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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast producer David payin here.

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Speaker 4: Just like our AFC episode, the guys went long discussing

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Speaker 4: some training camp questions in the NFC as well, So

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Speaker 4: we're splitting it into two parts. If you missed our

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Speaker 4: AFC episodes, go back and check those out. Part one

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Speaker 4: and two are live now. Also Part one of the

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Speaker 4: NFC is live. We're stuck in Raybahn. Get into the

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Speaker 4: NFC South and NFC East. So here's part two of

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Speaker 4: the NFC looking at the NFC West in the NFC North.

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Speaker 1: All right, NFC West, I mean there's another one of

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Speaker 1: those divisions where like the team could at the top

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Speaker 1: could be either really good or really bad, and it's

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. I think there's they're very polarizing

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Speaker 1: team and they've they've kind of been they've played to

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Speaker 1: that in the past.

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Speaker 2: Is that a future or a book because.

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Speaker 1: You get like I asked myself, like notis have injury problems?

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Speaker 1: Is it personnel issues now this year?

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Speaker 1: Or is it the front office? Because this team has

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Speaker 1: been had enough success that you just wonder did they

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Speaker 1: blow it with some of the moves they've made filling

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Speaker 1: out the roster and just you know some of the

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Speaker 1: whiffs they've had, because they've had some crazy hits to

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Speaker 1: I mean purty so like where like what is this thing?

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Speaker 3: They were right?

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Speaker 2: Last year?

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Speaker 3: They were just decimated by injuries. But the yeah they were.

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Speaker 3: They were a play away from winning the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago there in the NFC Championshi

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Speaker 3: Game and then had to play they had no quarterback

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Speaker 1: They should have maybe they should have three super Bowls

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Speaker 2: You know, some of the drafts have been I mean.

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Speaker 3: And this year, look they now you had to pay

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Speaker 3: some guys. Yeah, yeah, injuries are worth watching. Like they

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Speaker 3: were unlucky. They were very unlucky that year. A they're

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Speaker 3: gonna get luckier of this year, We'll see. That's been

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Speaker 3: a consistent problem for the forty nine ers over the years.

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Speaker 3: But like Ayuk Gustafa. When are they ready as a

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Speaker 3: result wide receiver, safety, Those are questions on this team

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Speaker 3: going into the year. We like the higher. They've been

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Speaker 3: searching for an identity on defense ever since Sala left,

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Speaker 3: I think Sala will is a ben It's a great

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Speaker 3: HighRes as good hires they could have had, but the

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Speaker 3: the offseason to One of the things that I'm watching sides,

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Speaker 3: that offense, it's as long as they're healthy. Ken the

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Speaker 3: young rookies is probably more important than almost any team

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. For a team that people you know

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Speaker 3: important that he wins that job. If not right away eventually,

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Speaker 3: So that's what I'm watching there. It's like the injuries

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Speaker 3: this draft this year because I do think Sala raises

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that's really I think it goes

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Speaker 1: But at some point It's like, now you signed your

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Speaker 2: Like how many guys have to be hurt before you

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Speaker 1: Because like it was, it got to a point last

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Speaker 1: Because so, I mean I have a lot of questions

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Speaker 3: Don't mind taking time of the Cardinals in the division,

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Speaker 3: but like there's someone certainty with this forty nine Ers

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Speaker 3: But now it's gonna be harder after having to pay

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Speaker 3: Stafford's age is he where where is that? When does that?

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Speaker 3: be good. Left tackle is definitely worth paying attention to,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: They luckily have hit on some of their young to

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see if Will Johnson, if he's healthy

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Speaker 3: We know the offense is going to be pretty good.

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Speaker 3: They bring back their entire offensive line. It's gonna come

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Speaker 3: down to Marry, Like, can you ever complete a deep

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Speaker 3: pass for once? And I don't know. That's just a

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Speaker 3: constant weakness. Marvin Harrison Junior. It's got to be that

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Speaker 3: But I think this team has a lot of upside

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals to win the division. The forty nine ers

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Speaker 3: and I think the Seahawks are going to take a

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Speaker 3: have a new scheme on offense, uh, you know, a

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Speaker 3: the most settled position is a rookie left guard out

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Speaker 3: don't know. I think the Seahawks take a big step back.

