1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Body bus with the Joseph's gotten More. After years of 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: spending time with the dead and their families, I learned 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: something really quick early on in my career, as a 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: matter of fact, when I was in my early twenties. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: It's a term that we use now on acronym actually kiss, 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: keep it simple, stupid, because most people that experience a 7 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: death many For many it's the first time, and even 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: more so those that experience death from a traumatic event 9 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: like gunshot wounds or stab wounds, or bludgeonings or poisonings. 10 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: It's just a lot to absorb. A hold that in 11 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: America we are almost one body of people, almost like 12 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: our own organism, and there's just so much that we 13 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: can absorb at one point in time. Over the past 14 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: month or so, we have been going through the throes 15 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: of dealing with the death of a young man, certainly 16 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 1: a young man by my standards, who stood high on stage, 17 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: and his death was not from coronary art disease. It 18 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: was not a CBA or a stroke, It wasn't pancreatic cancer, 19 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't lightning falling from the heavens. It was a 20 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: single round fired from within a range of two hundred 21 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: yards that struck him in his neck. Today, I want 22 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to have a further discussion about the murder of Charlie 23 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Kirk and what evidence might exist and what the future holes. 24 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks. Dave. You 25 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: know me pretty well. Not as well as Kimmy knows me, 26 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: but you know me pretty well, and you can pick 27 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: up many times, I'm sure on the tonality of my voice. 28 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: And no, I did not get up on the wrong 29 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: side of the bed today. I got up on the 30 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: wrong side of theet Internet. I guess which happens more frequently. 31 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I guess I'm in that and get off my lawn 32 00:02:52,760 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: phase in life, but I am Sometimes you you want 33 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: to try to stem the tide of misinformation, but many 34 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: times it seems as though you're spinning in the ocean 35 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: to raise the water level. And I've been involved in, 36 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, over the past couple of weeks, several high 37 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: profile media appearances, and I'm struck. I think by the 38 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: lack of education, the lack of understanding, and the presence 39 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: I think of malicious mercenaries is what I'll call them, 40 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: that are in dwelling out there in the blogosphere. And 41 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: everywhere else because I have to I have to imagine 42 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: that those that last named group are there solely for 43 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the purpose of reading anarchy and discord. 44 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: You go on a talk show to talk about what 45 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: actually transpired in the murder of Charlie Kirk, and people 46 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: want you to call it an assassination. If you don't 47 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: call it an assassination, Joe, they can't take you seriously. 48 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: You're dealing with the murder. How was Charlie Kirk murdered? 49 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: What took place? 50 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: And when I saw a question at a minute eight 51 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: thirty seconds into an interview you did where somebody said 52 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: he won't call it an assassination, I cannot take him seriously. 53 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: And I thought, what are your credentials? Who are you 54 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: writing this? Are you doing this from your mom's basement? 55 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: Are you doing it at the convenience store where you 56 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: keep calling out sick because you don't have any bills 57 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: to pay because your mom pays for them. You know, 58 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out who is now equal in 59 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: terms of their ability to contradict and chastise you for 60 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: whatever you say or do because you won't call it 61 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: an assassination. That's a political term. 62 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And yeah, and listen, I've tried to. 63 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I have tried to stay away from the term. It 64 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: floats around and it does not easily roll off off 65 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: of my tongue because I'm a verse to it, simply 66 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: because I have seen over the years, and there are 67 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: multiple examples of this day. When we begin to treat 68 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: transgressions against society, which are enumerated in our canon of law, 69 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: we begin to treat one individual event differently than how 70 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: it has been treated in the past relative to other events, 71 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: and designated something other than what it actually was. The 72 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: slope becomes very slippy slippery three two, the slope becomes 73 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: very slippy free. At that point in time, you lose 74 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: control of the entire in this case, I think the 75 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: control of the entire investigation. And I got to tell 76 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: you I take exception, first off, from how the investigation 77 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: started off with even cash Pattel. You know, with the 78 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: FBI demanding that we have information to release immediately. 79 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: Okay, why that is? 80 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: Explain why when an investigation begins to go, Yeah, find that. 81 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: Tell me why what he was asking for is not 82 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: something that you, as a professional investigator, would expect to 83 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: have to turn over to the public. 