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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. We are back with Doug Fine, author of

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Speaker 1: American Hemp Farmer. We will take your calls with him

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Speaker 1: next hour here. Doug, you were talking about hemp and food.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Well, hemp is a true super food, George.

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Speaker 1: It's many people know. It's got an ideal omega balance,

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Speaker 1: a balance between omega and nine, six and three. I'm

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Speaker 1: a sort of a walking billboard of foad. We used

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Speaker 1: in my family as a prenatal care for my sweetheart

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Speaker 1: and our you know, thank God, our kids are healthy

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Speaker 1: and m But beyond the omega balance, it also has

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Speaker 1: a very high in minerals like magnesium. At two other

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Speaker 1: really cool things I found in researching my recent book.

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Speaker 1: One is hemp is a rare food source for a

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Speaker 1: protein building block called g LA gamma inlaic acid. It's

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Speaker 1: associated with anti inflammatory properties for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 1: In modern life, many people have inflamed systems for various reasons.

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Speaker 1: It could be air pollution, it could be prescription side effects.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in our lives in our

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Speaker 1: world these days, and GLA is really associated with that,

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Speaker 1: you know, documented given mainstream academic double blind studies anti

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Speaker 1: inflammatory effects. So that's pretty cool. But the neatest thing

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Speaker 1: I found was, and this is really preliminary research, this

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Speaker 1: is not done yet, but a colleague of mine has

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Speaker 1: been doing research showing that hemp may have anti obesity effects.

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Speaker 1: It might inhibit the enlargement of lipid cells in our body,

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Speaker 1: so diet might keep us thin. Is it taste good?

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Speaker 1: It does. It's technically it's a nut, so I very

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Speaker 1: much enjoy it. I tend to eat the hemp hearts,

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Speaker 1: which is the de hold hemp seed. There's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with whole hemp seeds, but the hemp hearts are just

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Speaker 1: a real nutty, delicious thing that I throw in yogurt

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Speaker 1: or a shake, so I find it really tasty. You

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Speaker 1: can also press the hemp seed and eat the hemp

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Speaker 1: seed oil in people actually believe it or not like

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Speaker 1: to put the hempseed oil in their coffee. Where do

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Speaker 1: people buy hemp darga. It's pretty much available every place

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Speaker 1: these days, and in other words, if you want, you

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Speaker 1: can get it at large chain stores. I think that

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Speaker 1: just like fresh squeezed orange juice is gonna beat out

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Speaker 1: the taste of a frozen I like to seek out

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Speaker 1: in any region I'm in the local farmers and what

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Speaker 1: they're growing, because I think it's going to be better quality.

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Speaker 1: So I tend to go to the farmers markets or

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Speaker 1: or the food cooperatives and say, what are the local

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Speaker 1: guys growing? But it truly, you could walk into any

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Speaker 1: supermarket in the nation and they're gonna lead used to

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Speaker 1: have hemp seed oil. The one issue, George, is that

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Speaker 1: many people now because of the CBD gold rush we

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Speaker 1: talked about a little bit earlier, they're growing only female

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Speaker 1: plants because they only want the female flower. That's where

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Speaker 1: CBD lives. Ah Okay, I didn't know that male and

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Speaker 1: female because then you get seeds and you get the

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Speaker 1: super food as well. Back in Saint Louis around ninety

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Speaker 1: six ninety seven, when I was doing my local show,

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Speaker 1: we did a program on a fellow who owned what

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Speaker 1: was called a hempmobile, and he was running his little

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Speaker 1: car on hemp oil. You know I have done that.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, You'll love this. A friend of

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Speaker 1: mine said, you know, we could solve petroleum with just

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Speaker 1: hempseed oil. We're going to drive my Mercedes Limo around

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Speaker 1: bought it used and evidently used to be owned by

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Speaker 1: Emelda Marcos, she of the Philippines pairs of shoes. And

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Speaker 1: it works. By the way, you can drive on hempseed oil.

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Speaker 1: If we have time, I'll just mention quickly. I think

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Speaker 1: the form of supercapacitors. I think next generation batteries are

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Speaker 1: going to be made from hemp biomaterials. This sounds too

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Speaker 1: their own if they if they If it sounds out there,

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Speaker 1: there's research done by a guy named David Mintlin, originally

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Speaker 1: at the University of Manitoba, now at Clarkson College in

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Speaker 1: New York that indicates that the hemp fiber, when reduced

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Speaker 1: to the nano level, outperforms any other known nanomaterial. Next

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Speaker 1: And why this is so important is that we don't

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Speaker 1: we if we can impour them, or if their supply

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Speaker 1: supercapacitor part of the battery is not the actual part

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Speaker 1: charge rate and the charge time. So where the HEMP

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Speaker 1: fiber is revolutionary is where today we may have a

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Speaker 1: that might take a day or two. Instead, your phone

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Speaker 1: Is there a downside to hempdug? Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: think there's a downside from the folk that are leaping in.

