1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: In this episode of the News World, I have two 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: great guests joining me to discuss their new book, Battle 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: for the American Mind, up rooting a century of mis education. 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: It's a revolutionary roadmap to saving our children from leftist indoctrination. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: And Pete and David have written a field guide that 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: gives patriotic parents a roadmap to take their children's education 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: back and give America a fighting chance. Of course, you 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: all know my good friend Pete Hexeth, New York Times 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: bestselling author, co host of Fox and Friends Weekend, America's 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: number one cable morning show, also the host of multiple 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Fox Nation documentaries, including The Miseducation of America. Pete is 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: an Army combat veteran, a proud father, a great patriot, 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: and somebody I always enjoy working with David Goodwin and 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: grew up on an Idaho farm, spent more than a 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: decade in big tech, and quit to help found the 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: Ambrose School in Boise, Idaho. He is the editor of 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: the classical Difference magazine. Pete and David, welcome and thank 18 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: you for joining me on News World. Pete, if you 19 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: don't mind, I'll start with you, because your new five 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: part series on Fox nation. The Miseducation of America came 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: out in January this year, and it really takes a 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: similar approach to this book. Tell us about the series, well, 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: thank you first and foremost for having a second of 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: all for being a part of that series. You add 25 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: an amazing depth to what we were trying to do. 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: And I guess our overarching goal here is to expose 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: the depth of the progressive takeover in our country in 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: the K through twelve system, and then provide an alternate 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: opportunity for parents and grandparents something they can do about 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: it proactively, both in their indie vidual lives in their communities, 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: but also at a larger scale, because it is the 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: future of our republic that is at stake. And David 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: and I would like to think that the types of 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: things we propose in this book are what we're gonna 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: need if we're gonna muster the type of comeback we 36 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: need to create generations of freethinking citizens because right now, 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: as you know, as we cover on Fox all the time, 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: there's lunacy across the board. And what we point out 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: is this is only the tip of the iceberg of 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: a one hundred year takeover that targeted the very core 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: of what made Western civilization, our American Republic special and successful, 42 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: and that's intentional. So we're just trying to spread the word, 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: raise awareness. You know the book Allen Bloom's Closing of 44 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: the American Mind. It was written in the eighties about 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: higher education. We're not saying this is equivalent to that masterpiece, 46 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: but we're hoping it's a humble contribution to a raising 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: awareness of the depth of the problem in k through 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: twelve classrooms today. Oh yeah, David, you served as a 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: consultant in the series. What did you learn from working 50 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: on him? Much of what I learned is how the 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: progressives managed to undermine what we call a Western Christian padea, 52 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: or the basis of education for the West. And then 53 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: what I learned was what Pete and the other contributors brought, 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: including yourself, from the long term effects of that over 55 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: the last eighty years. I mean, I knew some of it, 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: but it is shocking when you see how nature abhors 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: a vacuum and the void was filled. The fact is 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: that we've had this continuous effort by the educational left 59 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: to undermine and destroy Western civilization. So it's really an 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: astonishing story. And I'm curious because the two of you 61 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: came together. As I said, I've known Pete a long 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: time and I'm delighted to get to know you, David. 63 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: What was it that drew you together to write this book? 64 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I called David my serpa. He has been the guide 65 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: of this project. He's the Sean Connery to Harrison Ford 66 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: in Indiana Jones where things happened. And I'm the parent 67 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: exploring it with him, trying to run as fast as 68 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: I can to figure it out. And it was an 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: organic meeting between the two of us. I met a 70 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: family at a Fox and Friends diner in North Carolina 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: that went to one of David's schools in North Carolina, 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: These two beautiful young girls and their parents, and they 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: told me about the Classical Christian school that they went to. 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: Now I had some familiarity with classical Christian in that movement, 75 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: but they said, you got to meet this guy, David Goodwin. 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: You got to talk to him. He runs the association. 