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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Jason Quitt. Jason's been studying
Speaker 4: various modalities and spiritual practices from teachers from around the world.
Speaker 4: From his auto body experiences, Jason has received information on
Speaker 4: numerous energetic systems of healing and spiritual development. He has
Speaker 4: had various contacts from a wide variety of beings which
Speaker 4: will be getting into today, and he has continued his
Speaker 4: journey into the ancient systems of mysticism, metaphysics, wellness and
Speaker 4: shamanism to this day. Most importantly, he is genuinely a
Speaker 4: super super nice guy, probably because he's Canadian. Hey, Boddy,
Speaker 4: good seeing you, Jason, how are you.
Speaker 5: I'm good, good to see you too, and happy to
Speaker 5: be here finally and having this conversation with.
Speaker 4: You in snow filled Canada right now.
Speaker 5: Huh it's cold, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4: So Jason, you know your work is in a vast
Speaker 4: range of areas, like I just mentioned on the intro there,
Speaker 4: from spirituality to mysticism, metaphysics. But you know this show
Speaker 4: we try to focus on UFOs and alien and I
Speaker 4: know that you've looked into these phenomenon as well, because
Speaker 4: you and I have discussed them in the past. So
Speaker 4: if there was this catastrophe and a world leader gets
Speaker 4: stuck on an elevator with Jason Quitt knowing nothing about
Speaker 4: this subject, and he asked you, so, what's behind the
Speaker 4: UFO phenomenon? What would you tell him?
Speaker 5: I would say that we need to figure out what
Speaker 5: the UFO phenomenon is and put it into different categories.
Speaker 5: And I think this is where people get tripped up
Speaker 5: in this community, is that there's so much going on
Speaker 5: in this phenomenon and it all kind of gets pushed
Speaker 5: all together in this one big ball of this is
Speaker 5: what the UFO phenomenon is. After many, many years of
Speaker 5: experiences and you know, hearing and studying all these different
Speaker 5: sightings anything from experiencers to government whistleblowers and things like this,
Speaker 5: I found that we need to kind of like place
Speaker 5: things in certain categories. You know, going back many years,
Speaker 5: there's always been this kind of conflict between experiencers and
Speaker 5: the nuts and bolts technological things of you know, what
Speaker 5: we see in the sky, is it a metallic ship?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 5: You know? What is this technology? So what I would
Speaker 5: say to people is that we have to kind of
Speaker 5: look at each event as their own unique thing, and
Speaker 5: then we can put it into their categories or into
Speaker 5: their filing cabinet. You know, I've had experiences typical experiences
Speaker 5: where you know, you could observe something physically in the air,
Speaker 5: and I've been a witness to these events with people
Speaker 5: around me up in Canada, here, we get a lot
Speaker 5: of these sightings. In fact, one of the two best
Speaker 5: sightings I've ever had were just right by my house here.
Speaker 5: And I live by a lake. It's called Lake Simcoe
Speaker 5: out in Ontario. Before I even moved out here, I
Speaker 5: went to a festival. There was a concert out here
Speaker 5: on the lake and it was late at night, and
Speaker 5: you know, everybody was done and the concert was over,
Speaker 5: and the roadies, you know, they're putting the equipment away
Speaker 5: and we're still out by the lake and over the
Speaker 5: lake this it looked like this gigantic plasma ship. It
Speaker 5: was deep orange red, like this glowing big orb moving
Speaker 5: slowly over the water. And you know, I'm just my
Speaker 5: girlfriend at the time, which was now my wife. She
Speaker 5: went to use the washroom. So I'm standing by the
Speaker 5: stage and I'm watching this thing go over the water
Speaker 5: and it just fades out. It's like a you know
Speaker 5: when you have like a dimmer switch on your lighting system.
Speaker 5: It just dimmed out and then gone like it just
Speaker 5: completely disappeared in front of our eyes. I remember the
Speaker 5: one of the roadies was just near me and he
Speaker 5: looked right at me and he's like, did we just
Speaker 5: see a UFO? And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: we just saw something like a UFO, because that was
Speaker 5: probably the coolest UFO I've ever seen, like this big
Speaker 5: glowing orb and it just like just disappeared. And my
Speaker 5: thought at the time was like, if it was close
Speaker 5: enough and I had like a stone in my hand
Speaker 5: and I threw the stone, it would just go right
Speaker 5: through this thing. So you know, what is that phenomenon?
Speaker 5: And then later when my wife and I we moved
Speaker 5: up here, so this is many years after that incident.
Speaker 5: You know, we're driving back home from a friends around
Speaker 5: Christmas time, and so it's all snowy, it's late at night,
Speaker 5: there's really no one on the road, and on the
Speaker 5: left side of the driving side of the car, over
Speaker 5: the forest, we see this craft that could only be
Speaker 5: described as the classic what was it called the Triangle
Speaker 5: and the teeth three b oh sure, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: And it was completely silent, It was hovering, It was
Speaker 5: moving very very slowly. It had the three lights and
Speaker 5: the light in the center. I believe the lights around
Speaker 5: it were white, so three white lights and a red
Speaker 5: light in the middle, and it hovered over the forest
Speaker 5: and me and my wife just were at the stop
Speaker 5: and we're looking at this thing and we just can't
Speaker 5: believe that this is what we're looking I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to follow it. So we started to follow
Speaker 5: it down the road.