84 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: Well, because it is a prosecutable case, and anything that 85 00:06:53,760 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: I give to somebody that is that is a bureaucrat 86 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: and their purpose there is to is something other than 87 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: a thorough investigation that follows the traditional standard with Okay, 88 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: let's just say this. Were there any other cases in 89 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: the news that particular day where the highest ranking law 90 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: enforcement officer in the country went out and said, I 91 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: want as much information as I can get right now, 92 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know. Suddenly you begin to hear information 93 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: is being disseminated to the public and nothing has been 94 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: confirmed yet, and that's a major problem. The first thing 95 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: that you have done is, by virtue of opening your mouth, 96 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: you have put the investigators, whether they be FBI agents 97 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: or a local deputy sheriff in East Egypt, Utah, somewhere 98 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: in a position where everybody they're going to be gleaning 99 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: information from. They've got this data pouring in. You know, 100 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: the case is not Charlie's body is not even cold yet, 101 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, and they're talking about they're talking about these 102 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: things openly, and brother, it hasn't ceased. As a matter 103 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: of fact. You can go out there to one of 104 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: those beautiful mountains out there in Utah, snowcapped. It started 105 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: off on the peak with a tiny snowball, and now 106 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: this damn thing weighs about a ton and it is 107 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: plummeting towards the valley right now, and we'll be into 108 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: anybody that gets in its path if in fact, you 109 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: were to take the time to give the police time. 110 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the FBI here, all right, 111 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: because this is not an FBI case. They have been 112 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: brought in to consult on this case to take advantage 113 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: of like and since they're ERT, their Evidence Response Team, 114 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: which is a fine group of people. I've got students 115 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: that work for ERT or have been on EERT in 116 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: the past. You've got the ATF that's going to be 117 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: out there because firearms are involved, and that's all fine 118 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: and good. Praise the Lord and pass ammnition. The people 119 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: that this that are really going to be tasked with 120 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: this are going to be the state police officers from 121 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: the Utah State Police, the locals, oh and by the way, 122 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: the medical Examiner for the State of Utah. Those are 123 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: your primary actors here. And then you have the prosecutor. 124 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: And you know when the prosecutor came up pretty quickly 125 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: and gave a grave a presser. I don't know if 126 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: you remember that, and he said, we've got somebody, and 127 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to prosecute this case as a 128 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: capital case. And they knew what they had at that 129 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: particular time. I don't know if I've seen another detailed, 130 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: detailed explanation from the prosecutor. Do we know why? It's 131 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: not because he's been bought and sold? One, two, three, 132 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: what's the answer to this. It's a prosecutable case. And 133 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: he's not going to say anything else. So you know, 134 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: you can sit back and you can, you know, pull 135 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: your hair out, and you can beat your head against 136 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: the wall and you can scream at the universe. But nothing, 137 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: and I mean nothing is going to change the fact 138 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: they're going to move forward with the prosecution. Now, you're 139 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: entitled to have your opinion about it. I'm entitled to 140 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: have my opinion about it. But the way my opinion 141 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: differs is fact that I've spent time in the Mork. 142 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I spent time in the morg and I've spent time 143 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: around homicide victims, specifically people that have been shot, people 144 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: that have been shot with the high caliber weapons. And 145 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the one thing I do know is that no homicide 146 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: and no gunshot wound are exactly the same. Well, David, 147 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know if you knew this, but you know, 148 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm been working for jack State now for over a 149 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: decade as a professor, and you know, and I look 150 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: forward to the day when I can finally hang it 151 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: up and you know, sit on the beach somewhere, maybe 152 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: maybe for a couple of weeks at a time during 153 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: the year more so than I do. Now we're just 154 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: hanging out on my boat. But did you I'm going 155 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: to make a big reveal to you here, Dave. Are 156 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: you ready? 157 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: I'm ready? 158 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Okay, get ready, because I found that a potentially I 159 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: have another revenue stream. And this is amazing. It's a 160 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: revenue stream that I was not even aware of, apparently 161 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: by virtue of me making comments about the murder. We'll 162 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: say it again, murder. There you go, murder of Charlie Kirk. 163 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm now employed by the Massady. Isn't that cool? So 164 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what the retirement system is like. Do 165 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: I get a villa in Tel Aviv right on the Mediterranean? 166 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: Is that all part of the package? 167 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: Is that audio is now going to be edited Joe 168 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: that it says I am with a Masad and I 169 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: have a retirement villa, just saying. But here's the reality check. 