77 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: And I called him up and we spoke and he 78 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: shared portions of a manuscript he was working on. I 79 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: shared my passion for the subject, and I just started 80 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: asking him questions. I mean, there's no other way around it, 81 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: and what every question I asked, David had an answer. 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: And then it went deeper. And then it went deeper, 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: and I realized how little I knew about the depth 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: of the problem of America's educational industrial complex and where 85 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: it came from. David had the answers for that because 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: he had been doing the digging and he'd been doing 87 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: the work on what the solution is. When we worked 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: on this project, it was almost as if David started 89 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: with where the problem came from through his research of 90 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: early progressives and the New Republic and John Dewey and everything, 91 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: and then I've started with the lunacy of the sixteen 92 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: nineteen project and what we talked about on Fox News Channel. 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: And he moved forward and I moved backwards. And through 94 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: that collaboration we started to get a full tapestry of 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: the timeline of each bit and piece where another progressive 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: put their shoulder to the plow to advance the ball 97 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: further down the field. And they didn't know exactly where 98 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: it would lead new but they knew where it wouldn't go, 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: and they knew it would go away from God and 100 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: away from Western civilization and away from God given truths 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: and natural rights and all the things that our republic 102 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: are predicated on, and that was their goal. So it 103 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: was one of those things where I'm like, David, you 104 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: know things I don't know, and David said, hey, Pete, 105 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: you know things I don't know. And we both have 106 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: strengths in different places. And so this is truly a 107 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: labor of love, amission and a cause this book to 108 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: amplify this message as far and wide as possible through 109 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: folks like you and Fox and elsewhere in the amazing 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: network of schools that David has, so that more and 111 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: more parents and grandparents know they have an alternative. You 112 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: don't just have to default to the status quo that 113 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: you know is poisoning the minds of your kids. We've 114 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: got a fighting chance, and here's what you can do 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: about it. So this project doesn't happen without David Goodwin, 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and he's been leading it from the beginning. David, I mean, 117 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: you came at this from unusual background, as I understand it. 118 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: You spent thirteen years in marketing a new business development 119 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: for a computer products manufacturer before getting into education. But 120 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: what made you decide to go from marketing to education. Well, 121 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: I had always been interested in history and what made 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: when we look at the problems that we're facing in 123 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: any moment, And this was in the late nineties that 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: I started to run into classical education. I realized that 125 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: it really provided the answer for me as a Christian 126 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: as to why Christianity seemed to be so separated from 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: daily thought in life in America, and that separation it 128 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: turns out, I attended a lecture by Hillsdale Professor back 129 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands where he read a quote 130 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: from Progressive in the early part of the twentieth century 131 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: where they claimed that the parents were trying to inhibit 132 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: what they called the plasticity of the child and that 133 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: they wanted to control that in the school system. And 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: that seemed intriguing to me. So when I went and 135 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: investigated that and realized it's how important this was. I 136 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: remember when I left Pelett Packard was the tech company 137 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I worked for, and I left, a lot of the 138 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: people in the department were confused as to why I 139 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: would go between this discipline and then what they saw 140 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: was kind of a place for yellow pencils and eracers 141 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. They didn't realize I don't think 142 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the level of cultural import that comes from this very 143 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: key area of society. You know, it's fascinating because I think, 144 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: probably I share almost exactly the critique the two of 145 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: you have about what happened and why it happened and 146 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: what we have to do about it. You've done far 147 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: more work than I have on what has to get fixed. 