Speaker 1: It wasn't do good work because the world is telling
Speaker 1: me to do good work. It was I like to
Speaker 1: put my heart into things. It was the only way
Speaker 1: I knew how to operate. And I think that came
Speaker 1: from the basis of dance. It was how do I
Speaker 1: do everything with that love? How do I choreograph my
Speaker 1: life and give dance into everything I'm doing because it
Speaker 1: adds joy to it to everyone around. Hey, everyone, welcome
Speaker 1: back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in
Speaker 1: the world. Thanks to each and every single one of
Speaker 1: you who come here every week to listen, learn and grow. Now,
Speaker 1: today's guest has been a guest on the podcast before.
Speaker 1: There's very few people who've been on the podcast twice.
Speaker 1: She is going to be one of them. She is
Speaker 1: one of my dearest friends. Me and Raley consider her
Speaker 1: our family here in La She's the one who's made
Speaker 1: us feel so at home and made this place feel
Speaker 1: like home. But beyond all of that, she is the
Speaker 1: founder of class Us and the author of this incredible
Speaker 1: new book called Life Pass, Drop your Limits, Rise to
Speaker 1: Your Potential. Her name is pile Kadakia, and you need
Speaker 1: to go and grab this book. We're going to put
Speaker 1: the link at the top of the comments, So while
Speaker 1: you're listening to this interview, makes sure you go and
Speaker 1: grab a copy. This is launch day by or welcome.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being here, because I remember when I sat down with you.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it's been three years since our first interview.
Speaker 1: Three years twenty nineteen was when we launched the podcast.
Speaker 1: You were one of the first guests in the first
Speaker 1: six months. Yeah, it's been three years now. You've got
Speaker 1: your amazing new book out, which I was fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to read before. Yes, I want to start off and
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday when we were doing our summit conversation.
Speaker 1: But you know what I love about you is that
Speaker 1: no one would know how mighty you are because you
Speaker 1: never try and make people in your personal life feel
Speaker 1: that way or understand that. Like, what I value about
Speaker 1: you the most is your humility, your groundedness, your sincerity,
Speaker 1: because it's so endearing. Yeah, then when you realize that
Speaker 1: you're a powerhouse, it's like, wow, that combination is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: So I feel like you represent the modern entrepreneur in
Speaker 1: the most amazing way. And I want everyone who's listening
Speaker 1: today to connected that yes, pilots built incredible business and
Speaker 1: like all of this amazing life, but it's like the
Speaker 1: heart with which you've done it and how you've protected
Speaker 1: that heart is what I value in you. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to start with that because I tell you and
Speaker 1: I have to say, I give that credit to my parents,
Speaker 1: because I think when you've seen people struggle and go
Speaker 1: through something, and then when you then have the gift
Speaker 1: to be able to give to others because of the
Speaker 1: hard work of other people, I think you just are
Speaker 1: so grateful for the journey. And I never ever would
Speaker 1: take any of this for granted. I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful your thinking of your parents. Your parents are
Speaker 1: amazing and you know, I've had the fortune of spending
Speaker 1: time with them and it's it's so beautiful to see
Speaker 1: a love for them in connection. You know, they're so
Speaker 1: proud of course, But let's dive in. Last time we
Speaker 1: were here, we actually talked about the journey of like
Speaker 1: building class bus. We talked about SSA, which I want
Speaker 1: to talk about today as well. Pile founded her own
Speaker 1: dance companies Saw Dance Company. I've seen them perform at
Speaker 1: least three times now, and it was absolutely incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both coasts. But let's start with the discovery of purpose. Yes,
Speaker 1: because you were on a certain path and then at
Speaker 1: one point you veered away. I want you to help
Speaker 1: us understand when did you first understand, even internally, even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't in these words, what purpose was and
Speaker 1: that you wanted to live for something deeper. So I
Speaker 1: really believe for me it started when I was close
Speaker 1: to four or five years old. And I know most
Speaker 1: people do not discover purpose and passion at that age,
Speaker 1: but for me, and this is a very very interesting
Speaker 1: dynamic because most people would never think a moment like
Speaker 1: this was how you found it. But I went to
Speaker 1: a party, like a family friends party with my parents
Speaker 1: and they asked me to dance, and I got onto
Speaker 1: the dance floor and started performing. And of course it's
Speaker 1: nice to have everyone looking at you and all of that,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't about that. For me. It was this
Speaker 1: feeling that there was something inside of me that I
Speaker 1: gave to others. Right. There was magic created between the
Speaker 1: audience and me in that moment, and I didn't obviously
Speaker 1: know it at the time. So I talk about this
Speaker 1: and obviously in a hindsight way, because when you're five
Speaker 1: years old, you're not thinking about this stuff. But in
Speaker 1: that moment, I felt something sort of come out of
Speaker 1: me that honestly, nothing else could compare to. And I
Speaker 1: think when you have something in your life that brings
Speaker 1: you so much joy, brings you so much happiness, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to find anything else that's going to compare
Speaker 1: to it. And I know we'll get into it, whether
Speaker 1: that's things like money and all of that. And I
Speaker 1: try to hang on to that feeling, right, And I
Speaker 1: really believe my life has been a fight to hang
Speaker 1: on to that feeling. And then with class Pass, it
Speaker 1: was to share that feeling with others so they could
Speaker 1: have it in their life as well. Yeah, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: There's an amazing ancient text in India, and the verse reads,
Speaker 1: when you protect your purpose, your purpose protects you. And
Speaker 1: I love it because you often think of your purpose
Speaker 1: as something you have to find or create. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: actually the wisdom reminds us it's something you have to protect.
Speaker 1: You already have it? Yes, Can you tell us? Because
Speaker 1: last time we talked about the whole journey. What I'm
Speaker 1: more fascinated in is having taken this journey to build
Speaker 1: a business, to grow, to take your passion into this
Speaker 1: bigger industry. How did you have to protect your purpose?
Speaker 1: Because I think that's something that people don't think about
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, the whole time of my life,
Speaker 1: I truly believe I fought to dance. I believe that
Speaker 1: my life even now, it's not easy. And why do
Speaker 1: I say that. It's because society has its own expectations
Speaker 1: of me. I you have identity issues where you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: can I be doing that? I'm this person, I'm that person.
