1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: How's it going. This is Jason Kelcey and welcome to 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: the Philly Show. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Ruber Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky It's a 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Philly Show. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: We are coming to you live following Wednesday's game in Clearwater, Florida. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: So good to see you guys in person. We're so 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: close together, it's like abnormally close together. We're brethren, Yes, 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: we're brethren. We have a lot to talk about, and 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: I want to jump right into it. Not too many 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: battles guys this spring, but Brad Keller started today's game. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: He's the setup guy, and a lot of guys that 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: could be competing for one of these final two bullpen 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: jobs followed today, and I want to ask you guys, 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: right off the bat, Brad Keller look pretty good. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: He certainly did. 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: He had one two three first inning he started the game, 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 4: which interestingly enough, he won't be starting this year right 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: handed setup man, but he had been a starter. And 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 4: afterward talking, he told about how he went to camp 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: with the Chicago Cubs last year on a minor league 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: deal as a starting pitcher, thinking he was going to 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: go to Triple A Iowa and just see what happens, 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: and shortly before opening day they said to him, what 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: do you think about going to the bullpen. 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: He said, let's give it a shot. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 4: And sixty eight appearance is in a two point oho 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 4: seventy ra later, he has a two year, twenty two 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 4: million dollar contract with the Phillies and he's going to 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 4: be setting up for Johandoran. I thought he looked good 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: today first time out in ninety seven on the gun. 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: He'll go to the World Baseball Class. He just wanted 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: to be healthy because they didn't do a lot this winter. 33 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: But I think that's a significant acquisition. 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: Really big one. 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 5: And we had a chance to talk to him during 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: the broadcast today and it was it was cool. He's 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: he seems like a real He's got very very level headed. 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: I know he's gotten come. He's had to come a 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 5: long way to get to this point. I mean he's 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: played on a variety of different teams, he's had different roles. 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 5: He started. He's relieved, and he did tell that story 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 5: on the air today about how he they got to Japan. 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 5: They said, well, listen, we got too many starters, but 44 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: we do need some bullpen help. Would you consider going 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 5: to the bullpen. He was like, hey, let's do it. 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 5: And he put himself in a position to make a 47 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 5: boatload of money because he pitched his rear end off 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 5: and put himself in a position to have the Phillies. 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: Come knocking on his door. 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 5: And they knocked it down and it was a big 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 5: one for him to sign him for a two year 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: deal eleven million dollars a year, and hopefully he can 53 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 5: help lock things down for Rob Thompson in the eighth 54 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 5: inning and for Juan Duran when he takes the baseball 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: a couple of. 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: You know, Keller is a very likable guy. Yeah, just 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: talking to him, He's got like a Chad Durban vibe 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 2: to him, you know, yeah, a super approachable, super. 59 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: Down to earth. 60 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: So remember earlier in camp, Zach Wheeler made all these 61 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: headlines because he kept his rib as a souvenir. Well, 62 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: Keller had the same surgery a few years ago. He 63 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: was sounded disappointed though. I asked him, I said, do 64 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: you have your rib? He's like, no, actually I still 65 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: have my rib. 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: He doesn't. I didn't take it out. 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: They they did like something with his nerves and and 68 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: something with his shoulder, and and they cleaned this up 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: and clean that up, so he still has his rib. 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: But then he told me a couple of great stories 71 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: of some of his former teammates that kept their ribs, 72 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: including one that I think it was something Carns. I 73 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: remember his name now, and he actually in a game 74 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: pitched with his rib in his back pocket. He said 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: he had the rib, went up to the food room, 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: wrapped it in a couple of napkins, and put it 77 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: in his back pocket, and uh and pitched with it. 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: In fact, you know what I'm gonna say, if I 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: can pull up this guy's name now, if I can 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: find it, but uh and and the reason why he 81 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: did it, I can't find it. The reason why he 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: did it was because he said he every time he 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: wanted to pitch, he wanted to feel like he was 84 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: one hundred percent out there where I got a story 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: left handed, This is a real story, was down and lefty. 