1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: Here we go. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: It's a Wednesday, live in Chicago. It's the Herd. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: What a crazy night. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Team Italy Beach Team USA at the World Baseball Classic. 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: The Max Crosby deal to the Ravens is called off, 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: and Bam want to buy you. If you'd have given 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: me fifteen NBA stars and said one of them is 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna drop eighty three points, he'd have been number fifteen. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: He's a good player, five time All Defense, two time Olympian, 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: three time All Star. So Bam scores eighty three points 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: last night. Everybody now is attacking Bam out of Bayou. 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Everybody's ripping him. Well, I mean, come on, he got 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: to the free throw line forty three times and they 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: were foul. First of all, this is what we do 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: in America the minute their success, we got to tear 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: somebody down. Eighty three is eighty three, and he's an 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: excellent basketball player. When Wilt Chamberlain scored one hundred points 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: against a terrible New York Knicks team, do you realize 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: his Warriors were fouling the Knicks to get Wilt extra possessions? 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: When Kobe scored eighty one against an awful Raptors team, 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: the Lakers led by fifteen with four and a half 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: minutes left, and Kobe scored eleven points after that, I 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: mean Bam had thirty one in the first quarter, sixty 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: two after three quarters. It was totally legitimate. 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Do I think Miami doctored it up a little bit late, yes, 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: But every star in this league has had an opportunity 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: or three to play the cruddy Wizards and they didn't 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: drop eighty three. So there are just certain things in 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: sports that are true. You don't see pass interference on 40 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: hail Mary's in the NFL. 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: You could, but refs get out of the way. 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: If a baseball pitcher's got a no hitter or a 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: perfect game in the seventh inning, expect that picture in 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the eighth and the ninth to get the corner to 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: get the black. 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: And if a guy's got sixty. 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Two points and is going for an all time historic night, yeah, 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: his team's gonna probably doctor it up a little bit 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: to see if he can pass Kobe or get close 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: to Wilt. It's just it's baked into sports. Wilt, Kobe, 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: and Bam are not going off against good teams. The 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: team Wilt scored one hundred against. I looked it up 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: this morning, eighteen games under five hundred. In Kobe's eighty 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: one point game, the Raptors were twelve under five hundred, 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: and he scored again. They went to the fourth quarter. 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: Only a couple of Lakers in the entire fourth quarter 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: even got shots, and I doubt Smush Parker was one 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: of them. So, I mean, you know, last night the 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Wizards listen to the Wizards starting five last night, it 60 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: is a tanking team. And you know, I think the 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: NBA gets too caught up on dynasties. If they happened, 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: they happened, and too caught up on tanking. I think 63 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: their big issue was too many three point shots, too repetitive, 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: and Bam didn't have that many three point shots, but 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: the Wizards starting five was twenty years old, twenty years old, 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: twenty years old, nineteen years old, and twenty one years old. 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: It was essentially a college team and not necessarily a 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: great one. So here's Bam sitting next to his girlfriend 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: WNBA star Asia Wilson and Kevin Durant after. 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: To have eighty three the first game. She's here is 71 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: very special. The behind the scenes and the workouts and 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: the conversations, they're very motivating, and obviously you see what 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 4: she does and you get inspired every day by that. 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: So I'm thankful to ever in my life. I couldn't 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: believe it when I was hearing and in real time, 76 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: I'm just like, you got thirty in the first quarter, 77 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: and there's seventy. Congratulations to band, almost work he puts in. 78 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 4: I looked at the statues. Pretty crazy. Forty shots, forty 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: free throws, twenty three eighthies of it. 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 5: That takes a lot of stabbing them. Then it takes 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 5: a lot of energy to the cause there to put 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: those shots up. Could also make them. 83 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, if you have thirty one points 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: in the first quarter of an NBA game, the coaching staff, 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: when you're playing a terrible team, the coaching staff, the teammates, 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: everybody kind of looks around at halftime. Everybody kind of 87 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: looks at the sheet and you're like, oh uh. And 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in the third quarter, it's like 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: sixty two points. It's like, let's get him to eighty again. 