Speaker 1: But I have learned to take away a lot of
Speaker 1: those things and say, but no, my heart isn't this
Speaker 1: And this is what I love. And I love what
Speaker 1: you just said about It's already inside of you. Because
Speaker 1: when I think about the journey of me being corporate
Speaker 1: America right, and I think a lot of people you're
Speaker 1: in your job, you're kind of going through the motions
Speaker 1: of it. You don't necessarily I don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: love what you do, but you're in it right because
Speaker 1: you have to pay the bills, etc. For me, you know,
Speaker 1: I had this thing that I was doing on the side, right,
Speaker 1: but it was fulfilling me. And the more I started
Speaker 1: doing it, the more it gave back to me. Right,
Speaker 1: So that whole protection side that you were just talking about,
Speaker 1: I truly believe, and I talk about this in the book,
Speaker 1: and the synchronicity of the world helping me through when
Speaker 1: I was questioning it. As long as I found the
Speaker 1: time to dance, I felt like the universe was giving
Speaker 1: me signs, whether it was you know, I talked about
Speaker 1: the story where it saw ended up on the cover
Speaker 1: of the art section of the New York Times, and
Speaker 1: it was a moment when everyone was telling me to
Speaker 1: go to business school, right, and that seemed like the
Speaker 1: right path in everyone else's sense of the world. And
Speaker 1: here I was getting the sign from the world telling
Speaker 1: me I was on the right path by following what
Speaker 1: I loved. And all those moments helped me to just
Speaker 1: continue to hang on. And I do believe those things
Speaker 1: happen because it was like a sign from the universe saying,
Speaker 1: keep going in this direction because the world wants you
Speaker 1: to do this, And to me, that is protection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a wonderful way of looking at it. And
Speaker 1: you know, the times I've seen you dance, it truly
Speaker 1: is the most magical experience like seeing someone in their
Speaker 1: element and you're just fully immersed. You're fully absorbed. I
Speaker 1: love that you just said you had to fight to dance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think we think that purpose should just flow,
Speaker 1: and we think sometimes that the word synchronicity, as you used,
Speaker 1: means it just kind of happens. But you said you
Speaker 1: had to fight. Tell us about how we learn to
Speaker 1: fight for what we care about, because I think that's
Speaker 1: not often spoken about. We think that if you care
Speaker 1: about something, it should just magically manifest. But you're fighting,
Speaker 1: like you love that. I mean, in anything in your life,
Speaker 1: you need to know what your priorities are. They cannot
Speaker 1: be set by other people, right, And that comes down
Speaker 1: to everything with your professional career, your personal life, your family. Right.
Speaker 1: People are always asking, oh, how do you juggle this?
Speaker 1: And that it's because I know what is important to
Speaker 1: me and that doesn't come from anyone else. And once
Speaker 1: I know it's important, those are the things going in
Speaker 1: my schedule and I don't feel guilty about it. It's
Speaker 1: usually the guilt. Right. Why when I even say I
Speaker 1: fought to dance, it was because once again it was
Speaker 1: everyone wanted me to do other things. But the more
Speaker 1: I thrived in doing it, and obviously the more I
Speaker 1: built a system to really say, it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: what anyone else thinks. What matters is what I do
Speaker 1: and what I want to give to the world. I
Speaker 1: learned to prioritize and make sure that I to plan
Speaker 1: against doing the things I loved, and I think we
Speaker 1: forget that, we forget that it's supposed to be our
Speaker 1: priorities that come first. Right, we put everyone else's priorities first.
Speaker 1: And it's not selfish to do that all by any means.
Speaker 1: Our true purpose in the world is to do that
Speaker 1: thing that we were put on earth to do. That's
Speaker 1: actually the best thing you could do right in the world,
Speaker 1: to be selfless. And that's what I really want people
Speaker 1: to understand. And you know, I always felt through my journey.
Speaker 1: I know there were moments when I was working so
Speaker 1: hard and people may have been like, hey, Pyle, like
Speaker 1: you know you've been ma for so long, like you
Speaker 1: missed this and you missed that. But I woke up
Speaker 1: every day and I knew even though I had maybe
Speaker 1: no customers at the time, I knew that I was
Speaker 1: trying to solve a problem. And obviously, once I did
Speaker 1: it all made sense? But in my heart I knew
Speaker 1: I was on a mission. Right. We forget what that
Speaker 1: feels like to be on a mission, but there is
Speaker 1: nothing that feels comparable when you're on that mission to
Speaker 1: make an impact in the world. And I think that's
Speaker 1: truly like the heart of all this for me. I
Speaker 1: love that you use that phrase there, because I think
Speaker 1: when you talk to any real successful entrepreneurs, they all
Speaker 1: were trying to solve a problem. Yeah, they weren't trying
Speaker 1: to build a billion dollar company. They weren't trying to
Speaker 1: build a company on the front of Forbes. They weren't
Speaker 1: trying to build a company that gets acquired, like I
Speaker 1: think we hear those terms so much now, and it's
Speaker 1: like almost like people set themselves up for failure because
Speaker 1: they start a company to exit or they start a
Speaker 1: company to sell it. Whereas whenever I've talked to you
Speaker 1: for years, you've always talked about this idea of solving
Speaker 1: a problem. Can you walk us through how that is
Speaker 1: an amazing way to unlock your potential, because I think
Speaker 1: it's something we don't consider. I actually had a conversation
Speaker 1: just like this. I was back in London during Christmas
Speaker 1: and I was driving to an event and I met
Speaker 1: someone and he was saying to me that I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I just need to make more money, like
Speaker 1: how do I make more money? And I appreciate that
Speaker 1: a lot of us need to make more money and
Speaker 1: find new ways to responsibilities. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: I said, well, let's ask this question differently. I said,
Speaker 1: what if you ask the question what problem can I solve?
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm sure you're going to come up
Speaker 1: with way more ways to make money than if you
Speaker 1: think how can I make money? Because when you ask
Speaker 1: the question how can I make money, then you only
Speaker 1: think of that. Those things walk us through how you
Speaker 1: really focus on a problem and how to problem solve
Speaker 1: as an MT dancing CEO, there's so many parts of that.
Speaker 1: Let me I'll start a little bit with the beginning
Speaker 1: of how my idea of what problem came to me? Right?
Speaker 1: And I think what's really interesting is through my life
Speaker 1: I was living many identities. So I was Indian, I
Speaker 1: was American, I was this dancer girl in the middle
Speaker 1: of a business world. I never felt like I could
Speaker 1: fit in. And when I met the career field of entrepreneurship,
Speaker 1: which was ten years ago. This was not something that
Speaker 1: most people were doing at the time. I actually saw
Speaker 1: it as just a way to be free, right. I thought,
Speaker 1: as a way to impact the world and solve a problem.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it as, you know, the fame or
Speaker 1: having this money people on my team or any of that.
Speaker 1: And I actually think, to be honest, and I spent
Speaker 1: a little bit of time my first few years because
Speaker 1: you kind of get thrown into this incubator world of
Speaker 1: tech startup momentum, and you start doing things for brand,
Speaker 1: and you start doing things to raise money and to
Speaker 1: get pressed, and you forget about that main point. And
Speaker 1: I had to go back to that. And so the
Speaker 1: reason I found my problem was because I faced it right.
Speaker 1: And I think that is such a great way to
Speaker 1: find a problem to solve in the world. It's what
Speaker 1: are you struggling with? And most of the times, I
Speaker 1: think the best idea has come out of your own struggles.
Speaker 1: I mean, Uber did that, Airbnb did that, and it
Speaker 1: really did. I went to go find a ballet class,
Speaker 1: and it sounds so simple, I couldn't find it. So
Speaker 1: I decided to solve that problem right. And there was
Speaker 1: obviously more to that, right, This wasn't ja Okay, let's
Speaker 1: solve it with tech. This was really for me. I
Speaker 1: had been fighting to dance my whole life. I wanted
Speaker 1: to take this fight to other people, right, So that
Speaker 1: kind of in a way goes a deeper level than
Speaker 1: the what the what is? It goes down to the why.
Speaker 1: You know that we always talk about it, there's one
Speaker 1: layer deeper to that why. But I think when you
Speaker 1: have a problem to solve in the world, the reason
Speaker 1: it's so important is because how do you know when
Speaker 1: you've solved it? And if you are just going out
Speaker 1: there to build a company, how do you measure your impact? Right?