86 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: Gosh, I gotta remember that. 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: I gotta remember his name. But yeah, that's hilarious. But 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: just a great, very personal guy, all right, I get now. 89 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: I hate to do this. 90 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: It's very hackey, but I gotta find this guy's name. 91 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: Entertain that entertain entertained the folks here, well anyway, I 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: can't find it, but very very funny. But it's also 93 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 2: like it's also a little bit of a Nate carn 94 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: Nate Carns, big league pitcher, Nate Carnes. 95 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: There we go. 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 5: I think it's you know, just the fact that this 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 5: guy has come back from a t S and has 98 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: pitched the way he has since. 99 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: He's had it. 100 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 5: Is actually like a really great endorsement for the possibility 101 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 5: of what can happen with Wheeler because you know, some 102 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 5: you know, Merrill Kelly came back and pitched very well 103 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 5: effectively with it, but. 104 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: Not a ton of guys do. 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 5: And you just hope that, you know, it's sort of 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 5: a precursor to what we'll we'll see at a Wheeler 107 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 5: over the next couple of months once he gets back 108 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 5: onto a major league mound again. So this guy fired 109 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: at ninety seven, really tight, got four or five different pitches. 110 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 5: Doesn't look like there's you know, any ill effects from him, 111 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 5: you know, coming back from that from that surgery years ago. 112 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he throws a sinker in a four steamer. 113 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 4: So I mean, he's got the mentality that when he 114 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: needs a big out, he can get a ground ball 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 4: with a sinker, or he can power you and try 116 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: to get a strikeout. 117 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: And he also throws this a sweeper. 118 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: But your point about Wheeler, I mean their lockers are 119 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: probably what seven or eight apart right to have it 120 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: look down, to look down the lockers and see a 121 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: guy who came back from it and has just gotten 122 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: better has to be a confidence builder for Zach Wheeler. 123 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: Not that I think he needs a needs confidence. I 124 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: think he's pretty confident he's going to get back. Everybody's 125 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 4: the reports are really good. Having that, you know, guy, 126 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: you can actually look across the room at that went 127 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 4: through it. 128 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: It is probably a good thing you got two bullpen 129 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: jobs available. A lot of those guys pitch today that 130 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: could be candidates for that job. Zach mccamberley Rule five 131 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: draft pick Kyle Bachus, the side arming lefty who they 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: like a lot. 133 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: Zach Popp, who is signed to a major league deal. 134 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: He's the only one of those relievers on the forty 135 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: man roster without options. So that you know, as you know, 136 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: if you have options, you're out options. 137 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: That kind of that could have hurt you. I could 138 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: help you, I could hurt you. 139 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 5: Sometimes it's a curse if you have options as the player. 140 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 5: But you know, it's great to see some of these guys. 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: The thing that I liked the most about what I 142 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: saw to in today's game was that they were firing 143 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 5: strikes and they were efficient. And I talked about it 144 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 5: in the broadcast today about how Philly is different from 145 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 5: maybe some other organizations that care more about execution than 146 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 5: you do about than they do necessary early about spin 147 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 5: rate and velocity, and I think that that's you know, 148 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 5: you talked about it off air about Richards about wanting 149 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: to get to a place where he felt like he 150 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 5: can really improve himself as a pitcher, and I think 151 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: that this is, you know, Philadelphia is one of those 152 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 5: places that some of these guys think that they can. 153 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so trivor Richards, I was asking him because he's 154 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: if he makes the Phillies at some point, this would 155 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: be his eighth big league team, And I said, like, 156 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: did you sign with the Phillies because you saw an opportunity? 157 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Like you know, a lot of guys will look at 158 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: the roster and I'm gonna, yeah. 159 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: Let's go to this at a week. 160 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can make I can make this team at 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: some point by May or whatever, and he said, no, 162 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: the exact opposite. He said, he did that last year 163 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: with the Cubs. He was in camp last season with 164 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: last spring with Brad Keller. I signed with the Cubs 165 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: last year because I thought I had an opportunity and 166 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: never materialized. So he's like, this speaks to the Phillies. 