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: Kobe playing a horrible Raptors team, Lakers led by fifteen 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: with four and a half minutes left. Kobe scored eleven 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: points after that. So, and I guarantee you Wilt's got 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: doctored as well. That's just one of those things in 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: sports that we all kind of smile and we know 95 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: it's true. Nobody's calling pass interference on Hail Mary's and 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: the umpire. It's given you the corners. If you got 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: a perfect game in the seventh eighth inning, they're gonna 98 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: give you the corners on a three and two pitch. 99 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: They're not gonna go the other way and have a walk. 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna ring it up. Okay, So the Max Crosby 101 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: deal sounded like a great deal, and then suddenly people 102 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: are saying, well, Eric Takosta the raven GM he got 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: cold feet. Well, Max didn't pass his physical and so 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: the deal's off. So people are freaking out. And my 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: takeaway is if I was the Raiders, hey, I'd stay 106 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: on the phone Chicago Bears. But if I had to 107 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: take him back, I'd take him back. People break up 108 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, Dak just broke up with 109 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: his fiance. Max Crosby just broke up with the Raiders. 110 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe they'll get back together. It happens all 111 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: the time. Last year, Miles Garrett's like, get me out 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: of Cleveland, and he went on to have his best 113 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: year as a Cleveland Brown. Stuff happens. Listen, Max, this 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: has been talked about. This deal had been talked about 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: for six months, so it didn't catch Max off guard. 116 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: Max is a pro. 117 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: The Ravens offered two first round picks, Max and Dumb. 118 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: It's a great deal, especially at Max's age. He got 119 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: dinged up last year. Everybody in the room loved Max. 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Max had a fifteen minute, you know, soliloquy. He went 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: out there after getting traded and said how much he 122 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: loved the Raiders and the Raiders loved him. And you know, 123 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: people break up all the time. It happens. By the way, 124 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: the Raiders are a better team, or at least a 125 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: better roster than they were the day they traded Max. So, 126 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: how's Max Crosby. No, No, I wouldn't be opposed to going back. 127 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 1: So the Chicago Bears still need a pass rusher. Raiders 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: should get on the phone, and they're not going to 129 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: get two firsts. Maybe they get a second in the fourth. 130 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: So I mean it happens. If it was in the 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: middle of the season at the trade deadline, I'd be like, 132 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: w ooh, this is chaos. We got nothing but time. 133 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: All I know is this Max Crosby next year is 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: going to be highly effective, disruptive, twelve sacks, you know, 135 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: twenty tackles for losses. He'll bat down passes. I would 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: want them on my football team. The other thing is, 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and I had said this, I wouldn't have traded Max. 138 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: But once I got two first round offers, then it's 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: a deal. But the Raiders have eleven picks. So the 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Raiders are going to be so young. Max is one 141 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: of their only veteran stars. Colton Miller, the left tackle 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: who got dinged up last year, he's coming back. If 143 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Max came back and they couldn't find a trade partner, 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean the whole team. Spy Tech clearly knows what 145 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: he's doing. They're getting very, very young, and so I 146 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: think it's okay keeping Max Crosby or getting him back. 147 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: But I mean you say well, I mean they broke up. 148 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: It's weird. 149 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: It's odd again, it's not in season. People go off, 150 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: they go to Costa Rica, they work out. Then he's 151 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: not going to rookie camps and rookie symposiums. He'll show 152 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: up if he's a Raider, and he'll be a relentless 153 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: pass rusher in a great division. So here was Max 154 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: over the weekend after the trade when he thought he 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: was going to be a Baltimore Raven. 156 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 5: I bleed silver and black. That'll never change. 157 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: And I'm a raided for life, and I truly want 158 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: to finish when it's all said and done, you know, 159 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: in a Raiders jersey. 160 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: Whenever that time comes. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see no bitterness. 162 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: People break up, they get back together. Miles Garrett hated 163 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: the Browns, then he loved them, got a new deal. 164 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: This is the way the world works. 165 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: And all I know is Max Crosby next year, I'd 166 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: love to have him on my football team. I still 167 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: I thought the Bears were a better fit than Baltimore 168 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: because Baltimore's got to pay Lamar Jackson wants a new deal, 169 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: and Caleb's still on that rookie deal. So I thought 170 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: the Bears were a perfect fit. Plus, the Raiders would 171 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: love that because now he's out of conference. I mean, 172 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: if you really, if you're the Raiders, you'd prefer to 173 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: not trade him in conference, certainly not in the vision. 