WEBVTT - Sam Robards 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:09.640 Hi, It's Sam Robarts. I played the chaptain in Gossip Girl. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.920 Welcome back, listeners to your one and only source into 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.079 all things gossip Grow. You know you'll love it. X 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.840 O x O. What's up everyone? Welcome back to x 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.360 O x O. I'm Jessica's or and this week we're 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.120 pausing our rewatch to catch up with someone I've wanted 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.159 to bring on the podcast for a while now, and 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.320 today it's finally happening. He plays a character who is 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.839 kind of controversial. He punches his own son, He's committed 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.680 a few crimes, and here's a hint our. Last episode, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.199 we saw him walk out in handcuffs. Today we have 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.720 who else Howard the Captain Archibald himself an amazing actor, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.640 Sam Robarts. We're going to break down the first two 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.560 Crazy seasons with Sam before the Captain heads off to jail. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:18.800 You don't want to miss this one. Here's Sam Hill. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.600 How are you? I'm doing so well? This is not 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.600 to make it super awkward or weird right from the jump. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.880 Your voice is super, super sexy and wonderful. Why thank you? 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.600 And now I'm all uncomfortable. I know I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Well, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.520 thank you for being here, or of course, thank you 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.080 for asking me. I appreciate it for sure. So we've 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.839 been doing like walk down memory lanes and rewatching and 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.480 all the things. But I don't think i've seen you 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.680 since we were filming Gossip Girl, which is over a 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.480 decade ago. Oh my god, that's correct. Yeah. I also 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.520 don't think we ever had a scene together. I know 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.800 we were definitely would cross pass in the makeup room, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.600 or you know, you'd have a scene before me or 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.880 something on the day, but I don't recall because I 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.320 was always I like a lot of your work, so 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.200 I was always very like happy to be like, oh 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.679 Sam's here, like he's you're just I'm a big fan 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.639 of a lot of your films and the first sweet 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.120 of you. Yeah, I think I think our initial meeting 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.359 was that that whatever that party was. I think I'm 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.720 thinking season two or when I came Ember, when when 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.760 we were on the East River and that hospital over 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.280 right about the FDR. Yes, that's my memory of I 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:40.320 think are one scene together along with other people, but right, yeah, 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.440 let's okay. So this is Sam Robots who played the 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.359 Captain Howard Archibald. Why don't you tell us about how 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.200 Gossip Girl came about if you you know, knew you 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.760 wanted to do it right away? Was was there an audition, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.000 wasn't an offer? Like kind of what was your experience 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.680 with Gossip Girl like to be a part of it. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.520 I was living in Europe and I had just come 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.000 back to the States into New York sort of the like. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.720 I think it was like February of oh seven, and 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.040 I got a call from my agent and they were like, look, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.119 there's this new show and they want you to read 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.520 for the show. I was like, okay, so I read it. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.679 And actually I initially had read for Matthew Settles role 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.680 rufus Yeah, but I think I was too old or 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.560 maybe I just was too much of the captain already 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.800 no um and so anyway, so I went and I 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.040 read for it, and they were like, okay, Mark. I 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.520 think it was the guy who directed the pilot. I 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.480 can remember his last day and he was like you 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.880 know what he had to talk and I don't know whatever, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.200 and they were like, they want you to read for 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:47.960 the Captain and I was like, okay, great, I'll read 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.000 for the Captain. But in the pilot, I mean, I 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.560 think it might have been seven words or seven not 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.280 even seven lines, maybe seven lots. Like it was like 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.400 over there, how you doing make it easy? Like that 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.800 was it? And I was like, look, I'm happy to 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.400 read this. I don't know what on earth how you're 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.720 going to cast it because off of these three lines. Yeah, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.600 I mean, I'm happy to do it. And if I 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.640 if I get the job, and I think they I 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.200 feel like they wrote some bunk scene, you know, some 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:24.039 phony Balogney scene just as an audition thing, and somehow 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.039 I got it so and that's how that's how I 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.400 got Yeah, well I love it, and you played it 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.599 so well. And there's this character I mean, because I 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.640 know I'm re watching it obviously with this podcast and 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.640 all the things, but I didn't even know half the 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.400 stuff that Howard the Captain was going through and what 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:45.360 he pulls and what he does. I'm like, this motherfucker's nuts. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.080 But you also did it in such a way where 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.320 you you still fight for him and care for him 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.200 and root for him. You know. It's kind of like 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.440 William H. Macy on Shameless, like he's like you you know, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.240 thank you? Well it is he does all this like 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.839 crazy things to his family and put them in really 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.720 really uncomfortable, wild positions. But yet you guys both play 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.200 these roles so well that you you give us a 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.480 reason to keep caring and fighting for you. But on paper, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.960 if you would like read what you know the Captain does, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.440 you'd be like, you hate this guy, but you, the 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.400 way you play it is so wonderful than you. Yeah, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:22.400 a whiskey swelling, coke snorting, child beating and besler. I mean, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:29.160 come on, that's yeah, that exactly. Okay, So before we 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.480 get into all the storylines and filming in New York 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.800 and playing Chase his dad and being a part of 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.880 you know, this crazy awesome show that now I always 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.400 understood why it was a hit and why people liked 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.640 it because of reading it, and you know, all the 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.560 acting was so great and we all had such a 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.240 fun time bringing these storylines and all the things to life, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.680 but really watching it and seeing it all put together, 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.800 I'm like, okay, wow, this was really something. So it's 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.960 really been fun for me because I just I just 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.960 kind of did it and went on with you know, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.600 shooting and living my life there and and working without 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.880 really going back and being like, oh my god. And 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.200 it's been so fun. So but before we do that, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.360 you're you were born in New York, correct, Like your 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:15.840 resume is insane, I'm serious, Like, what what got you 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.440 into acting? What? What was I mean? I know you're 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.120 both of your parents are Hollywood Royalty, Jason Robards and 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.200 Lauren Bicall. Was it because you were born into it 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.320 or was there something you watched or was it? Well, actually, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:35.240 my grandfather was an actor as well, amazing, and he 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.479 had this sign because he was he was a theater 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.680 actor before he moved out to Los Angeles in the 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:50.560 twenties and he when they started going too talkies, but um, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.479 he was he was an actor on the on the 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.880 road and you know, touring on all these shows. And 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.520 my dad had a sign, a wooden sign from my 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:06.320 grandfather because in those days, you know, actors were second 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.120 class citizens. We were we were considered people of quote 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.480 unquote low morals, that we were not trusted. And this 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.120 sign said we do not lease rooms to theatricals. It 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.560 was from a boarding house. And when my father went 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.640 to begin his career in acting, my grandfather said to him, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.800 never forget an actor shot Lincoln, which is true. So 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.760 that was sort of the world that my grandfather came from, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.920 which was then filtered down to my father's world. And 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.880 then my mom came from a totally different place, which 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.880 was you know, she was a fan, and then she 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.400 married you know, the biggest movie star in the world, Bogie, 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:49.240 and they had their their story. Yeah, that's wild, right, 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.560 they had their their thing. And then you know, when 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.120 I was in my parents it was when I was 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.400 growing up, there were all these things that were sort 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.480 of in the air, in the ether, and they would 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.560 constantly be talking about, oh, this job and I want 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.400 to do this, and someone else got it, but what 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.400 about decision and that, and it was just always there. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.440 And then I would see them in shows on stage. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.600 I was also on a set, but as a kid 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.360 a set, as you I'm sure you know, it's just 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.520 deeply boring. Nobody's really quiet. You can't do and he's 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.679 like going to church, you can't do anything unless you laugh, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.120 which then is hilarious. But but in the theater, you know, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.280 they'd be up there and I'd be in the audience, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.080 and or i'd be backstage where it was, which it 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.960 was very different backstage. But when I was in the 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.600 audience and they and the audience was grooving on and 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.600 the play was going on, and this was happening, and 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.400 that was happening, and it was my parents that were 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.240 on stage, but it wasn't them, but it was them. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.200 They would appear briefly and then they would disappear into 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.160 their character, and it was it was a little confusing 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.880 for me as as a as a child. And then 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.440 afterwards I'd go backstage and you know, all the glad 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.720 handing and everyone's just you're the greatest nace and sliced bread, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.720 who were you? You know, all the the usual blah 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.960 blah blah that you get. And then while all that 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.360 was happening, I would go on stage after the audience 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.520 had left, and I would look out at the at 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.040 this empty theater, and I'd be like, okay, so it's 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.000 okay for me to be on stage right now because 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.240 nobody's here. But half an hour before I couldn't be 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.040 on stage and everybody and so that whole weird thing 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.520 of like yeah, and I was like, what is happening. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.720 There's something that's happening here. So that sort of started 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.240 the German Nation in my brain and I went to, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.360 you know, tons of plays when I was a kid. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.920 I was dragged hither and yon and and went to 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.720 see my parents shows many many times. Anyway, that's how 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.880 I got started. I just was like, I got booted 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.520 out of college, and I was like, you know what, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.560 I don't really want to go back to school. I mean, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.760 I guess I could get a bartending job or a 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.640 waiter job, but I want to just give this a 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.360 rip because I just don't want to wake up when 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.319 I'm worthy and go well, should have tried it? Yeah, yeah, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.600 And so then I have. So I got a job 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.520 as an understudy assistant stage manager, which is in a 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.480 play at the Cherry Lane. It's a category that sadly 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.200 doesn't exist anymore in equity. It should because you really 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.280 do learn about the theater. You'll actually learned the nuts 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.520 and bolts of being in a show and what it 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.680 entails blah blah blah, which can be more more than 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.200 a lot of other things that you that people think 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.520 you need to do right but totally totally. Yeah, And 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.720 then I got and then so that I got that job. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.160 You know, I made two sixty seven a week and change. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.920 But that was when you could live in New York 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.520 and you know, a movie was four fifty and a 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.839 ball game was four bucks. And you know, I mean 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.760 you could rent was like three dollars and if you 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.000 split it with somebody you could live in New York. Then, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.480 right you were really you really knew how to do it, right, Yeah, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.120 well that's how you live. So and then I got 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.200 another job, like a big job and a movie job, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.920 and then I then it finally an Asian was like, yeah, okay, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:02.280 we'll we'll represent yeah. So and that's how that's sort 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.800 of how I got started. I love this. And when 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.680 you were nominated for a Tony for the man who 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.240 had all the luck, how well, I mean, you put 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.240 all this energy and time, and everyone's method is different 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.679 or the way they get into roles. And I'm not sure. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.960 I've never done theater, but do you prepared differently than 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.560 when you were preparing for the Captain or for a film? 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.400 Is it completely different? Totally? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I mean 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.480 it's I mean, because obviously you're rehearsing because on Broadway 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.480 before we did that show on Broadway, we we were 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:39.960 were the year before we put it up in Williamstown, Massachusetts, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.800 the Theater Festival there with virtually the same cast and 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.720 It was very strange because Arthur Miller was in the 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.480 rehearsal room, and my dad had worked with Arthur years 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.240 before they would start helped to start Lincoln Center in 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.079 the early sixties. That was the name of that senior moment. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.720 I can't remember the name of that play that he 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.920 was in. Any way, it was so anyway, so like 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.280 it was that was cool and intense. You know, like 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.280 when you're working with somebody, it doesn't matter what kind 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.920 of quote unquote method they use. It's just like, can 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.079 you deliver the goods? That's all really. Everybody cares about that. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.720 Nobody cares about what your process is other than hey, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.160 we're ready to go. You're you're ready, right, yeah, yeah, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.080 nobody cares. But theater obviously is very different because not 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.000 only well yeah, but you have a little bit more 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.200 time to find it. And you know, it starts in 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.240 the rehearsal room where the director and obviously in this 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:47.000 case Arthur Miller, they have an idea about what they 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.559 want the show to be and they tell you that idea, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.360 and then as you go through the rehearsal process of 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.360 a few weeks, it starts to become each of ours, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.120 all of us who are playing these different care it 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.960 starts to become our show. We're using their template to 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.439 discover how we can deliver it, right, and then they 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.240 have to sort of let it go until you know, 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.040 once the curtain goes up, it's ours, right, there's no cut, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.240 nobody's going to sounds bad and yeah, and you know, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.360 and in the theater it's very different. I mean, obviously 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.360 in film and television it's totally collaborative. You need every 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.240 single person. You need every rigging grip, every yeah, I