Speaker 4: The last thing that I would do.
Speaker 5: And by the way, we were following it and it
Speaker 5: kind of curved around the city and we just kind
Speaker 5: of we lost it. But it was like wow. In
Speaker 5: my thought at that time is you know, this is
Speaker 5: a technology. Like it literally looked like a ship, you know,
Speaker 5: made with nuts and bolts. This is a real thing.
Speaker 5: If I threw a stone at it, it would hit it,
Speaker 5: it would bounce off. So in that category, I didn't
Speaker 5: think that it was like an alien or UFO. My
Speaker 5: only thought was this is some type of man made technology,
Speaker 5: some type of military craft, or something that we don't
Speaker 5: know about, because it was so physical, it was so
Speaker 5: in front of you, and it had technology that we
Speaker 5: don't know yet. And so if someone said to me,
Speaker 5: that's an alien, I would say, well, I wouldn't go
Speaker 5: that far. This looks definitely like a man made thing.
Speaker 5: That's how close it was for me to see it.
Speaker 5: You know, everybody will say, well, why didn't you take
Speaker 5: a picture, Well, I was driving my car, you know,
Speaker 5: and it was it was late, and it was only
Speaker 5: for a very short time that we were able to
Speaker 5: see this. And the funny thing is I did take
Speaker 5: pictures of the orb one over the lake. Such a
Speaker 5: weird thing because once I went back to the picture,
Speaker 5: it just looked like a little red speck in my
Speaker 5: phone pictures, like a black night sky with like a
Speaker 5: red speck. There's nothing that would say that this is
Speaker 5: a UFO. It could be absolutely anything, you know. So
Speaker 5: it's very frustrating. And I'm a photographer, like I love photography,
Speaker 5: I love videos, so I know that if I point
Speaker 5: this camera up, it's not going to shoot anything. So
Speaker 5: there is there is a frustration to this. And you
Speaker 5: know now that I'm reminiscing, there was a time we
Speaker 5: went to go visit friends out at the cottage by
Speaker 5: another story by the lake, and it's late at night
Speaker 5: and we're all sitting at the dock. Most of these
Speaker 5: people aren't into UFOs whatsoever, right, And we're sitting on
Speaker 5: this dock and there's a star in the sky. You know,
Speaker 5: there's no clouds at all. There's a star in the
Speaker 5: sky that was so bright that it basically bathed all
Speaker 5: of us in this blue light, and it was so amazing,
Speaker 5: Like even my friends would say, Wow, this is a
Speaker 5: really bright star, and we're like, yeah, this is a
Speaker 5: really bright sky. It looked like a spotlight was on
Speaker 5: us on this dock by the lake, and we're sitting
Speaker 5: and just talking. We're we don't even really tune into
Speaker 5: this is something other than a star. And then it's
Speaker 5: just turned off, like just someone just flipped the switch,
Speaker 5: and then there's no more and there's no clouds in
Speaker 5: the sky, and we kind of all look at each
Speaker 5: other kind of dumbfoundly, like what just happened? Like this
Speaker 5: beautiful light was with us for it seemed like at
Speaker 5: least ten minutes, and then suddenly it's not there in
Speaker 5: the sky. Very very strange. So for me, there is
Speaker 5: this UFO phenomenon, undoubtedly, and you know, we've experienced it
Speaker 5: multiple times on a level that we can't explain any
Speaker 5: of it. So this is why we have this intrigue
Speaker 5: in phenomena, because the phenomenon is happening. It's happening to individuals,
Speaker 5: and it's happening to groups of individuals like you know,
Speaker 5: being out with your friends and seeing these things. But
Speaker 5: how I got connected to you, how I got connected
Speaker 5: to this community is a whole other kin of worms.
Speaker 5: It's a whole other story. I would say about around
Speaker 5: two thousand and two, so we're going back over twenty
Speaker 5: years now. I started to have these experiences, these spiritual experiences,
Speaker 5: out of body experiences. From the perspective that I was
Speaker 5: in at that time, this was spiritual. It had nothing
Speaker 5: to do with UFOs, it had nothing to do with aliens.
Speaker 5: And I was having these kind of shamanic experiences of
Speaker 5: journeying out of the body, going into different timelines, remembering
Speaker 5: past lives. So for me, it was a very shamanic
Speaker 5: type experience. And I started to have sleep paralysis, and
Speaker 5: that's what really got me out of my body was
Speaker 5: sleep paralysis, which many people experience being or waking up
Speaker 5: in the middle of the night having their body frozen,
Speaker 5: and it's a quite terrible flying experience. Basically, you wake
Speaker 5: up in the middle of the night, completely frozen, paralyzed,
Speaker 5: you cannot move, You may hear very strange sounds, like
Speaker 5: mechanical sounds, you may see lights, and you're basically screaming
Speaker 5: in your mind to wake up, move a finger, move
Speaker 5: an arm, get out of whatever this is. This is
Speaker 5: it doesn't feel good. And you know, one night, I
Speaker 5: just couldn't take that experience anymore. And I was trying
Speaker 5: to wake myself up, and I'm shaking violently in my
Speaker 5: body to you know, wake up, wake up.