170 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: Though this is not a game. There was a man 171 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: that was murdered in Utah on a college campus. He's 172 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: a man who has a wife and two children, and 173 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: he's gone now. He went to speak in public and 174 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: engage in conversation and somebody decided to silence that and 175 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: he was killed. To solve this crime, to make the 176 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: person who did it be held accountable, you have to 177 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: solve the crime devoid of politics. Whether you agree with 178 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: him or not, that doesn't have anything to do with it. 179 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: The one thing in the United States of America that 180 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: I have been brought up to believe in Joseph Scott 181 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: Morgan is that And for somebody who has lived in 182 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: where I've made my life by speaking words, is that 183 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: I have the right to say whatever. 184 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: I want as long as I don't incite anything. 185 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: But more than that, you have the right to say 186 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: what you want to say, and I should be willing 187 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: to defend that right to the death of your rights, 188 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: even though I don't even though I don't agree with it. 189 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: But we're not at that point anymore. 190 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: Now it's we have become a society where half the 191 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: country believes that and the other half believes if you 192 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: don't say what I want and agree with me, you 193 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: are to be silenced. 194 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: And your murder doesn't matter. You died, you should have 195 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 3: been gone. 196 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: And so in trying to solve this case, I'm tired 197 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: of the inflammatory rhetoric that has invaded this to the 198 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: point where I've seen you called out because you called 199 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: it a murder, and it was a murder. It is 200 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: a murder, and to solve the crime, you're solving a murder, 201 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: not a political event. 202 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: So who should be in charge? 203 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And again it comes down to the homicide in 204 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: its purest sense is not in fact a federal charge. 205 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: And there's certain circumstances where the FEDS will get involved 206 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: in homicide investigations. But this is the Bailey Wick of 207 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: the state authorities because it's a prosecutable case. All you 208 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: have to do is look at the prosecutor there that 209 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: those couple of days following following the murder of Charlie Kirk, 210 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: and he was right out front of this thing saying 211 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and as well he should have been, you know, because 212 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: he's the true authority here, the prosecutor is at this 213 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: point in time. So we are in a position where 214 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: we understand that he's moving forward with the case, a 215 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: homicide case, that they are going to prosecute this guy. 216 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: And you know they have said that they're going for 217 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: the death penalty, all right, So when you begin to 218 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: consider other possibilities as to who should be involved, who 219 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: should be in charge, it falls apart really really quickly. Again, 220 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, the biggest case that I can cite, and 221 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I will cite it over and over again until I 222 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: take my last breath. As JEFK at that point in time, 223 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Earl Rose had been allowed Doctor Rose had been allowed 224 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: to take charge of JFK's body there in the hallway 225 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: at Parkland, we wouldn't be in a situation we're in today. 226 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: So let's kind of start, you know, from the beginning, 227 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: just so that we can understand. I think a lot 228 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: of people, first off, are ignorant of the law. In 229 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: every almost every state, there is a state statute that exists, 230 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: and it has to do with autopsies, okay, in every 231 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: state that prescribes what the medical legal authorities have the 232 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: ability to do. If you're interested in it. If you're 233 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: interested in it, I urge you to actually look up 234 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Utah Code Section twenty six B Dash eight Dash two 235 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: oh seven. So one of the things that has been 236 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: propagated out there was fact that Charlie's body was not 237 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: in fact autopsied. Okay, So how many times have you 238 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: and I worked a case, our covered case, Dave, where 239 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: as soon as an autopsy was complete, we had the 240 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: medical examiner or corner running out to a bank of 241 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: microphones to make a statement about that particular case. I'll 242 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: answer that for you, it doesn't happen. If it does, 243 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: it is certainly the exception as opposed to the norm. 244 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: All right, Medical examiners are not in the business of 245 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: giving pressors in regards to homsides, and people believe that, 246 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: I guess silence is that you're engaging in some kind 247 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: of nefarious behavior, where I take the opposite look, I 248 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: think that you're trying to keep You're trying to keep 249 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: things pristine, because the taint of public involvement, the taint 250 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: of the knowledge that is disseminated to the public, can 251 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: take this case and fly it into the side of 252 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: the mountain. All right, If you look at this from 253 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: the perspective of the state medical examiner if they denied 254 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: denied an autopsy on the body of Charlie Kirk saying 255 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think we need to go 256 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: any further here. We're just going to go ahead and 257 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: release the body directly from the hospital, send the body 258 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: to the mortuary, have the body embalmed, and fly Charlie's 259 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: remains OneD down to Arizona. Well, what prosecutor in the 260 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: world would go along with that? And I'm going to 261 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: ask you a question, And Dave, do you think do 262 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: you think that there was a conversation between the medical 263 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: examiner and the prosecutor in this case? I would