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Speaker 3: you know, potentially a left tackle question Stafford getting older,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things we mentioned was with

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Speaker 1: like DeVante Adams is is he truly gonna be what

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Speaker 1: So that's something I'm kind of thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Is he not as explosive anymore?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so and and Williams. I mean, say what you

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Speaker 3: Like number one, what's going on with Alton Jenkins? His status?

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Speaker 3: They just have not lived up backstation. They're not contributing,

438
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: and this is a team that wants to develop. They're

439
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 3: not going to go out bring in a ton of

440
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 3: guys in free agency, so it's time for them to

441
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: step up. So a lot of things I'm watching with

442
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Speaker 3: the Packers. I think they have extreme upside, but they

443
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: also have a low floor because this defense could go sideways.

444
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: The offense. Just how's it all going to come together?

445
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 3: You have this health and Jenkins question, how's the receivers,

446
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: how's the receiver room going to come together? I trust

447
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: the staff. I really like the staff, but a lot

448
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 3: of questions. Sorry for my Packers ramble, what do you say?

449
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: I think this is a year that you want to

450
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: buy the Packers because they they kind of they didn't

451
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: really take a true step back like they did, but

452
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: they didn't if that makes sense, you know, like they

453
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: clearly had issues against top teams and that's that's going

454
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: to be your undoing obviously in the postseason. But I

455
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: think they're in position where they're getting slept on, first

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: of all, so there's value in the market. The division

457
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: is really good. But at the same time, I think

458
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: the key for me is they their quarterback is excellent.

459
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: To your point, like Jordan Love, I don't think people will.

460
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: Realize that.

461
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: He had a top five season in terms of yards

462
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: per attempt QBR.

463
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: Like I think the.

464
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: More predictive is really good.

465
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know happened to Jordan Love.

466
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Speaker 1: He got hurt and had to miss some time, and

467
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: that obviously is going to have an effect. And what's

468
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: becoming more and more clear every day is that the

469
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Packers did not like the way their receiver room set

470
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: up last year, and so you know, we we kind

471
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Speaker 1: of knock a lot of these teams for being poor

472
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: at their evaluations and you know, waiting too long. I

473
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: like that the Packers are kind of getting because I

474
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: even you know, it was like, oh yeah, you know,

475
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: having Wix wide receiver four.

476
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Speaker 2: Gotta love that.

477
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Speaker 1: Like I was looking at them like they had an

478
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: irishminer riches like oh yeah, you know, bou melting. He's like,

479
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: you're number five and move. This's got a corner.

480
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: Uh, Jaden reed in the corner in beau Melton.

481
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: Maybe in the middle, right, But but I mean it's

482
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's all upside with the Packers because

483
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: Jordan Love was good even when he's bad. And by

484
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: the way, you know, yeah, you can talk about Theoph's

485
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: line like Jordan Love got sackedcked once the game, you know,

486
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yes, they were, they decreased his

487
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: passage whatever, He's still dropping back thirty times a game.

488
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: Like his sack numbers were still impressive with being injured.

489
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Speaker 2: Uh.

490
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Speaker 1: Now, I think Golden gives them a dimension that they didn't.

491
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Speaker 2: Consistently have before.

492
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: That allows them more options, you know with uh you know,

493
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: Dobbs should not be playing as much as he does

494
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: either or if he he should not be in the

495
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: role he is. What I wonder is is read like

496
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Speaker 1: I think they could stand the increase his role more.

497
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they baby him with the with

498
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: the uh you know, taking him off the field and

499
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: all the two wide receiver sets because I mean, he

500
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: was he's supposed to be like they're leading receiver. He

501
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: average like four and a half targets last year. I

502
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: think he I think the Golden acquisition could help the

503
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: entire pass offense because they'll be more willing to throw

504
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: that and uh they.

505
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Will also be you know.

506
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Speaker 1: I think that puts uh Jada Reid on the field more,

507
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: even if he's not if he's still sitting out those

508
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: those uh you know, heavier personnel, because they're just passing more.

509
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: Last year they barely passed the ball, but they just

510
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: have They they find ways to get a lot of

511
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: upside from guys like I mean that was a Jacobs.