Speaker 4: Wake up.
Speaker 5: And I shook so hard, popped myself out of my
Speaker 5: body and it was the first out of body experience
Speaker 5: through the sleep paralysis.
Speaker 4: We're going to need to take a quick break right here, Jason.
Speaker 4: I'm going to come back with asked Jason, what else
Speaker 4: that could have been? You're listening to Beyond Contact right
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Speaker 4: podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking
Speaker 4: to Jason Quick and he's had these out of body experiences. Hey, Jason,
Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes sleep paralysis you were referring to is
Speaker 4: associated with alien abduction phenomenon, and oftentimes people that don't
Speaker 4: believe in such a thing think that maybe what's happening
Speaker 4: to these people who claim to have had an alien experience?
Speaker 4: How do you make that distinction that this wasn't just
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis and something going on? How do you know
Speaker 4: that you popped yourself out of reality, and how do
Speaker 4: you know that that's what happened here?
Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't the first time. So I first popped
Speaker 5: out and as I wrote, to my ceiling, which many
Speaker 5: people describe in near death experiences. So I found myself
Speaker 5: on my ceiling looking down at my body in the bed,
Speaker 5: which was quite a terrifying experience. It's also quite a
Speaker 5: sobering experience. And I call this the cosmic slap. It's
Speaker 5: like an undeniable feeling that you know immediately that you
Speaker 5: are more than a physical body. Did I just kill myself?
Speaker 5: A dead?
Speaker 4: Other words, you feel like you have a soul or
Speaker 4: a consciousness or something bigger than your just your physical avatar,
Speaker 4: if you will. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Correct? It's a moment of realization of separation. You are
Speaker 5: in a body, you can call it the spirit body
Speaker 5: or astral body, whatever that conscious body is. You are
Speaker 5: that body in that instant, and you're experiencing that body,
Speaker 5: which is not your physical body, and you're looking down
Speaker 5: and experiencing being outside your physical body, and you literally
Speaker 5: see your fas coal body in the bed.
Speaker 4: This is what we also hear from near death experiencers.
Speaker 4: Oftentimes they're on the surgery table, they rise above their body,
Speaker 4: they see the surgeon doing something to them, right, same
Speaker 4: sort of thing exactly.
Speaker 5: So it's very fearful immediately because, like I say, it's
Speaker 5: like a slap of reality. You immediately understand.
Speaker 4: The lap of reality. It feels like it's a slap
Speaker 4: of a whole new reality. Ye right, I mean it's
Speaker 4: like this whole different frame of reference for what your
Speaker 4: life is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you gain a very different dimension, a dimensional
Speaker 5: experience of this reality. When you were talking about alien experiences,
Speaker 5: I understand that feeling because when I was put in
Speaker 5: these sleep paralysis experiences, I felt like I wasn't alone.
Speaker 5: I can feel something walking around the room with me.
Speaker 5: At some times, I can feel something sitting on the
Speaker 5: bed and it's a physical feeling, like you can feel
Speaker 5: somebody walking in the room, and when they sit on
Speaker 5: the bed, you feel the impression of the mattress, like
Speaker 5: something is there with you. We're talking two thousand and
Speaker 5: two here, So there is no YouTube to watch videos
Speaker 5: of people, you know, I actually went to the library
Speaker 5: to try to find some books. At that moment in time,
Speaker 5: you go to what's culturally acceptable, like what's in pop culture,
Speaker 5: which is alien abduction or demon possession. There's really like
Speaker 5: no other two avenues of what's going on in your
Speaker 5: bedroom in the middle of the night. It's either alien
Speaker 5: abduction or demons. You know. I say this a lot,
Speaker 5: but I became very religious, very quickly. I started to
Speaker 5: pray to any god that would help the situation. You
Speaker 5: become very very religious because you're afraid you don't know
Speaker 5: what's happening, and there's clearly something happening. So I completely
Speaker 5: understand where someone would go into those avenues of alien
Speaker 5: abduction or demon possession or things of that nature. But
Speaker 5: what scared me the most so I'm above the bed,
Speaker 5: I'm looking at myself on the bed else like, I
Speaker 5: was straight as a board on my back, hands by
Speaker 5: my side, and my eyes were wide open. So it
Speaker 5: was a freaky looking Jason on that bed and awake,
Speaker 5: consciously awake, out of my body, freaking out. I then
Speaker 5: immediately realized I wasn't alone in this room, And as
Speaker 5: I got brave enough, I looked at the foot of
Speaker 5: my bed and there was a very tall being standing
Speaker 5: at the foot of my bed, and it just looked
Speaker 5: like a very tall shadow, like a cloaked being, but
Speaker 5: it had form, like it wasn't like a shadow you
Speaker 5: can see through. It was a form. It's exactly what
Speaker 5: we see as like say, like the Grim Reaper, but
Speaker 5: without the sickle. So it's just this big shadow, this
Speaker 5: big cloaked being. And you know that scared me so much.
Speaker 5: I got so scared because you think, like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: just died out of my body. See myself in bed,
Speaker 5: there's this grim Reaper looking thing standing at the foot
Speaker 5: of my bed. I'm clearly dead.
Speaker 4: How do you not immediately pop out of sleep paralysis
Speaker 4: and head for the men's room, because that's what I
Speaker 4: would Probably.