hope so, yeah, 264 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: there would be, just like there was a conversation between 265 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: the medical examiner and the detectives or the investigators that 266 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: are working the case. As a matter of fact, I 267 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: submit to you that there were investigators from the police 268 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: present for the autopsy. There were forensic technicians that were 269 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: there present for the autopsy. It would not even surprise 270 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: me if there was a representative from the DA's office 271 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: there or the State Prosecutor's office that was there witness 272 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: to this and they're going to speak directly to the 273 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: pathologists because they know you kind of particularly in the 274 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: environment where we're in right now, they know intrinsically that 275 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: this case is potentially problematic. So if you if you 276 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: flip that and you say, well, the medical examiner by 277 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: virtue of the fact that some mysterious intelligence agency out there, 278 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's even go darker. Let's say the Illuminati, 279 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: because that's a word that's floating around out there, the Illuminati. 280 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: The Illuminati pressed the state medical examiner not to do 281 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: an autopsy. So this person is going to put their 282 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: entire career on the line because they're receiving a threat 283 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: about not moving forward with an autopsy, that it's a 284 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: good idea to just release his body, by the way, 285 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: with probably a fragmented perle still resting in the body. 286 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: Have we ever covered case Dave where we had somebody 287 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: that was shot, it was a homicide and the body 288 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: was buried with a projectile in it. I don't recall now, 289 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: there have been cases where projectiles have been buried with bodies. 290 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: Things that essentially thought this was thought it was a 291 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: suicide initially, and they decided not to do an autopsy, 292 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: and it turned out really bad. Actually, I've been a 293 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: part a couple of those and some offices I've worked with, 294 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: and it's a nightmare, trust me. An autopsy was performed. 295 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: One more little point about this, the idea that there 296 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: was a single forensic pathologist in that room. I don't 297 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: buy that either. I think that more than likely, given 298 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: the high profile nature of this case, they probably had 299 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: more eyes on this than just a single hair of 300 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: eyes from the medical examiner that was there. So they 301 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: would have to go in do this examination on Charlie, 302 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: and they're going to have to. There's a couple of 303 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: ways that we do what are called pulling trajectories. You 304 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: pull a trajectory at a scene, like you if you 305 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: look at the top of the flat top of that 306 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: building where they allege the shooter fired from. They would 307 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: have gone out to the scene and they would have 308 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: pulled multiple points of trajectory from that one location down 309 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: to where X marcusist spot where Charlie was seated. We 310 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: talked about I know that when we did Idaho, how 311 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: many times we do Idaho. The term Pharaoh system came 312 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: up fa r O and this is a device that 313 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: can go out and shoot multiple images from multiple perspectives 314 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: all at one time, and they would have utilized that 315 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: technology at the system at this scene in order to 316 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: map digitally map the entire area. So you pull it 317 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: that way. But also you do a probative trajectory, which 318 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: when you see that defect appear in Charlie's neck suddenly 319 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: out of nowhere and blood begins to issue forth when 320 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: his body would have been examined. And by the way, 321 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: there's also another player in the surgeon. The surgeon actually 322 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: made a statement. We'll get back to him in just 323 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: a second, but you would do a probative trajectory at autopsy. 324 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: So after they have X rayed the remains in a 325 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: case like this, which would have been extensive, they would 326 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: have done aps and laterals. They would have put in 327 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: trajectory rods literally into the site which is the entrance. Okay, 328 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a moment. Please remind me 329 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: of that, and just aps and yeah, aps and laterals. Aps. 330 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: They are like, yeah, so lateral view with the X 331 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: ray is you're shooting from the side. AP can either 332 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: be full on antiially or you can flip a body 333 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: over and do full on post serially, so you're looking 334 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: almost like a bird's eye view of the body staring 335 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: straight down at the body as it's face up, or 336 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: you can turn the body face down into a prone 337 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: position and shoot like that, so you get multiple, multiple layers. 338 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that office has access to CT technology, 339 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: which very well could come into play, which is very dramatic, 340 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: particularly if you can freeze that projectile in that space 341 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: for a moment where you can catch an image of it. Yeah, yeah, 342 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: it is, and it's amazing technology. Now, whether or not 343 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: they have access to that's another thing. I think that 344 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: they probably would. This is a state of the art 345 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office, and they would have done images as well. 346 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about photographic images literally with a trajectory 347 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: rod placed into the wound. That will when you insert 348 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: these rods that we use in the morgue, it'll give you, well, 349 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: it'll give you an indication of the track of the wound. 