1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. So right after that happened, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: you got me on my side, and it was taking 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of time for the epidural to really take. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I was having a lot of pain in one hip, 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: and then Rebecca the pain subsided, and Rebecca put me 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: in something I will never forget. You put me in 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: something called Goddess Pose. Explain what that is. It's actually 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: thrown thrown position. Yeah, I will never forget it, forget 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: exactly what it was called. You guys, thank you so 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: much for coming back to Katie's Crib. This is a very, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: very exciting episode. I have to two of the greatest 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: loves of my life here for you today. I thought, 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: how could we go into season four of Katie's Crib 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: and not give you Vera Shapiro's birth story, what at 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: and who else but the two people who were in 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: the room with me, my husband Adam Shapiro. Let's all 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: give a nice round of applause, and then also the 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: dula that you know and love from season one. I 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: think the first episode of Katie's Crib. Yeah, I think 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: the one the only Rebecca Bennonatti is here. And let 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: me just tell you very quickly, I'm not giving Adam 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Shapiro's credits. You can look him up on IMDb or 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Shappy Pretzel dot com. But Rebecca Bennonatti has been in 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: the business of health and fitness since show Wow, Gosh, Rebecca, 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: you look amazing. I can't. She has an extensive experience 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: in yoga, personal training, massage, a Roman therapy, meditation. Rebecca 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: is a certified DULA. She's studied with Dulas of North 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: America International approved DULA trainers Anna Paula Marquel and Judy Chapman. 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: She currently teaches the Comfort Measures segment of DUELA Trainings 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: at Beanie Birth and Sherman Oaks. She's also a wellness 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: advocate for Dotera Essential Oils, which is the greatest. She's 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: the mother of two. She's I mean, there's just no 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: one word to define what you are to my family's life. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: So thank you for being on Katie's crib and guys 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: hill of that, thank you. Do you guys even remember 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: Vera's birth because she's four months old and it's gone. 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: It was so beautiful, Don't get me wrong, it was 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: literally the greatest day of my life. But it was 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: boring in terms of anything traumatic or something that might 41 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: stick out when you're in the birthing season that Rebecca 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: is currently in. But also we were right before the 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: first holiday at the end of the pandemic year. You 44 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of worry and concern about holidays We're 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: going to go because your family was coming. So there 46 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: was really um. You know, there was a lot to 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: keep me personally from not remembering all the details because 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: for me, the birth itself was what it was, but 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: it was everything leading up to it. It was a pandemic, 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: and what you were going through and what you were anxiety, 51 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: that's what I really remember. And so I think this 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: is actually going to be very healing to talk about 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: this because, as you both know, I've been wanting to 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: have this conversation for a while birth so we could connect. 55 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: This is our postpartum visits. Yeah, okay, So when you 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: have a duelah, you also a lot of people as 57 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: part of the package, you get a postpart and visit 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: where you really like Assassin, go through how the birth 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: was for you and all of that. And me Adam 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: and Rebecca have not yet had time to schedule ours, 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: so you guys are all getting to hear it in 62 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: real time. Let's start with you, Adam, how is the 63 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: pregnancy for you? Wow? I don't know. It was weird. 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: I guess you know. I was one of the lucky 65 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: few baby daddies to be able to spend twenty four 66 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: seven with my wife for her entire pregnant. And see, 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean how many guys can say that, right? I 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't go on a trip for business nothing, so I 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: got to see the entire year pregnancy. It was a lot. 70 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: It was a lot to handle. I think we were 71 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: both very freaked out about the pandemic and how it 72 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: was gonna if I get the virus and give it 73 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: to Katie and then if she gets to the baby. 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: We we just we still don't really know exactly all 75 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the details behind that. Um, well, we do. We know 76 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: that babies are mostly fine, thank god. Knock on wood. 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: I mean, none of us are doctors who don't quote us. 78 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: But what we didn't know is Adam and I got 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: pregnant around March eight, so literally a week before shut down. 80 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: And what was scary about finding out that we were 81 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: pregnant so early on in the pandemic was yes to 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: your thoughts at him, was that no one knew how 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: COVID affected pregnant women. No one knew how covid affected 84 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: fetuses early on, or how it could affect the pregnancy, 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: what drugs you could take if you got it. It 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: was the baby safe in the womb. I mean, it 87 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: was total fear and anxiety, and Adam, really you were 88 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: the rock, I would say, because you were not as 89 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: scared as I was. You weren't dealing with the chemical 90 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: and hormonal and balances of pregnancy. That's true, so I 91 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: guess that would be the name of the game for 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: this pregnancy. For me was just basically being there for you. 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what else I would do even if 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't a pandemic. That's probably my job, but this 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: was gig and I'm misnavigating the pregnancy during a pandemic. 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: You also were figuring out how to have your toddler 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: home every single day all day. Nowhere no outlets for 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: his energy. So Adam is definitely you were definitely the 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: rock in this pregnancy. The way you were holding it 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: all down for hormones and toddlers and starting your business 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and all the things that were going on in your household. 102 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: Is amazing what you did. Yes. Yeah, Also, to everyone 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: who's listening doesn't know, Adam started a pretzel business during 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: the pandemic called Shappy Pretzel. It's still funny to even 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: hear that sentence. Adam started a pretzel business during the pandemic. 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: It's like Peter Piper picked a peck of It's a 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: pretzel pop up. It's a pandemic pretzel pop up. So 108 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: he was really also having this incredible joyous thing happening 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, where I was feeling very isolated, feeling 110 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: very anxious about getting sick, feeling very anxious about having Albi, 111 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: who's a challenging toddler home and not able to go 112 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: to school and not able to go to jungle gyms 113 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Adam was off doing pretzels in 114 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: a safe way. But we were having different pandemic experiences. 115 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: And then, Rebecca, how would you explain my pregnancy? Phone calls, texts, 116 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 1: FaceTime freak outs to you during the pandemic. I remember 117 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: the first call I got was from Adam. It was 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: a tex saying can I talk to you? And and yeah, 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: that was a start and that's when I knew, oh, 120 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: Katie might be pregnant. So sure enough, Adam and I 121 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: got on the phone and he said, we're pregnant, and 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: Katie's really freaking out, not necessarily about the pregnancy at all, 123 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: but because we were in the beginnings of the pandemic. 