1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Jason Quitt. Jason's been studying 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: various modalities and spiritual practices from teachers from around the world. 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: From his auto body experiences, Jason has received information on 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 4: numerous energetic systems of healing and spiritual development. He has 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: had various contacts from a wide variety of beings which 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: will be getting into today, and he has continued his 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: journey into the ancient systems of mysticism, metaphysics, wellness and 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: shamanism to this day. Most importantly, he is genuinely a 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 4: super super nice guy, probably because he's Canadian. Hey, Boddy, 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: good seeing you, Jason, how are you. 26 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 5: I'm good, good to see you too, and happy to 27 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 5: be here finally and having this conversation with. 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: You in snow filled Canada right now. 29 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 5: Huh it's cold, absolutely yeah. 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 4: So Jason, you know your work is in a vast 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: range of areas, like I just mentioned on the intro there, 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: from spirituality to mysticism, metaphysics. But you know this show 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: we try to focus on UFOs and alien and I 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: know that you've looked into these phenomenon as well, because 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: you and I have discussed them in the past. So 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: if there was this catastrophe and a world leader gets 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 4: stuck on an elevator with Jason Quitt knowing nothing about 38 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: this subject, and he asked you, so, what's behind the 39 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: UFO phenomenon? What would you tell him? 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 5: I would say that we need to figure out what 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: the UFO phenomenon is and put it into different categories. 42 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 5: And I think this is where people get tripped up 43 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 5: in this community, is that there's so much going on 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 5: in this phenomenon and it all kind of gets pushed 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: all together in this one big ball of this is 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 5: what the UFO phenomenon is. After many, many years of 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 5: experiences and you know, hearing and studying all these different 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 5: sightings anything from experiencers to government whistleblowers and things like this, 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 5: I found that we need to kind of like place 50 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 5: things in certain categories. You know, going back many years, 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: there's always been this kind of conflict between experiencers and 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 5: the nuts and bolts technological things of you know, what 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 5: we see in the sky, is it a metallic ship? 54 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: Is it? 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: You know? What is this technology? So what I would 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 5: say to people is that we have to kind of 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 5: look at each event as their own unique thing, and 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 5: then we can put it into their categories or into 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: their filing cabinet. You know, I've had experiences typical experiences 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: where you know, you could observe something physically in the air, 61 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 5: and I've been a witness to these events with people 62 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 5: around me up in Canada, here, we get a lot 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 5: of these sightings. In fact, one of the two best 64 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 5: sightings I've ever had were just right by my house here. 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 5: And I live by a lake. It's called Lake Simcoe 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: out in Ontario. Before I even moved out here, I 67 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 5: went to a festival. There was a concert out here 68 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 5: on the lake and it was late at night, and 69 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 5: you know, everybody was done and the concert was over, 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: and the roadies, you know, they're putting the equipment away 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: and we're still out by the lake and over the 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 5: lake this it looked like this gigantic plasma ship. It 73 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: was deep orange red, like this glowing big orb moving 74 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 5: slowly over the water. And you know, I'm just my 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 5: girlfriend at the time, which was now my wife. She 76 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 5: went to use the washroom. So I'm standing by the 77 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 5: stage and I'm watching this thing go over the water 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: and it just fades out. It's like a you know 79 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 5: when you have like a dimmer switch on your lighting system. 80 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 5: It just dimmed out and then gone like it just 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: completely disappeared in front of our eyes. I remember the 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 5: one of the roadies was just near me and he 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 5: looked right at me and he's like, did we just 84 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 5: see a UFO? And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 5: we just saw something like a UFO, because that was 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 5: probably the coolest UFO I've ever seen, like this big 87 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: glowing orb and it just like just disappeared. And my 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 5: thought at the time was like, if it was close 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 5: enough and I had like a stone in my hand 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: and I threw the stone, it would just go right 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 5: through this thing. So you know, what is that phenomenon? 92 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 5: And then later when my wife and I we moved 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 5: up here, so this is many years after that incident. 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 5: You know, we're driving back home from a friends around 95 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: Christmas time, and so it's all snowy, it's late at night, 96 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 5: there's really no one on the road, and on the 97 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 5: left side of the driving side of the car, over 98 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 5: the forest, we see this craft that could only be 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 5: described as the classic what was it called the Triangle 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 5: and the teeth three b oh sure, yeah, you know, 101 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 5: And it was completely silent, It was hovering, It was 102 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 5: moving very very slowly. It had the three lights and 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 5: the light in the center. I believe the lights around 104 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 5: it were white, so three white lights and a red 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: light in the middle, and it hovered over the forest 106 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 5: and me and my wife just were at the stop 107 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 5: and we're looking at this thing and we just can't 108 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 5: believe that this is what we're looking I'm like, okay, 109 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 5: we're going to follow it. So we started to follow 110 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 5: it down the road. 111 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: The last thing that I would do. 