Speaker 5: You're kind of confused and amazed. There is an amazement
Speaker 5: part about this, you know. And you hear this a
Speaker 5: lot with experiencers. They all say the same thing. It
Speaker 5: feels more real than real life. Wow, you know. So
Speaker 5: that's why I say it's a dose of reality. It's
Speaker 5: this cosmic slap where it's like, you know, what you're
Speaker 5: experiencing is real. In fact, it feels more real than
Speaker 5: what you're experiencing in life. So I got so scared.
Speaker 5: I got sucked back into my body and I woke up.
Speaker 5: Heart is pounding out of my chest obviously, and I
Speaker 5: just could not believe what I just experienced. Now, after
Speaker 5: that experience, I'd never had sleep paralysis again in that way.
Speaker 5: And when I mean that way, I didn't have control
Speaker 5: over my sleep paralysis. It would just come in a
Speaker 5: wave and I'd be stuck in it. Now because it
Speaker 5: was such an incredible experience, even though it was terrifying,
Speaker 5: there was something inside of me that's said, I need
Speaker 5: to do everything that's possible to do this again.
Speaker 4: So such a profound experience. This is how you separated
Speaker 4: from it was a dream where it was something else
Speaker 4: because it was so overwhelming. You're saying that you believe
Speaker 4: at your core that it's true.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely so, because it was so life shatteringly amazing
Speaker 5: in the sense that this was something that is definitely
Speaker 5: in my mind. It was never a dream. It was
Speaker 5: not a hallucination. This was an act of experience, and
Speaker 5: it's an active experience that people have had throughout human history.
Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't matter what you believe, what culture
Speaker 5: you're from, or what time of history you're from, people
Speaker 5: have had this. So for me, it's a human experience.
Speaker 5: You know, every like I say, everybody is going to
Speaker 5: experience this in their life.
Speaker 4: Well, there's no doubt that this has been either through
Speaker 4: they name it different things, though it's oftentimes near death
Speaker 4: experiences throughout history people claim to have had that sounds
Speaker 4: very similar to what you experienced. That's the whole notion
Speaker 4: of the soul, that there's a higher part of us
Speaker 4: that's just occupying this avatar. So all of that ties
Speaker 4: into you know, what we've heard throughout human history exactly.
Speaker 5: And so I went the shamanic path. I went into
Speaker 5: the healing world, and I sought out different teachers and
Speaker 5: shawmans to try to help me explain this new world
Speaker 5: and help me navigate it. All I wanted to do
Speaker 5: was go back. So I started to do meditations and
Speaker 5: cheegong and all these things, and I found that it's
Speaker 5: almost like once you open the door, the door has opened.
Speaker 4: Is it like what we're saying, it was more real
Speaker 4: than reality. It felt so good to you that you
Speaker 4: want to do it again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of like this curiosity, this overwhelming curiosity
Speaker 5: of the phenomenon or the experience that you just got
Speaker 5: a taste of something.
Speaker 4: Did you want to prove to yourself that it did
Speaker 4: in fact happen, or were you already convinced of that.
Speaker 5: No, there was no doubt in my mind that it
Speaker 5: was real.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: The only thing in my mind was how do I
Speaker 5: go back? And back then, you know, I was still
Speaker 5: at my mother's house. I didn't have a girlfriend. You know,
Speaker 5: I had lots of time to figure stuff out. Now
Speaker 5: it's more difficult when you have a family and you
Speaker 5: have things you have to do. But back then, all
Speaker 5: that was on my mind was trying to get back there.
Speaker 5: And so I saw meditation, sought spiritual teachers, and I
Speaker 5: found that I could put myself back into the sleep
Speaker 5: Proalyss estate through meditation. When I say meditation, all it
Speaker 5: means is going to sleep at night, but keeping my
Speaker 5: mind active and aware. It's almost like your mind is awake.
Speaker 5: And then you're meditating and you're being aware of the
Speaker 5: body process of shutting down. That's the only way I
Speaker 5: can explain it. You're becoming aware of the sleep process
Speaker 5: of your body shutting down, and then there's this window
Speaker 5: where you feel your body kind of goes to sleep.
Speaker 5: It's almost like you get this kind of warming, numbing
Speaker 5: sensation and it's like once you kind of feel this.
Speaker 5: Then it's almost like you're switching from one world to
Speaker 5: the other world, and in that transition you can have
Speaker 5: this pop out experience where you can have this astral
Speaker 5: travel or just kind of pop out of this dimension
Speaker 5: the three D reality.
Speaker 4: This sounds awesome. I hate to say it reminds me
Speaker 4: of people's giving their accounts of believe they or not
Speaker 4: doing Heroin, where they said that it was so much
Speaker 4: better than their reality that they wanted to do it again.
Speaker 4: Not advocating for Heroin, just saying that I've heard those
Speaker 4: accounts before. When we come back, we're going to talk
Speaker 4: to Jason more about this experience and what he thinks
Speaker 4: these beings could be and where they might be coming from.
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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact talking to Jason Quit. Jason, go ahead, pick
Speaker 4: it up. Where you're talking about your experience heading into nighttime,
Speaker 4: you're going to go to sleep. What happens?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically, there is a we call it the
Speaker 5: space in between, and it's the space in between waking
Speaker 5: and dreaming and as you kind of go into that awareness.
