bottle that you
Speaker 1: don't know how it happens or where it comes from.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean they would write this stuff for us,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times we would be like, this
Speaker 1: is so ridiculous, but we would just commit to it
Speaker 1: and it turned out great and loved it and the
Speaker 1: chemistry worked and it would just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, check another box off the list. We did it.
Speaker 1: It turned out. Yeah. Well, in this episode they nailed it,
Speaker 1: having you and Nathan like talking about the relationship, talking
Speaker 1: about the tour, finally addressing the stuff with Chris Keller,
Speaker 1: with Tyler Hilton singing the Little Crowdground Lindsey Wolfington Genius
Speaker 1: him covering missing You while you guys are getting over
Speaker 1: the Chris Keller of it all was that's my favorite cover.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just love you know, Chris Keller
Speaker 1: perhaps is your guardian angel. Maybe you guys would have
Speaker 1: fizzled out and burned if you didn't have to deal
Speaker 1: with the you know, that first little bit of turmoil,
Speaker 1: but he made you guys really fight for it. Right.
Speaker 1: We found our way back right and that rain it
Speaker 1: was again another one of those like it's pelting you
Speaker 1: in the eye. I couldn't look up at him. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys are always kissing in the rain. Oh so
Speaker 1: and I and I also had just I don't know
Speaker 1: if I had just gotten married when this was shot,
Speaker 1: or if I was about to get married, but I
Speaker 1: felt suddenly very you know, I was young, and like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I should interact with my on
Speaker 1: screen husband when I was in a romantic relationship and
Speaker 1: wanting to like be a good partner in real life,
Speaker 1: but also wanted to do my job well. And you
Speaker 1: know there were some complications with that anyway. Um, just
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody's feelings and you know, it just
Speaker 1: was like what do I do? And so? And I
Speaker 1: remember when I was watching this, I was like, he
Speaker 1: picks me up. Why didn't I wrap my legs around
Speaker 1: him and just like give him a big hug? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's why, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what you were trying to have a boundary, yeah, like
Speaker 1: doing but where where is my art? And my personal
Speaker 1: life and where you know, it's like young trying to
Speaker 1: figure all that stuff out. That stuff was hard. It
Speaker 1: was hard then and it's still even weird now. Like
Speaker 1: when we spent last year up in Canada, I'm having
Speaker 1: to kiss Edwyn and Michael at work and sweet Grant
Speaker 1: is like we all hang out like every weekend that
Speaker 1: I know that you guys have to kiss it work.
Speaker 1: Does it make it weird if I say something? Do
Speaker 1: I crack a joke? Do I not? And I was like,
Speaker 1: imagine how I feel I have to do it? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: still weird even as a grow up. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: our jobs are very strange. Well, and and let's talk
Speaker 1: about partners while we're here, let's talk getting some gyms.
Speaker 1: The hand went up. I'm ready because uh mouth gives
Speaker 1: this whole speech, which, okay, we're gonna get into the
Speaker 1: mouth and Rachel, but he gives this whole speech about
Speaker 1: how I'm not going to kiss you because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: want to do it again and you won't. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wait till you want to do it again all the time.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. Kids, kiss everything. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now, as a four year old woman, just kiss
Speaker 1: one of everything, two of everything, three, I don't care,
Speaker 1: do it? Kiss everything. It's so fun. It's what you
Speaker 1: talk to your friends about when you're an old person.
Speaker 1: You're just like, can you believe I kiss that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Um, I don't buy into the mouth
Speaker 1: of it all. I think he should have kissed her,
Speaker 1: and my face, my face with mouth didn't kiss her. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was so mad. I was stunned. Kid. But listen,
Speaker 1: I do respect that he had. There are some people
Speaker 1: who can do that, who can super just make it
Speaker 1: super casual because it's just fun, and you know, you
Speaker 1: understand that you're in high school and nothing is lasting forever.
Speaker 1: That starts in high school generally speaking, you know, except
Speaker 1: in tree Hill, where we all stay together for the
Speaker 1: one who did the long relationship on screen. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some people are more sensitive than others. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: mouth knew that his heart would get attached. Um, and
Speaker 1: so you know, knowing that he's not that kind of
Speaker 1: a person, I could I could appreciate and respect that.
