1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody doing a pre record as 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: it is my birthday week and I have taken the 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: rest of the week off, but dear ones, I always 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: think of you before I head out on a mini 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: relaxing vacation. So I have banked a bunch of really 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: good interviews and today I'm really excited to bring back 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: on to woke F my friend and MSNBC host Aimen 9 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: Mohadeen m I have known Amen for a couple of 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: years now, and I have to tell you that he 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: is one of the host and reporters and journalists that 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: I really appreciate and whose voice I value because, as 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: I complain a lot les, let's let's be clear and 14 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: rightfully so that our media, the mainstream media, is full 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: of shit and they are the biggest instruments for white supremacy. 16 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: What do I mean by that? You know, depending on 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: where you are in your career and what time of 18 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: day you come on, and I want to give you 19 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of like insight into TV and how 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: TV works, regardless of whether or not you're in entertainment 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: or you're in politics. It kind of works the same way, 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: which is that ratings run everything. And if there are 23 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: big stories to cover and that's what everybody's paying attention to, 24 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: then the powers that be say, this is what you're 25 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: paying attention to. But I often ask the question, particularly, 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: let's use critical race theory as an example, which Aimon 27 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: and I will talk about. Critical race theory is a 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: bullshit topic that the right has decided is their motive 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: entree these days. It's the thing, it's the boogeyman, it's 30 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: the thing that they're going to get all riled up about. 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: And the reality is what we all know to be 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: true because we believe in facts, is that critical race 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: theory is something that is taught in law school. It 34 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: is something that is taught at the graduate level. It 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: is not taught in K through twelve education. There is 36 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: no curriculum for critical race theory. But what white folks 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: have decided is that they don't want their children learning 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: from black and brown authors. They don't want a critical 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: analysis about this country, right, about our history, our founding, 40 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: how certain policies are approved and work for the benefit 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: of a small group of people. They don't want to. 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: And as I talked about yesterday. They don't want to 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: interrogate their emotions right around what it means to be white, 44 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: to have white privilege, to have societies and structures that 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: are made for your benefit at the expense of so 46 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: many others. Instead, they want their kids to be as 47 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: ignorant to reality as they have been, and they think 48 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: that by doing so that means being race neutral. Well, 49 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: what has every single icon of the Civil Rights era 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: and beyond ever said is that you cannot be neutral 51 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: in the face of injustice, right, And what I have 52 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: said is this simply that if you are from a 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: marginalized community, if you are black in America, and let 54 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: me just speak from the black perspective, you'll learn from 55 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: a very young age about racism. You learn when people 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: will stop looking at you on the street and thinking 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: that you're cute and instead see you as a threat, 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: particularly if you were a boy. Right. That happens a 59 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: lot younger. We knew it around the time that Tamir 60 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Rice was murdered by police officers because he was playing 61 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: on a playground with a toy gun, as kids do, 62 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: and he was killed. And I remember all the commentary 63 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: around that, Well, why was he on the playground, Why 64 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: was he playing with the toy gun? Meanwhile, these are 65 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: the same motherfuckers that give their children aar fifteens to 66 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: play with, right, that think that that is their right. 67 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: You didn't hear any buddy coming out and defending the 68 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: murder of Tamir Rice, right, No, you didn't hear cops 69 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: coming out. You didn't hear the NRA. You heard nothing, crickets. So, 70 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: if black people have to teach their children from basically 71 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: the time that they start toddling around and talking about 72 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: race and racism and loving their skin and loving their hair, 73 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: also they can build up a shield, in an armor 74 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: in a world that doesn't want to see them, and 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: if they do see them, sees them and despises them, 76 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: then you need to build up that inner strength and 77 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: that comes from the moments that that child begins to 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: take their first steps. That's our reality, that is not hyperbole. 