124 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: So that was really the start of all the phone calls. 125 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: Was that first phone call I had with you. You 126 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: were letting me know that you were freaking out, You 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: were nervous, you were anxious, and we were all trying 128 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: to figure out what we were supposed to be doing 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: to be safe. All the rest of the text messages, 130 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: aside from doing prenatal yoga with me and being able 131 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to see you on camera knowing that you were actually 132 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: okay and doing something to take care of yourself, the 133 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: text messages and phone calls were very anxiety written. That 134 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: was the one word that I would use in all 135 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: honesty and out of respect for what you went through. 136 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: You were super anxious. I wanted to ask Adam, was 137 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: there any sing that you struggled with around Vera's birth, 138 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: like having Albie by yourself and and and trying to 139 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: cover for me when I was having anxiety attacks. Yeah, 140 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: I think the hardest thing for me was when we 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: were pregnant with Albie. It was just the two of us, 142 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: and this was a completely different thing where I had 143 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: to keep Albie entertained and away from you when you 144 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: were feeling really low, which was a lot of the time. 145 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: And so I think that was probably the most challenging 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: thing for me, was handling Albi during this whole thing. 147 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: And but some really cool things came out of that. 148 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: Because we cooked a lot, and I was cooking so much, 149 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: I had to involve Albie and we got like a 150 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: stool for him to stand on all the cooks and 151 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: I got little kids cooking things. And that's what inspired 152 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: me to make a soft pretzel for Albie, and then 153 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: that turned into a company. And not to mention, you know, 154 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: for the first forty days of your pregnancy, I think 155 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: I set up a goal to make a little movie 156 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: with Albi every day. I was just trying to find 157 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: ways of involving Albion things that we're gonna I was 158 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: going to enjoy doing as well, and not just do 159 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: like outbe kid activities, make movies, make meals and things 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: like that. That was probably the most challenging part about 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: it all, and then not being around people to have 162 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: done all of this in quarantine was the hardest thing. 163 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: So that was very and I'm just personally learning how 164 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: to ask for help when I need it. That's just 165 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: been such a huge thing for me in my life. 166 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: And luckily Rebecca is like the easiest person. For hell, 167 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, you don't feel awkward, and I know 168 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: that I can text her like I did in the 169 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: in the beginning, just saying hey, I need to talk 170 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: to you, and She's like, give me two minutes and 171 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: then I'll give you from midnight till six am. You 172 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like whatever you need. So she 173 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: and I got to talk in the middle of the 174 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: night while you were sleeping sleep crying, and we were 175 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: in the kitchen having that conversation, and I think that 176 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: was huge. I remember giving Adam a FaceTime lesson and 177 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: how to do raiky on you to get you super 178 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: calm and relaxed one night, and again Adam stepped right 179 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: in and right up and was like, what am I doing? 180 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: What is this called? I said, don't just put your 181 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: hands here and leave them there? Am I a racky 182 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: master now? And not quite but you nailed it. It's 183 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: interesting because technology can funk with the vibe of what 184 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: you're trying to do, especially what Rebecca does with pregnancy 185 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: and and yoga, and it's there's a screen and it's bright. 186 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: And she coached me through before while even walking into 187 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: the room with you, Katie, like how to turn the 188 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: lights off, dip my phone down, put the phone somewhere 189 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: that wasn't in your eyes, and that she was just 190 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: going to give me physical thumbs up. And also what 191 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: was amazing is that you didn't even ask questions. You 192 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: just did exactly what I asked you to do. And 193 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: I was so willing to, of course jump over with 194 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: masks on and do whatever I needed to do to 195 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: do the rate theme myself, but we were all too 196 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: scared and we couldn't. We were supposed to be around 197 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: each other at all. Even playing the edge like that 198 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: felt scary to me to offer to do that, but 199 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was such a desperate thing that I 200 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: needed to have happened for you. I really think looking back, 201 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: whatever chemical, hormonal and balances were happening with me, plus 202 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic, plus the isolation, plus the toddler at home 203 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: was just a very perfect storm. I was not handling 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: it well. And I face time Rebecca that night and 205 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I said, I'm doing really badly. I want to check 206 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: myself into Cedars now. I can't do this anymore. I 207 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: can't be pregnant anymore. I'm so scared that something's going 208 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: to happen to me or the baby. And I'm so 209 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: scared of being home all the time and not seeing people. 210 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: And um, you talked me out of, like, don't check 211 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: into the hospital. Nothing is wrong. Adam can put his 212 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: hand on your chest and we're going to have lavender 213 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: scent on his hands and you're going to breathe in 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: and Adam is going to put his hands here and 215 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: I sobbed. Adam, have you ever seen me sad like that? 216 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: Just the week before we were going to open on Broadway. 217 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: I think that was the only that I had to 218 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: talk to you off of checking yourself into a hospital. 219 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: So true, jeez, Louise. Okay for context, just we opened 220 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: on Broadway and they gave us seven days of rehearsal 221 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: to sing and dance across the Broadway stage in our 222 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: entire family and friends was flying in to see us perform, 223 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: and we had never done a run of the show, 224 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: not once I and sang and dance in front of 225 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: people in fifteen years. Anyway, Yeah, that was another meltdown. Okay, 226 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: so those two and and also are you adding another one? Well, 227 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: we were both opening on Broadway that same night, so 228 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't be there for you. So that was a 229 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: very different conversation that we had, which was like, Katie, 230 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: you gotta get your ship together. I don't have time 231 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: for this. We're doing this together. I'm going to be 232 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: on the stage with you, So if I have to 233 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: improve the rest of the musical, I can do that, 234 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: but I need you to like hold it together until 235 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: we get up on that stage. This one was a 236 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: very different situation where we were not both that a 237 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: baby and I could be there for because I was 238 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: literally home doing nothing for the entire first six months 239 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: of your pregnancy. So that was a unique experience for sure. 240 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: I had not seen you like that. Oh yeah, it 241 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: was the most amount of crying that I have experienced, 242 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I have to to say, because the anxiety was that high. 243 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: I want to highlight that for a moment because for 244 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: women who cry through their entire pregnancy, you're not alone. 