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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to uh the Matt Carney episode. Are

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Speaker 1: you good, buddy? That's the same hat you had on?

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Speaker 1: Or do you always just wear the Portland hats? It's

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Speaker 1: just my I just get lazy, so it probably the

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Speaker 1: same at Yeah, I have if you walk down to

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Speaker 1: representing home, right. Are you still a die hard home guy? Uh? Yes, Oregon? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I still claim it somehow. I've been in Nashville for

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Speaker 1: but yeah, Oregon is still gets in you. I'm six

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Speaker 1: generation Oregon in so my family came over on the

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Speaker 1: like covered wagon Oregon Trail. The game you played in

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Speaker 1: high school? Middle school? That was my family probably high

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Speaker 1: school for me. I don't go to very good high school.

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Speaker 1: We just got it like eleventh grade. Was that when

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Speaker 1: Oregon Shaw comes out? Because I played that game. So

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Speaker 1: Joey dies of dysentery? Yeah? Do you fort the river?

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Speaker 1: How many oxen? So if you're in Oregon during Oregon Trail,

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Speaker 1: is there a story you're proud of that? I guess

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a context. I didn't know people in

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Speaker 1: Mike d Yeah, okay, because that was we would go

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Speaker 1: because this is typing class. This is the only C

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Speaker 1: but I go and the if they be. The only

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Speaker 1: you get to be in what? You just didn't the speed?

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Speaker 1: We're playing trail too much? I was. I think I

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Speaker 1: was just goofing around too much. It was typing. Who cares?

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Speaker 1: And then in college, the only I made a C

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Speaker 1: because I made a see in French. No no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: But I took French because we had to take a

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Speaker 1: pretty this point in mind. I went to my my

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I deserve to see. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to use this. Please, I haven't begged

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Speaker 1: my god, he listened, because I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: deserved it. Really, you what kind of student? Were you?

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Speaker 1: an effort thing. Yeah, that was really just I didn't

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Speaker 1: But I was not a good student. No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I thought I was dumb, but

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Speaker 1: And I get grounded, but you if you just leave.

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Speaker 1: Now we were just talking. You can't give. You can't

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Speaker 1: that it's bad. I was. I was my poor parents.

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Speaker 1: See how I would think you're such a cerebral guy

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Speaker 1: probably school was probably too easy for someone like you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: still like just didn't work. I just didn't vibe that way.

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Speaker 1: but no, my brother was really smart. I was like

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Speaker 1: into what. I don't know. I just didn't move me

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Speaker 1: You went to call you. They paid you basically to

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Speaker 1: play soccer in college. What a scholarship, Well that's kind

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Speaker 1: Do you ever have that? Because I I just know

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Speaker 1: because I'm terrible at it anyway, So you don't tweet much.

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Speaker 1: I don't know I should tweet more. I had to.

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Speaker 1: You ever watch Full House? Okay? So I did a show,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she was someone like I grew up. But

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Speaker 1: So that's gotta be cool, right. Yeah. Somebody that you

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Speaker 1: and it is that what it's all about. Like for me,

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Speaker 1: that's what I try to find. How do how long

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Speaker 1: I never got into radio for the music. Loving the

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Speaker 1: so let me ask you this question. You're a big

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Speaker 1: music guy like myself, obviously probably bigger. Best live show

445
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Speaker 1: you ever been to, best live show I've ever been to.

446
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Speaker 1: Um Springsteen, I'm love him. I saw him that the

447
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Speaker 1: Meadowlands right before they tore it down, you know, that's

448
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: like the Giant Stadium, and he got out and they

449
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Speaker 1: he he played like seven hours or something. Yeah, he

450
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Speaker 1: and he was playing Born to Run that night, which

451
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: is like, was amazing. And then he got up there

452
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: and he started the show though with uh, pull out

453
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Speaker 1: your wrecking ball, and it was like this they were

454
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Speaker 1: going to tear it down, and he was writing about

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Speaker 1: this and they had the words that they had his

456
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Speaker 1: like whatever they you know, what do they give old