Speaker 1: I thought he was crazy that night, but yeah, would
Speaker 1: you have kissed her? I would have kissed her. I
Speaker 1: also I will say. I liked where that wound up
Speaker 1: because in the beginning the things that were written for
Speaker 1: Rachel to say made me feel very uncomfortable. This girl,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, what was that quote? Did we write
Speaker 1: it down to be mean to girls? If you want
Speaker 1: them to like you? Here it is you can tell
Speaker 1: a girl she's nothing and she'll come running. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: pick out a flaw and then blow it way out
Speaker 1: of proportion, she says. And I was like, okay, we
Speaker 1: know the incredible woman who wrote this episode, and the
Speaker 1: three of us were going this was a asked by
Speaker 1: you know who being a bully, because you know, we
Speaker 1: worked for some people who who not only picked on
Speaker 1: us as women and on our friendships, but really picked
Speaker 1: on us all physically in ways that were was real shy,
Speaker 1: Like it just felt terrible. How many times or you've
Speaker 1: got chicken e legs? Or there was always like a
Speaker 1: comment about I was fat asked. That was totally the
Speaker 1: thing that floated around for me. So frustrating, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're like, yeah, honey, I mean and your businesses
Speaker 1: are talking about you like that behind your back. It's
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. And it was interesting too, because like they
Speaker 1: figured out how to bully everybody Like Hillary, they bullied
Speaker 1: you for being skinny, and then they always bullied me
Speaker 1: for not being as skinny as you. Like. There was
Speaker 1: always a thing, and it was they just felt horrible,
Speaker 1: and I think the three of us really went when
Speaker 1: we saw those words coming out of Rachel's mouth, because
Speaker 1: it felt familiar and bad. I was like, Oh, there's
Speaker 1: a trigger. That's what therapists talk about. Look at the
Speaker 1: three of us having a moment. And and then as
Speaker 1: much as I didn't like that, I understood why they
Speaker 1: went so far with her in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode so that they could kind of wrap it up
Speaker 1: near the end of the episode. And you could see that,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes based on how we're socialized, girls can
Speaker 1: be terrible agents of the patriarchy. And then there's sweet
Speaker 1: Mouth saying I don't care what she looks like and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to need it to be this side
Speaker 1: or the other. I'm gonna love this girl who loves me,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell her she's beautiful every day and I'll
Speaker 1: never be mean to her and I'll never pick on her.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, man, more mouth, Like we
Speaker 1: just needed more of this guy. He said, she'll be
Speaker 1: an elite girl to me, to me, elite girls? What
Speaker 1: the definition of an elite girl? So when Rachel wait,
Speaker 1: I literally just want but all I did was writing
Speaker 1: end quotes quote the elite girls. What the what you
Speaker 1: can say? What is an elite girl? An elite girl?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Brooke. It feels rude and u According
Speaker 1: to Rachel, they're the elite girls. Come on, we're elite.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope there are girl gangs
Speaker 1: all over America starting right now, dubbing themselves the elite
Speaker 1: girls because call it. You know, this is we're the
Speaker 1: girls that everybody wants to make out with. And that's
Speaker 1: the word that I also feel so weird about, because
Speaker 1: if you haven't noticed, it's always like really misogynistic billionaire
Speaker 1: men who call people who have fractions of their money
Speaker 1: elite in the world today, and I'm just like, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on here? So I feel like I
Speaker 1: would love to know what elite meant in the sort
Speaker 1: of cultural lexicon. In two Stacy. Stacy was sitting there
Speaker 1: at her desk and she was like, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: it's not the it. Girls were not Paris Hilton. It's
Speaker 1: can't be the pink lady. Yeah, where's my thesaurus? What's
Speaker 1: the word that means special? Elite? These are lead girls? Now,
Speaker 1: it's I think you were right by the way Hillary
Speaker 1: that she was kind of poking fun at our creator
Speaker 1: because she with the poncho, the whole thing with the
Speaker 1: poncho with Nathan and and a lot of the dialogue
Speaker 1: that Rachel was saying it was so it felt it
Speaker 1: felt very over overly done, to the point where it
Speaker 1: was so overtly exact phrases that had come out of
Speaker 1: his mouth. Yeah. Yeah, so able to rebuttal that from
Speaker 1: like from perspective of like, no, this is and we
Speaker 1: know he sort of always saw himself his mouth. So
Speaker 1: I think it's genius level trolling and that because when
Speaker 1: when they said like certain things about Rachel, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know those things that Mark used
Speaker 1: to pick on, and what mouth says is, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't find any flaws in this. You're perfect and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to come after you physically and kiss
Speaker 1: you because it's inappropriate. And so it's basically a female
Speaker 1: writer's way of putting him in check. Just being like, no, no, tachie,
Speaker 1: tachi techie, t like it. I wanted to hear something
Speaker 1: else with my mouth and Rachel that I want to
Speaker 1: talk about um. When he first is there in the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, he kisses her and she's like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Did you just try and kiss
Speaker 1: me or he tries to kiss her something, and he says, well,
Speaker 1: you invited me over, you offered me a beer and
Speaker 1: then turned out all the light and we're sitting on
Speaker 1: your bed, like basically, what else am I supposed to think?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I just thought we were going to
Speaker 1: hang out or whatever. And he's great about it. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. You know, it's a really a nice
Speaker 1: example of how to behave. UM what do we think of? Like,
Speaker 1: is it fair to say that if you're putting out
Speaker 1: those kinds of signals, it's a fair assumption for the
Speaker 1: other person to make that this is your goal. I mean,
Speaker 1: she definitely put out a vibe. Well, no, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back mouth set the tone with the
Speaker 1: I'm taking a picture in your bedroom because I want
Speaker 1: to be able to like show my friends that I
Speaker 1: was in your bedroom, okay, yeah, and she is like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to impress your friends, let's take like
Speaker 1: a good photo. And that's when she pulls him onto
Speaker 1: the bed and it's like, let's you know, that's a
Speaker 1: wingman move. That's a move where it's like you will
Speaker 1: look cool. I'm gonna make you look really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, she's I just feel for I feel
Speaker 1: for guys like that they're like trying to hatch the
Speaker 1: signals and for girls who are trying to send signals.
