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Speaker 1: This is crime stories with Nancy Grace. We always believe

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Speaker 1: swear out and arrest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Duke with

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Speaker 1: That is what happened to a high school history teacher.

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Speaker 1: We all know her name now. Her name became famous

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Speaker 1: after her disappearance, Tara Grinstead out of the little town

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Speaker 1: of Oscilla. But in the last days, an incredible break

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Speaker 1: cloud hung over the little town of Oscilla as everyone

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew the answer. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: of course, a man who is largely credited with keeping

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Speaker 1: Paine Lindsay Payne, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for having me. Paine. You latched on

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Speaker 1: Where is Tara? What was it about Tera that made

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is now that an arrest has

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Speaker 1: That for sure. This is Alan Duke with an editor's note.

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Speaker 1: Since Nancy and Paine recorded this podcast, the gb I

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars bond Payne, please join us again, everybody. I've

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Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead. May she rest in peace and may her

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. As always, I'm a huge fan,

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Speaker 1: as are so many, and I'm sure including Terra's family.

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