457
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Speaker 1: people so they can remember their lyrics? Yeah? They have

458
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Speaker 1: the teleprompter like all I have that. I mean, I

459
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Speaker 1: don't think I'm that old. I just I just I

460
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Speaker 1: associated more with like old rock bands, even though I

461
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Speaker 1: need one now because like script lyrics. But but they

462
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: put it on the big screens and it was just

463
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Speaker 1: like he's going through the lyrics and bring out your

464
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Speaker 1: reckon ball and he's reading. No, he was just playing

465
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Speaker 1: the song, but they had the lyrics. No one never's

466
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Speaker 1: the first time. I don't know. This song wasn't out,

467
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: hadn't been released, so he just was like starting this

468
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Speaker 1: song with this this show with this song. It was

469
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Speaker 1: really beautiful that Elton John play with the prompter and

470
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: so he has so many hits. Yeah, yeah, no, I

471
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Speaker 1: get it. It's also seventy I saw Steven Tyler play

472
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Speaker 1: with a prompter. I need one, So I'm right there

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Speaker 1: with you. You got a lot of words, some of

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Speaker 1: you a lot, but but you also wrote those a

475
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Speaker 1: lot of words. I know, but that doesn't mean yeah,

476
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: but every album you add like a lot more words.

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't played something in a while, it's hard.

478
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Speaker 1: But some stuff that just goes away. You don't remember

479
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Speaker 1: every song, do you know every song? No? Okay, That's

480
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like just goes away. It's you replace

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Speaker 1: the new. No. Like there's been times where you're doing

482
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Speaker 1: like an acoustic performance or something intimate where someone like,

483
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Speaker 1: play this song, I'm like, what's the first line? Help me?

484
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, because I don't. Usually they're like, if you

485
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Speaker 1: get the first one, you're good, and then like the

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Speaker 1: first of the second verse, you're good. Those are like

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Speaker 1: the hard parts. Yeah, So we'll do songs. I'm in

488
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Speaker 1: a stupid band and even cover songs as long as

489
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Speaker 1: I can get that first even word. I just gotta

490
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Speaker 1: be put on the railroad track. Sometimes I can't find

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Speaker 1: the railroad track. You put me on the roller tracking

492
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Speaker 1: pretty good. I was playing a songwriter show the other

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Speaker 1: night and we were playing at the Franklin Theater, which

494
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Speaker 1: is about four hundred people, and I was a guest,

495
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Speaker 1: a big songwriter, Lee Thomas Miller. He write a bunch

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Speaker 1: of number one country Heather More again, and so we're

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Speaker 1: playing and I'm watching. He puts his phone up because

498
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Speaker 1: he's not normally a performer, he's a songwriter. He can sing,

499
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Speaker 1: but you know it, probably writes a song a day.

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Speaker 1: And he just had the first word, every line on

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Speaker 1: his phone. He didn't have all the lyrics. He just

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Speaker 1: had the first and that's all he needed. Because he

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Speaker 1: wrote brother's Osborne. It ain't my fault. I don't know

504
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Speaker 1: remember that song, and it's got a lot of words.

505
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Speaker 1: He wrote it with them, and so he just had

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Speaker 1: the first line of ever, and I thought, Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: how to do it. That's all I need. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: get me going. It's the first line, all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll have a little line like similar first, just a

510
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Speaker 1: couple of lines written on the piano and a piece

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Speaker 1: of tape or something if I if I need to

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Speaker 1: remember stuff. So spring Stein is your best live shows

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Speaker 1: that when she played here, it was so good. It

514
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: was so good, man, I still see that. Why was

515
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Speaker 1: that good to It was just like, I don't know,

516
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Speaker 1: I'm not even a Beyonce fan. It sounded so good.

517
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Speaker 1: It was so over the top, like it sounded unbelievable

518
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: and like just this big cube, like just as a spectacle.