Speaker 1: When you talk about purpose and all of that. And
Speaker 1: it's not that you need to be able to measure it,
Speaker 1: Like doing good is doing good right if it's two people,
Speaker 1: one person, it doesn't matter if it's one hundred, it's
Speaker 1: great that you're giving. But I think for me, when
Speaker 1: I realized people were going to class because of our product,
Speaker 1: and you know, even yesterday I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh my god, I just want
Speaker 1: to tell you, like I found all these new studios
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles because of class fasts. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: story never gets old to me because I know how
Speaker 1: impactful going to one classes for one person, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think you have to really be bought in
Speaker 1: to the solution that you're solving for, because it can't
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, I checked it off and I'm done.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where some people get stuck too.
Speaker 1: It's not a one and done. It's a journey, and
Speaker 1: it's a constant journey that keeps going forward. But the
Speaker 1: other side of this a little bit in the foundational thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had a great education that helped me,
Speaker 1: you know, learned problem solved from MT and I worked
Speaker 1: at a consulting firm, so I did have the mindset.
Speaker 1: But you know what I think of the success behind
Speaker 1: my company truly comes from my creativity. It does not
Speaker 1: come from the fact that I had all these skills
Speaker 1: in this experience. Obviously, that set me up very well
Speaker 1: and it gave me a great network, But the true
Speaker 1: magic came from my hustle, came from my discipline, It
Speaker 1: came from everything else that I cared about and I
Speaker 1: felt made me see this problem in a different way,
Speaker 1: in a unique way than anyone else was looking at it.
Speaker 1: And that's really I think what people have to think
Speaker 1: about when they're going out to solve a problem is
Speaker 1: what's that unique problem only you can solve, right? And
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, I think yesterday. But it's
Speaker 1: also then, what do you have the expertise to do? Right?
Speaker 1: Like I knew what classes felt like, what tech person
Speaker 1: in the world combined with someone who loved class was
Speaker 1: ever going to come together to be able to solve
Speaker 1: this problem? And I say this now obviously with a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, but obviously when I was going through it,
Speaker 1: I felt embarrassed for parts of me, right, like, oh
Speaker 1: do I not know tech enough? Okay, wait, do you
Speaker 1: know how am I going to do that? Oh? No?
Speaker 1: Like should I hide my dance side? All of that?
Speaker 1: You know, but you learn that the more you do
Speaker 1: something that is so in line with what your purposes,
Speaker 1: all that stuff goes away. Yeah. I really appreciate what
Speaker 1: you said, because when you're building something truly focusing on
Speaker 1: how this helps one person, yes, one case study, one user,
Speaker 1: and when you can take one person on a journey
Speaker 1: from A to Z, that journey helps you help a
Speaker 1: hundred people, a thousand people, a million people, a billion people.
Speaker 1: If you can't get that to work for one person,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to scale it. And
Speaker 1: I think often we think no, but I want to
Speaker 1: help a million people and I want my company to
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand customers. And it doesn't stop there. It
Speaker 1: starts with that one use case, that one person. This
Speaker 1: is I actually think the biggest mistake that entrepreneurs make
Speaker 1: today is they go in trying to solve for these
Speaker 1: big data numbers and they forget that data doesn't do
Speaker 1: your thinking for you, right, And the magic of especially
Speaker 1: lifestyle brands and companies, the magic happens in the customer
Speaker 1: to customer interaction and how someone feels from your product
Speaker 1: and how they like it and enjoy and like you said,
Speaker 1: it's it's everything from coming to the website to purchasing it,
Speaker 1: you know, And everyone gets kind of caught up on
Speaker 1: like launch day. Yeah, but you know what, you launch
Speaker 1: every days as a founder of especially of a consumer company,
Speaker 1: you launch every single day because someone new is finding you.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a shift in the mindset that
Speaker 1: a lot of people need to have. And I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so true. I think some people
Speaker 1: they forget that it's not even doing it for one
Speaker 1: They raise all this money and they build all this momentum,
Speaker 1: but they haven't proven the fact that it works for
Speaker 1: one person. Yeah, well, said tell us about what you
Speaker 1: just brought up there, because we've talked about this as well.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting for me asking you this because now
Speaker 1: when I talk about having lived as a monk people,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, J Jay talks about that,
Speaker 1: and there will be some people will be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's talking about it because it sounds cool, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I actually was embarrassed when I went back into the
Speaker 1: workplace to tell people I'd lived as a monk, interesting
Speaker 1: because they didn't have. So it wasn't that it was
Speaker 1: some people will say, and I know no one who
Speaker 1: listens to the podcast, but some people say, well, oh
Speaker 1: Jay does that because it makes him sound like he's
Speaker 1: done something amazing in this life. And I'm like, no, no, no, Actually,
Speaker 1: when I first came back into the workplace, I was
Speaker 1: insecure about it, right because it was like your three
Speaker 1: years behind, like I'm twenty six years old in a
Speaker 1: twenty one year old graduate position because you didn't do
Speaker 1: the path. Everyone else didn't do the path, and so
Speaker 1: Actually I was scared of sharing my experience because I
Speaker 1: saw it as a weakness. I thought if people now
Speaker 1: have been a monk, that they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: use that against me, because then I haven't had the
Speaker 1: experience they've had. And so I've experienced that impost syndrome too,
Speaker 1: And even now when I'm in media, sometimes it's the
Speaker 1: other way around, where I'm sitting at a table and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I at this table? You know?
Speaker 1: So imposter syndrome is always there, absolutely, and you're saying
Speaker 1: that you had it. Of course there is confidence now,
Speaker 1: but there's also that insecurity still today and it was
Speaker 1: there then. Walk us through how you dealt with it then,
Speaker 1: like when you were like, I'm a dancer, but here
Speaker 1: I have to be a CEO. And of course, you
Speaker 1: know women entrepreneurs and female entrepreneurs like that whole journey
Speaker 1: is added to this whole journey of you as an individual.
Speaker 1: How did you handle it then? Of what were the
Speaker 1: mistakes you made? Let me tell you all the ways
Speaker 1: I did it wrong, because to be honest, I think
Speaker 1: for the first half of my life, most of what
Speaker 1: I did with a lot of these identity issues that
Speaker 1: I think we all face is I just separated them.
Speaker 1: Put like Indian pile in one place, put American pile here,
Speaker 1: put dancer pile here, business pile here, and I built
Speaker 1: my own worlds right, So like they were all just
Speaker 1: very separate. And you know, because I was type, I
Speaker 1: was like, let me succeed at being all of them, right.
Speaker 1: That was sort of my way of learning how to
Speaker 1: do well and build skill great. So that was what
Speaker 1: I originally did. I think for me, a few threads
Speaker 1: started happening. The Indian American one sort of came together
Speaker 1: with dance right, and as I started feeling like I
Speaker 1: had an environment to succeed in and that was thriving,
Speaker 1: it helped me be both sides of who I was, right.
