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Speaker 2: College football is right around the corner, which means more

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Speaker 2: same conclusion that we've had for several months. If you

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Speaker 2: think that college football is dying, you're probably just not

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Speaker 2: the audience for it right now. So Buck and Fitz

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: We're still working on Buck rising. He is feverishly sitting

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Speaker 2: Buck just gets to sit there and get really frustrated

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Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful, beautiful thing. But we will keep

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Speaker 2: efforting Bucks. He at least, I mean, he's sitting in

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that can happen.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, sec media days are going on, and

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Speaker 2: my timeline is aslutely exploded and follow me by the

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Speaker 2: way at Jason fitz Fits easy to find me everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Timeline explodes constantly with college football dying, this is the

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Speaker 2: And you know a lot of that actually comes from

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Speaker 1: It, Like that doesn't exist. This is the same exact

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Speaker 2: All these people that are looking around and saying, well,

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Speaker 1: So at some point you either you have two choices.

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Speaker 2: So you have two choices at that point. You can

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Speaker 2: Now the number of times we all sit there and

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Speaker 2: never watching college football again. Sure you aren't. And when

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Speaker 2: It is okay if Middle Tennessee State University chooses not

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Speaker 2: Struggle because right now there is no sheriff. Since there's

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, all of us covering it, all

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Speaker 1: All right, so what now what?

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Speaker 1: So what now what? Okay, so the game's changed, So

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Speaker 1: This is straight WWE from the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Now I hear him. No, damn it, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Somebody acknowledge that I'm here other than on FaceTime Fitcy.

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Speaker 3: I swear to God, I didn't sleep in this morning.

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Speaker 1: I am so so sorry.

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Speaker 1: How we living.

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, we've missed you over the course of the

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Speaker 2: Shut it down, Shut it all down, and I will

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Speaker 2: echo your sentiments. By the way, while producing this show

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Speaker 2: Really miracle, incredible work by them and wildly good. I'm

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Speaker 2: At the spot where I'm like, Okay, it's going to

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Speaker 1: What if I told you.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, Buck's living in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: So I say this with some level of understanding that

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Speaker 1: They're replaceable.

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Speaker 3: I cover the Tennessee Titans, and I don't like college

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Speaker 1: I don't want that water down.

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Speaker 3: I don't want those people to think that they don't matter,

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Speaker 1: They are not replaceable. You're wrong on that. Here's the thing, though,

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Speaker 2: Like Alabama fans are still going to be there because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are because their passion is not gonna go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna get left behind in this process? It's not

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin's gonna be fine. It's it's not gonna be Big

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Speaker 2: ten or SEC schools.

445
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be New Mexico State. And you know who

446
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 1: doesn't matter? New Mexico State.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like, as I've said a million times, living

448
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: in Connecticut, like Connecticut football, Sorry, guys, doesn't matter to

449
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 2: most people, right UNLV.

450
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Speaker 1: I grew up in Vegas. I grew up a massive

451
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Speaker 1: UNLV fan. You U NLV.

452
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Speaker 2: If UNLV football shut down tomorrow, how many people would

453
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Speaker 2: actually be that hurt about it?

454
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Speaker 1: What the thirty thirty.

455
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Speaker 2: Thousand they I think they've just set a team record

456
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Speaker 2: of thirty thousand season ticket sales. So like, okay, if

457
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Speaker 2: you've got to lose those thirty thousand to figure out

458
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Speaker 2: a way to make sure that we get the best

459
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Speaker 2: version of the forty or fifty schools that can actually hang,

460
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Speaker 2: then fine. Everybody else is just hanging Chad, that's old

461
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: voting vote for you like hanging Chad. That's what everybody

462
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Speaker 2: else is hanging to everybody else is just they're just slop.

463
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Speaker 2: Let's just let them go. They go where they go,

464
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Speaker 2: like if you can't. If the rest of the schools

465
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Speaker 2: want to play in their own sandbox, they can find

466
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Speaker 2: a way to do it. But at the end of

467
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Speaker 2: the day, how many people sit here and cry about

468
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Speaker 2: whether or not University Wisconsin Whitewater gets what they need

469
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Speaker 2: for Division III football?

470
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Speaker 1: The answer is none.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that Oregon State really matters to most

472
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Speaker 2: of the world more than University of Wisconsin Whitewater.

