WEBVTT - S1: Ep 1 - No Turning Back

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you could tell me that story about

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<v Speaker 1>the time that sister had to go to the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and you thought, this is gonna be my chance. So

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<v Speaker 1>one of the sisters she had been in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>recently and she needed to go back and have a

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<v Speaker 1>check up. It felt like this opportunity fell from heaven

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<v Speaker 1>into my lap and I would I would escape. Why

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't you just walk out, just tell someone I'm leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>and just walk out the door. We always went out

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<v Speaker 1>to buy two We were never allowed just to to

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<v Speaker 1>walk out and do something, so I wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to go, you know, more than five or six

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<v Speaker 1>paces before somebody ran up to me and said, where

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<v Speaker 1>are you going? But I knew, because I had been

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<v Speaker 1>in that hospital and was familiar with it, that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a room where there was a collection of clothes

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<v Speaker 1>that the patients had left behind, so I knew where

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<v Speaker 1>that was. I could find myself some clothes there, some

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<v Speaker 1>normal clothes. I thought, I'll drive in with this sister

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<v Speaker 1>who's ill, and then when we get there, I would

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<v Speaker 1>just leave. I would leave her there, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>have at least, you know, a few hours before anybody

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<v Speaker 1>figured out what I had done. So I took some

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<v Speaker 1>phone tokens and I got in the car. Then there

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<v Speaker 1>in that car on the way to the hospital, I

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<v Speaker 1>was perspiring. My hands were clammy, my heart was racing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so hot. And as we left the city

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<v Speaker 1>and we drove towards the seashore, there was a breeze

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<v Speaker 1>and it started just to feel really nice. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were palm trees, and there was the sky and you

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<v Speaker 1>could see the water off in the distance. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like a breath of freedom. It was like like a

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<v Speaker 1>way to breathe again. And I just wanted more and

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<v Speaker 1>more of that air, that that freedom, that life, that light.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is my chance. I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>take it. There's a box in Mary Johnson's house a

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<v Speaker 1>boxer rarely opens. Well, you know, I've been talking with

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<v Speaker 1>you lately about all of these things, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>brought this box down from the top of my bookcase

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<v Speaker 1>because I think these things do help me remember better

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<v Speaker 1>and get back into the feeling. We all know this box,

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<v Speaker 1>the one full of memories of a version of yourself

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<v Speaker 1>that with time and experience becomes more distant, hard to

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<v Speaker 1>relate to. But we keep these things as proof out

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<v Speaker 1>of you it's there in case we need reminding. Mary's

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<v Speaker 1>box holds mementos from twenty five years ago, a time

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<v Speaker 1>when she was devoted to a different world, an insular

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<v Speaker 1>community that asked her to separate from her family and

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<v Speaker 1>her past, to focus her life on one thing love. Well, first,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this plastic display case like you might get some

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<v Speaker 1>ear rings in or something like that, and underneath it's

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<v Speaker 1>just little tiny pieces of Mother Teresa's hair. Wow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably four strands or something. Would you say, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>looks like or strands and they're arranged in a cross shape.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, it's the hair of a saint that

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<v Speaker 1>you have in a box on your bookshelves. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not only hair of a saint. I haven't a box

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<v Speaker 1>on my bookshelf, but the hair of a woman that

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<v Speaker 1>I knew and had a very complicated relationship with. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson has these strands of hair and her keeps a box.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she made a vow, a vow to devote herself

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<v Speaker 1>to serving the poor and God. She became a religious

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<v Speaker 1>sister with the Missionaries of Charity, the Catholic Order formed

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<v Speaker 1>by Mother Teresa. So I did spend a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>time alone with her than most sisters had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And I loved her. I loved her deeply.

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa helping the poorest of the poor, Revered by

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<v Speaker 1>popes and president's queens and princesses. Practically anything that's known

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<v Speaker 1>about her is shouted in mystery and myth. Though fiercely private,

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<v Speaker 1>the small nun in a white and blue sorry became

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<v Speaker 1>an icon, and thousands of women abandoned their previous lives

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<v Speaker 1>to follow her. We were to love the unlovable. If

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<v Speaker 1>you feel God is asking you to do something, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how hard it is. She was so close

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<v Speaker 1>to God, and you knew it. When she was there,

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<v Speaker 1>everything changed, you know. I heard about Mother Teresa when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. She seems like the ultimate example

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<v Speaker 1>of selflessness, of someone who saw poverty and actually did

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<v Speaker 1>something about it. She seemed like this perfect person with

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<v Speaker 1>a simple message. But the more people I've talked to,

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<v Speaker 1>the more I've realized how little I understood her, how

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<v Speaker 1>unusual her spirituality actually was, how her legacy was filled

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<v Speaker 1>with controversy, and how thorny and complicated her order could

