1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Look at Our Radio is a radiophonic novela. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm theos fem. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: And I am ma la Munos. We're podcasting through another 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Trump election year. We've been podcasting through election years, a 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: global pandemic, civic unrest, political controversies, the Me Too movement, 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: the rise of TikTok, and we are still here. We're 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: not done telling stories. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: podcasting through a new decade of our lives. 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Since twenty sixteen, we've been making Loca to Our Radio 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: independently until we joined iHeartMedia's Michael Dura Network in twenty 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: twenty two. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: From our Lips to your ears, Fall in love with 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Loka to a radio like you never have before. 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Season nine. Love that first listen. 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: O Lao la Loka Motes. Welcome to season nine of 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Look at Dora Radio. 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm the Ossa and I am Mala. 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Lok at Dora Radio is a podcast dedicating to archiving 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: our present and shifting the culture forward. You're tuning in 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: to Capito. 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: Last time on Locata Radio. We launched season nine and 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: we interviewed Grammy Award winning artist Natalia La. 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: I am a business woman as well. 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: I realized that, like I can't run away from that fat. 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: Make sure you tune into that episode, leave us a 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: review and share with a friend. 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: So for today we are pivoting. We had a really 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: juicy episode scheduled which will still come out but next 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: week instead. But something I think I really love about 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: us and what we do here at lok at Dora 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: is that we pivot like really quickly, Like we recognize, 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: like okay, things cannot continue on business as usual when 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: we have to cover something very pressing. And so today 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: we're pivoting, and we're talking about the public demonstrations and 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: the protests that have been taking place across college campuses. 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: We are in a historic wave of anti genocide marches, demonstrations, 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: sit ins, encampments right at this moment, being led by 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: students across the country. And we're going to start with 41 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: a hyper local example that has been making the news 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: for all the wrong reasons. We're going to talk about 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: the University of Southern California USC and the way that 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: USC administration, in partnership with the LAPD, have been stifling 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: the voices of student protesters and have really been engaging 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: in a lot of fascist, repressive tactics. 47 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: I think we should touch on what started at Columbia, 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: because that really set the wave for the rest of 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the college campuses. At Columbia University in New York, students 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: created a gaza solidarity encampment and they were at a 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: university lawn and that led to a that led to suspensions, 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: and they were doing teachings, even did a satyr with 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: their fellow Jewish allies Jewish students, And this was all 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: at the tail end of the President of Columbia testifying 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: in front of Congress, and so it seems like it 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: was timed directly and intentionally for that when the president 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: would return, the President of Columbia would return to campus, 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: there was going to be a big protest. That's an 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: awful wave of solidarity protests at other campuses. It reached USC. 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: USC, I think is one of the most recent to 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: join in the public demonstrations and the setting up of encampments. 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: And I think that at USC, one of the triggering 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: factors was not only to join the wave of student protests, 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: but I think USC students pretty specifically were responding to 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: university sanctioned silencing and repression of a Muslim student, Na Tabusam, 66 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: who was elected chosen selected to be this year's US 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: valedictorian to become and she's an undergraduate. To become a 68 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: valedictorian at USC, there is a selection process, there's an 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: interview process. She essentially had to apply to be vetted. 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: She was stacked up against other students, and ultimately the 71 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: university chose her to be their valedictorian for the class 72 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. There is a little bit of 73 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: a gray area and confusion around what happened in the 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: days and weeks since USC selected Osna to be their valedictorian. 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: As I'm a USC student currently and we receive emails 76 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: and updates and things, and what we learned is that 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: the university rescinded Osna's option ability to speak at commencement, 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: which is like, the reason you become the valedictorian is 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: to speak at commencement, to be the class representative. You 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: are an outstanding student. The university and the student body 81 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: supports you and not only your academic pursuits, but you 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: as an individual to the point that you are chosen 83 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: to address your student body and family, friends and the 84 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: community at commencement. So Asna the university, after offering her 85 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: this role of valedictorian, decided that they were not going 86 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: to let her speak. And in the communications that we 87 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: received from the university, I feel like there was a 88 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: lot of coded language. It was discussions of campus safety vaguely, 89 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: and the safety and security of commencement and of the event. 90 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: There was no specific statement that a threat has been 91 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: made against Asna, our speaker, our valedictorian, or we have 92 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: received threats to the university. It was more like, in 93 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: anticipation of potential threats to campus, we are not allowing 94 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: our valedictorian to speak. Now important. Usna is a Muslim woman, 95 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: she is studying. One of her miners is a resistance 96 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: to genocide minor, So she definitely is socially conscious, socially aware. 97 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: She definitely has expressed herself on her own private social 98 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: media accounts and apparently one of the reasons why her 99 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: opportunity to speak at commencement was pulled because somebody went 100 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: and dug up posts that she had made on her 101 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: own personal social media accounts. 