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Speaker 1: It was the coolest thing I've seen. What was the

520
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: big Cube? It was this giant cube that was like

521
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: as big as an entire building and it rotated and

522
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: then it was all led screens too that like separated

523
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: and it was just like and they were out in

524
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Speaker 1: what Nissan what's it called the big football? So it

525
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: was like larger than life, like it was like this

526
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Speaker 1: building you were standing in front of, so it's like

527
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Speaker 1: a feeling as a person. It was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: they created this like whole world where you were standing

529
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Speaker 1: in front of this building. I don't know, it's just

530
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Speaker 1: really cool. I was reading some stuff about you because

531
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Speaker 1: my my favorite artist is John Mayer, because I feel

532
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Speaker 1: like they're only a few artists that actually speak the

533
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Speaker 1: way you do, and you hear lyrics, you go, that's

534
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Speaker 1: how I feel. There are a lot of songs I like.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of artists to say a lot

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Speaker 1: of things I agree with. But I was a big

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Speaker 1: John Mayor fan, Like I loved Room for Squares. But

538
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Speaker 1: when Continuum came out and stop his trains on there,

539
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, stop the train. You know,

540
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Speaker 1: I'm only good to being young. That's my favorite lyric ever,

541
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Speaker 1: have it down in my living room. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: you were on that, the continuum towards John. It was like, yeah,

543
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: because I've had probably thirteen experiences with John and recently

544
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: they've all been great. But I think to be completely

545
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Speaker 1: awesome and weird, you also got to be weird. Like

546
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Speaker 1: it's not just a compartmentalizing thing where you're only weird

547
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Speaker 1: when you create art, but in real life you're normal.

548
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Speaker 1: That's not how the world works. And at times John's

549
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: been really weird. But but recently, the last many times

550
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Speaker 1: you've been awesome. Um so the Continuum record for me,

551
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: it's awesome. And I wonder, I guess he was cool

552
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: with you. He was super cool and yeah, it was

553
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: like sent me a when when we got the when

554
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Speaker 1: we invited us to be on the tour we got

555
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: I got a car that was handwritten, like, man so

556
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: excited to have you out with us. And and then

557
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: we came out. First day were first sound check, which

558
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: was I saw me like ran to the Monderdeskin was

559
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: watching a sound check for the first day and I

560
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: was just like, which was not cool. Actually, I freaked

561
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: me out. But yeah, he was. I mean, he was

562
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: kind of his own world. He was dating Jessica Simpson

563
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: at the time, so they were spending a lot of

564
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: time together. And uh, but so I wouldn't say that

565
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: we like hung out every day, but we had probably

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Speaker 1: a dozen decent, really cool conversations or and I would

567
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: seehim around. We we had the same lawyer for a minute,

568
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: so I I'd run into him a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: And I was walking down through Manhattan one day and

570
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I hear the mat you know, I look around, he's

571
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: like running down the street and said high. And so

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00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: he's always been really really kind to me. And I

573
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: think there is like the John persona and the interviews

574
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: and stuff that is a little like like row Bro.

575
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: You don't need to say that, but I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: He's just I'm a fan too. I just loved what

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00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: he does. And you know, there are some artists where

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm intimidated did by how good he is. I'm like,

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00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I should quit music when I see

580
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: what John Mirror does. He came on my show. I

581
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: saw the interview, so a bit of it. I was going, man,

582
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: he's way too smart for me to even talk to you.

583
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: And I'm going, I don't know How'm gonna get through this.

584
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: There was it clicked about ten minutes in where then

585
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: we just kind of yaid, he he has brain is

586
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: doing something different. He's he's working on a different level,

587
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Like he's so much smarter than I am. And I

588
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: was happy that at some point in the interview he

589
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: just decided to dumb his brain down and and and

590
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: bond with me over that. He was like, I think

591
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: he had just started smoking weed a lot on the

592
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: when we we're on tour and there's an after party

593
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: and he was obviously like feeling it and he walked

594
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: up to me like telling me about how he goes

595
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: the Vegas. He was like, see what, I'm the biggest.

