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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hey, welcome back as well. Oh yeah, your

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Speaker 1: world's feeling good weekends here? Yeah, what's coming up? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a what this election thing? There is

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Speaker 1: Right um. And then also, we just got our tickets

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Speaker 1: So good are you watching? And Or? Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: And Or is so good? Honestly, they kind of raised

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Speaker 1: a disappointment from everything. Star Wars now has to at

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Speaker 1: and I've been so frustrated with Star Wars lately, but

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Speaker 1: this is so good. So watch and Or and or

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Speaker 1: every time you just leave that there, come on and

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Speaker 1: or never start. You're doing it? Oh no, I'm doing Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I said, we get right to it today because we've

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Speaker 1: got a big, chunky, sweet sexy episode here. So true.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this one was suggested to us by

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Speaker 1: a listener, Tom Bray. I'm not sure I'm saying that right, Tom,

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Speaker 1: or tamber tamber could be tamber um at tambron on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Very cool suggestion for Caress Crosby. I'm so excited for

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Speaker 1: this suggestion. Thank you. Because Caress Crosby invented the bra

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Speaker 1: about her. She and her husband Harry Crosby lived wild

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Speaker 1: expatriot lifestyles as American in Paris in the nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 1: Please let me do that. They published a little known

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Speaker 1: from artists like surrealist Max Earnt. They helped popularized photography

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Speaker 1: as an art form. And they fucked. Oh boy, did

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Speaker 1: they ever surface every surface well. These two had an

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Speaker 1: open marriage. They had topless parties, bathtub orgies, opium fueled

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Speaker 1: side pieces would end their mad and extravagant life together.

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Speaker 1: So let's hear about the doomed love of Caress and

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Speaker 1: Harry Crosbie. Please let's go, hey, their French comlution. Well,

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Speaker 1: Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. No matchmaking,

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Speaker 1: romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships a lover. It

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Speaker 1: story with the second clinch, ridiculous roles, a production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio all right now. Most of this information

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Speaker 1: comes from Jeffrey Wolf's nine eight biography Black Son, The

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Speaker 1: Brief Transit and Violent Eclipse of Harry Crosby and Linda

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Speaker 1: Hamalians two thousand five biography The Cromoisty Queen, A Life

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Speaker 1: of Caress Crosby. So too cool books, Check them out.

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Speaker 1: Mary Phelps Jacob always called Polly to distinguish herself from

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Speaker 1: But to Harry Crosby, she was a hot tomale, real cougar.

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Speaker 1: still does. Harry would wear a formal suit and carry

424
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: a briefcase on this little boat, while Polly wore a

425
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: very revealing a red swimsuit. She liked to have those

426
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: charms on disay. Oh, and she rode home alone and

427
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: attracted all kinds of whistles and jeers from workmen who

428
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: were appreciating the view. Now imagine a lot of people

429
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't appreciate such commentary today. But Polly did write in

430
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: her autobiography that she thought the exercise was good for

431
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: her breasts, and she enjoyed the attention. Fellas that's not

432
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: an invitation or or a demonstration of how women are

433
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: going to feel. If you came exactly we we you

434
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: will soon learn, if you have not discovered already, that

435
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: this is a unique woman here in many ways. It

436
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: was less than a year before Harry quit his bank

437
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: job to devote himself to poetry and life. He wanted

438
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: to seize the day. Every day he wrote home, often

439
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: for money, with excuses like quote to make up for

440
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: certain past extravagances in New York or quote to enjoy

441
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: life when you can, or in one of his last

442
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: messages home, he wrote, quote in all caps, please sell

443
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: ten tho dollars earth of stock. We have decided to

444
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: lead a mad and extravagant life, to be a spoiled

445
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: rich boy from Boston living it up and carress. If

446
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: anybody knows anyone that I can write that letter to,

447
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: who haven't email me? Do you? Because I wanna. His

448
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: family would scold him for being so spend thrifty, but

449
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: they always sent the money, so he never learned. A

450
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: Part of the reason they never tried to live on

451
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: a budget, Paully and Harry was because they pledged a

452
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: suicide packed together in case you hadn't think they were

453
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: crazy enough already. On October thirty one of nineteen forty two,

454
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: the Earth would be the closest to the Sun in decades,

455
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: and they decided that was the perfect time for them

456
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: to jump out of an airplane together and then have

457
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: their bodies scraped up off the cremated, and then have

458
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: their ashes scattered from another airplane, like we just want

459
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: to spend as much time in the sky as we can.

460
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish that they had included the scrape

461
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: their bodies off the ground, because I feel like that

462
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: that detail right there. I feel like there's been enough

463
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, let's not jump out of

464
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: an air That is somebody's job. If they're right there,

465
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: will somebody's got to go find them before they can

466
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: get cremated. Unless they unless they jump out of an

467
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: airplane straight into a furnace. You know, they would have

468
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: to have incredible incredible it's like a point break thing

469
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: with the two. I'm just like getting out. Maybe they

470
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: got wingsuits and they'll just dive into the fire. What

471
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: a what a choice. It seems like they decided to

472
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: spend the twenty years left that they had in the

473
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: most outrageous ways they could think of. So they quickly

474
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: made friends with the art students who lived down the block.

475
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean the has invited them to one of their parties.

476
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: They made quite a splash from jumping out of an airplane.

477
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: No no, no, They both died their skin with red ochre.

478
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: Harry wore a red loincloth and a necklace made of

479
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: four dead pigeon, and he carried a bag of snakes.

480
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's just my like we asked for ice. But okay,

481
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: is there a bag? Check here? Hold this for me.

482
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Polly meanwhile, wore a sheer chemise at her waist, a

483
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: giant turquoise wig and nothing else. That's just like Marge

484
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Simpson porn I know, but red is steady yellow. But

485
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and some some sources that she wrote it on an

486
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: elephant as well. Why not? Why not? And of course

487
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: the kids loved her toplessness. Ten of them carried her

488
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: around and their shoulders cheering, and she was probably like,

489
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: bounced me up and down. Uh. They gambled. They bought

490
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and ran racehorses. They raced carriages through the Paris streets.