102 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: She had shared a link that was in support of Palestine, 103 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: and the way that it's being talked about is for 104 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: the quote destruction of Israel, which I think is she's 105 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: like purpose they're purposely misinterpreting the link that she posted, 106 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: and to my knowledge, it wasn't even actual like in 107 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: feed post. It's like someone went and looked at like 108 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: what links are like in her bio, but it's been 109 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: spun to be this anti Semitic sentiment feeling belief when 110 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: she has been calling for anti genocide. 111 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: And and something important. Again, this is a very young woman, 112 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: so she's graduating from undergrad. 113 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: She's probably twenty one. 114 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Probably twenty one, a major in biomedical engineering and her 115 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: minor in resistance to genocide. From what we know this, 116 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: she's not like a career activist. She's not like a speaker, 117 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: you know, she's not a journalist. She's a student. And seemingly, 118 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: overnight her name has been put out there into this 119 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: spotlight that I don't think that she wanted or was 120 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: looking for. The La Times did a write up about it, 121 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: Various outlets have picked up the story, and a lot 122 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: of folks have shown up online and now in person 123 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: in solidarity and in support of her. And of course 124 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: the people of Palestine. So this is the context in 125 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: which we find ourselves at USC last week. 126 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: Like the campus climate is that, like let Asna speak, 127 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: people are protecting free speech. I've seen former professors say, hey, 128 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: we might not entirely agree with her stances, but we 129 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: believe in the right to free speech. And this student, Asna, 130 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: had not even written her speech yet, so there were 131 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: a lot of assumptions and projections made against her. 132 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, it's quite possible that she would 133 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: have said nothing about Palestine in her commencement speech. We 134 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: have no way of knowing. And even if she were, so, 135 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: what she's allowed to speak and to speak her mind. 136 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: And especially at a university, these are supposed to be 137 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: supposed to be places, right that encourage study, thought, expression, outspokenness. 138 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: What have you? So USC joins the student body right, 139 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: joins this wave of student activism and is responding to 140 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: this very specific instance of the university silencing and repressing 141 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: a Muslim student who is an like an outstanding student. 142 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: If you're valedictorian can't speak. 143 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: It's like the highest door. 144 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: If you're valedictorian is not safe from repression. What hope 145 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: does anybody else have for expression, for free speech, for 146 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: standing up, for demonstrating. So this is what we're dealing 147 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: with that USC. So I was on campus last week 148 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: and we're in the middle of like study days, final exams. 149 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: The campus is getting ready for commencement right now. Last week, 150 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: on the twenty fourth, I was there around noon, and 151 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:13,479 Speaker 2: by noon, by twelve o'clock, there were already helicopters circling 152 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: the middle of campus. There was already an LAPD helicopter, 153 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: and the students who had begun demonstrating had not been 154 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: there even half a day. I was getting videos from THEOSA, 155 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: who was getting videos from others of like campus security 156 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: trying to tear down the encampments and getting rid of 157 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: tents and signs and such. I'm seeing the helicopters. There 158 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: were at least five helicopters. One was definitely an LAPD helicopter, 159 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: the others maybe news helicopters, I'm not sure. I went 160 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: over there to check it out and to do a 161 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 2: little documenting on my own, and I saw what you 162 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: would expect to see at a protest, is students protesting 163 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: and with signs and channing and maybe a loud speaker 164 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: people observing, and then people participating, folks of all ages, 165 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: and at a university, it's hard to say who's who. 166 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: You can assume most are students, some were definitely faculty, others, 167 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: community members, allies, folks who eventually showed up as the 168 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: day went on, because as the day continued, the university 169 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: like escalated things to a level that it didn't need 170 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: to get to. And of course, when that starts happening 171 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: and the LAPD is called and students are getting detained 172 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: and dragged, folks are putting out a call to action, 173 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: you know, come down to us in solidarity and in support. 174 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: And that's what happened, you know. So as the day 175 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: goes on, I'm seeing posts on Instagram, on the internet 176 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: calling for bodies come to campus because there's a police 177 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: presence here. Now eventually they shut down the campus and 178 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: you had to show a student ID if you wanted 179 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: to get in. They were ordering people in the center 180 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: of campus at Alumni Park to disperse, to get out 181 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: of there, or they were going to arrest everybody. I 182 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: ended up. I was working on a final project, so 183 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: I was in our post production editing lab, and that 184 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: lab is open every day until midnight. By seven o'clock 185 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: the campus had shut down. The riot police were on campus. 186 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: There are helicopters everywhere, and they shut down the labs 187 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: at seven. They were like, you guys need to be 188 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: out of here by seven fifteen. So then at that 189 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: point we're like, okay, how can we get home? What 190 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: streets are open? We don't want to walk by the 191 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: riot police. What's going on at all these other universities. 192 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: There was not necessarily outright support of the student body, 193 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: but they at least let them protest for a full 194 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: day before they went in and tried to drag people 195 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: out or arrest people. 