79 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: You can engage with any black person and ask them 80 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: how young were you when you learned about racism? How 81 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: long were how young were your children when you started 82 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: to talk to them about racism and discrimination? You can 83 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: ask them those questions and they every single one of 84 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: us has an answer. The dates may vary, but you 85 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: will be shocked at how early right it happens. Because 86 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: while white people have the privilege to be able to 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: want to protect and to lie to their children, we 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: don't because it will cost our kids their lives if 89 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: they don't know how to react, if they're pulled over, 90 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: if they're stopped while they're walking on the street, engage 91 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: with a racist teacher or principle, right, that could be 92 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: it for them. And we know that because we know 93 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: that in America, black and brown people don't get a 94 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: second chance, We barely get a fucking first. One. My 95 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: anger around critical race theory and the boogeyman that they 96 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: have created is that if in fact, we all did 97 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: think critically about race and racism and how it plays 98 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: into every single facet of our lives, then maybe we 99 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: would all be exhausted, and not just those that experience 100 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: racism on a regular basis and what it is like 101 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: to live in a country and live in a world 102 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: that hates you, right, But instead we would find ways 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: in common ground and the ability to change it. But 104 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: you see, the powers that be, those that benefit from vitriol, 105 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: those that profit from rage and anger and hate, they 106 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: don't want there to be common ground. They don't want 107 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: there to be a discussion and an interrogation into how 108 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: this country was formed and whose back it was on. 109 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I'll say in 110 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: another interview later this week or early next week, is, 111 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, with regard to how we have been lied 112 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: to all of us and that it has cost us 113 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: so much. Right, we're going through K through twelve learning 114 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: so very little about the truth. One of the things 115 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: that I hate the most is when people say, in 116 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: response to something atrocious or cruel that is happening in America, 117 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: this is not who we are. Well, if you actually 118 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: knew about America's founding and about the things that have 119 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: been done and justified in your name, you would never 120 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: utter that sentence. This is not who we are. It's 121 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: always who we are. It's always who we've been. We've 122 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: been stealing people's children from them. We've been sterilizing women, 123 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: We've been beaten black people in the street and hanging 124 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: them from trees. We've been burning down their churches and 125 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: torching their homes. Right like, we've been doing that. But 126 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: you see, those truths have been kept from white people, right, 127 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and now they want to keep it from their children 128 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: and their children's children. They want to continue the perpetuation 129 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: of being a bunch of ostriches with their heads in 130 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: the sand. And then turn around and say, why are 131 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: those black people so angry? Why can't they just follow 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the rules, Why can't they just do X, Y and Z, 133 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Because you have no idea what the fuck you are 134 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: asking us to do. To be frank, you've never met 135 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: a people with more grace than black people. White people 136 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: literally went stormed the Capitol building and ship in the 137 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: halls of our democracy based on a fucking lie. Black 138 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: people in this country have hung from trees bridges, have 139 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: had crosses burned on their lawns, their homes, bombed, their churches, firebombed, 140 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: their businesses, destroyed mass graves filled with black bodies right 141 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: and our government sanctioning it all along the way. And somehow, 142 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: somehow we manage still to get up to go to work, 143 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: to smile, to dance, to provide food on the table 144 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: for our families, to continue to pray and have hope 145 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: and have smiles on our faces. And I wonder if 146 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: white Americans had to deal experience a tenth of what 147 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: we have experienced throughout generations, how they would feel, how 148 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: soon it would take them to want to burn this 149 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: fucking country to the ground, which, by the way, they 150 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: did because Donald Trump wanted them to for him, Right, 151 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: they wanted to hang the vice president of the United 152 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: States because they didn't get the president that they wanted elected. 153 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Imagine not having the president that you wanted elected, every 154 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: single president except one Obama. I say all that to 155 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: say that the media plays a large part in creating 156 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: these divides, in adding more fuel to the fire because 157 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: it's good for ratings, in creating food fights, or uplifting 158 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: one person's narrative of what it means to be an American, 159 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: which Amen will talk about. You know, let's be honest. 160 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: When we're talking about regular moms or American moms, you're 161 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: talking about white women because they are all types of moms. 162 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: There are all types of people that care about what 163 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: their kids are right, and not just care to sit 164 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: around and burn books because you're afraid of the fucking truth, 165 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: but care that their children are learning to love themselves, 166 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: to love the person next to them, to be stewards 167 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: of our environment. You know, we talk about education, anxiety, right, 168 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: or what the media is doing by talking about education anxiety, 169 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, where was this kind of outrage over 170 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: vaccines and over teaching people the truth when your kids 171 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: are being gunned down in their fucking classrooms. I didn't 172 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: see people flipping over tables and screaming at school board 173 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: members around mass shootings that happen in schools on a 174 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: regular basis, or not having clean air in the classrooms, 175 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: or textbooks that tell the truth. No, none of that. 176 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: They don't have education anxiety. They're just racist, plain and simple. 