245 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: You don't hear of it very often. And this is 246 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: something that's so important to to get out is that 247 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: oftentimes when we're talking about pregnant, see people elaborate on 248 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: the one thing that was really hard for them, and 249 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: then it sounds just like you're highlighting the thing that 250 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: was really hard for you and not really giving it 251 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the credit that it actually deserved. Because this was real. 252 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: This was not being fabricated. This was not a stretched 253 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: out to to make it dramatic and make it sound like, oh, 254 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I cried every day. You literally cried every day. You 255 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: are anxious the entire time. I really really struggled this pregnancy, 256 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: and a huge regret I have now that I've been 257 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: on the other side and got diagnosed with postpartum depression 258 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: and anxiety and seek help. I've heard this from so 259 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: many other women now, which is they all wish they 260 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: had gotten help sooner, and look, it happened how it 261 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen. But for anyone listening who is 262 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: feeling major anxiety during their pregnancy for whatever reason, or 263 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: major major, major sadness during your pregnancy for whatever reason, 264 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: you can talk to your o B, to a therapist 265 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: or a DULA or whatever, start to really figure out 266 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: and make sure that you're taking care of yourself, because 267 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I had to have struggled like that, 268 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: now that I know. I think if it wasn't a pandemic, 269 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: you would have been out there. I just think it 270 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: was the combination of being so scared of leaving the 271 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: house and getting the virus that you didn't feel like 272 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: you had that option of getting together with people and 273 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: talking about this, and so you just decided to kind 274 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: of isolate and just get through it. But also just 275 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: to paint the setting. I mean Los Angeles in this time, 276 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: there were forty cases a day. At one I mean 277 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: I was literally reading an article, which again I stopped 278 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: reading all the news, but there was an article that 279 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: was like, if you are stepping out of your house, 280 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: you are putting yourself in danger. There was a little 281 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: election going on too. There was a little election going on. 282 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it was fucking high stress like. But you 283 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: feel bad admitting that in all honesty, because I know 284 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: there are people who are pregnant listening to this or 285 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: have been to pregnancy who had and suffered far more 286 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: with far less than I have been very privileged to 287 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: have so I definitely also felt bad because I'm like, 288 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: what why am I feeling this way? I have a 289 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: roof over my head, I have my health, I have food, 290 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: I have love, I have family, support and friends. Like 291 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: there are people you can't help, but think of all 292 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the women who come before you that have nothing you 293 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: know and have no system of support both financially mentally, 294 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: and I feel I would constantly feel bad, like why 295 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: do I feel this anxious and this scared and this sad? 296 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: When I have I'm safe and I'm okay. But sometimes 297 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: during pregnancy and post pregnancy, it doesn't have It's not rational, 298 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: it's not it's can you speak to that a little bit, Rebecca, Well, 299 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: it's just that that's the first thing I was going 300 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: to interrupt with is to say, it's not rational, but 301 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: we don't know that because it feels really real. And 302 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: that's where you do have to reach out, as hard 303 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: as it is to ask for help. There's just nothing 304 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: to do to make sense of that because it doesn't 305 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: make sense, but yet it feels like it makes sense, 306 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: and it can then start to make you feel crazy, 307 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: and then it starts to affect everybody around you, your 308 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: other children, your husband, any other work things you have 309 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: going on, and so it is I think this is 310 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: the other great thing. I feel like I'm highlighting Adam 311 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: a lot and this podcast episode, but seriously, this is 312 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: where Adam again was so incredible. When it did feel 313 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: like it was spiraling out and he couldn't do anything else, 314 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: he would reach out to me and I would give 315 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: him one thing to do or one thing to say, 316 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: or suggest some idea of something random. And we already 317 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: knew that you were seeing a therapist, so you did 318 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: have that support already. Um and your doctor. You have 319 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: a great relationship with your doctor. So aside from that 320 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: professional help that you were already getting, what was left 321 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: for me to do as your dula and your friend 322 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: was to support Adam because he had to keep going 323 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: to support you, but also to do what what you did, 324 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: which was to make sure that you were getting any 325 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: time outside in the sun in your backyard, getting some 326 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: fresh air, some vitamin D, making sure that you were eating. 327 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: And these were all things I didn't even want to 328 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: ask you because I didn't want any more overwhelm on 329 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: you at all. After you even gave birth, I really 330 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: felt so protective of you because of the amount of 331 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: anxiety you had to the point of me not sharing 332 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: things with you personally that I wouldn't typically share with 333 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: both of you, but such protection because of the amount 334 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: of anxiety. It was, thank you, what a ship show. 335 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Oh my. There are so many things that happened during 336 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: this pregnancy that were so anxiety inducing, and like I remember, 337 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: like what during the pregnancy where you and I wanted 338 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: to go out and protest with Black Lives Matter. We 339 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: wanted to go and join the protests. They were right 340 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: outside of our house, and we had to have a 341 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: conversation of like what if we go to the protests 342 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: and we get the virus? Or what if we go 343 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: to the protests and the police open up fire on 344 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: us with like Robert bullets. We can't put you in 345 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: that position as a pregnant woman, but we were feeling 346 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: like super terrible about not going out there. That's an 347 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: actual conversation that we had during your pregnancy. Like, it 348 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: was just so many levels, and it felt like every 349 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: month some sort of new challenge to navigate, and a 350 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: lot of times our answer was let's just stay home. 351 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: And you know that had its own issues. What's so 352 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: crazy about this? And hearing about how stress full and 353 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: anxious I was this entire pregnancy. My rocks were Rebecca 354 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: and Adam, and honestly, that prenatal yoga class, it's like 355 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: being in my body felt really good and felt like 356 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: a nice break that I always allowed myself no matter what. 357 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: The birth itself, which I want to get into now, 358 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: was magic, and that's what no one saw coming. A 359 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: few days before the birth, I was in Rebecca's yoga class, 360 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: and at the beginning of the yoga class, a lot 361 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: of the moms go around and share, and I started 362 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: sobbing because I said, I am so terrified of this birth. 