1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: I never told you objection to I heart radio. And 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: it's time for another female first, which means we are 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: once again fortunate enough to be joined by our good friend, 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the wonderful, delightful, lovely Eve's welcome, Eve, and thanks for 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: the welcome. It's getting longer and I love it. I 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: wanted to keep adding I do think about it. I'm like, 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: which words have I already used? I gotta mix it up. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: It's a good exercise for me. But they're all true, 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: so it's obviously should be there, absolutely absolutely all true. Um. 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: As always, we just had a really fun, slash kind 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of frustrating discussion before this about some really adult things 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with adults. But also we have had 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: some travel going on and upcoming. Um So even I 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: know you're getting ready to do some stuff, how are 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: you feeling about it? I'm feeling good about it. Um. 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I feel excited at this point, not too stressed, because 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: sometimes before I travel to places, I get this stress 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: of like anticipated stress of being in a new place, 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: like having to deal with different languages and navigating. And 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: one thing I was thinking about earlier is like the 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: pace so moving quickly, and that is one thing I'm 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: glad about. What this trip is a little longer, so 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: I know that I won't have to like be running 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: from bus to bus or like be like walking around 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: with my phone in my hand, like constantly trying to 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: figure things out. I think I get a little bit 28 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: of anxiety around the like constant being in a constant 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: state of figuring things out, which can get so stressful. Um, 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: So I feel calm about it right now. I am 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: going to drink some tea today. I'm going to try 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: to work out these kinks in my back. I was 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: telling Samantha that I'm feeling really stiff today. So I 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: think that like now I'm going to focus a little 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: bit more now that now that all the adulting things 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier that I have brought up 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: frustration are kind of out of the way, I think 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: that I'm going to be able to like focus on 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: a little bit of physical peace for like I have 40 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: to move into some more motion and jet lag and 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: things that won't be so physically great. Yeah, I hope. So, 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's I agree with all the stuff you said, 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Like just thinking about long fights. My back just twinges 44 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: like oh no, no, no, no no. And I'm definitely 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: somebody who when I travel. I love traveling, but I 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: do make it into like micromanaged. Here's the schedule, every 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: second he's accounted for. So I hope that this can 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: be a more relaxing experience for you. I'm glad you 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: brought that up because I was just thinking about this, 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: and I was just telling some other people that I'm 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: in a group it about it about how I am 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: a planner, and when I traveled earlier this year, I 53 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: didn't plan much at all, and I was like, wow, 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: it felt like a revelation. It's like, wow, I can 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: actually do this. I am capable of it. I was 56 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: I've told myself for so long that I know I'm 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a terrible time if I don't have plans 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: for every day schedule things, um knowing that I like 59 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: pay for something in advance or got to take it 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: further thing in advance. And I let go a lot 61 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: of that earlier this year, and now that I have 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more time to do so, like I 63 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: have a whole week in a city where I don't 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: have plans to do anything like if we want to 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: go somewhere else, I'm down for taking a long train 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: to get there, that kind of thing. So I am. 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: I am excited about releasing, like surrendering to just whatever 68 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: happens happens, rather than wrestling everything like into my grasp, 69 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: wrangling it and trying to control it, like, which is 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: something that I to do a lot. Yeah, I hate 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: doing all of the planning. And he knows that we've 72 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: done this together and I'm like, you do it. I 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: don't want to think about it. These are my request 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: in the story, um everything else. If I don't have 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: an opinion, that means I don't have an opinion. I 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: really don't care. I please don't make me decide. That's 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: like my ideal vacation with one or two things that 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: I know I definitely want to do. And the end 79 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: of that is like, if anything else is asked, I'm 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: just gonna like crumble into the floor because I don't 81 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to get to melt into 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: a pool of Samantha. You know, at least you know 83 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: that about yourself because you want vacations are traveling to 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: be an enjoyable experience where possible, and it is. It 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: is funny to me sometimes because I am so like, 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: we have to do all of this, So I've had 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: to I've had to learn. I'm not as I haven't 88 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: learned to let go or surrender as much as you ease. 89 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: But I have had to learn that not everybody wants 90 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: to be like we have to go here, here, here, here, here. 91 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: We're getting up at two am, we're staying out until 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: at night. Like. So it's good to know those things. 