596
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: It's like I'm counting cards and it's like it's like

597
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: perfect pitch because d is right here. Oh and then

598
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: like so if a king comes, like, oh, that's like

599
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: a queen and then I do all the math in

600
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: my head. And he was like talking ninety miles an hour,

601
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is happening? Your ain is weird? Bro?

602
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Like you're hearing like you're counting cards at a casino

603
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: through pitch, Like that's not normal. You're like, yeah, that

604
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: kind of weird person to make awesomely weird things. And

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00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's been kind of oddly awesome to be

606
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: around a ton of creatives and see that to be

607
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: that creative you have to be odd, and sometimes with

608
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Speaker 1: odd you don't quite you don't have to jell. I

609
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: don't have your friends with everybody to actually understand and

610
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: appreciate their art. Yeah, I think there is a case

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00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I've I've I've heard you interview you like,

612
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: but there are there's examples of people though that like Springsteen,

613
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: he's I would say, he's he's not weird at all.

614
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Speaker 1: You can't convince me that someone who does something so

615
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: different isn't so different also in some part of his

616
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: life some dark spots, you just can't. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a hard one for me. I know, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to hear Chris Stapleton interview today. I

619
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: was like, I was cramming for this and that was

620
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Speaker 1: a really good one. Actually, Chris and I have it's

621
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Speaker 1: it's been a good relationship. It was really good. Yeah,

622
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: you were talking about like do you feel if you

623
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Speaker 1: get if you fix yourself, that'll screw up, Like your

624
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: chances are succeeding because the screwed up part is like

625
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: which I was an interesting thought, which is kind of

626
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Speaker 1: what you're saying right now, right Maybe, Yeah, I'm scared.

627
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: I go to therapy. I try to fix myself, but

628
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: just so much I want to fix it all the

629
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Speaker 1: way because what if, what if I'll lose my drive?

630
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Speaker 1: Like what if I'm so fixed that I don't have

631
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's made me so freaking nuts to

632
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Speaker 1: get to do what And if I'm not tortured just

633
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm not on that edge that created

634
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Speaker 1: what is doing like the ultimate? What's the what's the ultimate? What?

635
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: What's it doing? Well, I'm just saying like, like I

636
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: relate to that so much because are you getting a

637
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: personality test or that kind of thing any Graham world

638
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: or like it's like all my friends are into all

639
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: my friends are into it too. Your it sounds like

640
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: a three what you would say like an achiever, like

641
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: you really want to go for things and and yeah,

642
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: like resume it's like this. But I don't know. I've

643
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: been in this weird world where I'm like, yeah, I

644
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: just like to work and accomplish things and do things.

645
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: That's me. I love accomplishments. I don't care about accolades.

646
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I have no absolutely no love on trophies. I love

647
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: accomplishing things though because I'm not supposed to and my

648
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm the always listen to app swimpool now, which is

649
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: crazy to me have swimpool, freaking swimming pool. It's crazy.

650
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I have a swim pool. So I go oh am

651
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: I not done even like live in a you know,

652
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: in an old department like I used to, to really

653
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: have that creative edge that got me to this point.

654
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Is that Swimanpool going to equalize what and this is

655
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: what goes through my mind. Gonna be chilling out too much?

656
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Last night I said on the porch, but your two

657
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: hours and just watched my computer and listen to music,

658
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, what's happening to me? This is

659
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: not me? Why am I not miserable? Miserable me works

660
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: so much harder. But I would say for for for

661
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: the Bobby bones like existence of health, like finding that

662
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: balance is really you know, I don't know I'm in that.

663
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm in this journey too, because it's like I'm I'm

664
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: going to my fifth record and you're like, man, okay,

665
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I've been on major labels, I've had success, I've done this,

666
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and you start like putting your whole kind of identity

667
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and existence into that and yeah, you can produce, but

668
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: like at the core, like you know, you're much more

669
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: than that. I'm much more than that what I accomplish

670
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: and and ultimately great work and that stuff won't come

671
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: out of just like insecurity fear like I think, like

672
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: maybe some frantic work can, but I don't know. I

673
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: think you're you're successful in spite of that, not because

674
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: of that. Mm hmm. Yeah. I feel like again, I'm

675
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: thirty eight. I have accomplishments, but I don't have a

676
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of real life stuff. You know, I went through

677
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: some some some beast years that were very tough, and

678
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that's created a lot of walls for me.