363 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Has been a record breaking year in terms of dumpster fires, 364 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: ship storms for the world, and I am really scared 365 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: that I'm going to go into this birth and we're 366 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: not going to see something terrible coming. Well, and and 367 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: with Albie, the Las Vegas massacre happened during his birth, 368 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: we were so ready for like, okay, well, you know, 369 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: even if we make it to the hospital with nothing, 370 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: like what's going to happen? What do we what text 371 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: message we're going to get every left turn, something so 372 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: sad and horrible is happening, And like, how am I 373 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: going to skirt that of course something's gonna get sucked up. 374 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: And here's what I didn't see coming. My birth was easier, lovelier, shorter, 375 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: like I already had a magical, wonderful the birth I 376 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: wanted with my son. And I feel so blessed to 377 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: say that, because I think there are a lot of 378 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: women that don't get to say that. And I was like, 379 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm lucky enough to get that again, guys, 380 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: I got that again with fucking flying colors. Like my 381 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: birth with Vera was so wonderful. It was an induction. Again. 382 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: I had such a great experience with I'll be inducing 383 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: that I chose to induce Vera. You had a very 384 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: clear vision at that point when you knew you were 385 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: getting close, and you had decided that you wanted the 386 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: induction your vision. And I really believe that what women 387 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: say as an affirmation or as a mantra, or just 388 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: something to support themselves to get through to the day 389 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: of labor and delivery, whatever they say can often manifest. 390 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: And you were saying, do you remember what you were saying? 391 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: Over and over? What was I saying? You were saying, 392 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: I just want to be holding my daughter at the 393 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner table with my family that you said that 394 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: so many times. Her due date was Thanksgiving day, So 395 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: my options were they weren't going to let me go 396 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: much more than my do date because I'm an old hag, 397 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: but I'm a geriatric magazine, so they weren't gonna let 398 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: me go. And her due date was My parents were 399 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: here and my brother and Meg, and that was my pod. 400 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm either going to spend Thanksgiving 401 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: its cedars and have Rebecca work and my pediatrician work 402 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: and my obie work, or I'm going to induce a 403 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: few days before I'm going to be home. All I 404 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: wanted was a sucking sweet potato pie with fucking marshmallows 405 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: all over it, my daughter breastfeeding at my boob, and 406 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: my family. Like, I just wanted to be home. I 407 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to be in a hospital during COVID and 408 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: so that was really your right, That was the Montres saying, 409 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: and that was really my reason for inducing. I don't 410 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: know if I would have made that choice had I 411 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: not had a great experience inducing ALBI, but I did. 412 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: The difference here was is that I had even less 413 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: of an induction augmentation because when I showed up at 414 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: the hospital I had at ten pm appointment slot at CEDARS, 415 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: I was already four centimeters dilated and contractions were one 416 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: to two minutes apart, and I didn't even know you 417 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: were faced and I was seventy of this Now. I 418 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: think that happened because the day before Adams shut down pretzels, 419 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: which I was like, way to just shut down pretzels 420 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: the day before the induction date. I was like, are 421 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: you going to take off a few days before the 422 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: induction and he was like, I don't know, I'm gonna 423 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: be like working pretzels, like less than twenty four hours 424 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: to the induction time, right at him. Yeah, it was 425 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: anything to get me out of the house, you know, 426 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: whether that was pretzels or just helping someone move into 427 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: an apartment or driving multiple people to the airport. I 428 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: would have pretty much done anything to stay just a 429 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: healthy distance away from you during those couple of days 430 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: and just on text and ready for you, but trying 431 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: to keep my energy as positive and as flowing as 432 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: possible because it was a dark household during those days 433 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: and I wanted to make sure that I just needed 434 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: to be there to help you when you're feeling sad. 435 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: I feel really sad, and so I felt like it 436 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: was really important to keep my mo joke going so 437 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: I could be really positive and strong for you. Although 438 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: it might sound like I was just trying to stay 439 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: away from you, I think it was a very whatever 440 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: you needed. It worked. It was a very conscious effort 441 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: that I was like, I don't want to stop everything 442 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: days before the birth. I kind of want to keep 443 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: the flow going. The pretzel was his joy, which I love, 444 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's why the business guys shappy Pretzel dot com 445 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: um any who the minute you pulled in and shappy 446 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: Pretzel was done at six pm on Friday before her 447 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: before the induction date, my mucus plug came out, which 448 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: never happened with Albi, and I was like, what the 449 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: hell is that? And it's literally like when you google 450 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: image mucus plug. It was like a bloody booger toilet 451 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: do it. And I texted Rebecca and she's like, oh 452 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: my god, this is great. Your body is doing it. 453 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: And every time I pee there was like a little 454 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: bit like that brown, sort of spotty blood that would 455 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: be like the end of a period or something. Adam 456 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: this is where Katie's crib really really gets into it. 457 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: And I know. So the mucus plug is out, and 458 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I have an induction day tomorrow, 459 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: but my body is sort of doing it anyway. And 460 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: I felt like garbage, and I was like, this feels right. 461 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: I had this thing called this salad at Kote Restaurant 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: onto Ango, which is this famous salad in l A 463 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: that really says that if you have the salad and 464 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you will go into labor within twenty four hours. I 465 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: did have the salad the day before, and I'm convinced 466 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: it's because cast Royal is in the dressing. Yes it 467 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: is the cast royal and Balsama vinegar combination. Yeah, it 468 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: doesn't work for everybody, but it seemed to have helped 469 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: you for sure. So mucus plug show up to the 470 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: ten pm induction, They do the COVID test, they do 471 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: the heplock. They say, oh my god, I thought I 472 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: was going to get the fully balloon again, which is 473 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: a lovely device I had had with Albi, which is 474 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: a nice sort of circus animal balloon that they shove 475 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: into your vagina and they blow it up very slowly 476 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: over time. And it gets you from one centimeter to 477 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: four centimeters. But they checked me and when I showed 478 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: up for the induction, I was already at four and 479 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: I sobbed because I didn't have to get the fully balloon. 