350 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: You have to be very gentle when you're doing it 351 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: because you don't want to cavitate the area and damage 352 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: the tissue that may have not been specifically damaged as 353 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: a result of the projectile. So you just kind of 354 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: gently place it, place it insight to and then just 355 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: kind of remove your hand from it and where it 356 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: comes to rest. That gives you an initial indication of 357 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: was this from above to below? Was it from below 358 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: to above? That sort of thing with that wound track. 359 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: And then after that you go in and you do 360 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: an extensive and I mean extensive neck dissection layer by layer, buddy, 361 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and you're taking samples all along the way. 362 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: The thing that helps you navigate this are going to 363 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: be in the immediate are going to be the radiographs, 364 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: the actual X ray images, because when you take a 365 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: look at an X ray of a gunshot wound, if 366 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: around has fragmented, which I have all the suspicions in 367 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: the world that this round fragmented because we don't hear 368 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 1: any talk about an exit wound. Okay, so it's hit 369 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: a bony process more than likely, all right, it may 370 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: have shattered, or it may have formed to the point 371 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: where it lodged in a bone. You will see what's 372 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: called a lead storm that's behind it. It's almost if 373 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: you imagine like a comet traveling through the air and 374 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: all of the debris that the comet kind of kicks off. 375 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: And you know, some of these astronomers can do these 376 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: beautiful photographs where you see all of that that schmutz 377 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: coming off of the tail of the comet. That's the 378 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: track that it's taken, Okay, And what you do is 379 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: you navigate with the X ray. I've literally stood at 380 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: a table with a lightboard above us, and we're looking 381 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: at an injury or at a neck or a chest 382 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: where we're carefully dissecting the area and then looking up 383 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: at the radiographic image and trying to say, okay, we've 384 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: got a bit of debris here, here, and here, and 385 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: it appears that the core of the projectile is going 386 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: to be loaded located, you know, like in a neck. 387 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: You can say, well, it might be between C one 388 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: and C two. Is it lodged in the spinal process 389 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: or not. Has it gone through a disk space, or 390 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: has it exited out of the spine and is literally 391 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: just lying beneath the layer of the skin. That actually 392 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: does happen many times. It looks like the person's got 393 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: a big pimple on the back of their neck, but 394 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: it's palpable. You can actually press on it feels very 395 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: hard beneath the surface. All of this would have been 396 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: done and going to another point, here that I think 397 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: is very important to understand is people seem to be 398 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: under the impression that people at the Medical Examiner's Office 399 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: don't work twenty four hours a day. And the reason 400 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: I say that is people will say, well, it's sure 401 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: didn't take them very long to do that autopsy if 402 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: they did in fact do the autopsy. Well, dude, I've 403 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: done autopsies at one, two, three o'clock in the morning 404 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: because the case requiredired it. It's not like you. And 405 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: plus you've got other cases coming in at Utah State 406 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner or other busy shop. Okay, so they're not 407 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: just handling Charlie Kirk's death that day. You've got other 408 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: bodies that are literally in line behind him. They have 409 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: to keep this flowing. And they know that this autopsy 410 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: is going to take a protracted period of time, so 411 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: they would have set a very specific time as to 412 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: when this autopsy would have been done. And yes, yes, 413 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: our tools at the Medical Examiner's Office do in fact 414 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: work after five pm in the afternoon. Okay, Just so 415 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: that we have that understanding, it's not like you just 416 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: shut the door and say, okay, we're not receiving anybody. 417 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, our staff is incapable of working at that 418 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: particular time. No, no, no, it's going to happen, and 419 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: they would have had an assemblage of all these people 420 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: that showed up there. And guess what, when the truth 421 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: finally does come out and it will appear in court records, 422 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: we will see at that particular time who all was there, 423 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: and maybe they will have their own views about the 424 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: death of Charlie Kirk. I was on a panel. I 425 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: guess it's been just over a week ago now, I think. 