Speaker 1: But now we're in a phase right now where it's
Speaker 1: like I don't guys don't want to pick up on
Speaker 1: signals because they don't want to be afraid that they
Speaker 1: did it wrong. And then we're just sitting here like
Speaker 1: what is he going to make him over? Is the
Speaker 1: coolest invention ever because literally all you have to do
Speaker 1: is be like you trying to Yeah, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it got so simple right right. Here's what I think
Speaker 1: is interesting. We're analyzing this as adults. I when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, I was still having sleepovers every weekend, and
Speaker 1: you you are in this gray area where it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: when my friends come over, there we hang out in
Speaker 1: my room, like I don't have my parents do. And
Speaker 1: so what I liked about it was the fact that
Speaker 1: he went well because of all this, I was kind
Speaker 1: of hoping and she's like, I just invited you to
Speaker 1: hang out with me, like, oh god, And but they
Speaker 1: got over it real fast. He was just like mortified.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big deal. It was just like I
Speaker 1: tried something. No thanks, Oh okay, sorry, no problem, let's
Speaker 1: move on to the next topic. Perfect. Sure, it's it's
Speaker 1: mature because it's communicated. Things get messy when you're not communicating.
Speaker 1: And then he was like sorry. I just kind of
Speaker 1: was wondering if all this meant and she was like, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's not my intention. And then they let it go.
Speaker 1: And so that's where I think to your point, being
Speaker 1: like do you want to kiss me? I think I
Speaker 1: want to kiss you is a great idea. You just ask,
Speaker 1: and if somebody says no, it's like not the end
Speaker 1: of the world. And if somebody says yes, you get
Speaker 1: to make out good for you. You You know how many
Speaker 1: more people I would have kissed in high school if
Speaker 1: I knew that trick of like, hey, do you want
Speaker 1: to kiss? We used to have to guess. Kids, We
Speaker 1: had a guess if someone wanted to kiss us, And
Speaker 1: now the rules are different and all you have to
Speaker 1: do is ask, which is fun. That's like, there are
Speaker 1: fun ways to set it up. Let me know when
Speaker 1: you're trying to kiss me. Yeah, And I liked it. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: does go back to what he said in the end
Speaker 1: when he's like, when you wake up and you have
Speaker 1: to call me, like, when I'm the one you want,
Speaker 1: then we can talk about kissing. And I was like, touche.
Speaker 1: And then she bounces over to his locker room Monday morning. Hi. Hi,
Speaker 1: but oh, speaking of the locker she made out of
Speaker 1: contact with Brooke. Brooke is right, you can sweet and
Speaker 1: bitchy at the same time. I like duality. M I
Speaker 1: did like that. I liked seeing that little moment. That
Speaker 1: was just a nice little reminder of where we are
Speaker 1: in the story and in our fairy tale land. That's
Speaker 1: where we are. How about how about Moira. I'm pushing
Speaker 1: off Ellie because it's the most emotional thing. So how
Speaker 1: about Moira and Craig the keithing we speaking of kissing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the windows they got down in the couch on
Speaker 1: Main Street, with windows that corner building. What a bold move.
Speaker 1: Not even the kids are doing that on this show.
Speaker 1: And we were spicy. Um the street was so lovely,
Speaker 1: and these moments between them were very they were very sexy,
Speaker 1: but like tender, and I was like, oh, oh, there's
Speaker 1: something happening here between these two. I felt. I felt
Speaker 1: I didn't at all. I didn't like it. It felt weird.
Speaker 1: I like, you've never thought they had chemistry. I like
Speaker 1: the way that Craig and Barbara acted like I was
Speaker 1: I shipped as the kids say, deb and Keith. I
Speaker 1: thought their chemistry was like bane on us. And you know,
Speaker 1: Moira and Craig certainly had like a tender element. But
Speaker 1: just always kind of felt like, guys, you have be
Speaker 1: friends for so long, Why are we going to do this?
Speaker 1: Why are we going to go down this road? What
Speaker 1: is it about chemistry? How like? How how is it
Speaker 1: that some people just don't click on camera and some
Speaker 1: people do, even if they're written for each other and
Speaker 1: they're right, they're both great actors. It's such a mystery
Speaker 1: to me what that factor is? Chemical? Chemical must be chemical? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is embarrassing to like, it's embarrassing as an
Speaker 1: actor to know that the chemicals there right, and then
Speaker 1: have to be like, but it's pretend this is our job.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a weird dance you have to do
Speaker 1: in your head where you're like, I don't love this person.
Speaker 1: I can fake it really well though, because we both
Speaker 1: were genetically predisposed with the arimones needed to create a
Speaker 1: chemical connection. But also a lot of people who are
Speaker 1: not remotely attracted to each other have great chemistry on screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say, people who hate each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that has at times been there, done that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Joy. You're the third vote, so few votes
Speaker 1: yes on Karen and Keith Nathan Karen, I'm definitely a no.
Speaker 1: I know you are. I I'm kind of go back
Speaker 1: and forth. I was watching them when they were talking
Speaker 1: in the cafe right before the last scene, when they
Speaker 1: were all tangled up in each other, um, and they
Speaker 1: do feel like friends. It's it's a little boring to me.
Speaker 1: It's not exciting. Sophia. We're gonna hold on, We're gonna
Speaker 1: bring Sophia over the dark side. Sophia, Karen and Andy
Speaker 1: versus Karen and Keith. No, I get it. I I
Speaker 1: think what's interesting. There's so much on our show that's
Speaker 1: about chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, fireworks whatever. The like the way
Speaker 1: that he got real close to her face in the
Speaker 1: back of the cafe at the top of the episode,
Speaker 1: right before the blackout and did his whole bit about
Speaker 1: like single guy, single girl, lots of history. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: And I think perhaps because so much of Keith, the
Speaker 1: Keith storyline is combative. Him and Dan are combative, him
Speaker 1: and deb were they had fireworks, but it was a
Speaker 1: real bad idea and it made a mess. Everything's messy,
Speaker 1: and him and Karen are tender. It's a kind of safe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I I feel kind of drawn
Speaker 1: to that ease and that comfort, which maybe is because
Speaker 1: you know, I've done enough therapy to no longer be
Speaker 1: willing to date toxic people. And I'm like, look at
Speaker 1: that emotional safety and communication with two people would genuinely
Speaker 1: respect each other. I like it. So what you're saying
Speaker 1: is I got to take a class. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying perhaps I like it now in a way,
Speaker 1: and I might not. I appreciate what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I hear you and I honor your truth. See I'm
Speaker 1: using my therapy words to um. Yeah, okay, so who else?