196 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, April twenty fourth, USC students and organizers from 197 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: USC's Divest from Death began building out their liberated Zone 198 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: or what they were calling a liberated Zone at Alumni Park, 199 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: which is a central part of campus, and that began 200 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: at five am. The whole list of programming. My friend 201 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Sie Glali sent me the list of programming they had 202 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: scheduled for the whole day, and with the programming, they 203 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: also had been publicly displaying their list of demands, and 204 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: their list of demands is essentially to disclose. For USC 205 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: to disclose defend and divest from Israel. And what that 206 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: means is that investments made by the university goes to 207 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: weaponry that's made aircraft that is then sent to Israel, 208 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: and so that's where the divesting is coming from. And 209 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: because it's a private university, they don't technically have to 210 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: disclose how much it is where that funding is going. 211 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: And so that's what the students are asking for. They're 212 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: asking for more transparency. And they had their list of 213 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: demands which totaled to six things, and war profiteering and 214 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: investment in genocide, complete academic boycott of Israel, protect free 215 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: speech on campus and provide full amnesty to all students, 216 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: staff and faculty. Stop the displacement from South Central to Palestine, 217 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: no policing on campus, and end the silence on the 218 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: genocide in Palestine. So really asking the university like take 219 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: a stand, release a public statement. 220 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: And what was so fascinating too is a lot of 221 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: my fellow classmates were extremely shocked by what was happening. 222 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: But something that we know to be true is US 223 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: is not us, is not Berkeley, It's not Davis. It's 224 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: the University of Spoiled Children. That's what it's known for 225 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: it's private, it's exclusive, it's elite, and it's not known 226 00:14:51,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: for being a politically progressive place that that encourages dissidents, 227 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: that is like encouraging of protest in this way. And 228 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: they showed that the actions on the part of the 229 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: university were like very on brand in a very bad way, 230 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: and very on brand for the LAPD as well. And 231 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: there was a lot of like, oh, well, they're not 232 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: all students. I heard a lot of that, and we 233 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: really have no way of knowing who's a student and 234 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: who's not. These are thousands of students on campus, and 235 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: not every student looks the same. Not everyone is like 236 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: blonde hair, blue eyed, with boat shoes. 237 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: You know. 238 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: There were a lot of professors who were participating who 239 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: have resigned from their various posts at the university. There 240 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: are a number of professors who have put out statements 241 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: and writing in support of the student body and criticizing 242 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: there of the university and calling for the president to 243 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: step down. The university, though in the days since last Wednesday, 244 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: have gone so far as to like cancel all commencement speakers. 245 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: John Chu was going to like go and speak like 246 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: at the Cinematic Arts commencement. But because of the backlash 247 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: that the university has received because of their decision to 248 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: silent ASNA, the university, instead of i don't know, taking 249 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: the higher ground or reinstating her option to speak, have 250 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: said actually, no commencement speakers, no one speaking at all. 251 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: A commencement like the big general one has been canceled 252 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: and the smaller individual schools within the university will have 253 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: their commencements of sorts. But the university is just kind 254 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: of going full force with their decisions and doubling down. 255 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: And it's going to be interesting to see how things continue, 256 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: because protests at the university have continued since then. 257 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was super proud to see Annenburg faculty and 258 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: staff release a letter to the university in support of 259 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: not only ASNA speaking and how that was completely mishandled, 260 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: and also the students right to protest. And in addition, 261 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: one of my former mentors, Sandy Tolan, wrote an opinion 262 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: piece in the La Times and he basically laid out 263 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: how historically universities always blame outsiders, which I think is 264 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: what you're referencing too, of like, well, these aren't students 265 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: and so they'll blame outsiders as part of a justification 266 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: for police action just to quote him my university shameful 267 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: double speak threatens to taint promising careers before they start. 268 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: Professors arrested, including vulnerable untenured colleagues, may also face sanctions. 269 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: So of the ninety three arrested on Wednesday, April twenty fourth, 270 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: some of them were faculty and untenured, like Sandy stated. 271 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: And the untenured faculty across the board, including at the 272 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: School of Cinematic Arts, are they the art themselves in 273 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: their own struggles and boycotts and protests against the university 274 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: to try and acquire living to win livable wages for themselves. 275 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: So our adjunct faculty is yeah, very vulnerable, not making 276 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: ends meet, not getting paid enough, not receiving benefits. They're 277 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: in their own sort of political and labor struggles with USC. 278 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: And now on top of that, we have the political 279 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: struggle related to freedom of speech of the students, the 280 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: right to demonstrate, and the solidarity with the people of Palestine. 281 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: I think that there's been a lot of criticism of 282 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: the student protesters, and they are student protesters. The students 283 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: organized these demonstrations, they have led the demos, instruations they're 284 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 2: keeping them going. It's not outside agitators, it's the student. 