177 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: But the media looks for euphemisms for excuses and looks 178 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: for ways to find empathy for everyone, every white person, 179 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: at the expense of every other community. So Amen and 180 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: I will unpack that in our conversation coming up next. 181 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Do tell me in the comments section what you think 182 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: that the media's responsibility is in whether or not you 183 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: think that they are tool of white supremacy, and if 184 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: you don't, I want to understand your perspective as well. 185 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Coming up next is my conversation with MSNBC host of 186 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: the show Amen on Saturdays and Sundays on MSNBC. Folks, 187 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: I am really excited to welcome back to Woke f 188 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: my friend and the host of Amen on MSNBC Aimen 189 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: Mohadeen so excited to have you back, wondering you know, 190 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: the media, Aimen, is a tricky, tricky place. I think 191 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: that mainstream media is responsible for more than it takes 192 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: accountability for. I want to talk to you about one six. 193 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: We want to start there, and you know the fact 194 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: that we are, you know, waiting for subpoenas to actually 195 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: be enforced. It's been almost three weeks since Steve Bennon 196 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: was held in content contempt. Nothing has happened from our 197 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: Justice department. But you know, what are your thoughts as 198 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: somebody that is a part of media that is covering 199 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: these stories, how do you think? How how would you 200 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: critique your your colleagues, yourself in terms of how we 201 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: are relating the fact that I believe that we're still 202 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: in a slow moving coup. I don't think that what 203 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: transpired on one six was one and done. I think that, 204 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: as Bill Maher said many many weeks ago, this is 205 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: a slow moving coup. It's still unfolding. We have members 206 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: of Congress just today the post threatening images against Alexandrioccio Cortez, 207 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: like death porn, like he's excited about the potential of 208 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: getting to kill her, Right, How were you feeling about 209 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: how this is being covered in the urgency of the 210 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: moment that we're in with our democracy. Yeah, so I 211 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: think that the way I would approach it is, there's 212 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: definitely a few different layers to this story. Right There 213 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: is what I would call like the general consensus around 214 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: January the six and then there's like the specifics of 215 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: following the developments around the investigation of January the six 216 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: And I would say the general consensus right now in 217 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: this country around January the sixth has been I think 218 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: pretty inadequate given the severity of the moment, which means 219 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: you look at it, and I remember on January the 220 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: six tweeting out that what we were seeing play out 221 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: in the United States wasn't attempted coup. It was the 222 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: executive branch of government inciting an insurrection against the legislative 223 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: branch of government to serve or maintain power to disrupt 224 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the legislative branch of government's ability to carry out its 225 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: duties of governance. And so as a result, any measure 226 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: you want to look it may not have been the 227 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: traditional sense of like, oh, we're carrying out a coup 228 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: by using the military to oppress the opposition or to 229 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: do whatever. But when you look at how in the 230 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: past people have described the word, you know, overtaking of 231 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: a government. You know, the president in some countries would 232 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: suspend parliament or dissolve parliament, or stop the legislator from 233 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: doing what it can and then use his base of 234 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: power to expand his power. I think you can make 235 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: an argument that's what we saw in January of the 236 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: sixth there was an attempt to stop the legislative branch 237 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: of government from governance, and as a result, the president, 238 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the executive would stay in power. So at the time, 239 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: that's how I saw it, and I still believe that 240 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: it was an attempted coup. Now when you look at 241 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: what has happened since then, the attempt by members of 242 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: the right wing media and some Republicans to whitewash that, 243 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: to call the people that were there either tourists, to 244 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: say that the people there were simply protesters who were aggrieved, 245 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: to not acknowledge that it posed the threat and a 246 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: risk to the members of Congress and more importantly, to 247 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: our democracy, is just completely mind blowing. So the question 248 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: that I go default back to is what is the 249 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: general consensus or what is the attitude of the country 250 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: towards January the sixth, And then when we talk about 251 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,479 Speaker 1: the specifics, as you were mentioning Steve Banning the investigation 252 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: in January the sixth Commission, those things take time, and 253 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: there has to be a constant spotlight on it, which 254 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I think parts of the media do particularly well. I 255 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: think print news and certainly some aspects of broadcast news 256 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: have the ability to stay on top of that story 257 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: and keep that story on the forefront of Americans minds. 