148 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: But one of the things you bring up that I 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: think is kind of fascinating is the way in which 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: classrooms have changed over the last two generations. Can you 151 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: expand on that? Well, yes, classrooms, particularly right after the 152 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: takeover by the Progressives between nineteen fifteen and nineteen forty, 153 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: the classrooms shifted from looking to a basis of thought 154 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: rooted in Christianity, to a basis of thought they had 155 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of sidelined it into kind of an Americana. This 156 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: was an early tactic of the Progressives to realign. You know, 157 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: you couldn't take a populace and say we're going to 158 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: base education on something different than Christianity. They had to say, 159 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: we got to put something in its place. So they 160 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: put the kind of American padea in its place, where 161 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: we call the American Padeia and then of course over 162 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: the couple of decades they've removed that completely and put 163 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: in a cultural Marxist pidea. So that's where Pete's work 164 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: picked up, was kind of where the American and Carst 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: Marxist pidea were infused into the system. Yeah, and they 166 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,239 Speaker 1: studied successful political efforts previous to that, even eighteen seventies. 167 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: A name I didn't know before we started this project 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Francis Willard. She was a socialist feminist of the eighteen 169 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: seventies who hated alcohol consumption. So she created the third 170 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: grade anti alcohol curriculum in eighteen seventies, and sure enough, 171 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: forty years later, there's a constitutional amendment that prohibits the 172 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: consumption of alcohol and the distribution thereof How do you 173 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: get from third grade curriculum to a constitutional amendment? The 174 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: Progressives studied what was done in the eighteen seventies and said, 175 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: it is the plasticity of the mind of the child. 176 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: It is the pidea, the vision of a good life. 177 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: It's what we teach them at their youngest age, which 178 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: will give them their virtues later on in life. We 179 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: need to replicate that. The Lincoln quote I use often 180 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: is the philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation becomes 181 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: the philosophy of government in the next. I think progressives 182 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: identified that very early on, which is why we're seeing 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: to bring it fast forward to today. We're seeing gender 184 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: pronouns and all of that going down to the third grade, 185 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: second grade, first grade level, because the sooner they can 186 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: get them questioning even their very own identity as a 187 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: man or a woman, or a boy or a girl, 188 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: the more malleable they are with every single aspect of 189 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: their progressive experiment. Here's the thing. They wrote it down. 190 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: It wasn't a secret. They talked about what they wanted 191 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: to remove. God was the first thing, and David's right. 192 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: They replaced it with values that didn't seem too foreign 193 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: to most Americans so the parents wouldn't revolt. And then 194 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: once that wasn't needed anymore, they rejected that too. Hi, 195 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: this is newt I will be on talk shoplive dot 196 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: com Monday, June twenty at six pm Eastern, and I'll 197 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: be offering autograph copies of my new book, Defeating Big Government, Socialism, 198 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Saving America's Future. 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I hope you'll join me. 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I'll be curious that the two of you to react 205 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: to this, But I've been very struck with the degree 206 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: to which in the Ten Commandments thou shalt have no 207 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: other God before me is in fact explicitly violated by 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: this effort to put humans at the center and basically 209 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: eliminate God. And I've really wondered whether we didn't make 210 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: a huge mistake in taking some kind of prayer, maybe 211 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: a student prayer, for some recognition of our subordination to God, 212 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: out of the classroom, because the whole notion, now that 213 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: I am like a God, I can decide my sex, 214 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: I can decide who I am, I can decide how 215 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: I want to live. But I'm curious how the two 216 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: of you respond to that whole notion that you're really 217 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: dealing with kind of a secular religion, which is almost 218 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: the very definition of what the Ten Commandments prohibited. I 219 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: think you're right on. I haven't heard a better description 220 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: of it, and that to me is the baseline. It 221 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: is a fundamental disagreement over the understanding of human nature 222 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: and our sinful nature and our fallen nature. And when 223 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: you look at all the progressive activists that influenced American education, 224 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,479 Speaker 1: to a man and to a woman, they were all atheists, 225 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: or if not, they were socialists and Marxists, and they 226 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: believe that man was perfectable through enough instruction or malleability, 227 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: and that utopia was possible. Now they use words like equity, 228 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: but it's all based in creating alternate religious system. Ultimately, 229 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: you're believing in something. Now today it's religion of climate 230 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: change and that we are God's over what happens to 231 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: the temperature. But it's always been that. It's always been 232 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: a rejection of faith, which is why that's the first 233 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: thing they targeted and removed. And then later on to 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: your point, mister speaker, the Supreme Court did the work 235 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: for them as a reflection of the culture in removing 236 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Bible reading and prayer, even silent prayer at lunchtime from school. 