491
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: They wore the most expensive clothes from the finest fashion houses.

492
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: They even purchased an old mill outside of Paris that

493
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: they called Les Moulon d s or the Mill of

494
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: the Sun, and Harry went full emo. He wore all

495
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: black suits, he painted his nails black, and he put

496
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: a black silk flower in his button hole so he

497
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: would be very at home at like a my chemical

498
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: romance concert. Now, it wasn't long before Harry decided that

499
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Polly was too prim and proper of a name for

500
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: his wife. We live this mad extravagant life. You need

501
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: a mad extravagant name like Harry, like Harry seeah. He

502
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: convinced her to change it to something else. He wanted

503
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: it to be uh, something with a C and an

504
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: R in it, so that it would have a literation.

505
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: He wanted there to be common letter that they could

506
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: cross their names at Crosby cross is what he wanted

507
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: to call. So they briefly considered the name clitter Is

508
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: before settling on the name caress I approved. They did.

509
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: They think the name clitter iss uh people would be

510
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: too sensitive about it. They thought it would really get

511
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: on people's nerve And they were like, we could change

512
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: your name to clitters, but then half of Paris couldn't

513
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: find you and the other half might be rubbed the

514
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: wrong way. So Caress Crosby became the name by which

515
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: she was most well known, and they saved the name

516
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: Clitters for their dog instead. I could never find that

517
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: damn dog. Where is that damn dog? Paul He's like,

518
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: I can always find it, right, It's not that hard

519
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: right there in front of you. They told her daughter

520
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Pauline that the dog was named a Greek goddess. So

521
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm imagining this like underage girlfriend, like clitter is, where

522
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: are you clitterest? Hello? Mr bourgeois, do you know where

523
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: my clitter is? Oh? No, He's like, ah, out of here, yikes,

524
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: whoa yikes. And then later Pauline must have learned the

525
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: truth and been like, are you kidding me? Oh boy? Well,

526
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Caress and Harry also had an open marriage, one of

527
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: the lesser shocking things they were doing at this time,

528
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: But this was something that Caress was maybe not into

529
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: right away. She was certainly surprised when she arrived in

530
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Paris only to discover that Harry was flirting with other women.

531
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: I would be surprised too if a guy was like

532
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: Pester and me for a year, saying he would kill

533
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: himself if he couldn't have me, and you find them

534
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: like here I am and he's like, actually, I'm busy

535
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: with another person tonight. Get back to you late in

536
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: a few months. Like what in Caress introduced Harry to

537
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: her friend, and that brings us to this episode's first

538
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: side piece. Okay, I guess Constance crowning Shield Coolidge was

539
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: a firecracker, much like Caress, who loved gambling and anything risky.

540
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Constance and Harry met and started having an affair, and

541
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: after a while Caress, even though she had introduced them,

542
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: she could not handle this. She went to London by

543
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: herself just to get away from these two, probably grossing

544
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: her out all the time. Now, Harry told Caress that

545
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: there was no way he could quote love her more

546
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: than anyone in the world. This is absolutely impossible, Babe.

547
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: I got so much love. I can't just give it

548
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: all to you. This's just too much. Wouldn't be fair,

549
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: It would be faired all the other ladies out there.

550
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: I got so much, Harri's got so much to give,

551
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: cares But that does suggest to me that that's what

552
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: she wanted. She clearly asked him to love her more

553
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: than anyone else. Yeah, why did he feel the name

554
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: to need to say that? Right? So that's what makes

555
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: me think. She was like, oh, is that what you want?

556
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: Kind of like ended up being like, all right, I

557
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: guess I can get into that eventually. But at first

558
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: she was kind of like, oh, we can have an

559
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: open marriage, but I'm number one, right, you love me

560
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: more than anyone else. And he's like, he's like, well,

561
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're married, but so far, I

562
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: don't like, I don't like to put titles on things.

563
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: You know, rank people, you bitch. She's like, I don't

564
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: care how you rank the rest. You put me at

565
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: the top. That's all I care about. So eventually Caress

566
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: wrote to her friend Constance and said, you know, you're

567
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: affair with Harry is kind of making me a miserable. Constance,

568
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: she's a good friend. She immediately broke it off with Harry,

569
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: and the three of them remained close friends for life,

570
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: But this was far from the last time that Harry

571
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: would step out on Caress. Outwardly, Caress kind of appeared

572
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: fine with it, and she had lovers of her own

573
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: as well, but in her private papers, she worried all

574
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: the time about Harry's loyalty, and Harry kind of had

575
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a double standard. He insisted on absolute

576
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: freedom for himself, but at the same time he would

577
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: get jealous and yell at Caress about her own lovers

578
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: my least favorite thing. Yeah, don't do that. That's the worst.

579
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: So you want to here him. You don't want an

580
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: open marriage, you know, like just be real, right, And

581
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: I would say Caress also not really being real here either,

582
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: if she is saying outwardly that she's fine with it

583
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: and then writing in her journals like I'm nervous he's

584
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna leave me. Well, I I like what you said that.

585
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Maybe she was like, you know, the institution of marriage

586
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: is dumb, and we should be able to be, you know,

587
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: free with other people and all of that. Like she

588
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: might have had all that, but then she was like,

589
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: but he won't say I'm the one, you know that.

590
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm like letting him do whatever he wants with his body,

591
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: but his heart is mine. That's what she really cares about.

592
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Maybe demands conversation and agreements and honesty, you know, like

593
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: that's what it needs. Caressed once wrote about Harry quote

594
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: he seemed to be more expression and mood than man.

595
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: Yet he was the most vivid personality I've ever known,

596
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: electric with rebellion. To know Harry was a devastating experience. Ah,

597
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: there's I feel like you come across those people in

598
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: history where they're just like, they're so you can't you

599
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: want to spend all your time with them, and you're

600
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: miserable for it. Magnetic yes, selfish, Yes, that's what I

601
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: think the two words I would pick to describe Harry.

602
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: If you let me have a third, i'd say melodramatic.