258 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: But that is driven by the investigation, and you can't 259 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: precede the investigation. But as the investigation unfolds, we have 260 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the responsibility to constantly come back to it and say, hey, 261 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: this was an attempted coup. Here's what we're finding out 262 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: about it, here's what we're learning about it. Here's who 263 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: are the people who are defying government, defying Congress and 264 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: not wanting to participate in the investigation. And that for 265 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: me is absolutely mind boggling. So I wouldn't necessarily I 266 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't just you know, lumps of all the media together 267 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: and say everyone's doing a bad job. But I would 268 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: say some parts of the media, certainly right wing media, 269 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: is trying to whitewash and cover up January six. Others 270 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: are become a little bit more, you know, complacent about it, 271 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: and there are some who are still determined to make 272 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: sure that that day is not lost in American history 273 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: and forgotten for what it is, no matter how many 274 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: times people try to rewrite it. You know, what I 275 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: found really troubling is that a couple of weeks ago, 276 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: Condoleeza Rice, who many would have thought is a fairly 277 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: reasonable Republican. Remember those you know there there are very 278 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: few of them, Like you know, they're they're pretty much dinosaurs. 279 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: Very reasonable Republican was on the view and her comments 280 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: blew me away. We need to just move on, We 281 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: need to turn the page. And I'm like, is this 282 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the hymnal that was given out to all Republicans, regardless 283 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: of whether or not they were in government in the 284 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties, versus the new Trumpers, the new 285 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: insurrectionists that are in How is it that they're all 286 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: even the ones that we thought were normal, are saying 287 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: turn the page, and keep in mind, this is a 288 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: woman who advocated for the United States to invade other 289 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: countries to promote democracy, and yet the very essence of 290 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: our democracy was attacked on January the sixth, and she's 291 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: now saying it's time to move on. It hasn't even 292 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: been a year. This is the same woman who wanted, 293 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: literally and advocated for the overthrowing of a sovereign government 294 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: under the false pretense that it had weapons of mass 295 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: destruction with the intent of promoting democracy, but will not 296 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: stand up and defend democracy here in our own country 297 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: to the degree that we have all of the answers. 298 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying to you make up your mind one 299 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: way or the other. I get it you want to 300 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: be a Republican, But you can be a Republican and 301 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: say I want to know what happened to the last second, 302 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: to every single second of the decision making process that 303 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: led up to January six. I want to know who 304 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: the president was speaking to. I want to know who 305 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: in his office and members of his team were coordinating, 306 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: if at all, with those who participated in January six. 307 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: How do people on January six show up with riot gear, 308 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: bulletproof vests, kevlar helmets. How do these people just decide 309 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: to do that That's not I've gone to protests before, 310 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: I've covered protest. I dont'ta see people just rocking up 311 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: to protests with that kind of gear without having someone 312 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: telling them here's what we're anticipating doing, so come prepared 313 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: for that. So all I'm saying is why are Republicans 314 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: like Kondeliza Rice and others so afraid to get to 315 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of what happened that day? Once the investigation 316 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: is over, If you say, you know what, it's not 317 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. I realized maybe it was 318 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: just a bunch of people that were angry that day. Fine, 319 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: But how do you make that kind of determination way 320 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: before you get to the bottom of it. And again, 321 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's Tucker Carlson has in his like, you know, 322 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: false flag operation reference there. That was something that was like, 323 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: can you just imagine I made this point on the air. 324 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: I was like, can you imagine if a Muslim anchor 325 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: had gone on an American cable network channel and said 326 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: a nine to eleven and imply that nine to eleven 327 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: might have been a false flag operation or said something 328 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: that remotely diminished the investigation into nine to eleven and 329 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of it. Can you imagine after 330 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: a couple of ten months, after nine to eleven, saying 331 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: you know what I think, guys, let's move on from this. 332 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: We figured out that it was a bunch of bad 333 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: guys from Saudi Arabia. Let's not figure out who financed them, 334 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: who funded them, who trained them, how did they get 335 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: into this country? You know what I mean. It's just 336 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: it's just like I said, it's absolutely mind boggling, you know, 337 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: it really is. And when I think about it, and 338 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up Tucker Carlston that 339 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad that Tucker Carlton exists, but I'm glad that 340 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: you brought him up because I think about you often, 341 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: and I think about the many anchors of color that 342 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I that I know and hosts of color that I know, 343 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: and particularly you, because you know everything. I look through 344 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: the lens and I say, well, if they were black, 345 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: if they were Muslim, like this wouldn't even be a conversation. 