285 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: It's enrolled students who pay tuition, who are in the 286 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: middle of finals and who are still trying to graduate 287 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: and get their work in while also really responding to 288 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: this kind of global call. 289 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 3: You know. 290 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 2: So a lot of those students have been criticized. Oh, 291 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: they deface Tommy Trojan. They spray painted on the Tommy 292 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: Trojan and they spray painted on the fountain, and you know, 293 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: they're they put up a tent in the middle of 294 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: the Alumni Park and they did this, and they did that, 295 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: and they did this, and they did that, and it's 296 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: all very petty, and I think it's all this sort 297 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: of way to avoid the topic at hand. 298 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when people get mad for protesters smashing windows, 299 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be okay. You know, the building is fine, 300 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Tommy Trojan is fine, like the issue at hand, And 301 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: I think exactly what you're saying, like, well, why are 302 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: the students pro testing? Like keep that question in mind, Well, 303 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: thirty four thousand Palestinians have been killed since October seventh, 304 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: Remember why the students are protesting? And the students are 305 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: fed up? Like everything we've been told to do has 306 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: not worked. Call your elected officials, nada, like all these things. 307 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: And not to say that those actions aren't important, but 308 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: I think the students in a way, campuses can be 309 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: these like safe havens where you can, you know, assemble 310 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: and you can have protests, usually without the threat of 311 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: police violence. And we've obviously seen that this time around 312 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: that has not been the case at many of these 313 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: college campuses. But protests at college campuses are not new. 314 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: We've been seeing that since the Civil Rights movement. We 315 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: saw it ten years ago when I was an undergrad 316 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: during the Occupy Wall Street like there were there have 317 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: been campus takeovers, campus protests for decades and decades, and 318 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: we will continue to see them. But remembering why the 319 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: students are protesting. 320 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: I am very curious to see if the president is 321 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: going to resign, because there's certainly calls from inside the 322 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: house and outside the house for her to resign because 323 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: of her handling of this situation. Yeah, and in undergrad 324 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: we were also protesting. The student organization was called Students 325 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: for Justice in Palestine as JP. Now it seems like 326 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: the name has shifted divest from death. 327 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: I think that one's us. 328 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: Specific, but the cause and the issue is the same. 329 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: We have a really incredible interview for you guys today. 330 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: And if you have been keeping up with the goings on, 331 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: you probably saw a viral clip going around on Instagram 332 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 2: from a USC parent who showed up to campus on 333 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: the day of the first set of protests last Wednesday 334 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: in support of his daughter, who is a student an undergrad, 335 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: and he was voicing his opinions about how proud he 336 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: was of his daughter for demonstrating and fighting in support 337 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: of Palestine. If you saw this clip, he talked about 338 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: how even if she got arrested, he would be proud 339 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: because of she's fighting for what she believes in. 340 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: We're really grateful to Lasato, a widow, for joining us today. 341 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: He is originally from Adiquipa, Peru, And when we saw 342 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: this video go viral, you know, if you're approving in 343 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: la you kind of know everybody. And so when my 344 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: friend Edith told me, Hey, I know that senor. He's amazing, 345 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: she offered to connect us. So I want to thank 346 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: her for connecting us, because he has been inundated with 347 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: messages of people trying to interview him and he's gone 348 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: on to do a couple interviews, so we're really grateful 349 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: that he is in studio with us today. 350 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: This is a. 351 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Spanish interview, you know, so we're asking questions both in 352 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: Spanish and English. He's answering in both Spanish and English. 353 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: So I think this is the perfect interview for you 354 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: to send to your family, for you to listen to 355 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: you with your family, because over the years we've talked 356 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: about how important these conversations are to have with our families, 357 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: how the changes at home, how multi generational intergenerational convos 358 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: are really important and impactful and can be long lasting. 359 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think he's a really great example of that. 360 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: So we're really excited to have him with us today. 361 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: But before that, we're going to go on a quick 362 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back soon. 363 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: Aidre cos we content. 364 00:23:51,800 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Lokekemos alostudiantes como latinos latinas latines demos vers familias. Not 365 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: this and not no cemetan esperi grous so no care 366 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: is not canno cannot problems university that policia use test 367 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: stantano the com alosijos alo studiante como stepunto vista. 368 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: Real minte la vidado, nostros not mocees clubs and nostros 369 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 4: mismos in which must minitcas still la prince or those groups. 370 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: The poet com penzar in I see no vemos in 371 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: electually that Cido, Sernando Miles and inos known amos la 372 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 4: vista gorda, the names kevlars and no demos clubs, yes, 373 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 4: kust opinion, Bathtilian or alien sevens, theos servian criticals malask 374 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: Stan Pasando actually da, the tod el mundo, tod wel mundo, 375 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: contrary ry tod mundo, Stapa sando and palestina asunkeno cidio 376 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: save no acept and c peroo cidio la comna v 377 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 4: and sue poka in sue poka umanos them starts simple 378 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 4: in contrad lass the call matanza called cano cio no 379 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: nostic import paris on the venga to so truth come on, 380 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: Jacomo Patri simpremi secos is being uni hus t c 381 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 4: and called calado tin kevlar put in calados, I mean 382 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: you see skills two as ito macan to thin port 383 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: a directoral al director p nalgo ke no solution alas 384 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: all lost padresaos and called Jussia. He is okay in 385 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 4: scos paramas or pressa pocomos caesta bien the cad suela 386 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: jai co c v yes jimps estava in contradio parami 387 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 4: elira yao studiante samad university that ria and contral comes 388 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: to group the amiga y amigos cos alunas pancartas piano 389 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 4: alfue too composo ya tam pollard uyoso the mimi SnO 390 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: pur came put in cool car b lordes umanos trata 391 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: colun and travistas trat the casius question. Really heso politicans 392 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: some sumanos. He commiserated, commo umanos, the bemos, the quid, 393 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: the bemos, the protected alos pueblos, the quair partro maani 394 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: that especial man primidal of polos indienst the castle el 395 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: pueblo indi and palestinius scado canestos guando. 