237 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: And at that point, their consolidation of the view that 238 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the wall of separation of Church and state is absolute 239 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: in every realm, was complete, and they've only consolidated from there. David, 240 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: what's your reflection on that. I echo what Pete just said, 241 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: and of course I think you're right on. And to 242 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: Peach's point earlier, this is why they were taking little 243 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: kids to drag queen events, right. The idea here is 244 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: to build in a basic set of assumptions about what 245 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: is good in this world, and then from that building 246 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: block they can build up a different kind of Piday 247 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: that is entirely committed to atheistic autonomy and identity. So 248 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties when I was in school, 249 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: we're still seeing the unfolding of this. Now it's full throated, 250 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: and it's full throated because we have completely strip mind 251 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: every ounce of God out of the assumption set that 252 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: our kids are living with. And so whatever you do 253 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: with them at home and taking them to school, you 254 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: get six days of indoctrination in the other direction, with 255 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: a seventh day, of course, being Sunday. And there's a 256 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: famous quote we use in the book from Charles Potter, 257 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: who is one of the colleagues of Dewey who invented 258 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: our system, where he says, give me the kids for 259 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: six days a week and you can have your one 260 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: day a week in Sunday school, because it's not going 261 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: to matter. And that's exactly what happened. That was in 262 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: about nineteen thirty four that he said that why do 263 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: you think they are such committed either atheist or agnostics, 264 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: when what's at the core of this movement. I think 265 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it's clearly Marxism. Marxism in the economic sense is what 266 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: conservatives leveled our barrels against for the first half of 267 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, and we ignored the cultural aspects of 268 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: Marxism because Marx, of course said that religion was the 269 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: opiate of the people, and what he meant by that 270 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: was he was advocating kind of a rising up and 271 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: a revolt by people against the capitalists. But that wasn't happening. 272 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: So what's the explanation for why that wasn't happening? Because 273 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: they were trapped in their commitment to Christianity, and therefore 274 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: they needed to remove Christianity in order from Marxist ideas 275 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: to rise. And now we are seeing that in spades. 276 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: In that context, what I'm struck with is that you've 277 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: had this wave of attitude's value, etc. That just doesn't work. 278 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got an enormous level of suicides, an 279 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: enormous level of drug overdoses, you have the kind of 280 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: killings we've been watching and talking about recently. You have 281 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: vastly more killings at a personal level in every major 282 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: city in America. And you have people being produced from 283 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: schools who can't hold down a job, can't even find 284 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a job, don't know how to do math, can't read. 285 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: What point does it sink in that this has been 286 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: an experiment that is a disaster, both for the individuals 287 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: who are trapped in it and for the country. It's 288 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: a really interesting question because they're able to outsource responsibility 289 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: or accountability by always saying, you know, we're a few 290 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: years away, or just one equitable move, or a couple 291 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: of billion dollars away from that utopia. Progress is coming, 292 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: We're moving toward progress. You saw the rejection of the 293 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: DA in San Francisco chesso Bunino, an avowed Marxist. They said, 294 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to live amongst needles and 295 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: amongst criminals, and liberal voters with a residual understanding of 296 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: believing that America is still a good place. Old school 297 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: liberals who are not avowed socialists who came out of 298 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: education systems in the sixties and seventies, which, while far 299 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: from perfect and still already captured by the left, at 300 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: least had a osmosis, in my opinion, kind of like 301 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: when I went to high school in eighties and nineties, 302 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: there was still this appreciation to osmosis of you know, 303 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: America is good and capitalism may not be perfect, but 304 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: it's our system, and let's celebrate the founders and teach basics. 