174 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: So shipping him off to the Bears to me was 175 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: a great fit. You're not going to get to first. 176 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Can you get a second, can you get a third 177 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: and a fifth? 178 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: Whatever? 179 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: That's where we are today. And Jmack, I know, Jmack, 180 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: you know we talk. We've been talking about the Lebron 181 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: Luca Austin Reeves thing, and I'm going to get into 182 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: it next. I think Jmax's coming around on this. Is 183 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: that nobody I argue this yesterday. Nobody is arguing that 184 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: Jaden McDaniels of the t Wolves is a better player 185 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: than Lebron today. 186 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: But I said this yesterday. 187 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: If you just swap them on their team, the Lakers 188 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: would be a better team with Jaden McDaniels because he's 189 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: a catch and shoot guy, which Lebron isn't. And he's 190 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: an elite defender, which at this point Lebron isn't. So 191 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: Lebron did not play again last night, and for the 192 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: second time in like three days, the Lakers beat a 193 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: really good team. 194 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: They're now ten and two. 195 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: When Luca and Austin are playing and Lebron's not. That 196 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: is not a shot at Lebron. It is a fit 197 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: in an age thing. And I know, you know, I 198 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: think I think j X coming around. 199 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, let's not make this array. 200 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: This is not about Lebron's slander, right, This is just 201 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: a fit situation, like they've tried it most of this season. 202 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: Reeves people were injured and. 203 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, Carl Anthony Towns is a very gifted offensive player. 204 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't think with Brunson Jalen Brunson's defensive limitations, it's 205 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: a perfect postseason fit. 206 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: But on any given. 207 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Night, Kat can give you thirty two points and look 208 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: like the best play in the world. 209 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: He's a great offensive player. 210 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: By the way, Austin Reeves kind of unlocked now with 211 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands more. 212 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: He looked tremendous last night. 213 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: And Anthony Edwards, a quote unquote face of the NBA 214 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: for fifteen Yep. 215 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: He strikers her back baby. It was a wild night 216 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: in sports. 217 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean Italy Baseball team USA Obam, I'm gonna buy 218 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: you at eighty three points. And the Lakers without Lebron 219 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: are like beating the Tea Wolves and the Knicks, and 220 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we've got and the Max Crosby deal unravels. 221 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: It was a crazy Tuesday night in Chicago. 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You do it 243 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 6: today and you can check all of those out on 244 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 6: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 245 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back. What a nutty Tuesday night. I'm sitting here 246 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: in a lightning storm for the Ages and I'm watching Italy. 247 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: He beat Team USA, Max Crosby deal BAM's got eighty three, 248 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: and the Lakers beat the Knicks and now the te 249 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Wolves hammer both without Lebron. And it's very hard to 250 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: conceptualize because for twenty years, every time Lebron played for 251 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: a team, he elevated everybody around it. And now suddenly 252 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: he gets in the way with Luca. His best teammate, 253 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves is better, Austin Reeves feels freer. 254 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: Luca doesn't have to. 255 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: Kind of worry, although he won't say it about getting 256 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Lebron touches. They're ten and two without Lebron, when Austin 257 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: and Daunts play and so and they're much better defensively. 258 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: It honestly feels like this young Laker team, which isn't 259 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: really that young, but young gerwin Lebron doesn't play. It's 260 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: like they're telling the new owners, hey, we're good here. 261 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: We don't need the chaperone. We love Dad, but we're 262 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: good on our own. Now they're playing much harder defensively, 263 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of you won't believe this since acquiring Luca, 264 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: the Lakers' best net rating and best defensive ratings, or 265 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: when Lebron doesn't play, it is hard to contextualize because 266 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: the last twenty years it was the opposite. But just 267 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: against the t Wolves this season three and zero without 268 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: Lebron last year with him in the playoffs, they couldn't 269 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: even compete. 270 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: So it and clearly there's a young guy energy. 