346 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: And I have a lot of anger and rage right 347 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: like at injustices that I see in this country on 348 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: a regular basis. Tucker Carlson is the embodiment of mediocrity 349 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: in so many different ways. But he is the poster 350 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: child for white male rage. Like, how do you feel 351 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: as as a as a as an anchor, as a 352 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: as a host of color, knowing that you see injustices 353 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: against Muslim people, against people of color all the time, 354 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: but you have to I mean, how do you hold in? 355 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: How do you contain your level of frustration? And how 356 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: do you feel at the fact that you have to 357 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: contain it, because if you were to act in the 358 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: same way that Tucker Carlson did, you would be out 359 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: of a job. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think what 360 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: you're hitting on is what every black and brown person 361 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: in this country deals with day in and day out 362 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: when they're going about their daily lives. There are so 363 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: many examples, and we've seen the videos of you know, 364 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: white people being pulled over by the police. They get 365 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: to yell back at them, they get to talk back 366 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: at them. The police go out of their way to 367 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: accommodate them, to calm things down, to try to de 368 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: escalate the situation, to assure them that they're okay. But 369 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: when we see the reverse happened with whether it's somebody 370 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: who is black or brown, we know how tragically those 371 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: encounters end. So I think it's part of the sad 372 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: to say it. It's part of the equation that's baked 373 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: into the system that over the years, somebody like Tucker Carlson, 374 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: who has this white privilege, who can go on there 375 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: and say something as just bombastic and ludicrous as saying 376 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: that January the six, even if he doesn't say just 377 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 1: giving that idea a platform and letting others express it 378 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: and imply it in a way that kind of is 379 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm not endorsing it, but it's it's 380 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: an idea that's out there, so I'm just gonna go 381 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: with it. It's it's the epitome of privilege. And you're right, 382 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, we hold ourselves not only just as individuals, 383 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: but also as an organization. We hold ourselves to a 384 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: higher standard. But also we have to always be mindful 385 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: that what we're saying is double checked and triple checked, 386 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: and we're making sure that what we want to say 387 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: does not cross that line of offending somebody or is 388 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: not hyperbolic. And it's it's the reality of where we 389 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: are as a country that we're not on equal you know, 390 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: we're not on an equal playing field yet, and it's 391 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: something that we all strive. I guess we strive to 392 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: achieve one day. I mean, I certainly do. I certainly 393 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: hope that we're at a place where there is uniformity 394 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: and how we discuss these issues. And it's not just 395 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: about Tucker Carlson. It's about the argument of free speech 396 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: right and what is offensive to others. And we see 397 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: that not play out with the topic of critical race 398 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: theory and education in a place like Virginia. Who gets 399 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: to define what is the appropriate education in America to 400 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: be taught? And I think a lot of people have 401 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: been making this point out. We've been seeing a lot 402 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: of angry white parents at school boards in Virginia. I 403 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: don't see any black parents on these school boards being 404 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: interviewed by major cable and printing made outlets. I'm not 405 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: hearing their voices on the same level that I am 406 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: hearing of the angry white parents. So I think that 407 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: is also a valid criticism on the media, which is, 408 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: are you capturing the discourse proportionately to what it really is? 409 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Are you hearing from parents on both sides of the divide, 410 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: regardless of even talking about critical race there and how 411 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: you're covering it, But all the are the voices that 412 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: you're representing and taking out to the public, are they 413 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: also being treated equally? And I would dare to say no. 414 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, you know, for your own show. 415 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: You know, how do you decide what is going to 416 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: get covered and what is not right, like what you 417 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: have time for versus what you don't and what perspect 418 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: like what perspective you want to offer? Because I think too, 419 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons why I love having 420 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: journalists like yourself on the show is because I want 421 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: people to understand how stories become stories, right, like why 422 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: you hear about one thing repeatedly or not at all. 423 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: And I think that you do a very good job 424 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: because of you know, your global perspective, because you were 425 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: on the ground in so many different parts of the world, 426 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: particularly you know, in the Middle East, like that you 427 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: have a very perspective that we don't get right, don't 428 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: cover you know, cover you cover stories that I feel 429 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: like other people don't. So how do you go about 430 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: determining what is what is important or what you feel 431 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: that the audience needs to know? I mean, first of all, 432 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. I really appreciate you 433 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: noticing that and highlighting that. I mean, look, first of all, 434 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: journalism and even a broadcast show like mine, it's a 435 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: collaborative effort. It's a team sport. You require the team 436 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: that you're working with to bring ideas and stories of 437 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: things that are either