1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Something strange is going on. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Who is killing Russian billionaires? Another Russian oligarch has been 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: found dead. Reports suggests that he hanged himself, fell out 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: of a window. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Slashed his wrists, was poisoned, murdered his whole family. Last year, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in the space 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: of nine months. Many of the debts are suspicious with 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach, an investigation 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created by me 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad Oligach is 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: a h eleven production for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio. This 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: is the final part of the curious case of Dan Rappoport. 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: He was pretending to be a Pentagon analyst, which worked 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: for the circles he was trying to infle. But on 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: the flip side, it allowed Russia to quote a Pentagon 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: analyst that was borderline threatening them with this rhetoric. The 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: Russian Ministry of Defense media outlet TV Zavezda published an 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: article titled Pentagon plans to obliterate Russian Federation in twenty 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: days and let NATO govern it. To be fair, they 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: did say that it was unknown whether dubog was legit 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: or not, but the damage was done. With the headline 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: another article in Russia's state news service Aria Navosti asked 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the question is the US preparing a new Operation Barbarossa 24 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: against Russia? Operation Barbarossa being the invasion of the Soviet 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Union by Nazi Germany. The article was viewed half a 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: million times. Duberg's message was spreading across Russia already, though 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: pro Kremlin journalists were saying that Duwberg was a fake, 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: there is no doubt that Putin himself would have been 29 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: made aware of David Duberg at this time, and therefore 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: I think Dan Rappaport an old fox emerges. At this point, 31 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: various bloggers and rioters across the world began to attack 32 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: drew Berg, correctly calling out his fraud. In turn, Drew 33 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Burg slash Rappaport did various corny things to try and 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: prove his legitimacy. This included posting a photo of his 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: laptop with the Dwberg Facebook page open on the screen, 36 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: with a block four five pistol with two loaded magazines 37 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: sat there on the keyboard in front of him. Duburg 38 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: also apparently emailed the blogger saying quote, you better be 39 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder. I will find you now. After 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: all of this, how do we know David Duberg was 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: actually done? Rappaport, Well, journalist Alexi Cuzamenko is extremely good 42 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: at what he does. He laid it all out perfectly 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: in his article for Bellingcat with all the receipts to boot. 44 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: Dan Rappaport, on his real profile as himself was posting 45 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: photos of David Duberg. Remember, the image of dw Berg 46 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: was just his Texan mate Steve Ferrow, but publicly Rappaport 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: claimed it was dw Burg and said that they knew 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: each other, not him and feroh, him and du Burg. 49 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: He was shaking his own hand. Dan Rapperport, whilst in 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: one of his many Facebook arguments about Russia's technical capabilities, 51 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: threaten someone saying that David Duberg would write a letter 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: from the Pentagon to his employer real bully boy shit, 53 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Rapperport wrote, quote, David Duberg will write a letter from 54 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Pentagon to textra on Monday, America police. Is the world 55 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: better worse than trying or Russia? Ends quote Rappaport did 56 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: this a lot. To be honest, he seemed like a 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: bit of a maniac. At times. He text an email 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: people he didn't agree with, essentially threatening to set Drew 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Berg on them. I am David's all lack of self discipline. Eventually, 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Rappaport would even place himself as a conduit to Duberg. 61 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: A former Russian politician and putin opposition figure named Ilya 62 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Ponomarev said that Rappaport was open about having a work 63 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: in relationship with David Duberg and that he put him 64 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: in touch with him. Ponomarev also openly endorsed du Burg, 65 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: which boosted his profile massively in the Russian dissident scene. 66 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Regularly friends of Rappaport were friends of Duburg. One Russian 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: expert even confirmed that Duburg was Rappaport Schuzumenko writes quote. 68 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: In June twenty seventeen, Dubog posted a link to a 69 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: Voice of America Russian Service interview with well known American 70 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Russian expert David Satter, adding a comment that Sata was 71 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: his personal friend. Sata was also listed as Dan Rappaport's 72 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: friend on Facebook almost a year prior In September twenty sixteen, 73 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: du Berg made a Facebook post about a presentation of 74 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: SA book at a Washington bookstore, also calling Sata a 75 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: personal friend. David Satter himself liked the post on Facebook. 