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<v Speaker 1>be for the people inside it. The order was wired

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<v Speaker 1>that you had very little time to think you're only

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<v Speaker 1>getting input from one source, You're oscillated from everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean by Brian washing. They become the

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<v Speaker 1>voice of God for you, That's all they keep saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Under your valive obedience. Right. One doesn't always know where

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<v Speaker 1>to draw the line between religion and cult. When Mary

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<v Speaker 1>was nineteen years old, she dropped out of college and

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<v Speaker 1>joined Mother Teresa's Order of Nuns. There was no legal contract,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing physical that bound her to the group. She could

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<v Speaker 1>leave at any time, but from the beginning she was

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<v Speaker 1>convinced there was no turning back. As she went deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>she learned more secrets about this way of life. She

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<v Speaker 1>saw vows taken to extremes. She felt the rigidity of rules.

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<v Speaker 1>How separate the society, this culture, this world really was.

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<v Speaker 1>Many former sisters like Mary entered the Order seeking love

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<v Speaker 1>and purpose, only to lose themselves along the way, And

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<v Speaker 1>it was a long road back. My story is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of a woman who disappoints the most admired woman

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. From a Coco Punch and I Heart Media,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the turning I'm Erica Llance Part one, No

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<v Speaker 1>turning back. Mother Teresa was busy as usual saving the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean that quite literally. Ronald Reagan's in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the French doors of the West wing of the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. Her Order of the Missionaries of Charity has

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<v Speaker 1>spread throughout the world, serving the poorest of the poor.

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa stands beside him and her white and blue

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<v Speaker 1>sorry a foot shorter than he is. Mother Rasa is

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<v Speaker 1>a heroine of our times. And to the many honors

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<v Speaker 1>she has received, including the Nobel Peace Prize, we add

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<v Speaker 1>with deep affection and endless respect, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>I am most unworthy of this generous gift of her,

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<v Speaker 1>President Sagan and his wife and new people of United States.

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<v Speaker 1>But I accepted for the greater glory of God and

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of the millions of poor people. But

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<v Speaker 1>this gift in spirit and in love will penetrate the

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<v Speaker 1>hearts of the people, for in giving it to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you are giving it to them. Mother Teresa founded her

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<v Speaker 1>Congregation of Sisters and Calcutta, India in ninety She called

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<v Speaker 1>them the Missionaries of Charity MCS for short, and she

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<v Speaker 1>became famous for tending to what she called the poorest

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<v Speaker 1>of the poor, especially in her home for the dying.

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<v Speaker 1>She explained her mission with a Bible passage. Jesus said,

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<v Speaker 1>I was hungry and you gave me to eat. I

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<v Speaker 1>was naked, you clothed me. I was homeless and you

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<v Speaker 1>took me in. I was seeking in prison, and you

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<v Speaker 1>visited me, and you took care of me. Mother Teresa's

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<v Speaker 1>Missionaries of Charity believe that each sick person on the

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<v Speaker 1>street is Jesus and disguise, that's the same Jesus in

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<v Speaker 1>the distressing disguise of the poor. The Missionaries of Charity

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<v Speaker 1>are still headquartered in Calcutta, but Mother Teresa expanded her

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<v Speaker 1>mission far beyond Indi You. She founded convents in other countries,

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<v Speaker 1>and she created new MC branches for fathers and for brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>As her order grew, so did Mother Teresa's fame. People

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<v Speaker 1>loved her message. She spoke of love, of having compassion

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone, of doing your small part to help others.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a message that appealed to Mary Johnson. Mary grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Michigan and Texas in a Catholic family. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the oldest of seven kids, and at a young

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<v Speaker 1>age she had a special relationship with a higher power.

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<v Speaker 1>I had always found church to be something I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>if it didn't last too long. I enjoyed Catholic school

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in class, but on the playground at

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<v Speaker 1>lunch time, I really have many friends, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>would find someplace on the distant side of the playground

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<v Speaker 1>and I would just talk to God. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where it started for me. In second grade,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's teacher told the class to write about what they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be when they grew up. Boys, you could

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<v Speaker 1>be fireman, you could be doctors, you could be policemen.

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<v Speaker 1>And she gave this long list of careers possibilities, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she said, girls, you could be nurses or teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>So right your, I say, now, I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do because I wanted to be either an archaeologist

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<v Speaker 1>or the director of the New York Philharmonic. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to watch Leonard Bernstein on television and I just loved that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was just the best thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, Just two options for girls neither interested. Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what she wrote in the end, when I grow up,

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<v Speaker 1>I will be whatever God wants me to be. I

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<v Speaker 1>have figured that way. God has lending more possibilities, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said than the sister does, and so I I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's it. But somehow it wasn't just an essay

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It was like a pact. It was like, Okay, God,

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<v Speaker 1>you show me what you want, and I will do

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<v Speaker 1>that thing. When Mary was twelve years old, her parents

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<v Speaker 1>got in to charismatic Catholicism. They were pretty involved in it.