Speaker 1: And I think people underestimate their environments that they're in,
Speaker 1: and they are sometimes put in environments that do not
Speaker 1: serve them and their authenticity, and you really need to
Speaker 1: question it. You do not need to stay in place
Speaker 1: that is trying to suppress you. And I mean I
Speaker 1: always think about this. I'm sure there are people who
Speaker 1: I worked with in corporate America when I literally was
Speaker 1: probably quiet. I was like I tried to like disappear
Speaker 1: in the room who were probably like that girl but
Speaker 1: built that company, you know, because I wasn't in the
Speaker 1: right environment, you know. And it really depends on where
Speaker 1: you are, I think for business and sort of creative
Speaker 1: dance or byle what happened originally, Like I remember when
Speaker 1: I went to go to fundraise, I would like show
Speaker 1: up in these business suits, and I'm a petite human being,
Speaker 1: so I always felt uncomfortable. I always felt like I
Speaker 1: was like drowning in the clothes and didn't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I could be you know, the tiny up
Speaker 1: mighty verses, and I feel like I can be sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I remember never feeling great in those meetings because
Speaker 1: I almost like overrehearsed, like data. I overrehearsed, like all
Speaker 1: the finance numbers and all the things that actually didn't
Speaker 1: matter at all. And I started to realize and this
Speaker 1: took me a minute. And I remember actually this conversation.
Speaker 1: I was sitting with someone in my tech Stars company group.
Speaker 1: He was another CEO, and he's like, Pyle, You've clearly
Speaker 1: like succeeded in your life. You have a formula, a
Speaker 1: pattern of success in your life. What is yours like?
Speaker 1: Follow that if this is not working, and as he
Speaker 1: asked me that, I broke it down to wait. And
Speaker 1: so I know how to like succeed in dance, right,
Speaker 1: I've been able to like get the right job. And
Speaker 1: what do I do. It's like I go and study,
Speaker 1: I rehearse, I try and find a way for it
Speaker 1: to connect to me and authenticity with storytelling. And I
Speaker 1: realized I was missing that whole side of it pitching
Speaker 1: my company because I was walking in like a robot, like,
Speaker 1: how is anyone going to like me? I didn't like me?
Speaker 1: And I think that's really when I realized I needed
Speaker 1: to be the full version of who I was. And
Speaker 1: so I started walking into those rooms and I would
Speaker 1: be wearing my leggings instead of wearing a business suit.
Speaker 1: And I think people were like, you are the right person.
Speaker 1: And by the way, M two was never gonna leave me,
Speaker 1: right like Bain was never going to leave me. I
Speaker 1: still had that credibility. I needed to wear that in
Speaker 1: a way that made me feel confident. And over time,
Speaker 1: I just stopped seeing any of the differences. And I
Speaker 1: think that's really the most important thing I would tell
Speaker 1: people is at some point you just have to actually
Speaker 1: embrace all those things that make you different and know
Speaker 1: that your journeys set you up to be that successful
Speaker 1: in that moment to do whatever you were going to
Speaker 1: do going forward. Yeah, that's so powerful, like what you've
Speaker 1: just said, because the challenge is that we only attract
Speaker 1: the right people into our lives when we don't hide
Speaker 1: part of ourselves. Because if you hide parts of yourselves,
Speaker 1: you're only attracting What they find attractive is parts that
Speaker 1: you haven't hidden. And it can be really uncomfortable to
Speaker 1: not hide parts of yourself because chances are most people
Speaker 1: aren't going to vibe with you, but the right people are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what you're waiting for. And I
Speaker 1: think it's really scary to go into a room and
Speaker 1: have the There's a brilliant book I read recently called
Speaker 1: The Courage to Be Disliked, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: really what you need, is that we all need the
Speaker 1: courage to be able to walk into a room and
Speaker 1: be okay with that this person may not vibe with me,
Speaker 1: but there will be someone who will and walk us through.
Speaker 1: What do you think I want to hear this because
Speaker 1: I think your dance experience is just it's what gravitated
Speaker 1: me towards you. So that's another perfect example of what
Speaker 1: we're just saying. When I first discovered you on Instagram,
Speaker 1: it was like I just saw you posting and I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this is amazing, Like, who's this American
Speaker 1: Indian girl or Indian American girl who's posting the girl
Speaker 1: woman who's posting these? Who's posting these incredible like very classical,
Speaker 1: timeless work of art pictures of dance with Saar Dance Company.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, this is just I've never
Speaker 1: seen something like this before. Tell me about what you
Speaker 1: think dance taught you about life? Oh yeah, because I
Speaker 1: think you lived the way you dance. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: hope too. I mean I always say like, I hope
Speaker 1: I'm choreographing through life, you know. And I used to
Speaker 1: always feel when I was walking through like the streets
Speaker 1: of New York, I just felt like I was dancing.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you meet like the birst at Starbucks,
Speaker 1: like I feel like you give that energy if you
Speaker 1: feel like that, and I do feel it's like it's
Speaker 1: an enlightenment. And this is why you need a musical.
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why Pyle if you direct
Speaker 1: musicals or theater productions, please reach out, because yeah, when
Speaker 1: you said that, all I visualized you was like doing
Speaker 1: a musical or you're like singing and dancings will get
Speaker 1: the bruces. An aside, and this is actually a really funny,
Speaker 1: funny story is when I was younger, like literally like
Speaker 1: five years old, my parents would take long drives. Right
Speaker 1: my sister would be like looking out the window, and
Speaker 1: I would put a headphones on and listen to Bollywood
Speaker 1: tracks and literally see people dancing in the mountains in
Speaker 1: my head. I have been choreographing since I was so
Speaker 1: young in my head, like I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: probably watching too many Bollywood films when I was younger.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know, I just saw the
Speaker 1: world that way. I just saw that's how people work together.
Speaker 1: So as an aside, but going back to what dances
Speaker 1: taught me, I think to start with that, I have
Speaker 1: to go back to Ushanti, who is my dance teacher,
Speaker 1: who literally taught me obviously not just how to dance,
Speaker 1: but she taught me how to show up to life. Right.
Speaker 1: In India, we talk about Guruji's right a lot, and
Speaker 1: it's someone who bestows knowledge upon you, you respect them
Speaker 1: because the one thing that's indestructible is knowledge. Right. She
Speaker 1: of course was teaching me steps, you know, and at
Speaker 1: the time I didn't necessarily appreciate everything. I was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go and have with my friends. But
Speaker 1: she was teaching me about where I had come from, right,
Speaker 1: the women of India, my ancestors, which made me feel
Speaker 1: much more stronger in who I was, even though once
Speaker 1: again I didn't know it at the time. But she also,
Speaker 1: you know, she expected us to be on time, right,
Speaker 1: She expected us to practice, she expected us to have
Speaker 1: our hair up. And I know it sounds a little forced,
Speaker 1: and it can, you know, to some people who are like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, like that she's so strict, But I am
Speaker 1: so glad I had her in my life. And even today,
Speaker 1: she's one of the first people I call to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with this, what should I do? Because she
Speaker 1: will give me the toughest but the best advice, right
Speaker 1: she and she even the other day, I think I
Speaker 1: sent her a dance video and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to praise you, so if you're sending
Speaker 1: it's something to me. I'm going to give you real feedback.
Speaker 1: And I love that, you know, because it keeps me
Speaker 1: growing and everything that I do. And I think as
Speaker 1: I grew up and started dancing more so, college is
Speaker 1: sort of this other time that happened in my life
Speaker 1: when once again, like I'm a tiny person, I'm the
Speaker 1: baby of my family. I didn't know what it meant
Speaker 1: to be a leader, right. I had never taken on
Speaker 1: that role. And I think in anything in our lives, right,
Speaker 1: people don't realize you can take a leadership role in
Speaker 1: the smallest thing. It could be literally planning a family vacation. Right.