396 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: Vel as not as in direct to the locus yea. 397 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: No man no yes cusavalida paraque abli the palestina paraque 398 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 4: stool pass paraquet poiando cecil alfeo tengo comou mano como 399 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 4: padre teng okay in cal carleso misicos he you perceived 400 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: now casia question of legardos parasolos padres, the bemos ture 401 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: connecchos sala saxionis balin mass em paavras p patris k 402 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 4: in coluso por medo called circustancias liquia negara susikos o 403 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 4: no not the mitas and las protestas pero losijos suciko's 404 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: being intros patris cojo case po poll las axionist, the 405 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: Mucha's personas kestine luceando camino josigo just to your prindo 406 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: much models studi anties is to muja PoCA on the 407 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 4: total scovinis and toylas university ades tinni podr the savir 408 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 4: case correct o case in correct to kees verda case 409 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: mintira la prince a, traditionally puna nor tesia mintirosa case 410 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: falsa pero who stays stelling to lamanos is sabing technologia, 411 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: Travis de la re soies internet who stays alcegundo Savida 412 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 4: was mintiassandol rez socialists los media alter nativos. 413 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: But in for Marce de la Berta. 414 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: Why did you decide to go to campus in person 415 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: to support your daughter and the protests? Was there a 416 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: safety concern? Did your daughter invite you? Did you decide 417 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: you wanted to be there yourself in person to participate? 418 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: How did how did you come to the decision to 419 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: show up. 420 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 4: Basically, everybody saw what happened on Columbus University, and I 421 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 4: was so frustrated in the United States and everywhere in 422 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: the world that a university campus has to be free 423 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: of policemen. No police, no military has business on the 424 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: on the university campus. So when I saw that on 425 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 4: Columbus University, says man in the unit, I stay supposedly 426 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: to be a freedom country where we have freedom of speech, everything, 427 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: and they are calling the authorities of the university are 428 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: calling the police to go inside and arrest the students 429 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: that they are peacefully protesting. That was insane for me, 430 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 4: says No, I got it doanting. So I learned that 431 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: most of the universities we're going to go into a 432 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 4: support Palestine. Yes, and I had that responsibility because I 433 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: know my daughter goes to us. Then the first choice 434 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 4: was go to USC. So that's the decision that I made. Basically, 435 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: thanks to the struggle to the fire of the Columbus 436 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 4: students Columbus University. Thanks to then, I think thanks to then, 437 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 4: to the decision that they made it to stand up 438 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: for Palestine. Is that most of the universities today are 439 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: raising the voice for Palestine. 440 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: Equanos test manassa vi truss padres or truths from familiarso 441 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: so kevio theriaud is. 442 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: A university amada enti including commi. 443 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: Part come. 444 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: Partalytic California qual persona camp Universitario, then Troy la ports 445 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: studientest pre camplieve the access of platos masons us in 446 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: Padre un Studio universitarian the mucha versus A participates in 447 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 4: on camping I comer comica com party you know camas 448 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: commis padres it all a familiar parcel started as taken 449 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 4: astra in university. That's okay, miss movie id a mircle 450 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 4: de las mana pasadas clos, studiantestestanda pacific amnes avia groups, 451 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: the studentes cantando a inclusive amelis persons, minories, ninos, festa jovens, 452 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 4: contambois cantando dando as a as a Palestina perion elfinde Heno, 453 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 4: perion al Fuego, Caumira, Peru, festa Novia, gum tibo, novien 454 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: in gum Peliro, Paracels, universitarias I and Tomadola de peder 455 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 4: re Poliicia. The Los Angeles elp Police, Benga al campus 456 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 4: are the premier russolament, premier intimidar am midas studi antist 457 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 4: not Restarlossa, parami cre albert Como Kila police and past 458 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 4: persona todos. You know that not having your campus Universitario Mintos, 459 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: the Pasi Copro taming and albo andandos. You know the 460 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 4: campus Universitadio Nasa Ristados. If we group the personas Lamia 461 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: Joe aa Papa just on the casino ananos por paraqui 462 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: todo U grupo the s s Guirla Manifestasio and Verson 463 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 4: Siero manifestos and tambi navi muchas padres e literal the 464 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 4: jove como la policia pelos studiantes, studientes par carrados Korean. 465 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: You look at. 466 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 4: Parandela policia in the pest the very group of the 467 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: balleen tesco and paramimi respetos veran there toto tolls or 468 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 4: not forqu Tomarola, the ken us, the cidero kear cia 469 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: in protesta no fenders with the ritual lives press. You 470 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: know pa defendre la campu Niversitario. It being paradefend there 471 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: like Palestina. It is zero restados, No the fendenda Palestina. 472 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 4: Jul Vitus Tito Joe mass Angola response when they say 473 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 4: momento ko canalestvis armentary stardo. 474 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: See this pose university. They must be studi antist when 475 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: this idea? Did you? 476 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: So? 477 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 2: At what point did you see campus police like intervening 478 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: with the students and how did it start, because I 479 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: think campus police came in and started to try and 480 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: disrupt the protest first and then the l A p 481 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: D came in. And I'm very curious about what you 482 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: saw and how it escalated security of. 483 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 4: The campus, A university police, the private police. They were 484 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: over there and they were they were around us, about 485 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 4: around all the students and they were trying to say 486 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 4: to anything or you don't go to some place. But 487 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 4: everything was okay. There was not too much here, no repression. 