Speaker 1: So Dan creeping around in this storm and then getting
Speaker 1: the key to the Sorry, I'm sorry. In what world
Speaker 1: does a background check that you can do on a
Speaker 1: website tell you a personally safety posit box? I hated
Speaker 1: back then internet was still like we were still inventing
Speaker 1: the Internet. Then it was a work in progress that
Speaker 1: felt really lame. Yeah, they got they got bored on
Speaker 1: that one. They're like, just get us from point A
Speaker 1: to point B, Like, just get us in that lock box. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, we've got these fabulous flashbacks to remind us
Speaker 1: that Keith didn't take the Ledger. It was Lucas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just was like, why is the Ledger back? And Dan?
Speaker 1: I guess it would have been. Was it last season?
Speaker 1: When He's like you thought that was real? I set
Speaker 1: you up to prove that you, you know, are conviving
Speaker 1: whatever he said to Lucas. So now it's worth something
Speaker 1: like didn't shred it? And Brooke put it together? Very confused. Wait,
Speaker 1: that was long sheets of paper. It was like one
Speaker 1: long print out. Get back together? What was in the
Speaker 1: Ledger copy? Was it a copy that Brooke put back together.
Speaker 1: It was something from from Dan's from the ceiling. Dan
Speaker 1: shredded a whole bunch of stuff once Lucas had seen
Speaker 1: the ledger. So I don't know, probably files or something
Speaker 1: that's if you guys are going to be a criminal,
Speaker 1: do better tidy up. What is Dan even looking for
Speaker 1: in Keith's place? He just decided to go wander around
Speaker 1: and poke around because he and the one picture he
Speaker 1: knocks over has a key behind it, and of course
Speaker 1: it's a picture of the two of them from when
Speaker 1: they loved each other. I don't know that all felt
Speaker 1: there was one strange little flashback of the two boys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know it's actually in the context
Speaker 1: of the episode, but it felt like that would have
Speaker 1: worked better if the whole episode really was about the
Speaker 1: two of them and then together episode. Yeah. I also,
Speaker 1: I just have to express something because we're talking about
Speaker 1: our own sort of lessons in directing and and what.
Speaker 1: There was so much in this episode that David Jackson
Speaker 1: did so well. It drives me nuts when directors and
Speaker 1: maybe he just wasn't given the time. Let me let
Speaker 1: me fast. Seven hours after we filmed All the Storm
Speaker 1: stuff to do everything. But like when when whether it's directors, producers,
Speaker 1: the whole show, maybe they were running late. You know,
Speaker 1: working with kids is tricky because you only get them
Speaker 1: for so much time. But when you don't work with
Speaker 1: kids enough to get them past the stage where they
Speaker 1: are saying their lines and looking at the other kid
Speaker 1: and saying everything is going to be okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: help these kids talk to each other and and and there,
Speaker 1: that whole thing felt rushed, even the way they shot
Speaker 1: that scene with them, like they never got comfortable with
Speaker 1: their dialogue. And and I think it must have been
Speaker 1: we were always behind the ball on our show with time.
Speaker 1: We were always scrambling to get the last shot because
Speaker 1: you know, has happened so often in TV. A studio
Speaker 1: doesn't want to give you as much of a budget
Speaker 1: as you need to shoot your show, so you usually
Speaker 1: do like one too few days per episodes. So they
Speaker 1: also want you to make the biggest show, never the biggest.
Speaker 1: They'll give you a lot of money to rent airplane
Speaker 1: size fans, but not to produce the show. So interestingly,
Speaker 1: I I would imagine that was a very rushed thing,
Speaker 1: especially because they cross covered it like that was a
Speaker 1: rushed scene, but I think the fact that those kids
Speaker 1: didn't get long enough to really feel familiar with each
Speaker 1: other made the flashback also stick out and a really
Speaker 1: like what is this kind of way? That's sometimes where
Speaker 1: the definitely in the floor. Man, if we still like
Speaker 1: a stand by me flashback of Teeth and Danny doing
Speaker 1: something serious together, I would have loved that would have
Speaker 1: been a cool kind of a bottle episode. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, I never got that. It actually
Speaker 1: would be a cool um series, like a prequel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like how do we get here? Little Karen? Okay? Things
Speaker 1: to ponder, friends talk about the Ellie fent in the room?
Speaker 1: Oh many, Hillary, when you're like now, when you're a
Speaker 1: little kid, and you're like, I don't know, Like sometimes
Speaker 1: you I think maybe I'm adopted. I wonder who my
Speaker 1: real parents are. Like, my my best friend Nick swears
Speaker 1: to God Susan Sarandon is his real mother. You know,
Speaker 1: like like sometimes you just see people and you're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's who I belong to. There's just this thing
Speaker 1: with shir Lee that I still, twenty years out like
Speaker 1: cry over her, and it makes me feel like a
Speaker 1: total weirdo that I've got this like trauma bond to
Speaker 1: a person who didn't die. She didn't die, guys, She's
Speaker 1: still around. But you thought it was real. You guys
Speaker 1: had such beautiful work together, and your fondness for each
Speaker 1: other comes through, and it's so genuine, Like every scene
Speaker 1: with the two of you makes me cry. So then
Speaker 1: that scene, I was like, I gotta go, I have
Speaker 1: to I have to leave my own house right now.
