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Speaker 1: What's the first thing that crossed your mind when you

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Speaker 1: he immediately started thinking about the role the tech industry

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Speaker 1: Before Trump gave his victory speech, Bobby was writing up

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Speaker 1: Highly partisan news outlets their fuel, he said, with social

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Speaker 1: media and especially Facebook, he said, quote sadly, news feed

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Speaker 1: up call. Bobby's post was notable because he used to

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Speaker 1: followed on Bobby's Facebook wall, publicly viewable, featured a lot

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Speaker 1: Bosworth wrote, news feed isn't perfect, but it is at

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Speaker 1: Hi am Aki Ito, and I'm Sarah Fryer. And now,

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Speaker 1: after the biggest electoral set in recent history, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be doing some soul searching with the tech industry. And

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Speaker 1: the question we're asking today is this, do the tech

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Speaker 1: companies that guide our news diet, so this is Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: lot more seriously. Specifically, people are talking about two things.

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Speaker 1: One is the fake news stories that may have helped

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Speaker 1: The second point has to do with the way that

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Speaker 1: what to fight for. So Sarah, let's set the scene here.

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Speaker 1: This is the first election where the majority of people

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Speaker 1: And these are campaigns, especially Donald Trump's, that would run

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Speaker 1: BuzzFeed actually ran this analysis of election stories on Facebook

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