Speaker 1: It's really just about learning how you work and how
Speaker 1: you lead with like a vision. Right. And so for me,
Speaker 1: even at college, it probably started with choreographing forty person
Speaker 1: dam shows. Right, When how do you organize people like
Speaker 1: that and think about communicating right and getting everyone to
Speaker 1: move in the same way. There is no difference between
Speaker 1: that and running a team. And then by the time
Speaker 1: I started SAW and I was building confidence because I
Speaker 1: was good at executing these shows and these performances, and
Speaker 1: people were gravitating towards it because they were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're really good at what you do. And which helped
Speaker 1: me build confidence, even though once again this was a
Speaker 1: side thing I did my whole life. And so by
Speaker 1: the time I was building saw and started, you know,
Speaker 1: putting down money towards like doing big shows in New
Speaker 1: York City and seeing like Indian celebrities want to come
Speaker 1: to it, seeing us sellout shows, you know the week before,
Speaker 1: seeing my ability to never you know, find a stage
Speaker 1: manager and a lighting designer when I didn't know that
Speaker 1: world at all, like I was in the business world.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any idea and I was in the
Speaker 1: middle of New York City. To see a lot of
Speaker 1: that just made me believe in my ability to execute.
Speaker 1: And I think we forget how important execution is and
Speaker 1: the confidence it gives you. Right, So you can have
Speaker 1: an idea, but if you've never really completed something in
Speaker 1: your life, you don't know right And you know, in
Speaker 1: the smallest form like class Pass to me literally started
Speaker 1: with one hundred person dance show because that was the
Speaker 1: first thing I ever did that was sort of my
Speaker 1: own with a vision, and I got people to come
Speaker 1: and banned against and you know what, some of those
Speaker 1: people who came to that first show of mine became
Speaker 1: my investors and class pass and I think everything is
Speaker 1: connected because my other point on this is I always
Speaker 1: did good work right because I was always doing what
Speaker 1: I loved. Right. It wasn't do good work because the
Speaker 1: world is telling me to do good work. It was
Speaker 1: I liked to put my heart into things. It was
Speaker 1: the only way I knew how to operate. And I
Speaker 1: think that came from the basis of dance. It was
Speaker 1: how do I do everything with that love? How do
Speaker 1: I choreograph my life and give danced into everything I'm
Speaker 1: doing because it adds joy to it to everyone around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that point that you made is so important
Speaker 1: because you were doing everything you did with love, care
Speaker 1: and attention. So people when they saw you, whether you
Speaker 1: were dancing or whether you're in a meeting, they could
Speaker 1: trust Pile does things with love, care and attention. And
Speaker 1: that's why the people who came to your dance show
Speaker 1: became your investors. The problem is we see everything is disconnected.
Speaker 1: We think, well, that's what I love and that's what
Speaker 1: I hate, or that's what I really want to do
Speaker 1: and that's not what I want to do. But actually,
Speaker 1: when you approach even things you don't want to do,
Speaker 1: with love, care, and attention. People take note, and then
Speaker 1: that starts to be called a connection, like the fact
Speaker 1: that you used what you learned in dance to choreograph teams.
Speaker 1: Just that idea, if anyone's listening to that right now.
Speaker 1: You may be going to a job every day that
Speaker 1: you don't like, but I promise you there's a skill
Speaker 1: in your personal life that you love that you can
Speaker 1: apply there, or there's a skill in that workplace that
Speaker 1: you can apply to your personal life, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it becomes meaningful. Yeah. I spent years working
Speaker 1: at Accenture, which was not my purpose or not my passion. However,
Speaker 1: when I look back on it, I see it as
Speaker 1: some of the best training I ever received because I
Speaker 1: learned so many invaluable skills that I would never have
Speaker 1: learned anywhere else. You can either look at that experience
Speaker 1: and negate it and think, oh, well, that was a
Speaker 1: waste of time. We can go, well, what's the one
Speaker 1: thing I got there that actually helps me build what
Speaker 1: I'm building, which is your journey. I mean, let's dive
Speaker 1: into when you're choreographing life, which I just love that
Speaker 1: even just that is just such a beautiful thought mentors
Speaker 1: is not something that you left just for dance as well.
Speaker 1: Mentorship is something what I saw in you. You've constantly
Speaker 1: chosen to be humble and want to learn from everyone
Speaker 1: around you. How did you, as you became more successful,
Speaker 1: remain grounded to one advice? When I think so many
Speaker 1: people when as their career grows, they almost think, well,
Speaker 1: now people should come to me for advice. How did
Speaker 1: you keep that balance? Because I've seen you do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I think it's quite surprising to a
Speaker 1: lot of people in general, not about you, but in general.
Speaker 1: I think as human beings we can constantly grow. And
Speaker 1: maybe this is you know, deep root for me in
Speaker 1: the way I was taught with Ushanti with I will
Speaker 1: never be and be able to know all the knowledge
Speaker 1: of even dance in my life. Right. And I think
Speaker 1: when you think about that and learning a skill that
Speaker 1: could literally be a lifelong learning journey, all of this
Speaker 1: can be even entrepreneurship, like class pass was a journey
Speaker 1: my business journey. Everything gets me one step further, and
Speaker 1: I think the power of it is keeping myself growing
Speaker 1: with teachers, right, I mean, that's the basis of class passes.
Speaker 1: We should never in our lives ever be at a
Speaker 1: place where we want to stop growing and learning. I
Speaker 1: think the second we do, we get bored and we
Speaker 1: get sad. And what's the journey, right, It's it becomes
Speaker 1: meaningless And what are you going to do sitting there
Speaker 1: at the top by yourself anyway? What is that? You know?
Speaker 1: There's always more to do and really there's always more
Speaker 1: to give, right, I think that's really where it comes from.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think obviously like there are times
Speaker 1: in my life and I actually have to balance it
Speaker 1: right now because a lot of people do want my advice,
Speaker 1: which is why I wrote my book because I felt
Speaker 1: like that was a responsible way for me to do it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I have to also
Speaker 1: limit that to be able to say we I want
Speaker 1: to grow too. And I think that's a really interesting
Speaker 1: thing to even think about at this point in my life,
Speaker 1: is you know, what's going to inspire me, what's going
Speaker 1: to help me grow? And I'm constantly thinking about that.
Speaker 1: What friends do I want to spend time with, right
Speaker 1: what mentors do I need? Because I'm going through like
Speaker 1: a shift right now. You know, I'm very very conscious
Speaker 1: and self aware of where I am, and I think
Speaker 1: that really adds to it. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like I would never want someone to ever
Speaker 1: feel like they are the smartest person in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like working with people like that,
Speaker 1: to be honest. It's like not my way of working.
Speaker 1: But there are people and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: times sadly that actually comes from insecurity. Right. It's a
Speaker 1: defense mechanism. It's a defense mechanism. And so I think
Speaker 1: when you truly are confident in a way, you don't
Speaker 1: have to prove anything. Yeah, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: people have to remember. It's it's not about acting like
Speaker 1: you're smart. Yeah, it's truly about just being able to
Speaker 1: live and be without society making you feel like you're insecure.
Speaker 1: So let me act a certain way because it comes
Speaker 1: across unnatural. I think you've just hit on a really
Speaker 1: important point. Part of our imposter syndrome comes from us
Speaker 1: thinking we have to say something or we have to
Speaker 1: be at this table because we have something to offer.