not getting enough attention or that 438 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: are sometimes getting a lot of attention but not getting 439 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: a specific perspective. And so one of the things that 440 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: I have in you know, in having this new platform, 441 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: in this new show, which gives me more freedom to 442 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: express that perspective, is that I've been trying to take 443 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: a step back at sometimes and say how would this 444 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: look for somebody outside of the United States? And is 445 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: there a double standard in how we apply coverage on 446 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: these stories, whether it's happening here or abroad? And more importantly, 447 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: how do we apply the same standards to both parties, 448 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: both the Democratic and Republican Party. Look, I made the 449 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: point that last week, you know, some of the things 450 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: that members of the Republican Party set, whether it's Josh 451 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: Holly or Matt Gates saying that he wanted to blow 452 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: up metal detectors at the Capitol, or like again, implying 453 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: the use of violence in the most sacred institution of 454 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: our government. You had Lauren Baubert and others, and Ron DeSantis, 455 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: the era apparent to the Maga Kingdom, you know, using 456 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: the derogatory phrase let's go Brandon and touting it and 457 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: doing so publicly. Any one of these things on any 458 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: given day would have been enough of an outrage if 459 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: it were being done by a Democrat. This all happened 460 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: in a week among Republicans. Nobody even batted an island. 461 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: Nobody has gone to every Republican official and said, hey, 462 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: do you condemn this? Do you stand by this? You 463 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: had the president, former President of United States, Donald Trump 464 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: say one of the most anti submitted things I've ever heard, 465 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: which is say Israel controlled the American Congress for ten years. Now. 466 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Imagine if ilhand Omar's said that when she said something 467 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: that was controversial, everybody in the Democratic Party from all 468 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: the way up all the way down had to comment 469 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: and condemn and put out letters and put out statements. No, 470 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the President just made another anti Semitic remark. Nobody in 471 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party has asked about it. It goes to, 472 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, like nobody is asked to condemn it, and 473 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: yet they want to talk about the squad and they 474 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, members of Congress that 475 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: are trying to put the spotlight on human rights abuses 476 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: overseas and saying, oh, if you're not supporting a billion 477 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: dollar missile defense system, you are anti Semitic because you're 478 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: risking Israel security. So for me, it's like, you know, 479 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: I look at it from the perspective of, like, hey, 480 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: how does this play out around the world when people 481 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: hear these kinds of statements from the former president others, 482 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: what does that say about the way our democracy functions? 483 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: We are the first to be We're the first country 484 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: in the world they want to lecture other countries about 485 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: their democracy. What we want, what we think is a 486 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: legitimate democracy. What we don't think is a legitimate democracy, 487 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: what we think is legitimate behavior in democracy. And yet 488 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: when you look at some of the things that are 489 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: happening at our own country, you're like, wait, hold up, 490 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: look at this from the perspective of somebody outside of 491 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: the United States watching our democracy, listening to our politicians, 492 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: hearing the kind of comments, You're in no place to 493 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: be lecturing the world about democracy at this point, given 494 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: what has happened since January the sixth and every day 495 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: since then. Yeah, you know, and I've said that, and 496 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: I thank you so much for articulating that, because I 497 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: find it offensive. If I were a foreign country at 498 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: this point and America wants to come in and lecture me, 499 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying to them, go clean up your own house 500 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: before you have the audenty. And I say that with 501 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: regard to women's rights, we always want to go to 502 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: the Middle East and tell them about how they are 503 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: treating women and not educating women. And I'm saying, you 504 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: don't allow women to have autonomy over their bodies. You don't. 505 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: We won't support equal pay and pass legislation in Congress 506 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that women are paid equally across this country, 507 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: regardless of industry. We don't do that. So how do 508 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: you go into places like Iran and Side Arabia and 509 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: tell them what they should and should not be doing 510 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: with their with their female population, right, like totally And 511 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: to your point, I mean, I get it. Like there 512 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: It's not to say that American and Saudi Arabia are 513 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: on the same level with women's rights, but it's the 514 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: principle of relative to where you are in your own development, 515 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: you're saying, like, oh, Saudi Arabia doesn't let women drive. 516 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: That's true, that's Saudi Arabia's problem and they're trying to 517 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: deal with it. But at the same time, as you said, 518 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: women here are not getting paid equal to men. They 519 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: don't have family leave, women don't have complete subegnty over 520 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: their body. There's discrimination and healthcare the way that it's provided. 