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<v Speaker 1>The local group often met at their house. They'd pray

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<v Speaker 1>and speak and sing in tongues. But Mary didn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>connect with that type of spirituality. She waited for her

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<v Speaker 1>own message from God. In high school, Barry joined the

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<v Speaker 1>debate team. She wrote for the high school newspaper, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when she was a senior, the message arrived. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking past our library, which had glass windows,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw a cover of Time magazine and there

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<v Speaker 1>was this face of this wrinkled nun with a with

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<v Speaker 1>a white veil with blue stripes, and she had these

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and and I took the magazine from the shelf

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<v Speaker 1>and I started reading in the ball rang for French class.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't care. I just sat there and I

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<v Speaker 1>read about this not in Calcutta, who was doing these

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic things with taking in dyeing people and caring for them.

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<v Speaker 1>She was attracted to the mcs focus on love and

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<v Speaker 1>working with the poor, but it was their commitment to

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<v Speaker 1>the vow of poverty to live like those they were

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<v Speaker 1>serving that grabbed her. I mean, the Missionaries of Charity

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<v Speaker 1>took poverty really seriously. And one of the places in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible where Jesus talks about poverty is during that

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<v Speaker 1>Sermon on the mount when he says, stop worrying about everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the birds of the air, Look at the

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<v Speaker 1>lilies of the field. See how your heavenly Father takes

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<v Speaker 1>care of them. He knows what they need me make

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<v Speaker 1>sure they get it. It's going to be less for you.

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<v Speaker 1>He has every hair on your head counted. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think He's gonna let disaster strike? No, no, just

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<v Speaker 1>just consider the lilies. The article just pulled her in

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<v Speaker 1>like nothing before. This was like my whole heart on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really felt like that was God talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the time I got up, I said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I gotta do, and I went home and

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<v Speaker 1>started writing letters and trying to figure it out. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to Mother Teresa and asked to join her order.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of that impulsivity of a teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the summer of nine when Mary arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. She made her way through the city

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<v Speaker 1>to a new life as a missionary of charity. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never been in a big city like that before. Um

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<v Speaker 1>enormous buildings and wide streets, and all of these people

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<v Speaker 1>out on the streets, so many cars, so much action,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was exciting. Mary was headed to the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the main empty house in the United States is,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's where she joined you sisters in training. She

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<v Speaker 1>carried a cardboard box tied with string. It held two

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<v Speaker 1>skirts and two blouses. That's all the sisters said she'd need.

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<v Speaker 1>New York was a different place. In the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>s a widespread blackout shut down the city and led

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<v Speaker 1>to looting. It had nearly gone bankrupt just two years before.

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<v Speaker 1>Landlords were setting fire to their own buildings to cash

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<v Speaker 1>in on insurance, and one of the biggest man hunts

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City history was on for the son

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<v Speaker 1>of Sam, serial killer who was shooting and murdering young women.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Mary arrived, but she noticed was the energy.

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember very clearly emerging from the subway station there,

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<v Speaker 1>and walking into all of this sounds Spanish music, Spanish speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I see mangoes on the on the sidewalk there in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the fruit stand, and just all the excitement

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<v Speaker 1>and the energy of the South Brown in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen seven. There were these groups, especially of young

0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:10.520
<v Speaker 1>men and older boys, gathered around boom boxes and doing

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<v Speaker 1>these enormous gymnastic moves. Is very, very impressive breakdancing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just feeling like I had walked into a completely

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<v Speaker 1>different world than the one I'd known. The convent looked

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<v Speaker 1>like any other house in the area, a simple brick building.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ring the doorbell and wait a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>and wait a little while, and then finally sister Rochelle

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<v Speaker 1>comes down. She welcomes me with a big smile, and

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<v Speaker 1>she knows my name, and she knows what I'm there for.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been waiting for me. And I went inside and

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<v Speaker 1>everything inside was quiet. Rossell whispered to me and she says, welcome,

0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and she says, let's go say hello to Jesus. After

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<v Speaker 1>a quick stop to pray in the chapel, they climbed

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<v Speaker 1>the stairs to the refectory, the room where they did

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<v Speaker 1>most everything they ate their meals in the refectory, studied

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<v Speaker 1>how to be a sister in the refectory. Inside was

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<v Speaker 1>applywood table, two benches at a stool. I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of amazed at how there it was, how minimal it was.

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<v Speaker 1>On the wall hung side by side images of Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa and Jesus. There was also a plaque with the

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<v Speaker 1>motto for new Sisters, a quote from the Gospel of John.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus must increase and I must decrease. Then Sister Rochelle

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<v Speaker 1>showed her the dormitory, a sacred space that must stay silent.