679
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: And I like to control what I can control because

680
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to control a lot earlier. So now

681
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, so my question is do you know anybody,

682
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh dude, this is I love it. This is like

683
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: my own I'm going through these same things in the

684
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: fact that like Burnee Brown is this author that I love.

685
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: She's amazing. She's like a Ted Talks, like the most

686
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: watch Ted talks, and she talks a lot about uh, perfectionism,

687
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: and like I would have I when I work on

688
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a record, when I work on something, when I put

689
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: on a show, I work really hard. And perfectionism is

690
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: this thing where you think you can like be free

691
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: from criticism or because you're it's going to be perfect,

692
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: no one can pokeohole at me. Then because I've created

693
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: this perfect thing, and she does this whole argument about how,

694
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: uh no, that's actually not like data proves that your

695
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: perfectionism is actually gets in your way. It's actually your

696
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: successful in spite of your perfectionism. Like perfectionism, when they

697
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: break it down to what it does to you and yours,

698
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: it actually doesn't help. And it's really an interesting thing

699
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: that I've been kind of diving into. Do you worry

700
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: getting deep? Are you going to be so balanced though

701
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: now that you have a baby that you're not going

702
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: to be able to create that I'm so unbalanced because

703
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: I had a baby, bro Like I am, Like, maybe

704
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: you're nutty. I had like poop stains on my shoulder.

705
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: That's not balanced on both shoulders, that'd be balanced, Yeah,

706
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: it was only on one I would be. I'm gonna

707
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: play Here's Kings and Queens. By the way. I love

708
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: this song MATC Harney, Here's singing we don't need no bag.

709
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: Make this feel about we don't need no kills killed queens.

710
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: That's I think my favorite song wrecord, which is why

711
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: like I would have had you come and play it

712
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: by yourself, but had you and when I saw you

713
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: and Jillian both and Jillian are cool. Yeah. I was like,

714
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: oh it's my favorite too, I love it. Yeah, and

715
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: she I loved having her there. So how did you

716
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: two get together to do the acoustic version of the song? Well,

717
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: just working, you know, I've kind of been in a

718
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: transition with like my team and different people, and so

719
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 1: I've been working with Big Loud in Nashville, and uh,

720
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: she was one of their artists and I just became

721
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: a fan because we're around her and you're seeing the

722
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: music she's creating, and um, I wanted to put at

723
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: an acoustic version. And I went to my manager of

724
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: SETH and I was like, yo, um, would Jillian be

725
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: on it? And he's like, I don't know how to

726
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: send it to her? And she was like, let's do it.

727
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: So yeah. It was really like she's such and she

728
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: is crazy good in the studio. She sings and it's

729
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: not like a normal person like perfect takes perfect. Yeah,

730
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: just crazy. I'm a fan of her music. And then

731
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I took her out on tour for a couple of months.

732
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: Whenever be like I said, the dumb band, we're actually

733
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: fun to watch, but we're not very good. I'm the

734
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: lead singer Church how good we are. But still we're

735
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: we're pretty, we're entertaining. We're very entertaining. So she comes

736
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: out and she opens live nails it the thing about

737
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Jillian that was crazy to me, And I say, hey,

738
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: come out and do a song, not for my sake,

739
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: but for your sake, because you'll saw a bunch more

740
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: merch if you come out during my set when people

741
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: are really dialed into the show, and I'll be like

742
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: and buy merch. You know. He still come out. So

743
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: she comes out and we can play anything. You know,

744
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: we've we can play anything badly. So I said, hey,

745
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: what do you know? It's the first night I should

746
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: have went over with her before. She's like, I don't

747
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: know anything, Like you know, you just have to sing.