521 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not even going to get into things about 522 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: human rights abuse of black people in this country, things 523 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: like getanam obey mass surveillance of Muslims. So I get it. 524 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: You're you're you want to say that you're better than 525 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: other countries, but the truth is your own human rights record, 526 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: on top of which your own domestic policies are in 527 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: They don't give you the platform to stand up there 528 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: and say to the world, hey, we're going to lecture 529 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: you about democracy and human rights and women rights when 530 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: in our own country many of those uh basic rights 531 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: are under constant threat. Yeah, it's it's very it's very 532 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: very frustrating. And you know, even even now, we continue 533 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: to uphold Israel and Israel's you know, roll out of 534 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: the vaccine and look how it's working. Blah blah, And 535 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, is anybody talking about what is happening 536 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: to the Palestinians in terms of like their vaccination status? Right, 537 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: Is anybody talking about like what is happening in Gotham 538 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: what they continue to do? Like I'm so confused about 539 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: how you can hold up this place and say, oh, well, 540 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: we need to model after it. And I'm like, are 541 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: you looking at a kaleidoscope? Like I'm just I feel crazy. 542 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: And again, it's it's the ability to cherry pick the 543 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: parts of the narrative that you want. And this has 544 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: been a consistent problem with how as a country we 545 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: look at other countries and say this is what we 546 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: want to emulate and this is what we want to reject, 547 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: and not in that reality of what is happening on 548 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: the ground is what makes it so hard. I mean, 549 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: people point out human rights abuses in China, people point 550 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: out human rights abuses in other countries, and countries that 551 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: the United States has relationships with seals weapons to people 552 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: are not naive to understanding that foreign relations are complex, 553 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: But at the same time, don't try and whitewash and 554 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: hide away from the realities on the ground. Take them 555 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: head on. I mean, you talked about what's happening in 556 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: Israel pastine. There is definitely discrimination in the way the 557 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine has been rolled out in terms of the population. 558 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: And it's not because people are going to say, well, 559 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: look at the Arab population inside Israel, they're getting vaccinated. 560 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is Israel controls all of 561 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 1: the territory of the West Bank and Israel. There may 562 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: be different types of categories of how much it has 563 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: a physical presence and control over the lives of Palestinians 564 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: in the West Bank, but at the end of the day, 565 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: it's not like the Palestinian authority can just call up 566 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: Fiser and have vaccines delivered to the West Bank without 567 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Israel's approval and not have money that it's sending and 568 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: transferred going through banking mechanisms and international banking mechanisms that 569 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: are part of agreements. They don't have the sovereignty to 570 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: do that, so they just don't have the ability to 571 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: go out there and try to execute their own public 572 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: health policy, so to speak. That's in addition to all 573 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: the other things that have been coming out in recent 574 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: days about mass surveillance. According to the Washington Post the 575 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: masterveillance program. You know that the Israeli military was engaging 576 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: in terms of how they tracked Palestinians and taking their 577 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: pictures and putting them in a database. You know, look, 578 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: we talk about it in our country here and how 579 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: much we value our freedoms despite the fact that they 580 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: have come under a lot of stress in the last 581 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: twenty years because of the War on Terror. But we 582 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: complain all the time when we feel the government is 583 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: overreaching with the way it is surveiling its citizens. And 584 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: here is this article in the Washington Post revealing this 585 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: allegation that Israel has been mass surveiling Palestinians, and nobody's like, 586 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: you're not hearing any member of Congress saying this is outrageous. 587 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: We have to investigate this, we have to stop this. 588 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: We have to make sure our tax year dollars are 589 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: not going to the violation of human rights abuses. They're 590 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: not helping the technology of a country that's using it 591 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: in human rights abuses, as we're now seen with this 592 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: spyware that the US government is saying, hey, you know 593 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: what this NSL spyware. I think it's crossing the line 594 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: when the spyware is being used to target human rights 595 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: defenders in journalists. You know, we have crossed a major line, 596 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: and we have to ask ourselves to what extent we're 597 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: complicit in that by just simply turning a blind eye 598 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: and not speaking up against it, even if it is 599 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: a country that we perceive to be a very close 600 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: ally of ours. Yeah, and I would. I would say 601 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Coded Bias, the documentary on Netflix 602 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: which talks it, which is it's centering all black and 603 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: brown exceptional algorithm theorists and and folks who discovered all 604 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: of the flaws, the deep and flaws and racism and 605 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: discrimination in our algorithms. But talking about mass surveillance, it's 606 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: a it's a fantastic and scared the hell out of me. 607 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: I want to throw my smart TV out of the 608 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: window as well as my phone. I'm like, we're all 609 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: being tracked. Um, finally, am And I want to ask 610 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: you this because I follow you on Instagram, Um, how 611 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: do you continue to follow the news in such detail 612 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: to report on these things that are really soul depleting, um, 613 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: that are really soul crushing in a lot of ways? 614 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: And how do you how do you find an outlet. 