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<v Speaker 1>They were never to speak inside it. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>room with thirteen cots and they were really close together,

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<v Speaker 1>just enough room between them to get into bed. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>was excited for this unadorned life. Things can weigh you

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<v Speaker 1>down so much, and there was a sense of freedom

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<v Speaker 1>to it. How are you going to get along with

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<v Speaker 1>just these few little things? And but it's it's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the lilies of the field and the birds of

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<v Speaker 1>the air don't need much. Mary arrived in time for adoration.

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<v Speaker 1>She and the other sisters filed into a pewless chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>They knelt in rose and put their heads to the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>The center of this life was God. Nothing else mattered

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that those moments of prayer did that time,

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<v Speaker 1>that time with God, they're chanting mixed with the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>from outside backfiring cars, boom boxes. She felt like she'd

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<v Speaker 1>entered a distant, peaceful planet she didn't understand. She prayed

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<v Speaker 1>she'd have the strength for this life. At dinner that night,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary and her twelve new sisters gathered around that plywood

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.959
<v Speaker 1>refectory table and stair. Carmeline said, Praise be Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody there started clapping their hands and singings, we welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome sister, We welcome, welcome sister, We welcome, welcome sister

0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 1>from our heart um, just as they had song to

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<v Speaker 1>each new sister who arrived, and would continue to sing

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<v Speaker 1>to each one after me. When a woman enters the

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<v Speaker 1>Missionaries of Charity, she starts as an aspirant. Mary's aspiancy

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<v Speaker 1>would last six months. She wore a conservative blouse and skirt.

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<v Speaker 1>The white sorry would come later. She quickly learns that

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<v Speaker 1>days in the Missionaries of Charity were strictly regimented. A

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<v Speaker 1>bell rang to signal time for a new task. The

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<v Speaker 1>bell marked absolutely everything we did, and whenever it rang,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it rang, Mother told us we were to stop

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<v Speaker 1>immediately doing whatever we were doing, because the bell was

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of God. The sisters had a tight timetable.

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<v Speaker 1>Wake up at four or forty in the morning, pray,

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<v Speaker 1>make beds, clean the house only twenty minutes for that,

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<v Speaker 1>wash clothes by hand at ten, mass, eat breakfast all

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<v Speaker 1>before eight o'clock, then go out to work in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also the kneeling and praying hours of it

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<v Speaker 1>every day. I loved the fact that prayer was so

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<v Speaker 1>central to the lives of the missionaries of Charity, but

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<v Speaker 1>my knees hurt like hell. There were times for spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>reading and instruction, and they got thirty minutes of what

0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.359
<v Speaker 1>they called recreation, basically when they all sat in the

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<v Speaker 1>refectory and caught up on work like mending clothes. The

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<v Speaker 1>aspirants reported to a mistress in charge, the aspiring mistress.

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<v Speaker 1>She taught them how to follow the rules. I was

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<v Speaker 1>under very close scrutiny, and my aspirment mistress would correct

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<v Speaker 1>every mistake she saw, and she'd do it publicly, and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd do it loudly, kind of like the drill sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>the idea behind the mission of Charity training is just

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<v Speaker 1>like like military training, to break you down into nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Kelly Dunham. She also joined the Missionaries of

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<v Speaker 1>Charity and began her training in the same convent as Mary,

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<v Speaker 1>but seventeen years later. In those first months, it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole idea was to make you feel as

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<v Speaker 1>alone as possible, with the idea that you would depend

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<v Speaker 1>only on God. Kelly says that like in boot camp,

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<v Speaker 1>you did what you were told, whether or not it

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>made sense to you. She struggled with that, but she

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<v Speaker 1>loved the moments of beauty working as a group for

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<v Speaker 1>a cause and their nightly songs. After evening prayer, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the sisters would walk outside and stand around ound

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<v Speaker 1>a statue of Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>sing a little song to Mary and everyone does like

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<v Speaker 1>a little silent prayer and usually touches the statue. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>on the feet and then goes up. Created a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of honoring something bigger than yourself. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like by candle lights, right, so it's actually extremely

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.439
<v Speaker 1>like poignant and it's a moment right like it's a

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.840
<v Speaker 1>moment I still can almost get tearful thinking about that.

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>And I can remember one night we were all standing

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<v Speaker 1>around the statue of Mary with all the sisters, their

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.679
<v Speaker 1>faces reflected lighted up by just the candle light, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking, Oh, man, I get to be with

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<v Speaker 1>all these beautiful women the rest of my life. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson had been in the convent for two weeks when

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<v Speaker 1>there is a big announcement Mother Teresa was coming. We

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<v Speaker 1>got so excited, you know, we just shouted there, just

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<v Speaker 1>oh so excited. She told us during dinner. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was the time when we could speak, and we did.