426 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: And I was on with four people, Okay. I was 427 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: on with Mike Baker, who is retired from the CIA. 428 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: I was on with Rob O'Neill, the man that has 429 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: been named as the individual that killed Osama bin Laden 430 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: with the Seal teams. Morgan was leading the conversation and 431 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: I asserted at that moment Tom brother Dave that this 432 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: was a homicide, This was a homicide that to use 433 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: the term assassination was problematic, and there were and the 434 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: theme that Pierce Morgan was going after at that particular time, 435 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: and he recognized it, you know, over a week ago 436 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: where he's saying, oh, well, there are so many conspiracy 437 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: theories that are floating around out there. Should we assign 438 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: any validity to any of the stuff that's floating out 439 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: on the Internet and the chat rooms and everything else 440 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: that's going on. And uh, I think it was, Yeah, 441 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: I know it was. It was. It was Rob O'Neil 442 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: who said, who made the statement that he had shot 443 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: many people as a sniper in the seal teams, and 444 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: he said that the defect on Charlie's neck left of 445 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: the mid line didn't look like any entrance wound he 446 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: had ever seen. And I got to tell you, Dave, 447 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: that that defect in his neck looked like a lot 448 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: of entrance wounds I've seen over the years. The people 449 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: are under the impression that I guess that it should 450 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: have this round should have literally decapitated him, and that 451 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: that's that's just inaccurate. The fact that it entered at 452 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: this location to the left of the mid line. There 453 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: is what appears to be at least venus blood that 454 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: is issuing forth from this wound. What is venus blood, 455 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: It's a darker the blood is darker. So if you 456 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: think about the veins or the venus system in the neck, 457 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: the juggler vein, those sorts of structures that are in there, 458 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: the blood is going to have a darker appearance to it. 459 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's precisely what would happen, because 460 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: you can't really get a good view of this from 461 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: that particular perspective, like the clarity of it, even though 462 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: people have tried to enhance it. I don't know how 463 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: much validity to assign to that. But it did begin 464 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: to pour profusely. And he also made another comment. This 465 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: is Rob O'Neill. He said that he had never seen 466 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: anyone he had shot with their shirt move And I'm thinking, yeah, 467 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: that's that's from a ballistic standpoint, that's kinetic energy because 468 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: you were using you're using a round high power ground. 469 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: By the way, that if in fact it is a 470 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: thirty six, which again people are saying now they don't 471 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: think it's a thirty out six. That and I'll give 472 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: you I'll give you the reason why they're saying this. 473 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: They don't think it's a thirty out six, that it 474 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: was something else. Well, either way, if it is, if 475 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: it is a thirty out six, that bullet weight, the 476 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: projectile weight is one hundred and eighty grains, Okay, so 477 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: it's rather hefty. All right, one hundred and eighty grains. 478 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: It's traveling at three roughly twenty eight hundred to three 479 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: thousand feet per second. If you can imagine that that 480 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: number is astronomical, and this is a thirty point three 481 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: zero inch This is imperial measurement. It's a caliber that 482 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: is based on the old imperial system if it were 483 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: and this is very rough, but if it were converted 484 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: to metric, it would be like the diameter would be 485 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: like seven millimeters as opposed to point three zero inches. Okay, 486 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: traveling at that rate, yeah, it's when it hits soft tissue. 487 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: It's not going to be a gigantic hole all right now, 488 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: seeing entrance wounds that have kind of blown out, there 489 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: are other things you have to consider relative to this. 490 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: But the area just to the left of the midline 491 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: in the neck is rather soft. It's malleable. You've got 492 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, the skin overlying a kind of a robust 493 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: area of muscle, which, yes, it's dense, but it's not 494 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: bone dense, right, and then you've got all of the 495 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: venus structures and arterial structures that are underlying that. It 496 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: doesn't get to anything firm really until you get back 497 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: to the spinal spinal column. Okay, so yeah, the fact 498 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: that this is happening. Now back to this idea of 499 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: the shirt moving. When you see that, that's a transfer 500 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: of kinetic energy. So a real simple experiment that you 501 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: can go go to, like the most peaceful pond you 502 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: can find, pick up I don't know, the tiniest pebble 503 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: that you want to pick up, all right, and toss 504 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: it into this peaceful, you know, beautiful pond and watch 505 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: what happens. Well, you're gonna have ripples that go out. 506 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: It's an energy transfer from this object striking that surface 507 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: and it literally just kind of bleeds out. Well, that's 508 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: why you saw a shirt move like this. 509 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: I remember asking you that day about it because I 510 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: saw that, you know, before the videos got blurred, we 511 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: happened to see one that was very clear. Yeah, that's 512 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: what had happened. And I was shocked. But I did 513 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: notice that, and I remember asking you, you know, because 514 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know what it meant. And once you said 515 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: that and you were telling me about it, I'm like, Okay, 516 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 2: that makes perfectly good sense. But Joe, perfectly good sense 517 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: is not what a lot of people are looking for 518 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: right now. And I saw a lot of comments critical 519 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: of the type of weapon or the type of ammunition. 