480 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. It was a happy cry though, and 481 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I was very familiar with the different types of crying 482 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: at this point. I was like, very happy to see 483 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: you crying about the not having to get the fully balloon. 484 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: That was Ai. That was a big step in the 485 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: right direction that day. Then you guys, tell the what 486 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: happened Adam after the four centimeters no fully balloon. I 487 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: think they gave me a teeny bit of protocon to 488 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: like jump start and it shifted. Oh. Then she broke 489 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: her own water. That's what happened. Your water. Your water 490 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: broke at one am. Oh my god. And I checked 491 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: in at ten guys, and by the time everything was 492 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: hooked up and checked and everything was like eleven thirty. 493 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: My water broke it one She broke it herself. A 494 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: lot of times in an induction. You can say this record, 495 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: but you'll they'll come in with like a sewing needle. 496 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: H We're like a knitting that's what I mean. Yeah, 497 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: well kind yeah, and they will burst your water for you. 498 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: But she did it on her own. I felt, oh, 499 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: I remember what it was. I just remembered it was. 500 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: I felt like someone had punched me in my bum 501 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: hole from the inside. You're welcome, guys. All of a sudden, 502 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: when they say it's a lot of liquid, it is 503 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: a you. It is a lot of liquid. People like 504 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: you're on these we we we we pads that you 505 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: would use for like potty training a dog inside, and 506 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: it is endless amounts of fluids. It's so gross. I 507 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: don't like it. I'm not into it. Like but it 508 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: feels like a nice release, doesn't Its like a nice relief. 509 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: She did that on her own. And then what happened 510 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: right after your water broke? You got your epidural? No, 511 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: that's I can be as supportive as possible, but if 512 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: there's one thing I need to know is a ten 513 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: minute alert for when the epidural starts? And why is that? 514 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Adam do not like needles. I don't like to see 515 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: the needle. I certainly don't like to see the needle 516 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: going into anything. Adams a faint to y'all. Adam is 517 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: a fainter. But at that point, I wasn't there. Actually, 518 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: I hadn't gotten there yet. And so did you end 519 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: up supporting her during that? Okay, I said, somebody let 520 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: me know where that door. Guys come in. I'm just 521 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: gonna go take a little walk. It was what three 522 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: in the morning, it was. I don't know what I did, 523 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: but I just got out of there for a few minutes. Well, 524 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: because it was a pandemic, you couldn't go anywhere. You 525 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: weren't allowed in the hall, So you probably hung out 526 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: in the bathroom as my guests. Because you couldn't go 527 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: anywhere that I did, they weren't letting you go out 528 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: of the room. Don't go to the bathroom. They weren't 529 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: letting us out of the room at all. I think 530 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: you just hung out in the bathroom. Just check my 531 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: Instagram or something like that. I don't like that. Once 532 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: my water broke, the contractions really really picked up and 533 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: they were painful. Like I did not like what was 534 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: going on. I'm like one of those where I'm like, 535 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I do want to feel the contractions and I want 536 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: to feel how amazing it is that my body is 537 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: doing it. And I felt all that, and then I'm 538 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: also like Okay, I don't like this anymore. I wanted 539 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: to stop, you know, like that's me. Every woman makes 540 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: their own choice about how long they want to do 541 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that for, if they want to see it all the 542 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: way through. But I called for the epidural, and I 543 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: remember having the contractions while it takes about thirty minutes 544 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: to place the epidural. So you're having contractions while they're 545 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: doing it. For people listening who are pregnant, you're I'm 546 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: holding the hands of the nurse and I'm saying I'm 547 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: being very communicative, like okay, okay, I feel another one 548 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: coming on. I feel another one coming on, And they say, Okay, 549 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna stop doing the work. We're gonna stop placing it. 550 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: Just let us know when it starts to taper off. 551 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: And it would come, the contractions would come, and then 552 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I would say, okay, it's tapering off. It's tapering off, 553 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: and then they would get back to work. And I 554 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: would do that while I would not move my body 555 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: and just take all the pain out on the lovely 556 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: hands of the nurse. I was squeezing the ship out 557 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: of them. And then slowly but surely, relief starts to 558 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: calm and the pain starts to fade away, and I think, Rebecca, 559 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: is that when you came. Yeah, I was there right 560 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: after that happened. So right after that happened, you got 561 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: me on my side, and it was taking a little 562 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: bit of time for the epidural to really take. I 563 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: was having a lot of pain in one hip, and 564 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: then Rebecca the pain subsided, and Rebecca put me in 565 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: something I will never forget. You put me in something 566 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: called goddess pose. Explain what that is. It's actually thrown. Yeah, 567 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: I will never forget it. Forget exactly what I felt 568 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: like a goddess, as you should. It's a goddess thrown 569 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: like position, and basically it's it's very simple. All it 570 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: is is the back of the hospital bed gets all 571 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: the way brought upright, the foot end of the hospital 572 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: bed drops down, and we prop your arms up like 573 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: you've got arm rest, like you're sitting in a throne. 574 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: And gravity just tends to really help so much in 575 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: that position to bring baby down to get more activity. 576 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: And so we did leave you there for quite a while. 577 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: That position worked well for you. Oh my god, throne 578 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: was amazing. I felt like I was sitting like I 579 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: would be in a meditation, see like it felt very meditative. 580 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: I remember my eyes being shut. I remember feeling very 581 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: connected to Vera, like we're in the final throes of this. 582 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: I love you, We've got this. I was saying all 583 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: of these things to her, and the pain had gone. 584 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: How long was I in throne? We typically leave you 585 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: in each position for about twenty to thirty minutes, depending 586 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: We like to keep moving you around when you have 587 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: an epidural, So I'm guessing were you were there maybe 588 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Sometimes we leave you there a little longer. 