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Mary couldn't believe she'd finally meet this woman people called

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<v Speaker 1>a living saint. You know. I'd heard about saints. Some

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of saints had these abilities where they could read people's souls.

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<v Speaker 1>If she was like that, she probably wouldn't like me,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. And the other thing I was scared about

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<v Speaker 1>was what would happen if it turned out I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like her. I decided what I would do was I

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<v Speaker 1>would go to the top of the staircase because Mother

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Streets would come in the front door, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>positioned myself just right on those stairs, I'd be able

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<v Speaker 1>to see her and when the door opened and Mother

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<v Speaker 1>was the first one to come in, and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>her there, this this tiny, short woman with so many wrinkles,

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<v Speaker 1>and she just looked so small and so determined. And

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<v Speaker 1>the aspirants who had been waiting, and we're down there

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 1>on that floor, Oh, Mother, Mother, and they were saying things,

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, let me say hello to Jesus. First,

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Mother must say hello to Jesus. It was the first

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>time I heard her talk about herself in the third person,

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<v Speaker 1>which was something she did all the time. But I

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that then, I thought. Mother Teresa looked utterly

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<v Speaker 1>focused as she took off her sandals and walked to

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<v Speaker 1>the chapel. Then she knelt to pray. I had never

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>seen anyone somehow that connected with God. I felt that

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 1>something holy was happening there. One day, Mother Teresa sat

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<v Speaker 1>down at the aspiran's table to talk with the young

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<v Speaker 1>women entering her order. She shared a clear message, one

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<v Speaker 1>that would reverberate in Mary's mind for the next twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>God called you to come here. Jesus did not call

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<v Speaker 1>your sister, did not call your neighbor. Jesus called you

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to be here. And she said God has called you.

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<v Speaker 1>You must be faithful for life, or pack up and

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<v Speaker 1>go home right now. And she was so clear and

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>so strong and not a little bit scary. And she

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, just to people who had been there for

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<v Speaker 1>for two weeks basically, and I hadn't figured it out yet.

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>You didn't know exactly did God call me? That's a

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>very amorphous question. But Mother was sure. She said, you're here.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>That means God called you here, and now you must

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>be faithful for life. She brought the twelve aspirants to

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<v Speaker 1>the chapel and had the kneel in a row at

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<v Speaker 1>the front. Then she went down the line and gave

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<v Speaker 1>them each a crucifix. She brought the crucifix to each

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>sister's lips for a kiss. She pressed that crucifix so

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<v Speaker 1>strongly against my lips that you know, it's like you

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>can hardly respond with any sort of kiss because she

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>pushes it there and then she pulls it away. Mother

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.880
<v Speaker 1>did everything forcefully, wholeheartedly. You know, you feel that kind

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of electricity when something special is happening, where your whole

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 1>body just kind of tingles and feels alive. And at

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the same time, there was a kind of a I

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.679
<v Speaker 1>think the reluctance wasn't so much in my body. The

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>reluctance was more in my mind. But physically I was

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>very excited. I was kind of full. And I remember

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>whenever Mother spoke, just being so taken in by her

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<v Speaker 1>words and by her conviction and by the power of

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>her own belief, that you really just looked at her

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and could not look away. Okay, now I have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a better person than I have ever been in

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 1>my whole life. The bar has been raised. When Mother

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Teresa told Mary and the other aspirants that they were chosen,

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<v Speaker 1>she said it came with a lifelong commitment. It was

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 1>like a marriage. They must be faithful to God and

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>their vows. All Catholic nuns take vows of poverty, chastity,

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and obedience. Mother Teresa added a fourth vow for her sisters,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the vow of wholehearted and free service to the poorest

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 1>of the poor. Mother Teresa said, to succeed in your vows,

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>you just need to do one thing. Follow the constitutions.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the governing document of the missionaries of charity. Legend

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was that early on, while everyone slept, Mother Teresa wrote

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the constitutions by candle light. Then the Vatican authorized it

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>as an infallible path to holiness. The Constitutions laid out

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<v Speaker 1>a life of love and service in the extreme that

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<v Speaker 1>the attraction is really that life of sacrifice. You want

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to do something different, you want to do something radical,

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>even if it's very conservative, it's also very radical to

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>do this. The Aspirans had a daily rule class taught

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>by the mistress. Mary's mistress wore glasses. She was short

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and stern. Sister calmly sat on her little stool at

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the head of the table, and she passed out the

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Constitution books, page to open to, which number on that

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>page to read, and we'd read it together, and then

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 1>we'd close the books. And then at the end of

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>class she would collect them. And it's kind of like,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I knew there were things in that book she did

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>not want us to see it as curious about those.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Gradually Mary learned the rules from her mistress. She learned

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>how to walk briskly, quickly, you don't want to waste

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>any time, but not like wild elephants. How to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't supposed to talk about really anything that went

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<v Speaker 1>on outside, you know, whether it was books or movies,

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<v Speaker 1>how to wear her hair and make a ponytail like

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>decent girls. How to keep custody of the eyes. We

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>weren't supposed to be looking around at anything really um,

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>but especially not billboards or newsstands. Even how to fall

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the napkin always in a triangle with an extra part

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>hanging down. And that was that triangle is the Trinity.

