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Speaker 1: Welcome to steph you missed in History class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Lately, one

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Speaker 1: of the projects I've been working on for our podcast

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Speaker 1: of our past shows uh in. An unexpected side effect

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Speaker 1: of this is that I keep adding people and events

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Speaker 1: to my short list of things to talk about as

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Speaker 1: I stumble upon things that happened on a particular day.

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Speaker 1: One of those tidbits is that on May three, n two,

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Speaker 1: that was the first time the Kentucky Derby was nationally televised.

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Speaker 1: That piece of knowledge set me down a Kentucky Derby

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Speaker 1: Although horse racing in general has been around much longer

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Speaker 1: than the Kentucky Derby has, including in the United States,

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Speaker 1: the Derby itself has become the nation's most famous and

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Speaker 1: prestigious horse race event, and sort of like Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Sunday and some circles, the first Saturday in May has

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Speaker 1: become a huge production, even among people who don't normally

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Speaker 1: pay attention the horse racing at all. For the rest

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Speaker 1: of the year, more than a hundred and sixty thousand

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Speaker 1: people watched the derby in person at Churchill Downs, with

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Speaker 1: more than fifteen million watching it on the TV. Our

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Speaker 1: past host Sarah and Bublina talked us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the overall Kentucky Derby history and their twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: episode on jockey Jimmy Winkfield. So today we're going to

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Speaker 1: Saturday after this podcast comes out, the Kentucky Derby is

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Speaker 1: going to be run for the hundred and forty third time.

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Speaker 1: That is way too much history for thirty minutes. So

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Speaker 1: what we're really who are really going to focus on

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Speaker 1: is the races first fifty years, which really established the

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Speaker 1: things that have become the cultural hallmarks about it today.

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Speaker 1: Horse racing, of course, is one of mankind's oldest sports.

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Speaker 1: It's been around for so long that we actually can't

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Speaker 1: conclusively pinpoint its origins, but chariot races and races of

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Speaker 1: ancient Greece. In Europe, Asia and Northern Africa, cultures that

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Speaker 1: racing traditions going back thousands of years. In the America's

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Speaker 1: indigenous peoples, particularly in the plains, developed their own racing traditions.

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Speaker 1: The existence of horse racing has also led to the

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Speaker 1: development of racing specific breeds of horses. One of those

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Speaker 1: breeds is the Thoroughbred, which originated in England. Thoroughbreds can

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Speaker 1: are known as the Darly Arabian, the Go Dolphin arabia

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Speaker 1: In and the Byerley Turk. Once the Thoroughbred breed was established,

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Speaker 1: racist specifically, four thoroughbreds followed. Traditionally, a Derby is a

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Speaker 1: race for three year old thoroughbreds open to both colts

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Speaker 1: and phillies. Whether gilded horses are eligible can actually vary.

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Speaker 1: The first Derby was named for its host, the twelfth

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Speaker 1: Earl's nearby estate. As a side note, we do know

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Speaker 1: that the race is pronounced Derby in Britain. We are

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Speaker 1: not in Britain. It is pronounced Derby here. But now

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Speaker 1: I will think of the Kentucky Derby. Is the Kentucky Derby,

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Speaker 1: Because of this connection to the aristocracy and all of

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Speaker 1: and often lavish celebrations that run alongside prist just horse racing,

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Speaker 1: By the end of the seventeen hundreds, the race at

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Speaker 1: continued to be an annual tradition, the Kentucky Derby run

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Speaker 1: series of annual turf festivities of which we confidently expect

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Speaker 1: full morning dress was required and the ladies were encouraged

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Speaker 1: fashion and the very practical protection from the sun. Although

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Speaker 1: Within a decade, the Kentucky Derby had built a solid

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Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety four, the Louisville Jockey Club, which was

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Speaker 1: one Merywether Lewis Clark Jr. Who they convinced to stay

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Speaker 1: It was this new ownership that financed the building of

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Speaker 1: was completed in eight This was larger, it once again

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Speaker 1: City by Virginia's Dabney. Yes, this book about Richmond history

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Speaker 1: is indeed written by a Virginia's. Our copy for me

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Speaker 1: used bookstore is signed and dedicated with quote the most

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Speaker 1: cordial good Wishes, which I find to like. However, I

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Speaker 1: po historians and enthusiasts. Anyway, I thought it was very

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Speaker 1: interesting that both Whitman and Poe were present in person

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what influence Lafayette had on Poe as

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Speaker 1: but I still thought it fascinating. Thanks for all you do,

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Speaker 1: best regards, Mallory. Thank you so much, Mallory. I did

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Speaker 1: not know that. Me and I Holly. Yeah, you and

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Speaker 1: I Holly have definitely not ever mentioned that on the show.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that prior hosts have because I know there

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Speaker 1: are some things about PO and the archive, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that that whole tour that Lafayette

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Speaker 1: me that like, would like to do an episode about it,

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Speaker 1: to do with Hamilton's, should not be another episode about

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Speaker 1: a dude, because so far, in terms of the episodes

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Speaker 1: like Eddie Zard mentioned Lafayette's tour in one of his shows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would not surprise me, No, he's big on history.

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Speaker 1: all super interesting. So anyway, Lafayette, I just wanted to

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