Speaker 1: The smartest people in the world ask more questions than
Speaker 1: they talk. Yeah, Like they're actually thinking about like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: what can I learn from this person or how can
Speaker 1: I learn from this person. And so when you go
Speaker 1: into somewhere, we think confidence means talking the most, and
Speaker 1: confidence actually means being confident to say I don't know
Speaker 1: and let me ask the most. And so if you're
Speaker 1: sitting here listening to this going well, Jay, if I
Speaker 1: was in an environment with mentors and people, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know what to say, ask questions, right Like, asking questions
Speaker 1: is the safest way to learn. One of the things
Speaker 1: I learn about this book Pile is not only is
Speaker 1: it your story, but it's so practical and I just
Speaker 1: want to hold up some things to some people so
Speaker 1: you can see that, you know, there's there's these beautiful
Speaker 1: moments in this book that you take this opportunity to
Speaker 1: make things really practical and asking people to reflect. And
Speaker 1: I love that because often these books, when they're written
Speaker 1: by entrepreneurs, it's like, here's my story and here's how
Speaker 1: I great. And yours doesn't do that. Yours continues to
Speaker 1: give people systems and framework, a lot of checkpoints and
Speaker 1: advice on top of you know, the stories and especially
Speaker 1: the constraints I've been through. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we all face roadblocks in our lives. And
Speaker 1: I really believe and you know this about me, like
Speaker 1: you can take any of them away if you just try,
Speaker 1: and if you put a plan together, right. My horses
Speaker 1: has been really about thinking about what the plan is. Right.
Speaker 1: So if I don't have enough money, okay, what is
Speaker 1: my plan to have enough money? Right? It's not about
Speaker 1: giving up on the dream, it's about planning for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's let's dive into that. When when when you
Speaker 1: were writing this book, I remember we talked about the
Speaker 1: word constraints Salon, Yeah, and limits is the word? Are
Speaker 1: constraints real? No? I mean that's really what I want
Speaker 1: people to see is that you can find a way
Speaker 1: through across any tree that's fallen in the forest, right,
Speaker 1: especially if you know your true north. It's really about
Speaker 1: finding your way through it. It is not about stopping
Speaker 1: at the tree and then stopping going to where you
Speaker 1: want to go. And I think that's really what people
Speaker 1: need to see, is how do I maneuver my way
Speaker 1: to not lose track of where I want to go?
Speaker 1: And they don't, they don't exist, they really don't. And
Speaker 1: you can really find a way to work through it.
Speaker 1: You need to do a lot of self reflection, understand
Speaker 1: how you work and then go and do it. Action, right,
Speaker 1: is really the best way to move forward. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: what are the biggest mistakes you think when we make plans?
Speaker 1: Because I love this topic. Yeah, because I was sharing
Speaker 1: with everyone recently when I was on the Today Show
Speaker 1: for at the beginning of the year, I was saying
Speaker 1: to everyone that we need to shift from goal setting
Speaker 1: to growth setting. Yeah. So we keep setting these big goals.
Speaker 1: I want to do this, I want to be this,
Speaker 1: but it's like the growth like what skills do I need?
Speaker 1: What's my plan? What's my approach? Like that's what you
Speaker 1: should be focused on. It's like saying I want to
Speaker 1: do a podcast with Pile and you can have that
Speaker 1: as a goal, but it's like, whoa have we thought
Speaker 1: about what we need to build a podcast? We need
Speaker 1: to start? Yeah, so walk us through what are the
Speaker 1: mistakes we make when we create plans? Or do we
Speaker 1: even create plans, because I'm not sure we do. I
Speaker 1: think we just set these plans. The whole well, the
Speaker 1: whole last third of this book is the Life Past Method,
Speaker 1: which is my I call goal setting method. But really
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is these itty bitty goals
Speaker 1: which are so minute that they do not feel big
Speaker 1: at all. But like you said, it's about getting started
Speaker 1: and the way I've thought about it and it helps
Speaker 1: to solve a lot of the problems. Is I first
Speaker 1: start with you reflecting, because you need to know where
Speaker 1: you are today before you start setting goals. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times we start setting goals without really taking
Speaker 1: stock of where we are today. So that's sort of
Speaker 1: mistake one, right. Then the second one is I go
Speaker 1: into a dream mode, right, which is what do I
Speaker 1: want to do and do be in a year? But
Speaker 1: that is not about check marks like I'm going to
Speaker 1: run a marathon and buy a house and all these
Speaker 1: big things like you just said, I like to anchor
Speaker 1: them in words, in feelings. How do I want to
Speaker 1: feel in a year that, because that's something I can
Speaker 1: you know, can really put intention behind right and put
Speaker 1: into my body. I can go back to and feel
Speaker 1: like am I going towards that or not? Where you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, running a marathon is just a check
Speaker 1: mark in our live Then the next part of it
Speaker 1: to me, and this is because I'm super analytical and
Speaker 1: like love time, I think people really need to think
Speaker 1: about where they spend their time. So this whole next
Speaker 1: part about focusing. You can set goals in every aspect
Speaker 1: of your life all the time, it's never going to
Speaker 1: work right. You're never going to be able to make
Speaker 1: an impact on every aspect of your life. You're probably
Speaker 1: going to end up failing and then being able to
Speaker 1: feel like you can't do anything. So my structure in
Speaker 1: the third step is really all about focusing in on
Speaker 1: three to five areas of your life that you can
Speaker 1: focus on right. And so that might be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my family, some friends and work right, and you get
Speaker 1: to the point once you're there, and then like the
Speaker 1: last part of this and this is I think what
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done really well throughout my life
Speaker 1: is I know how to set the goal right, because
Speaker 1: it's all it's not even a goal, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's really about the action you need to take to
Speaker 1: get to where you want to go. And you know,
Speaker 1: pretend you want to go and learn tennis, right, a
Speaker 1: lot of people would be like, yeah, okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to play tennis, and the whole year will go by
Speaker 1: and they'll never sign up. It literally comes down to
Speaker 1: maybe it's take one hour to get on to the
Speaker 1: internet and search for three instructors near you, find reviews
Speaker 1: on them, sign up for one class. Even if you
Speaker 1: don't go to the class in that three month area
Speaker 1: that you're doing this exercise, you're still making progress because
Speaker 1: you at least are getting closer to doing that first class,
Speaker 1: right because until you actually go and show up to
Speaker 1: that first lesson, you haven't gotten anywhere in that goal.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what people forget. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. You you know, people don't share their goals.
Speaker 1: I think you should always be so proud of what
Speaker 1: you want to do. You'd be so surprised how much
Speaker 1: your friends and family will support you if they know
Speaker 1: what you really want to accomplish in your life. So
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I have a lot of that. I know.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, Yeah, it was a loaded question because it is.
Speaker 1: But I, like you said, I do think people make
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes here. And it's really like I said,
Speaker 1: and this is, you know, one way of thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It really comes down to having a practice for yourself
Speaker 1: of how do I look inward, focus myself and then
Speaker 1: set goals and feel the confidence of I said these goals,
Speaker 1: I did it. Okay, great, let's set bigger goals next time. Right.
Speaker 1: You can only get to the bigger goal if you
Speaker 1: start with a smaller step and fulfill that. When you
Speaker 1: have a dream and it feels really big, the question
Speaker 1: is what's the smallest thing I can do right now? Right?