589 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: Babies tolerating it okay, as she was, so you might 590 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: have been there for a while before we put you 591 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: back onto your side. And the other reason that position 592 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: is great is because it levels out the pressure on 593 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: each side of your pelvits, so whatever pain you were having, 594 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: your body could get to a very centered, anatomical, neutral, 595 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: if you will, kind of position. And then somebody checked 596 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: me and said it's time to call the doctor. At 597 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: what time? I don't even know, guys, just to give 598 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: you reference, the whole thing was three hours. I didn't 599 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: even have time to vibe out the room. You know, 600 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: this was such a different birthing experience, and with Albi, 601 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: we had lights up and the so Nos playing and 602 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: we knew exactly the song we wanted queued up when 603 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Albi came out. I mean, Vera's birth was so fast. 604 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: The three hours. It was like, Okay, now we're doing this, 605 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: Now we're doing this. Now it's this part. Now it's 606 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: this part. And I'm like, what, We're already at this part? 607 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even the thirty minutes and Throne pose 608 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: was the only time I felt labor. Everything else was 609 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: just like quickly checking things off the list, and it 610 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: was like, holy sh it, we're already at this part. 611 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: We're already at seven, were already at eight, We're already 612 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: at ten, were already a face, We're already Like it 613 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: just felt like a speeding train. You had a list 614 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 1: and you just kept saying to me, all right, just 615 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: four more ship shows to go, and then we're all 616 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: through this. And then you're like, You're like, we got 617 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: through eight of the ship shows and I'm fine, and 618 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: now we just have three more ship shows before. So 619 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: embarrassed for all of your people listening, I'm this is 620 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: so embarrassing. That's why I'm so glad you're both here 621 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: because I have to be held accountable for the person 622 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: I was throughout this, and I can't even like this 623 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: is insane. So I'm such a list maker. I'm such 624 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: a type a person that I was like, if everything 625 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: goes according to my plan, which we can't plan anything, 626 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: but you said there was gonna be there's eight things 627 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: that I'm cool with, and then there's like ten things 628 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: that suck. COVID test brain scratcher was like one then 629 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: it would be like heplock getting inserted is to test. 630 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: Oh fuck you, Adam. Adam was like asking me all 631 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: these fucking questions. During my COVID test. I was filling 632 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: out paperwork, which I'm terrible at doing. For some reason, 633 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: I could I could answer any question whatever, but when 634 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: it comes to paperwork, I just like, I don't know 635 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: any of these answers. And I kept asking Katie like, Hey, 636 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: what's the last four of your social or whatever the 637 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: thing was. Yeah, he was asked me the last four 638 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: of my social while the COVID thing was literally scratching 639 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: my brain like above my eyes. I looked up from 640 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: the paper and I didn't realize Katie was in the 641 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: middle of a brain scratcher, and she was like, Adam, 642 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: just letting me do my thing and you fell out 643 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: the paperwork and I was like, got it, cool, got it. 644 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: But all the ship shows was like I think, I 645 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: don't remember, there was like eight or ten of them, 646 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: and it was like COVID test hep block um uh 647 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: fully balloon fully balloon potosin water, breaking epidural making it 648 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: to ten centimeters, pushing baby out right. So it was 649 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: like eight ship shows or something like that. The eighth 650 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: show checklist for pregnancy for la my ridiculous then is 651 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: I am so embarrassed that we are sharing this with 652 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: you listeners. But for some reason, that was how my 653 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: brain had to organize all the scary things I needed 654 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: to face to get the baby there. And what was 655 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,479 Speaker 1: so insane and what no one saw coming was that 656 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: what I didn't want to add to the ship show 657 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: was like last minute C section, vacuum, heartbeat dropping, Like 658 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: I knew because of this podcast. I know a lot 659 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: of information, and I know that there are other options 660 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: on this ship show list, Okay, like I knew, and 661 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: if they needed to happen in order for Vera and 662 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: me to get out safely, of course we would have 663 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: checked those off too, but from what I knew and 664 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: from the pregnancy and labor I had had with Albie, 665 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: those were the ship shows I had known before, and 666 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: I was hoping for those ship shows again and for 667 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: not any new ship shows. The good news was with 668 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: Vera that the ship shows were going way faster and 669 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: the fooling balloon was already taken off the table. Like, yeah, 670 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: but that is so funny that that is what I 671 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: called them and that was my list. I'm so fucking mortified. Okay, well, 672 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: you should actually be really proud that you're getting that 673 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: out there, because women shouldn't only think that they're supposed 674 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: to feel glorious and happy and you know, maternal and 675 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: all in their divine feminine during pregnancy and childbirth. It 676 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: can be so for sure, Yeah, you are. You needed 677 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: it to be done. I felt it in Throne. I did. 678 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: I felt that connection. I know someplace else that you 679 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: might have been feeling it. I don't know what you 680 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: were feeling, but there was a moment that I wrote 681 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: down in our text exchanges when I was checking in 682 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: with you guys the next day, and I acknowledged how 683 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: you and Adam I feel emotional right now, how are 684 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: you and Adam locked eyes for a moment and you 685 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: started crying, And I wrote to you, guys, and I said, 686 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: I loved that moment where you and Adam locked eyes. 687 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: There are beautiful things in all of the ship shows, 688 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: the moments in between the ship shows that are real 689 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: beautiful bonding connected and certainly for me being with you 690 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: a second time, like being with a family for a 691 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: second time and seeing and knowing that Albi's little sister 692 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: was going to be born. And there's a lot of 693 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: beautiful little moments too in between the ship show. But 694 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: you I also in my follow up text to you 695 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: acknowledge you were acknowledging you said, I cannot believe how 696 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: much I cried during this whole process. I cried so much, 697 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, I cried so much. It was so it 698 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: was just it was just like in all honesty, it 699 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: was just a real struggle for me for whatever reasons, 700 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: all the reasons, it just really was. And her labor 701 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: was not. It was not a physical struggle for me. 702 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: Once I got through the ship show list and what 703 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: was left was the pushing and the sewing up. But 704 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: like once I got to ten centimeters in a face, which, 705 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: by the way, again two and a half hours later. 