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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying, and that's probably the direction

474
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Speaker 3: that we're heading. And these things may be inevitable, but

475
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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that I have to like them. It

476
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that everybody else who is I mean, some

477
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Speaker 3: of it is FITZI. I'll say grandstanding, because the people

478
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Speaker 3: who are fighting for the traditions or as much of

479
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Speaker 3: the traditions in college football to continue to hold serve

480
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Speaker 3: into the next generation of it are not the people

481
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Speaker 3: who are consuming UNLV or Wisconsin Whitewater or any of

482
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Speaker 3: these other smaller programs that you name. My curiosity then

483
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Speaker 3: would move towards well, how does that impact people's ability

484
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Speaker 3: if you go to one of these smaller schools and

485
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Speaker 3: you get relegated to a different version of football and

486
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Speaker 3: wherever that football ends up being broadcast or televised, whatever

487
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Speaker 3: the case may be, does that impact guys who are

488
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Speaker 3: playing at those universities their opportunity to get recognition, to

489
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Speaker 3: be on national television because they're playing cupcake type of

490
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Speaker 3: games against the Alabama, Tennessee, Ohio states of the world.

491
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Speaker 3: Does that impact their ability to get recognized by pro

492
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Speaker 3: scouts and as it relates to getting to the next

493
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Speaker 3: level of football. There are ripple effects here, and maybe

494
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Speaker 3: they're not as important as the people who are I

495
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Speaker 3: mean wailing and gnashing over them, because I will tell

496
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Speaker 3: you there is nothing more unpopular down here in the

497
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Speaker 3: Southeast than all of the changes that have happened to

498
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Speaker 3: college football. And yet it's still going to be infinitely

499
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Speaker 3: more popular here than even the NFL. America's most popular sport.

500
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Speaker 3: Does not matter in the state of Tennessee. Hell, you

501
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: can't even get that they're called the Tennessee Titans here.

502
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Speaker 3: Two thirds of the state doesn't want anything to do

503
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Speaker 3: with them. East Tennessee is pissed off because they don't

504
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Speaker 3: think the Titans should use the name Tennessee because it's

505
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Speaker 3: the Tennessee Valls right, and Memphis West Tennessee. It's Grizzlies,

506
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: it's cowboys. That's all they care about. So for the

507
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Speaker 3: people down here that are fighting the hardest for it,

508
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Speaker 3: they are the ones who you're talking about who are

509
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Speaker 3: going to be the least affected by it. But they

510
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Speaker 3: actually have a platform to be able to try and

511
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Speaker 3: evoke change or at least make themselves known on behalf

512
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Speaker 3: of those who don't want to be relegated FITSI and

513
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: I and they may not have a choice, and it

514
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: may not matter, and it may all be fine and

515
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: dandy as we move into the future evolutions of what

516
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: college football and college athletics are going to continue to

517
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Speaker 3: change into. But I just I nothing, nothing bothers me more.

518
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Speaker 3: I think it's the thing that you I think it's

519
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Speaker 3: the thing that's pissed me off the most that you've

520
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Speaker 3: ever said into a microphone, the idea that these people

521
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Speaker 3: are just outright replaceable and in your words.

522
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Speaker 1: Slop now they are.

523
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many people are gonna lose your right

524
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Speaker 2: They're gonna be kids that are impacted.

525
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Speaker 1: Well, what if I like the slop football like I

526
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Speaker 1: mean I like, you get to watch it. You get

527
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Speaker 1: to watch it like Liberty can continue to have on

528
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Speaker 1: Apple TV.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna make it harder on me to find these

530
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Speaker 3: games instead of having maction as a part of the

531
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Speaker 3: ESPN thing on a Tuesday night.

532
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Speaker 2: Yes, if Miami of Ohio no longer has a Division

533
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Speaker 2: I football team and you got to hunt hunt it

534
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Speaker 2: down on Thursday nights, oh well, if you want to

535
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: hunt it down, you can hunt it down. And yes,

536
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: they're gonna be kids that lose scholarships. For every kid

537
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: that loses a scholarship and loses an opportunity, we got

538
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Speaker 2: to ask ourselves, what about at some point, what do

539
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Speaker 2: we care about?

540
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Speaker 1: Right right? If we end up with the super.

541
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Speaker 2: Conference that's sixty teams instead of having the current whatever

542
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Speaker 2: one hundred and.