603
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I think I think those are the two that people

604
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: were like, Oh God, this guy is cool, Like he

605
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: really does draw people like flies. Who's very charming. I

606
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: made tons of friends. I mean, women loved him. He

607
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: was forever having affairs and running out seducing all these ladies.

608
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: But it was like, oh, people just wanted to strangle you.

609
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Just got to relax, Harry, or just that like, and

610
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: yet because I'm so magnetized to you, it's making me miserable. Yeah,

611
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: you know there's people like that too, where you're just

612
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: like the fact that I cannot get enough of you,

613
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know why because you're so frustrating. But

614
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: there's just something about you that I just need more

615
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: of all the time, even though it is poison. Wow. Yeah,

616
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: But for the most part they're open. Marriage seemed to

617
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: be pretty fun and sexy time galore for both of them.

618
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: They would host like small dinner parties from their giant bed,

619
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: and then afterward everyone would jump into their big, huge,

620
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: sunken bathtub together and refresh themselves with bottles of ice champagne.

621
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: Drunken orgies were fairly common at the Mill of the Sun.

622
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: One year, Harry let loose ten snakes onto the dance floor,

623
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean for real. He later described the night in

624
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: his diary quote, I remember two strong young men, stark naked,

625
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: wrestling on the floor for the honor of dancing with

626
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: a young girl. And I remember a mad student drinking

627
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: champagne out of a skull which he had pilford from

628
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: my library, as I had pilfred it a year ago

629
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: from the catacombs. And in a corner I watched two

630
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: savages making love, and beside me sitting on the floor,

631
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: a plump woman with bare breasts absorbed in the passion

632
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: of giving milk to one of the snakes. Wait a second,

633
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that. It was even like,

634
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd ever find me doing this, But

635
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: two naked dudes wrestling for the honor of dancing with

636
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: a woman. That's kind of cool. I'm at a cool

637
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm at a cool party right now. That student drinking

638
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: champagne out of a dirty old skull from the catacombs,

639
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you do you, dude, I am at a

640
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: crazy party right now. I'm sorry. This lady with a

641
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: snake on her boob? Am I in antony and cleopatcher

642
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: right now? Why why was she doing that? So many

643
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: questions hallucinogens. I'm astanding it was definitely a drug related.

644
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: At the mill, they added a race course. They would

645
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: play drunken donkey polo on it. Okay, this party is

646
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: cool again. Again cool. A solid brass marine cannon would

647
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: be rolled out and fired to announce special guests. Okay,

648
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm planning our my birthday party for next month. This

649
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: is happening. Incredible the cannon at least right I was

650
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: thinking about our dinner party question from that listener mail episode,

651
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know. I'm wrestling with

652
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: whether or not I would I would invite to a

653
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: party sin Harry, because first of all, I can never

654
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: throw a part into they would find anything but boring.

655
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: And b if they were in charge of the party,

656
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I could hang. Let me be afraid

657
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: of some of the should they do. I'm going, I'm

658
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: going to this party. I can handle myself. I will

659
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: simply leave and near the stairway at the middle of

660
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: the sun, they left a box of watercolors next to

661
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: a whitewashed wall and they called it their guest book.

662
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: My God. Tons of famous people signed this wall, um,

663
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: including d H. Lawrence who drew a phoenix. Uh Salvador

664
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: Dolly signed his name Douglas Fairbanks, the future King George

665
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: the six which is like oh, King George plans On

666
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: drunken Donkey, Polo had the Mill, Okay, King George, many

667
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: many more names. And I love that idea too, having

668
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: a wall that people just draw on like graffiti. I

669
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, they knew so many cool people

670
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: that like priceless wall. Really, if you could cut it

671
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: out into get somewhere now. When Paris or the Mill

672
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: got boring, somehow, they would travel far and wide. They

673
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: visited Lebanon, Africa and the running of the bulls in Pamplona.

674
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: They first smoked opium in North Africa in n and

675
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: that became a favorite pastime of theirs. One of the

676
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: most exclusive opium dens in Paris was called Drosso's, and

677
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: once they got an invitation they became regulars. Harry would

678
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: sometimes spend days at a time there. Harry also loved

679
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: cocaine and hashish, so really hitting both ends of the

680
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: energy spectrum with his drugs. Like, I hope he didn't

681
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: like smoke opium and then be like, let's do some

682
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: cocaine just like literally can't wake back up again, or

683
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: maybe it balances. I don't know, I feel sober as

684
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: a god right now. Well, occasionally they would drive out

685
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: to the country with two other couples, pull their cars

686
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: into a circle with the headlights on, and then all

687
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: swap partners, wing in super fun winging Crosby's. Well, before

688
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: you get too excited, they also did some more objectionable things,

689
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: as Peter Lyle in the Telegraph rights quote in their

690
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: war on the repressive cruelty of social convention and the

691
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: deadening impact of puritanical morals. The Crosby's could be very

692
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: cruel themselves in Morocco, Harry and Caress took a thirteen

693
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: year old dancing girl named Zora to bed with them.

694
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Harry's one known homosexual experience, another holiday dalliance with a

695
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: boy of unspecified youth, left him in intense, if predictably

696
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: short lived raptures. At another time, Harry slept with a

697
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl he called Newbile with quote a

698
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: baby face and large breasts. Yeah. Peter Lyle also writes

699
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: that their friends quote held rape parties and paid to

700
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: see female circumcisions to add to their stores of scandalous anecdotes.

701
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: So gross, that's very uncool, extremely gross. These parties stuck

702
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: again the like the youth is disgusting. Yeah, and then

703
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: also the idea that you're like, wouldn't it be cool

704
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: if I knew about the worst ship in the world

705
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: and soft, insane pain in front of me and misery?

