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Speaker 1: The shares of a Tesla Motors today fell more than

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Speaker 1: ten and a half percent. Well, is there any specific

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Speaker 1: news from the company that would cause such a decline?

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily, although Wall Street is questioning whether Elon Musk's

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Speaker 1: plan to combine Tesla Motors with Solar City will actually

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Speaker 1: go through or even as good for the companies. Here

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Speaker 1: to tell us more is Salim Morsey, Advanced Transport analyst

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Salium, thanks very much for

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Speaker 1: being with us, Thanks for having me. Is there any

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Speaker 1: technical reason, any strategic reason why combining a solar power

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Speaker 1: that giga factory for batteries, But is there a technical

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Speaker 1: reason why they are a fit? A technical reason, not

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Speaker 1: so much. I think this has been a quite a

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Speaker 1: loadly day for Elon Musk uh since announcing UH this

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Speaker 1: UH this proposed acquisition the the this this falls into

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Speaker 1: a narrative of a unified vision that Musk has that

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Speaker 1: far exceeds I think the the time horizons that investors have.

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Speaker 1: This has to do with the fact that he wants

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Speaker 1: to integrate this his his vision of having clean energy

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Speaker 1: powering vehicles that are zero tail pipe emissions. But in

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Speaker 1: the short term, I think investors are having a very

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Speaker 1: hard time understanding the ins and outs of this proposed deal.

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Speaker 1: Why is it because we don't understand Investors unless they're

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Speaker 1: very specialized, don't understand the the industry, the technology. I

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Speaker 1: think that's part of it. That there was a very

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Speaker 1: famous question in the last earnings called solar City that

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Speaker 1: simply asked them what is solar city? Leaving leaving that aside, though,

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Speaker 1: Tesla is facing existential milestones it has to meet in

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Speaker 1: the next two years. It's valuation depends on it. The

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Speaker 1: a month ago also depends on it, and those are

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Speaker 1: very simple and straightforward in many ways. Though it's ramping

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Speaker 1: up the production of Model three half a million cars

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Speaker 1: a year, they say, by as well as building the

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Speaker 1: clear at all that acquiring a solar company helps execute

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Speaker 1: those goals. And this would also be a family business,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it exactly? So it's his two first cousins are

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Speaker 1: the the run Solar City they came up with this

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Speaker 1: idea when they were going to burning Man, so says

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Speaker 1: the kind of urban folklore about about how the company

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Speaker 1: was started. So yes, Elon Musko's about both of Tessa

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Speaker 1: and Solar City, and his first cousins run the solar company.

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Speaker 1: He's recused himself as a shareholder and voting for this,

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Speaker 1: uh this deal. But certainly I think there's going to

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Speaker 1: be some corporate governance issues going forward. Well, um, you

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Speaker 1: yourself have said that in terms of a Solar City acquisition,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't help him. Elon must that is, execute critical

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Speaker 1: milestones like keeping its focus on completing its Giga factory

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Speaker 1: quickly ramping up production and model of the Model three.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that that's exactly right. I think

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Speaker 1: that that, you know, the Tessa and and the valuation

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Speaker 1: in the last few years because folks have been willing

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Speaker 1: to follow Elon Musk and his vision. I think today

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Speaker 1: the company hit a critical kind of fork in the

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Speaker 1: road where love investors said, Okay, hold on, you're loading

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Speaker 1: up Tesla now with over three billion dollars of debt

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Speaker 1: from Solar City for an enterprise value of solar City

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Speaker 1: that is just under six billion dollars and it's a

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Speaker 1: you know, a company that has had deteriorating financials, specifically

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Speaker 1: their balance sheet. And again it is really not clear

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Speaker 1: how these quote unquote synergies fit into each other. And

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Speaker 1: if you listen to a conference call that Musk had

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Speaker 1: But sadly for him, I think in the short term,

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Speaker 1: investors are interested in return on investments and that didn't

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Speaker 1: particularly impress anyone in the market today. Well, as you said,

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Speaker 1: taking a look at the share price for example of

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Speaker 1: solar City, Uh, the offered range of the deal is

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Speaker 1: but it closed, So that kind of tells you what

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Speaker 1: and it's frankly a commoditizing business, and commodities you know,

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Speaker 1: usually don't generate great margins. They're usually low margin business.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the pitches that we heard Elon musk

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Speaker 1: And I guess no matter who accuses from a deal, uh,

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Speaker 1: the you know, in the pit of their stomach, investors

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Speaker 1: may still be wondering if the fact that he's related to,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Solar City guys is some some influence

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Speaker 1: and Elon must have been just such darlings. Doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what he does, right, everybody loves him in his stock

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Speaker 1: moves higher. Maybe people are just you know, maybe this

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Speaker 1: shine just it isn't enough to keep people saying, you

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Speaker 1: go Elon, certainly, I think that's a great point. I

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Speaker 1: think that's you know, that's pretty much what happened. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're very must be a very smart company, surrounds himself

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Speaker 1: with very smart people. I have no doubt that in

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Speaker 1: likely that this, uh, this reaction was was was anticipated. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, from their perspective, perhaps they anticipated this and

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Speaker 1: they think that fundamentally this is the right move for

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Speaker 1: the company. I mean, we should give them credit that. No,

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Speaker 1: there is from our perspective at Bloomberg new energy finance

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Speaker 1: growth opportunities. For sure. In the residential PV industry in

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Speaker 1: to the roost a month, but that again may not

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Speaker 1: be enough to sustain Tesla through the next two years.

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Speaker 1: Slen Morrisey, thank you so very much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: What excellent perspective on Tesla. Elon musk the two point

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Speaker 1: eight billion dollar announcement, uh well, and announcement of a

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Speaker 1: two point eight billion dollar acquisition to buy Solar City.

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