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: And by the way, we were following it and it 113 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 5: kind of curved around the city and we just kind 114 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 5: of we lost it. But it was like wow. In 115 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 5: my thought at that time is you know, this is 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 5: a technology. Like it literally looked like a ship, you know, 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 5: made with nuts and bolts. This is a real thing. 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 5: If I threw a stone at it, it would hit it, 119 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 5: it would bounce off. So in that category, I didn't 120 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 5: think that it was like an alien or UFO. My 121 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 5: only thought was this is some type of man made technology, 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 5: some type of military craft, or something that we don't 123 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: know about, because it was so physical, it was so 124 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 5: in front of you, and it had technology that we 125 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 5: don't know yet. And so if someone said to me, 126 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 5: that's an alien, I would say, well, I wouldn't go 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: that far. This looks definitely like a man made thing. 128 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 5: That's how close it was for me to see it. 129 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: You know, everybody will say, well, why didn't you take 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 5: a picture, Well, I was driving my car, you know, 131 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 5: and it was it was late, and it was only 132 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 5: for a very short time that we were able to 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: see this. And the funny thing is I did take 134 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: pictures of the orb one over the lake. Such a 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 5: weird thing because once I went back to the picture, 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 5: it just looked like a little red speck in my 137 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 5: phone pictures, like a black night sky with like a 138 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: red speck. There's nothing that would say that this is 139 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 5: a UFO. It could be absolutely anything, you know. So 140 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: it's very frustrating. And I'm a photographer, like I love photography, 141 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 5: I love videos, so I know that if I point 142 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: this camera up, it's not going to shoot anything. So 143 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 5: there is there is a frustration to this. And you 144 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 5: know now that I'm reminiscing, there was a time we 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: went to go visit friends out at the cottage by 146 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 5: another story by the lake, and it's late at night 147 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: and we're all sitting at the dock. Most of these 148 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 5: people aren't into UFOs whatsoever, right, And we're sitting on 149 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 5: this dock and there's a star in the sky. You know, 150 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 5: there's no clouds at all. There's a star in the 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 5: sky that was so bright that it basically bathed all 152 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 5: of us in this blue light, and it was so amazing, 153 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 5: Like even my friends would say, Wow, this is a 154 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 5: really bright star, and we're like, yeah, this is a 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: really bright sky. It looked like a spotlight was on 156 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 5: us on this dock by the lake, and we're sitting 157 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: and just talking. We're we don't even really tune into 158 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 5: this is something other than a star. And then it's 159 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 5: just turned off, like just someone just flipped the switch, 160 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 5: and then there's no more and there's no clouds in 161 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: the sky, and we kind of all look at each 162 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: other kind of dumbfoundly, like what just happened? Like this 163 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 5: beautiful light was with us for it seemed like at 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 5: least ten minutes, and then suddenly it's not there in 165 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 5: the sky. Very very strange. So for me, there is 166 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: this UFO phenomenon, undoubtedly, and you know, we've experienced it 167 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 5: multiple times on a level that we can't explain any 168 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 5: of it. So this is why we have this intrigue 169 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 5: in phenomena, because the phenomenon is happening. It's happening to individuals, 170 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: and it's happening to groups of individuals like you know, 171 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 5: being out with your friends and seeing these things. But 172 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 5: how I got connected to you, how I got connected 173 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 5: to this community is a whole other kin of worms. 174 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: It's a whole other story. I would say about around 175 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 5: two thousand and two, so we're going back over twenty 176 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 5: years now. I started to have these experiences, these spiritual experiences, 177 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: out of body experiences. From the perspective that I was 178 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 5: in at that time, this was spiritual. It had nothing 179 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: to do with UFOs, it had nothing to do with aliens. 180 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: And I was having these kind of shamanic experiences of 181 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 5: journeying out of the body, going into different timelines, remembering 182 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 5: past lives. So for me, it was a very shamanic 183 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: type experience. And I started to have sleep paralysis, and 184 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 5: that's what really got me out of my body was 185 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: sleep paralysis, which many people experience being or waking up 186 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: in the middle of the night having their body frozen, 187 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 5: and it's a quite terrible flying experience. Basically, you wake 188 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: up in the middle of the night, completely frozen, paralyzed, 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 5: you cannot move, You may hear very strange sounds, like 190 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: mechanical sounds, you may see lights, and you're basically screaming 191 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 5: in your mind to wake up, move a finger, move 192 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 5: an arm, get out of whatever this is. This is 193 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: it doesn't feel good. And you know, one night, I 194 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 5: just couldn't take that experience anymore. And I was trying 195 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 5: to wake myself up, and I'm shaking violently in my 196 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: body to you know, wake up, wake up. 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: Wake up. 198 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 5: And I shook so hard, popped myself out of my 199 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 5: body and it was the first out of body experience 200 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 5: through the sleep paralysis. 201 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 4: We're going to need to take a quick break right here, Jason. 