Speaker 1: She played that so perfectly too. She was so gentle
Speaker 1: and genuine and um she wasn't even conflicted, And that's
Speaker 1: what I loved about it. There was she was sad,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't conflicted like am I making the wrong
Speaker 1: decision by leaving? Or um is Peyton going to be okay?
Speaker 1: Or she had just come to She had already had
Speaker 1: all those conversations with herself and she was just there
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. And it was very simple and to
Speaker 1: hold space for you to start asking all of those
Speaker 1: questions and go through all of that, and she just
Speaker 1: wanted to be that safe, stable place. UM. I loved that,
Speaker 1: and I love that they gave her the time and
Speaker 1: space too have those moments of struggle even in the end,
Speaker 1: just in the montage. Those moments, you know, were so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I like, I like that they trusted her as an
Speaker 1: actress to do that, and they trusted you, and they knew,
Speaker 1: they knew what you were capable of, and really gave you, guys, Um,
Speaker 1: just such high quality material and moments and and space.
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like. They just backed off. They
Speaker 1: meaning the director and the showrunner and everybody who's got
Speaker 1: their hands in the pot trying to make everything. Producers
Speaker 1: and everybody's trying to make everything something. And I felt
Speaker 1: the space that you guys experienced in those moments. It
Speaker 1: was such beautiful work and and so many small gestures
Speaker 1: carried so much weight because of the way that the
Speaker 1: two of you related to each other, like her saying,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go out and live, and you having
Speaker 1: this time in the rain and you were laughing so
Speaker 1: genuinely and and experiencing these big feelings. And then you
Speaker 1: come inside and she started brushing your hair. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the hair brushing. Don't y'all ever try to brush my
Speaker 1: hair because it is a sense memory that will destroy me. Um.
Speaker 1: I think when you're the oldest kid, you you your
Speaker 1: job becomes to help take care of younger siblings. And
Speaker 1: this is only something that I've figured out as an
Speaker 1: adult because I've got two kids of my own. The
Speaker 1: oldest kid stops being touched. There's like a touch thing,
Speaker 1: a comfort interesting. And so you see like your parents,
Speaker 1: like you know, trying to take care of everybody and
Speaker 1: like making sure everyone's fed and everyone's out there like
Speaker 1: school stuff and they're after school stuff, and there's a functionality,
Speaker 1: but the eldest kid doesn't get physically touched anymore because
Speaker 1: the baby always needs it more, especially in like families
Speaker 1: with big broods. And it's only in making friends with
Speaker 1: other people from like big families that I've been like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm such a weirdo. It's probably why I
Speaker 1: made out with literally everyone in high school because you're
Speaker 1: trying to it's like touch therapy where you're just like
Speaker 1: and anybody touching my hair. I mean, you know the
Speaker 1: connection I had to Jojo on the show. It is
Speaker 1: a very maternal thing to do that I've always been.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not embarrassed to admit I'm like super
Speaker 1: sensitive about it. So you're right, Cheryl Lee brushing my hair.
Speaker 1: I was like, who dreamed this ship up. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get through this scene. You guys saw my face.
Speaker 1: That wasn't acting. That was just me being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, someone's touching meching me, touching me. Know when
Speaker 1: you were leaning into her robe. At the end of
Speaker 1: that you and she said my daughter, and then you
Speaker 1: know you just have this same one to I heard
Speaker 1: that perfectly tall. Yeah, broke my heart. Well, she I
Speaker 1: was really really sad that we lost her, um, and
Speaker 1: you know, sad for Peyton, but also sad for myself
Speaker 1: because you know, we've gone on and on about how
Speaker 1: awesome she is. Um. But I do think that modeling
Speaker 1: grief for our audience is really important. And now, like
Speaker 1: watching this as an adult is so different. This is
Speaker 1: the first time I've seen this back since like it aired, right,
Speaker 1: how much what was our upset based in? But oh
Speaker 1: my god, Ellie so young? You know, like when we
Speaker 1: did this the first time, she was a grown up
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, grown up stairs. Sometimes she's
Speaker 1: younger than we were that we are, you know, And
Speaker 1: the idea that a young woman could die in this way,
Speaker 1: um is super traumatic. Like I mean what Cheryl was
Speaker 1: in her thirties when we shot this like she was
Speaker 1: so young, um, and so parents dying young is you know,
Speaker 1: that's a hard thing for kids to deal with, and
Speaker 1: if our show has been able to, I don't know,
Speaker 1: help kids navigate it. We had a lot of missing parents. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we had a lot of missing parents. Um.
Speaker 1: But Ellie's storyline was specifically for the teenager who had
Speaker 1: lost somebody and was like, Okay, how do I go
Speaker 1: to school on Monday after my parent died? I know.
Speaker 1: I love that we've got to model that and that
Speaker 1: you you did such a careful a job full of
Speaker 1: care is what I mean to say, in taking care
Speaker 1: of the hearts of those those teenagers and those kids
Speaker 1: that didn't know how to how to move forward. But
Speaker 1: they had they had Peyton, they had our show. They
Speaker 1: had these moments when they knew that they could just
Speaker 1: tune in and walk along that journey with somebody else.