706
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: How cool would that be over a dinner party to

707
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: talk about, like, who do you? What kind of cool

708
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: do you think you are? That's so crazy to me

709
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: that that that was seen as like a cool thing

710
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to do too. I mean, it's it's the same thing

711
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: whenever you get into talking about hedonism and libertine activities

712
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's all consent. I mean that is

713
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: like should be the foundational line you draw. We can

714
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: do all kinds of crazy shit, but we cannot involve

715
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: people who are too young to consent. We cannot involve

716
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: people who are not consenting, and we cannot you know,

717
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: mutilate people. I'm gonna assume against their will. Yeah, I mean,

718
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't think many women want to be circumcised. Um,

719
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: the rape parties, I'm assuming that they were the ones

720
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: doing the raping home, and I would assume that the

721
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: person doesn't know that's what their party is, or if

722
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: they are like hiring prostitutes that were acting out of fantasy. Yeah,

723
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: that's hard to say, because there is consensual non consent.

724
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: You know, that could have been a thing. Um, but

725
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: it's given that they've already crossed these lines. I don't Yeah,

726
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, so they Yeah, you know, crossing

727
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: lines is cool until it's not. Is the lesson in

728
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: this paragraph. Because we had a real fun time at

729
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: the party. It was like, oh my god, I hope

730
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: no one saw me here. I don't want to sign

731
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: your fucking guess. I'm running for senator later. These pictures

732
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: are definitely going to pop up. But it wasn't all sex, money,

733
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: clothes and cars with them. After all, Harry was a poet,

734
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: so they also spent a lot of money publishing their poetry,

735
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: and they had a really important small press in Paris,

736
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: and we will find out a lot more about that

737
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: right after these words Welcome back everyone. So two of

738
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: their first three books that Harry and Caress published were

739
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: Caress's poetry collection Crosses of Gold and Harry's Sonnets for Caress. Now, money,

740
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: of course, is no object, so they used only the

741
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: finest paper and ink um. The type setting was flawless,

742
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: they made sure there's no errors, and they had beautiful illustrations.

743
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Antiquarian books expert and actor Neil Pearson says quote, they

744
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: were publishing books of love poems to each other. Of

745
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: course they wanted them to be beautiful. But unfortunately we

746
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: couldn't find any of Caress's poems online, but we did

747
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: find a short one of Harry's. So let's go down

748
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: to Poetry Corner to hear Harry Crosby's unanswered why should

749
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: I be subservient to fate? Sepu The shows before a

750
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: giant world, Poor little ship with little sail, unfurled to

751
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: catch the sun breeze at the harbor gate. Why should

752
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: I be a coal within a grate of never ending love?

753
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: Why intercurled with some strange mermaid whom the tempests hurled

754
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: far up the shore that mortals desecrate? Why all these

755
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: wise and whereforees of the mind that strike like arrows

756
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: on a marble floor, beyond whose frigidness read lions roar

757
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: to guard this on? I gave my youth defined? And

758
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: why should drowning in the blackest sea be better than

759
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: to worship at her knee? It's no whitman, Yeah, just no,

760
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: it's okay. Question, Just I don't know why now is

761
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: when I'm wondering this, there's still just coasting off Uncle

762
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: JP's money at this point. Yes, he apparently got like

763
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: what would be equivalent today to about a hundred and

764
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars a year allowance. Wow, he did a

765
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: lot with that. Well, that's he constantly overdraw his account,

766
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: and that's why he called back and be like, give

767
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: me more of my It was his inheritance that he

768
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: was like, just let me because he really felt like

769
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: again he's like I'm planning to kill myself, so I'm

770
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: never going to inherit anything. So yeah, not, you know,

771
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: the poetry is fine, it's nothing. I'm no analyst, but

772
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Yeah, it doesn't do much for me. Um

773
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: And Caress also was like she called her own writing

774
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: pretty pedestrians. She said, I was still rhyming love with

775
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Dove example, Like She's like, I'm just just you know,

776
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: mechanical of a poet or so. Yeah. It's not like

777
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: either of these writers as writers, they were not like

778
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: culturally significant. There's a reason you don't hear their poachers

779
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: and they're not classic. Um. But their their first few

780
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: books were pretty well received. People liked them. I guess

781
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: their audience score was pretty good. This is all I

782
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: was looking for to think that hard. But their real

783
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: service to the arts was that they decided to expand

784
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: their press to serve other authors. Now, Harry had become

785
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with the sun, which was to him a symbol

786
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: of perfection, enthusiasm, freedom, hate, and destruction, and he even

787
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: had tattoos on the souls of his his feet. He

788
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: had a Christian cross on one foot and a Pagan

789
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Son's symbol on the other. Which in my mind just

790
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: looks like the sun from the Sublime at everybody in

791
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: the mid nineties got tattooed. All I'm saying. I'm sure

792
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: that's not what it was, but that's all I'm saying.

793
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: And his favorite color was black, so they named their

794
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: business Black Sun Press. As extravagant as ever, they kept

795
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: up with their quality papers and inks, their painstaking type setting.

796
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: They published beautiful limited editions like three hundred copies of

797
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: The Fall of the House of Usher by Edgar All

798
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: and Co. With illustrations by the German painter Alistairs. Amazing.

799
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean some of these books I would give a

800
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: lot of money just to look at um, just from

801
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: the descriptions. They also published avant garde writers long before

802
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: they were well known, like James Joyce's Tales Told of

803
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Shem and Sean, which would later be incorporated into Finnigan's

804
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: Wake Um, or Ca Boyle's first book length work, Short Stories.

805
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Other names include Ernest Hemingway, who Harry once said quote

806
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: could drink us under the table. Well I know which

807
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, Well everyone knows that about Hemingway, but these

808
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: two were parties, so he was probably very surprised to

809
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: learn that anyone could do that. D. H. Lawrence is

810
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: another person that they published, and Harry actually paid him

811
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: in gold coins because he thought he'd like it, and

812
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: he did. Ezra Pound was another one among many others.

813
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: Just tons, tons of names. And these books are just

814
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: so lovely that they're kind of like Picasso's for book collectors.

815
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: They're so rare, there's such limited quantities. I did it

816
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: just a quick Google search to see, like, if I

817
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: wanted to buy one today, what would it be? And

818
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: I found a rare copy of their version of Alice

819
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: in Wonderland I Know, with illustrations by avant garde artist

820
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: Marie Lawrenson, for sale for four thousand dollars. God, damn it.