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I should think of the Trinity every time you fold

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>it in this particular way. Your superior was considered the

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>direct voice of God, and the vow of obedience meant

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>obey your superior without question. Any time a superior entered

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the room, we were all to stand and to sit

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>only when she sat or indicated in some other way

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that we should sit. Then there was the vow of poverty.

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Pretty Much all Catholic nuns take avow of poverty, but

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa took it a step further. She explained it

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>in an interview on Irish TV. If you really want

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<v Speaker 1>to know the poor, we must know what is poverty,

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and that's why not society. Poverty is our freedom and

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>our strength. The missionaries of Charity relied on donations and

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>divine providence, and over the years the Order received large

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>donations millions of dollars worth because of the interest their

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>work inspired. But the sisters lived meager live regardless of

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>how much money the organization raised. They lived as though

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have any for the sake of their vow.

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>The life of poverty of the Missionaries of Charity is

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<v Speaker 1>is um is a very poor life. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>poor life, This is Sister Kathleen Hughes. I remember my

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>first breakfast in London. I never forget. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of moldy bread, and then we got the airport cheeses

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 1>from the air you know, somebody would bring us these

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>little individual cheeses from the planes, you see, and and

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>they were over ripe by the time we got them.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>So I had a mouthful of moldy bread and this

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>over ripe Commembert cheese. And I remember saying to the Lord,

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>is every breakfast for the rest of my life going

0:30:56.240 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>to be like this? Oh? No, it was an initiation.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>It was a test. The mission is a charity. Don't

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>have fans or air conditioners. That's kindly Dunham again. And

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx at that time, we weren't even opening

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the windows during the night, you know, So it was

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>really really hot, so we didn't wear deodorant. We're wearing

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like three or four layers between the outside, so even

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>when you sweated, it didn't make you cooler because it

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't evaporating, was just getting trapped by the outside layer. Um.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>And I remember saying to the sisters like, we don't

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>smell very good, and she's like, oh, such a blessing

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>to help with chastity. No. Mother Teresa was very concerned

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>about maintaining the vow of chastity, really almost to the

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>point of paranoia about it, and she passed then on

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>to everybody else in rural class. Mary learned chastity meant

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>more than not having sex for missionaries of charity, and

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>meant no touching period. The sisters should never touch each

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>other and the people they cared for. Mother Teresa said,

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>touch them as little as possible. She would say, sometimes,

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of course it's necessary. You have to touch the babies,

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you have to feed the babies. But as soon as

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that baby is sped, you put that baby down. The

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>vow of chastity is why talking was so controlled, To

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>make sure sisters didn't get too close. They could only

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>talk at approved times, usually when they were all together.

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>When sisters walked outside the convent, always in twos, they

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk. Instead, they prayed the Rosary. Allowed together, on sidewalks,

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>on busses, everywhere, you could not have a friend. This

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was very specifically prohibited. They call it particular friendship. If

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>if somebody saw you getting kind of closer to one

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>sister than to another, you would be called out on it.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>They were. They were afraid that if if you got

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>too close to somebody, everybody else would feel excluded. And

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>then the other fear was that particular friendship was kind

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of a name for like relationships of a homosexual nature.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>If you got too close to somebody, it was really

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you were playing with fire. I'm cutting in here right

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>now because I think for a story like this, it's

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>important for you to know where I'm coming from. And

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>to do that, I'd like to introduce you to someone.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Her name is Allen so High. I'm Ailan, and I'm

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>your sister Erica, like actual sister, not religious sister. And

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>over the past year we've actually been working on this

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>podcast together. We've been producing it together. I'm curious. I mean,

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>when I called you and asked you to work on

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>this project, what did you think? I thought, you know what,

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that makes a lot of sense. Really. I think it's because,

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, we went to Catholic school when we were young,

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>even though we weren't Catholic, and we had nuns as teachers,

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>and I think you really looked up to the America. Yeah.

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I looked up to them, and I was also really

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>interested in them. Remember they lived in a house like

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>right by the school. We it was down the drive

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>from the school. We'd passed it every day. It was white. Yeah,

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>whenever we went past that house, I would look at

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it and just wonder what their lives were like in

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that house, Like what are the rooms they're sleeping in?