202 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to come back with asked Jason, what else 203 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: that could have been? You're listening to Beyond Contact right 204 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 205 00:10:50,920 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking 206 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: to Jason Quick and he's had these out of body experiences. Hey, Jason, 207 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes sleep paralysis you were referring to is 208 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 4: associated with alien abduction phenomenon, and oftentimes people that don't 209 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: believe in such a thing think that maybe what's happening 210 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: to these people who claim to have had an alien experience? 211 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: How do you make that distinction that this wasn't just 212 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: sleep paralysis and something going on? How do you know 213 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: that you popped yourself out of reality, and how do 214 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: you know that that's what happened here? 215 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't the first time. So I first popped 216 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 5: out and as I wrote, to my ceiling, which many 217 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 5: people describe in near death experiences. So I found myself 218 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 5: on my ceiling looking down at my body in the bed, 219 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 5: which was quite a terrifying experience. It's also quite a 220 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 5: sobering experience. And I call this the cosmic slap. It's 221 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 5: like an undeniable feeling that you know immediately that you 222 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 5: are more than a physical body. Did I just kill myself? 223 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 5: A dead? 224 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: Other words, you feel like you have a soul or 225 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: a consciousness or something bigger than your just your physical avatar, 226 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: if you will. Is that correct? 227 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: Correct? It's a moment of realization of separation. You are 228 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 5: in a body, you can call it the spirit body 229 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: or astral body, whatever that conscious body is. You are 230 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 5: that body in that instant, and you're experiencing that body, 231 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 5: which is not your physical body, and you're looking down 232 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 5: and experiencing being outside your physical body, and you literally 233 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: see your fas coal body in the bed. 234 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 4: This is what we also hear from near death experiencers. 235 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 4: Oftentimes they're on the surgery table, they rise above their body, 236 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: they see the surgeon doing something to them, right, same 237 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 4: sort of thing exactly. 238 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 5: So it's very fearful immediately because, like I say, it's 239 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 5: like a slap of reality. You immediately understand. 240 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: The lap of reality. It feels like it's a slap 241 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 4: of a whole new reality. Ye right, I mean it's 242 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: like this whole different frame of reference for what your 243 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: life is. 244 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, so you gain a very different dimension, a dimensional 245 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 5: experience of this reality. When you were talking about alien experiences, 246 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 5: I understand that feeling because when I was put in 247 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 5: these sleep paralysis experiences, I felt like I wasn't alone. 248 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 5: I can feel something walking around the room with me. 249 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 5: At some times, I can feel something sitting on the 250 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 5: bed and it's a physical feeling, like you can feel 251 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 5: somebody walking in the room, and when they sit on 252 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 5: the bed, you feel the impression of the mattress, like 253 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 5: something is there with you. We're talking two thousand and 254 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 5: two here, So there is no YouTube to watch videos 255 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: of people, you know, I actually went to the library 256 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 5: to try to find some books. At that moment in time, 257 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 5: you go to what's culturally acceptable, like what's in pop culture, 258 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 5: which is alien abduction or demon possession. There's really like 259 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 5: no other two avenues of what's going on in your 260 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 5: bedroom in the middle of the night. It's either alien 261 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: abduction or demons. You know. I say this a lot, 262 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 5: but I became very religious, very quickly. I started to 263 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 5: pray to any god that would help the situation. You 264 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 5: become very very religious because you're afraid you don't know 265 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 5: what's happening, and there's clearly something happening. So I completely 266 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: understand where someone would go into those avenues of alien 267 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: abduction or demon possession or things of that nature. But 268 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: what scared me the most so I'm above the bed, 269 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: I'm looking at myself on the bed else like, I 270 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: was straight as a board on my back, hands by 271 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 5: my side, and my eyes were wide open. So it 272 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: was a freaky looking Jason on that bed and awake, 273 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: consciously awake, out of my body, freaking out. I then 274 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: immediately realized I wasn't alone in this room, And as 275 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: I got brave enough, I looked at the foot of 276 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: my bed and there was a very tall being standing 277 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 5: at the foot of my bed, and it just looked 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 5: like a very tall shadow, like a cloaked being, but 279 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 5: it had form, like it wasn't like a shadow you 280 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 5: can see through. It was a form. It's exactly what 281 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 5: we see as like say, like the Grim Reaper, but 282 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: without the sickle. So it's just this big shadow, this 283 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 5: big cloaked being. And you know that scared me so much. 284 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 5: I got so scared because you think, like, Okay, I 285 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 5: just died out of my body. See myself in bed, 286 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 5: there's this grim Reaper looking thing standing at the foot 287 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,479 Speaker 5: of my bed. I'm clearly dead. 288 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,119 Speaker 4: How do you not immediately pop out of sleep paralysis 289 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: and head for the men's room, because that's what I 290 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: would Probably. 291 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,359 Speaker 5: You're kind of confused and amazed. There is an amazement 292 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: part about this, you know. And you hear this a 293 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 5: lot with experiencers. They all say the same thing. It 294 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: feels more real than real life. Wow, you know. So 295 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 5: that's why I say it's a dose of reality. It's 296 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 5: this cosmic slap where it's like, you know, what you're 297 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: experiencing is real. In fact, it feels more real than 298 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 5: what you're experiencing in life. So I got so scared. 