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Speaker 1: feels like an emergency podcast. I'm still on vacation. It's

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Speaker 1: Friday morning at about you know. I was in Turks

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Speaker 1: saying USC and UCLA were headed to the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: And my initial thought was great, because college football is

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Speaker 1: not right right now. It's in a seven year attendance

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Speaker 1: decline and TV rating decline. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear how everything's good. There's too many crappy games. Go

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Speaker 1: look at Labor Day weekend, this weekend, the week before

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Speaker 1: the NFL starts. There's not five watchable games. It's junk mail.

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Speaker 1: The sport needs more quality games. So holistically, I now

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Speaker 1: get USC, Ohio State, USC, Michigan, USC, Penn State, USC,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin US Michigan State. Those are bigger games. UCLA Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: not UCLA, Washington State, Ucla, Colorado, UCLA or A. College

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Speaker 1: football needs more great games. Golden Alabama schedule maybe three

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Speaker 1: games you have to watch and then seven to eight blowouts.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes the NFL so compelling week in week out,

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Speaker 1: not just the parody because we know college football will

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Speaker 1: if you're watching the Red Zone, Fox, CBS, Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night football. The games are competitive and there's just

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Speaker 1: for the sport, the improvement of Texas Oklahoma going to

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Speaker 1: the SEC, it's going to be more great games. Oklahoma, Alabama, Oklahoma, LSU, Texas, Georgia. Yes,

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Speaker 1: college football's pruning its tree and the very best are

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Speaker 1: quality Big ten schools calling. You're just talking about this

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Speaker 1: is good for TV. Yeah, Champ that's what's driving the sport.

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Speaker 1: But it's amateurism, so is the Olympics. What drives it? NBC?

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Speaker 1: Why does it end up in certain countries? Money. You're

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Speaker 1: makes any money. Wisconsin has thirty five sports, thirty one

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Speaker 1: for every athletic department of note in America. So this

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Speaker 1: is great holistically for the sport, more big games. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: is it good for the Big Ten. It's great for

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Speaker 1: the Big ten, USC and UCLA's basketball programs. Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Ula guys, we'll be back. Yeah, your parents can watch

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Speaker 1: this will becoming their annually. It's great for Big ten basketball,

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Speaker 1: it's great for Big ten football. It gives them the

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Speaker 1: It's also a big picture great for the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: They add two LAS schools, Ucla and USC. Is it

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Speaker 1: So they're going to drive far more revenue. It's also

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Speaker 1: NFL in town. So you have two new NFL teams. Remember,

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Speaker 1: more quality opponents. Guess what conference travels better than any other?

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Speaker 1: Big ten team and a Pac twelve team. The Pac

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Speaker 1: twelve simply hasn't held up its end of the bargain.

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Speaker 1: You can blame Larry Scott, the commissioner. The truth is,

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Speaker 1: we have more pro sports here. We got more things

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Speaker 1: big crowds in Norman, Oklahoma. That's what matters. Sooner football,

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Speaker 1: how many Blizzard Big Ten games you watch last year, folks?

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Speaker 1: A majority of college football is September October and done

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Speaker 1: You're gonna make mistakes, You're gonna get clawbered, but don't

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant made a mistake leaving Steph Curry and joining Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: He made a mistake three years in first round exits,

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Speaker 1: with goofy, Ben Simmons, an undependable Kyrie irving, Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: Durant's got another six years of elite basketball. No reason

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Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell has got a little Westbrook. But I think

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Speaker 1: a good defensive player. I think Donovan can play better

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Speaker 1: I think Mitchell works in Miami. Your thoughts, I think

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Speaker 1: he works great in Miami. And I would make once

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Speaker 1: the dust settles on Kevin Durant, I would make Miami

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Speaker 1: of players that I was talking about for Durant, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't work for the Nets. That might work

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Speaker 1: for Danny Ainge. In Utah. You can get Tyler Hero,

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Speaker 1: you can get Tyler Hero, presumably on a long term contract.

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Speaker 1: I was told that Tyler's deal is gonna be worked

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Speaker 1: out sometime in the next couple of days. With the Heat,

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Speaker 1: you can get him on a long term deal and

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Speaker 1: build around him with all the draft picks Miami can

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Speaker 1: can trade. Well. The Heat are in win now vote.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Mitchell can be a better defender.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to people in Utah, the one thing

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Speaker 1: they said was, Donovan Mitchell did not come into camp

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Speaker 1: this year or last year in the best of shape.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be in shaping to miad, you literally can't

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Speaker 1: play for Miami unless you are in you pass their

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Speaker 1: fitness tests and are in the kind of shape you

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Speaker 1: need to be in to play for the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 1: A better condition, Donovan Mitchell will be a better defender.

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Speaker 1: And if you're talking Kyle Lowry, Donovan Mitchell and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Butler on the perimeter, that's pretty damn good. And Mitchell

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Speaker 1: can contribute to point guard play as well, because he's

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Speaker 1: done some of that with Utah. I think Miami makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense for Donovan Mitchell, and I think

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Speaker 1: you'll start hearing more about a Mitchell trade once the

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Speaker 1: dust settles with Durant. All right, Chris Mannox a bit

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Speaker 1: of an emergency pod. We called him this morning. I

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Speaker 1: Kyrie to the Lakers, Kevin Durant, perhaps to Phoenix. It's fun.

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