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Speaker 2: Day two at the pump Galla. Day one was the success, Sir.

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Speaker 2: We stepped to the cocktail event last night and saw

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Speaker 2: a lot of Man legends and old friends. We had

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Speaker 2: a good time. Shout out Dana and David. Today we

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Speaker 2: got a good one man, a Cringehaw High School legend,

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Speaker 2: Matt's Hall of Famer, eight time All Star Teeth, three

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Speaker 2: time World Series Champions Man, one of my favorite players

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Speaker 2: growing up. Huh four time? Oh shit four two? Will

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Speaker 2: excuse us. We'd love to be corrected. Four time champ

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Speaker 1: R Yeah, man Man, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Daryl Strawberry's Yeah, Hey, we've been Hey.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on this for long day.

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Speaker 2: I've been working on this for like three years, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Know you have man assistant. I appreciate you. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: check on you too.

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Speaker 2: Every time I wouldn't ask you to come on show,

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Speaker 2: I was checking on you and checking on the family.

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Speaker 2: We would talk a little bit. But I'm I'm glad

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Speaker 2: we finally got to make it work.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you your real brother man, yeah, and everything.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. Man.

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Speaker 2: The past year has been a little hectic for you.

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Speaker 2: You suffered a heart attack in the past, You've been

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Speaker 2: diagnosed with cancer.

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Speaker 1: You look good right now.

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Speaker 2: How is life? How is your your health? How is

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Speaker 2: your mental and how's Daryl today?

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Speaker 1: Well? Thanks for asking, man, I'm I mean it's life.

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Speaker 1: You know, life gonna show up, but are you going

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Speaker 1: to show up? Right? That's the whole key in this

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Speaker 1: game of life. You know, no one ever said it

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Speaker 1: it all the time. So, you know, growing up in

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Speaker 1: like later on, like all gonna go through that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a part of it. You're just a part

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Speaker 2: Mad I don't like to listen to the doctors neither.

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Speaker 1: I know. You don't know, brother, like listen list.

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Speaker 2: Trying to box and lift weights. He just had backing

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Speaker 2: I mean working out, eating health? Like what's your day

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Speaker 1: it's life genetics. Yeah, and you grow up like this

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Speaker 1: No, I just had a blockage, you know, I had

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Speaker 3: I mean actually doing when you buy you out doing

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Speaker 1: The time I was coming into baseball, me and Eric

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Speaker 2: So did you guys play against each other high school?

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Speaker 1: He went to Fremont, I went to Crenshaw. So you

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Speaker 2: He told me about the last night. Yeah, I seen

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Speaker 2: He was he had game, He had a game point guard.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you compare him to anybody's game plaster present?

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Speaker 1: look back on it. He was over trust Man told

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Speaker 1: me last night, what was your game? Like? My game

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Speaker 2: Man, Happy, Happy fortieth birthday, the Nipsey Man today he

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Speaker 1: Man Live.

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Speaker 2: Your jersey number eighteen was retired by the Mets last summer.

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Speaker 2: What did that mean to you?

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Speaker 1: It meant that I really accomplished them, you know when

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Speaker 1: What does it mean to the people of the city

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Speaker 1: and say this guy here was a big part of

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Speaker 1: And I did? You know? I went there and I

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Speaker 1: When I finally got there, I started to know who

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Speaker 1: And that's what I did. I learned that part of

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Speaker 2: Peterso recently broke your Mets record. Obviously, records are meant

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Speaker 1: I'm glad they felt like that. I didn't feel like that.

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Speaker 1: My career is over. My number is sitting on top

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Speaker 1: anything to prove to anybody. I don't have to voice

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know. He said all these scouts had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was really cool.

432
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Speaker 3: What's what's it like being the number one pick at eighteen?

433
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 3: I probably it was just the wrong time. I only

434
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: got two hundred thousand then, but now they get ten million.

435
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: Difference A big difference. No, but it was it was

436
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: It was really for my mother, you know, she was

437
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: a single parent, and she dropped me off at school

438
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: that morning and she was nervous and I was like, mom,

439
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: I don't be nervous. I said. They said, I'll get drafted.

440
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going to go. And it

441
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 1: was a big deal to her, and it wasn't like

442
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,679
Speaker 1: a big deal to me. But I wasn't really concerned

443
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: about it because I knew that I had put myself

444
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 1: in a position to be drafted from that year, my

445
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: senior year, and when I went to class, you know,

446
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: they pulled me out of class and said, well, okay,

447
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: pulled me over and said you've been drafted. You're the

448
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: number one picking the jaff. I says, okay, And they

449
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: said the New York mess draft for you. I said, okay,

450
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: where the heck is New York at I had never

451
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 1: been out of LA you know, we all played here.

452
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, we played out in Compton, you know. So

453
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, baseball was always the thing for all of

454
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: us growing up because you know, all the great players

455
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 1: that came out of California, like myself, Eric Davis, Chris Brown,

456
00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 1: Chilie Davis, Olie Smith, you know, Eddie Murray. You can

457
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 1: go on and on how many great players that come

458
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: out of here to play baseball. And we were just

459
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: a part of that package. And we were just really

460
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: happy to be a part of that package. Me and Eric,

461
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, because me and Eric played together in the

462
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 1: Little league and summer team. He was the leadoff bat

463
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: and played shortstop. I hit third, played right field out

464
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: in Compton, and he said that team like, God damn well,

465
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: they used to call us like we were the moose.

466
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: Our team was called the moose, and then we come

467
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: to the park, they say the moose is on the loose.

468
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: You know. They got E d and Straw and got

469
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: Chris Brown hit at playing third base. It was just

470
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: the monster team. Man. We were just We were coached

471
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: by Earl Brown and we were just man. We were

472
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: good man at a young age, and we just knew it.

473
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: Me and me and E knew it that we wanted

474
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: to play in the big leagues. And he got drafted

475
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: later in that draft that year and he went on

476
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: and signed before I did, was Cincinnati. He was like, dog,

477
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. You know. He said, I'm just

478
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: gonna go do it. You know. I said, yeah, man, no,

479
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: I'll catch up with you. Man, We're gonna do it.

480
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: And we did. You know, we didn't just get drafted.

481
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: You We had a program for us in the off

482
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: season where we were at Harvard Park. We went back

483
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: to Harvard Park and we put our trash cans up

484
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: and we had ourselves throwing VP, and people just say, man,

485
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: you guys millionaires, Why you guys not up at UCLA.

486
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, we didn't play in no Ucla.

487
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: You know, we want we played in the ghetto. We

488
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: want to teach young kids to know that you could

489
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: come out here. You know, you can come out of here.

490
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to be fancy or anything else. You know,

491
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: Me and Ed would always buy the Major League baseballs

492
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: for the group, but we put the trash cans up

493
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: and they had to pitch to us and Duck and

494
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: say thank you can because we said bullets back up

495
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: the middle and to hit the can. But it made

496
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: you hungry, It made you not get complacent, and it

497
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: made you not sit there and think, wow, I'm great

498
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: because I'm already in the league. And that's what was

499
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: our driving for us, for us to keep going.