76 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: When Satur was asked via email if Rappaport was in 77 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: fact David Duberg, Sata confirmed, I am aware that David 78 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: Duberg is a non de plume for Dan Rapperport. Dan 79 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: is a friend of mine and I have no objections 80 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: to him reprinting the article with the va Ends quote. 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: But it seems Dan Rappaport didn't act alone. 82 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: I didn't create some loser alter. You've got to make 83 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: myself feel better. 84 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: The first rule of David Dubog club is that you 85 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: don't talk about David Duwburgh club. Problem is they all did. 86 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: A pattern clearly emerges when looking at the various social 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: media interactions between Drew Berg, Rapperport, and the many people 88 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: who boosted the jew Burg fraud. These people would also 89 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: post on Duwberg's Facebook timeline or to related Facebook groups, 90 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: explaining his temporary absences, such as when he was temporarily 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: banned from the social network, and tracing these individuals. They 92 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: all had someone in common. Dan Rappaport, one of these 93 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: people in David Duwberg Club is very curious. Active duty 94 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: US Navy Lieutenant Commander Ben Anderson. Anderson said he was 95 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: a personal friend of Dan Rappaport's. On January twenty fifth, 96 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he wrote on the David Duberg profile saying, quote, 97 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Dear David's readers, he asked me to let you know 98 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: that he can't post or even answer your messages yet 99 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: his email Major dot Buburg at gmail dot com is 100 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: fully functional. He'll be back on Facebook on February twenty third, 101 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. End quote. This exact same message, word for word, 102 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: will be posted at a later date by Vlad Blutsky, 103 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: a former coordinator of the Free Russia Foundation, Perhaps a 104 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: clear case of internal coordination at David Duberg Club. US 105 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Navy later even confirmed that, yes, the Ben Anderson account 106 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: who posted the message is indeed the legit US Navy 107 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Commander Ben Anderson. How curious. Now, remember the Freemason 108 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: patch I was talking about earlier, the one David Duberg 109 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: was seen wearing on his military gear. Well, get this, 110 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: The many social gatherings that David Duberg publicly attended were 111 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: tied to rappaport, including a local chapter of the Freemason, 112 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: the Scottish Rite Freemasonry Chapter in Washington, d C. Of 113 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: all places. Now, don't worry, I'm not about to don 114 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: at tinfoyl hat and claim Freemasons all the world. But 115 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: they are an influential old boys club that's perfect for 116 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: organizing amongst the wealthy board men of this world. Despite 117 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: what they say, they do have some sway. I'd go 118 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: as far as to say that a Freemason meeting in Washington, 119 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: DC is perhaps the perfect place for organizing what became 120 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: a high tier influence campaign with David Duberg Club. Also, 121 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: it seems that the real identity of the public face 122 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of David Duberg, Steve Ferrow, was also part of the Freemasons. 123 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: As David Duberg, he was photographed next to active US 124 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: Army Colonel Rob Mitchell. Mitchell is also a Freemason. Dubog 125 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: posted these photos on his Facebook profile, congratulating Mitchell on 126 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: becoming a colonel. As du Berg, he called Mitchell his friend, colleague, 127 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: and brother. Other members of David Dubog Club would continue 128 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: to out themselves by communicating with du Berg as if 129 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: he was a real person, Kuzomenko writes, quote du Berg 130 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: attempted to boost his credibility by frequently referring to a 131 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: number of rapper sports friends who openly talted their military credentials, 132 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: such as dmitriy Mining and Eric Kneilov. These friends would 133 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: also post photographs and other content that referred to Duburg 134 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: as if he were a real person, such as March 135 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Facebook posts from Eric Karneilov showing a group 136 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: of soldiers with the text remember this beautiful day, David, 137 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: We definitely had some fun. Bro. Many of these individuals 138 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: were used to prop up Duberg as an actual, well 139 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: connected person. Were friends with Rappaport and in his social circles, 140 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: including being in this same local Freemason chapter. These contacts 141 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: were all living in or around Washington, DC. But another 142 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: Rapperport contact was perhaps the most vital in creating false 143 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: legitimacy to the Pentagon official, Steve Ferrow, whose face was 144 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: used to represent Duberg End's quote feraoh New Rappaport from 145 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Houston University. They were in the same threat together, the 146 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: hilariously named Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity Pharaoh denies any knowledge 147 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: of the David Duburg account. However, after being questioned about 148 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: this by Kusamenko, Pharaoh quickly deleted photos from his own 149 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: Facebook profile that linked him to Duburg and Rappaport. It's 150 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: clear that Rappaport was not the sole person involved with 151 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: David Duberg. I think it's obvious at this stage that 152 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: a small collective of Rappaport's friends and associates, several from 153 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: his freemasonry lodge, were instrumental in promoting David Duberg as 154 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,359 Speaker 1: a means to spread pro American, anti Kremlin Russian information. 