Speaker 5: It's like an altered state. You can say you're falling
Speaker 5: asleep and you're witnessing your body going to sleep through meditation,
Speaker 5: staying aware of all the feelings, everything that's happening. And
Speaker 5: then once your body kind of feels this kind of
Speaker 5: warmth and this vibration going through it, it's almost like
Speaker 5: you are in this window of popping out of time
Speaker 5: and space. And there's many ways of doing it with
Speaker 5: astral travel. There's a method called the rollout inside your
Speaker 5: body kind of roll out or push yourself out, but
Speaker 5: it's not really a push. It's more like a will.
Speaker 5: You will yourself out. And the only way I could
Speaker 5: describe it is when you drop out of this world
Speaker 5: or when you drop out of this dimension, you have
Speaker 5: another body within your body. So your body becomes like
Speaker 5: your sarcophagus. It's like a tomb. And so as that
Speaker 5: body goes to sleep, suddenly this other body inside of
Speaker 5: you wakes up. We can call it the astral body,
Speaker 5: the spiritual body, whatever name we choose, but this body
Speaker 5: could move. You find yourself in another body inside your body,
Speaker 5: and you can actually move around. So this is where
Speaker 5: the rollout method comes in handy because you're in the body,
Speaker 5: You've already dropped into this other body, and then you
Speaker 5: push yourself out or roll out through your back. Then
Speaker 5: you're out and you're in the astral world or spiritual world.
Speaker 5: I don't even know what kind of definition to give it,
Speaker 5: but people understand when I say astral world. For me,
Speaker 5: it's like another dimension because it's not really your bedroom.
Speaker 5: So it's like I pop out and I see my bedroom.
Speaker 5: But if you stay there long enough, things are going
Speaker 5: to get distorted. I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like in another plane another I mean I
Speaker 4: follow you believe it or not, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I mean this is it's got to be an incredible experience.
Speaker 5: Yes, And that's why I kept trying to navigate it.
Speaker 5: I kept trying to figure it out. It's like, you know,
Speaker 5: you're becoming an explorer to this new world that you've
Speaker 5: just woken up to, and it's not like you leave
Speaker 5: your body and you're enlightened. You have no clue what's
Speaker 5: going on. You have no clue where you are, and
Speaker 5: the only way you're going to know is by keep
Speaker 5: going further and further.
Speaker 4: Jason, I was wondering it sounds also it's very reminiscent
Speaker 4: of ayahuasca. Actually, how people say that they transition to
Speaker 4: this other place, and many of us are afraid to
Speaker 4: even make that journey. I'm surprised that you weren't more
Speaker 4: apprehensive about even trying to dare go to this space
Speaker 4: because it sounds like a scary reality.
Speaker 5: Almost, yes, and you learn very fast that it is
Speaker 5: a scary reality. And you know, I laugh today, but
Speaker 5: it caused years of problems, you know, I'm talking about
Speaker 5: it now twenty years after sure, right, and I still
Speaker 5: have these experiences, but it comes from a completely different
Speaker 5: place of understanding. As I was going through it, I
Speaker 5: always caution people because when you leave your body, there
Speaker 5: are other things that inhabit that space that are not nice,
Speaker 5: all right, So you have to kind of learn how
Speaker 5: to fight. And I'm not saying this lightly, like you
Speaker 5: literally have to understand that there are things there that
Speaker 5: want to get at you, all right. And I think
Speaker 5: this is kind of like the whole philosophy of where
Speaker 5: like demon possession comes from, or entities or things of
Speaker 5: this nature. It's almost like a neo waking up in
Speaker 5: the matrix. I popped out and I started to explore
Speaker 5: and because of that, now I'm getting visitation by entities.
Speaker 5: So now I become aware that this world is inhabited
Speaker 5: by something else, and it's many something else's it's not
Speaker 5: just one thing. And there is no names for these
Speaker 5: things that I can give you. I don't know. But
Speaker 5: there was a time when I first started doing this
Speaker 5: where these things would come in the middle of the
Speaker 5: night and try to pull me out of my body.
Speaker 5: Like it's very scary. You'll feel something come into the
Speaker 5: room and then grab you, but they're not grabbing your
Speaker 5: physical body. It's like they're reaching into your body and
Speaker 5: trying to pull you out of it.
Speaker 4: You go to this other plane of existence, let's call it,
Speaker 4: because I don't know how to possibly describe this, and
Speaker 4: it's almost like the beings that you've interacted with in
Speaker 4: that existence now are coming over to our reality trying
Speaker 4: to get you to come back to join them again.
Speaker 5: Right, yes, But for me, you know, it feels like
Speaker 5: they were trying to pull me or push me out
Speaker 5: of my body, which is not a good feeling. So
Speaker 5: I had to kind of like fight like hell to
Speaker 5: kind of stop this from occurring. And a lot of
Speaker 5: people experience things like this and it's very scary, very traumatizing,
Speaker 5: and this is why people turn to God very quickly,
Speaker 5: because it's like, whatever this was, I'm having none of it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one thing if Jason decides, Hey, I want to
Speaker 4: go to this world, I'm going to purposely, consciously try
Speaker 4: to experience this. It's another for them coming to get you.