500
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: Tell me what the jump was like from high school

501
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: to the minor leagues to the big leagues.

502
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: We glad you asked. That's a really good question because

503
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: three different levels. Yeah, there's three different levels. And when

504
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: you jump from high school you used to be in

505
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: the star and when you jump into the minor leagues,

506
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: now this is really tricky. This is different because the

507
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: minor leagues are more like where am I going? You know,

508
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen year olds years old and coming out of

509
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: Crenshall High all Black High school, and I'm drafting and

510
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: sign Now I'm going to Lynchburg, Virginia. No, well, I'm

511
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: going to Kingsport, Tennessee. First I got to Kingport, Tennessee.

512
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I still don't know

513
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: where that is. Middle of nowhere. Culture shock, you know,

514
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: is at eighteen years old and you're the number one

515
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: pick and everybody's talking about you. And had it not

516
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: been for my coach, Chuck Hiller making it comfortable for me,

517
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to come home. You know. I kept calling

518
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: my maman, come to the house. You know, She's like,

519
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you know you, this is what you wanted to do.

520
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: So then I go to the next year, I go

521
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: to Lynchburg, Virginia nineteen eighty one. Now we're Lynchburg, Virginia

522
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: is in the middle of with Liberty University all that

523
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of middle of nowhere. So I get there and

524
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm playing there and now I got to go through

525
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: these racial things with people in the crowd of the

526
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: home ballpark that I'm playing in calling me boy, called

527
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: me nigga in word and say, well, you're not that good,

528
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: you know. And my coach was like, don't look up there.

529
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: They ignorant, you know, because I knew he knew. He

530
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: was thinking, Man, this kid gonna go up there with

531
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: his Louisville slugger. He's gonna eliminate some folks up there,

532
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: eliminate some because because they didn't call you all that

533
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 1: when you were in high school. And and so I

534
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: experienced that, and I almost quit, you know, I came

535
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: close to quitting, you know. I was when a wall

536
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: didn't show up to the ballpark and the team wondered, what,

537
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, what's happening with him? I was at home

538
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: smoking weed every day. I was like, I'm not dealing

539
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: with this, you know, I was. I was. I was like,

540
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with this. I just like checked out,

541
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: you know. And then I finally came back and and

542
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: then I finished up that year, and they said I

543
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: was going to quit baseball, and they were like, give

544
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: it another year. And I gave it another year, and

545
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: I came back in the next year, in nineteen eighty two,

546
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: and I went to Jackson, Mississippi, and I ended up

547
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: like hitting thirty four home runs still in forty five bases.

548
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: You know, that's when I really became a ballplayer. I

549
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: really knew that I was on my way after that,

550
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, And I always think about it. It's just

551
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: like for all of us, if you quit, you never

552
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: know a lot of what ifs. Yeah, it would have

553
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: been on a lot of what ifs if you quit,

554
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things happen after that. For

555
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: me not quitting to be able to get to that

556
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: next level and the big leagues. You know, when I

557
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: got to the big leagues, that was a whole level

558
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: of adjustments. I had to really do some things different.

559
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: I had a coach, hitting coach, aint Jim Pry. I

560
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty three when I was in the Big Leads.

561
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: I got to the Big Leads at twenty one, and

562
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be at the ballpark like at one,

563
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: and I didn't show up to three o'clock, and he

564
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: got in my face, is I'm never going to wait

565
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: for you again. If you want to be great at

566
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: what you're doing here, you'll be at this ballpark early

567
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: every day. I was learning how to be a profession

568
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: exactly That's what he taught me. Right. There wasn't about

569
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: the talent. He goes, you got the talent already, Yeah,

570
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: you got you got the talent. He was like, but

571
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: you have to learn what this is all about, you know.

572
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I had to do because I was

573
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: going to the ballpark and it wasn't just about working

574
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: out all the time where you'd like to sit in

575
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: the dugout and you look at the stadium, he says,

576
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: look at the stadium. He's like, now you can own this.

577
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: If you do this, this this this can be this

578
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: can be yours. And he walked me into that. And

579
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: I went on to win Rookie of the Year that

580
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: year because he walked me into that. Because I got

581
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: off to a rough start, but he walked me into

582
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: being Rookie of the Year and showed me how to

583
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: master this, make this, make this your paradise. You say,

584
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: it's important.

585
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 3: Guys like that important to when young guys coming in

586
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: and they don't have it in the NBA no more.

587
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: They don't know they used to have that right everywhere

588
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: he had. Yeah, I know you guys had it. I

589
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: know they don't have it now. I mean these guys

590
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: have it. Everybody's young. Yeah, yeah, what were you? What

591
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: were your numbers? Your workie year, my hit but twenty

592
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: six home runs that year. I think I seventy four ribies.

593
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: I think I got I got there a month after

594
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: the season, so I missed the first month and I

595
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: didn't come up till May because I went I went

596
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: to Triple A and then I stayed a month down there,

597
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: and then I came up and I got to a

598
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: rough start, and like I said, I started to work.

599
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: It started to focus, started to learn, and the learning

600
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: lessons are the key, you know, for any athlete. If

601
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: you learn them, you can elevate yourself to the next

602
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: level of playing. Set the stage for MLB in the

603
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: EIGHTIESLB in the eighties it started to rock there. That's

604
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: when black players started to come along. That's when it

605
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: truly started to take a shift, and not just black players,

606
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: but young black players. Yeah, you know, that's when a

607
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: big difference of what baseball was all about. I know

608
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: it's a different game today, you know, with more Latin players,

609
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: But when we came up, it was all black players.

610
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: You know. I came up, Eric came up, A lot

611
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: of others came up, from different teams, you know, that

612
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: were young and that were exciting, and they made a push.

613
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: You know, I think this was the first time but

614
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: baseball started to shift to make a push for young

615
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: black players, you know, and they were really going after them,

616
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: they were really drafting them, and just so unfortunately dropped

617
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: off because major Major League Baseball used to be about

618
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: the young African American players, you know, and they changed

619
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: it so much, and it's heartbreaking to see that because

620
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, they took they took away what was important

621
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: for the kids in the hood, you know, because of

622
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: those those ballparks, you know, those dirt fields. We grew

623
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: up on planning on them. That's how you learn how

624
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: to play. They had rocks, whatever bricks. We had to

625
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: learn how to make a play on them, those fields.

626
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: And they removed those fields, and then they started building

627
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: academies and Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and all these other places.

628
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: So the black kids in their cities suffered because they

629
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: didn't have the academies in the place like you like,

630
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: most of these other players had. And these other players

631
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: had a better chance to get to the major leagues.

632
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: And our avenue to the major leagues was like, you

633
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: better be tough. Yeah, you're gonna have to fight through

634
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: it to get there to stay, and you're gonna have

635
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: to be good, really good. You stand out. You're gonna

636
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: have to be a standout to be able to play

637
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: and stay in a major. You couldn't hit two thirty

638
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: and being the majors when we were coming up, they

639
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: was like, no, you ain't ready for this. In two thirty.