821
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: That's just above my birthday budget. Damn it just above

822
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: my birthday budget. I said, four thousand dollars. But no,

823
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: you said my birthday budget. Did I set your birthday budget? Yeah? Yeah,

824
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: you said my gift I could ask for it could

825
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: be no more than we could stretch to four? Right? Um?

826
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: I think I said thirty five dollars. I feel like

827
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: you're really odd. Zero You're gonna get zero presents? Fine,

828
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: I'll draw one myself. Yes, please, please, draw your version

829
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: of Alice. I love Alice Winn and I probably could

830
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: now Black Sun Pressed would evolve into one of the

831
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: most important small presses in Paris at the time, and

832
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: according to an article by Francis Booth on Literary Ladies

833
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: Guy dot com, they also quote bullied, blackmails and kidnapped

834
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: heart Crane into finishing his monumental poem Sequence The Bridge, which,

835
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: along with Alan Ginsberg's Howell William Carlos WILLIAMS Patterson, is

836
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: one of the great pillars of American twentieth century epic poetry.

837
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: Caress actually locked him into his room to make him

838
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: finish writing once, which reminds me of William Colette, if

839
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: you recall Willie one Colette in her room, or that

840
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: was the story they told, right, I mean, it reminds

841
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: me of rumpel Stiltskin. Enough, you better turn the straw

842
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: into go. Mr Crane, goddamn poh, Mr Crane. Wow, jeez?

843
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: Is that? I mean? Like, what do you say to

844
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: something like that and you get one of the great

845
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: works of art in the world born of torture? I know,

846
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: but there's something I kind of love about this that again,

847
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: like this this um rich people helping artists be artists

848
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: because they're like, what they're doing is providing a place

849
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: for them to be without having to spend any money

850
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: and just make stuff, and that is such an important

851
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: part of an artist process. You just need time and space.

852
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: So that's what they provided. I mean, I I will say,

853
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to a wealthy person grabbing me off

854
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: the street, throw me in a van, taking me to

855
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: some posh castle in Paris and saying you're not coming

856
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: out of here until you finish your screenplay. All right,

857
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: maybe I'll finally get it. Don have good food and

858
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: sex parties and drunken donkey polo whenever you want, but

859
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: you have to finish that screenplay. Yeah, but you know what,

860
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I could use some drunken donkey polo to kind of

861
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: get the juices flowing a little bit my creativity. I

862
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: feel like it would inspire something. It would change my screenplay,

863
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: that's for sure, because that is currently not in there.

864
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: But I could add it. I could make it work.

865
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. Another artist that they helped develop

866
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: pun Intended was the photographer en Ricartier Bresson, who would

867
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: later be recognized as a master of candid photography and

868
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: the pioneer of street photography. So humans of New York

869
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: take note exactly. Um. This guy was schooled in the arts,

870
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: and he was fascinated by the Surrealists, but he didn't

871
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: really care for his own paintings, and in the summer

872
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: of nineteen nine, his air squadron commander had placed him

873
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: under house arrest for hunting without a license. He met

874
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Harry Crosby by chance one day, and they bonded over

875
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: their shared interest in flying planes and photography. Now, photography

876
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: was still a pretty new technology in nine, and weirdly,

877
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people back then thought that this wasn't

878
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna last, or that maybe it was nice for portraits

879
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: and group shots, but it had no artistic merit. TikTok

880
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: is great for little dances, but you can't do anything

881
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: good with it, said the olds. Not me, come hip,

882
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: I see the value. Um. But Harry, like me, was

883
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: not one of these people. He saw the value. He

884
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be the next big thing

885
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: in artistic expression. He and Caress even print had some

886
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: of their books with photographs instead of illustrations. So Harry

887
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: persuaded Henri's commander to place Henri into Harry's custody and

888
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: he took into the Moulan de Sole, where they spent

889
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: the next few months taking and developing pictures together. Harry

890
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: even presented Henri with his first camera, and he presented

891
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: him to his wife, Caress, who Henri was very taken

892
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: with when he discovered that the couple had an open marriage.

893
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: Whoo boy, he was on that like uh photography, punt

894
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: like a like a like the mercury that sticks to

895
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: the paper develops the photo finger on a shutter like

896
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: a flash on a like. He was on that like

897
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: a portrait on a tin plate and Caress, look we're taking.

898
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: He and Caress began an intense, long term affair, and

899
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: that was good for Chris because Harry had a very

900
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: intense thing of his own going on at the time

901
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: as well. And that brings us to our next side piece.

902
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: Got an idea. Josephine Noise Rach was a rich, blue

903
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: blooded Bostonian. He was about to marry Albert bigelow In

904
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: and she had traveled to Europe to buy the most

905
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: beautiful clothes she could find for her wedding trousseau. Now right,

906
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Boston thought of her as fast and a bad egg.

907
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: So I guess she was already kind of bold and

908
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: flirty and stuff. So they were like, oh, this one

909
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: might get in trouble. And she went on to prove

910
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: it after she met Harry by chance when she was

911
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: out shopping. He guess he grabbed her fancy right away,

912
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: because they've he probably grabbed her something right away. She

913
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: must have liked it, because they meant to have sex

914
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: as often as possible during her eight day visit. How

915
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: often is as often as possible in eight days? Might

916
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: one say? I wondered that too, because I was like,

917
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: surely she's she's got things to do, she's that family

918
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: with her something watching her. How often could it possibly occur? Well?