706 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: This is going so fast, and my only respite was 707 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: just that thirty minute meditation, which was glorious. And then 708 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: they said, okay, you're ready to push, Adam Rebecca, how 709 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: many times did I push? And what was it like? 710 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember, maybe six times and I was gonna 711 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: I think it was about maybe six push number I 712 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: had in my head, and Rebecca said, don't scrunch your face, 713 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: which was the best reminder ever, because I was wasting 714 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: energy by scrunching my face and instead of pushing all 715 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: of my energy down to my vagina and butt. And 716 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: Adam was up by my side. Rebecca had one leg, 717 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: the nurse had the other leg, and my oh B 718 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: was in between my legs. And what was so amazing 719 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: about COVID is that was it was it's a very 720 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,959 Speaker 1: small team right now that he's even allowed to be there. 721 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: Um and Adam, I remember you whispering in my ear, 722 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: like one more you've got this something like that, right, 723 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: do you remember that? I was like, this is happening 724 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: way faster than with Albie. I was really confident that 725 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: the baby was going to come out in in a 726 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: minute or two. And I could see more than you 727 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: could see, so I knew that at one point too. 728 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: So it was nice to be able to tell you 729 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: this is going to happen right now. I know that 730 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: it was happening right now. Yeah. And then my Obi said, 731 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: which is the coolest one in my life, which we 732 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: never discussed and was not part of my birth plan, 733 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: but wow, I didn't even know it was an option. 734 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: My Obi says to me, grab or grab or grab her, 735 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: and Vera was halfway out right, Rebecca, Yeah, she said, 736 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: reached down and pull your baby up. Yeah, and she 737 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: I felt with my own hands my daughter. Oh my god, 738 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get emotional, but I felt my daughter leave 739 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: my body and bring her up to my chest and 740 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: I looked down at her. I mean, I was like, 741 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: it was such a metaphor. I mean, it was such 742 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: a like it was like this pregnancy it was. She 743 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: my doctor said, grab her, grab her, And my initial 744 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: reaction was fear um, like I had been feeling the 745 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: whole time. And I just like locked eyes with her 746 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: and put my hands underneath her little arms and felt 747 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: the second half of her body leave me, and then 748 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: threw her onto my own chest, and it was the 749 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: coolest thing I have ever done in my life and 750 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: probably will be the coolest thing I ever do in 751 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: my whole life. Um, and then she was here. I 752 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: was so out of body, Like, do you guys remember 753 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: were we crying? Like? What was it? I don't even remember. 754 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: We can guarantee you were crying. Adam might have had 755 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: some tears, and I think I probably was crying too. 756 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm in love with your whole family. I get emotional 757 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: when I'm really connected to the people i'm with, So 758 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm certain that I was crying. And also what you 759 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: had been through and the pandemic and all the if 760 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: I could even be with you, and the fact that 761 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: we were actually able to kind of until a couple 762 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: of weeks before, weren't even allowed in the room. You 763 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: were doing a lot of zoom virtual. But I'm pretty clients. Yes, 764 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I was crying too. I was kind 765 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: of mind blown. I was not expecting to watch Katie 766 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: pull the baby out of herself. I was pretty ready 767 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: for this it's all to happen. And then when that 768 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: curveball happened, I think I was silent for a good 769 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: five minutes. After that kind of processing what I just witnessed. 770 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: And she was also we were thrown because she was 771 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: like eight pounds six ounces. She was like a big, 772 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: beautiful round baby. And and also for you guys listening, 773 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: like what used to be my huge first fear with 774 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: Albie was the stitch up. If you do tear, and 775 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: I have with both babies, not a big tear, but 776 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: little ones. My o B gets to work on that, 777 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: like in the minute after you meet your baby, so 778 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: you literally don't give a shit, like your baby just 779 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: came out of your vagina, your baby's on your chest, 780 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: if all has gone okay, and they immediately just get 781 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: to work doing the quick like suitures and the stitches, 782 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: so you do not care. And because I had an evadual, 783 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything. I don't know if you don't 784 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 1: have an avidual, if you don't feel it, probably because 785 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: you're just so much love meeting your child for the 786 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: first time. You're so distracted. What do I don't know? Ish, Well, 787 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: you have to get a shot, right, like they'll give 788 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: you a little shot in some numbing spray. But yes, 789 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: you definitely feel that if there's no epidural a little bit. 790 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: So we meet our daughter. It happened in no time 791 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: at all, and I feel just so like the moral 792 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: of the story being like God, Yes, was an unexpected 793 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: year and even unexpected and how positive and glorious and 794 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: magical VIA's birth was. You did it. You got to 795 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving table. We had a good half hour at 796 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: that table. What say yes? Because just keep it yeah, 797 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: like keeping it real. What I had been working towards 798 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: so much in the pregnancy was just get Vera here, 799 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: and as soon as she gets here. I had had 800 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: other friends that were pregnant during the pandemic alongside with me, 801 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: and they had all told me that once the baby 802 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: was here, that their anxiety and and fears diminished basically 803 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: down to zero. And that's what I was hoping for, 804 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: that I just had to make it cross the finish 805 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: slide of bringing her here. And what I slowly over 806 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: the next four to six weeks realized after Vera had 807 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: been here was that my experience took a one eight 808 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: from my friends experiences, and my anxiety and depression got 809 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: worse instead of better. And that's when we knew I 810 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: had to get more help. And Rebecca again was one 811 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: of my first text and jumped in, giving me a 812 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: plethora of other moms who had been diagnosed with postpartum 813 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: depression and anxiety, who were on medication or not on medication, 814 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: or had been doing different things, so that I had 815 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: other moms who were ahead of me that I could 816 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: talk to and just ahead of you, like their measure 817 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: just kicked in a week prior two weeks fire. It 818 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: was a run of that at that time, probably because 819 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, but who knows, yes, and also Rebecca 820 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: being like me, being like, I think something's wrong. I'm 821 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: thinking about zoloft, and Rebecca being like here all the 822 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: moms I know that have been diagnosed, supposed to our inpression, 823 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: who are on zoloft, who are breastfeeding, who are and 824 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to put you in touch with them so 825 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: you can ask them a billion questions about their experience 826 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and so really you've been our 827 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: dula for for life. And as you can tell, I 828 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: think you can both attest since getting help and Vera 829 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: being here, I am doing much better. What do you 830 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: think at him? Yes? Yes, yeah, happy? Sure, enjoying motherhood, 831 