640
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're going back down to the minor leagues.

641
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: So you you really had to turn your game up

642
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: and you had to really know how to play. And

643
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: and the thing I say about playing is like me

644
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: and Eric Davis, you know when we came through, we

645
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: wasn't like a one to two player. We were a

646
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: five to two player. You know, we did it all first.

647
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: We wanted to. We wanted to make sure our game

648
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: stood up at a whole whole different level where people

649
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: would look at us and say wow. You know, And

650
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: that's what I always think about athletes, Black athletes you

651
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 1: know that play BA you know, don't don't just do

652
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: one thing. Learn to do do everything you know and

653
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: work at it. If you work at it, you can

654
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: get good at it and excuse man places.

655
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Like dr as you was talking about. Just now, they

656
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: take baseball way more serious. You know, they do have

657
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: the academies, like you say, like as kids like like

658
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: you say, that's really the only way out. They know

659
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: that's the way approaching it. They know that's the way

660
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: off the island. Yeah, that's all they got. So that's

661
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: and that's why so many, so many them were good

662
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: these days.

663
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: That's why they're so successful because they do take it

664
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: way more serious. Yeah, we do over here, and we

665
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: have more opportunity. We have we have more stuff, but

666
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: we don't have the opportunity like they do. So they build,

667
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: they build academies over there. So you know what, they

668
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: join the academies like when they twelve thirteen years old

669
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: because they don't have anything else to do. So they

670
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: train them up, you know, to be be ball players

671
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: and everything like that. They tell them, if you want

672
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: to get off to this island, baseball is off ya.

673
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: And they're doing it. They killing it. They making the

674
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: most money. Now you're looking major League Baseball as the Latinos,

675
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: who are are the top players? Yeah, in the game

676
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: of baseball.

677
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I saw some on Instagram not too long ago where

678
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: there was an old man flicking bottle caps to a

679
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: little Latin boy and he was smacking that ship, but

680
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: flicking bottle caps, bro not whiffle balls and bottle caps

681
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: and show.

682
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's the old school way, that's

683
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: that's the way you train them up.

684
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: And I coordination one of the most beautiful swings the

685
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: game has ever seen.

686
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Where'd that swing come from? Smooth? I don't know, just

687
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: just working at it, you know, looking in the mirror

688
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: everything left handed lick swing though. Yeah, most of the time,

689
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: when you look at all all left hand hitters, most

690
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: of them have just still like a swing that just goes.

691
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of all it goes the same way. It's

692
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: just a different size of a player, but it's kind

693
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: of the same swing, you know for a left hand

694
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: hit her. And I think working on it and you

695
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: when I say working on this, because a lot of

696
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: times they say you won't be able to hit like

697
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: that in the big leagues. That's what they said about me.

698
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: That's what they said about Ed you know, because he

699
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: had held his hands here. He never hit yep, And

700
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: they said my leg kick was too high. Never you're wrong,

701
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: That's that's what scouts say. You know, you know, the

702
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: scouts say, you know, you can't he can't dribble, he

703
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: can't pass, you can't do this, you know what I mean,

704
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: you can't do that, right, I can do it. We're

705
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: just yeah, exactly. You know that's what they failed to

706
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: realize about us. You know, you point out us and

707
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: say we can't do that. No, you mean you can't

708
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: do that.

709
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Facts the steroid era, when did you feel like you

710
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: saw that creep into baseball?

711
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Was that while you was in there, before you got there,

712
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: you started, you saw the change, you saw the shift,

713
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: You saw the shift the guys that wasn't home run hitters,

714
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they hitting.

715
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: Fifty around What year did you feel like you saw that?

716
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: I was in the nineties, Yeah, I was. You saw

717
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: guys hidden, You saw guys hitting balls in the upper tank,

718
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: upper upper tank, which is not normal exactly, which is

719
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: not normal, you know, and and right there you knew

720
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: something was different. You knew that they were they were

721
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: on a totally different level of whatever they were doing.

722
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: And the talk was around but it's okay, you know,

723
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: it's it's part of it, part of sports. You know,

724
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Drugs has always been around, part of sports, but players

725
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: taking I mean I was on the fetam's my whole career,

726
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: so I was wired playing you know, every night. So

727
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: it's not like it was surprised to me that this

728
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: new time has come in and something has changed and

729
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: these guys found something at work. You have to find

730
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: something that works. Unfortunate, but it's real. Everybody got the thing.

731
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their things, you know, and you you can't

732
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: sit you cannot sit around and criticize, you know, a

733
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: different generation of players. You know, I didn't, you know,

734
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: from when I saw that, I was like, well, these

735
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: guys are having fun. You know. It's and they realized that,

736
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, getting to that place. I'm gonna make more

737
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: money fast, you know, because now all of a sudden,

738
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: my numbers are gonna jump up and I'm gonna become

739
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: a second basement. I've hit forty home runs. You know,

740
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: it's only one one one second basement that was hitting

741
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: forty home runs. That was right Sandberg? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

742
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: he was the only one. And now all of a sudden,

743
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: you got you got mediocre hitters, they dropping forty five.

744
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: And so being on drugs during your career, like what

745
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: did it because I know I smoked weed before I played,

746
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: and it allowed me to first of all, take a

747
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: good nap, wake up, study, film, focus, and then lock

748
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: in on. I was guarding the best players in the

749
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: world every single night. Like what it playing on on

750
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: whatever you were playing on to do for you.

751
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: It was in fetamies. You know. I didn't play on

752
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: the hard drugs. You know, hard drugs was on off

753
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: the off the phil you know, the nightlife and party

754
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: and you get into that, you know, and you know

755
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: the girls drugs. You know, that was after the games.

756
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was after gaining hard or you know,

757
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was just a lifestyle. You know, it

758
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: was the eighties. There was it was there. Nobody was

759
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: complaining about it, you know, and you know, you just

760
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: have to be young and you get caught up into

761
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: that whole visious cycle. But when I when I was playing,

762
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, I was on the anfetamies, and it just

763
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: kept me wired, you know, to focus, you know, in

764
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: the game, stay in the game. It kept my attention

765
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: on what I was doing, especially the picture, because when

766
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that ball, that baseball was coming

767
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: out of his hand, that ball looked as big, really

768
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, and when it looked that big, I was like, oh,

769
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 1: it's it's it's feeding time. You got to feed yourself. Yeah,

770
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: you gotta definitely need It's got to be a part

771
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: of it. But you know, the whole life of drug addiction,

772
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: what I got into was just really fast off the field,

773
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, I fell into it. You know when I

774
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: got out here in California mostly and and and I

775
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: was born and raised here, and I knew better and

776
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: I still because I knew every back backstreet. You know,

777
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: I used to take it back run, Yeah, to take

778
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: the back treet. So I knew. I knew I was

779
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: running in the wrong direction, doing the wrong things. At

780
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: was this I was in early thirties, you know, when

781
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I started diabbing and playing around when and drinking and

782
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: and and getting out there and and just doing whatever

783
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. Because you live, man, you live

784
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: this life for yourself. You get one shot at it.