512
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: McKinny comes over in beast, Jordan Love's been uh a

513
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: Monds and he had that crazy stretch to end the

514
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: year before, and they had that playoff game and they

515
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: damn never made it to the to the UH to

516
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. So yeah, I think the Packers have

517
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: a ton of upside and disdivision, and maybe this division

518
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: being so good is actually a good thing for value

519
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: because it kind of makes it kind of makes everyone

520
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: or it kind of makes people kind of scared of

521
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Speaker 1: the Packers. But I think they their downs that year

522
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: was somehow a year where they still were very good

523
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: last year.

524
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm in on the Packers. I'm right with you.

525
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I think it's Packers and Bears and then Lions and

526
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: Vikings if you gotta fade people, and do we even

527
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: talk about them yet?

528
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: I mean quickly.

529
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: Obviously McCarthy's gonna be worth watching. You know, you basically

530
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: have a rookie quarterback, so new interior offensive line could

531
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 3: be better, You have good tackles, you have good weapons

532
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: on the outside. I think, personally with the Vikings something

533
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: worth watching. I mean the pleasure. They went nine to

534
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: one in one possession games, five and one in field

535
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: goal games, had thirty three takeaways twenty four interceptions, both

536
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: led the league, and even though they were bottom five

537
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: in separation metrics for their secondary, which is still a

538
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: major question. Schedule gets tougher as well. Basically you get

539
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: the Chargers and Seahawks instead of the Giants and Jets,

540
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: and then the AFC North instead of the AFC South.

541
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Speaker 3: So things are gonna be a little tougher for the Vikings.

542
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: I think they want to run more this year. Makes

543
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 3: sense with McCarthy and then you bring in Mason, you

544
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: think you go out and you upgrade your I still

545
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: have some questions, Like everyone thinks that Freeze is just

546
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: like he's going to be an all pro guard. I

547
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: still think there's some questions there. When you go out,

548
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: you spend only into your office on you know you

549
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: have good tackles, you know you have good receivers you

550
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: can to stap and they I've been able to really

551
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: run the ball last couple of years. If you can

552
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: run the ball more effectively and then you have those

553
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 3: receivers on the outside, it's gonna help your young quarterback

554
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: and it's gonna open up things. It's gonna make it

555
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: very difficult to defend. And that's what I think. One

556
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: of the reasons they've brought in Jordan Mason. The defensive

557
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: side of the ball. Have a lot of questions. You know,

558
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: it's Brian Flores. I think they're gonna blitz less. I

559
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: think we're gonna run more blitz less kind of marries

560
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: somewhat philosophically because I think they're one of a lot

561
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: more on coverage. Like two years ago, Flora's blitzed fifty

562
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: percent of the dime, last year's like forty. I could

563
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: see it being like thirty three, thirty four. It's still

564
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: gonna blitz a lot, but I could see that dropping.

565
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: And the reason is you went out and you got

566
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: guys who can get pressure from the interior, or so

567
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: you think. And you know, you bring in Alan and

568
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: you bring in Hargreave, and.

569
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: Last year you couldn't.

570
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: You weren't really getting any Phillips. He's not getting any

571
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: pressure from the interior. So I think you can get

572
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: a little more natural pressure. And then your secondary is

573
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: a big major question for me. That's what I need

574
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: to watch here. I mean, does THEO Jackson step up

575
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: and give you anything, because like Mattelus and Harrison Smith,

576
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: he's passed his prime. If they're your deep safeties, yikes.

577
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: And then your cornerback room. It's like Murphy, can you

578
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: have the year he did last year? I have questions

579
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: about that. Okuda Blackman, You're probably gonna need Rogers say,

580
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: these guys are not reliable at the corner, so you're

581
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: probably gonna have to play more coverage. I think you

582
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: lost buying him as well in that secondary, So there's all.

583
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about this defense regressing hard,

584
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: and then the offense. I think they want to run

585
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: the ball more. We'll see how successful they can be

586
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: doing that. That'll help McCarthy a lot, and then how

587
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: effective as he is basically a rookie, that's probably gonna

588
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: go a long way. It's a really good staff, but

589
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings take a clear, clear step back,

590
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: which the market obviously is accounting for. But I'm pretty

591
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 3: low on the Vikings this year. I think they take

592
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: a big step back.

593
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I actually have a bit of a different take with

594
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Speaker 1: the Vikings. I think that they may be a better

595
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: team than last year. I just think they won't win

596
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: as many games because last year.

597
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: They lost.

598
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Possession games, and they lost the two teams last year,

599
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: Detroit and the Rams twice each. That's the only two

600
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: teams they lost too.