Speaker 4: That's freaking me out all over here.
Speaker 5: Yes, because it was happening so often, I started to
Speaker 5: realize that my fear of this happening actually made the
Speaker 5: situation a lot worse. It's almost like the more I
Speaker 5: feared it, the easier it was for them to connect
Speaker 5: with me. Like, I'll tell you a really crazy experience.
Speaker 5: I haven't shared this in a very very long time.
Speaker 5: There was one point where I was ripped out of
Speaker 5: my body by one of these things and it came
Speaker 5: into the form, I swear to you, it looked exactly
Speaker 5: like No Seratu from the old old movies. So it
Speaker 5: was like from like the nineteen twenties No Serrat, the
Speaker 5: ball big head with the big pointy ears that the things,
Speaker 5: huge thing like that. Yeah, and this thing basically grabbed
Speaker 5: me by the throat, ripped me out of my body,
Speaker 5: put me up against the wall, and came right to
Speaker 5: my face like snarling at me. And at that point,
Speaker 5: you know, I can't swear, obviously, but I just didn't
Speaker 5: give anymore. I was just done with this whole thing.
Speaker 5: I was done being scared. And when you're done being scared,
Speaker 5: something else happens to you, or you just don't care.
Speaker 4: How do you be done being scared? I would be
Speaker 4: I'd be crying in that thing's face. How do you
Speaker 4: You're saying you were so scared your pastor.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, it was happening so often that
Speaker 5: it became an annoyance instead of scary. Wow, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just like you're here again, Like really, I don't
Speaker 5: want to I want to go to sleep. I don't
Speaker 5: want to deal with any of this stuff again. So
Speaker 5: it became not scary. It became an annoyance. Obviously, the
Speaker 5: first times you are very scared, but after dealing with
Speaker 5: it for a long time, it loses that value. So
Speaker 5: this is what I did, and I like, hand to gut,
Speaker 5: it's snarling in my face, and I'm like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: so pretty, You're beautiful, and I'm grabbing its ears, and
Speaker 5: I'm like massaging it in and giving like kissy faces
Speaker 5: to it, and poof, it's gone, you know, just poof,
Speaker 5: it's gone. And I just realized that it's the power
Speaker 5: that I'm giving it that makes it strong. That's the
Speaker 5: only way I could describe it. It's like this world,
Speaker 5: for some reason, you have a power in it, and
Speaker 5: the only way to take that power from you is
Speaker 5: keep you very scared. You know, once you're not scared,
Speaker 5: these things do not come near you. And if they
Speaker 5: do come near you, you just know that there's nothing
Speaker 5: they can do to you. The situation's over. It took
Speaker 5: a long time to realize this, you know. And it
Speaker 5: just took me giving up basically saying like you can't
Speaker 5: really hurt me or scare me anymore.
Speaker 4: Like I don't care they're not hurting you, because you'll
Speaker 4: eventually wake up again back in three D world and
Speaker 4: it's okay. So you start to trust it a little
Speaker 4: bit that you're not able to hurt me. You know.
Speaker 4: It's funny how this is through a lot of different
Speaker 4: folklore throughout history, and even in horror movies. Oftentimes your
Speaker 4: fear gives the strength to the monster, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: It's exactly like that. Once you let go of these things,
Speaker 5: things change and you start to get a completely different perspective.
Speaker 5: So there's many times entities would come to me in
Speaker 5: the middle of the night and they just look like
Speaker 5: big shadows, and when they come into the room, it
Speaker 5: feels like you're suffocating. It's like it rolls up on
Speaker 5: your chest and you can't breathe. It's like there's a
Speaker 5: weight to whatever this thing is, and sometimes you fight it,
Speaker 5: but sometimes things change. So there there's opportunities where this
Speaker 5: thing would come in and instead of being scared, I
Speaker 5: embrace it. Let's say it jumps up on your body
Speaker 5: and it's suffocating you. Instead of trying to like struggle
Speaker 5: and push it off, I wrap my arms around it
Speaker 5: and just, you know, welcome, and this thing just kind
Speaker 5: of transforms. It's almost like a piece of you is returned.
Speaker 5: It's the weirdest thing. And from a shamanic perspective, it's
Speaker 5: like when you go through trauma in life, a piece
Speaker 5: of you gets broken off, and that piece of you
Speaker 5: grows in the astral world and it could become a
Speaker 5: monster because it's a damaged piece of you. And then
Speaker 5: it tries to come back to you and you say, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: you're scary. I don't want this trauma. I don't want
Speaker 5: this piece of myself returning. And then suddenly you say,
Speaker 5: you know what, I realized. This is a piece of
Speaker 5: myself and it's hurt and it's damaged, and this is
Speaker 5: why it's coming in this distorted form. And then you
Speaker 5: realize that, and then it joins back with you and
Speaker 5: suddenly you're like, it's almost like you've gained this part
Speaker 5: of yourself that you've been missing for so long. It's
Speaker 5: a beautiful experience.
Speaker 4: It's incredible, Jason, it really is. We're going to take
Speaker 4: another quick break. We're gonna come back. We're going to
Speaker 4: talk more to Jason about these incredible experiences he's had.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Speaker 4: one of the fastest Beyond Contact episodes I can recall,
Speaker 4: because Jason is talking about this fascinating experience he has
Speaker 4: with these beings. Jason, why don't you go ahead and
Speaker 4: pick it up and just keep going with what you're
Speaker 4: telling us?