488 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: They were over there. So the parents that were there, 489 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 4: the kids, the students, We were doing what we were 490 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: supposed to do, protesting. Many people, many students that they 491 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 4: were doing videos to share it to show the rest 492 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 4: of the people, the rest of the world, what we 493 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 4: were doing over there. 494 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 3: But there was no violence at that point. The problem 495 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: is start when. 496 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 4: There was a commander, LAPD sergeant or something that came 497 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 4: and says, oh, no, you have to move up with 498 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 4: a with a loud boys, and the students says, no, 499 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 4: leave us alone. We are here protesting. This is our home. 500 00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 4: But somehow I learned hours later that they received an 501 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 4: order front or they okay from the university directors that 502 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 4: the police has to go inside. So they receive the okay, okay, 503 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 4: the police can come because we want all these people out. 504 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 4: And that's when the police start coming up. When the 505 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 4: police show start showing up, was really scary because they 506 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: they on their faces. This looks like they don't believe 507 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 4: in anything. 508 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 3: They are. 509 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 4: They were just pushing and they have like a some weapons, 510 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 4: but I have it's no letter weapons, but they have 511 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 4: some weapons. And when I saw coming many cars, many bands, 512 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 4: says okay, this is the moment that they're gonna start 513 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 4: arresting the people. When that chapter, the police, the police 514 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 4: helicopter start announcing, Okay, we are gonna if you don't 515 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 4: live in ten News, we're gonna be a you and 516 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 4: everybody has to go get up from the campus. And 517 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 4: that gave the students more energy to say, no, we 518 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 4: are going to stay here. This is our couse and 519 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 4: we're going to defend it. You were there and see 520 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 4: the students that the police were going after them, and 521 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 4: they say, no, we are y say we have a 522 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 4: peace protesting. We're protesting peacefully. You have to get out, 523 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 4: no US. But the police didn't care. They pushed all 524 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 4: the students and start chasing the students. And it's something 525 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 4: that you don't have to see in any country and 526 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 4: listen peace country that they supposedly. 527 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 3: We are a freedom country. 528 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: And for context for our listeners, the LAPD was on 529 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: campus and threatening arrest. It was really early. It was 530 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: early in the day. I mean, I don't think at 531 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: the USC protesters they were not there for even like 532 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 2: eight hours before the police, the riot police were called, 533 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 2: which is really wild because at all these other universities, 534 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: I think Vanderbilt, their encampment has been up for like 535 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: twenty eight days or something, and at USC it was 536 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 2: like less than ten hours before police were allowed on campus. 537 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 3: Everything was fast. 538 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 4: But since I was there in the morning, I had 539 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 4: a car with a Palestinian flag, and I was around 540 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 4: the university, and around the university there were police cars. 541 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 4: So it was surrounded by police. There were many chapters 542 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 4: and helicopters, and so they were waiting just for the 543 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 4: order of the president, the president of the university. Once 544 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 4: they get it, they didn't weigh nothing, They just went 545 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 4: and started doing their team. 546 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, by new the helicopters were up there by twelve noon. 547 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 2: And all this time when all of this is happening, 548 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: Are you with your daughter? Are you together? Was your 549 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: daughter separate from you? Tell tell us about how that worked, like, 550 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: did you have eyes on her? 551 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: Did she get arrested on all these hours that I 552 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: was there, because I was many hours. 553 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, since the morning. I got a chance to see 554 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 4: her two or three times. Yes, for a few seconds. 555 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 4: We say, oh how are you? Oh you were okay 556 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 4: because she she was having finals. You and thought she 557 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 4: was having finals and she has to give some cong 558 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 4: wark or something like that, and she was studying. 559 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 3: She told me. I tell you a younger studying. But 560 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 3: I finished this and I go back to the protest. 561 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 4: So she was with a computer studying there in the 562 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 4: park everything and the protest too, and a lot of 563 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 4: students they were with the laptop studying, doing their homework, 564 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 4: and Base sickly on the moment of the rest will 565 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 4: Low's contact and I started to try to call her, 566 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 4: and she did an answer. 567 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 3: She was at an answering and says, I saw her here. 568 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 3: I look around, but I didn't seek her. 569 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 4: And the first thing that come to my mind was 570 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 4: that she was gonna arrest it, and says, and I 571 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 4: put on my mind is if she get arrested, I 572 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 4: A'm gonna go with her. I don't care because as 573 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 4: a father, my daughter was teaching me a lot that day. 574 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 4: You have to be brave and you have to defend 575 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 4: what you believe in. And I didn't go with intentions 576 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 4: today to be arrested or anything like that. I just 577 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 4: went to because I've been going to other protests, march 578 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 4: like that, to super Palestine, to enter genocide. But just 579 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 4: thinking that your daughter, your that is doing that, and 580 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 4: a ton of students, a ton of students doing that, 581 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 4: defending what they believe and they were willing to be arrested. 582 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 4: Mentor gave me memories to when I was a student 583 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 4: and says the struggle that we're going that we had 584 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 4: forty fifty years ago. The new generation is doing the 585 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 4: same thing. But I have I am sure this generation 586 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 4: is going to change the world because this generation is 587 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 4: more informed, it's brave, it's not doesn't get intimidated easily. 