299 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: I got sucked back into my body and I woke up. 300 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 5: Heart is pounding out of my chest obviously, and I 301 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: just could not believe what I just experienced. Now, after 302 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 5: that experience, I'd never had sleep paralysis again in that way. 303 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: And when I mean that way, I didn't have control 304 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 5: over my sleep paralysis. It would just come in a 305 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 5: wave and I'd be stuck in it. Now because it 306 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 5: was such an incredible experience, even though it was terrifying, 307 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: there was something inside of me that's said, I need 308 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 5: to do everything that's possible to do this again. 309 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: So such a profound experience. This is how you separated 310 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: from it was a dream where it was something else 311 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: because it was so overwhelming. You're saying that you believe 312 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: at your core that it's true. 313 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely so, because it was so life shatteringly amazing 314 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 5: in the sense that this was something that is definitely 315 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 5: in my mind. It was never a dream. It was 316 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 5: not a hallucination. This was an act of experience, and 317 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 5: it's an active experience that people have had throughout human history. 318 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't matter what you believe, what culture 319 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 5: you're from, or what time of history you're from, people 320 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 5: have had this. So for me, it's a human experience. 321 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 5: You know, every like I say, everybody is going to 322 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 5: experience this in their life. 323 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: Well, there's no doubt that this has been either through 324 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: they name it different things, though it's oftentimes near death 325 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 4: experiences throughout history people claim to have had that sounds 326 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: very similar to what you experienced. That's the whole notion 327 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: of the soul, that there's a higher part of us 328 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: that's just occupying this avatar. So all of that ties 329 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 4: into you know, what we've heard throughout human history exactly. 330 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 5: And so I went the shamanic path. I went into 331 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 5: the healing world, and I sought out different teachers and 332 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 5: shawmans to try to help me explain this new world 333 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 5: and help me navigate it. All I wanted to do 334 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: was go back. So I started to do meditations and 335 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: cheegong and all these things, and I found that it's 336 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: almost like once you open the door, the door has opened. 337 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 4: Is it like what we're saying, it was more real 338 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: than reality. It felt so good to you that you 339 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: want to do it again. 340 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of like this curiosity, this overwhelming curiosity 341 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: of the phenomenon or the experience that you just got 342 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: a taste of something. 343 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: Did you want to prove to yourself that it did 344 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: in fact happen, or were you already convinced of that. 345 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: No, there was no doubt in my mind that it 346 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 5: was real. 347 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: Okay. 348 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 5: The only thing in my mind was how do I 349 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 5: go back? And back then, you know, I was still 350 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 5: at my mother's house. I didn't have a girlfriend. You know, 351 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 5: I had lots of time to figure stuff out. Now 352 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: it's more difficult when you have a family and you 353 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 5: have things you have to do. But back then, all 354 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 5: that was on my mind was trying to get back there. 355 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 5: And so I saw meditation, sought spiritual teachers, and I 356 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 5: found that I could put myself back into the sleep 357 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 5: Proalyss estate through meditation. When I say meditation, all it 358 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 5: means is going to sleep at night, but keeping my 359 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 5: mind active and aware. It's almost like your mind is awake. 360 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 5: And then you're meditating and you're being aware of the 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 5: body process of shutting down. That's the only way I 362 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 5: can explain it. You're becoming aware of the sleep process 363 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: of your body shutting down, and then there's this window 364 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 5: where you feel your body kind of goes to sleep. 365 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 5: It's almost like you get this kind of warming, numbing 366 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 5: sensation and it's like once you kind of feel this. 367 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 5: Then it's almost like you're switching from one world to 368 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: the other world, and in that transition you can have 369 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 5: this pop out experience where you can have this astral 370 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 5: travel or just kind of pop out of this dimension 371 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: the three D reality. 372 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 4: This sounds awesome. I hate to say it reminds me 373 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: of people's giving their accounts of believe they or not 374 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: doing Heroin, where they said that it was so much 375 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 4: better than their reality that they wanted to do it again. 376 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: Not advocating for Heroin, just saying that I've heard those 377 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: accounts before. When we come back, we're going to talk 378 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: to Jason more about this experience and what he thinks 379 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: these beings could be and where they might be coming from. 380 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio at Coast 381 00:20:47,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on 382 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact talking to Jason Quit. Jason, go ahead, pick 383 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: it up. Where you're talking about your experience heading into nighttime, 384 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 4: you're going to go to sleep. What happens? 385 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically, there is a we call it the 386 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 5: space in between, and it's the space in between waking 387 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: and dreaming and as you kind of go into that awareness. 