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>How did they become nuns? Like? How do you make

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that choice? It's weird to look back, but I actually

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>think in second grade I made a list of all

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the things I wanted to be when I grew up,

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>which was a really long list, but one of the

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>things I included was to be a nun. Which is

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>strange to think back on now, but I was really

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 1>taken with them. Yeah, you were. I kind of feel like,

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>in a way this podcast, it's like I'm getting to

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 1>look inside that house, you know. Hm. You know. That's

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 1>one reason I wanted to work on it with you,

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>because you have a PhD in psychology and you're really

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.720
<v Speaker 1>interested in the extremes of human behavior and why people

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>do what they do. And I feel like that's a

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>big part of this too, because the missionaries and charity,

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>it's an intense way of life. Yeah, when I first

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 1>heard about this story, I thought there would be a

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of beautiful moments and also how life is an

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>m C is difficult at times, you know, But I

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>guess what we ended up finding is there was a

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>lot more darkness than I realized. M And you know,

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 1>just hearing these women talk about even how years after

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>leaving they were having nightmares about times as an MC.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just hard to grapple with all that.

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just hard to keep all the beautiful stories and

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>all the dark ones in my head at once, and

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>so I'm constantly changing how I feel about this. Yeah,

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot more complicated than I thought. Early on,

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe a week into Mary's time at the convent, she

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>saw what it was like to be on the wrong

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>end of her rule. It was the end of the day,

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>so Mary took her nightly shower. Then she walked out

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of the bathing room. So I'm there with my bucket

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>full of my dirty clothes. I'm wearing my night dress,

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and I would walk out the door and immediately standing

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 1>right there so I can't even move, is sister Carmeline.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And then she says, Sister Mary, you took the shower.

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, yes, sister, and she says, and you did

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>it last night too. I heard the water falling. You

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>took the shower, yes, sister, having you no shame? I mean,

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>it was really She was getting very upset. She ended

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>up calling me all sorts of names that I was

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>vain and lazy and immodest. And I could not figure

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>this out. What on earth had I done that was wrong?

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>The water coming from the shower head was cold water.

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't broken poverty by turning on the hot one.

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't taken very long. I was really pretty quick

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>about it. I couldn't understand. Earlier that day, Sister Carmeline

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>had taught the aspirants how to respond when corrected. You're

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>supposed to stay silent, never talked back, and only speak

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>when it's clear your superior is done. Then there was

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>only one thing you could say, thank you, sister, Sorry, sister.

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 1>And so all the while my mind is racing, trying

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 1>to figure out what on earth I've done wrong. At

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the same time, this instruction is coming back. Stand there silent,

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 1>like Jesus before Pilot, sister Carmeline had said. And even

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>that morning that had caused a little confusion for me,

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.720
<v Speaker 1>because I knew before Pilot Jesus did not stand silent.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Jesus and Pilot had a conversation, and Jesus talks about

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the truth. Pilot asked, what's what is truth? There's there's

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>this dialogue between them. Jesus was silent before King Herod

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>when he was brought before him. But at the end

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I could only say those five words, thank you, sister, Sorry, sister.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Mary asked another sister what she's done wrong.

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Mcs don't take showers. She said, instead, you're supposed to

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>pour water over yourself with a tin can. And then

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>at the end I just said thank you and just

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of tapped her on the arm, and she got

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>so furious she said, no, don't touch, don't touch you know,

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I can't do anything right. Mary

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>started her training with eleven other women. Six months later,

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>only she and one other aspirant remained. Each time my

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>sister left it felt abrupt. They'd only find out about

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it after the fact from their mistress, no explanation, just

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>that they'd left. The remaining sisters didn't get to say goodbye,

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>and they weren't allowed to talk about it. It made

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Mary wonder about her own vocation. Inside of me, there

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>were all these questions about so what does it mean

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to be called? And how do you know if you're called?

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Mary prayed over and over to know whether she should

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>go home or stay, and it just always came back

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>to this, this tug, this poll to come and join

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa in following Jesus. It was like, yes, this

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>is what I was meant to do. This is it.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Mary finished her aspirancy, so she was ready for the

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>next step. And I should say there are a lot

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 1>of steps to become an m C or any kind

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 1>of nun. They each have different names and it can

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 1>get confusing, but don't worry about it. I'll help you

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>along the way. Basically, first year in training, then for

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 1>a while you take vows that last a year, and

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>finally you take lifelong vows. But Mary says, even before

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>those final vows, Mother Teresa believed you were committed for life.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Any urge to leave was the devil's temptation. Yes, in

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the book it says you take your vows for one year,

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>but you know in your heart you do not tell

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Jesus yes for one year, you say yes for your

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 1>entire life. I think Mother Teresa took everything to its

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>most radical conclusion. It's a lot of pressure for anyone,

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>especially a teenager. At this point, Mary was ready to

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>become what's called a postulant, and for that she was

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>sent to Rome. I arrived in Rome at the beginning

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>of night. I was still nineteen years old. Rome was

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 1>full of life and history. The Colosseum, the Roman Forum,

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the Pantheon, they were all nearby. At the time. The

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>city was in turmoil too, fights in the streets, new

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>divorce and abortion laws that led to protests. But Mary's

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>life centered around the convent at the San Gregorio Church.