93 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: But I do fall heavily on the side of maximizing 94 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: your time when you're on vacation, Like I'm still not 95 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: a lounger, and I don't know if I'll ever be 96 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: a lounger. Like I like to make use of my time. 97 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I want rest, but I came 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: here to do like I can. I'm cool with the being, 99 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: but like I can do that at home, I can 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: be at home. It's a delicate balance. Um, I can't 101 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: wait for you to report back in the next femail. 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: First we have to see if how it worked out. 103 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm hoping that you know, I get some inspiration 104 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: for who who the next person will be? Maybe yes, exciting, Yes, 105 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: that is exciting. I do love that about traveling. Well, 106 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: we will check back in on that. But before we 107 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: do that, who did you bring for us to discuss today, Eves? 108 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: So today we're gonna be talking about loud Elena. Is 109 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: you campust mellow? So she founded the first union for 110 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: domestic workers in Brazil and her story is super interesting. 111 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the resources on her are in Portuguese, 112 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: so if you would like to do more research on her, 113 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: it will definitely be helpful for you to know some 114 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Portuguese which I don't, which you're probably going to be 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: able to tell by my pronunciations, but I'm gonna do 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: on this. So we'll get into the history of domestic 117 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: workers a little bit in addition to laud Alina's history herself, 118 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of the history of enslaved people in 119 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: Brazil and history of labor in Brazil as well. In 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: today's episode. Yes, and I'm really excited to talk about 121 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: this one because it was hard to find resources for me, 122 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: like in my very you know, basic, so I know 123 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of what you're talking about before we go in UM. 124 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: But also we have talked about UM domestic work and 125 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: women unionizing around domestic work on the show before and 126 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: how important it is, and so oh, I'm eager to 127 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: learn more about all of that. Yeah, that's a difficulty 128 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that we put up against a lot with these histories. 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: But I'm glad that you know. It's like, it's still 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: worthy talking about people even if you don't necessarily you 131 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: can't dig in as deeply if you don't speak the 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: native language of the person that you were talking about. 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: But I really want to make sure that I continue 134 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: focusing on those people even if they're not as easily accessible, 135 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: because oftentimes that means that generally people who are just 136 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: digging into some research or googling and things like that, 137 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder for them to do the 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: research and the work themselves. So I think it's nice 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: to have an easy jumping off point for learning more 140 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: about loud Alina. Yes, agreed, that is certainly something we've 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: run up against. Two is we want to showcase people 142 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: that might be harder in our kind of westernized google 143 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: searches to get their information. Um, and it can be hard, 144 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean they're not worthy of doing the 145 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: extra diggae are being that jumping off point. Yeah, and 146 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: also that the fact of the matter is that there 147 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: are the research that we're doing. You know, these are 148 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: people who know a lot about loud and Lena and 149 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: have written about her themselves, and they are the ones 150 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: who provide access to these materials. So just you know, 151 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: acknowledging the fact that there are people who are multi 152 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: lingual and are writing about loud Alina, and that some 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: of these people can be resources as well. Yes, so 154 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: shall we get to the history? Yep? So. Loud and 155 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: Lena was born in October of nineteen o four. She 156 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: was born in Postus Jucalogist in Mina Gerai, which is 157 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: a state in southeast Brazil. Her mother was a domestic worker, 158 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: so was already a history of domestic work in her family, 159 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: which is not unusual because a lot of women were 160 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: domestic workers and her father was a lumberjack. Her dad 161 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: died when she was around twelve years old, and then 162 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: her mom had to work in a hotel, and aloud 163 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: of Lena had to bear a lot of the responsibility 164 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: of taking care of her family. She had to care 165 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: for her younger siblings. But in her younger year she 166 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: was already interested in activism. When she was a teenager 167 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and she became president of an organization that promoted activities 168 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: for black people, and she also worked as a domestic 169 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: worker in the home of Julia Kobishek, whose son would 170 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: later become President of Brazil, and then she moved to 171 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: South Paulo with that family. She was involved in black organizations. 172 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: Um she was referred to in a lot of the 173 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: sources that I've seen as a militant, but and she 174 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: wasn't involved in these organizations. In the state of salth Paolo. 175 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: From around the time of nineteen twenty you'll see that 176 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: she was affiliated with the Communist Party and she did 177 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: get married. In nineteen twenty four. She married a man 178 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: named and Hike Geramus, a Stonemason from Rio de Janeiro, 179 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: and the two of them started to build a family. 