155 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: Pretty much everything Dan Rappaport was involved and invested in. 156 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: Some might ask the question was Dan Rappaport just a 157 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: Pentagon fanboy lapping as an insider or was he a 158 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: Pentagon insider lapping as a businessman. Well, the Pentagon deniers 159 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: ever employing a David Duberg and said it's nothing to 160 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: do with them, which they would incus Menko showed his 161 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: findings to several people within the intelligence sphere. They had 162 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: an unusual response. Glen Carlei, a veteran of the CIA 163 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: and former deputy officer on the National Intelligence Council, said 164 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: that it was a quote crap initiative, it was created 165 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: by a quote fool, and curiously was probably a Russian 166 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: disinformation campaign as opposed to an actual anti Russian operation. 167 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: Ludmila Subchuk Borisova, a Russian journalist known for investigating government 168 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: back internet troll factories, also looked at Kuzmenko's work. She said, 169 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: quote Dubog resembles propagandist fake accounts that a troll factory 170 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: in Russia would create, a whole group of people would 171 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: work on something like this. Still, propagandist efforts, regardless of 172 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: who runs them, tend to look alike. Dubug is not 173 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: necessarily a Russian project. On the other hand, a recent 174 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: report in Russia pointed out that some anti Russian foreign 175 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: experts invited onto Russian TV as token representatives of the 176 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: West are often actually paid to serve as virtual punching 177 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: bags for local anchors to ridicule ends. Quote author Peter Pomorantseev, 178 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: a senior visiting fellow at the London School of Economics, 179 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: also thought the case was strange. He said, quote what 180 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: struck me first is that the whole thing could be 181 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: a surreal prank. An extravagant individual undertaking. It's not how 182 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: you imagine secret services to work. But then again, considering 183 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: that it spanned such a long period of time, it 184 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: could be a case of freelance work where someone a freelancer, 185 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: ventures out on his own kick, starts a certain project, 186 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: and later pitches an already running operation to a potential buyer. 187 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Things aren't necessarily always linear, as in there's a side 188 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: that orders everything and an executor. I think we are 189 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: seeing more and more of that thing and it becomes 190 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: increasingly accessible. Again this case, the Jewberg case, appears to 191 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: be a weird propaganda campaign meant for Russian state broadcaster 192 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: Novosti ends quote. It seems that the David Duberg slash 193 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Dan Rappaport rabbit hole never ends. The du Burg saga is, 194 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: in my opinion, a case of a small group of 195 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: people creating a smoke screen for their own internal political 196 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: influence that snowballed faster and bigger than they intended it to. Remember, 197 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: it caught the eye of the Kremlin. They no doubt 198 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,239 Speaker 1: worked out who was behind it as well, putting Rappaport 199 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: in their sights once again, So you have to ask yourself, 200 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: did this contribute to Dan Rappaport's death. Was he pushed 201 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: out of his window for building a fake profile that 202 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: began to spread news of plans for US domination of 203 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: Russia through Putin's backyard. Who knows, at the very least, 204 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I think when you combine the David Duberg situation with 205 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Rappaport's previous problems with the Kremlin, it begins to make 206 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: him look like a target not so irrelevant to Putin 207 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: as before. That is, if this was a hit. We 208 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: don't know now. Remember at the start, when we spoke 209 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: about Rappaport's dog, the supposed suicide note and the cash 210 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: attached to the collar. This bizarre tale came from a 211 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: Russian source. This source is a telegram channel ran by 212 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: the former editor of the Russian Tatler magazine, Yanaiya Pugachiva. 213 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: She's basically a gossip reporter. This convoluted and according to 214 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Rappaporte's wife, false story about the dog was used to 215 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,119 Speaker 1: explain how the Russian telegram channel discover the death of Rappaport. 