271 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Lebron is so big, and it's different in football, like 272 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: Tom Brady could quarterback at forty five because Tom didn't 273 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: play defense. But what happens in the NBA is even 274 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: great defensive players hit like thirty six and they're wearing 275 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: knee brace and they just can't stop the young guy 276 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: NBA is a young man's game. It's never been more international, 277 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and it's never been twitch year, and it's never been 278 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: more athletic, and it's never been younger. And that makes 279 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Lebron feel really old. Brady's not playing defense, Matt Stafford's 280 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: not playing defense, Aaron Rodgers not playing defense. 281 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: So these old quarterbacks, I. 282 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Mean, maybe they don't move as well as they once did, 283 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: but Stafford and Brady don't move anyone but in basketball 284 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: the old guys. Lebron's now the second slowest guy in 285 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: the league on the floor. And I'm not denying he's 286 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: an asset to the league. He's been a star of 287 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: the league. I've been a bigger fan. I mean, I've 288 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: had people tell me to this day. I live in Chicago. 289 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: One of the things they say, be nicer to Kayleb Williams, 290 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: and you're wrong on Lebron and Michael Jordan. I'm a 291 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: pro Lebron guy. But Lebron has made six all defensive teams, 292 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: all of them in his twenties. There aren't very I 293 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: mean very rarely, maybe Kareem have very few great defensive 294 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: players in their thirties in the NBA. The game is young, 295 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a young man's game, and it's never been younger, 296 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: and it's never been more international. And I think it 297 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: feels like this team is kind of telling JJ Reddick, Helen, 298 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: the new owners, guys, we're good here in Austin Reeves, 299 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Lebron is so great that he kind of takes up 300 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot of oxygen, even though he's a good teammate. 301 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: But it's like if a bunch of stand up comedians 302 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: were in a room and Seinfeld walked in, or the 303 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: late Johnny Carson, you just kind of like let. 304 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: Them talk first. 305 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean that it's honestly, if you're an actor and 306 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, here comes Sean Penn into the room, 307 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: or you know, here comes Denzel or Hangs into a room. 308 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: The young actors, Oh those guys can Yeah. 309 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'll just sit down and watch Denzel 310 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: to his thing, right, Like, there is something about Lebron's 311 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: greatness that Austin Reeves, who is I mean Austin last 312 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: night was unstoppable because he doesn't feel like he has 313 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: to make sure, you know, get the old guy touches. 314 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: And I know you think I'm banging on. 315 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Lebron, but JJ Reddick you know, it's it's it's a 316 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: different vibe when Lebron's not on the floor. 317 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: And here's JJ after another win, told the. 318 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 7: Guys at halftime to just keep trust what we're trusting 319 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 7: in what we're doing. We end up with a one 320 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 7: fifty three offensive rating in the second half. 321 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 5: So I thought that end was really good. But really 322 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 5: it was. 323 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 7: You know, our defensive game plan was fantastic. They executed it. 324 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 7: You know, Randall takes eleven shots, fourteen points. Edwards goes 325 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 7: two for fifteen. Certainly, I think he missed a couple 326 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 7: of those threes that you know he can make, but 327 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 7: I thought the majority of his threes were tough contested threes. 328 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it since Luca was acquired best 329 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: net rating, best defensive ratings when Lebron's not on the floor. 330 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: So we have a sample size here. And by the way, 331 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: the Knicks are really good team. Lakers all over him defensively, 332 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: and then here comes Aunt and the te Wolves. Ant 333 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: was two for fifteen and one of his worst nights 334 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: of the season. And the Lakers still aren't a great team. 335 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: But man, they play hard. Man they move better without 336 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: a chaperone. 337 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 338 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: and Noone eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 339 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 340 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: Well, if very few players can say this, Robert or 341 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: made the playoffs in each season of a sixteen year 342 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: NBA career, never lost in the first round, thirty nine 343 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: playoff series wins. Now he does a great job Laker 344 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: analyst on Spectrum. See him all the time talking Lakers, 345 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: and he is now joining us live. Played for Phil Popovich. 346 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: Rudy T. So I want to start before we get to. 347 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: The Lakers stuff, because you know him well and you 348 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: had some great comments off the air. So everybody's kind 349 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: of banging on Bam out of Bayou, and I know 350 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: it was fun. But Robert, he had thirty one in 351 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: the first quarter in sixty two through three, and I 352 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: remember that Kobe eighty one game. Kobe's go at eleven 353 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: points in the last four minutes and they and he 354 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: was taking all the shots. 