WEBVTT - Mass Media and White Ignorance 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.239 me your girl Danielle Moody doing a pre record as 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.680 it is my birthday week and I have taken the 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.959 rest of the week off, but dear ones, I always 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.000 think of you before I head out on a mini 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.720 relaxing vacation. So I have banked a bunch of really 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:38.080 good interviews and today I'm really excited to bring back 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:42.240 on to woke F my friend and MSNBC host Aimen 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.879 Mohadeen m I have known Amen for a couple of 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.800 years now, and I have to tell you that he 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.040 is one of the host and reporters and journalists that 0:00:54.200 --> 0:01:00.160 I really appreciate and whose voice I value because, as 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.520 I complain a lot les, let's let's be clear and 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.440 rightfully so that our media, the mainstream media, is full 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.640 of shit and they are the biggest instruments for white supremacy. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.600 What do I mean by that? You know, depending on 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.280 where you are in your career and what time of 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.440 day you come on, and I want to give you 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.200 a little bit of like insight into TV and how 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.399 TV works, regardless of whether or not you're in entertainment 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.440 or you're in politics. It kind of works the same way, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.720 which is that ratings run everything. And if there are 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.280 big stories to cover and that's what everybody's paying attention to, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.640 then the powers that be say, this is what you're 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:51.640 paying attention to. But I often ask the question, particularly, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.560 let's use critical race theory as an example, which Aimon 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.240 and I will talk about. Critical race theory is a 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:05.279 bullshit topic that the right has decided is their motive 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.880 entree these days. It's the thing, it's the boogeyman, it's 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.239 the thing that they're going to get all riled up about. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.200 And the reality is what we all know to be 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.919 true because we believe in facts, is that critical race 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.800 theory is something that is taught in law school. It 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.920 is something that is taught at the graduate level. It 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.840 is not taught in K through twelve education. There is 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.720 no curriculum for critical race theory. But what white folks 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.760 have decided is that they don't want their children learning 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.000 from black and brown authors. They don't want a critical 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:45.680 analysis about this country, right, about our history, our founding, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:53.280 how certain policies are approved and work for the benefit 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.720 of a small group of people. They don't want to. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.480 And as I talked about yesterday. They don't want to 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:05.320 interrogate their emotions right around what it means to be white, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.840 to have white privilege, to have societies and structures that 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.200 are made for your benefit at the expense of so 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.880 many others. Instead, they want their kids to be as 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.000 ignorant to reality as they have been, and they think 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.200 that by doing so that means being race neutral. Well, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.840 what has every single icon of the Civil Rights era 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.359 and beyond ever said is that you cannot be neutral 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:35.040 in the face of injustice, right, And what I have 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:42.080 said is this simply that if you are from a 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.600 marginalized community, if you are black in America, and let 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.880 me just speak from the black perspective, you'll learn from 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.520 a very young age about racism. You learn when people 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.960 will stop looking at you on the street and thinking 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.120 that you're cute and instead see you as a threat, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.160 particularly if you were a boy. Right. That happens a 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.320 lot younger. We knew it around the time that Tamir 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.760 Rice was murdered by police officers because he was playing 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.200 on a playground with a toy gun, as kids do, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.560 and he was killed. And I remember all the commentary 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.320 around that, Well, why was he on the playground, Why 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.320 was he playing with the toy gun? Meanwhile, these are 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.520 the same motherfuckers that give their children aar fifteens to 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.400 play with, right, that think that that is their right. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:34.839 You didn't hear any buddy coming out and defending the 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.839 murder of Tamir Rice, right, No, you didn't hear cops 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:43.080 coming out. You didn't hear the NRA. You heard nothing, crickets. So, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.040 if black people have to teach their children from basically 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 the time that they start toddling around and talking about 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.880 race and racism and loving their skin and loving their hair, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.440 also they can build up a shield, in an armor 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.200 in a world that doesn't want to see them, and 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.640 if they do see them, sees them and despises them, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.800 then you need to build up that inner strength and 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.400 that comes from the moments that that child begins to 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.640 take their first steps. That's our reality, that is not hyperbole. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.479 You can engage with any black person and ask them 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.719 how young were you when you learned about racism? How 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.400 long were how young were your children when you started 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.760 to talk to them about racism and discrimination? You can 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.839 ask them those questions and they every single one of 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.760 us has an answer. The dates may vary, but you 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:41.680 will be shocked at how early right it happens. Because 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.000 while white people have the privilege to be able to 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.880 want to protect and to lie to their children, we 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.040 don't because it will cost our kids their lives if 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.840 they don't know how to react, if they're pulled over, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.520 if they're stopped while they're walking on the street, engage 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.160 with a racist teacher or principle, right, that could be 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.680 it for them. And we know that because we know 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.560 that in America, black and brown people don't get a 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.640 second chance, We barely get a fucking first. One. My 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.120 anger around critical race theory and the boogeyman that they 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.039 have created is that if in fact, we all did 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.560 think critically about race and racism and how it plays 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.880 into every single facet of our lives, then maybe we 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.080 would all be exhausted, and not just those that experience 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.320 racism on a regular basis and what it is like 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.119 to live in a country and live in a world 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:43.400 that hates you, right, But instead we would find ways 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.840 in common ground and the ability to change it. But 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:50.480 you see, the powers that be, those that benefit from vitriol, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:56.080 those that profit from rage and anger and hate, they 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.039 don't want there to be common ground. They don't want 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.400 there to be a discussion and an interrogation into how 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.680 this country was formed and whose back it was on. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.080 You know, one of the things that I'll say in 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:12.560 another interview later this week or early next week, is, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:19.960 you know, with regard to how we have been lied 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.440 to all of us and that it has cost us 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:31.520 so much. Right, we're going through K through twelve learning 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.440 so very little about the truth. One of the things 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.560 that I hate the most is when people say, in 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.320 response to something atrocious or cruel that is happening in America, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.160 this is not who we are. Well, if you actually 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:50.400 knew about America's founding and about the things that have 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:54.040 been done and justified in your name, you would never 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.680 utter that sentence. This is not who we are. It's 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.920 always who we are. It's always who we've been. We've 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.400 been stealing people's children from them. We've been sterilizing women, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.520 We've been beaten black people in the street and hanging 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.680 them from trees. We've been burning down their churches and 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.920 torching their homes. Right like, we've been doing that. But 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:23.680 you see, those truths have been kept from white people, right, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.040 and now they want to keep it from their children 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.840 and their children's children. They want to continue the perpetuation 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.040 of being a bunch of ostriches with their heads in 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.760 the sand. And then turn around and say, why are 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.360 those black people so angry? Why can't they just follow 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.280 the rules, Why can't they just do X, Y and Z, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.520 Because you have no idea what the fuck you are 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.360 asking us to do. To be frank, you've never met 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:56.680 a people with more grace than black people. White people 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.280 literally went stormed the Capitol building and ship in the 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.959 halls of our democracy based on a fucking lie. Black 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.600 people in this country have hung from trees bridges, have 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:14.520 had crosses burned on their lawns, their homes, bombed, their churches, firebombed, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.600 their businesses, destroyed mass graves filled with black bodies right 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:26.320 and our government sanctioning it all along the way. And somehow, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.559 somehow we manage still to get up to go to work, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.600 to smile, to dance, to provide food on the table 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.079 for our families, to continue to pray and have hope 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:43.080 and have smiles on our faces. And I wonder if 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:48.600 white Americans had to deal experience a tenth of what 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:55.760 we have experienced throughout generations, how they would feel, how 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.560 soon it would take them to want to burn this 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.800 fucking country to the ground, which, by the way, they 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.800 did because Donald Trump wanted them to for him, Right, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.199 they wanted to hang the vice president of the United 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.439 States because they didn't get the president that they wanted elected. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.400 Imagine not having the president that you wanted elected, every 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:26.000 single president except one Obama. I say all that to 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:31.319 say that the media plays a large part in creating 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.680 these divides, in adding more fuel to the fire because 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:40.480 it's good for ratings, in creating food fights, or uplifting 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.640 one person's narrative of what it means to be an American, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.240 which Amen will talk about. You know, let's be honest. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.800 When we're talking about regular moms or American moms, you're 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:57.240 talking about white women because they are all types of moms. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.200 There are all types of people that care about what 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.920 their kids are right, and not just care to sit 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.360 around and burn books because you're afraid of the fucking truth, 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.160 but care that their children are learning to love themselves, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.120 to love the person next to them, to be stewards 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:18.719 of our environment. You know, we talk about education, anxiety, right, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.120 or what the media is doing by talking about education anxiety, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.720 and I'm like, where was this kind of outrage over 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.640 vaccines and over teaching people the truth when your kids 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.600 are being gunned down in their fucking classrooms. I didn't 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.439 see people flipping over tables and screaming at school board 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:41.280 members around mass shootings that happen in schools on a 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:46.840 regular basis, or not having clean air in the classrooms, 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.920 or textbooks that tell the truth. No, none of that. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:56.000 They don't have education anxiety. They're just racist, plain and simple. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:02.720 But the media looks for euphemisms for excuses and looks 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.840 for ways to find empathy for everyone, every white person, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.120 at the expense of every other community. So Amen and 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.439 I will unpack that in our conversation coming up next. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.120 Do tell me in the comments section what you think 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.040 that the media's responsibility is in whether or not you 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.600 think that they are tool of white supremacy, and if 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.840 you don't, I want to understand your perspective as well. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.480 Coming up next is my conversation with MSNBC host of 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:41.679 the show Amen on Saturdays and Sundays on MSNBC. Folks, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.640 I am really excited to welcome back to Woke f 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.280 my friend and the host of Amen on MSNBC Aimen 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:55.480 Mohadeen so excited to have you back, wondering you know, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:01.040 the media, Aimen, is a tricky, tricky place. I think 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.679 that mainstream media is responsible for more than it takes 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.760 accountability for. I want to talk to you about one six. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.280 We want to start there, and you know the fact 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.280 that we are, you know, waiting for subpoenas to actually 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.520 be enforced. It's been almost three weeks since Steve Bennon 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:26.360 was held in content contempt. Nothing has happened from our 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.800 Justice department. But you know, what are your thoughts as 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.520 somebody that is a part of media that is covering 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.880 these stories, how do you think? How how would you 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:41.160 critique your your colleagues, yourself in terms of how we 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.120 are relating the fact that I believe that we're still 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.560 in a slow moving coup. I don't think that what 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.000 transpired on one six was one and done. I think that, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.319 as Bill Maher said many many weeks ago, this is 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.640 a slow moving coup. It's still unfolding. We have members 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:03.760 of Congress just today the post threatening images against Alexandrioccio Cortez, 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.880 like death porn, like he's excited about the potential of 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:13.160 getting to kill her, Right, How were you feeling about 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.400 how this is being covered in the urgency of the 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.920 moment that we're in with our democracy. Yeah, so I 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.480 think that the way I would approach it is, there's 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.200 definitely a few different layers to this story. Right There 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.280 is what I would call like the general consensus around 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.120 January the six and then there's like the specifics of 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.320 following the developments around the investigation of January the six 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.920 And I would say the general consensus right now in 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.320 this country around January the sixth has been I think 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.840 pretty inadequate given the severity of the moment, which means 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.320 you look at it, and I remember on January the 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.520 six tweeting out that what we were seeing play out 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.560 in the United States wasn't attempted coup. It was the 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.440 executive branch of government inciting an insurrection against the legislative 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.640 branch of government to serve or maintain power to disrupt 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.720 the legislative branch of government's ability to carry out its 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.400 duties of governance. And so as a result, any measure 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:09.880 you want to look it may not have been the 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.040 traditional sense of like, oh, we're carrying out a coup 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.560 by using the military to oppress the opposition or to 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.040 do whatever. But when you look at how in the 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:22.800 past people have described the word, you know, overtaking of 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.120 a government. You know, the president in some countries would 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.880 suspend parliament or dissolve parliament, or stop the legislator from 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.800 doing what it can and then use his base of 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.120 power to expand his power. I think you can make 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:37.760 an argument that's what we saw in January of the 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.160 sixth there was an attempt to stop the legislative branch 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.000 of government from governance, and as a result, the president, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.240 the executive would stay in power. So at the time, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.400 that's how I saw it, and I still believe that 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.360 it was an attempted coup. Now