mean, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.960 you need every electrician and crafty and just transport. You 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.720 just need everybody all in collaborating. Yeah, you need every 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.600 piece to that little putt. And in the theater that's 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.520 true too, although if you were to strip away everything, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.520 you don't even really need a theater. You just need 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.080 a space outdoors and you just need an author to 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.240 write the words, right, an actor to interpret the words, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.400 and an audience to receive the words. And then and 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.680 you've got yourself a play, right, and send back there 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.920 their interpretation of what you're doing, which it changes because 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.800 it's a live thing, right, it's a vertical thing. You 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.920 throw these ideas up in the air and people take 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.080 what they want as opposed to like this horizontal medium 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.960 of the film where a director can speed up or 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.320 slow down a scene or actor's reactions or take one 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.440 out or whatever. So it's very it's a totally different discipline. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.320 But so that's that's the difference for me. And I mean, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.960 I love it just because it's as an actor, it's 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.240 just so freeing and it's terrifying, which is great because 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:38.040 I think you should always scare yourself. Yeah. See, to me, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:39.640 that's what I think would be one of the funniest 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.840 things because of how yeah, scary and and challenging, probably 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.560 for the first time to like, especially someone who's for me. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.040 So I used to doing TV. That's why I love 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.120 going to place because it's they're just so fulfilling to me. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.440 You got to be in one, Jessica. I know. I 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.000 we should do one together. Maybe it's maybe my first 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.040 one will be with you. I'm in I love that. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.440 Oh my gosh. So when you got the call? Who 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.080 called you? How did you know you were nominated for 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.160 a Tony Let's let's just finish that and then we 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.040 can get into some gossip girl stuff. But I'm like 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.840 fascinated with this because I think theater even what isn't 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.960 when you go to watch what you get from it. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.360 It's just such a different feeling than when you watch 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.440 a film or television, Like just sitting in the theater 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.360 watching this, being in the same room, watching the people 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.040 deliver their lines in the same present, you know what 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.280 I mean, Because you're right there. You know, you can't 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.080 pause it, you can't say, hey, what did he say? 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.040 Or you know you're crying like you're just in it 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.480 with them, You're on this ride with them in real life. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.320 And I just find that so fascinating. So I think 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.440 getting nominated for a Tony is like epic and like amazing. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.000 It was. It was I I couldn't believe it because 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.880 there were there were so many other performances in our 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.720 show that I thought were equally I mean, I don't know, honestly, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.880 I don't know what the greater is. I just and 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.520 I was playing this sort of oddball part of an 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.360 Austrian and guy and I had a mustache and glasses 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.240 and I would just come out and I would hear 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.520 this whispering in the audience, and I couldn't quite figure 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.720 out what it was. I kept thinking, must be doing 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.760 something wrong at my fly open. I don't know, like 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.960 what was going on, and I realized later on that 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.440 people were going because for some reason I nailed that 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.280 Austrian accent with a lot of help from the dialect 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.000 coach and other actors and everything and a lot of 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.760 hard work. But I think people were confused who I was. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.200 They didn't know me right away, and I think that's 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.160 what that whispering was. And I think that and it 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.360 was also that part was the part that sort of 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.560 was to do with the emotional arc of cryst O'donald's 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.040 character of the main character, so that I think that 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.760 that helped to get the Tony nod. I can't remember. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.520 I do know that I got a Drama Desk nomination 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:57.360 first because those were the first ones, and then I 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.760 can't remember. I think I got a ohne call from 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:08.080 Kate Burton, who Richard Burton's daughter, amazing actress in her 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:12.720 own right, and she had gotten nominated for Elephant Man, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.600 which was also on Broadway at that time. She and 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.200 I have known each other for many many years as 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:24.960 our parents were friends, and she was like, hey, we 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.680 got nominated. I think that's how it it came down, 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.080 as I recall, but twenty years ago, so I have 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.520 no memory, right, I know, it's so wonderful though. That 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.159 had to be a wonderful, wonderful feeling. Yeah. It was 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.840 a little weird though, too, because then you have a 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.640 month before the Tonys and everyone was coming to see 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.840 the show even more so than they were before, Right, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.960 And I didn't necessarily quote unquote feel pressure. But it 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.639 was the only Tony nomination that the whole show got. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.800 I don't think there were any actors that were that way, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.600 but I think there were some people who were who 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.280 noses were a little out of joint, who thought that 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.679 the show could should have gotten more nods because it 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.119 was Arthur Miller's first play that he wrote as a 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.760 young man, and it was the first time on Broadway 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.840 and since nine and actually the guy who played the 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.520 part that I played was one of my early acting teachers. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.000 That's awesome. Yeah, so there was a lot of a 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:28.159 lot of connections, a lot of connections in that show. Wow, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.919 that's awesome. I wish I could go, like, watch you 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.240 in that play. It's a great play and a lovely 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:52.280 part of that's yeah. Yeah, well that's awesome. Okay, about 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.879 another role you played. You know Howard the captain Archibald 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.800 never heard of him jumping into this. This character gets 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.560 arrested for cocaine fraud, embezzlement, please the country to escape 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:11.320 his trial, returns to kidnap ann and Nate. Um is 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.000 released from prison to live with Nate later on, and 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.040 then you kind of just had one of a final appearance. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.080 It was in the last episode I watched you you 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.959 turn Yourself in, which okay, I just that's a lot 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.800 on the captain's plate, a lot going on so on 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.280 paper when you were I don't know, it's been so long. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.600 I mean, what's the character breakdown for for the captain? Well, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:43.480 it was. It was funny because initially I got there 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.120 and then the like, I think one of the first 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.960 scenes we shot was me in my quote unquote office, right, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.080 and it was all this nautical stuff, like there was 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.680 a you know, a sex stint and a ship's bell 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.120 and a captain's hat, and and I was like, okay, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.119 and I said, like I came. I think Stephanie was 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.879 there in their early days. Josh came a few times, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.480 but Stephanie was there definitely a few times. And I 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.119 said to them and also to set deck and all 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.040 those guy was like, you know, actually, I think I 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.560 don't think it's a nautical thing. I think, actually, what 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.440 this guy is, he's a working class guy from one 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.000 of the outer boroughs who actually is a captain at 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.840 a restaurant. And what he does is he tries to 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:34.320 find rich, lonely Upper east Side women and bed them, 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.840 and then he found one and married her and stole 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.560 the money, which was which was a very different different 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.680 vibe than I think that they were thinking initially, Yeah, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.960 and I don't know that, but that's my guess, and 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.600 I think that they then sort of ran with that, 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.280 which I liked because I you know, you hope that 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.199 your character, especially in a show that goes on for 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.240 a number of seas, and you know that Gossip Girl 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.600 was like a big ass hit, so you know, you 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.600 you hope that your character will find some redemption, which, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:13.960 in his roundabout completely idiotic way, the captain did by 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.040 turning himself in because he tried to kill um No, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.600 but you know, you know um so that was where 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.520 it started. So were you you were just sitting on 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:28.240 the set and seeing all these like was like, it's 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.600 not a captain's hat. It's not it's not that exactly. No, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.960 I like that more right because it autumn. Well, it 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.600 just makes it a little bit more specific, well then 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.760 it and it also makes a little it makes more 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.879 sense where you're like, Okay, you kind of cannot understand 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.560 where he's coming from in a way, do you know 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.080 what I'm saying? Like Otherwise you're like, here's this you know, 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.320 very wealthy man who chose to you know, as a 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.440 dad and is choosing his addiction or all these things 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.720 over like and it was all her money, right, That's 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.479 what I'm saying. That's the whole thing. Yeah, it doesn't 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:05.480 justify what he's doing, but it definitely makes you like, hmm, okay, 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.399 that makes a little bit more sense, right exactly. So 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.320 that was because I just didn't make it because then 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.600 I was like, okay, so what's captain? And then what 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.560 exactly I drive a barge? I don't understand. And you know, 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.920 they sort of had the other parents like the basses 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.600 and all that, we're all super uber rich and and 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.480 it just it was just nice, nice to be a 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:33.679 little flawed, right absolutely. Okay, So let's talk about the 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.040 captain's relationship with Nate, because there were some things that 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.400 like Nate have. He decides to sleep with the duchess 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.520