919
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: How often can Harry? You know, Harry'll make time. Harry's like,

920
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: what I got to do? No, it's not the time

921
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm worried about for Harry. I'm like, how many times

922
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: in a day can you do it? Pal? He had cocaine,

923
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: and that's cocaine. He's like, don't worry about old Harry,

924
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: all right. The biographer Jeffrey Wolfe wrote, quote, Josephine was

925
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: strong willed and selfish, and she did not agonize much,

926
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: and deciding to become Harry's lover. Harry wrote to his

927
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: mother about this. He was apparently pretty used to confiding

928
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: in her just like whatever he was doing, and so

929
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, good for Henrietta, I guess. But some of

930
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: his letters must have been really hard for her to read,

931
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: including this one where he told her quote, I am

932
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: having an affair with a girl I met, not introduced

933
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: at the leado. She is twenty and has charm and

934
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: it's called Josephine. I like girls when they are very young,

935
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: before they have any minds. What oh lord. His mom

936
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: should have been like, first boat over there, I'm coming in,

937
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: don't you dare? I raised you better? I didn't. I

938
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't know nanny raised you. And it was terrible. She

939
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: probably told him, you know Mary as seventeen year old

940
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: or some girl mind. Funny thing. Also for for a

941
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: guy to say, who rapidly pursued a woman six years

942
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: old him too, So what a world this guy sucks?

943
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: I think he sucks to. I think I don't like Harry.

944
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: No you can't. I mean you can't like him. He's

945
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: having sex with underage people. He thinks women are dumb

946
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: when they're young, and that's why he pursues them like

947
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: open marriage, but he wants to yell at his wife

948
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: for doing it, like he's just got a lot of

949
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: things up right. I would just oh, I would have

950
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: a real hard time with this guy. Harry called Joe

951
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: Stephine quote the youngest Princess of the Sun and also

952
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: the fire princess. Now. Their affair ended in June. After

953
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: she went back to the US, she married Albert Bigelow. Done, done, done, Washington, Harry.

954
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: It was a nice eight day sex soaked romp. That's

955
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: the way to say it. Done now. Nope, just kidding.

956
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: It started right back up again in August, so only

957
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: a couple of months later. Once Albert Bigelow was at

958
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: Harvard as a graduate architecture student, Josephine, I guess, was like,

959
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: let me fill up his class hours with something else,

960
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: And according to Linda Himalian's book, unlike Caress, Josephine was

961
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: extremely jealous and she wanted to fight all the time,

962
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: and she would constantly send Harry quote half coherent cables

963
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: and letters like what am I going to see you next?

964
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: Where you meeting up next? I want to see you

965
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: right away? How dare you keep away? From me so

966
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: long do you not love me? Like? Just always in

967
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: his face now. On November, the Crosby's traveled back to

968
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: the US to visit their families, and Harry and Josephine

969
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: met up and they went off to Detroit together. Harry

970
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: and Josephine checked into an expensive hotel as Mr and

971
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: Mrs Harry Crane, and He's like, I need a last name.

972
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: Who's that guy got locked up in my attic? Right

973
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: in the poem Crane? That's it, That's it. And for

974
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: the next four days they just smoked opium and had sex.

975
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: They ate all their meals in bed, and on December seven,

976
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: Harry and Josephine went back to New York. Josephine planned

977
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: to get home to Boston and Albert Bigelow, but Harry

978
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: had a party to go to. Black Sun Press was

979
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: about to publish Hart Crane's poem The Bridge and Heart

980
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: was throwing a big party to celebrate. Harry partied with E. Cummings,

981
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: William Carlos Williams, Malcolm Cowley, and many others at that party,

982
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: which lasted until dawn, probably a lot of big words

983
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: being thrown around, and of course Cummings he starts talking

984
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: and you just can't stop because there's no punctuation, especially

985
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: on cocaine. I bet Commings on cocaine. I can't say

986
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: that he definitely did cocaine, but I have a comma, sir.

987
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: I gotta take a breath. A little E Cummings humor

988
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: and therefore a p lit friends um now, according to

989
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Francis Booth on Literary Ladies Guy dot com, the next night,

990
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: on December eighth, after this party, Harry very suddenly told

991
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Caress that he wanted to move up the date of

992
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: their suicide pact. Remember that, I know right what She's like, what?

993
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: We just have a great party. What is wrong with you?

994
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: He wanted them both to jump out of their hotel

995
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: room window the very next day and to achieve what

996
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: he called a son death. Caress was like, no, I'm good.

997
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I kind of thought we were joking about that whole

998
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: suicide pacting like that was just an excuse for us

999
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: to have some wacky, crazy fun. Maybe I'm still down

1000
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: to wait till whatever it is some time left. You're

1001
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: drunk anyway, Harry, why didn't she go sleep? This crazy

1002
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: notion off right? And maybe maybe she was like he

1003
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: just got a weird ide because this was, you know,

1004
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: only a few weeks after the giant stock market crash

1005
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: of his uncle's busy trying to save the economy and stuff,

1006
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: so windows exactly. He might have just been like, this

1007
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: is the time, you know, I can see him getting

1008
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: real like worked up about a bunch of mass suicide events. Yeah,

1009
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: and then you know he did a bunch of cocaine

1010
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: and smoked a ton of opium at the same time.

1011
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: He's having all kinds of crazy ideas. You know, what's

1012
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: a great idea? Some death was that? But then on

1013
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: December ninth, a poem arrived for Harry from Josephine. She

1014
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: had not left for Boston at all. She was still

1015
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: in New York, staying with one of her bridesmaid The

1016
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: poem was thirty six lines long, and it en did

1017
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: with the line quote death is our marriage. That same day,

1018
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Harry wrote his final journal entrigue quote one is not

1019
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: in love unless one desires to die with one's beloved.

1020
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: There is only one happiness. It is to love and

1021
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: to be loved. The next day, Caress met up with

1022
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: Harry's mother, Henrietta, and heart Crane to have dinner before

1023
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: heading out to see a Broadway play, but Harry didn't

1024
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: show up. That wasn't really like him, but Caress wasn't

1025
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: too concerned. She just called a friend named Stanley Mortimer,

1026
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: and she asked him to check his studio at the

1027
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: Hotel des Artistes because she knew that Harry used it

1028
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: a lot as a rendezvous for his various love affairs

1029
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. So she's like, he's probably lost track of

1030
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: the time his with some chick. Will you go get

1031
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: his ass and tell him to get to Broadway for

1032
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: this play. So Stanley went, but the door was locked

1033
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: and no answer to repeated knocking, so he ended up

1034
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: getting some help to break open the door, only to

1035
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: find Harry and Josephine laying together in bed, fully dressed

1036
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: but barefoot, locked in an affectionate embrace, with two matching

1037
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: gunshot wounds through their temples. Harry was still holding the

1038
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: pistol in his hand, and his wedding ring, which he

1039
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: had promised Caress would never leave his left hand, was

1040
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: found crushed into the carpet. This, of course, made for

1041
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: some pretty incredible headlines in the newspapers, because you got

1042
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: two rich, married adulterers dying in an apparent murder suicide,

1043
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: which is already enough to make a newsman d rule.