388 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 5: It's like an altered state. You can say you're falling 389 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 5: asleep and you're witnessing your body going to sleep through meditation, 390 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 5: staying aware of all the feelings, everything that's happening. And 391 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 5: then once your body kind of feels this kind of 392 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 5: warmth and this vibration going through it, it's almost like 393 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 5: you are in this window of popping out of time 394 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: and space. And there's many ways of doing it with 395 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 5: astral travel. There's a method called the rollout inside your 396 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 5: body kind of roll out or push yourself out, but 397 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 5: it's not really a push. It's more like a will. 398 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: You will yourself out. And the only way I could 399 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 5: describe it is when you drop out of this world 400 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 5: or when you drop out of this dimension, you have 401 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 5: another body within your body. So your body becomes like 402 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 5: your sarcophagus. It's like a tomb. And so as that 403 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 5: body goes to sleep, suddenly this other body inside of 404 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: you wakes up. We can call it the astral body, 405 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 5: the spiritual body, whatever name we choose, but this body 406 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 5: could move. You find yourself in another body inside your body, 407 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 5: and you can actually move around. So this is where 408 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: the rollout method comes in handy because you're in the body, 409 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 5: You've already dropped into this other body, and then you 410 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 5: push yourself out or roll out through your back. Then 411 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 5: you're out and you're in the astral world or spiritual world. 412 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: I don't even know what kind of definition to give it, 413 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 5: but people understand when I say astral world. For me, 414 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: it's like another dimension because it's not really your bedroom. 415 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: So it's like I pop out and I see my bedroom. 416 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 5: But if you stay there long enough, things are going 417 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 5: to get distorted. I don't understand. 418 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like in another plane another I mean I 419 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 4: follow you believe it or not, I know what you're saying. 420 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: I mean this is it's got to be an incredible experience. 421 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 5: Yes, And that's why I kept trying to navigate it. 422 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 5: I kept trying to figure it out. It's like, you know, 423 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 5: you're becoming an explorer to this new world that you've 424 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 5: just woken up to, and it's not like you leave 425 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 5: your body and you're enlightened. You have no clue what's 426 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 5: going on. You have no clue where you are, and 427 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: the only way you're going to know is by keep 428 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 5: going further and further. 429 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: Jason, I was wondering it sounds also it's very reminiscent 430 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 4: of ayahuasca. Actually, how people say that they transition to 431 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 4: this other place, and many of us are afraid to 432 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: even make that journey. I'm surprised that you weren't more 433 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: apprehensive about even trying to dare go to this space 434 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: because it sounds like a scary reality. 435 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 5: Almost, yes, and you learn very fast that it is 436 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 5: a scary reality. And you know, I laugh today, but 437 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 5: it caused years of problems, you know, I'm talking about 438 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 5: it now twenty years after sure, right, and I still 439 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 5: have these experiences, but it comes from a completely different 440 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: place of understanding. As I was going through it, I 441 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 5: always caution people because when you leave your body, there 442 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 5: are other things that inhabit that space that are not nice, 443 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 5: all right, So you have to kind of learn how 444 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 5: to fight. And I'm not saying this lightly, like you 445 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 5: literally have to understand that there are things there that 446 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: want to get at you, all right. And I think 447 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 5: this is kind of like the whole philosophy of where 448 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 5: like demon possession comes from, or entities or things of 449 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 5: this nature. It's almost like a neo waking up in 450 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 5: the matrix. I popped out and I started to explore 451 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 5: and because of that, now I'm getting visitation by entities. 452 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 5: So now I become aware that this world is inhabited 453 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 5: by something else, and it's many something else's it's not 454 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 5: just one thing. And there is no names for these 455 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 5: things that I can give you. I don't know. But 456 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: there was a time when I first started doing this 457 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 5: where these things would come in the middle of the 458 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 5: night and try to pull me out of my body. 459 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: Like it's very scary. You'll feel something come into the 460 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 5: room and then grab you, but they're not grabbing your 461 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 5: physical body. It's like they're reaching into your body and 462 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 5: trying to pull you out of it. 463 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 4: You go to this other plane of existence, let's call it, 464 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 4: because I don't know how to possibly describe this, and 465 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: it's almost like the beings that you've interacted with in 466 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: that existence now are coming over to our reality trying 467 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: to get you to come back to join them again. 468 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 5: Right, yes, But for me, you know, it feels like 469 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 5: they were trying to pull me or push me out 470 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 5: of my body, which is not a good feeling. So 471 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: I had to kind of like fight like hell to 472 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: kind of stop this from occurring. And a lot of 473 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 5: people experience things like this and it's very scary, very traumatizing, 474 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 5: and this is why people turn to God very quickly, 475 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 5: because it's like, whatever this was, I'm having none of it. 476 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: You know. 477 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: It's one thing if Jason decides, Hey, I want to 478 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: go to this world, I'm going to purposely, consciously try 479 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: to experience this. It's another for them coming to get you. 480 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: That's freaking me out all over here. 481 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: Yes, because it was happening so often, I started to 482 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 5: realize that my fear of this happening actually made the 483 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 5: situation a lot worse. It's almost like the more I 484 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 5: feared it, the easier it was for them to connect 485 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 5: with me. Like, I'll tell you a really crazy experience. 