167 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, he said he chose the Phillies because 168 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: he's heard so many good things from so many people 169 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: over the past few years about how the Phillies work 170 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: and develop and improve pictures that he would rather go 171 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: to an organization than can maybe make him a little 172 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: bit better. So you know, as you guys know, if 173 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: a guy doesn't make the team as a non roster guy, 174 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: maybe there's out in the contract he signed somewhere else. 175 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: He puts himself in a position to pitch with another team, 176 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: and that was Trevor Richards. 177 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: So I thought that was kind of interesting. 178 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: You know, as a non roster guy, the roads are 179 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: a lot longer to make the squad, but you know, 180 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: he sees an opportunity in that sense, maybe the Phillies 181 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: can make him better. 182 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 5: The one thing I will say about non roster players 183 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: for a team that is basically set in some ways 184 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: and expected to win. It's actually a good thing for 185 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 5: some of them because they're going to be more apt 186 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 5: to go to a veteran guy who's been there and 187 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: done it then to go to a young player who 188 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 5: has not really been there and done it. As far 189 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 5: as pitching is concerned, I know that if I was 190 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 5: a GM, if I was Dave Dombrowski, and I had 191 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 5: a choice between a kid that and that person was 192 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 5: going to play some sort of role in my bullpen, 193 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 5: I would go with the guy that is one that 194 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 5: has been there and done it, and two the guy's 195 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 5: been the most effective. And if he makes an impression 196 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 5: in spring training and he's executing pitches and doing things 197 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 5: that that leaves the mark in a lot of these guys' minds. 198 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 5: Whether it's Caleb Cotham or Rob Thompson or Dave Dombrowski 199 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 5: or all three of them, you know, I'd rather go 200 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: with the veteran guy. I always talk to Pat Gillick 201 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 5: about this, Go young in your rotation and veteran in 202 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 5: your in your bullpen, because that's when you have to 203 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: make pitches, and that's when you have to have a 204 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 5: really steady ice. Ice in your veins. 205 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: That's a great point. 206 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're if you're a veteran guy, non roster, 207 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 4: do you go for a team that's gonna finish in 208 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: fourth or fifth place because you think there might be 209 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: an opening, or sign with a contender, go to Triple 210 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: A when they have a need, they would opt for 211 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: a veteran and you can help them. Phillies have a 212 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: number of those guys make Tim Maz's ear, Louke Trevino 213 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: is here, and there's you know, I think this is 214 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: like you said. 215 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: There's two spots left. 216 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: Two spots left. 217 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: I counted like twelve guys. 218 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: You have a legitimate shot at those twelve jobs, at 219 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: those two jobs. 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Can you 268 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: get me in? You know everybody. 269 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see how it goes. Alex Bahum had another 270 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: nice game today. 271 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: And that play he made it was it was delicious. 272 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: It was delicious, I have to say this. And I 273 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: had really a quick talk with him. Whether it was 274 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 275 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 6: If it was this morning yesterday yesterday where I had 276 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 6: an opportunity to talk to him because I was watching 277 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: him work at third base, uh in the half field, 278 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: as we see so often with Bobby Dickerson and. 279 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: I I wanted to make a point to tell him. 280 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 5: I just feel like he's made so many he strides defensively. 