180 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: They moved to salth Paolo in nineteen thirty two. They 181 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: had two children, although one died not long after she 182 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: was born, and they moved to Santus and they stayed 183 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: together for a minute, but she and her husband did 184 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: later separate around nineteen thirty eight. So now that I've 185 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: already mentioned that her mother was a domestic worker as well, 186 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: and she was also in domestic work and So for 187 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of the background of domestic work in Brazil, 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: it's obviously very complex. Um, Like you said, Annie, we've 189 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: talked about domestic work before. In the history of it, 190 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: it was something that wasn't limited to Brazil. It was 191 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: active like domestic people who were advocating for domestic workers. 192 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: That was something that was happening around the world around 193 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: the same period as well, and there were people who 194 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: were doing organizing work in the US and Uruguay and 195 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: elsewhere in addition to Brazil. But domestic work in Brazil, 196 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: as it is in so many places, is linked to 197 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: issues of gender, race, and class, and in Brazil is 198 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: also linked to the history of colonialism and slavery. So 199 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: if y'all didn't know, the Portuguese colonized Brazil and the 200 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: labor of enslaved indigenous people and Africans built up the 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: economy of Brazil over the course of three hundred years. 202 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: So just for everybody listening to like keep that in 203 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: their mind, that is a longer conversation than we have 204 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: time to have today. But the population in Brazil during 205 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: the time of enslave meant they had a lot of 206 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: enslaved people there. Um, they contributed hugely to the economy, 207 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: and as was the case with domestic workers and so 208 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: many other things, also to the social systems within Brazil 209 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: and all of the things that were built up around it. 210 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: So of course domestic work carried out by enslaved people 211 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: played a huge role in shaping colonial Brazil. Um most 212 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: of that domestic work was done by black women, and 213 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: domestic work was kind of perceived as the typical or 214 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: the natural sphere for black women. So it wasn't seen 215 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: as work. It was more of a thing just like 216 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: this is their place. You know, they're infurious, this is 217 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the thing that they were meant to do, and this 218 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: is not considered professional work in any sort of official way. 219 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: So scholars did note that this continuation of racism and 220 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: discrimination after the colonial era, and they pointed to this 221 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: idea of women moving from being enslaved servants to domestic workers. 222 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: So there is in the scholarship that I've seen like 223 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: this idea of a line from the time of enslavement 224 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: to the work that women were doing as domestic workers. 225 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Even after the time of abolition. So many of these 226 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: families in the country had full time living domestic workers. 227 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: This was just a part of the system. This is 228 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: how it was, and these domestic workers got room and 229 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: board in exchange for their services and things like clothing 230 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: as well. And this work gave many women away after 231 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: the abolition of slavery in Brazil, So this was a 232 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: thing and a feel that a lot of women were 233 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,119 Speaker 1: able to go into after, you know, the time of enslavement. 234 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: And so as a result of all of these complexities 235 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: and so many more, domestic work has been devalued in 236 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: history and the people who perform it have been inadequately 237 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: compensated or inadequately supported legally as well. So domestic work 238 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: wasn't treated as quote unquote real work, and domestic workers 239 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: were actively and intentionally excluded from labor laws um and 240 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: they didn't have access to the basic labor rights like 241 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: paid annual leave, a minimum wage. So even before loud 242 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Alina was in the pictures, so she is viewed and 243 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: considered and is a pioneer of the domestic workers movement 244 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in Brazil. But even before she was in the picture 245 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: and before abolition, there were domestic workers who did demand 246 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: compensation for their work. And we're already actively advocating, even 247 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: if it was in an individual way. For their own rights, 248 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: for them to have better living and working conditions, which 249 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: obviously with domestic work, those things are so tied together 250 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: because they were living um so so often. So efforts 251 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: began ramping up for workers rights in Brazil in the 252 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties and black women organized the Brazilian Black Front, 253 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: So that was founded in Salth Paulo in nineteen thirty one, 254 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: and it was an organization of a black people who 255 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: advocated for the rights of black people in the country. 256 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: It was also a political party and this organization and 257 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: its idea spread around Brazil, had newspapers, it had a 258 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: school and other things that were organized around it like 259 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: a militia, and people in the organization advocated for the 260 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: status of domestic workers. So you'll see um domestic work 261 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: and the Brazilian Black Front and the things that they 262 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: cared about kind of merging together. And this is where 263 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: a loud Alina's first comes in. So in nineteen thirty six, 264 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: that's when she founded the first union for domestic workers 265 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: in Brazil, and that was in Sound too, and it 266 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: was called the Professional Ciation of Domestic Workers. So in 267 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: the paper by the sociology professor Joazzie bernaginea Costa. He 268 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: said that in an interview with elizabetha Aparicida Pinto that 269 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: she said that aloud Elina found it the Santo's Association 270 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: to win the right to unionize domestic workers. The association 271 