543
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Speaker 1: Thirty two teams.

544
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Speaker 2: If we end up with sixty teams in a superconference,

545
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Speaker 2: those kids on those sixty teams have a much better

546
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Speaker 2: shot of being properly you know, properly paid for what

547
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Speaker 2: they're doing. They have the opportunity to have proper earning.

548
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: And everybody's sitting here saying, well, we're worried about the kids.

549
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Speaker 2: That's just the most disingenuous from ninety percent of the people.

550
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Speaker 1: That is such a BS argument.

551
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Speaker 2: If somebody's sitting in Alabama's like, well, I'm worried about

552
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about the kids.

553
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: No, you're not.

554
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Speaker 2: You're worried about whether Alabama or Auburn is going to

555
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Speaker 2: win a national title. That's all you care about. And

556
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: the Alabama's and the Auburns will eventually conform to all

557
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Speaker 2: of this and figure out how to thrive in all

558
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Speaker 2: of this. The people that are like we just we

559
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Speaker 2: pretend care so much as a society, I don't think

560
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Speaker 2: the majority of the world would even notice if again,

561
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: to go to a local area. For you, if MTSU

562
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Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee State University no longer had football, I don't

563
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Speaker 2: think ninety eight percent of college football fans would even.

564
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Speaker 1: Know what happened. And so at some point, you know,

565
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Speaker 1: it's a doggy dog world, like you're either you're either

566
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Speaker 1: playing amongst.

567
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Speaker 2: The elite or you're not. And if you're not playing

568
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Speaker 2: amongst the elite, like just like nobody sits here and

569
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: worries about whether Wisconsin Whitewater kid gets a scholarship. The

570
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: answer is that most of them don't, like they don't

571
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Speaker 2: get Division three scholarships. Why are we suddenly that's the line.

572
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Speaker 2: We just don't want the rest of Division one to

573
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Speaker 2: be impacted? Or are we going to pretend that we

574
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Speaker 2: really care about the rest of the athletes that are

575
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Speaker 2: impacted by this? We don't. We don't we care about

576
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Speaker 2: whether or not our top thirty or forty teams are

577
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Speaker 2: all top thirty or forty teams.

578
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Speaker 3: Well, and you may be true, or you may be

579
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: right about the vast majority of people. You are right

580
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Speaker 3: about the vast majority of people. I will acknowledge that,

581
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Speaker 3: even though it bothers make But like as speaking for

582
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Speaker 3: somebody who I mean, I think I genuinely do care.

583
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Speaker 3: And maybe I'm not seeking out every MTSU game, or

584
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: every Western Kentucky game, or every I mean hell, Indiana football,

585
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: my alma mater. They were in the College Football Playoff

586
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: FITZI this year. I couldn't I couldn't name three Indiana

587
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: football players.

588
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Speaker 1: And Curtis Rhurt got drafted this year. You know what

589
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying?

590
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: Like they have never mattered in my life, in my

591
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: entire life. We used to go to those games, We

592
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: used to tailgate those games. Rather not go to those

593
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: games and do exactly what you're talking about, go home

594
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: and watch the SEC or Notre Dame play, because that's

595
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: where the real college football is. But my biggest point

596
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: of protest, and I'm sure I'm in the minority of

597
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: like people who are actually pissed about this, is that

598
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: college football is not supposed to be for the elite.

599
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be just for the elite. College

600
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: football is supposed to be a more inclusive environment. It

601
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: gives us great stories about players who work their way

602
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: up through programs, especially now with the ability to transfer

603
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: and have success at a lower level and then create

604
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: your next phase of your career. Cam Ward going from

605
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: Incarnate Word to Washington State to Miami and all the

606
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: different difficulties that formed him into one of the most

607
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: unconventional number one overall picks I've ever seen. I don't

608
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: know how many of those stories we're willing to just

609
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: cast aside if we make the pool even smaller and

610
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: make college football more for the elites. Because the thing

611
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: that college football fans would all protest against, and no

612
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 3: matter what level of college football that you're talking about.

613
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: No matter what part of the country that you go

614
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: to where they are actually passionate about college football is

615
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: they would push back on the idea of it being

616
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Speaker 3: considered for the elite in any stretch of the world.

617
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Especially the SEC is elite. The SEC is.