355 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: So can't I. 356 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: Defend Bam out to buy you and go listen, when 357 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: you go into the fourth quarter with sixty two, your 358 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: boys are gonna take care of you, right, You're gonna 359 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: get the looks, right. 360 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, correct. 361 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 8: You know for me, you know, we all make mistakes sometimes, 362 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 8: and the information I was given about the game, I 363 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 8: jumped to conclusion. So I want to apologize for Bam 364 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 8: saying it should be an as Bam. You deserve what 365 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 8: you got. You know, after watching the highlights and sowing 366 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 8: the work you put in, I apologize you put. 367 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 5: It into work. 368 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 8: It should be no asterisk by your game. Because you know, 369 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 8: I'm a big, big band fan, because he's only one 370 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 8: of the guys that can play a few guys that 371 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 8: can do it on both things of the course, So 372 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 8: what he did was in a great a confience, So 373 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 8: you know, he should be proud of it, and the 374 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 8: Miami Heat organization should proud of it. 375 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: More important, his teammates should be proud. 376 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 8: Of because they got him that they got him the 377 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 8: astrocnomical number. 378 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Robert I was talking about this early is 379 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: that for twenty years when Lebron played with Andrena Silgoskaz 380 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: got him to the finals, when he played with d 381 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Wade and Bosh four finals, and then then you know 382 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: he plays with Anthony Davis and it works, and so 383 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: I just thought, naturally, oh, he and Luca would be 384 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: great together. But the net rating since Luca arrived, and 385 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: the defensive ratings Luca and Austin are better when Lebron's 386 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: not on the floor. So I thought that Luca think, well, 387 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: they both passed, well, they're both smart players. 388 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: It'll work. 389 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: The data's in. It's they're not great together on the floor. 390 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: Why tell me? Why what do you notice that worked 391 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: other places that doesn't work here? 392 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 8: I think when you one of the times I like 393 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 8: the use of basketball players is specialists. When you look 394 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 8: at all the other forumas that he had, those guys 395 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 8: were specialists, Luca and Ar kind of the same, and 396 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 8: then you throw Lebron and that he's similar. But the 397 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 8: problem is when you have those three in a game, 398 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 8: they're not great defensive players. And you consider Lebron's a 399 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 8: good defensive player and Luca and Ar Okay, you got 400 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 8: to have really good defensive players when you put that 401 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 8: mix in the offense, because at the end of the day, 402 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 8: you have to be able to stop someone. And I 403 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 8: know a lot of times in this game is about 404 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 8: you stopped me first, and then we just you know, 405 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 8: let the cars fall what they may on the other 406 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 8: side of go up. 407 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 5: But you at the end of the day, you think 408 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 5: about it. When you got that situation. 409 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 8: Where you got to school, you got to have some 410 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 8: type of defensive scheme. 411 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: And I think that was one of the things that it's. 412 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 8: Not talked about enough, is about how well you play defense. 413 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you played with Pop and Phil Jackson. 414 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: We think of Phil Jackson for the triangle offense, but 415 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: how much did Phil Jackson preach defense at practice all 416 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: the time? 417 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 8: If you go back and look at every championship, I 418 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 8: want we were probably top five defensive every year. And 419 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 8: you think about when you have that guy in the middle, 420 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 8: like a Shock, like a Dream, like a Tim Duncan, 421 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 8: where you can get up on guys and run them 422 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 8: off the three point line. You got that big dog 423 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 8: in the back to block shots and guard the yard. 424 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: It's easy. 425 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 8: But you look at the Lakers and you look at 426 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 8: who's guarding that yard. 427 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 5: DeAndre Ayton is up and down. 428 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 8: You know, Jackson Hayes is up and down and is 429 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 8: nobody back that it can really guard the yard like 430 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 8: I had. 431 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 5: We know with Shag Dream and. 432 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: Tim the You know I've said before it was different 433 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: with Magic or Kobe. 434 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: They're Lakers, but and I say this. 435 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I always defended Lebron for being mobile and bouncing around 436 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: the league on his terms. I defended him he empowered players. 