281 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 5: This is a guy that three years ago or four 282 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: years ago, I didn't think was going to be able 283 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 5: to play third base or stay at third base, let 284 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 5: alone be a third basement for a championship caliber team. Well, 285 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 5: this man has made himself a very solid third baseman 286 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 5: for a person who's very tall. He's not super super 287 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: athletic as far as his as far as his lateral 288 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: quickness and stuff, but he's put himself in a position 289 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 5: to be a good, solid quality third baseman. I wanted 290 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: to make a point to talk to about it. 291 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: He's he is. 292 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 5: And I watched the workout with Bobby Diggerson, and it 293 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 5: looks like he's trying to do something a little bit 294 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 5: better every single year. In this particular instance, he was 295 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 5: working on like his certain feeds without necessarily moving his 296 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 5: feet and doing it in one fluid motion, something he 297 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 5: hasn't done in his career, but it's something that he 298 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: wants to do. He thinks he's going to be a 299 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: more efficient path to get the ball to the second 300 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 5: basement in double play. Situations. Well, he gets a bullet today, 301 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 5: turns spins, throws a perfect strike to Auto camp Outo Kemp, 302 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 5: secure as the baseball makes the turn. Wasn't pretty on 303 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 5: Auto Kemp's side. He's not super smooth, but he gets 304 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: the job done too. So really nice to see out 305 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 5: Boom playing as well as he has. And he's swinging 306 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 5: the bat well right now. 307 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: And you mentioned sort of his desire to work on 308 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: something new every year and get better. Yesterday, Tuesday, Johan 309 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: Duran is throwing his first live and he's you know, 310 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: ninety eight, and imagine having to face that, you know 311 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: early in camp. Well, Boom was the only regular out 312 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: there who faced Johanduran, and he welcomed it and embraced 313 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: the opportunity because I talked him afterward and he said, you know, 314 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: I want to I want to measure myself against I 315 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: want to face a guy who is, you know, the 316 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 4: guy that gets the final three outs of the game. 317 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: I want to face this guy early. I want to 318 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: see where I am. And he, you know, welcomed that 319 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: opportunity and he he rifled one off the top of 320 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 4: the I feel wall against Duran and live VP. And 321 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: today Wednesday, two RBI singles. The other day he had 322 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: a double two right center. He's swinging pretty good. 323 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Even Rob Thompson mentioned that after Wednesday's game. 324 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: He says, a little bigger, maybe a little stronger. I mean, 325 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: he looks the same to me. He's always I always 326 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: felt like he looked pretty. He's pretty built. 327 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: Hey, if there's a year you want to come in 328 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: the focused, it's Payday year. 329 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: I mean, and. 330 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: He's I've talked to him a few times and he 331 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: seems to have a great mindset right now about everything, right, 332 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: I mean, just talking to me, he you know, he 333 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: talking about to him about being the cleanup hitter. 334 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: He's like, I know I'm not the prototypical leadoff hitter. 335 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: But I think I think a lot of people in 336 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: this camp are really pulling for him to have a 337 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: big year because. 338 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: He kind of gets dumped on a lot for being honest. 339 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, he was a guy who was 340 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 5: going to get traded twice twice, going to get traded, 341 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 5: and he was Bobushit was going to be the guy. 342 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 5: And yes, Boba shit would have been a great addition 343 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 5: to this team. But Alcolm's a good baseball player and 344 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 5: he's a. He's a very good, solid hitter. Does he 345 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 5: hit enough home runs for our liking or for the 346 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 5: fans liking? Maybe not, But you know, listen, it's not 347 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 5: his fault that he is having to hit in the 348 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 5: four role. I mean, he's probably a five or six 349 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 5: hold hitter. 350 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: But that's fine. 351 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 5: I mean, he still he still drove in ninety seven 352 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 5: runs two years in a row, and there's not that 353 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 5: many people driving in that many runs anymore in the 354 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 5: major leagues. And that's what run production is all about. 355 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 5: Tough to your last year was was hurt for part 356 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 5: of the year and and battling some things. But it's 357 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 5: really important for him to have a strong year this year. 358 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: Does the Phillies need him? 359 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 360 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: He said, like, you know, I could hit maybe thirty 361 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: thirty five home runs, but what would I be sacrificing? 362 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: So I said, how's twenty twenty five home runs and 363 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: like forty five doubles? 364 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: Son, He's like, that sounds pretty good. I would I 365 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: could do that. Yeah, I think he could do that. 366 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the rob announced the rotation 367 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: through the end of the week and you know spring 368 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: training rotation early in camp. 369 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, not that big of a deal, but some interesting 370 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: ones here. 371 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker starting Thursday, Aaron Nola starting Friday, Christopher Sanchez 372 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: Saturday against the Blue Jays in Dunedin, and then Andrew 373 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: Painter on Saturday Sunday. I'm sorry Sunday, Sunday Sunday again 374 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: for Sunday against the New York Yankees. That conjures memories, 375 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: memories of spring training whatever. 