618
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Speaker 3: The best conference in college football. And if you attach

619
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Speaker 3: elite to the SEC, their fan base is gonna recoil

620
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Speaker 3: just because of how they naturally view that term and

621
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: that word.

622
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Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be exclusive. It's supposed to be

623
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Speaker 1: more inclusive. Yeah, but where's the line?

624
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Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz By the way, We're

625
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: in for two pros and a cup of Joe.

626
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Where's where's the line?

627
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: Like, because I hear what you're saying, But do you

628
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: really believe like as much as a let's say, mid level,

629
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 2: mid level team in the SEC might might listen to this,

630
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: and and that fan base says, oh my god, like Auburn,

631
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: Auburn's gonna look at it and say college football is

632
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: for everybody.

633
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I called that. You just called them.

634
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: Well from the performance on the field, Auburn's Auburn's gonna

635
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: sit here and be like golf game.

636
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, like this, this makes no sense.

637
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: How many Auburn fans are genuinely worried about whether the

638
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: University of main football team gets to thrive?

639
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: Like this is this is what we do in society

640
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: all the time.

641
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: The number of times it's like, well, you know, we

642
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: got to go after the rich.

643
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: Make sure that the rich pay their fair share? Okay, cool?

644
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Who defines what riches?

645
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Like that's just a standard and follow up question to me, Like,

646
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: because certainly somebody that is able to have a house

647
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: seems rich to somebody that's homeless, And somebody that's able

648
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: to have a go on a vacation seems rich to

649
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: somebody that can barely afford a house. Somebody like me

650
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: that grew up on government cheese in one box of

651
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 2: mac and cheese to split for the family today, Like

652
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: everybody was rich compared to me growing up, So like,

653
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: what's rich? I would ask college football the same thing.

654
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Where's the line in relevance? Because I do not believe

655
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: that you know that Texas is worried about North Texas.

656
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't believe that.

657
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: Again, I'll use New Mexico state as a good Utah state, Like,

658
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: how many SEC fans are sitting here saying we've got

659
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: to do what's fair for college football because I want

660
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: to make sure that the fans of Utah State are

661
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: not left behind. Like that doesn't that doesn't exist. Everybody.

662
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Everybody claims they're worried about this bort as a whole,

663
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: they're worried about their own team.

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Speaker 3: You are, again, I don't disagree with the vast majority

665
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Speaker 3: of what you're arguing just because you're you're just because

666
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Speaker 3: that is the feeling that most people actually have, like

667
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: the genuine feeling that most people actually have.

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Speaker 1: My point is it doesn't make it right. Like I

669
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Speaker 1: get you.

670
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Speaker 3: You can be correct about these things and self interest

671
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: winning out over everything else, because that's basically what you're

672
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: advocating for here, and by the way, what is probably

673
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: going to bear itself out. But my whole contention is

674
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Speaker 3: that doesn't make it right. And I know that's not

675
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: gonna be a popular argument. And I know I'm gonna,

676
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna fight this fight with

677
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Speaker 3: as I sink into the sea shaking a fist above

678
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: and I'll lose every time, but damn it, I'm not

679
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: gonna go out quietly that way. And I don't think

680
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: the college football fans in every part of the country

681
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: where they love these things and they appreciate these things,

682
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: and they genuinely do want those opportunities for these players supported.

683
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: Because there are people out there fits the vast majority

684
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: of the country and the vast majority of the consumers

685
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: are going to be self interested that way. But for

686
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: those people that are out here fighting a good fight,

687
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Speaker 3: I don't want them just cast aside and saying you

688
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: don't matter here anymore.

689
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Speaker 1: It's wrong.

690
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Speaker 2: You're right, Okay, you're right about that. Yeah, what I want.

691
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: What I want are those people that we're talking about

692
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: to stop yelling about the changes in the sport and

693
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 2: start instead putting that same energy into solving how they

694
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Speaker 2: can be competitive in the current landscape.

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Speaker 1: Sure, that's the you know the it's a great example.

696
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Speaker 3: Not to cut you off here, but for example, the

697
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: EA College Football game is out. I don't know if

698
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: you're a video game player, but I can't the three

699
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: guys that work on my local show, I can't get

700
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: them off the damn video game to do anything productive.

701
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Speaker 3: Delaware has just moved into FBS. That's their first season

702
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Speaker 3: in FBS.

703
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Speaker 1: Football.

704
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Speaker 3: And they've had pro prospects, right. I mean, they've had

705
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco go on and be a Super Bowl MVP.