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: organized a campaign that worked for domestic workers to live 272 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: in their own homes um. They also stood by the 273 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: principle that domestic workers were professionals, they weren't just part 274 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: of the families of the people who employed them, and a. 275 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Loud Elina seemed to be particularly concerned with older workers 276 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: who were getting too old or too sick to work 277 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: with no access to social security or pensions. But at 278 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: this point trade union still acted as private associations and 279 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't negotiate or get union dues. So this was 280 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: around the same time that Getulio Vargas, who was President 281 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: of Brazil at the time, took dictatorial power in nineteen 282 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: thirty seven and he dissolved all political parties. That led 283 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: to the dissolution of the Domestic Workers Professional Association as 284 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: well as the Brazilian Black Front and other associations. So 285 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: that was the context of what was happening that was 286 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: very turbulent and political times at the time, but in 287 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: ninety six, after Vargus was ousted, the association was re 288 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: established with loud Alina as its president. So she lived 289 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: in a campiness and she was involved in activism there 290 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: from the nineteen fifties and onward. She was also active 291 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: in the black movement and involved in Black Experimental Theater, 292 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: which was a group that organized activities for black youth, 293 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: and she organized other cultural events as well. So she 294 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: continued to be active in organizing for domestic workers labor rights. 295 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one she founded the Compudis Union, which 296 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: was called the Charitable Professional Association of Domestic Workers, and 297 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: it supported things like literacy training and activities that could 298 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: create communion and solidarity among domestic workers. She also to 299 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: uplift the movement associated with the progressive portion of the 300 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: Catholic Church to help improve conditions for domestic workers. So 301 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: this is that's a um the background of the context 302 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: that loud Alina was working in and how there was 303 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: this overarching movement, So she wasn't the only one who 304 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: was working UM for domestic workers issues in the country. 305 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: There were especially over time as the ideas spread and 306 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: as more people became aware of the work that her 307 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: associations were doing, but also other associations who were fighting 308 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: for labor laws. It picked up steam. So in nineteen 309 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: seventy two, domestic labor law was enacted that meant that 310 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: domestic workers were able to have their workers cars signed 311 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: by employers, they got twenty days paid annual leave, and 312 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: they were integrated into the social security scheme. And it 313 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: took time, as it always does when we talk about 314 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: these things, that it's not just a single moment that 315 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: culminates in something large happening or some rights being one 316 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: for the group that's fighting for them, but it's something 317 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: that happens over time. Obviously, as we talked about earlier, 318 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: like this is um a movement that started even before abolition, 319 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: but that is continuing up until this moment, so all 320 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: the work that loud Alina was doing was not isolated, 321 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and also just thinking about all the other communities around 322 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: the world who were fighting for similar things. But over 323 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: time they did begin to gain more rights. So in 324 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: the Association of Domestic Workers that was in Companists became 325 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: the Union of Domestic Workers, and it was because it 326 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: was only at this point when domestic workers trade unions 327 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: were legally recognized as such UM when the Constitution of 328 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Brazil was ratified. So the constitution did protect basic rights 329 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: of domestic workers under the law, but it only granted 330 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: them some of those basic rights that other workers already had. 331 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: So it was one of those things where it's like 332 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: we'll give you an inch, but not a mile. So 333 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: they got minimum wage and wages couldn't be reduced unless 334 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: through agree meant fraternity leave, maternally leave without bearing unemployment 335 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: or salary, an annual bonus equal to one month's salary, 336 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: and paid annual leave that was at least one they're 337 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: higher than the normal salary. So those were some of 338 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: the things that they gained under the constitution, but of 339 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: course that had limitations like the right to collective bargaining, 340 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: which is obviously super important in them being able to 341 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: want some of the demands that they were putting upon people. 342 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: And there were also no right to limited hours of work, 343 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: which was a thing for for domestic workers because they 344 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: worked all the time and they lived with the people 345 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: who they were working for. But loud Alina's contributions UM 346 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: and the work that she did and the organizings she 347 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: did with her associations did contribute to some of those wins. 348 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: She died in May and she allowed her legacy to 349 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: live on actively took part in that by donating her 350 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: home to the domestic workers movement, and it's still used 351 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: as a union site and even today though domestic work 352 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: is still a significant portion of what women workers in 353 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: the country do, so the overwhelming majority of domestic workers 354 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: in the country are women, most of them are black. 