305 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: People can still think freely and there's critical reasoning there. 306 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: The scary part to me is if and when we 307 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: pump out twenty to thirty years from now a generation 308 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: of people who are completely captured by an atheistic, woke worldview, 309 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: who continue to want to burn it down and don't 310 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: even have that reflex or understanding, certainly of God, certainly 311 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: of America even being a good place. Now we're in 312 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: a situation where those types of about faces are don't 313 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: even feel possible because you don't have a populace equipped 314 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: to critically assess enough how we got there, and therefore 315 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: at the whims of a demagogue who's always pointing the 316 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: finger at the next bad guy, who's the reason why 317 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: we got in this particular place, and never pointing back 318 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: to truth. You know the political arena better than we do, 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: mister speaker. I mean, politically, it's going to create opportunities 320 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: in the near term for conservatives because they can't deliver 321 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: the utopia, they always deliver hell. Instead, they promise heaven 322 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: and deliver hell. The question we're trying to answer is 323 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: what does it look like thirty forty years down the 324 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: line when we're producing generations of kids that hate America 325 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: and never knew God in the first place. Well, and 326 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: I think to your point what politics, The entire COVID 327 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: experience with virtual classrooms led parents to be end to 328 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: realize how sick the schools had become. And I think 329 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: that Glenn Yngkun, for example, won the gownership of Virginia 330 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: in part because parents were getting really fed up with 331 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: the kind of left wing anti religious propaganda that they 332 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: were discovering. I mean, to what extent do you think 333 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: this exposure of parents to how bad the schools are 334 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: and how bad the things that are being taught. How 335 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: big a factor is that, David and I call it 336 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: the COVID sixteen nineteen moment. And it's that moment that 337 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: two things happened at once that ended up being fortuitous 338 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: for our movement of waking parents up. And that was 339 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: lockdowns that sent kids into their homes with laptops to 340 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: do school over zoom, right about the time that the 341 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: educational industrial complex got confident enough to come out and 342 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: just say it. You know, boys are not boys, girls 343 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: are not girls. America's founding date is evil. Sixteen nineteen 344 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: is the new founding date. If you're white, you're an oppressor. 345 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: If you're black, you're oppressed. And everyone needs to be 346 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: an anti racist. And oh, by the way, the streets 347 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: are on fire with BLM riots and no one's being 348 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: held accountable and our statues are being pulled down. At 349 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: the same time, every single parent looked around and said 350 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: it can't be this bad, is it? And they were 351 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: forced to confront what we had outsourced and barely knew. 352 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you see the reactions of teachers 353 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: who are like, don't tell your parents, or parents don't 354 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: get a say here, I'm your daddy here, because that 355 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: had been a large part of the ethos in a 356 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: lot of places we can get away with it at 357 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: school because parents aren't paying attention and it's what we're 358 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: told to teach, and this is a massive opportunity for 359 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: a correction. And what I love about working with David 360 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: On is the worst moment of America's educational life was 361 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies when classical Christian education was completely buried. 362 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: There were zero schools in America that were classical Christian schools. 363 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: Today there are over four hundred. You've got online options, 364 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: you've got homeschool options, you've got virtual options. They're out 365 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: there if you want to find if you can find it, 366 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: and they're affordable. So the goal of this book is 367 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: to raise the awareness and also hopefully build a movement 368 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: of an alternate pipeline. Our thesis is that saving the 369 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: public schools at this point isn't going to save our 370 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: country and isn't going to create the types of future 371 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: citizens we need to save it. So there's a tactical 372 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: retreat needed to create a whole other ecosystem of young 373 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: people who are fortified to think critically, love God, and 374 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: understand reasoning and make the case for it, and then 375 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: fill the country with those folks and see what happens, 376 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: and that's what David is doing with his network of 377 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: schools