520 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: And one of the things that you said. 521 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: I can remember which show you were talking about the 522 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: age of the ammunition and how that actually impact what 523 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: what could also be done? Because what if the ammunition 524 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: was older, would that have an impact? 525 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 3: Does that really mean something? 526 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose it. Could you know if the if 527 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: the ammo itself is degraded in any way, we don't 528 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: know what kind of care has been taken. We also 529 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: don't know about the care of the weapon either internally, 530 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: the mechanism of the weapon, how did it operate, did 531 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: it affect the projectile is traveling down the barrel? Because 532 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the first things they teach you 533 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: in the military, even if the low level that I 534 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: was in many many years ago, is your life depends 535 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: on your on your rifle. If you it will only 536 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: perform as well as you as you clean it. All right, 537 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: So performance, you know, diminishes significantly after a period of 538 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: time if you if you're not taking care of the weapon, 539 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: the ammo that you choose to cycle through it as well. 540 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: You also don't know about the quality of the ammunition, 541 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: like who manif factored this. Is it some kind of 542 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: like Russian ammo that was brought into the country or 543 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: is this something that was that was created by Winchester 544 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: Remington here in the United States. Don't know. They haven't 545 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: necessarily released that information yet, So that's going to play 546 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: a part as well. You know, both external, internal and 547 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: external ballistics come into play here. What's going to affect 548 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: the flight of the round? The physical stability of the 549 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: projectile itself dependent upon age perhaps, and it's still going 550 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: to have a level of lethality to it. But every 551 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: everything that is either done or not done to a 552 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: weapon or ammunition plays into this, and that's something that 553 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: they're going to be examining with this. I can tell 554 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: you this with the weapon that they have collected, you know, 555 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the one that was found there in the quasi wooded area, 556 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: you know that's right off campus. They're pumping rounds for 557 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: the same Dave. They've taken the thing back to a 558 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: ballistics lab. If the my suspicion would be my suspicion 559 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: would be probably ATF Okay. Now it may go to 560 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: the state, to the State crime lab as well. But 561 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: if the ATF is doing this on a consulting basis. 562 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: They have a wide range. You wouldn't believe the catalog 563 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: of ammunition they have just in the firearms lab there 564 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: that if they're looking to match this these projectiles or 565 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: the ammo that was used, they can go back specifically 566 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: and approximate that ammo in order to because what would 567 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: have been collected at autopsy would have been would have 568 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: been if it's fragmented, you expect the bulk of the 569 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: round to be the base, which is the most robust 570 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: part at the bottom. So what you're trying to replicate 571 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: in these testing are the rifling marks that are created 572 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: as a bullet twist down the barrel. They're going to 573 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: fire live rounds through this same weapon, either into a 574 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: water tank or into a cotton box, which is going 575 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: to preserve the ballistic characteristics. You know, you can fire 576 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: it into a big bend that contains water and there's 577 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: a there's a basket, a metal basket at the bottom 578 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: of the thing, and so as the projectile loses energy 579 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: when it strikes the water, that projectile free floats through 580 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: the water and it lands in the barrel and the 581 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 1: rifling is not impacted, so you have a pristine bullet. 582 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: And then you have this gnarled up bullet that you 583 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 1: were covered at autops, you put it on comparison scope 584 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: and the ballistics expert begins to match this up. And 585 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: this is going to be key because people will say, well, 586 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: it's not a thirty out six, or it was a 587 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: different weapon. That's going to be sussed out pretty quickly. 588 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: So that little house of cards is going to fall 589 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 1: apart just by what is standard operating procedure in every 590 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: other firearms related homicide that we work across this country. 591 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: All Right, it's not going to instantaneously change because it's 592 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. They're going to stick with this. This is 593 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: why it's important that we remember this is a homicide 594 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: investigation that took place in the state of Utah. Now, 595 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: I guess if you want to, you can say that 596 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: there has been some specter that has presented itself inside 597 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: of the agency that's taking control of the weapon, and 598 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: they're going to conduct their own test, and that they're 599 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: going to come up with bullets that are not actually 600 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 1: part of the investigation, and they're going to try to 601 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: put us off scent here, and that we're not going 602 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: to get the real data that ain't the way it works. 