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Speaker 1: I want people to leap in because we need more

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Speaker 1: farmers in this country. We need more people building soil,

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Speaker 1: and we need more hemp. But I hesitate to have

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Speaker 1: people literally bet the farm on one crop because you're

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Speaker 1: depending on mother nature. Sure, it's a risk, it's a risk.

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Speaker 1: How many acres do you need to make real good

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Speaker 1: money with this? If you're growing for the flour In

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Speaker 1: has the fashionable cannabinoigin, it's the CBD and there's an

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Speaker 1: That's not if you're selling wholesale to a middleman. That's

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Speaker 1: if you're going to get the full fifty dollars a

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Speaker 1: bottle yourself. But if you want to do what I

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Speaker 1: you do need larger acreage. Let's call it thirty to

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Speaker 1: of North Dakota, he has a company called the Healthy

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Speaker 1: Oil Seeds that buys seed from farmers and or get

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Speaker 1: does hemp need to be in a certain location? Kemp

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Speaker 1: has grown in every continent except for Antarctica. You're absolutely

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Hawaii to grow hemp. The point of

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Speaker 1: help people sleep better without being drugged, and it just

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Speaker 1: has some medicinal properties. How would you compare it to

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Speaker 1: but only one of one hundred and ten known tannabinoid

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Speaker 1: I myself have a daily diet of hemp flower and

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Speaker 1: my health maintenance plan, and I find it energizing. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: dioecious hemp, meaning males and female, so I have seed

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Speaker 1: got it legalized finally? Again, what kind of lobby pushed

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Speaker 1: was a teep tipping point in Congress. It's amazing how

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Speaker 1: this tipping point phenomenon works. Ten years ago you had

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Speaker 1: There are still people alive who remember being hemp farmers.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's making it easy for the Kentuckis and

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Speaker 1: Much more though than marijuana, I bet, oh yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and to be honest, that's going to help the hemp

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Speaker 1: hemp industry is, admittedly by the researchers who call it

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Speaker 1: defined it the arbitrary early low THHC definition of hemp

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Speaker 1: of point three percent THHC. The hemp, the cannabis plant

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Speaker 1: doesn't want that little amount. It wants a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than that, and so there's an act. There's a

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Speaker 1: move on now to change the definition of hemp too,

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Speaker 1: at least one percent thc, which is still unbelievably low.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's getting high on one percent thc. But the hemp

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Speaker 1: farmers need it because the plants are coming back forty tests,

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the tests are coming back in that

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Speaker 1: point five point six point seven, and the farmers who

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Speaker 1: Prior to legalization, Doug, was hemp considered a drug at all.

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Speaker 1: It was any cannabis plan at all that was cultivated

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Speaker 1: in the US prior to the twenty eighteen Farm Bill,

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Speaker 1: was in the Controlled Substances Act. In fact, it was

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Speaker 1: a Schedule one felony, meaning considered more dangerous than heroin

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Speaker 1: or cocaine. Oh my god, really, yep, how did that appen? Man?

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Speaker 1: You know, you may have hit on it earlier in

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Speaker 1: the show when you said that there were forces out

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Speaker 1: there that you didn't want to see it. See it

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Speaker 1: in the above ground economy. A lot of people without

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Speaker 1: education about the products, make these assumptions that aren't true,

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Speaker 1: and they run with it. And with our politicians, they're

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Speaker 1: absolutely petrified to be cornered saying you approve a drug

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Speaker 1: try to wear the patriotism hat when I talk about hemp,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a guy who lives remote farms

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Speaker 1: and I grow hemp as did George Washington. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I am so lucky. Last year, Dean Norton, who runs

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Speaker 1: the George Washington's Mount Vernon's farm estate out there in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: invited me out there, gave me a sickle. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you these colonial harvest tools, man, they are sharp.

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Speaker 1: I cut myself my thumb harvesting hemp with him on

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Speaker 1: George Washington's land, and it's in George Washington's journals. He

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Speaker 1: loved cultivating hamp. Do you do you cultivate to hemp

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Speaker 1: primarily for yourself or do you sell it as well.

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Speaker 1: I do have a commercial product, but I do very

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Speaker 1: small product runs because my living I'm a journalist and

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Speaker 1: an author, so my living is not dependent on my product.

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Speaker 1: I primarily grow the product that I want and my

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Speaker 1: family wants to use that we enjoy the most, but

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Speaker 1: I market it because I'm trying to walk the walk,

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Speaker 1: not be one of those pundits who just tell people

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Speaker 1: what to do without everything I trying on the line.

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Speaker 1: Is it hard to process? Is it hard to grow?

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Speaker 1: Is it hard to bottle it? Is it hard to

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Speaker 1: you know? What is a price point at which you

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