Speaker 5: Sure, so we are taught to kind of see things
Speaker 5: in a certain way, and I'm telling you that things
Speaker 5: are very different and it takes time to understand and
Speaker 5: learn and navigate these worlds, you know. And we were
Speaker 5: just talking about entities. There was this one time, this
Speaker 5: big entity came in the middle of the night, very suffocating,
Speaker 5: very dark. First, in my mind, I went right into
Speaker 5: that kind of shamanic mode of healer. It's like I
Speaker 5: just knew that whatever this thing was, that he needed healing,
Speaker 5: and so I was just in my mind consciously sending
Speaker 5: it healing and love. It took a couple of minutes,
Speaker 5: but suddenly this entity just kind of proof went away.
Speaker 5: And then I saw like it was a friend of mine.
Speaker 5: It was a very close friend of mine, and they
Speaker 5: were on the floor crying, and I realized that this
Speaker 5: was a broken or a traumatized piece of them that
Speaker 5: was coming to me for assistance. You know, most people
Speaker 5: when they see these things or encounter these things, it's
Speaker 5: automatic fear, it's automatic getaway, automatic call the higher powers
Speaker 5: to deal with this. And for me, it's this kind
Speaker 5: of shamanic work that these things are aspects of ourselves
Speaker 5: or family, our friends. You can call it thought, projections, emotions,
Speaker 5: spiritual pieces that have been broken that need mending. And
Speaker 5: this is a very ancient practice, which I think is
Speaker 5: true shamanism, to kind of heal that aspect in a
Speaker 5: way where it can go back and integrate within that person.
Speaker 5: But the way that I got into the UFO field, okay,
Speaker 5: because you know, these stories are all great, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of teachings in these stories and these experiences. But
Speaker 5: the way that I got into the UFO community and
Speaker 5: why I started talking with you, is because as I
Speaker 5: was having these out of body experiences, one they reminded
Speaker 5: me step by step of contact experiences. And in the
Speaker 5: beginning when I started to learn about this world, I
Speaker 5: was getting visited by many beings that would be described
Speaker 5: in the UFO community. The first beings that I came to,
Speaker 5: they kind of look like the predator effect. It's almost
Speaker 5: like you see the form but yes, yeah, so you
Speaker 5: see like the outline of them, and they come into
Speaker 5: the room and you just see this kind of like
Speaker 5: kind of shimmering glow, but you see through them, and
Speaker 5: they weren't shadows. They were this kind of other thing.
Speaker 5: And the predator effect is exactly what it looked like.
Speaker 5: And these beings would basically take me into different timelines,
Speaker 5: so I'd be like timeline jumping with them, and they
Speaker 5: were showing me like the most god awful things you
Speaker 5: could ever think of. So I obviously didn't like those experiences.
Speaker 5: And then after there's these other beings that would come
Speaker 5: to see me which were completely bizarre, and I started
Speaker 5: to be visited by things that are like praying mantises,
Speaker 5: these giant insectoid things, and some of them were so
Speaker 5: large where I would experience them coming into the room.
Speaker 5: They'd have to kind of like literally bend their head
Speaker 5: under the door to kind of enter the bedroom to
Speaker 5: come and see me, and they would speak to me
Speaker 5: in their language, which is like clicking and chirping, and
Speaker 5: I'd hear all this clicking and chirping in my head.
Speaker 5: They have no boundaries, these things. They're not like humans,
Speaker 5: so they would kind of stick their face like right
Speaker 5: in front of your face, and their heads are much
Speaker 5: bigger than yours, so they'd be looking at you and
Speaker 5: you hear this clicking and stuff. You can't even describe
Speaker 5: it in your head.
Speaker 4: How are you not screaming in terror from such a thing.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. There's one time I
Speaker 5: tried to hit it with a pillow, but you know,
Speaker 5: you're out of your body. It's not the same, you know.
Speaker 5: The only thing I would do is I would say,
Speaker 5: like in my mind, like kind of telepathically, I'd be like,
Speaker 5: I can't understand you. I don't know what you're saying
Speaker 5: to me, like speak English, Like I kept saying, speak
Speaker 5: in English. I don't understand these clicks and these noises
Speaker 5: that you're sending to me. I don't understand it. It
Speaker 5: almost looks like their faces become kind of shocked. They
Speaker 5: kind of like pull back their head and look at
Speaker 5: you like now I'm speaking to them, like it didn't
Speaker 5: make any sense to them, and then they would just
Speaker 5: turn around and walk out. So these are like very
Speaker 5: strange experiences, Jason.
Speaker 4: They are incredible experiences, and it reminds me of how,
Speaker 4: you know, none of us know how to define any
Speaker 4: of this, because this is I always say that we're
Speaker 4: dealing with an unknown here. So some people would call
Speaker 4: this an alien, some people would call this, you know,
Speaker 4: a demon. As you mentioned earlier, do you have a
Speaker 4: guess as to what these beings could be?
Speaker 5: I've had beings actually tell me where they come from.