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>A little world inside this bustling city. Across a gravel

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>yard and through a gate was the convent, a block

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of low cement buildings. As a postulant, she still wore

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:40.319
<v Speaker 1>her own skirt and blouse. No sorry. Yet whenever she

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>felt overwhelmed, she remembered Mother's words, you're here. That means

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>God called you here, and now you must be faithful

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 1>for life. After postulancy, Mary became a novice, and that

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>meant it was time to take a new name. Once

0:41:55.160 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>she picked for herself sister Donat don it and freely given.

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>There is also a ceremony. Mary and seven other sisters

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 1>lined up in a chapel in front of Mother Teresa.

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>One by one, Mother called the sisters by their new names.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>When Mary heard Mother Teresa call her new name, Sister Donata,

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it felt like a wave crested over her. It carried

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>away Mary, the postulant who struggled with all the rules.

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>And so I suppose in that since my old self

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>was decreasing, Mother handed her new clothes. In a few moments,

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Mary's skirt and blouse would be gone forever, replaced by

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the white saries of the Missionaries of Charity. Mother had

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Mary kissed the habit. She said, let the world be

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>nothing to you, and you nothing to the world. Then

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a sister handed Mother Teresa a pair of scissors to

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>take the first snip of Mary's hair. Mother Teresa cut

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>off just one little lock of hair, laid it on

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a tray. Another sister cut off Mary's ponytail. They were

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>all singing this song, I have decided to follow Jesus.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I have decided to follow Jesus. I have decided to

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>follow Jesuss No turning back, no turning back. And we

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>got dressed in our new clothes. And then as we

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.839
<v Speaker 1>were leaving to go back into the chapel, we were

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>given that ponytail to hold into our hands, and we

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>were told that this is like the bouquet of flowers

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that a young bride would carry to her wedding. And

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>so we brought that ponytail, holding it in our hands,

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and laid it there in front of the altar and

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a little basket that us there. After the ceremony, Mother

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Teresa ate dinner with the new novices. Mother explained that

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>cutting their hair was a sign of a sacred commitment

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 1>to God. Once dinner was over, grand silence began, like

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>every evening, no talking aloud until breakfast the next day.

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>But that night something unusual happened, without anyone saying a word.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>One of the sisters began to pull each of us

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>new novices aside, and then she signed to us that

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>we should follow her, and we went into a back room.

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 1>A fire was burning and so the room was quite hot.

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>The ceremony wasn't over yet, no one spoke. There were

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>four stools in the middle of the room. There were

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<v Speaker 1>eight of us novices waiting there wondering what on earth

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. And then the first four got motioned

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<v Speaker 1>to sit on the stools. The professed sisters held scissors.

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<v Speaker 1>All Mary watched. They were moved to the novice's headpieces.

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<v Speaker 1>They trained what was left of their hair, cutting it

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<v Speaker 1>shorter and shorter and shorter down to the scalp. The

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<v Speaker 1>sisters were saying, Hail Mary, full of grace, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were answering, Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember one was had had tears in her

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<v Speaker 1>eyes as her hair was falling, and others are just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sitting there with their eyes shut as tight

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<v Speaker 1>as they could. That was kind of kind of frightening

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<v Speaker 1>to see it all happened all at once like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It became very real. Then it was Mary's turn to

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<v Speaker 1>sit on a stool and cutting started. There's very little

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<v Speaker 1>hair there, there's and now there's less, and there's less,

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<v Speaker 1>until there was really just just nothing, as close as

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<v Speaker 1>you could get with a pair of scissors. After it

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<v Speaker 1>was done, someone handed Mary a bucket of water. She

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<v Speaker 1>took it to the bathing room to wash herself. Just

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<v Speaker 1>as I was finishing my bath, at this horrible smell

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<v Speaker 1>came through the bathing room door. It was just like

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<v Speaker 1>this acrid, awful, awful smell. And I followed that smell

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<v Speaker 1>back into the room where our hair had been cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw there our novice mistress was tossing our

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<v Speaker 1>ponytails into that fire, and just tossing our hair into

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<v Speaker 1>the fire. And I could hear again that him that

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<v Speaker 1>had been sung earlier that day, now turning back, now

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<v Speaker 1>turning back, And it really felt that way. The Turning

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<v Speaker 1>is written by Allen lance Lesser and Me. Our producers

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<v Speaker 1>are Allen lance Lesser and Emily Foreman. Our editor is

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