785
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: We do it. Ain't no blue friend, there's no blue friend.

786
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: There's no book there to say you can't do it right. Yeah,

787
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: that's not a.

788
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: Book, especially for a young black man where we come from. Yeah,

789
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff we got to learn now.

790
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: Because we ain't had no male figure teachers, nothing, So

791
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: I had to learn all these things by myself to

792
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: get out there. And they were they were some learning,

793
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: hard learning lessons, you know, and I'm grateful for it today,

794
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: but you know, it was part of it was part

795
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: of my journey. And people said, well, he could have

796
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: been this, he could have been there. Well, maybe my

797
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: journey wasn't meant to be. You know, everybody's journey is

798
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: not meant to be in the Hall of Fame, you know,

799
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: just because you have talent, most folks don't know where

800
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: you come from. They don't know what you been through. Absolutely,

801
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: they just assumed that you should be well because you're

802
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: getting a paycheck, especially in your era too.

803
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: Now athletes, I mean, we caught the beginning of social

804
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: media at the end of our career. But what they saw,

805
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: what they read in the paper or anything like that

806
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: was the gospel. So there was never really time to

807
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: really show what you just said where you come from.

808
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: And then the struggles and all, it was just, hey,

809
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: you get a ton of money, you're a superstar.

810
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: You gotta perform, right, and that's that's all it was,

811
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, And today, you know, today is different. You know,

812
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: the guys get to be more careful about it because

813
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: of social media. You'd be a fool if you was

814
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: out there like I was in the eighties. When we

815
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: were out there, we didn't have no social media. I

816
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: had no cameras. I had nobody video on me and

817
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: following me, which was a good thing. Absolutely.

818
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: That's such goodness, Doc goodness, greatness his first three years

819
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: and leagues. This is stats fifty nineteen two tween are

820
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: thirty five complete games, thirteen complete game shoutouts, seven and

821
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: forty four strikeouts and good second year he had one

822
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: of the best season seasons ever twenty four. That's like

823
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: my game status on two K no MLB. Okay, I'm

824
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: like twenty four to one in my season twenty four

825
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: and four one point five to three. E.

826
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: R A and the Cy Young talk about how great

827
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: DoD Goodon was. It was the greatest I've ever seen,

828
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: the greatest pictures I've ever seen at such a young age.

829
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: And the why I say that because when he was

830
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, when he came up, he had command.

831
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: He came from Florida, came from Tampa, Florida. Jack Yeah,

832
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield's his nephew. They come from that baseball of playing.

833
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: But Doc was amazing. I used to play behind him.

834
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: I was like, Doc, you're a trip. You don't let

835
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: nobody get no action off Gabe. The sitting everybody down,

836
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: sitting everybody down, nobody getting you know, they getting hits,

837
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: but they're like bloopers this and that, and you know,

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: nobody really crushing the ball off. So, I mean, he

839
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: was ninety when he came up, and you know, he

840
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: had so much poise for being nineteen years old at

841
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: the major league level, and great command of getting his

842
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: breaking ball and throwing it where he needed to throw

843
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: it and getting his file. He could spot his fastball anyway.

844
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: And when you when I saw him blowing people away

845
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: like Mike Smith Andred Dollars heat Rose, I was like, wow,

846
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean, and I just remember that

847
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: eighty five year you talk about that was his cy

848
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: young year. Now, this was the greatest year I ever

849
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: seen any picture. And I don't think any picture has

850
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: been as great as he was in that year at

851
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: twenty years. So twenty four and twenty four and four

852
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: with one point five, twenty three or two years ri

853
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, man, night after night he just when he

854
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: went out there, we packed the stadium. Okay, he packed

855
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: the stadium, but he was the pack of the night

856
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: he was pitching. Yeah, the parking lot is full before

857
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: you better get to the ball bar three o'clock because

858
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: four o'clock that pregame parking lot was full. They gonna

859
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: pack the stadium. I got a guy up in leftfield

860
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: corner with a K corner and docs pitcher. Docs, Doc's

861
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna get twelve thirteen, fourteen ks, you know, on a

862
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: on a major league level at twenty years old, eating

863
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: hitters up. I mean, I mean guys used to I

864
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: remember how guys used to be. When you see the

865
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: opposing team, they take their vps and some guys in

866
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: the lineup and then afterwards they scratched they're out of

867
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: the lineup. Well, something happened to my next Yeah, doctor,

868
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take these three punch outs because he's

869
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna embarrass you. And I tell you, man, that was

870
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: the greatest season man to watch watch a picture pitch

871
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: like that. Incredible, that's dope.

872
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: How was it to have a lot of success and

873
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: start them with them on a couple of magazines together?

874
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean It was really cool because we

875
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: were young, we're.

876
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: Black, missus New York too. It was New York's biggest

877
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: media market in the world.

878
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: But the fans loved us because we brought great joy

879
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: to a team that was never nothing. Yeah.

880
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, what seven straight losing seasons before

881
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: you got there.

882
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: When I got here in eighty three, yeah, and they

883
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: were always the last place team, and we turned that around.

884
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: From eighty four we finished second, eighty five we finished

885
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: we finished second, eighty six, we finished first. You know,

886
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: within when I was twenty four years old, we were

887
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: playing in the World Series. You know, at twenty four,

888
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen. It just happened overy night

889
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: every time, but it's not, you know, and a lot

890
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: of times guy thinks they're just gonna get there all

891
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: the time and in every sport. But it's not that easy. Granted, yeah,

892
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to do. And we got there, and

893
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: we should have had a couple more times of being there,

894
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: but we were living in New York and we were

895
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: just having fun and it was a wild, crazy team,

896
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, just had fun. We I mean, you didn't

897
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: want to mess with the match. Back in those days

898
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: when we were straight on and off the field, on

899
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: and off the field. But New York was crazy. You

900
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: had Mike Tyson, Lawrence Taylor. You know, oh, y'all was

901
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: in the streets. I got a Tom Machine has spent

902
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: a day with him in New York. You know what

903
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was, I want a knight, I need

904
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: a knife, man. It was you know, you think about it,

905
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: it was it was lt. Tyson, The Mets, the Yankees

906
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: wasn't even talked about in eighties. We controlled the city

907
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: in the eighties, those years from my eight years there

908
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: after after my rookie year, we controlled the city and

909
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: we took over the city. And it was about the

910
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Mets and about the Mets winning. It was about the giants,

911
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: like you said, Elk, and it was about Mike Tyson

912
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: came along. Mike Tyson showed up to say, say, Stadium

913
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: eighty six. He goes, I want to meet Doc Gooden

914
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: and Darryl Struberry. So he came and it was we

915
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: met him. He wasn't even the heavyweight champion the time.

916
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: He was still young and he was talking about him.