603 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: Because if that is the way it works, you're going 604 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: to have to get all of the law enforcement people, 605 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,760 Speaker 1: even at state level, in on the game as well. 606 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: So now we've got the medical examiner who would have 607 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: to be part of the process, the forensic scientists that 608 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: are going to be doing the ballistic examinations, they would 609 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: have to be part of this conspiratorial process. Probably the 610 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: prosecutor would have to be upon it as well, because 611 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: the prosecutor doesn't want an autopsy, right, They're just going 612 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: to send the body off, so he'd have to be 613 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: keen to it. So you're going to have to get 614 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: all of these actors on board, and also the physician. 615 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: The surgeon presents an interesting character in all of this 616 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: because that individual was eyes on. They were eyes on 617 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: on the case as soon as Charlie rolled through the doors. 618 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: Do you think the surgeon that's on call is even 619 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: aware that Charlie Kirk is in town? Probably not. Maybe 620 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: they were, but probably not. You know why, because they're 621 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: doing surgeon stuff. They don't have time, they don't I've 622 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: been around these people. All they're all they're going to 623 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: know is that we've got a thirty something year old 624 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: white male rolling in. He's unresponsive and he's got an 625 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: apparent gunshot, one to the neck. All hands on deck, 626 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: here we go, all right, just like it happened when 627 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: Kennedy was rolling into Parkland in the back of that 628 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: damn limousine. Lowed those many years ago that you know, 629 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: they had an awareness the president was in town. Obviously 630 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: they knew. It was called ahead that JFK the President 631 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 1: was mortally wounded. He was being brought to Parkland. They're 632 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: not going to be up on the game here, you 633 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're going to take every patient 634 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: through the door that comes in. There's also been another 635 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: rumor that has been floated about, and I'm not going 636 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: to mention their name, but their initials are Candae Owens. 637 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: She apparently has stated that in one of these things 638 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: she does on her podcast or whatever, where she's saying 639 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: that she has inside information regarding the death certificate, and 640 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: the fact that the caliber of the weapon is not 641 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: named in the death certificate and that it was not 642 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: mentioned anywhere invalidates the process. That these are always the 643 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: caliber is always mentioned on the death certificate. They bear 644 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: with me indulge me, just for a moment, indulge my 645 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: mate insanity. Here, just for a second. Death certificate, John 646 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Kennedy. Cause of death, multiple gunshot wounds of head 647 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: and neck. That's what was on President's death certificate. Yeah. Next, 648 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: uh oh, here's a good one. Lee Harvey Oswalt hemorrhage 649 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: secondary to gunshot wound of the chest. Now I know 650 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: that Jack Ruby fired a thirty eight caliber revolver. It's 651 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: not mentioned in the death certificate. Hang on one second, 652 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: but wait, there's more. Let's see who do I have here? 653 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: Hang on, Oh, Kurt Cobain, Yeah, Kirk Cobain, I have 654 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: him right here. Oh, Kirk, Well, he's got a contact 655 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: perforating shotgun wound to the head. You notice that it's 656 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: not mentioned that it's twenty gauge, a sixteen gauge, a 657 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: twelve gauge hella, a ten gauge elephant gun. It's not 658 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: mentioned they say shotgun wound. Okay, hang on, who else 659 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: do I have here? Let's see one more. I know 660 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: I've got him. Oh, Tupac, Tupac, he was shot. Guess 661 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: what multiple gunshot woes. There's not There is not a 662 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: caliber mentioned in the death certificate. This is bordering into 663 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: the realm of the absurd. You have people that are 664 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: making comments about things that they have no understanding of. 665 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: Period they feel as though they're minding out knowledge that 666 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: all the rest of us need to know. But what 667 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: is it that they always do? They always say that 668 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: we have unnamed sources. But we'll get back to that. 669 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: But it never comes to fruition because I think it 670 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: was heard that was actually putting out for a time 671 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: that there could be a possibility he was shot from 672 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: the back. Well, now she's saying that, Okay, Charlie Kirk 673 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 1: has in fact died from a gunshot went to the neck. 674 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,919 Speaker 1: He was shot from the front, Okay, And she gives 675 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: this great anatomical descriptor of his vertebral bodies back there 676 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: he shot here and right here. Thank you, Candice, Thank 677 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: you so much for giving us that information. After you've 678 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: stirred the waters. At this point in time, guys, listen, 679 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: the only thing I can say is that patience is 680 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: in fact the watch work. As a matter of fact, 681 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be the watch word for the next 682 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:41,879 Speaker 1: few months. If you're easily distracted, if you need some 683 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: kind of conspiratorial case that you want to go follow, 684 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: go out there and knock yourself out, but understand that 685 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: the authorities in Utah are not conducting an assassination investigation. 686 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: They are conducting a murder investigation. A murder investigation where 687 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: in the balance hangs a young man's life who the 688 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: state prosecutor has already said they're going after the death 689 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: penalty in keep your ears open, let's see what happens. 690 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.