706
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Speaker 3: They've had other players come out of Delaware and then

707
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: been a high level FCS program. They move to a

708
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: FPS and they realize, Yeah, we're going to be up

709
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: against it here. We need every opportunity to try and

710
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: recoup or or gain resources as we try to find

711
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: ways to be more competitive in this landscape EA college football.

712
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: If you play with a certain university or a certain

713
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: program in dynasty mode, that program stands to make money

714
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: based on the amount of people that in the game

715
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: plays that program. Delaware is giving away sweet nights at

716
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Speaker 3: actual football games for people who go out of their

717
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: way to play with the Delaware Blue Hens and win

718
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Speaker 3: the national championship.

719
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Speaker 1: That's the kind of creativity.

720
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Speaker 3: And maybe you know, it ends up being ten grand,

721
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Speaker 3: twenty grand, a drop in the bucket for most of

722
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Speaker 3: those programs. For a place like Delaware, it makes a difference.

723
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Speaker 3: And I think you are going to see that creativity

724
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Speaker 3: born of the less than ideal circumstances that the current

725
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: college athletics landscape is getting ready to create. If it

726
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Speaker 3: hasn't already created it. Sorry to interrupt you.

727
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Speaker 2: No, you're a thousand percent right, By the way, I

728
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 2: haven't played the new one last year. I still I

729
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: just wonder if they've figured out Ohio State telling you

730
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who you played, as you could not.

731
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Speaker 1: Beat Ohio State in the last game.

732
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Speaker 2: That being said, you're right, I think there's smart ways

733
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: to do it. And there's a group of fans that

734
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about right now that I think could

735
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: be stuck. And this is the hardest part of college

736
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: football in the future where the sports had We'll tell

737
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Speaker 2: you about it next. He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz.

738
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: We're hanging out for two pros and a cup of

739
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: Joe on Fox Sports Radio.

740
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

741
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742
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743
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744
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Speaker 2: I got people mad at me, Buck, Buck Rising, Jason

745
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: Fitz bucking fits talking over two prosoe, I'm just being honest,

746
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: So Insino Jupiter.

747
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: Scottie d says government cheese. That's rich bro.

748
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: So what happens to the NDSU and the Missouri Valley

749
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Conference teams.

750
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Speaker 1: Are they stopping do better? Again?

751
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: The answer here is the majority of the audience just

752
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: doesn't care. I mean that I don't understand why that.

753
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh, it's such a hard thing.

754
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: It's such a hard thing for people to come to

755
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: terms with, though, Fitzie, Like, nobody wants to hear that

756
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: they don't matter no matter who you are, what you do,

757
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: and how small or how big your profile is, and

758
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: whatever your line of work is. Nobody, nobody wants to

759
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: be told that the rest of the world doesn't care

760
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: about them, even if they know it's true.

761
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, nobody watching me that

762
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Speaker 1: I was.

763
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: With game Day and traveled with game Day to go

764
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: to North Kota State South Kota.

765
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I went to that Rivalryhaim. It was awesome.

766
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: Like schools can continue to play however they want to.

767
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: If you're a Missouri Valley Conference team and you want

768
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Speaker 2: to keep playing, then you start your own conference, You

769
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: start your own group of people. Just again, I keep

770
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: using Wisconsin Whitewater Lancelot pulled the head coach of Kansas.

771
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: I've known for twenty years. He's a good friend. He

772
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: was the head coach of Wisconsin Whitewater. I am the

773
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: one person in the world that has a Wisconsin Whitewater jersey.

774
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: I have a Wisconsin Whitewater jersey. The coach gave me

775
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: all the way back when he was coming out to

776
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: shows that I was playing out in that area, Like, look,

777
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: nobody's sitting here.

778
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen in Wisconsin Whitewater.

779
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: They're a Division three team, right, So the teams that

780
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: are left sort of on the side.

781
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: At some point, you're just left on the side.

782
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 2: Like, I hate to break it to you, but most

783
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Missouri Valley Conference champion teams aren't competing for a championship anyway.

784
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: So if you love your favorite team again, I'll use

785
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: the UNLV reference.

786
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: If you love UNLV, keep watching UNLV. They just might

787
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: not be playing in the same.

788
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: Level of college football anymore as the teams that are

789
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: making a ton of money. I don't think those are

790
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: the hard The Missouri Valley Conference ones are the easy ones.