Speaker 1: Like what's the what's the first thing? And that's what
Speaker 1: you just broke down. It was like I want to
Speaker 1: blay tennis every day or every this year, but it's like,
Speaker 1: let me just find an instructive and that's very achievable,
Speaker 1: right right. And I think that's the point that I
Speaker 1: remember sitting down with a friend once and he really
Speaker 1: wanted to direct theater shows and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a big goal, and we literally just broke it down
Speaker 1: to the tiniest thing he could do today, Like that's
Speaker 1: and it's literally like with something like that, I think
Speaker 1: I have it in my book. It's like even watch
Speaker 1: three three plays? Yes, yeah, right, Like I know it's weird,
Speaker 1: but it's like watching three plays and actually it's funny, right.
Speaker 1: I think you you've talked about this a lot. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people think like watching stuff that we enjoy, it's part
Speaker 1: of your goals too, right, So a lot of times
Speaker 1: when would be like, oh, that's like leisure or time,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to watch the plays. But no,
Speaker 1: you just put it as a partner of your plan
Speaker 1: towards your goals. So in a way, sometimes doing these
Speaker 1: processes of setting goals, it makes you also realize, like
Speaker 1: the reason you're inclined to watch that movie, it's because
Speaker 1: you need a inspiration right now in your life. And
Speaker 1: that is still like fulfilling. It is not about you
Speaker 1: being like lazy, right, And I think that's that I
Speaker 1: never feel lazy, even when I'm like chilling. I think
Speaker 1: we talk about this a lot, is like sometimes we
Speaker 1: need that time, right, and that's like a part of
Speaker 1: scheduled time in a way that I know I need
Speaker 1: to replenish. I never think of it as I'm being lazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, our times are so busy, but I think
Speaker 1: we have to think about what we need, not just
Speaker 1: professionally and not just to like an obligation of other people.
Speaker 1: It's also what we need to keep moving forward. Yes, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: And that's what what I find so fascinating about what
Speaker 1: you just said, is that we get lost in just
Speaker 1: how big it is and it feels so heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it feels so far and it feels so out
Speaker 1: of reach that we just give up, right and I'll
Speaker 1: give an example of something right now. So I'm at
Speaker 1: a stage where we're growing and I really want to
Speaker 1: be a good leader and that's something that's new to
Speaker 1: me in this world of work. If I was a
Speaker 1: leader in the monastery, it was different to being a
Speaker 1: leader here. And so my goal is to read a
Speaker 1: chapter a day of this book that I've been reading
Speaker 1: called The Culture Code, which is just a phenomenal book
Speaker 1: about that, and I've been doing that. When I was
Speaker 1: reading your book, I was feeling like I was growing
Speaker 1: in so many entrepreneurial ways. I was sitting here reading
Speaker 1: Life Pass when you send it to me in advance,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh wow, like this is what
Speaker 1: I need to do with people, and this is what
Speaker 1: I need to do with time. And so your goal
Speaker 1: right now, if you have a passion, just read Life
Speaker 1: Pass like literally, like though genuinely that can be as
Speaker 1: simple as it is. Like you may say I've got
Speaker 1: a passion, I have a goal. I want to build
Speaker 1: it into something real. And when we say something real,
Speaker 1: it could be it doesn't have to be a billion
Speaker 1: Dollar company. It could mean something that takes care of
Speaker 1: me and my family, right, Like, it can be that,
Speaker 1: but then apply what you're learning here, and your goal
Speaker 1: right now could just be I'm going to read a
Speaker 1: chapter of this book a day, I'm going to read
Speaker 1: a chapter a week, I'm going to read a chapter
Speaker 1: a month. And you break that down like that, you're
Speaker 1: going to start seeing these mindsets get into your psychology.
Speaker 1: And that's really what we're talking about, is that it's
Speaker 1: psychological change exactly. It's about creating a habit of doing
Speaker 1: this right. It's not about doing this once. Nothing's going
Speaker 1: to happen. If you know, we all always talk about
Speaker 1: that you can't do something once. It's about building a
Speaker 1: practice about how you also can trust yourself. Right, how
Speaker 1: do you get into a place where this becomes about
Speaker 1: you being excited about it? No? You know, goal setting
Speaker 1: lists should be a to do list, right, Nothing in
Speaker 1: your life should feel like a to do list. It
Speaker 1: should feel exciting, like it's moving you forward. But you're
Speaker 1: the only person who can tell yourself that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk a bit about Zane. It was his it was
Speaker 1: his second birthday, Yeah, last weekend, I know, and he's
Speaker 1: so grown up. I mean, he is so grown up
Speaker 1: watching him grow over the last two years. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: you've had you know, because of the pandemic. It's great
Speaker 1: that he's happening. Yeah, And I felt like the last
Speaker 1: three months he grew even more because I didn't see
Speaker 1: it because I was just like, what does that he's
Speaker 1: so tall? That let's talk about what you're learning through motherhood,
Speaker 1: because I think that that's a new chapter in your life.
Speaker 1: It's a new new chapter, a new space, a new
Speaker 1: move for you. And it's like that requires different growth.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you learning personally from motherhood that
Speaker 1: you think you didn't learn from other things. I mean,
Speaker 1: nothing prepares you for motherhood until you become a mother.
Speaker 1: And obviously there's a lot of changes that happened because
Speaker 1: COVID happened right when he was born. But I think
Speaker 1: outside of that, what I've had to really just be
Speaker 1: conscious of once again my time, which I always was,
Speaker 1: but even more so, I think it was easier when
Speaker 1: you know, I would feel guilty or not feel guilty
Speaker 1: about like going to an event or something. It's really
Speaker 1: hard when you're like, oh, I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: time with my baby. You know, so there's there's hard times,
Speaker 1: but I love what I do. I think it's made
Speaker 1: it more important for me to love the work I do,
Speaker 1: right because I will always be an ambitious woman and
Speaker 1: I want to you know, I really think it's so
Speaker 1: important for women to know they can always be ambitious
Speaker 1: at any point in their life. You have to build
Speaker 1: a support structure around That is another thing I've learned. Right,
Speaker 1: Like this is you know, me and Nick talking. Nick
Speaker 1: is my husband, you know, is me and him talking
Speaker 1: about like what support structure do I need? Right? Like
Speaker 1: we have this book coming out. It was that's why,
Speaker 1: like my family is here everyone because I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: you need support in order to do these things in
Speaker 1: our lives. And I think a lot of time, especially
Speaker 1: as women, we don't always know how to ask for help.
Speaker 1: And you know, a baby is a twenty four seven
Speaker 1: job and they're great, you know, but you need to
Speaker 1: be able to also know how to take care of yourself,
Speaker 1: do the things that you still love, or you will
Speaker 1: be you know completely, you know, just doing one thing
Speaker 1: the whole time. And I think that's it's obviously you
Speaker 1: have to figure out your choice on that and then
Speaker 1: the last thing is like I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it comes down to also figuring out with expectations of society.
Speaker 1: I do think like there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: still happen to mothers, you know, feeling like you should
Speaker 1: be doing this and that, and maybe that's a blessing
Speaker 1: of COVID is. I just like wasn't around society that much.