588 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 4: See it's like in one day from Columbia University to 589 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 4: the rest of the country, and now there are others 590 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 4: in other countries universities are doing the same. From one university, 591 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 4: he's going to everywhere. And I to enestry problem my 592 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 4: daughter that she did that their friends that they were 593 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 4: there when they were arresting that that day all the 594 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 4: students I was filming every one I did. I had 595 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 4: a TikTok and I was doing a live video showing 596 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 4: all the all the students that they were arrested. And 597 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 4: so how the signal got cut off and I thought 598 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 4: I lose the signal. I tried to go inside against 599 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 4: TikTok to do another live video and I received a message, No, 600 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 4: you're banning for and you you cannot do live videos. 601 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 3: For until May. 602 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 2: Wow. 603 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,959 Speaker 4: So and a lot of the students that were they 604 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 4: were doing that that happened to them too, so and 605 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 4: even thought so the videos that squeezy around is the 606 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 4: videos that they were pro recorded, not some of them 607 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 4: not live videos, but they were banning many many accounts. 608 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,959 Speaker 4: When I saw I saw many girls like my girl, 609 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 4: and now you approached to them here wasn't here, said 610 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 4: maybe my girl is arrested. So he says, I have 611 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 4: to stay here. You're not gonna move from here. They 612 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 4: have to rest me. They're gonna arrest me. And always, 613 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 4: as a father, you don't want nothing bad happened to 614 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 4: your kids. It's an instant that we have and the 615 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 4: kids they don't want nothing to happen to their parents. 616 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: But we are ready for them when I talk to them, 617 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 4: if something happened to me, you don't have to You 618 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 4: have to keep on going, keep on fighting. 619 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 3: That's not the end. We have to keep on going. 620 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 4: Will be sad, or we will cry for a moment, 621 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 4: but we have to keep on going because what they were, 622 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 4: what they were, Everything that we are doing here on 623 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 4: the stage and everywhere is nothing, nothing comparing to the 624 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 4: things that are happening in Palestine nothing so any sacrifice 625 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 4: that we can do it. And I I make a 626 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 4: call to all the listeners that whatever you can do, 627 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 4: if you compare for the things for the software and 628 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 4: they are going in Palestine is nothing. And we the 629 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 4: last thing we have to do not to be afraid 630 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 4: and speak up and start speaking up more and more 631 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 4: and start telling the people that doesn't know or that 632 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 4: they are afraid that they can't speak up to. They 633 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 4: have to decide what's right or wrong. And we have 634 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 4: to defend always humanity. That's the main point here. 635 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 2: Be right back. 636 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: It comes off can controls. 637 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 3: Soup came not. 638 00:45:46,440 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 4: Yaada you make real yeah, alas a algunos studi antes 639 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 4: vilas commissars study antes mihro no your style yeah ye 640 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 4: man Camille stacai in in your campus. You know your 641 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 4: style to say partola amilia pula doo or wull you 642 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 4: come a party, maintain this. 643 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 3: Your pa. 644 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 4: Barbara, yeah, pro correct it all amidia style being contained 645 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 4: this day so pert so jos pequanos, I'm being no 646 00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:02,959 Speaker 4: is correct lost pay you the puest sa puestos common 647 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 4: parents signs, stec machinasos and palestina werfens com commass and 648 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 4: tiller sat e particos il sabin no k coutarist no 649 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 4: pork car bi tantabos, policias se mass persona a s sina, 650 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 4: the masts and squilla Vio mascots much ambividoto and squails 651 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 4: and regards to sab and the toys has caused us 652 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 4: to stardio cult really window Palestina ms correctors tink to 653 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 4: Marconi is the Moonings Claroka general cos the plus y 654 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 4: tromar port ma como padres ya wu persona MAJORI begunnos 655 00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:05,280 Speaker 4: bidos the Palestina, the squerpos practical medolado Loni, los padres 656 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 4: and Toronto partitas, the sus babs videos on the los 657 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 4: bulldoz madrisqui stanties. 658 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 3: Can contral. 659 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 4: Palestinos benas manos a trase congressposas if we're cribados combalas 660 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 4: saberto is as cosas Yeah no not. 661 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 3: The par effect miss Maner can be affected. 662 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 4: Pat aera CiCi ilgo p romeno. 663 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 3: They go, Okay, you say your crist miter in cera. 664 00:48:52,560 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 4: Boy in sernando a personavlara is my mid manera you 665 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 4: do com sicos minina la minor a yeah jah nother 666 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 4: time okay, still calls ja Java cos Palestina, couela, Yeah, 667 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 4: toto ya Palestina the city city and it appearing u 668 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 4: to Kevin the sukhu la mayor, Jev Munyaki, Yes, Jeva 669 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 4: su san diem taking poor weather melo loeva lets plaice 670 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 4: casefico colorist vla Sandiya. So yeah, time for commas is 671 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 4: los mit your toldo los mica al suela the boy 672 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 4: comed Cao free Palestine, casuandra com muchos pisunac photo la 673 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 4: pass as consas so mostra gestamos in Palestina, Palestina, caro. 674 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 3: Familiaries is maner is mass. 675 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 4: It's almost cada mask almost mass Palestina. Kiamo fin del fuego. 676 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 2: With that context and everything you just described about the 677 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 2: atrocities taking place in Palestine, what do you say to 678 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 2: the people who criticize the student protesters, Oh, they spray 679 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 2: painted on the Tommy Trojan statue, and oh they were 680 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 2: cursing at the police officers, or oh they threw a 681 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 2: water bottle or they stuck their middle finger up. Because 682 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 2: a lot of that type of criticism is going on 683 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 2: out there, and I think also from the president of 684 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 2: the university and the administration interrupting the flow of campus activities. 