Speaker 1: If they couldn't talk to their friends, if they didn't
Speaker 1: know how to get through it, being able to see
Speaker 1: that had to have made a massive difference. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you hear it all the time from people. I mean
Speaker 1: I've had people reach out just recently on d M
Speaker 1: and say like, you know, people I love are dying
Speaker 1: of breast cancer? Will you guys do like a follow
Speaker 1: up album? Ever to Friends with Benefit? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wish I had control over that. Yes, still on
Speaker 1: the internet, Like is that album exists? Still? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Are we going to Google this? Is this what our
Speaker 1: telephones are for? I mean, so listen, don't go to
Speaker 1: the same site. Dan. I just pulled up my my
Speaker 1: music uh site and Beyonce is up. I don't know. Listen,
Speaker 1: We're gonna need to change pace so I don't cry anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: have you all listen to the new Beyonce? Because repeat
Speaker 1: for days? Joy. It's so it's like it's the perfect
Speaker 1: palate cleanser for a cry baby episode like this one.
Speaker 1: You put on this this song Cuffett, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make terrible choices right now? Verry on
Speaker 1: brand with Ellie's messaging of go live a messy life,
Speaker 1: don't be scared of anything, It's just life. Listen to
Speaker 1: Beyonce make terrible choices? Yeah, I read Um, I read
Speaker 1: this article the other day. I can't remember if it's
Speaker 1: like on Vice or Vulture or something. And they were
Speaker 1: basically saying that, you know, Beyonce came out and made
Speaker 1: an anthem to like inject culture back into a society
Speaker 1: that's gone flat from pandemic exhaustion. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because every song on this album makes me want to
Speaker 1: be in the middle of like a warehouse in a
Speaker 1: sea of at least six hundred just like sweaty bodies
Speaker 1: in the dark, dancing like I want to go out
Speaker 1: like wre like we did when we were twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go where are we going? Where? The
Speaker 1: best part about Beyonce being exactly our age is that
Speaker 1: every phase of life we're in, she creates a soundtrack
Speaker 1: four and I'm like, girl, how did you know how
Speaker 1: that's what I was dealing with? God bless you? Oh man, Yeah, Joy,
Speaker 1: That's going to be the thing that makes us all
Speaker 1: feel better after this episode is just good good. She
Speaker 1: was right our contest winner, Amanda, Yes, right, because she
Speaker 1: was saying, you just have to wait, wait two more episodes,
Speaker 1: so this is the one she was talking about. I
Speaker 1: did personally like the last episode, but it was a
Speaker 1: clear winner maybe of the whole season for me. I
Speaker 1: loved this. I walked through every moment with this, I
Speaker 1: think the mouth and Rachel's stuff felt a little I was,
Speaker 1: it felt like they didn't have a lot to write,
Speaker 1: so they stretched it out a little bit more than
Speaker 1: necessary just for the sake of being able to cut
Speaker 1: back and forth. Um so, I because I left my
Speaker 1: self wondering, or it left me wondering, what's the point
Speaker 1: of this where we're getting But of course we finally
Speaker 1: got there. So I really loved that. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: loved this episode. I do too, and I like the
Speaker 1: broke asserted herself, like, I'm not getting hurt again. I like,
Speaker 1: explain to me, why me. I'm going to ask you
Speaker 1: pointed questions and I want a serious answer, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to let you flirt your way around this anymore.
Speaker 1: Like she was right too, by the way, you don't
Speaker 1: sign off the same way you signed off to an
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, especially after you're like, let's check in on her. No,
Speaker 1: we will not, we will not. I am Yeah. I
Speaker 1: loved I did, really love the way Stacy wrote those scenes.
Speaker 1: I thought it's seriously written all of it to let
Speaker 1: Brooke really express and get to the core of why
Speaker 1: she's having trust issues. Look, you betrayed me. I don't
Speaker 1: trust to you have to tell me more. It's not
Speaker 1: dissimilar to what Haley was saying to Nathan. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just have so many questions. I need to talk
Speaker 1: about it. You know, when you when you need to
Speaker 1: know more so that you can understand where you stand
Speaker 1: with someone well. And Peyton does that too, she says,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to you about the cancer. All
Speaker 1: three of us do that in this episode. Explain it
Speaker 1: to me like I'm a kindergartener. H Yeah, it's it
Speaker 1: was very well done, and oddly even comes back to
Speaker 1: the conversation about mouth and Rachel and kissing. It's about communication.
Speaker 1: You've got to communicate because the reality of being a
Speaker 1: human is that if you're not communicating with the people
Speaker 1: in your life, your brain is filling in all those
Speaker 1: gaps with whatever story serves your fear or your anxiety
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so it's so much better to talk
Speaker 1: about it. And yeah, I talking talking it out. King
Speaker 1: is so sexy, super sexy and dude that actually it's
Speaker 1: a perfect time to tell you, guys. I looked at
Speaker 1: our prep doc for this week and got so excited
Speaker 1: because one of our listener questions is from this girl, Emily,
Speaker 1: And she said, what do you think your character is?
Speaker 1: Love languages? And I'm like, are we all saying we're
Speaker 1: words of affirmation? Like we just need to talk? Is
Speaker 1: it true for all of us? You know? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Stacy is so good at this. And I didn't
Speaker 1: even think about this until just this moment, talking about
Speaker 1: like how how sexy and important it is like that
Speaker 1: all our characters got to ask questions and stuff and
Speaker 1: have hard conversations. My girlfriend came over for dinner last
Speaker 1: night and was like, oh my god, there's this TV show.