791
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna get left off to the side.

792
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just the world, Like I mean, that's just

793
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: the world that we live in. My bigger question is

794
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: what happens to the middle road, the middle class teams

795
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: in some of the big conferences, Like you mentioned that

796
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Indiana is your alma mater, Like what happens to Indiana football,

797
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: what happens to Purdue football, what happens.

798
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: To sort of?

799
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Vandy probably monetarily can figure it out.

800
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: But like you look around and if we end up

801
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: with this, you know, salary cap system and collective bargaining

802
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: and all of these things. I think the tougher thing

803
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: isn't what happens to the Missouri Missouri Valley Conference because

804
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: I think frankly ninety eight percent of fans don't really

805
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: care about the Missouri Valley Conference teams and what happens

806
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: to them, or Maction and what happens to I do

807
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: think it gets trickier when you're talking about what happens

808
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: to some of these big schools in big conferences that

809
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: can be competitive but not necessarily as competitive as they

810
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: want to be in a new scale.

811
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Speaker 1: Where they have to have a much higher salary.

812
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: But that's what you're advocating for, So I mean, they're

813
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: going to have to choose what to do.

814
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: Sure, and I think that's that's where you're going that

815
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: FITZI is where you're going to quantifiably find out, Okay,

816
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: who's who's alumni base, who's fan base, who's nil collective donors?

817
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Who actually cares about supporting athletics?

818
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: This way, because the onus is going to be based

819
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: on the current structure and the revenue sharing and things

820
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: like that, you are going to put more onus on

821
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: people to actually care versus just offering the opinion of no,

822
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: I care about this thing. Let me tell you how much,

823
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: and then you're going to ask them. All right, all right,

824
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: go ahead and cash this check that your mouth is writing.

825
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: Here.

826
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: Let's let's see physical, hard hard cash on the level

827
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: of interest that you are willing to say that you

828
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: have in this program. Perdue, for example, is one that

829
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: you used. Indiana has ponied up the money. It's crazy.

830
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: It's crazy to me to see a world in which

831
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: Indiana Football is spending about twenty million dollars a year

832
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: on their roster, but Georgia is spending forty, right Like

833
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: that's that's the kind of thing that the revshare model

834
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: is going to try and tamp down.

835
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: And even if we don't get to things like a CBA.

836
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: The way that Dianna know was advocating for big twelve

837
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: media days, which I thought, you know, frankly, I wasn't

838
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: a big fan of hearing that specifically from him, because

839
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 3: he's then arguing against the best interest of players being

840
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 3: able to maximize their value without a CAP. I think

841
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: that you will see those kind of universities trickle down.

842
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: The separation will happen quickly, and it'll move in a

843
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: direction where the Big ten and the SEC probably take

844
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: the reins on all of this. They've had the rains

845
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: the entire time. Greg Sankee specifically, the commissioner of the SEC.

846
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's viewed as a villain in the vast

847
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: majority of other places in the country. Here in the Southeast, obviously,

848
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 3: he's about as close to a god amongst football man

849
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: as you could find here because he's making sure to

850
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: be proactive on these things. So they will prioritize making

851
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: sure that they have the teams, the programs who are

852
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: the most invested in the long term viability of whatever

853
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: the television construct, whatever the Super Conference plan is, and

854
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: the rest of them will be given a choice basically,

855
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: spend more money or get left behind. And that's as

856
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: cold cut as you can get with it. But that's

857
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: I mean you brought up Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt football is starting

858
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 3: to get into a place, or at least last year

859
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 3: gave us a glimpse of what it might look like

860
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: if they act actually invest in the program. And they

861
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: also had a super polarizing figure come in that was

862
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: actually good at college football in Diego Pavia, who's not

863
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: scared to start fires, and coaching Clark Lee, who's a

864
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: nice balance.

865
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Speaker 1: Of who he is.

866
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: But Vanderbilt has been kind of on the fringe of

867
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: this conversation of how long you're going to grift off

868
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: the SEC's revenue sharing model, how long are you going

869
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: to take this money without actually putting it back into

870
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: your football program. Vandy has at least started to move

871
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: in that direction. Some other institutions that are thought of

872
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: in the same light as Vanderbilt, they'll be pushed to

873
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: the same task, and whether or not they meet the challenge,

874
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: we'll see