1044
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: But in addition they got too breathlessly report on all

1045
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: the unusual details, including Harry's red painted toenails, his foot tattoos,

1046
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: and the lack of the suicide. Note that that made

1047
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: speculation pretty rampant, because was this a double suicide? Uh? Maybe,

1048
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: But the corner reported that Josephine died two hours earlier

1049
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: than Harry, So had she shot herself and then maybe

1050
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: he had doubts afterwards? Or had Harry shot Josephine. Peter

1051
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Speaker 1: Lyle in the Telegraph rites quote London's Daily Mirror speculated

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: on psychological motives, while New York's Daily News blamed poetry

1053
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: and passion. Death itself had been the motive. Others speculated

1054
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: just as aspiring poet Harry's life had been his greatest artwork.

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: Harry called cigarettes coffin nails and knew very well that

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01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: the drugs he was using held dangers. While the couple's

1057
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: caretaker at their holiday home was also the village grave digger.

1058
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: Harry had erect to stone inscribed caress and Harry in

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: the grounds, so the guy was like obsessed with death yea,

1060
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: And people were like, maybe that was enough, and he

1061
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: had been talking about committing suicide the night before Josephine's

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: like death is our marriage. It sounds like he was

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01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: really on one and they who were both on they

1064
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: were both on one and and probably a lot of

1065
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol. Definitely, they had definitely smoked opium and

1066
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: they had drank a bottle of whiskey as well, so

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01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: that's those were both found in the hotel room as well.

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: So they definitely were not sober and they made that decision.

1069
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: But Josephine's family, including her husband Albert, thought that Harry

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: had tried to seduce her and then murdered her when

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01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't have her. But this, I don't know, it

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: sounds like wishful thinking. Yeah, Albert had said that they

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01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: were totally devoted to each other and he had never married,

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: He had never met Harry. Um, But I mean if

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: they had been, it was almost a year that they

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: had an affair going on, and she send him all

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01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: these telegrams and ships, So I feel like he just

1078
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: wished that was true, but just oblivious or totally oblivious. Yeah,

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: she was good at keeping a secret. I guess I

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: don't know, but well, Albert Bigelow went on to design

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: buildings for the nineteen World's Fair, and along with his

1082
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: second wife Sylvia, he became a Quaker and one of

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: them prominent protesters against nuclear weapons. He was also a

1084
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: freedom writer early in the civil rights movement. Once he

1085
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: was beaten with chains, and another time the bus he

1086
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: was riding on was bombed in Alabama. He died in

1087
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,480
Speaker 1: pretty amazing life to lead after all this, being disappointed

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01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: in love so young, well man, Josephine sounded like a

1089
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: real handful. Okay, Sylvia sounds like a better match for

1090
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: Robert bigel Now, Kress, I mean, had to be devastating

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: because first of all, she was always worried about Harry

1092
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: not loving her enough. Then she finds out that he's like,

1093
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: I want to die with the person I love and

1094
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 1: dies with someone else after they already had a suicide pact,

1095
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: going and find her ring in the carpet, like just

1096
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: so many ways of being horrible to her, in my opinion, terrible.

1097
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: The first thing she did was get her children to her.

1098
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: So she got her son and her daughter brought them

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: to her and they both went. They all went to

1100
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: the mill together and she just lived there for a

1101
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: few months alone. But listen, she was far from done

1102
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: with her extraordinary life. Um. She didn't die until nineteen seventies.

1103
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: She hasn't many years left to contribute to the arts. Um.

1104
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: She continued to publish important authors and artists in paperback,

1105
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: like Enrimatiss, Pablo Picasso, Dorothy Parker, and Nias Ninn, so

1106
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: on and so forth. She actually was even about to

1107
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: publish a paperback translation of Love Vagabond by Collette when

1108
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: her company ended up closing because she could not convince

1109
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: booksellers that paperbacks would ever be popular. God, she was

1110
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: so smart, and they just would not believe. Why wouldn't

1111
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: anyone want their booked away? Four? Like, what do you

1112
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: mean no one would want a paperback? I think they

1113
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: were likely probably associated with like dime novels or so

1114
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: they were like, no one will read a real book

1115
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: that's in paperback or whatever. But I did wonder. I

1116
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: thought they must have had so many similar social circles

1117
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: as co lead that I'm surprised their names never came

1118
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: up in each other's story, right, So I'm glad there

1119
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: was some kind of connection. She also had a decade

1120
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: long affair with a black boxer named Canada Lee that

1121
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: started in nineteen thirty four, even though, of course there

1122
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: are many laws at the time against interracial sex or marriage,

1123
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: so she would meet him in secret for lunch in Harlem,

1124
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: and when her brother said that he had a problem

1125
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: with it, she refused to speak to him for ten years.

1126
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: And Canada Lee was actually the only one of her

1127
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: lovers who never asked her for money. Even when his

1128
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: nightclub was going under, he wouldn't let her rescue it.