Speaker 1: My husband can't watch this show with me, and I'm
Speaker 1: so hot for it, and like the dialogue is so good.
Speaker 1: And she was talking about sex Life Stacy Show and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh funny. Yes, I was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know her. She said, how do you owe her? Now?
Speaker 1: I can tell her. She wrote one of our favorite
Speaker 1: episodes ever. Amazing. She knows what women want. Yeah, I Stacy,
Speaker 1: come say hi to us sometimes. Yeah, we're like the
Speaker 1: Stacy fan club over here. What are our listener questions
Speaker 1: this week? Yeah? Well I mean in infirmation? Yeah, Jack's service,
Speaker 1: What do we my love language Payton's is probably touched too.
Speaker 1: If her mom has been dead for years and her
Speaker 1: dad doesn't touch her, like touch is going to be
Speaker 1: like a sensitive subject for her. Um. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say maybe acts of service for Peyton too, because there's
Speaker 1: not she's doing everything herself that when people do things
Speaker 1: to help her, how do you how does she feel
Speaker 1: about that? Is it like let me alone, let me
Speaker 1: do things myself, or well you clearly see her fall
Speaker 1: for Lucas later because he comes into her kitchen wants
Speaker 1: and sweeps things up, and like he helps her do things,
Speaker 1: and Jake never does that, you know, like none of
Speaker 1: the other boys that she dates does that. It's like
Speaker 1: Lucas is the person that shows up and does manual
Speaker 1: labor at her house, and she's like, think this is cute, cool,
Speaker 1: It's right. What's what's Brooks? I mean, definitely words of
Speaker 1: affirmation for her, I think, especially because she comes from
Speaker 1: a family where her parents don't talk to her about anything.
Speaker 1: Um And yeah, I would likewise say acts of service.
Speaker 1: It can be hard for her to receive help. That's
Speaker 1: something that's an arena in which we're certainly similar. So
Speaker 1: when people do it, because I refuse to ask for it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's earth shifting. It's so meaningful to me,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something we have in common. It
Speaker 1: also took me years to realize, Um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a magpie. I like to collect and nest.
Speaker 1: And that so fair because we could have told you
Speaker 1: as your friends, you know what I have to say,
Speaker 1: like and like I'll be vulnerable here. Like as a
Speaker 1: younger person, when people started talking about love languages and
Speaker 1: people were like gift giving, I was like, how shallow
Speaker 1: gift giving annoying? And and then I started to realize, like,
Speaker 1: oh no, gift giving is such a love language to me,
Speaker 1: Like I love nothing more than being out in the
Speaker 1: world and seeing something and going that's Hillary Joy would
Speaker 1: love that, and collecting little things and like I realized
Speaker 1: I'm not even a person who saves things for people's birthdays.
Speaker 1: Like you both know this. You'll just get a package
Speaker 1: from me because I get excited. I'm like, I collected
Speaker 1: all these little things for you and I want you
Speaker 1: to have them. And yeah, and I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: a squirrel, like I just I just grab them and
Speaker 1: then I bury. Then Joyle send you like a box
Speaker 1: full of citrus, those citrus Joy would send me from
Speaker 1: California so I could make things here the farm. I
Speaker 1: would be like, it's gold in a box. Yeah, giving
Speaker 1: this treasure hunting for you. Let me tell you if
Speaker 1: you actually received something from me in the mail. I
Speaker 1: love you because I can not get to the post
Speaker 1: office for my life, not to save my life. It's
Speaker 1: so hard for me. I don't know why. And I
Speaker 1: do the same things. So if I like to buy
Speaker 1: things that remind me of people, but then they sit
Speaker 1: on a debt like I, I'll even put them in
Speaker 1: the box. I get them ready to go, and then
Speaker 1: you know, the box ends up at the bottom of
Speaker 1: a pile. And then it's a year later and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's what's in here? Oh? Yeah, you weren't changed my
Speaker 1: life because I've done that for years. You and hurt
Speaker 1: the same. I finally signed up. I have a FedEx
Speaker 1: account and I have a UPS account I have and
Speaker 1: I go online and I log in and I print
Speaker 1: a label and I schedule to pick up. I can't
Speaker 1: be it takes a few minutes. I hadn't I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the inside of any post office that isn't like
Speaker 1: a cute post office from the fifties and a little
Speaker 1: town where I'm got to go in there and buy
Speaker 1: some stamps like that is like a community service project
Speaker 1: to me. But do you think I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: the post office in l A. Absolutely never. So it's
Speaker 1: only since I finally was like, I'm an adult, I've
Speaker 1: managed to pay my mortgage for a long time. I
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to get the mail out
Speaker 1: of this house and that that's it. Like that's where
Speaker 1: the internet has been helpful to me. But if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for that, you never would have gotten your tumblers
Speaker 1: and Hillary never would have gotten the mug with her
Speaker 1: initials on it. Joy, We're just gonna find you like
Speaker 1: a brawny mailman that has to come by once a
Speaker 1: week and pick up your packages. Or I just need
Speaker 1: like a scale where like I need what the post
Speaker 1: office has where it's a scale and then there's a
Speaker 1: keep at on it and then I punch in the
Speaker 1: address and the weight, and then the scale prints the
Speaker 1: label for me and then I just stick it on
Speaker 1: the box that I could do. It's the getting online
Speaker 1: part that is. It's just an endless abyss of pain.