486 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 5: I haven't shared this in a very very long time. 487 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 5: There was one point where I was ripped out of 488 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: my body by one of these things and it came 489 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: into the form, I swear to you, it looked exactly 490 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: like No Seratu from the old old movies. So it 491 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: was like from like the nineteen twenties No Serrat, the 492 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 5: ball big head with the big pointy ears that the things, 493 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 5: huge thing like that. Yeah, and this thing basically grabbed 494 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 5: me by the throat, ripped me out of my body, 495 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 5: put me up against the wall, and came right to 496 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 5: my face like snarling at me. And at that point, 497 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: you know, I can't swear, obviously, but I just didn't 498 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 5: give anymore. I was just done with this whole thing. 499 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: I was done being scared. And when you're done being scared, 500 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 5: something else happens to you, or you just don't care. 501 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: How do you be done being scared? I would be 502 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 4: I'd be crying in that thing's face. How do you 503 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: You're saying you were so scared your pastor. 504 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, it was happening so often that 505 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 5: it became an annoyance instead of scary. Wow, you know, 506 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 5: it's just like you're here again, Like really, I don't 507 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 5: want to I want to go to sleep. I don't 508 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 5: want to deal with any of this stuff again. So 509 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: it became not scary. It became an annoyance. Obviously, the 510 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 5: first times you are very scared, but after dealing with 511 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 5: it for a long time, it loses that value. So 512 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 5: this is what I did, and I like, hand to gut, 513 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 5: it's snarling in my face, and I'm like, oh, you're 514 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 5: so pretty, You're beautiful, and I'm grabbing its ears, and 515 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 5: I'm like massaging it in and giving like kissy faces 516 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 5: to it, and poof, it's gone, you know, just poof, 517 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 5: it's gone. And I just realized that it's the power 518 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 5: that I'm giving it that makes it strong. That's the 519 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 5: only way I could describe it. It's like this world, 520 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: for some reason, you have a power in it, and 521 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 5: the only way to take that power from you is 522 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: keep you very scared. You know, once you're not scared, 523 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 5: these things do not come near you. And if they 524 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 5: do come near you, you just know that there's nothing 525 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 5: they can do to you. The situation's over. It took 526 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 5: a long time to realize this, you know. And it 527 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 5: just took me giving up basically saying like you can't 528 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 5: really hurt me or scare me anymore. 529 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: Like I don't care they're not hurting you, because you'll 530 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: eventually wake up again back in three D world and 531 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: it's okay. So you start to trust it a little 532 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 4: bit that you're not able to hurt me. You know. 533 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: It's funny how this is through a lot of different 534 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 4: folklore throughout history, and even in horror movies. Oftentimes your 535 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: fear gives the strength to the monster, you know what 536 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 4: I mean. 537 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 5: It's exactly like that. Once you let go of these things, 538 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: things change and you start to get a completely different perspective. 539 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 5: So there's many times entities would come to me in 540 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: the middle of the night and they just look like 541 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 5: big shadows, and when they come into the room, it 542 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: feels like you're suffocating. It's like it rolls up on 543 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 5: your chest and you can't breathe. It's like there's a 544 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: weight to whatever this thing is, and sometimes you fight it, 545 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: but sometimes things change. So there there's opportunities where this 546 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 5: thing would come in and instead of being scared, I 547 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 5: embrace it. Let's say it jumps up on your body 548 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 5: and it's suffocating you. Instead of trying to like struggle 549 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 5: and push it off, I wrap my arms around it 550 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 5: and just, you know, welcome, and this thing just kind 551 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 5: of transforms. It's almost like a piece of you is returned. 552 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 5: It's the weirdest thing. And from a shamanic perspective, it's 553 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 5: like when you go through trauma in life, a piece 554 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: of you gets broken off, and that piece of you 555 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 5: grows in the astral world and it could become a 556 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: monster because it's a damaged piece of you. And then 557 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 5: it tries to come back to you and you say, no, no, no, 558 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 5: you're scary. I don't want this trauma. I don't want 559 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 5: this piece of myself returning. And then suddenly you say, 560 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 5: you know what, I realized. This is a piece of 561 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 5: myself and it's hurt and it's damaged, and this is 562 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 5: why it's coming in this distorted form. And then you 563 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 5: realize that, and then it joins back with you and 564 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 5: suddenly you're like, it's almost like you've gained this part 565 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 5: of yourself that you've been missing for so long. It's 566 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 5: a beautiful experience. 