216 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: She broke the story. In the words of vlad Burlatsky, 217 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: who commented on the death of Rappaport, how the hell 218 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: did she learn about Dan's alleged suicide. Well, there's a theory, 219 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: here's sergery. 220 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: The main reason a Fasbar and other similar agencies use 221 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: gossip sites or telegram channels or you know, independent creators 222 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: is because I think people have a distrust with the 223 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: mainstream You see this in the West, mainstream media or whatever. 224 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: They don't believe it. They people are drawn to independent creators. 225 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: They're drawn to alternative media, whether it be like individual 226 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: comment creators, alternative outlets that are kind of new and 227 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: like web based. Similar in Russia, you know, telegram is 228 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: very popular. Telegram new channels are very often used, and 229 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: I think they have sort of like an authenticity and 230 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: credibility that people think that like state news outlets don't have. 231 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: They see that, you know. I think the skepticism in 232 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: Russians is like, if it's being like, if it's reporting 233 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: on something, it's probably being controlled in some way. If 234 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: it's not straight up controlled by the government, it's probably 235 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: being influenced. And this is true for any kind of 236 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: information they get, whether it's from the Russian government or 237 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: from you know, the West. I mean, especially from the West. 238 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: They're skeptical of anything. There's a bunch of different you know, 239 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: it's a scale of how skeptical people are. Some people 240 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: buy into and some people don't. And I think for 241 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: those that are skeptical of the Russian media, they turn 242 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: to independent creators and telegram news channels and they use 243 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: that as their like credible sorts of information. And I 244 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: think agencies can use that and kind of disseminate information 245 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: that they need through these sources, and it gives its 246 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: kind of its own credibility. I guess. You know, it's like, well, 247 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: it's kind of a silly let's say, a gossip side. 248 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's a silly website that talks about 249 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: drama celebrity like flings or whatever, and then it reports 250 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: this serious thing. You may kind of think, well, they're 251 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: not political, they don't have any ties to the government, 252 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: because they're just like who cares, They're like a gossip site, 253 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: you know. But still people read it. They get that 254 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: information and they take it at face value. You know. 255 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: The thing with the note on reports dog, from what 256 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: I could see, there was no dog or note or anything, 257 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: but a lot of Russian sites reported it as fact, 258 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: and the origin seems to be essentially a blogger. She's 259 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: basically like an influencer who kind of reports on gossipy 260 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: stories and yeah, and you kind of use that as like, well, 261 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: she's independent, she has a reason to be controlled. She's 262 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: a little call Simularian. And then yeah, you just kind 263 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: of trust that more than something that you would believe 264 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: to be controlled by the government. 265 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: So, Russian intelligence services have been known to use gossip 266 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: sites as a means to spread information quickly. Kind of smart, 267 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: I guess, But why would they want to spread the 268 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: news of Dan Rapperport's death and how did they know 269 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: about it? So soon? I'll leave that for you to 270 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: think about. To tie up this wild story of Dan 271 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Rapperport's death and strange life, let's look at his final 272 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: Facebook post. This was posted just two days before he 273 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: died after falling out the window. Rapperport put up a 274 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: photo of Colonel Kurtz from the film Apocalypse Now. The character, 275 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: played by Marlon Brando, is a US military colonel gone rogue. 276 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: He slaughters fellow soldiers and basically starts a cult in 277 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: the jungle. Kurtz is based on the Ivory Trader character 278 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: from Joseph Conrad's eighteen ninety nine novella Heart of Darkness. 279 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: Rappaport posted the photo with the caption the Horror, The 280 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: horror a quote from Colonel Kurtz that I think sums 281 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: up this whole series. Murder, deception, war, a mysterious bloodshed, 282 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: the horror. 283 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: Said. 284 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: Oliger is a H eleven production for Cool Zone Media 285 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: and iHeart Radio. Posted, produced, researched and edited by me 286 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: Jake Hanrahan and Sergei Slipchenko. Co produced by Sophie Victim. 287 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: Music by Sam Black, artwork by Adam mcdoyle, soundmix by 288 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Splicing Block. Go to Jacanrahan dot com for more information