917
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: But being a heavyweight champion. That's that. When you see

918
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: that picture of him getting ready to punch Doc. That

919
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: was that was eighty six that he came to see us,

920
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: and he.

921
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: Right here, Yeah that picture right there, young young Mike

922
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: about nineteen.

923
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, Doc, go ahead. I was like,

924
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: go ahead through your punch. Now. You said you're gonna

925
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: knock him out, Doc. I was telling Doctor to his

926
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: punch day it was greasy. He said his ship was greasy.

927
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: He saw what he was pitching and how he was sweating,

928
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: and the curls and the grease just come off with me. Man.

929
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: He probably was Mike's idols like during this time, Like

930
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: like you said, two black baseball players at the time

931
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: was the North young and that's what Mike came to see.

932
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I gotta go see these guys.

933
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: You got the off the field stories you could tell

934
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: with Michael LT.

935
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean LT was. I mean I didn't

936
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: see Mike a lot in the city, but we saw

937
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: l T every party. Yeah, yeah, that's LT said. He

938
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: had no other way say, he didn't want to know

939
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: other way. He was with everybody, you know, but you

940
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: know he was he was l T was the man

941
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: of New York City and everywhere he went it was

942
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: just like L T l T because he had a

943
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: big l T lightning rod in the area. Yeah, and

944
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: you know when you saw l T, everybody just there,

945
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: there's Lawrence Taylor. One of a kind and he was

946
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, he was one of a kind. He was

947
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: very special. But at the same time, he wasn't he

948
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: wasn't over the top. He was really cool. You know

949
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying down to earth. You know, like we

950
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: all played together in the same city, and you know,

951
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: it's like we won big family because we all here

952
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: in New York City. When I say his name Keith Andandez,

953
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: what comes to mind. I love Keith. Yeah. I have

954
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: my battles with him, of course, because he had said

955
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: something to the press about my contract negotiation and spring

956
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: training and I just kind of went after. You know,

957
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like a hood right, It's like, why are

958
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: you talking about somebody else? Yeah? So, but I loved

959
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: it because he taught me so he taught me so

960
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: much how to play the game. He taught me how

961
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: to hit left hand pitching and showed me what to do.

962
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: And I went on and I like hit twenty home

963
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: runs off of left hand pitching. Was he a leader.

964
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: He was a great leader. Yeah, he was very tense.

965
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: His leadership skills were phenomenal because we were all young

966
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: and he had already been in the Big League. She

967
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: played in Saint Louis. You'd already want a championship, want

968
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: an MVP. And so with him coming over to the match,

969
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: he really helped us because we were like young players

970
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and he helped the young pitching style. He helped us

971
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: elevate our game to the next level. I know he

972
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: helped me elevate my game to the next level because

973
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: when he taught me how to hit left hand pitching.

974
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: It's like if the guys, if the guy is not

975
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: throwing hard enough, get up in the box so you

976
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: can catch it before it breaks. For guy throwing hard,

977
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: get deep in the box so you can let the

978
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: ball get deeper and then you can hit the ball

979
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: the other way. And man, man, that man so much

980
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: to me, that's the game right there. Heard never heard

981
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: nothing like that. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that's what

982
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He wasn't show that on the game. So

983
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: now you could take that advice though, Yeah, yeah, it

984
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: was great advice man. And and if you listen to

985
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: some guys like that, then then you become productive, more

986
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: productive at doing what you're doing. You already have the

987
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: skills to do what you do, but you listen to

988
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: a guy like that knows how to do it. He's

989
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: been there and done it. Man. Man, I was like, man, wow.

990
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: All sports missed that. I'm trying to stress that to

991
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: our fans. This eighty six World Series team was loaded.

992
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: Harry Carter, Keith Hernandez both top five and NBV voting you,

993
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Lenny Dyke, Strech, Anny, Mookie Wilson, Kevin Mitchell.

994
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Pitching staff was tough. Doc Ron Darling, Ron Darling, Bob.

995
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Ojea, Ojeida Said Fernandez all top ten, and Cy Young

996
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: voting loaded teams.

997
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: I just like saying his name, Ron Darling. He was

998
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: the darling because he went to Yale University. But he

999
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: was like all he was like always smarter than everybody else,

1000
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: you know, because Yelle grads.

1001
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: And so he's like, talk to me about that team.

1002
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: That was an incredible team, incredible group of guys who

1003
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: loved and cared for each other one that's why we

1004
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: want That's what was so special about it. Because we

1005
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: had lost the year before against the Cardinals and eighty

1006
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: five and we had won ninety eight games that year

1007
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: and our last game in Saint Louis. I remember eighty five.

1008
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: Our locker room was quiet after the season was over,

1009
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and we just felt like we're coming back with the

1010
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: same group of guys. But we felt like nobody's gonna

1011
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: ever put their foot on our neck. Again. You know,

1012
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: We're never gonna let that happen again. And we came

1013
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: into eighty six that year and our first day and

1014
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: spring training, David Johnson goes, we're gonna win it all,

1015
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: and we just kind of looked around and thought to ourselves, Yeah,

1016
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna win it all. And we got off to

1017
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: a slow start, and then the media was like, yeah, right,

1018
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna win it all, and we just took off.

1019
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: And when we took off, we didn't look back. And

1020
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: the thing about us is you didn't want to mess

1021
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: with us because we're gonna put these on year. It

1022
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: was real. It was real, this team here, the eighty

1023
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: six men, not all the other teams, you know, because

1024
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: we had guys like Kevin Mitchell.

1025
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Then Mitchell like he used to have a go too

1026
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: when he played for the.

1027
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: Hand. Yeah, but mich but Mitch was something man because

1028
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: every time we got in the fight, we always had

1029
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: to look for Mitch because he he would always have

1030
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: somebody in the choke hold and he's straight trying to

1031
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: kill him because he had one guy in Pittsburgh, Sammy

1032
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Khalif he's like miss let him go, Miss like kill us.

1033
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: He hadn't locked up, and it's like you gotta let

1034
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: him go, Mitch, you know. But but he was a

1035
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: part of it. You know, he was a part of

1036
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: everything that we did. You know, as far as the team

1037
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: and the players, we all had each other back because,

1038
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, if if we went out, we went out

1039
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in the group because we knew that people were gonna

1040
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: like be trying to, you know, pick at us. So

1041
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, players went out in the group. And then

1042
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: when they got into trouble, you know, they got in

1043
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: the group fight like it's in Houston. They got in

1044
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: the group fight in the bar and they got arrested.

1045
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: And the secret chary he called me and he goes, Straw,

1046
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: he goes, good thing you in bed and he was

1047
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: like what happened? He was like, your boys got arrested.

1048
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I missed it. I was saying

1049
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: to myself like that, I'll say what happened? He said,

1050
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: they got into a fight in the bar, and I

1051
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: was like, wow, man, I hope they didn't get hurt,

1052
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: because those are your boys, you know. You know they're

1053
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna be there for you, you know, through through it all,

1054
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: because you know, when I used to charge your mount

1055
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get to him, they got to him,

1056
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, by the way.