437 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: It's sort of the Lebron empowerment of players. Michael Jordan 438 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: made the game global. Lebron empowered players. You guys go 439 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: look around the league. And so the downside of that 440 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: for Lebron. 441 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: Is that there's not a feeling like magic. Like magic 442 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 3: is a Laker. 443 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: When he shows up to the games, people still stand 444 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: instead of crypto. 445 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, there is that. 446 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: I do think maybe I'm wrong, Robert, but you could 447 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: move off Lebron, give him a statue. I don't think 448 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: fans would be outraged like I think they realized. He 449 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: always he was a mobile guy. He went to the 450 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: best situation. He did what was good for business. He 451 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like magic to me as a Laker. 452 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 8: I think a lot of times fans forget that it's 453 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 8: a player's choice to go where they want to go, 454 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 8: and we get caught up in oh he's a Laker, 455 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 8: he's a cavalier, or he's a heat You think about 456 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 8: when guys in the real world they don't like their job, 457 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 8: they moved to another job. If they don't like to pay, 458 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 8: they go to another job. But when there's an athlete's 459 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 8: kind of you know, it's like, no, you can't do 460 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 8: that because you're this and that. And I think the choice, 461 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 8: and I think Lebron you know him, Katie, those guys 462 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 8: have had the choice. You know, everybody wants somebody to 463 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 8: be like a Dirk and the COVID stay for twenty 464 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 8: years and Tim Duncan. That ain't the case with everybody. 465 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 8: They wanted to explore options. And I think if he 466 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 8: does get a statue out there, he's deserved. He should 467 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 8: get a statue in Cleveland. He's just get a statue 468 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 8: in la he should get a statue in Miami. But 469 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 8: because you think about what he's done for every organization, 470 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 8: sometimes it's not about the wins, it's about the butts 471 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 8: you put in the seat, and wherever he goes, he 472 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 8: puts butts in the seats, and so he's iconic in 473 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 8: that situation. So you know, I think he should be, 474 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 8: you know, praise Lord than he is. I think we 475 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 8: give him a lot of grief because of the passes 476 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 8: he makes sometimes like he shouldn't have did this, But 477 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 8: think about it. The dude's been in the league longer 478 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 8: than half the league's been living. You think about it, 479 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 8: all the guys that are in the league now, he's 480 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 8: they were born today. He stepped on the court, And 481 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 8: I think that's one of the things we. 482 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 5: Have to look at in Marvel. 483 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 8: He's just a great athlete, he's a great human being, 484 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 8: and more important, he knows how to keep his separated 485 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 8: each and every game. 486 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: When at forty one years. 487 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: Old, Austin reeves, can he be a number two star 488 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: on a championship team or do you need another guy 489 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: and he's a three? 490 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: How do you feel about Austin? 491 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: I love Austin. I think he can be. 492 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 8: But it's going to be very important that when you 493 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 8: have Austo on the floord someone if that other number 494 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 8: one out there can play defense. It's very important, you know. 495 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 8: You look at why san Antonio is so good. You 496 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 8: got nearn Fox, who's kind of like Alston b He 497 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 8: can create his own shot, but he has Winby and 498 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 8: Vass and all those guys who can play defense. 499 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 5: That makes them made the shine. 500 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 8: And I think that's one of the thing that you 501 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 8: can You can go back and look at a couple 502 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 8: of series like when Dallas would play Lakers and they 503 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 8: would just io and go at Ar because what you 504 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 8: do with a great offensive player, you go at him 505 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 8: defensively to try. 506 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 5: To worry him out. 507 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 8: His legs are tired and he can't shoot his especially 508 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 8: as good as you know me do. So I think 509 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 8: that's one of the things that a lot of players 510 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 8: like to do at Luca and Ar because they're not 511 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 8: great defenders and if you go out there and it 512 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 8: kind of makes their legs a little tired, so they 513 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 8: shot some one as effective. 