and why I think there's a huge solution aspect 378 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: of this book. Could I chime in real quick with 379 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: an inside story here? That's kind of interesting. Certainly it 380 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: shows me the providence of God. So Pete called me 381 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: originally in March of twenty twenty, so you know, obviously 382 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: COVID hadn't really hit yet, there wasn't this focus on education, 383 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: and Pete carried the flag because he personally believed in 384 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: the project into Fox, and Fox went ahead and produced 385 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: the Fox Nation special Miseducation, and I kind of felt 386 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: early on, I think Pete did too, that this was 387 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: a nice project that Fox had agreed to do kind 388 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: of as a favor more than anything else. And then 389 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: the longer we were working on the project with our 390 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: producer John Casey kept calling in going did you see 391 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: what they're doing now in the schools? Did you see? 392 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: It's like the story wrote itself over the next two years. 393 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: And so it's just such a blessing to see that 394 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: this thing sort of emerged by happenstance in a two 395 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: year project between Pete and I. Because the environment formed 396 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: up around us. One of the things you guys have 397 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: the I had not seen, and I think it's just 398 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: so well. I've got to read this and then ask 399 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: you too to come and do you note that. In 400 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty one, a North Korean defector who 401 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: had become a Columbia University graduate said, quote, even North 402 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: Korea is not that nuts When talking about Ivy League education, 403 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: she continued, saying, the United States future quote is as 404 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: bleak as North Korea unless our self loathing education system 405 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: is overhauled. I mean, talk about a condemnation that is 406 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: just mind blowing. I mean, do you find people and 407 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: that's when it's aren't getting awake to how bad this is, 408 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: I hope so. I mean it takes people who have 409 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: seen it firsthand to appreciate a gathering storm. And that's 410 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: why it's often immigrants or people who fled countries like 411 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: that who recognize the lunacy that we're kind of used 412 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: to at this point and say no, no, no no, this 413 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: is what's coming. But even someone like Max Horkheimer or 414 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: Herbert Recusa of the Frankfurt School, you know, they talked 415 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: about using tolerance until they eventually wrote the famous article 416 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: repressive tolerance, saying, well, once we have power, the idea 417 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: is to repress ideas that are ampathetical to our social justice. 418 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: They've always exposed and but been willing to talk about 419 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: who they are. They just haven't always had This is 420 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: a phrase we use in the book, such control over 421 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: the commanding heights of culture and education that they could 422 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of do it with impunity. And now they're saying 423 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: out in the open what they would have whispered about 424 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: in a pastor wished for in the past. And as 425 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: a result, I think that's a big part of this 426 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: note is that people still kind of think it's mostly 427 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: a university thing, like our universities are crazy, they've lost 428 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: our mind and they are as that defector pointed out, 429 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell my neighbors and others like, no, no, no, 430 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: this is our school district tier too. And it feels 431 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: lighter and it's quieter and it's subtler, and they deny 432 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: their critical race theory, and yeah they're teaching the gender 433 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: stuff but it's not pronounced yet, but it's all going 434 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: there and none of it reinforces what you believe in, 435 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: so I know, you pay property taxes. But what's more 436 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: important to you, you know, paying a little bit more intuition, 437 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: or making a change, or taking a second job or 438 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: having to undo is David said, everything that's taught to 439 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: your kids over the course of what we call the 440 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand hour war, because that's how many hours kids 441 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: are in school between K through twelve. So I do 442 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: think we have a moment, but we have to be realistic. 443 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: You did policy for decades, you still do. This is 444 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: not a matter of a little bit of school choice 445 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: here and a governor block in this here that's going 446 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: to get it done. The educational industrial complex, the unions, 447 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: the teachers, colleges, the universities, they have totally captured that space. 