Speaker 1: So I think I just got to develop my own
Speaker 1: bond with my son in my way, you know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't around anyone else to be like is this the
Speaker 1: right way or wrong way? And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I get I feel like a kid with him. I
Speaker 1: think that's like my favorite favorite thing is you just
Speaker 1: play with him, you know, and it's just it's just
Speaker 1: really beautiful to experience the world through his eyes. You know.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful to watch you guys together, Like I love
Speaker 1: seeing Zane, Like I want to run away to you
Speaker 1: all the time. But it's like what I think is
Speaker 1: really healthy is you know. I was on I was
Speaker 1: on Chelsea Handler's podcast last week and she does this
Speaker 1: segment where she invites people on from an audience to
Speaker 1: talk through their challenges. And someone came on and they
Speaker 1: were just being an honest, mum, Like they're just being
Speaker 1: honest and saying, look, I love my kid, but I'm
Speaker 1: really struggling to find time for myself. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm losing myself, like I'm losing my identity. And I
Speaker 1: was just like I was so happy to hear that
Speaker 1: honesty and that vulnerability and even what you're saying today,
Speaker 1: it's like I still have to have my like I
Speaker 1: still have to find a way because I love my child,
Speaker 1: but I still have me. Yeah, And you know, when
Speaker 1: I see Zane and it's like he loves music and
Speaker 1: he loves dancing, and it's like he obviously when he
Speaker 1: watches you is in the other day, I think I
Speaker 1: was I had saw rehearsal and he came into my
Speaker 1: studio and then my mom was like, what was mama
Speaker 1: doing in the in you know? And he calls in
Speaker 1: my office and he starts dancing. You know, he's like
Speaker 1: you know because and I'm like, I'm really happy because
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with that, right, I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up with someone being creative always around me and thinking
Speaker 1: like that's a way to live. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that, like I want him to feel like he
Speaker 1: could be anything in his life right and not force
Speaker 1: him to sort of live by a certain standard or
Speaker 1: a certain path. And I think that's really beautiful, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think in general for women, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I obviously I think these last two years were
Speaker 1: personally actually harder for me because I had to work
Speaker 1: through these things and I haven't had to work work
Speaker 1: myself out of expectations and out of sort of structures
Speaker 1: the world and so long. Like I started Class West
Speaker 1: ten years ago, I was in it, and I remember
Speaker 1: going back to an actually in a weird way, like
Speaker 1: as I was writing this book, it all was coming
Speaker 1: back to me too where I was ten years ago,
Speaker 1: to be like, wow, I need to break these boundaries
Speaker 1: again on expectations and I hadn't gone through that in
Speaker 1: a while, So just kind of going back to that,
Speaker 1: going back to a sense of the center right because
Speaker 1: I was on such a strong momentum my whole life,
Speaker 1: and then I had a kid and I just realized
Speaker 1: I had to like rethink so much and recenter right.
Speaker 1: And so in a weird way, my own book even
Speaker 1: helped me. You know. I think that's like the beauty
Speaker 1: of these books is when you're writing them, they give
Speaker 1: back to you. And I remember moments, especially in the past,
Speaker 1: you know, a few years where I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I remember the feeling of where I was ten years ago,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I feel like I'm right back there and
Speaker 1: I have to I'm going through all of this again.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's so important to realize
Speaker 1: this is a muscle to work through constraints. It is
Speaker 1: not and it's a mindset, right. It is not about Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it once and it's gone. You have
Speaker 1: to constantly work through it. And if you really care enough,
Speaker 1: which is what we started with, then you will find
Speaker 1: a way. I love it and and that's why I
Speaker 1: think there's a book that people can read again and
Speaker 1: again and again, because, like you said, as soon as
Speaker 1: you finish something or complete something, it's incredible how the
Speaker 1: constraints just come rushing back heast phase of life and
Speaker 1: we keep putting new limits wherever we get to. And
Speaker 1: that's why when you're saying to us to drop your
Speaker 1: limits and rise to your particular like, that's something that
Speaker 1: we're going to do again and again and again. And
Speaker 1: so whether you're someone at the start of your journey
Speaker 1: or whether you're someone who's had some success and achievement
Speaker 1: and then you're trying to find your way. You know
Speaker 1: this book Life Past will actually help you in all
Speaker 1: areas of that because it's the same thing we keep
Speaker 1: going through again and again and again. Pile you are amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I am hoping that each and every
Speaker 1: single person goes and grabs a copy of Life Pasts.
Speaker 1: It's available right now. We will put the link in
Speaker 1: the comments. Go and order your copy, order one for
Speaker 1: a friend. I also think it's just so One of
Speaker 1: the things that I loved when I moved here is
Speaker 1: that we've built such a beautiful community of South Asians
Speaker 1: in LA who've connected with each other just through genuine
Speaker 1: friendship and family. And I feel so you know, grateful
Speaker 1: to have that have that feeling, because it's always nice
Speaker 1: being around people who shared that culture and share that
Speaker 1: heritage with you, even though we grew up in different countries,
Speaker 1: and you know, to see you doing so well and
Speaker 1: to see you sharing your story, and I know that
Speaker 1: it just comes from a place of wanting to help people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's and that's why I'm recommending this book so much,
Speaker 1: is because I know that in your heart, it's like
Speaker 1: you only wrote it to help people, Like that's the
Speaker 1: only reason I know that this journey of writing this
Speaker 1: book is hard. Yeah, writing your book is not easy.
Speaker 1: And you had a baby at the same time, and
Speaker 1: it's you and you're doing so many other things, and
Speaker 1: so I know that you broughte this book only to
Speaker 1: help people to go. Yeah. I just want people the
Speaker 1: same way with class Pass, It's it's an extension of that, right,
Speaker 1: it is an extension of the vision of class Pass,
Speaker 1: with helping people fight through anything in their life to
Speaker 1: live their dream. And I feel like I have done that,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm still doing that and I
Speaker 1: never want any anything to stand in anyone's way. I
Speaker 1: love that. Pile. These are your final fi which are
Speaker 1: our rapid fire around. So you have to answer in
Speaker 1: one word or one sentence, max Ka, all right, Pile Lizzie.
Speaker 1: A final five question Naber One, what is the best
Speaker 1: advice you ever received? Best advice to bet on myself?
Speaker 1: What is the worst advice you ever received? To stop dancing?
Speaker 1: I can't believe anyone ever said that. That's amazing, all right.
Speaker 1: Third question, how would you define your current purpose to
Speaker 1: create timeless things. Oh, I love that. That's beautiful, all right.
Speaker 1: Question number four, what is something you used to value
Speaker 1: that you no longer value. I used. I know this
Speaker 1: sounds funny because it's a sense of home. Like I
Speaker 1: think I've learned to not value. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't value things like I just value. I value like
Speaker 1: dance so much, especially in COVID. And I know now
Speaker 1: I'm not doing one sentence, but I think COVID just
Speaker 1: made me realize how much it's not necessarily about you know,
Speaker 1: the environment. It's about having like the space to do
Speaker 1: what you love. I love that. And fifth and final question,
Speaker 1: if you could create one law that everyone in the
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be? Don't ever
Speaker 1: sit at your desk for eight hours? Move, move, dance, play,
Speaker 1: do something. I love that everyone piled Caduci. The book's
Speaker 1: name is Life Pass. Go grab your copies. Make sure
Speaker 1: make sure you tag meat and Pile on Instagram. Make
Speaker 1: sure you go and follow her if you don't already,
Speaker 1: And let us know what resonated, what connected. This was
Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode, and I can't wait to see what
Speaker 1: you do next. Pile. I'm so excited and grateful to
Speaker 1: have you in our life, and I know that this
Speaker 1: is just the beginning of a new chapter, so thank you,
Speaker 1: appreci