Speaker 5: And it's very interesting because you know how we of
Speaker 5: the show and saying like, okay, you have an aftral body,
Speaker 5: for example, and that actual body disconnects from the physical
Speaker 5: world and it can travel. Well, you know, if there's
Speaker 5: intelligent life and other planets or even you know, any
Speaker 5: physical forms, what is stopping them from having the same
Speaker 5: experiences as us. You know, I've had a being come
Speaker 5: to me and it's a would be a very menacing,
Speaker 5: scary being to a lot of people. But let's say,
Speaker 5: you know, I had an experience with a reptilian. We
Speaker 5: hear lots about these type of beings, but this being
Speaker 5: came to me and I asked, you know where you from?
Speaker 5: You know where are you're coming from? And they said
Speaker 5: they're coming from some place near the Sagittarius constellation. And
Speaker 5: the way that it was explained to me is like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm leaving my body. I can go visit
Speaker 5: them in their world. They can leave their body, they
Speaker 5: can come visit us here.
Speaker 4: Okay, But then they're techinitely an alien because they're saying
Speaker 4: they're on another planet in our known universe. They're telling you, right,
Speaker 4: we're from right over there. So it's not an inter
Speaker 4: dimensional thing according to this account anyway, Right, they are
Speaker 4: in our physical universe. They're just traveling.
Speaker 5: They're not traveling. Yes, they're traveling consciously. They're using their
Speaker 5: astral body, just as the way they.
Speaker 4: Sound like they would have a physical body on that
Speaker 4: planet in our known universe. Absolutely interesting take on this
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, I'm going we don't really need spaceships
Speaker 5: to we need spaceships to travel physically, but in the
Speaker 5: grander scheme of the universe, there's this other way of
Speaker 5: traveling to visit other worlds and visit other beings.
Speaker 4: And that's I say, I want some physics and that
Speaker 4: whole thing of you know, the interconnectedness of all these
Speaker 4: atoms and things. It's incredible.
Speaker 5: There was this one experience where and it was an
Speaker 5: extremely beautiful experience. You know, I woke up one night
Speaker 5: and there was this this being I call it being
Speaker 5: and not an entity, it's a being and it was
Speaker 5: just sitting in the bedroom with me. It was beautiful.
Speaker 5: It looked like kind of like a humanish gray alien.
Speaker 5: That's all I can say. It wasn't like a gray alien.
Speaker 5: It had gray alien features, but it was more human
Speaker 5: than not, and it was transparent like a spirit, and
Speaker 5: it had like a glowing golden aura and silver aura
Speaker 5: around it, like it was just beautiful, and it just
Speaker 5: kind of like spent time in the room with me
Speaker 5: and just kind of I just felt this incredible love
Speaker 5: from it. And I was trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 5: what was going on and why this was attracted to me.
Speaker 5: And it was a bracelet I was wearing, and I
Speaker 5: was wearing this copper and zinc bracelet and it said
Speaker 5: that that copper and zinc frequency is very similar to
Speaker 5: their frequency and that's how they can connect with me.
Speaker 5: So it was like an anchor and time and space
Speaker 5: that when I was wearing it, they can come and visit.
Speaker 4: Oh MyD me, Jason. I was just taking off all
Speaker 4: of my jewelry, my bracelets, and anything even close to
Speaker 4: those two materials. I'm putting those in my trash and
Speaker 4: I'll be taking them out immediately. Fell on the show anyway.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Uh, it's all good. But That's what I'm
Speaker 5: trying to say, is that we have these kind of
Speaker 5: alien encounters. And yes, I've had I've had one gray experience,
Speaker 5: which I'm still kicking myself to this day, like I'm
Speaker 5: so mad at myself because when I was in Japan
Speaker 5: when this happened, and you know, I wake up in
Speaker 5: the outer body state, and because of my shamanic teachings,
Speaker 5: for me, it's I know I'm in this altered state.
Speaker 5: I know that I'm leaving my body. So when you
Speaker 5: leave the body, suddenly you're in this new world and
Speaker 5: there's right there in front of you, you know, and
Speaker 5: if you've never experienced this, you would literally feel like
Speaker 5: you are physically feeling this. But I know I'm in
Speaker 5: that altered state experiencing this. So I feel something enter
Speaker 5: the room. I pop out and there's this gray alien
Speaker 5: which is the only way I could describe it because
Speaker 5: it's exactly what it looked like in the movies, and
Speaker 5: just standing at the edge of my bed, and immediately
Speaker 5: once it saw that I was looking at it, I
Speaker 5: got this telepathic message. It said, I am a short
Speaker 5: old man, That's what it said to me. And I
Speaker 5: just said right back to.
Speaker 4: Have to go.
Speaker 5: No, you're not, You're a gray alien, and it just
Speaker 5: kind of looked at me and again just turned and
Speaker 5: walked out of the room and that was the end
Speaker 5: of the experience.
Speaker 4: You could have said, I'm a tall young man.
Speaker 5: That's right, I could listen.
Speaker 4: I can do three more hours with you. I really
Speaker 4: appreciate you genuinely sharing all of this with us. It
Speaker 4: felt very real to me and very very genuine, and
Speaker 4: I really really appreciate that. I'm sure everyone listening does
Speaker 4: as well. You can find Jason at the crystalsun dot com.
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