448 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: To us, it's a tactical retreat and building a whole 449 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: nother pipeline that gives us a fighting chance. What has 450 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: become the role of the teachers unions as enforces of 451 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: secular left wing militancy. Yeah, the teachers unions are obviously 452 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: exhibit number one in the trial that pet and I 453 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: would like to have about the public school system. But 454 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: I think we also see that there's an infrastructure that 455 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: goes from the accredit adation system, the state standards statutes 456 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: in the States, teacher certification administrator certification, graduation standards, and 457 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: the teachers unions who are driving all in the same direction. 458 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: All of these aspects of the educational industrial complex are 459 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: saying this is what education is, this is the direction 460 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: we're going, and even Christian schools have a hard time 461 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: escaping that and probably don't. Yeah, teachers are the enforcers 462 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: at this point, the speaker. I mean, they're the ones 463 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: on the front lines that will hold the signs and 464 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: intimidate based on whatever the thing of the moment is, 465 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: the ruling orthodoxy of the progressive elite, of what the 466 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: woke bop says acceptable or important. They're the ones sent 467 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: out of the front lines to play defense on that. 468 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: And the thing is they're hand in glove with the 469 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: modern Democrat Party, and they're very well funded, and they 470 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: play politics, and they play hardball, and they've got to 471 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: be a focus of any real larger macro education reform. 472 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: And you know this better than we do. Public sector 473 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: unions never should have been out in the first place. 474 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: It's something we should be targeting if we want to 475 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: liberate kids too. So, David, part of what I find 476 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: interesting about those partnership. Is it you're not just a 477 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: critic of the current system, but you're a creator of 478 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: the alternative system. And you're a president of the Association 479 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: of Classical Christian Schools. Can you walk the rest of 480 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: us through the whole notion of how big is this organization? 481 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: What is a classical Christian education? And what is it 482 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: the parents and grandparents should be looking for when they 483 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: started looking at these kinds of schools. Yes, I'd be 484 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: glad to think back in about nineteen eighty a pastor 485 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: looked at the Christian school options and the public school options. 486 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: He didn't want his kids in the public school because 487 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: he didn't think that you could raise children with a 488 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: godless education. And the Christian schools that he looked at 489 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: had bifurcated and they had social studies and all of 490 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: the secular subjects in one classroom, and then they would 491 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: have a Bible study or chapel. So he wanted to 492 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: integrate the two, and he found an essay written by 493 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: Worthy Sayers back in the nineteen forties. Sayers was a 494 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: contemporary and friend of C. S. Lewis and other famous thinkers. 495 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: She was obviously famous in her own right for writing 496 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: mystery novels. But she wrote this essay and said that 497 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: we have forgotten classical education, which were the seven liberal arts. 498 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: And she expressed the first three the trivium, which our grammar, logic, 499 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: and rhetoric, and how those helped develop a child's ability 500 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: to think for themselves and to discern truth. And she 501 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: has some great quotes that we have in our book. 502 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Where a world of media and indoctrination are president everywhere, 503 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: these three skills of grammar, logic, and rhetoric helped as 504 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: child grow up to be able to address that. So 505 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: he started a school. The school was popularized by about 506 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. He wrote a book called Recovering the 507 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: Law Schools of Learning, and then they launched the association 508 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm now president of. Quickly grew to around two hundred 509 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: and then in the next two decades it went to 510 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: four hundred, and we had over a hundred schools joined 511 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: last year. And to join us you have to be 512 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: our type of school. You can't just join us. You 513 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: have to teach Latin and great books and have a 514 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: certain Christian basis. It's a process, it takes some time, 515 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: but it's exploding at this point, and we're trying to 516 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with the growth. If people 517 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: are on the country wanted to explore creating a Classical 518 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Christian school in the area, how would they get in 519 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: touch with you? Classical Christian dot org org. Classical Christian 520 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: dot org is the association site. That's where we put 521 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: up all the resources to help schools get started. We 522 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: have a program for that, and then the Classical Difference 523 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: dot Org, as we mentioned earlier, is the public affairs 524 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: wing of our association that helps parents understand what we 525 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: do and work with it at home. There's also homeschool 526 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: organizations and others besides the association and help in this arena. 