567 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 4: It's incredible, Jason, it really is. We're going to take 568 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 4: another quick break. We're gonna come back. We're going to 569 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: talk more to Jason about these incredible experiences he's had. 570 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 571 00:30:48,280 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back in 572 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: one of the fastest Beyond Contact episodes I can recall, 573 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: because Jason is talking about this fascinating experience he has 574 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 4: with these beings. Jason, why don't you go ahead and 575 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: pick it up and just keep going with what you're 576 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: telling us? 577 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 5: Sure, so we are taught to kind of see things 578 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 5: in a certain way, and I'm telling you that things 579 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 5: are very different and it takes time to understand and 580 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 5: learn and navigate these worlds, you know. And we were 581 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 5: just talking about entities. There was this one time, this 582 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 5: big entity came in the middle of the night, very suffocating, 583 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 5: very dark. First, in my mind, I went right into 584 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 5: that kind of shamanic mode of healer. It's like I 585 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 5: just knew that whatever this thing was, that he needed healing, 586 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 5: and so I was just in my mind consciously sending 587 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 5: it healing and love. It took a couple of minutes, 588 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 5: but suddenly this entity just kind of proof went away. 589 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 5: And then I saw like it was a friend of mine. 590 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 5: It was a very close friend of mine, and they 591 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 5: were on the floor crying, and I realized that this 592 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: was a broken or a traumatized piece of them that 593 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: was coming to me for assistance. You know, most people 594 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 5: when they see these things or encounter these things, it's 595 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: automatic fear, it's automatic getaway, automatic call the higher powers 596 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 5: to deal with this. And for me, it's this kind 597 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 5: of shamanic work that these things are aspects of ourselves 598 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 5: or family, our friends. You can call it thought, projections, emotions, 599 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 5: spiritual pieces that have been broken that need mending. And 600 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 5: this is a very ancient practice, which I think is 601 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 5: true shamanism, to kind of heal that aspect in a 602 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: way where it can go back and integrate within that person. 603 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 5: But the way that I got into the UFO field, okay, 604 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 5: because you know, these stories are all great, there's a 605 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 5: lot of teachings in these stories and these experiences. But 606 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 5: the way that I got into the UFO community and 607 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 5: why I started talking with you, is because as I 608 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 5: was having these out of body experiences, one they reminded 609 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 5: me step by step of contact experiences. And in the 610 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 5: beginning when I started to learn about this world, I 611 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 5: was getting visited by many beings that would be described 612 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 5: in the UFO community. The first beings that I came to, 613 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 5: they kind of look like the predator effect. It's almost 614 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 5: like you see the form but yes, yeah, so you 615 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 5: see like the outline of them, and they come into 616 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 5: the room and you just see this kind of like 617 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 5: kind of shimmering glow, but you see through them, and 618 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 5: they weren't shadows. They were this kind of other thing. 619 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 5: And the predator effect is exactly what it looked like. 620 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 5: And these beings would basically take me into different timelines, 621 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 5: so I'd be like timeline jumping with them, and they 622 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 5: were showing me like the most god awful things you 623 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 5: could ever think of. So I obviously didn't like those experiences. 624 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 5: And then after there's these other beings that would come 625 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 5: to see me which were completely bizarre, and I started 626 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 5: to be visited by things that are like praying mantises, 627 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 5: these giant insectoid things, and some of them were so 628 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 5: large where I would experience them coming into the room. 629 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 5: They'd have to kind of like literally bend their head 630 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 5: under the door to kind of enter the bedroom to 631 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 5: come and see me, and they would speak to me 632 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 5: in their language, which is like clicking and chirping, and 633 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 5: I'd hear all this clicking and chirping in my head. 634 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 5: They have no boundaries, these things. They're not like humans, 635 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 5: so they would kind of stick their face like right 636 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 5: in front of your face, and their heads are much 637 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 5: bigger than yours, so they'd be looking at you and 638 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 5: you hear this clicking and stuff. You can't even describe 639 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 5: it in your head. 640 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 4: How are you not screaming in terror from such a thing. 641 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. There's one time I 642 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 5: tried to hit it with a pillow, but you know, 643 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 5: you're out of your body. It's not the same, you know. 644 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 5: The only thing I would do is I would say, 645 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 5: like in my mind, like kind of telepathically, I'd be like, 646 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 5: I can't understand you. I don't know what you're saying 647 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 5: to me, like speak English, Like I kept saying, speak 648 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 5: in English. I don't understand these clicks and these noises 649 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 5: that you're sending to me. I don't understand it. It 650 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 5: almost looks like their faces become kind of shocked. They 651 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: kind of like pull back their head and look at 652 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 5: you like now I'm speaking to them, like it didn't 653 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 5: make any sense to them, and then they would just 654 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 5: turn around and walk out. So these are like very 655 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 5: strange experiences, Jason. 