1129
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: She also married a guy eighteen years younger than her

1130
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: who did nothing but run up her bills, go on

1131
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: years long solo trips by himself, and drink so fortunately

1132
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: she eventually divorced him in nineteen forty one. She did

1133
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: have to leave Europe during World War Two, and she

1134
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: was distressed to learn that the Nazis had made their

1135
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: base camp in the Mulanda painting over her incredible guest

1136
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: book wall. So frustrating, even though ironically this wall included

1137
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: Ava bronze signature on it was Hitler's future wife, of course,

1138
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: so ironic. I guess Ava was hanging out at those parties,

1139
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: was hanging out with those chartings them a little more

1140
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable than they already were. Well, Ezra Pounds ended up

1141
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: being pretty big into passionate them as well, So I

1142
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: guess everyone was better than Ezra. Anybody you get a chuckle,

1143
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: just leave this house. Caress also helped an author named

1144
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: Henry Miller support himself by ghost writing pornography. This guy

1145
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: had gotten a nice advance to write some smut, but

1146
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 1: he didn't really like writing it, and he knew that

1147
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: Caress was writing pieces of erotica for a nice nin

1148
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: smut club, so he asked her for help. She apparently

1149
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: churned out two hundred pages with no problem, and the

1150
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: publisher was like, or please, it's probably like what did

1151
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: I do at one time? Chapter three, Donkey Polo. She

1152
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: bought a castle in Rome and made it into an

1153
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: artist's colony where they could stay for a season or

1154
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: a whole year at a time, just making stuff. Again,

1155
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: it cannot be overstated how important that is the artistic tellum.

1156
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: So I admire it, even though she herself said it

1157
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: was a very uncomfortable place that she would hate to

1158
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: spend any time. Uh As Ninn once said about her quote,

1159
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: Caress Crosby enters but the buoyancy of a powder puff

1160
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: caressing voice was that how she gained the nickname of

1161
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: Caress from Harry Crosby. Her fur hat, her eyelashes, her

1162
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: smile all glittery with animation. The word on her lips

1163
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: is always yes, and all her being says yes, yes,

1164
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: yes to all that is happening and all that has

1165
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: offered her. She trails behind her like the plume of

1166
01:12:54,600 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: a peacock. A fabulous legend. Wow, Caress Crosby, Caress, I mean, look,

1167
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: saying yes to everything can have such amazing things, and

1168
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: also you can have some really bad things. That's how

1169
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: you end up with Ava Braun at your parties, which

1170
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: again I do not want my photograph take. You know

1171
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: what I think? Actually, at the end of this, I

1172
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: have to skip the party. Oh yeah, you're not going

1173
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: Look it was it was all fun and games. We're

1174
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: drinking out of skulls and wrestling on the floor, and

1175
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: then there's miners. Uh, there's some weird mutilation happening. And also, oh,

1176
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: who's that over there? Oh it's just Adolph Hitler's wife.

1177
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: Come on, even future wife. Still I'm imagining that I

1178
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: have my current knowledge being invited this party and I'm like, no,

1179
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry at a hard pass. It does feel like

1180
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: an Epstein's Island type thing. There's many names that you're like,

1181
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: how cool to party with them, and then when you

1182
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: find out what's going on or not, I'm so glad

1183
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 1: my name is not catch and anyway. So yeah, I mean,

1184
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: I really it was such a cool suggestion. Thanks again

1185
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: to Tombre, Tamber tom Brim. However you say it, let

1186
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: us know. I'm sorry if I mutilated it, but thank

1187
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: you for this suggestion. Because they just had a really

1188
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: complicated life. They weren't. They're not people that it's easy

1189
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: to decide when there another about I mean, they did

1190
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot of terrible things. They did a lot of

1191
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: cool things, really rich and layered and complicated and terrible

1192
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: and awesome, just interesting wealthy Americans and Europeans in early century. Yeah,

1193
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: we're all that. I mean, they were doing such cool

1194
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: stuff and also like the worst things. I know, it's

1195
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: so true to just to bring it back to and

1196
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: or I did see somebody say that what they were

1197
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: loving about the show is how much they would They

1198
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,879
Speaker 1: were trying to show how bad people can be good

1199
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: and righteous and very like I'm trying to do the

1200
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: right thing, and good people can be very ruthless and cruel,

1201
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: and that just saying, like you just the actions alone,

1202
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: is it's really hard to just judge someone that they're

1203
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: individuality and how are they working in the system there

1204
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: in and all that sort of thing. It was just

1205
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: really interesting and I was like, that's how I'm feeling

1206
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I feel like we feel that so

1207
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: often on the show. And I think any historian, you know,

1208
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: not that we're like historians, but we're sitting here reading

1209
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: a lot of history, and you do find that it's

1210
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: really hard to just call someone a good or a

1211
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: bad person. Um. I mean, you know, there's certainly that

1212
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: like a drop of bad can really make can really

1213
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, tent your whole color into something pretty bade um.

1214
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: So there's that, But also, you know, some fascinating things

1215
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: in the world would never have happened without some of

1216
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: these awful people were or they would have good people.

1217
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: That's what you don't know. I wish they had just

1218
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: been good people and not or it would have just

1219
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: been different art. You know, like that's the thing that

1220
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: that's sometimes I have to catch myself when I'm like, oh,

1221
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: but how could we live without as repounds book or whatever?

1222
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: You know whatever, I'm not you know whatever, I mean,

1223
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: we could be fine with that, but you know what,

1224
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: never like James Droys or whatever, you know what your

1225
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: favorite author is that somebody helped usher them into the

1226
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: zeitgeist somewhere or another, and you're like, well, thank god

1227
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: they did that. I wouldn't change anything, because I would

1228
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: not want to not have this book available to me now.

1229
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: But like what was not made otherwise that you might

1230
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: cherish as much because you don't know about the other thing.

1231
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: You know, just time and how it works. Sure is well?

1232
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: I hope you'll enjoyed this episode. Who's Wild rid Crazy

1233
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: is wild, truly wild, so bumpy. It must be what

1234
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: it must be like to play a game aim of

1235
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: Drunken Donkey Polo and now we all know go through

1236
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: the cross flay. Uh, let us know how your game

1237
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: a Drunken Donkey Polo went. Listen to this one. We'd

1238
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: love to hear from you, and please send us more

1239
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: suggestions like these. Please really give us so much to

1240
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Speaker 1: work with and it's so fun. We love hearing them.

1241
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1242
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1245
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,080
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1246
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,160
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