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: enjoying your family, enjoying seeing Albi bond with his little 832 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 1: sister and enjoying watching all of her little, brand new 833 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: baby changes to develop into who she is. You would 834 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: have been missing that. That's a really good reason to 835 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: get support because it goes by very fast, and also 836 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: to enjoy right, like you said, enjoying motherhood. But also 837 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: for women who are listening, I get this question a lot, 838 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: like if you're really anxious and mentally struggling during your pregnancy, 839 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: how does that affect the baby? And here's what I 840 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: can tell you. I have a four month old who 841 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: is the least anxious, chillist, best sleeping, joyous, smiley baby. 842 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's because I was so 843 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: anxious and fucked up her pregnancy, but I joke around 844 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: saying like fate, God, whatever you want to call it. 845 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: She knew what the world was that she was being 846 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: born into and what her mother could handle. And so 847 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 1: Vera is very I hate to say the word e 848 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: a s y because I'm scared to knock gone wood everywhere. 849 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: But you're listening. You guys, get me, You get me? Um? 850 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: What else? Do you guys have any other last tips 851 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 1: or pieces of advice for our audience? Oh, I'll go 852 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: first breastfeeding. If you are going to try to breastfeed. 853 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: A lot of times the birth is traumatic for a 854 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: baby and a big change, and so they encourage a 855 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: baby to go right to the nipple right like after um. 856 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: All great, okay, after childbirth, And Vera was screaming at 857 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: my breast and would not take to it very easily. 858 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: And I was already freaking out because as you guys 859 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: know who've listened to Katie's cribin listening to the breastfeeding 860 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: episode with Linda Hannah eleactation consultant, you would know that 861 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: I had a really hard time breastfeeding Albae and my 862 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: nipples fell off. So I was already freaking out. But 863 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: it only took a few days and she's a champion 864 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 1: breastfeeder and it all went fine, perfect, perfect. Yeah, So 865 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: that's to anyone listening, just know if breastfeeding is hard, 866 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: even in the first try, the second try, the third 867 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 1: try in the hospital delivery room, or over the next 868 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: few days in the hospital or when you first get home, 869 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: that's okay. Even with a second baby. Vera had to 870 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: learn how to do it, and it had been two 871 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: years since I had to do it, and I had 872 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: to relearn how to do it. I had like forgotten 873 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: how to hold a new born and breastfeed, like I 874 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: didn't remember football holder. And I was like, funk that 875 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: I'm not looking it up Like I breastfed for a year, 876 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm an expert. No, I had to relearn all over again. 877 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: H I mentioned this earlier. A lot of highlighting of 878 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: Adam during this and it makes me think in general 879 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: about the importance of honoring and highlighting the support people, 880 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: whether it's a husband, another partner. I've recently supported some 881 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: single women who don't have anybody, so I was that person. 882 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: But to really just highlight an honor the people that 883 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: are standing alongside the women in labor that are doing 884 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: the hardest thing going through this emotional roller coaster in 885 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: a pandemic. Adam, you were a role model for how 886 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: to be a support person. You didn't get many breaks. 887 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: I know that because I kept checking in with you. 888 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: Did you didn't get a lot of breaks and um 889 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: and you you stayed the course. You were there all 890 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: the way through. God, this whole podcast is making me 891 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: really want to have a date night look out. It's 892 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: like podcasts over Adam and me in the bedroom in 893 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: ten minutes. Wow, Rebecca said to me early on in 894 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: the thing, do something for Katie that's just so different, 895 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: and get her out. You can't get her out of 896 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: the house, but just find a place in the backyard 897 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: that you haven't sat in together. And so that's our 898 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: date night in the in his art check, in the garage, 899 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: his idea. I put all those candles in the garage 900 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: and music, and I was like, Katie, I need you 901 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: to come side, and you were like, no, I don't 902 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: want to go outside. I just want to cry. And 903 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 1: then I got and the day was awesome. And even 904 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,240 Speaker 1: though it was only fifty fifteen minutes, maybe twenty minutes 905 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: we were out there, I think you were like, Okay, 906 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: this was super sweet and I loved it, and thank you, 907 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 1: and here's a kiss. I gotta go to bed. But 908 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: even those twenty minutes we both still remember. I think 909 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 1: it definitely is a testament to the power of Okay, 910 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: you don't have a babysitter and a whole night to 911 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: have a huge date night and see a show and 912 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: see dinner, have dinner at a fancy restaurant. It's a 913 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: testament to what just five minutes the difference five minutes 914 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: give me Adam and Rebecca. I want to thank you 915 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: guys for being there for me through the whole ship show. 916 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: I want to thank Rebecca to thank you and we 917 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: love you so much. Oh you guys, I love you 918 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: so much. Any amount of time to ever get with 919 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: either of you, both of you, any of you in 920 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: your household is just precious to me. Um. I was 921 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: just I was listening to you guys earlier, and I 922 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: was thinking, gosh, I should have dueled them before their 923 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: first night on Broadway. I should have something to like 924 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: walk them through. I could have done like break you 925 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: through the phone or something. But I'm actually a really 926 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: good point shows. Yeah, a Broadway is an amazing idea. 927 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: I just I love you both so much and I 928 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: support you always in anything that you do. And it 929 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 1: was my honor to be there for both births of 930 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: your beautiful children. Oh my god, I feel so lucky. 931 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: And also we have not This is like the official 932 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: postpartum visit that now I can finally close your file, 933 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,760 Speaker 1: close the file file on the Shapiro family for now, 934 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: uh forever. That's a close unless we get a new 935 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: dog in like ten years or a bird or a 936 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: fish or a turtle or whatever the kiddo's on. I'm 937 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: just like, I can't even love you, Katie. I love 938 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:14,919 Speaker 1: you so much. There are no words to say. Thank 939 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: you guys for listening to Katie's Crib. I want to 940 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: hear from you. You guys were in season four. What 941 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about? What guests do you 942 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: want to have on? Do you have questions? You have comments? 943 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: Hit me up Katie's Crib at Shanda land dot com. 944 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: Bye Bye. Katie's Crib is a production of Shonda Land 945 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 946 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: from Shanda land Audio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 947 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 948 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 1: You can never know. I'm till you try. 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