656 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 4: They are incredible experiences, and it reminds me of how, 657 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 4: you know, none of us know how to define any 658 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 4: of this, because this is I always say that we're 659 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 4: dealing with an unknown here. So some people would call 660 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 4: this an alien, some people would call this, you know, 661 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 4: a demon. As you mentioned earlier, do you have a 662 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 4: guess as to what these beings could be? 663 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 5: I've had beings actually tell me where they come from. 664 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: And it's very interesting because you know how we of 665 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 5: the show and saying like, okay, you have an aftral body, 666 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 5: for example, and that actual body disconnects from the physical 667 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 5: world and it can travel. Well, you know, if there's 668 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 5: intelligent life and other planets or even you know, any 669 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 5: physical forms, what is stopping them from having the same 670 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 5: experiences as us. You know, I've had a being come 671 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 5: to me and it's a would be a very menacing, 672 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 5: scary being to a lot of people. But let's say, 673 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 5: you know, I had an experience with a reptilian. We 674 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 5: hear lots about these type of beings, but this being 675 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 5: came to me and I asked, you know where you from? 676 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 5: You know where are you're coming from? And they said 677 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 5: they're coming from some place near the Sagittarius constellation. And 678 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 5: the way that it was explained to me is like, 679 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 5: you know, I'm leaving my body. I can go visit 680 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 5: them in their world. They can leave their body, they 681 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 5: can come visit us here. 682 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 4: Okay, But then they're techinitely an alien because they're saying 683 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 4: they're on another planet in our known universe. They're telling you, right, 684 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 4: we're from right over there. So it's not an inter 685 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 4: dimensional thing according to this account anyway, Right, they are 686 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 4: in our physical universe. They're just traveling. 687 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 5: They're not traveling. Yes, they're traveling consciously. They're using their 688 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 5: astral body, just as the way they. 689 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 4: Sound like they would have a physical body on that 690 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 4: planet in our known universe. Absolutely interesting take on this 691 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 4: whole thing. 692 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, I'm going we don't really need spaceships 693 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 5: to we need spaceships to travel physically, but in the 694 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 5: grander scheme of the universe, there's this other way of 695 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 5: traveling to visit other worlds and visit other beings. 696 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 4: And that's I say, I want some physics and that 697 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 4: whole thing of you know, the interconnectedness of all these 698 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 4: atoms and things. It's incredible. 699 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 5: There was this one experience where and it was an 700 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 5: extremely beautiful experience. You know, I woke up one night 701 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 5: and there was this this being I call it being 702 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 5: and not an entity, it's a being and it was 703 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 5: just sitting in the bedroom with me. It was beautiful. 704 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 5: It looked like kind of like a humanish gray alien. 705 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 5: That's all I can say. It wasn't like a gray alien. 706 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 5: It had gray alien features, but it was more human 707 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 5: than not, and it was transparent like a spirit, and 708 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 5: it had like a glowing golden aura and silver aura 709 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 5: around it, like it was just beautiful, and it just 710 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 5: kind of like spent time in the room with me 711 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 5: and just kind of I just felt this incredible love 712 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 5: from it. And I was trying to figure out, you know, 713 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 5: what was going on and why this was attracted to me. 714 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 5: And it was a bracelet I was wearing, and I 715 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 5: was wearing this copper and zinc bracelet and it said 716 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 5: that that copper and zinc frequency is very similar to 717 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 5: their frequency and that's how they can connect with me. 718 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 5: So it was like an anchor and time and space 719 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 5: that when I was wearing it, they can come and visit. 720 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 4: Oh MyD me, Jason. I was just taking off all 721 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 4: of my jewelry, my bracelets, and anything even close to 722 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 4: those two materials. I'm putting those in my trash and 723 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 4: I'll be taking them out immediately. Fell on the show anyway. 724 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Uh, it's all good. But That's what I'm 725 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 5: trying to say, is that we have these kind of 726 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 5: alien encounters. And yes, I've had I've had one gray experience, 727 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 5: which I'm still kicking myself to this day, like I'm 728 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 5: so mad at myself because when I was in Japan 729 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 5: when this happened, and you know, I wake up in 730 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 5: the outer body state, and because of my shamanic teachings, 731 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 5: for me, it's I know I'm in this altered state. 732 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 5: I know that I'm leaving my body. So when you 733 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 5: leave the body, suddenly you're in this new world and 734 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 5: there's right there in front of you, you know, and 735 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 5: if you've never experienced this, you would literally feel like 736 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 5: you are physically feeling this. But I know I'm in 737 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 5: that altered state experiencing this. So I feel something enter 738 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 5: the room. I pop out and there's this gray alien 739 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 5: which is the only way I could describe it because 740 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 5: it's exactly what it looked like in the movies, and 741 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 5: just standing at the edge of my bed, and immediately 742 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 5: once it saw that I was looking at it, I 743 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 5: got this telepathic message. It said, I am a short 744 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 5: old man, That's what it said to me. And I 745 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 5: just said right back to. 746 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 4: Have to go. 747 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 5: No, you're not, You're a gray alien, and it just 748 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 5: kind of looked at me and again just turned and 749 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 5: walked out of the room and that was the end 750 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 5: of the experience. 751 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: You could have said, I'm a tall young man. 752 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 5: That's right, I could listen. 753 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 4: I can do three more hours with you. I really 754 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: appreciate you genuinely sharing all of this with us. It 755 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 4: felt very real to me and very very genuine, and 756 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 4: I really really appreciate that. I'm sure everyone listening does 757 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 4: as well. You can find Jason at the crystalsun dot com. 758 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back next 759 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 4: week with an all new episode. You can follow me 760 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 4: Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron. 761 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 4: Stay connected by checking out Contact intheesert dot com. 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