when you look at 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.600 what has happened since then, the attempt by members of 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.720 the right wing media and some Republicans to whitewash that, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.160 to call the people that were there either tourists, to 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.240 say that the people there were simply protesters who were aggrieved, 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.040 to not acknowledge that it posed the threat and a 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.400 risk to the members of Congress and more importantly, to 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:18.120 our democracy, is just completely mind blowing. So the question 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.880 that I go default back to is what is the 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.880 general consensus or what is the attitude of the country 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.880 towards January the sixth, And then when we talk about 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.479 the specifics, as you were mentioning Steve Banning the investigation 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.440 in January the sixth Commission, those things take time, and 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.560 there has to be a constant spotlight on it, which 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.760 I think parts of the media do particularly well. I 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.360 think print news and certainly some aspects of broadcast news 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.800 have the ability to stay on top of that story 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.840 and keep that story on the forefront of Americans minds. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.160 But that is driven by the investigation, and you can't 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.000 precede the investigation. But as the investigation unfolds, we have 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:01.040 the responsibility to constantly come back to it and say, hey, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.240 this was an attempted coup. Here's what we're finding out 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.280 about it, here's what we're learning about it. Here's who 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.879 are the people who are defying government, defying Congress and 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.439 not wanting to participate in the investigation. And that for 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:16.280 me is absolutely mind boggling. So I wouldn't necessarily I 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.720 wouldn't just you know, lumps of all the media together 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.520 and say everyone's doing a bad job. But I would 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.480 say some parts of the media, certainly right wing media, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.520 is trying to whitewash and cover up January six. Others 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.080 are become a little bit more, you know, complacent about it, 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.320 and there are some who are still determined to make 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.160 sure that that day is not lost in American history 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.480 and forgotten for what it is, no matter how many 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.080 times people try to rewrite it. You know, what I 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.600 found really troubling is that a couple of weeks ago, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.440 Condoleeza Rice, who many would have thought is a fairly 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.040 reasonable Republican. Remember those you know there there are very 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.280 few of them, Like you know, they're they're pretty much dinosaurs. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:02.400 Very reasonable Republican was on the view and her comments 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.480 blew me away. We need to just move on, We 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.959 need to turn the page. And I'm like, is this 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.800 the hymnal that was given out to all Republicans, regardless 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.439 of whether or not they were in government in the 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.320 eighties and the nineties, versus the new Trumpers, the new 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.200 insurrectionists that are in How is it that they're all 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.560 even the ones that we thought were normal, are saying 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.480 turn the page, and keep in mind, this is a 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.600 woman who advocated for the United States to invade other 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.439 countries to promote democracy, and yet the very essence of 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.680 our democracy was attacked on January the sixth, and she's 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.400 now saying it's time to move on. It hasn't even 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.440 been a year. This is the same woman who wanted, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.840 literally and advocated for the overthrowing of a sovereign government 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.480 under the false pretense that it had weapons of mass 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.760 destruction with the intent of promoting democracy, but will not 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.159 stand up and defend democracy here in our own country 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.200 to the degree that we have all of the answers. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.120 I'm not saying to you make up your mind one 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:08.920 way or the other. I get it you want to 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.720 be a Republican, But you can be a Republican and 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.840 say I want to know what happened to the last second, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.879 to every single second of the decision making process that 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.120 led up to January six. I want to know who 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.240 the president was speaking to. I want to know who 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.359 in his office and members of his team were coordinating, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.840 if at all, with those who participated in January six. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.160 How do people on January six show up with riot gear, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.360 bulletproof vests, kevlar helmets. How do these people just decide 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.800 to do that That's not I've gone to protests before, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.119 I've covered protest. I dont'ta see people just rocking up 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.879 to protests with that kind of gear without having someone 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.320 telling them here's what we're anticipating doing, so come prepared 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.080 for that. So all I'm saying is why are Republicans 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.720 like Kondeliza Rice and others so afraid to get to 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.000 the bottom of what happened that day? Once the investigation 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.639 is over, If you say, you know what, it's not 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.440 that big of a deal. I realized maybe it was 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.840 just a bunch of people that were angry that day. Fine, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.919 But how do you make that kind of determination way 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.120 before you get to the bottom of it. And again, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.600 I mean there's Tucker Carlson has in his like, you know, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.679 false flag operation reference there. That was something that was like, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.679 can you just imagine I made this point on the air. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.280 I was like, can you imagine if a Muslim anchor 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.960 had gone on an American cable network channel and said 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.240 a nine to eleven and imply that nine to eleven 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.919 might have been a false flag operation or said something 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:38.199 that remotely diminished the investigation into nine to eleven and 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.080 getting to the bottom of it. Can you imagine after 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.880 a couple of ten months, after nine to eleven, saying 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.840 you know what I think, guys, let's move on from this. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:46.640 We figured out that it was a bunch of bad 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.159 guys from Saudi Arabia. Let's not figure out who financed them, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.600 who funded them, who trained them, how did they get 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.399 into this country? You know what I mean. It's just 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.679 it's just like I said, it's absolutely mind boggling, you know, 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.119 it really is. And when I think about it, and 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.960 I'm so glad that you brought up Tucker Carlston that 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.320 I'm glad that Tucker Carlton exists, but I'm glad that 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.919 you brought him up because I think about you often, 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.240 and I think about the many anchors of color that 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.600 I that I know and hosts of color that I know, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:20.200 and particularly you, because you know everything. I look through 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.560 the lens and I say, well, if they were black, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.240 if they were Muslim, like this wouldn't even be a conversation. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.760 And I have a lot of anger and rage right 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.520 like at injustices that I see in this country on 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:41.000 a regular basis. Tucker Carlson is the embodiment of mediocrity 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.240 in so many different ways. But he is the poster 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.639 child for white male rage. Like, how do you feel 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.560 as as a as a as an anchor, as a 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.760 as a host of color, knowing that you see injustices 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.480 against Muslim people, against people of color all the time, 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.880 but you have to I mean, how do you hold in? 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:09.280 How do you contain your level of frustration? And how 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.160 do you feel at the fact that you have to 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.800 contain it, because if you were to act in the 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.280 same way that Tucker Carlson did, you would be out 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.120 of a job. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think what 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:24.000 you're hitting on is what every black and brown person 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.119 in this country deals with day in and day out 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.280 when they're going about their daily lives. There are so 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.360 many examples, and we've seen the videos of you know, 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.080 white people being pulled over by the police. They get 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:37.800 to yell back at them, they get to talk back 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:39.240 at them. The police go out of their way to 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.960 accommodate them, to calm things down, to try to de 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.280 escalate the situation, to assure them that they're okay. But 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.439 when we see the reverse happened with whether it's somebody 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.760 who is black or brown, we know how tragically those 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:57.800 encounters end. So I think it's part of the sad 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.960 to say it. It's part of the equation that's baked 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:04.320 into the system that over the years, somebody like Tucker Carlson, 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.239 who has this white privilege, who can go on there 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:11.200 and say something as just bombastic and ludicrous as saying 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.600 that January the six, even if he doesn't say just 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:18.239 giving that idea a platform and letting others express it 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:21.320 and imply it in a way that kind of is 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.720 you know, hey, I'm not endorsing it, but it's it's 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.359 an idea that's out there, so I'm just gonna go 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:30.920 with it. It's it's the epitome of privilege. And you're right, 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.600 you know, we hold ourselves not only just as individuals, 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.639 but also as an organization. We hold ourselves to a 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.720 higher standard. But also we have to always be mindful 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:44.200 that what we're saying is double checked and triple checked, 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.400 and we're making sure that what we want to say 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.600 does not cross that line of offending somebody or is 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.560 not hyperbolic. And it's it's the reality of where we 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.359 are as a country that we're not on equal you know, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.320 we're not on an equal playing field yet, and it's 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.600 something that we all strive. I guess we strive to 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:04.800 achieve one day. I mean, I certainly do. I certainly 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.680 hope that we're at a place where there is uniformity 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.040 and how we discuss these issues. And it's not just 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.800 about Tucker Carlson. It's about the argument of free speech 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.760 right and what is offensive to others. And we see 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.560 that not play out with the topic of critical race 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.760 theory and education in a place like Virginia. Who gets 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.679 to define what is the appropriate education in America to 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.760 be taught? And I think a lot of people have 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:31.760