685 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 2: But in light of the atrocities you just described in Gaza, 686 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 2: what do you say to those types of criticisms. 687 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 3: That's a joke. That's a joke for me. It's a. 688 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 4: How you're gonna compare if they eat those people that 689 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 4: are criticizing what the students are doing, if they have 690 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 4: a little humanity in their car, they will be ashamed 691 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 4: to do. 692 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,720 Speaker 3: Those those accusations. 693 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 4: Whatever the students do, anything they can, whatever, there's nothing 694 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 4: comparing for. 695 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 3: With what is happening right now in Palestine. 696 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 4: It's nothing they are complaining about a graffiti to they 697 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 4: try to put it, or that some kids they try 698 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 4: to paint on the floor free Palestine with some criers, 699 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 4: and that doesn't compare with what's happening over there. An 700 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 4: It's like, I feel like insulted because they were supposed 701 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 4: to be the first ones who speak up and teach 702 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 4: the students to be against what's happening in Palestine. They 703 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 4: are supposed to be the main speakers to get peace. 704 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:38,800 Speaker 4: Because if you, as the president of the university, you 705 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 4: don't care about the freedom of thinking of the students. 706 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 4: And if you don't care about peace, you are over there. Yes, 707 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 4: for your money, for your pocket or whatever reason, but 708 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 4: not for the good will of the students. Because the 709 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 4: students have to be free thinkers. They have to decide 710 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 4: what you do in life. Nobody has to push them 711 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 4: or dictate. Oh you have to think this way. If 712 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 4: you want to get a good job, you have to 713 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 4: think this. 714 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 3: Goit. 715 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 4: No, every single human being is unique and we have 716 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,160 Speaker 4: to be free always to think. But they are not 717 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 4: going to buy the conscience of the students. And right 718 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 4: now they are trying to buy the conscience of the 719 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 4: students by threatening the students, by telling them, hey, don't 720 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 4: do this. Oh it's okay to support is weel, But 721 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 4: it's not okay to super Palestine. No, that's not right. 722 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 4: So we have to be straight up to that. Never 723 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 4: get intimidated. Never you don't look the little point over here. 724 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 4: When over there there are rivers of blood over here, 725 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 4: they trying to complain. Oh, they throw a barrel on 726 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 4: the head of somebody. 727 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 3: So what Right. 728 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,360 Speaker 4: Over there there are thousands of thousands of kids that 729 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 4: has been assassinated brutally. That that's worse than a I. 730 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 4: For me, I know what's a genocide, but when I 731 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 4: see these videos, that's worse than a genocide. I don't 732 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 4: want to leave good on this country with my hands 733 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 4: with blood, knowing that whatever we can have here, all 734 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 4: the commodities that we can have here, is thanks to that. 735 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 4: The government is killing thousands of thousands of people abroad 736 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 4: in other countries. Just a week, that happened Palestine, that 737 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 4: happened before in Iraq. So the list goes on and 738 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 4: on and for me right now, the direct responsible of 739 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 4: this genocide is the United States government because they're sending 740 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 4: millions and millions and millions of dollars to your United 741 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 4: States government is guilty too because with our money. That's 742 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 4: why the people is protesting. With our money, that money 743 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 4: has to be used kid in the States. We have 744 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 4: so much need over here that if we used a 745 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 4: portion of that money, many problems will be solved on 746 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 4: the States. 747 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 2: And this was one of the demands of the student 748 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 2: protesters that us see divest, divest from Israel and from 749 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 2: the war machine and from the genocide machine. It's a 750 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 2: huge issue that's been going on since before we were born. 751 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 2: I think that's important to talk about as well. This 752 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 2: is an ongoing conflict, genocide, and students have always protested 753 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 2: and risen up and led the charge, and people have 754 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 2: always criticized students at every turn and at every occasion. 755 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 2: And I think that history is going to look back 756 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 2: very kindly at the students, and there's going to be 757 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 2: a lot of criticism towards the universities who participated in 758 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,720 Speaker 2: this repression. So yeah, thank you so much for sharing 759 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 2: your perspective and your reasons for being there and your 760 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 2: insights with your daughter and everything that you saw on 761 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 2: campus last week. 762 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 4: I really appreciate your invitation. And never give up, Never 763 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,240 Speaker 4: give up on this file. The struggle is not since 764 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 4: October seventh. This struggle is since I remember, since I 765 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 4: was a kid, my father used to teach me about Palestine. 766 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 4: So this is going on for generation, since the last century. 767 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 4: So we have to keep on speaking up, never be silenced, 768 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 4: don't be afraid, don't let nobody by your conscience do 769 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 4: that right thing, Always do that right thing. 770 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,479 Speaker 3: Grasses at Us. 771 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: Look at a Radio is executive produced by the os 772 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,240 Speaker 1: FM and Mala Munios. 773 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,359 Speaker 2: Creative direction by Me Mala. 774 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: Story editing by Me Diosa. 775 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 2: You can listen to look at Radio on the iHeartRadio 776 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 2: app or wherever you get your podcasts. 777 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,439 Speaker 1: Look at Radio is a part of iHeartRadio's Michael Dura 778 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 1: podcast Network. 779 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 2: And thank you to our local motives, to our listeners 780 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 2: for tuning in each and every week. 781 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,240 Speaker 1: Leave us a review and share with your Prima or 782 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: share with your homegirl 783 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 3: Loka Lumi