1057
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: You know, did they get to play the next day?

1058
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: The guys, Yeah, we got to play the next day.

1059
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the guys they got arrested, got out

1060
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: and still played the next day.

1061
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we still played, and they still played the next day.

1062
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: And we were in Houston and the fans were like,

1063
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, they had like signs up with the match

1064
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: being arrested behind bars and stuff like that, and yeah,

1065
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: the same thing what they had, Like the fight. They

1066
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: hadd me in the cardboard cut out with my face.

1067
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just it was the life the light

1068
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: of the jail uniform from life and had my face.

1069
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh that she was a classic.

1070
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: Talk to us about one of the most unfortunate but

1071
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: memorable plays in the history of the game, that Bill Buckner.

1072
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: Well everybody wants to blame Bill Buckner for that play. Yeah,

1073
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: of course he missed the barker. He was trying to

1074
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: beat Mookie to the base. But you think about Stanley

1075
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: and Sharoti, they couldn't get nobody out. That was two hours.

1076
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: That's where it started. That's where it started right there.

1077
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, they just go to the Bill Buckner player,

1078
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: right and Sharati couldn't get nobody else. Stanley comes in,

1079
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: he throws a wild pitch and he's bitch a scores.

1080
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 1: Mookie comes up, he battle, he hits the ground ball

1081
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: to Buckner. Buckler knows that his knees are bad, and

1082
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: he tries to beat Muoki to the bag and he

1083
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: misses the ball and Ray and that comes in the score.

1084
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: Buckner was a great player, you know, people he almost

1085
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: had three thousand hits. You know, people don't recognize how

1086
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: good of a player he was. But he was late

1087
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: in his career and he had some injuries, and he

1088
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: just made a play where he didn't make the play,

1089
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: and that's all it was, you know, And and they

1090
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: crucified him and Boston. He couldn't even go back there.

1091
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: He couldn't even stay there and live there. I wouldn't

1092
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: want to live there anywhere in Boston. You know, those

1093
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: people there, man was something else, you know, for the

1094
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: way they treated him and his family and everything, and

1095
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: it was really sad. And then they finally after they won,

1096
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: they were like, okay, we forgive you. Well so so

1097
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: he said, his knees is bad from all the years

1098
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: of playing. His knees is already bad, already bad bad

1099
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: hip bad knees bad.

1100
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: And you got Moviie Wilson flying down the base.

1101
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: Movie coming down that back fast too, and it would

1102
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: have been a close play. But you know, I think

1103
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: he went to get the ball and he looked up

1104
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: and saw Mookie and the ball rope right under this.

1105
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: Stuff left the midst of nineteen ninety the John the

1106
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: Dodgers said, that was the biggest regret of your career.

1107
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Why, well, because that wasn't nothing against you know, my

1108
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: hometown and the Dodgers. It was against the fact that

1109
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: I was used to playing in New York Major bed

1110
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: with the Mits. You know. I was eight years there,

1111
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and didn't realize that I would miss

1112
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: the animals. You know, of what I call fans. They

1113
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: act like animals when you don't play well. And I

1114
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 1: love that. I got off on that, you know, because

1115
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: they come to the ballpark early and they never leave

1116
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: and they sit over the dug out and they yell

1117
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: at you and tell you suck when you're sucking. And

1118
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I thrived off of that. That was big for me.

1119
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't one of those players that felt

1120
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: like that that was a problem. I was like, I suck.

1121
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm finna hit two off the schoolboard.

1122
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember Deebo Dr Boston, he was like,

1123
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: came over and was playing with us. I remember he said,

1124
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: what're you gonna do tonight, strong man? I said, Man,

1125
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit two off the schoolboard. They're gonna call

1126
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: me out for curtain calls. I ain't coming out from

1127
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: the curtain calls. I'm going down in the tunnel, smoke

1128
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: me a heater, smoked me a heater. And then yes,

1129
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: yes he's a new one. But it also happened. He did.

1130
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: I used to do it all the time, go down

1131
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: there first bam off the school but they called. They

1132
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: stand on their feet. I'm down there puffing new porch,

1133
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna smoke me, and they say he said, they say,

1134
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: what you go do that? I said, I'm gonna hit

1135
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: another one. Bam, I hit another one. He said, you're

1136
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: going out curtain cars like, man, I'm going down there

1137
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: and puff me. They tripping. They were born just a

1138
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: minute ago. And that's that was That was part of

1139
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: what I miss. You know, sometimes players have to play

1140
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: in places where it drives them, you know, and that

1141
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: was just one of those particular type of players. New

1142
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: York fans really drive me, you know, they make me go.

1143
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: Can you talk about your deferred money contract? Was one

1144
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: of the first ones to do it actually still getting

1145
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: paid me from the nets. Now you got teams like

1146
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: the Dodgers abusing it. He abusing this. Yeah, deferd was

1147
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: a big thing back then. You know when I signed

1148
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: the contract, when I signed a contractor was nineteen eighty four,

1149
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: after my rookie year, it signed eight year in deferred

1150
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: money and and put it away, which is which is

1151
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: a which is a great idea. Yeah, which is a

1152
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: great idea because if you don't you he me, you're young.

1153
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you're gonna be running through them dollars

1154
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: now you're gonna be buying everything cars and another car

1155
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: just to have another car, you know, yeah, exactly. And

1156
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: I did all that and and I realized that, you know,

1157
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: if if I did hadn't done that, you know, would

1158
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: have never had that there, you know, for it for myself.

1159
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: And it was it was a big part of you know,

1160
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: my agent doing that for me, because when you're young,

1161
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: you don't know about you don't know about you know, finance,

1162
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: and you're not thinking twenty years from now. You're not thinking.

1163
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: You're not thinking afterwards once you're done. Uh, where am I?

1164
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? What's next? And and and I think

1165
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I was sitting in that place just like mostly everybody.

1166
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: But now the way they deferred money, they're gonna be

1167
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: paying players forever, yeah, for a long time. And you

1168
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: started it, and they can they are franchise you know,

1169
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: franchise franchises can do that because of uh, they're never

1170
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: going out of business, right, so they're gonna alway being

1171
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: able to have you know, money in, money coming in,

1172
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: money going out, money coming in. So you got a

1173
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: chance to play when you were Barry, Yes, how was that?

1174
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: Barry is the greatest player I ever ever seen. I

1175
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: saw Barry when he first came up with the Pirates.

1176
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: Never seen nobody like that. I was like, Wow, who's

1177
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: this guy, A little skinny kid they got Pittsburgh. He

1178
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: turns a ninety five mile Parol fastball, Doc Gooding around,

1179
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: hitted out the ballpark. I said, man, he's special. Then

1180
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: I saw him play. I was like, there's nobody, nobody

1181
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: like that. And I mean nobody. I don't care how

1182
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: many players have played this game. There's never been a

1183
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: player like Barry Bond. Never. Boy could do everything good

1184
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: and he'll let you know it, which was which was

1185
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: great because I know and understand why he was like that,

1186
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: and you know, the media didn't know and understand why

1187
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: he was like that. But it was like that because

1188
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: they treated his father bad and his father was a

1189
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: great player, and he never got the credit for, you know,

1190
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: the kind of player he was. See what a lot

1191
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: of times what people don't understand this. Black players never

1192
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: get the credit for how good they really are and

1193
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: what they do because you know, the media always want

1194
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: to make it out of well, well, well you should.