355 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: Um they're poorly paid, oftentimes with little employment security, and 356 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: many don't have access to labor rights because there's still 357 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: some informality and some of the contracts that the domestic 358 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: workers have. But they have since gained more recognition and 359 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: more labor rights as professionals, even from that Constitution that 360 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. They've gained the right for 361 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: collective bargaining, things like pay, legal holidays, the prohibition of 362 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: domestic work for workers under eighteen, unemployment insured rents, over 363 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: time pay, and limits on work hours, which is super important, 364 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: and then protections in the case of dismissal without costs. 365 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: So the amendments to the constitution have basically granted them 366 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: all the same basic rights that other workers had, and 367 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: that is obviously a part of what glaud of Lena 368 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: herself was fighting for. But just be mindful that these 369 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: are things that are continuing beyond the time of her death, 370 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: which was a lot of these things were happening in 371 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's and into two thousand eighteen when 372 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: some of these things were passed, and into today. So 373 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: it's not something that has just ended and that you know, 374 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: a lout of Lena did her work and when she 375 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: was done, um, everything was great and fine and dandy. 376 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: So but but her contributions did help a lot in 377 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: the progress that was achieved and aiding domestic workers the 378 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: labor rights that they do have today. Like we said, 379 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: and like you said, this is domestic work is such 380 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: a often such an undervalued thing and it's so much 381 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: hard work, and it's so important and it does fall 382 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: along these gender lines and race lines and class lines, um. 383 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: And just to fight to get like equal rights for 384 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: this job that has it's I am sad that people 385 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: have to fight so hard and continue to fight so hard, um, 386 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: but it is inspiring to see people in that fight 387 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: that are like, no, this is important and we need 388 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: to be recognized and we're not going to go away. 389 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: So it's just a hugely important and ongoing conversation. Yes, 390 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating because obviously she was building 391 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: a foundation for a lot of unions when it comes 392 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: for unions for domestic workers, because we see that translated 393 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: in different countries in the United States. We know that's 394 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: even more recent with some of the big names that 395 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: have popped up to bring back the issue because it's 396 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: oftentimes so pushed down um in different policies, whether it's 397 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: politically like just disbanding the organizations by doing a whole 398 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: overarching thing or trying to discredit them within. We know 399 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: that union busters happen for a reason and who profits 400 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: off of that. But the fact that she started this organization, 401 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: started the fight so long ago and it's still holding 402 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: tight to the point that she donated her home for 403 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: a base, that's pretty phenomenal. That's a whole conversation in 404 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: itself is as what she stood for and how long 405 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: her legacy stands still today, And I think that's an 406 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: amazing testament. Unfortunately that it's still fighting is it's awful. 407 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: Like there's so many things that you like, you have 408 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: to look at the positive, but this negative too is 409 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: like Wow, that must wear on people. And try to 410 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: have this conversation, um, working as a nanny in general 411 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: like that showing knowing that kind of in that field, 412 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: how people use that position. It gets you as if 413 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: you're not a professional and understanding to stand up for 414 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: yourself in general feels like a feat being a woman 415 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: being in a caretaking position. Uh. There's so many levels 416 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: to trying to stand up for yourself and to fight 417 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: for your own rights and just get paid what you're 418 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: worth and being given the time to allow your own 419 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: life and being able to actually maintain physically, emotionally, mentally 420 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: in the field like that is so difficult, Uh, to 421 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: set any boundaries. So for her to be able to 422 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: come out with be like, I'm gonna not only going 423 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: to do this for myself, but other people need to 424 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: be able to do it for themselves as well. Yeah, 425 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: that's a really good point, Samantha. Like the boundaries because 426 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: literally the boundary of space and home does not exist 427 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: when you live in with somebody. Um, And it is 428 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: a it's a physical job, you know, it is a 429 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: very physical job. And that's something important to remember that 430 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: they're literally putting their bodies on the line. So when 431 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: it is they're very actively fighting for bodily autonomy and 432 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: rights related to the body when they're putting these demands forth. 433 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: And also the other thing about it was that, of 434 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: of course there's this entrenched history that is a strong 435 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: undercurrent under the views of domestic work. How why people 436 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: didn't view it or they or wasn't legally counted as 437 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: a professional category, but also why general sentiment was a 438 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: lot of the times that this is what they deserve. 439 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: This is they deserve, you know, come from a time 440 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: when they weren't compensated, and that was about right for people. 