376 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: It was. 377 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: Four Yeah, Cole Hamble's when he made his debut across 378 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: the Causeway. 379 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: You didn't make that trip, did Jim. Jim didn't make well. 380 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 4: Todd and I were teammates at the Inquirer then, and 381 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: that eleven mile drive. 382 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: Was too far from me. So I said, you go 383 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: to that, Jim. 384 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: Jim said, I remember him going surprising Jim. Jim was doing. 385 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: Jim was doing one of these little chin stroke take 386 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: back peace he was. He told me, he's like, I 387 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 3: don't I only put on the home white. Zo hit 388 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: the road salty. 389 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 4: So Cole Hamill strikes out eater A Rod and Tony Clark, Yes, 390 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 4: changed upson coming out of the bullpen. Kid had never 391 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: pitched above a ball and I missed it. But you 392 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: saw you were a great story Rubiny probably were. 393 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: There, Yes, I was. What was your recollection? 394 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 5: What was my recollection is that I was very excited 395 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 5: about watching him do what he did, but not all 396 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 5: that surprise, just because he's one of those guys that's 397 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: always been pretty poised. He's never really got real rattled 398 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 5: on the mound. And and uh, and I see that 399 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 5: out of Andrew Painter. I see that same sort of demeanor. 400 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 5: There's a quiet confidence and athleticism. He's right handed, a 401 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 5: little different, but he's every bit is tall, if not taller, 402 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 5: because he's what sixty seven or sixt eight, but he's 403 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 5: got great athleticism. I like his presence on the mound. 404 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 5: He doesn't look like he gets rattled. Maybe he gets 405 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 5: a little, you know, pissed off at himself when he 406 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 5: doesn't when he doesn't perform. But but I like the 407 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 5: fact that they're throwing him right into the fire. 408 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: Why not. 409 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: And it's gonna be on, you know, it's to be televised, 410 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: so if you're not down here, you can tune into that. 411 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 4: I think it's just gonna be kind of exciting. I 412 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: know it's practice, it's spring training, but sometimes you know, 413 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 4: it's a it's a great story in spring training. 414 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, I feel like I'm saying about 415 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, but just conversations with him, 416 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: just he's a fun guy to talk to. 417 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: He's very mature. He doesn't seem to be rattled by talking, 418 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: you know, like some guys are. 419 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 4: It's funny you talk to him, you talk to aight 420 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: and Millier, you talk to Justin Crawford, and then you 421 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 4: go look at the media guy and you're like, he's 422 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: twenty two. He's twenty two, he's twenty one. You're like, 423 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: these guys are very polished, very mature, very mature, very polished, 424 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: and uh, very very likable and easy to want to 425 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 4: root for. 426 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 5: And hopefully though the fans will get a chance to reform. 427 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: Real So, speaking of Crawford Wednesday today, that was a 428 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: great catch against the center field wall. 429 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: That was a great catch. 430 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, really good read, and it's one of the things 431 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 5: that I've been really keying on it how he's handling it. 432 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 5: And he's had two great reads, one going in and 433 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: one coming back. The one going in was over in Dunedin, 434 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 5: made a heck of a play in TD Park a 435 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 5: couple of days ago. Nice read on a low line drive, 436 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: broke right in on it, and then he broke very 437 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: very well and an excellent angle on the ball and 438 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: right center field. On a tough sun and win day, 439 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 5: he had to work through the sun and had a 440 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 5: great direct line to the ball, secured the baseball in 441 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 5: the gap as he was crashing into the fence, I think. 442 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 5: And so it's nice to see him have early solid 443 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 5: returns in center field because he's gonna have to play 444 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 5: a good solid center field, especially if he's not swinging 445 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 5: the bat well in the early part of the season. 446 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 5: You've got to make sure that he's securing the baseballs 447 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 5: that he's supposed to secure in center field. 448 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: All right, guys, that was fun Philly Show. 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