1195
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: You make it look so easy. This is not easy

1196
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I mean, this is hard what we're doing,

1197
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, out there on the ball field and trying

1198
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: to be a complete player. And that's what Bobby Bonds was,

1199
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: and that's what Barry Bonds was. Barry took right after

1200
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: his father being a complete player playing the game of baseball.

1201
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: I have never seen nobody ever that good.

1202
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: From the second youst step in the batter's box, timing,

1203
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: what's going through your mind?

1204
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna get two good pictures, so showing them

1205
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: I got to hit may follow one off. You know,

1206
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: picture may think he's got me, but I'm gonna get

1207
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: another good one.

1208
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 3: You gotta wait on they meet ball. Huh, I'm gonna

1209
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: get it, yeah, because pictures are dumb. Ship, They're gonna

1210
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 3: throw a ball.

1211
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what I what I know about him,

1212
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, because I bade him in like you know,

1213
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, he got me all. He got that

1214
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: fastball by me. No, you got to him all my hands.

1215
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: But next time I'm to extend these hands and I'm

1216
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna get him out because he's coming back in here.

1217
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Many of them used to do that. I got straw

1218
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: on the inside because he filed it off. He came

1219
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: right back in, got the hands out quicker see you

1220
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, And that's just part of the game. You

1221
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: learn how to play with them if you if you don't,

1222
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: if you don't know who you are, you could never

1223
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: elevate your game if you don't know who you are

1224
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: when you're facing somebody that think they got you, because

1225
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: if you don't, he's gonna get you, because it's already

1226
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: hard enough to do. But I had that. You got

1227
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: to have that mindset of you can't beat me, you know.

1228
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: And that's what I did. I had that before I

1229
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: even stepped in about his box. I'd be on their

1230
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: own deck circle. And this out, well, a lot of

1231
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: people don't know how the game. I learned how the

1232
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: game was good. I'm on their own deck circle. I'm

1233
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: watching the catcher move in and out because see when

1234
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: he moves in, its fastball in, when he moves away,

1235
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: his fastball away, when he sits in the middle of

1236
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: the plates, breaking ball. So when I get up to

1237
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: the plate, I don't have to look back. I can

1238
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: feel him moving and I know I know he's coming in.

1239
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I can feel him when I can feel him when

1240
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: he moves in, because you know how to catch you

1241
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's how to catch it. He's always looking

1242
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: up at the hitter. But I never had the peak,

1243
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, because I knew why you feeling the field

1244
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: that I got from you, You're gonna move. And when

1245
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: you move, if it's away, oh I got you. That's

1246
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: a fastball way. You can't throw a breaking ball away.

1247
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: He's the only time he sets up in the middle

1248
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: of the play is when it's off speed. So that

1249
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: was always fun. So I want to one more question

1250
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: a BYuT that.

1251
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: So he's saying, when they throw an inside, you want

1252
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 3: to get your beat out early.

1253
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: Get that. Yeah, get my hands through. Okay, I just

1254
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: got to get my hands through to the zone. The

1255
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: basket gonna come. It's all about It's all about your

1256
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: It's all about your hands when you there. And if

1257
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: you don't get your hands through and they dragging like jam,

1258
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna follow it or you're gonna jam it. But

1259
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: if I get those hands through, the batch coming, and

1260
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna take care of that point first.

1261
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: The first thing to come to minds about about these

1262
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: players and situations. You win the World Series with Jeter

1263
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: in ninety six, his rookie year, thoughts on that team

1264
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: and in him his first year.

1265
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: Jeter was incredible, incredible teammate. Was he getting donuts and

1266
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: ship as a rookie? Uti? No, I mean he didn't.

1267
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't have to do rook Yeah, he did,

1268
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: not mean because he rolled in there and he was.

1269
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: He rolled in there and he was he was so

1270
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: cool and so good man, I mean, and he just

1271
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: he was just one of those players that had it

1272
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: okay because everybody didn't like him, and everybody wanted to criticize.

1273
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: But he wasn't that good man. You played for the

1274
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Speaker 1: New York Yankees, the short stop of the best team

1275
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: in baseball. Who cares if they don't like And people

1276
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: used to say things. I used to think to myself, Man,

1277
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: dere God, I don't know how you don't come back

1278
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: and say something about it. I was like, man, food's

1279
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: talk about say something to me? Like man, I was

1280
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: all up in their face. And I don't care teammates

1281
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: or not, you know. But he wouldn't be that guy.

1282
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't that guy. He just let it go and

1283
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: he just went out there and played every day man,

1284
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: and he became like just a solid player, uh and

1285
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: became the captain of the Yankees. What I love about

1286
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: him is he kept his life private. Man, that boy

1287
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: had some women. Boy, I ain't mad at him. Yeah, yeah,

1288
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But he kept his business out

1289
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: of the paper, you know, and he didn't let he

1290
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't let nobody know anything about him. And that was

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: a good thing about him. And he was smart. He

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: waited till his career at the end decided well, now,

1293
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, let me settle down and let me get married,

1294
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: let me have a family. So, I mean he did

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Speaker 1: it the right way.

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Speaker 2: George Steinbrenner, how instrumental for you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, the boss was incredible. I mean, he loved his players.

1298
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: The media was always negative saying things about people, Oh,

1299
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: he shouldn't get this guy, shouldn't get the guy George.

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Speaker 1: It's like I think he was like, more like, who

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01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: are you to tell me who I should get? You know,

1302
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: George was all about people. He was all about helping people.

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01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: You know. I think he probably knew a lot about

1304
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: people that struggle with different things and he just had

1305
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: great compassion for that, you know. And and the media

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01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: never wanted to give him credit for that because you know,

1307
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: he was helping this guy, helping that guy. This guy

1308
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: had a problem, This guy had a didrug problem. Helping him.

1309
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: Why is he helping these guys and most of the

1310
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: most of the people and ownership and stuff like that,

1311
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: and people in front office would turn it back and

1312
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: looked the other way, and a lot of people complained

1313
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: about him. You know, when I was going to the Yankees,

1314
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, screw you, guys. This guy

1315
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: is a New York guy here. You know, he's coming

1316
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: in here and he's gonna play for the Yankees. He

1317
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna play for me. So I was always great, you know,

1318
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: grateful for him and his family and what they did

1319
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: for me and my family. Mariano rivera moe. Couldn't hit him,

1320
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: couldn't figure him out, nobody, and he only had one pitch,

1321
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: a cutter. They threw it like ninety five and when

1322
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: it came across that plate, it may look like it's

1323
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: straight on television, but when that hitter is up there,

1324
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: that ball is not straight. That ball's cutting like that

1325
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: cutting is cutting on your hand. And that's hard. That's

1326
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: a hard pitch to hit when it's coming that fast

1327
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's got great movement like that. Because guys didn't

1328
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: the guys couldn't get the head out. You know, he

1329
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: sawing off bats another bats all though, so he was

1330
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: lights out.