514 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: The you know, the numbers are pretty clear when Luca, Lebron, 515 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: and Austin are on the floor together, it doesn't work 516 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: for the for the for the reasons you've mentioned, they 517 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: don't have a defensive stopper. But I also think there 518 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: is something, you know, I was saying this. You could 519 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: put a bunch of young actors in a room, but 520 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: if Denzel Washington walks in, all the young actors and 521 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: they could be the hottest people in Hollywood, they would 522 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: look at Denzel and they'd all say, Okay, it's Denzel's room. 523 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: Because yeah, Lebron is such an iconic figure that I 524 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: feel that sometimes and it is not Lebron's fault. But 525 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: when Austin and Lebron are on the court together, like 526 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: Austin's not as aggressive, It's like, well, Lebron, I mean, 527 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: you grew up watching idolizing Lebron, and so this is 528 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: not a Lebron fault or nor would it be a 529 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Benzel fault. With a room for young actors, but I 530 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: do think it's time to make it Luca's team and 531 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: Austin's team, and Lebron kind of takes the oxygen out 532 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: of the room sometimes because he's so big. 533 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 3: Is that fair? 534 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's does sports. A lot of teams 535 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 8: have the hierarchy. Who you going to go to? What 536 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 8: you do is you go to a guy who has 537 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 8: a mismatch, and nine times out a team Lebron has 538 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 8: a mismatch, and you sacrifice your game for the betterment 539 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 8: of the team. You know, and as you look out, 540 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 8: you know, you think about Dwayne Wade sacrifice his game, 541 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 8: Steph Curry sacrifice his game for and then you know 542 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 8: the great players do that in order for those guys 543 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 8: are exceptional, you know, the upper edgement Broms like Lebron 544 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 8: to be able to shine. I think sometimes it's up 545 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 8: to the you know, if you know, sometimes Lebron be like, no, 546 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 8: go you cook, you do your thing. But it's up 547 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 8: to the player to look at a sit on the 548 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 8: bench and say, yo, man, I got the advantage night. 549 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 5: I'm hot, let me cook. 550 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 8: And I think ar has finally gotten to that point 551 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 8: after coming back from the injury, saying you know what, Lebron, 552 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 8: I have the mismatch. 553 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 5: You know what, Luca, I had the mismatch. 554 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 8: Even last night's game, Luka Kanra was like, Okay, do 555 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 8: your thing because we know how Bald down. 556 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 5: To Luca being because he has the advantage no nine 557 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 5: times out of ten when he has the ball offensively. 558 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 8: So I think that's a big factor in the communication 559 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 8: part of the players and say, yo, you know, I'm 560 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 8: not getting in your way. I'm gonna go stand in 561 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 8: the corner and knock down this three if your passes 562 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 8: to me. 563 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 5: So I think that's what they have to do. 564 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: Hey, are you surprised? Wemby looks like he's going to 565 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: take over the league. He's an international player. The last 566 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: six or seven MVPs have been international players. The academy 567 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: system overseas puts a lot of young players against older men, 568 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: so they come in to America, they've played against older dudes. 569 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: They are highly skilled. That doesn't mean we don't produce 570 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: great young player Cooper flag Aunt Edwards. Are you surprised, however, 571 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: over the last decade how international players have taken over 572 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: the NBA, Not. 573 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 8: At all, because I think the way they have the 574 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 8: system set up is so great. I think I AAU system, 575 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 8: and our coaching system on a high school level is 576 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 8: flawed because the great guys you just roll the ball out, 577 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 8: then you let them play and you get out of 578 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 8: their way. 579 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 5: And if you think. 580 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 8: About how many international players you look at, just take 581 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 8: their form when they shoot the ball, they form is 582 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 8: almost perfect. 583 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: You look at American players. 584 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 8: Coaches are so afraid to coach now because the parents 585 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 8: are in the ear, like, don't touch my kids shot, 586 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 8: don't dismuch it. And then they don't like what's happening. 587 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 8: They jump ships, they go to another school. You think 588 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 8: about it in college, nil money is making guys jump school. 589 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 8: Nobody is learning the game. 590 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 5: Dude. 591 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 8: They're going for the money. They're going for the best 592 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 8: situation for them. And that's why I like coaches like 593 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 8: Izzo Iszo. He has that situation where he's trying to 594 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 8: teach players. He's you know, getting players to be to 595 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 8: you know, go to the next level. And for me, 596 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 8: I just think we're jumping ships so much because when 597 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 8: we face versus as players, we don't like it. We 598 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 8: want to go to the greener grass, and the grass 599 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 8: is not always greener on the other side, and so 600 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 8: it starts at the bottom of our farm system. 