Speaker 1: Maybe if Dan Scott you can find If Dan Scott
Speaker 1: can find that that little box the Keith had in
Speaker 1: two thousand five, we can find you a scale machine.
Speaker 1: We're going to find you the scale print out machine.
Speaker 1: I believe in the power of our audience. Wait, so
Speaker 1: we what's Haley's love language? Did you say? I think
Speaker 1: she's acts of service and probably words of affirmation. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she has words of affirmation because
Speaker 1: Haley does seem to call bullshit on a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and she's very likely Yeah, yeah, you say it, but
Speaker 1: show me, show me, show me. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's acts of service, and what are what are
Speaker 1: the other ones? Gifts, gift giving, acts of service, physical touch, um,
Speaker 1: words of affirmation, quality time, quality time. That's right, it's
Speaker 1: quality time for her for sure. Yeah. I think that
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. And then we have Danielle who says,
Speaker 1: how different would the show have been if Dan and
Speaker 1: Deb had another child once they were older and more established.
Speaker 1: So if Nathan had a little brother, do you think
Speaker 1: there would be a different dynamic or drama if Nathan
Speaker 1: had a kid's sister or brother. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: ever thought about that. That's interesting, hm, I mean it
Speaker 1: kind of would have been a distraction. I don't know
Speaker 1: the deb would have been willing to haven't like she
Speaker 1: stuck around that another kid, Dan Blesser, But I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: sometimes it can take the heat off of well it's
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it can either take the heat
Speaker 1: off of the first kid, or then you could just
Speaker 1: pit the kids against each other and it becomes, uh,
Speaker 1: daddy loves you more, Mommy loves you more. Kind of situation.
Speaker 1: Did it with Nathan and Lucas And they didn't even
Speaker 1: grow up in the same house together, but we went
Speaker 1: through that whole dynamic where he moved to Lucas in
Speaker 1: And I definitely think he would be the kind of
Speaker 1: parent who'd put the kids against each other. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if you know, do you think having a do
Speaker 1: you think having a daughter would have been? You would
Speaker 1: have been trumpy with her. It would have been weird,
Speaker 1: Like I can't even say it. I know exactly the
Speaker 1: photo you're picturing right now, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: It would have been gross. Yeah, Dan Scott would have
Speaker 1: been the man who said, is it wrong for me
Speaker 1: to want to date my daughter. You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: bar this right. He picked up Haley's brat outside of
Speaker 1: the shower where Pet was. I really think Deb knew.
Speaker 1: She knew he was a terrible parent. She saw the
Speaker 1: way that Dan was willing, Like the deep misogyny that
Speaker 1: you have to be capable of to literally get two
Speaker 1: girls pregnant at the same time and watch them both Hell,
Speaker 1: your kids is pretty gnarly. And and I think Deb
Speaker 1: would have observed the dynamic Dan had with Keith, which
Speaker 1: was so cruel, and said either way we would lose,
Speaker 1: Like no, yeah, but I will say, as you know,
Speaker 1: as an only in my life, Yeah, man, like being
Speaker 1: the only one. It's it's a lot of pressure. Um
Speaker 1: and my parents are pretty great, They're not like Dan
Speaker 1: and Deb, but it is a lot of pressure. There's
Speaker 1: no one else to um pull focus. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of expectation, attention, you know, there's a lot you
Speaker 1: have to kind of live up to. But I would
Speaker 1: if I put myself in Deb's shoes, I think she
Speaker 1: she likely would have said, I'd rather focus on one
Speaker 1: than run the risk of either of these dynamics. I've
Speaker 1: seen On have in his life that have been so toxic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably secretly got our tubes tied or something, right, don't
Speaker 1: tell anybody. Oh, guys, thanks for walking through this wild
Speaker 1: hurricane of an episode with us. We hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Let's been a will most likely to okay, most likely
Speaker 1: to have the messiest trailer on set. So I guess
Speaker 1: we're not doing character options. Uh, this is this one's
Speaker 1: gonna burn, guys. I mean I feel like I was
Speaker 1: gonna say it's either you or me. It's definitely you
Speaker 1: two because my trailer, No you don't. I do a
Speaker 1: full move in. Yeah, Sophia, you had haying artwork. When
Speaker 1: we came to visit you in Toronto. You had like
Speaker 1: dishes and things in your trailer like you had moved in,
Speaker 1: like it was an apartment. I loved it. Oh, because
Speaker 1: all that's single you on set makes me so crazy.
Speaker 1: I do I bring like camping gear? Yeah, I bring
Speaker 1: lamps because the lights in there are terrible. Joy brings
Speaker 1: plants and crafts like ways. It's a fault, but I
Speaker 1: think that's I was inspired. I remember walking into your
Speaker 1: trailer and seeing all of your apartment in your trailer,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, we could do this.
Speaker 1: This is an option. And so the difference though, is
Speaker 1: that you're capable of keeping it all organized and putting
Speaker 1: everything back. I didn't know that. I wasn't really capable
Speaker 1: of that until I brought it all in and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it feels like a bomb went
Speaker 1: off every day. Maybe maybe I need to take baby steps.
Speaker 1: I thought it was whimsical. I appreciated it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were also like painting in your trailer. I'd come in
Speaker 1: and there'd be like water colors out. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you amazing? Yeah? Hello, and craps and sewing
Speaker 1: and all kinds of all kinds of fun stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep your brain busy, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's a lot of sitting around. So I
Speaker 1: love it. Alright, guys, well that hit too close to home.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, everybody, We'll see it. We'll see you
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