1331
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: Legendary brawl versus the Orioles came off the top steps

1332
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: of the dugout with the flying punch.

1333
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: You remember that situation, A mindo beneath their do I

1334
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: remember it? Yeah, we're pretty crazy. Yeah, you know it's

1335
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: it's like we're the Yankees. Man, when you play in

1336
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: New York, you better either stand up or people are

1337
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: gonna and try to push you over. And Benita's hit

1338
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: Martinez Uh in the back after Bernie just run and

1339
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: then we got into the bra and we was all

1340
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: in there. Man. I was in the dugout fighting minute.

1341
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: It was like crazy, Man, I got hit, somebody busting

1342
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: me in my face. You gotta but you know you

1343
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: will get hit in these bras. You know why you

1344
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: gotta keep it for. You got to keep moving, you know.

1345
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: But I hit and I fell in the dugout. Now

1346
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: I get hitting the dugout. Now we're going bra and yeah, yeah,

1347
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, he called me off guard. But you know what,

1348
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: great hit. Yeah, but I didn't fall out. Now you

1349
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: got you got a good one there. Why I came

1350
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: but I I was right there and standing up and

1351
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: he hit me and we went at it and was

1352
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: on was that the dude? That was someone else hit you? Right? Yeah?

1353
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: Because I was like felling the dug out. I was

1354
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: coming back up like you landed on your feet. Though

1355
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: He's like bam. I was like, okay, yeah, that's that's

1356
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: good right there. It's part of it when you were.

1357
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Speaker 2: Team team, Team, Team, Girk make the dream or real

1358
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: quick before we get to quick hitters. Obviously, steps and

1359
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: abuse was an issue throughout your career or excuse me,

1360
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: at some part of your career. How did you manage

1361
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: that and was still out there every day as a pro?

1362
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: I guess because of a life like I said, before

1363
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: growing up and when you grow up like where I

1364
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: come from, you you know that you have a window

1365
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: of chance and opportunity and you make the best out

1366
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: of it. You don't let anything destroy that for you.

1367
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: Even though it was destroying me, I still didn't let

1368
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: it destroy the fact that I can go out there

1369
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: and perform. And that was a uh, that was a

1370
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: great thing. Like I said, from where I come from,

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: and when you when you come from those areas, man,

1372
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: you got to be tough. I mean people, I think

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about it Stephen though, I

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: mean he he comes from that. You come from those areas. Man,

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: you you cannot be in between. You got to know that,

1376
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of what that, I could still get

1377
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: up and do what I need to do. Uh as

1378
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: hard as it is, uh, but we do it. And

1379
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Speaker 1: I think that that all comes around from, you know,

1380
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: the area I come from and school and all the

1381
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: things that I had been through.

1382
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: When was enough for enough for you? When did you

1383
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: did you seek help? Was one day? Just stop it?

1384
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Speaker 1: It was a long journey, you know, I mean it was. Man.

1385
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: I ended up in the Florida State Prison with a

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: T one sixty nine because of addiction down there in Florida,

1387
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: messing around in Florida in the South, and they were

1388
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: talking about I was a mester society. The judge was like, no, not,

1389
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: he has the drug pubm. He ain't killed nobody. You know,

1390
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? People have drug problems or

1391
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: are illed. You know, it doesn't mean that they're bad.

1392
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: People have. The people in their courtroom got then thing

1393
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: they do everybody, Yeah, exactly, that's it. That's all it is.

1394
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: They just hide it better because you you do know

1395
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: that when you've been around it and you learn and

1396
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: you see they have the same everybody. Everybody they got

1397
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: they got some of them got the same problems. People

1398
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: in high places got the same problem. You know, they

1399
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: could be see you all over company. He's got the

1400
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: same kind of problem. And just like you said, they

1401
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: hid it better. And you know, when you on the

1402
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: spotlight and you're a professional sports, they're gonna they're gonna

1403
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: hammer you. They're gonna put you on the spotlight and

1404
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: they will keep that beam on you until they destroy you.

1405
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: Use that's their whole purpose is to destroy you.

1406
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.

1407
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: Let us know, smartest picture you ever faced.

1408
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: The best people you ever faced with. Nolan Ryan. Okay,

1409
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: Nolan was old school. He had a different demeanor, a

1410
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: big old country boy. He was standing on their mound,

1411
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: his legs just big, his shoulders just big, and he'd

1412
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: be like looking at you, like you better get in

1413
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: the box. You know I ain't playing. And if you

1414
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: didn't get in the box and you dig in, he'd

1415
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: be like you better not dig in either. He had

1416
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: just looked like, don't dig in, get in the box,

1417
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: because if you dig in, he's coming right up under

1418
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: your chair. You don't care who you are. School. He

1419
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: was the old school baseball. He's like Bob Gibson, Tom

1420
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: sever those guys like pitch up and in on you

1421
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: and get you off that plate. Yeah, Robert learned the

1422
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: hard way. Are you sure who's the goat? Who's the

1423
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: gold in baseball? Barry Bonds? No doubt. One album you

1424
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: can listen to on repeat? Oh? One album George Clinton Uncadelics, Buncadelics. Yeah,

1425
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: I can't go wrong with that. We grew up with that.

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01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up with that in high school.

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Speaker 3: Rank them, Jordan Kobe Brown, rank him, Jordan Kobe.

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Speaker 1: Labron. Yeah, yeah, childhood crush. No, you have one, especially

1429
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: New York at eighteen with that bag. I don't know.

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean I had to be what's your name? Jane Kennedy.

1431
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't want said that before us the first time

1432
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: hearing the funniest teammates you ever had?

1433
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: In what team? Was it? Funniest teammate had to be

1434
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: Lenny Doctor there with the match and you know he's

1435
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: just dude, dude, you have a slur, he said like

1436
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: he used to. Yeah, do you think the girls wanting?

1437
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: You think the girls I was like, yeah, dude, they

1438
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: love you.

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01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: If you can see one guest on our show, who

1440
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: would it be? But you have to help us get

1441
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: your answer on the show. One guest on your show?

1442
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: Oh Man, who would that be? No, I don't know.

1443
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to see I would like to see Derek

1444
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: Geter come on you guys show. Yes, yes, I would

1445
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: got to be so definitely welcome Derek, Jesus well Dale. Man.

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01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, cringe yall, legend, baseball legend. Thank you

1447
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: for sitting down and spend some time with us.

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01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: Man, thanks for having me bro appreciate you, guys. Manager,

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: you sir, you sir, you sir.

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: That's a rap, Daryl Strawberry. You can catch us on

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: All the Smoke YouTube and the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week. M hm mm hmmm, h

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Speaker 1: m hmm.