615 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: What are your outlets right to be able to analyze 616 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: the news, deliver it to all of us, but then 617 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: not internalize the tragedy. That will, you know, for a 618 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: lot of people on the front lines, turns into depression, 619 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: turns into anxiety, turns into a lot of other things. 620 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 1: I say, I follow your Instagram because one, I'm waiting 621 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: on my invitation to brunch, because apparently you're an amazing chef, 622 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: um and you have you know, beautiful kids and and 623 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: and wife. But but how but how do you maintain 624 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: your your your sense of joy um and and like 625 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: and passion when this is the work that you do 626 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is about tragedy and despair. Yeah, 627 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's a really good question. I mean, I think, 628 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: first of all, I think it is so important for everyone, 629 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: regardless of what they do in life, to be able 630 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: to have a good support system. And a support system 631 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: starts with good friends, good family, a good network of 632 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: people that you can kind of like shoot the ship 633 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: with and just kind of get your mind off of things, 634 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: and people who you can call and say, man, i'm 635 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: really down, I'm frustrated, I'm annoyed, I'm bothered by things 636 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: that are happening personally, professionally, even in the news. So 637 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: having that outlet is very important. If you try to 638 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: constantly bottle things in and just kind of take more 639 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: and more of the pressure on you, I think it 640 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 1: could be destructive. And I'm not gonna lie. I feel 641 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of pressure all the time because you 642 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: just ask me a really important question, how do you 643 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: decide what goes into your show every Saturday and Sunday? 644 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm trying to watch and consume 645 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: everything like everyone else to the degree that I want 646 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: to say, I want to be able to make sure 647 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: I cover all the biggest stories of the week. And 648 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: I think it's really it's definitely really hard for sure 649 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: to consume everything and to think about all the things 650 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: that you wanted to read, all the articles, and there's 651 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: always a little bit of guilt and remorse that like, oh, 652 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to read this whole article, 653 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: or I haven't read this whole entire book before my 654 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: interview over the weekend, and that's definitely stressful. So I 655 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: think you have to take a step back. You have to, 656 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: you know, work within a team. I mean, I have 657 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: an amazing team and I trust them, and it makes 658 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: it makes my job a lot easier knowing that I'm 659 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: not just one person looking at one story, but in fact, 660 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: we're like ten or fifteen people looking at different stories. 661 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: That's one. And to have a good support system that 662 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: you can kind of unplug when you come home. As 663 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: you said, I like, I love to cook. It's something 664 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: that I've gotten into over the last couple of years. 665 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: So it gives me a little bit more purpose and 666 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: intent when I'm not in the studio and I'm not 667 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: reading that I can kind of apply myself to and 668 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: it gives me a little bit of escape, and it 669 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: makes me feel like I've achieved something, even if the 670 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: food tastes bad. I'm like, you know, I just made 671 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: an amazing pumpkin pie. Or this pie tasted horrible, but 672 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: at least I spent like three or four hours learning 673 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: how to make pie crust, you know, So I love 674 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: I love it. Well, I'm waiting for the Aimen Eats podcast. 675 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the Amen Eats cooking show Aimen and Friends. 676 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for I'm waiting for that iteration of your 677 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: I want, I want that iteration of your of your 678 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: media career because I love to see it. It looks amazing. Um. Amen, 679 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for for making the time to 680 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: join Woke f and thank you for all of the 681 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: work that you are doing on your new show on 682 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: Saturday joining us. I know, asking you to come on 683 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: the show on the weekends, it's always, uh, it's a 684 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: tough order. You know, you want to have some time 685 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: where you're like, you know what, I just need to 686 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: unplug from all this madness. So we appreciate when you 687 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: come on and you well, I very rarely say no 688 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: to you, so so you ask, you ask, and you're 689 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: one of the few people I'm like, oh, it's a weekend, 690 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: but it's amen, Okay, I'll do it. Thank you all right, friend, 691 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Guys. Everyone check out Aim and show on 692 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: Saturdays and Sundays and on Peacock on on Fridays. You 693 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: know him, you love him. It's tremendous viewing. And they're 694 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: not a lot of people who I support and have 695 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: passion for these days on TV, but you're still one 696 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: of them. So I appreciate that. That is it, dear 697 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: friends for me today on Woke, A f as always 698 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power. 699 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.