441 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: That's what they considered to be part for the course 442 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: and what they desire. And you'll see things like people 443 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: sending loud alina letters about how I don't think what 444 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: you're saying is it doesn't make any sense, like this 445 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: doesn't you don't deserve these rights, But that that was 446 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: also something that they were actively up against in law 447 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: laws that specifically said that in plain and clear language 448 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: that domestic workers should not and will not and do 449 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: not have the right to collectively bargain and things like that. 450 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: So that not to mention all of these political ups 451 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: and downs and dictatorships and difficulties that they had to 452 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: fight against that were larger, even if they weren't pointed 453 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: towards them, that made it more difficult for them to 454 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: get gains like actually being able to unionize and collectively bargains. 455 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: So it's also nice to see that persistence over time, 456 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: and even if we don't have a completely full picture 457 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: of loud Alina's life and everything she was doing every 458 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: single day of her life, that she always came back 459 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: to her work for domestic workers, but also was able 460 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: to translate all of the things that she cared about 461 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: into other movements and this conjoining of different movements that 462 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: worked out for the benefit of domestic workers. And she 463 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: seemed to be the kind of person to who cared 464 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: about literacy, she cared about education, and she cared about 465 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: the elderly, and like what it meant for people to 466 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: age within domestic work, and yeah, so many of those things. 467 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm definitely grateful for her in her story. Yeah, 468 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: as you were talking about how she did so many 469 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: things within the community, all the things, I'm like, this 470 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: is such an intersectional level of advocacy that she was 471 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: already doing, and I think that's kind of that level 472 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: of just knowing that she truly cared about others in 473 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: the community. Again, maybe this is just me projecting, but 474 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: that's why it seems as she continued to open up 475 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: more projects too. I'm like, you did a what you 476 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: did a theater? Just on top of your advocacy for unions. 477 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, what for domestic work. That's a whole different level. 478 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: But that it seems like such a layered comment about 479 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: who she was as an individual and knowing that what 480 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: she wanted to do was better people's livelihoods beyond just 481 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: her own workplace, a community type of things, like it 482 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: needs to be an overall bigger thing and there needs 483 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: to be a massive change. Here's how I'm going to 484 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: do it individually. Yeah, and I think, I mean, this 485 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: is a bigger conversation. But we see this all the 486 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: time of these jobs that are essential to holding our 487 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: community together that have been primarily dominated by women, and 488 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: caretaking jobs in specific, and it's like weaponized against women, 489 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: like but you care, right, so you don't we don't 490 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: need to pay you because you're getting reward from like 491 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: caring for people. And this whole idea of if you 492 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: do care about something, it is hard to not do it, 493 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: especially if like people's well being in livelihood is on 494 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: the line, and for her to be like, we but 495 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: we're people too, and we need to be compensated and 496 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: recognized for the work we're doing. Um, Like, of course 497 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: we care, but that doesn't mean we should get paid. Yeah, 498 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: it's so frustrating to me. It's oftentimes weaponized, and we 499 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: see it again today again for domestic workers, but also teachers, 500 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: social workers. You're doing like I was told during I'm 501 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: so selfish when I've come back to mind, but I'm like, 502 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: this is what happened. I was in my industry as 503 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: a social worker, asking if we're gonna get a five 504 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: percent raise for our thirty five thousand dollar a year 505 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: salary for working sixty hours a week, and he was like, 506 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: your your raise. What you should be focused on is 507 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: helping the kids. That's what you're doing. And if you're 508 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: focusing on money, then you you should leave. And that 509 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: was our main leader. But that's the common thing that 510 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: happens oftentimes when we start questioning our value and say, wait, 511 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: we're worth more, then people who are making the money 512 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: aren't aren't doing this job. Start weaponizing your compassion and 513 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: empathy and they're like, why are you wanting money? Don't 514 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: you just steel fulfilled? And you're like, mm, well we 515 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: need to eat, need to Yeah, but I do. I 516 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: do love how so many times in these episodes, Uh, 517 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: we do with you, Eaves where it ends with this 518 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of lasting legacy. It ends with I've done this 519 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: work and I wanted to continue, like thinking of the 520 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: next generation. I just think that is a beautiful thing 521 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: to see. So yes, as always, thanks for bringing this story, 522 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: happy to bring it. Yes, um, and we can't wait 523 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: till next time. I hope your trip goes swimmingly. Yes. Um. Well, 524 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: where can the good listeners find you? Y'all can find 525 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: me on Instagram at not Aologizing, on Twitter at Eve 526 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: steff co. And many other episodes of Stuff Mom Never 527 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Told You talking about female first in history, and or 528 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: Eves jeff Cote dot com. 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