601
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: So.

602
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: But the thing about that is when you talk about

603
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the improvement from Chicago, you talk about the improvement.

604
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: From uh Green Bay. You know, now you.

605
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Take those sweeps out of the equation and you've added

606
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: just a harder schedule across the board, a.

607
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: FA North and said a S South, Chargers and Seahawks

608
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: instead of Giants and Jets.

609
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and remember, ultimately, I think this is you

610
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: got remember this, this is the quarterback that O'Connor wants.

611
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: He's made it work with pretty much everyone. Yeah, but

612
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: this is clearly the quarterback he wants. This is so

613
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: long term I think the Vikings are buying I don't.

614
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be good enough on offense that

615
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: they'll be able to mitigate some.

616
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Of the like the worst of it.

617
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: They'll win some shootouts too, But it's just more about

618
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: their schedule for me. And it's kind of a similar

619
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: story to Detroit. But Detroit I think actually does have

620
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: some some more legit concerns because like, the Vikings have

621
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Speaker 1: always been this kind of team, like they're gonna have

622
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: some weird games on defense, but they're gonna.

623
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Speaker 3: Be posession games. They're like the extremes like that's that's

624
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: probably what will happen this year. They seem like they're

625
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: really lucky early, unlucky in that department, but uh yeah, McCarthy,

626
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: I'll be I really want to watch to see like this.

627
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: We won't knowle the regular season, but their run rates,

628
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Speaker 3: their blitz rates, uh secondary comes together and that interier

629
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: offensive line which will play into the run game, which

630
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: I think will help McCarthy because you gotta expect there's

631
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: gonna be some learning curve early. But Detroit, yeah, I

632
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: think they take a step back. I get their defense

633
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: was really banged up last year. I'm still not in

634
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: love with the personnel. And by the way, their offense

635
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: was extremely healthy, So if you get injuries on that

636
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: side of the ball, then that's the more important side

637
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: of the ball as well. They were lucky with fumbles, injuries,

638
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: and you name it across the board. But the main

639
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: thing with the lines were talked about how much we

640
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: love Ben Johnson. Who doesn't the loss of Ben Johnson,

641
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: how does that impact Jared Goff doesn't no longer get

642
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: his handheld by mcvaigh or Johnson. And now your interier

643
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: offensive line is a major question mark. You have you lose,

644
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: You lost your two best in tier offensive lineman. Frank

645
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: right now was the best center in the NFL, the

646
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: best run blocking arguably the best run blocking in tier

647
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: offensive lineman in the entire NFL. And the run game

648
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: was such a huge portion. And then Goff can't deal

649
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: with it, he can't move, he can't deal with interior pressure.

650
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean, GoF win kept clean in that offense is

651
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: elite second accuracy, not bottom ten inaccuracy. Now that offensive

652
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: line with Mahogany, you're gonna have Tate Rattledge, rookie from

653
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: Georgia maybe starting at center. That's as big of a

654
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: drop off at one of the most important positions as

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Speaker 3: you will see so in tier offensive line. And the

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Speaker 3: loss of Ben Johnson major question marks. The defensive injury recoveries.

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Speaker 3: That's worth watching the Angeloni contract situation. But I mean,

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00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: this team was well plus ten and turnovers seven and

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Speaker 3: two and one score games, four to zero field goal games.

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Speaker 3: They were really healthy on offense. They should be healthier

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Speaker 3: on defense. I didn't love their draft, so I think

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Speaker 3: that they they take a step back this year, and

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Speaker 3: by the way, their schedule gets tougher, and part of

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Speaker 3: that is they have the toughest road slate in the league.

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Speaker 3: A lot of those games outdoors against really good teams

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Speaker 3: seven and nine outdoors, you're gonna get a little win

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Speaker 3: for golf with some internal in tier your pressure. No,

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson around might not look as pretty in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is it's funny though, because you know,

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Speaker 1: if let's say, Washington isn't is as bad as you

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think they're gonna be bad.

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Speaker 3: I just said that.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Win like nine games. That's good. My point is under

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Speaker 3: nine and a half plus money, and I think there's

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Speaker 3: some downside there with with with health, close games, four downs.

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Speaker 3: McLaren so good. Do you have a watch fut No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I have sounds like you need.