601 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: Sort of say that we're not able. 602 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 8: To teach players because players now are so sensitive when 603 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 8: you yell at them or try to teach them. They 604 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 8: think you're being mean and they want to move on 605 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 8: with someone's on to pat him on the back all 606 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 8: the time. Sometimes you need to kick in the butt 607 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 8: to get you started, not a paddle on the back. 608 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: So you played with a team, you played with Duncan 609 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: you played with Shock? What do you make a what 610 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: do you make a Wemby? This is new The new 611 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: iteration of the big man. 612 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 5: Wemmy is extraordinary. 613 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 8: You know, he keep saying using the term alien and 614 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 8: I when you watch him, he's getting better and better. 615 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 8: You think about how he started the season. Now you 616 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 8: know he was more trying to take a lot of 617 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 8: jump shots and Yeah, we know you can shoot the jumper, 618 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 8: but you six seven, I mean seven six, just jump 619 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 8: with someone, get paints, you know, do everything, because you 620 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 8: can do everything, and it's hard to find players like that. 621 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 8: You know, when I look at Wimby, I just I 622 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 8: see Dirk newhiskey at seven six. He's able to handle 623 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 8: on the rock. 624 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 5: He's able to even. 625 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 8: Though Dirk didn't play no deepens, but when Winby does. 626 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 5: He's able to block shots. He's a game changer, you know. 627 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 8: And I think when you look at systems and you 628 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 8: look at the coaching staff over there, and you know, 629 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 8: you talk about culture and you talk about what was 630 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 8: cultivating San Antonio with guys just play hard each and 631 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 8: every night. 632 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: That's why that team wins, because. 633 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 8: Those young guys came into a situation where they know 634 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 8: the culture in San Antonio's play hard each and every 635 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 8: night and good things are going to happen. 636 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert or sixteen year seven tied, sixteen year NBA veteran, 637 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: you won. You won almost seventy percent of your game, 638 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: so you you won. 639 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: Say I'm gonna look this up again. This number, j Max. 640 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: You couldn't believe this number, So hold on third okay, 641 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: third most career playoff series wins, thirty nine all time. 642 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: Give me, man, that's a lot of series wins. What 643 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: give me the loss? Give me a series loss that 644 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: you for years and years you couldn't get over. 645 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 5: Oh man, my last game as a Laker. 646 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 8: Remember I went to my last series that we was 647 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 8: faaning San Antonio back in two thousand and forty year 648 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 8: they won it. 649 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 5: You know I had. 650 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 8: I would think I was like three for thirty nine 651 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 8: from three for the series. For the for the playoffs, 652 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 8: I wasn't shooting it very well. I remember Kobe kixing 653 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 8: to me in San Antonio, my favorite spot. 654 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 5: I missed the shot the buzz. We lose that game. 655 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 8: Then we go home to LA for Game six, the 656 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 8: Spurs beat us and they go in and win the championship. 657 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 8: And that haunts me for a bunch of reasons because 658 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 8: if I make that shot, you we probably win that 659 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 8: series because it gives us life. 660 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 5: But on the other flip side of that, the Lakers, 661 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 5: I'm picking my option. I lose a lot of money 662 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 5: because they let me go. 663 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hell yeah. 664 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: I watch you regularly on all the Lakers stuff, and 665 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: congrats and your success and Thanks for coming on, my man. 666 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. 667 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 8: And also, you know, I want to appreciate you for 668 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 8: having you know, I always been a big fan. You 669 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 8: should always kid you about Alabama stuff. Man, So I 670 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 8: want to appreciate you for letting me come on and 671 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 8: have this platform. 672 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: You played for four years for Wimp Sanderson's I remember. 673 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: I remember. That's when guys actually stayed in college, didn't 674 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: bounce around. 675 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: I remember it. Well. 676 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: Good seeing you, Yeah, good to see you, brother. All right, 677 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: big shot Bob Robert or seven time champ. That is 678 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: just an insane number to me. Thirty nine playoff wins, 679 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: playoff series wins. 680 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 3: It's incredible.