527 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: No one really owns classical education. It's a system that 528 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: existed for two thousand years. So we're just here to 529 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: try and help breeze the skids. But as I understand 530 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: it in the Association of Classical Christian Schools that the 531 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: students who graduate from the member of schools pretty consistently 532 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: outperform public schools on standardized tests. Yeah, we even surprised 533 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: ourselves a bit on that one. A few years ago 534 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: we hired the University of Notre Dame to conduct a 535 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: study of our graduates and send them thousands of names 536 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: for them to look and see how they compare. That 537 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: study is on the Classical Difference website. It's called good Soil. 538 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: I won't go into it too much here, but the 539 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: stark differences between classically educated students and conventionally educated students 540 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: in five categories public schools, prep schools, Catholic schools, Christian schools, 541 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: and homeschools. There were six different types of schools in 542 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: the study, and it will show you the differences. It's amazing. 543 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Let me remind everybody by the way, that you have 544 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: the program that said, Fox Nation, which has really become 545 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: quite a system in its own right. Can you take 546 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: ustement of Peten tell Us about the growth of Fox 547 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: Nation itself, because I'm fascinated how CNN tried this and 548 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: collapse totally and you're really breaking through. Yeah, because, mister speaker, 549 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, what everyone wanted was a little bit more CNN. 550 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: You know that was clearly what the market was calling for. Yeah, 551 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: you know what it is. First of all, Fox is 552 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: already counterprogramming at Fox News, doing everything that the rest 553 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: of the media doesn't do. And then second of all, 554 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: Fox Nation is able to go deeper on all the 555 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: subjects that we care about. So take this subject of education. 556 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: I can do a three minute segment on Fox and 557 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: Friends and that's great. Or I can go out and 558 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: do dozens of interviews with really smart people and explore 559 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: a topic that deserves to be explored and creates content 560 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: that our viewers can't get anywhere else Where Else are 561 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: you going to get the one hundred year secret takeover 562 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: of our k through twelve classroom with the ability to 563 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: promote it so people see it. It doesn't exist on 564 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: the freethinking conservative side of the aisle. So whether it's 565 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: patriotism or education or faith. I mean, mister speaker, I 566 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: just got back from Israel. I was there for ten days. 567 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 1: We're doing a two part special on the life of Jesus. 568 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: I went with my pastor from my local church, who 569 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: talked about the gospel application of each location. It's the 570 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: content that Netflix and all these other spots are never 571 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: gonna do, and they're never gonna touch because they live 572 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: in the same woke waters and people are thirsting for 573 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: truth and for investigation, and for honesty and for patriotism. 574 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: I think the Fox Nation does a pretty darn good 575 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: job of that, and this book comes in partnership with 576 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: that series. It just goes even deeper on that. But 577 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: I want to say one of the thing, David's schools 578 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: are a game changer. My kids go to them. It's 579 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: the education I never got. They are joyful, they are disciplined. 580 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean the history that they teach. That's what makes 581 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: them so different. They study history all the way through, 582 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: three times over the maturity level of these kids at 583 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: the Faith, they are what school should look like, and 584 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: that's why we advocate for them so hard. Do you 585 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: two make quite a partnership. It's very, very impressive. I 586 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: want to congratulate both of you on both the book 587 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: and on the TV series. It's quite an achievement. Now 588 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: this is your fourth book. You've also written in the 589 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: Arena American Crusade, Our Fight to Stay Free and Modern Warriors, 590 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Real stories from real heroes. And now the two of 591 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you have a book, Battle for the American Mind, uprooting 592 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: a century of Miseducation, which I think is a tremendous 593 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: contribution to the dialogue about how we need to reform 594 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: our schools and the fact that parents do have alternative choices. 595 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: They're not trapped into having their children go into places 596 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: where they'll be taught by an agnostic or atheistic secular mind. 597 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I want to thank both of you for taking the 598 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: time to join us today. 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