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Speaker 1: I have a division future for them, I think just

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Speaker 1: based on you know, the Eagles trajectory one year to

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Speaker 1: the next and and whatnot. But Detroit, like, I also

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Speaker 1: don't think they're necessarily going to be like the classic,

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Speaker 1: you know, take a step back team. I think Campbell

685
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: is probably getting a little swept on, like everyone's gonna

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00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, Ben Johnson. But at the same time, it's

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Speaker 1: just more so than any other year with Detroit since

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Speaker 1: you know of in recent memory, since they got good.

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Speaker 1: Just everything's working against them now, Like you lose not

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Speaker 1: only Johnson, but you lose like Engstrand as well. So

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Speaker 1: like now there's new cooks in the kitchen, and you

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Speaker 1: mentioned like there's some some head scratchers in the draft,

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Speaker 1: uh you have, Like it was kind of disconcerting that

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Speaker 1: you got like the way that playoff game unfolded and

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Speaker 1: and you also lost to the was the Bucks?

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Speaker 2: You lost to the Bucks? You lost to the uh

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Speaker 2: the Commanders to end the season, and then was what

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Speaker 2: was the third loss? Somebody else good?

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Speaker 1: Right, Like, so that's that's worry now because now you're

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Speaker 1: gonna need to yeah, the Bill. So like they only

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Speaker 1: lost to teams that like there's no shame in it.

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Speaker 1: But it's like that last year might have been the

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Speaker 1: year for the Lions, Like they were so good until

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00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: they weren't and their defense just came apart.

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00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Now it's nothing's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be as easy, and they could they could finish

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Speaker 1: last in this division and they can be better than I.

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Speaker 3: Think there's some value missing the playoffs, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: They might be better than a first place team in

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Speaker 1: another division was gonna be My point about like if

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Speaker 1: if some of these teams really do uh you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of have a floor outcome. So I just think

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Speaker 1: this NFC, No, it's gonna be it's gonna be really

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00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: tough futures wise, because it's like they're all they all

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: could just be so good, but they're not all gonna

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Speaker 1: win games. And then it's like, remember people wanted to

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Speaker 1: fade Minnesota. I think was it last year, right, and

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Speaker 1: then they they ended up being a wit until they weren't.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's gonna it's gonna be tough. But

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Speaker 1: I think I think Green Bay. I think Chicago and

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Speaker 1: Green Bay are the right teams, and then Minnesota could

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Speaker 1: surprise people because I mean having a bad having the

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Speaker 1: question on defense, but still having Flores there and still

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Speaker 1: having an offense that may makes it work with like

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Speaker 1: a quarterback almost still a solid position to be in.

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Speaker 3: So I just think this division, you can make arguments

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Speaker 3: for all the teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they but they the way it could play

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Speaker 1: out is they could just didn't think it was last

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Speaker 1: year too, where they had a really good record against

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Speaker 1: the rest of the NFL. I mean it could it

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Speaker 1: could just be I wouldn't be scared to be very

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Speaker 1: bearish on like multiple teams and other divisions just you

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Speaker 1: know kind of like yes exactly, but I mean the

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Speaker 1: West though, you know what I mean, Like it could

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Speaker 1: be good or it could be bad. That's why I

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Speaker 1: just want to upside with them. And I still I'm

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Speaker 1: still not buying Arizona's the super Bowl team.

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Speaker 2: And if even if.

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Speaker 1: Arizona's not a super Bowl yes, yeah, so that makes

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Speaker 1: it simpler because like ow In McVeigh, the Eagles and

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Speaker 1: Shanahan from the NFC to.

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Speaker 2: Go to the super Bowl, it seems like sore time.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think I think I think they're the team and

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Speaker 1: fantasy and fantasy as well. I mean, for a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that was as efficient as he was and his main

748
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: issue is just volume and injury, you can get him

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Speaker 1: and all his receivers essentially for free, uh, because they're

750
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Speaker 1: not none of them are being drafts like true fantasy starters,

751
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: like they're they're the team that's being slept on, and

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00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: that I think that's how you kind of take advantage

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Speaker 1: of the fact that this division is so good, Like

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Speaker 1: the Bears are gonna be the talk and probably it's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be the Bears already like the first Yeah, Caleb,

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Speaker 1: I mean Caleb, it could be an issue. It could

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Speaker 1: like there's there's a there's those warning signs there if

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Speaker 1: we if we're being honest with ourselves. So yeah, I'm

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