748
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: What do you know? She says, I know nothing. I

749
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know any songs, any popular from the seventy Do

750
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: you know nothing? She knew no songs. It was all

751
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: hipster songs. All she knew was hipster songs. And so

752
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: then finally she goes, why no crazy, And I'm like, okay, crazy,

753
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: and so we so nobody knows it, and so my bassist,

754
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: who's also a crazy good guitar player, we have to

755
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: switch it. So all tour long, my Basis played bass

756
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: whole night. Then on Jillian's song My Bassis, she would

757
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: grab the guitar from my guitar player and come up

758
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: and earn Jillian will play crazy and it was a

759
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: nice moment. But Jillian's like so cool, she doesn't because

760
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: she doesn't know she's cool. She's pretty cool. Yeah, her

761
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: videos are super Yeah, she's cool. Man, here's the money.

762
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: I like this one too. This is on this is

763
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: not crazy talk. When you go into a record like this,

764
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: it this has a different style to it. All your

765
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: records have slightly different different styles, and this one, you know,

766
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: there's definitely some electronic flavor inside of this. Is it

767
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: a decision that maybe there are songs that didn't have it?

768
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: There you go, we should probably add it. So the

769
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: records fluid, uh no, because I've always had like pretty

770
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: schizophrenic records and not been afraid of that. So there's

771
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: always like a weird fulk moment or like there's a

772
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: song called wanted Man on this record that's very like,

773
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, some weird like James Taylory song or something. Yeah. Yeah,

774
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's definitely uh, there's definitely like textures and

775
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: themes and concepts you're working on, But no, I just

776
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: I've always been like of the Beatles camp. It's like

777
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: each song is kind of its own world and as

778
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: long as they're great songs and they're not like jarring

779
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: kind of, it's more of a collection of songs than

780
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: is this like concept record play some Wanted Man and

781
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Crime You'd take my You make me feel wanting man,

782
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: You make me feel wanting man? How long this record?

783
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: What's this? What's your studio on? Light on this? Uh?

784
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: It took about three years to write all the songs

785
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: because I was writing while I was finishing up my

786
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: other record. And then man, I don't know, it's like

787
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: comes some songs like we took a day, some took

788
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: six months, and I bet it was a beer eight

789
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: months kind of off and on. But I was going

790
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: through a lot of different things. I was it was

791
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: my first I had worked as a manager. Greg Ladderman,

792
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: who's like an amazing human and found me and actually

793
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: signed John Byron found him and started this record called

794
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: A Were Records, And we were getting this place where

795
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going into my fifth record. I

796
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: needed something new I needed like a new perspective of

797
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: new life, and and I wanted out of my major

798
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: label deal. I was just kind of ready to do

799
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: something different and uh so I was going through all that.

800
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: So this record was it was. It took a lot

801
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: of time and also went really fast because there was

802
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: a lot and I had a baby. It was just

803
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: like this weird It was the weirdest creative season in

804
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: my life. You do hip hop, you can see that

805
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: a hip hop artist? Me. Yeah, I mean no, okay,

806
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: but you said, I mean, so there's part of you

807
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: that does you probably think you're better than a lot

808
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: of hip hop artists. Now, no, no, no, no, no,

809
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean I always always started. I started that way.

810
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: What was funny was I didn't had zero music upbringing.

811
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I didn't actually start doing music to college at all.

812
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: But I but in high school we would like when

813
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: I was being a punk kid and graffiti. We'd go.

814
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: There was this legal graffiti wall in Eegene, Oregon. I

815
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: got really into because it was really creative and all

816
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: my friends were these like kind of skater punk kids

817
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: and we'd paint murals and for fun we would put

818
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: on like an instrumental outcast instrumental or like Wu Tang

819
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Clan instrumental and like makeup songs on the way back

820
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: to school. So basically freestyle. Yeah we're freestyle and uh yeah.

821
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: We just started like I got really good at it.

822
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: I was like shockingly good, and then I started like

823
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: not being funny, and I was like, get really personal

824
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: and tell these stories and everybody's like whoa. And then

825
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: I started writing songs and writing like my own songs,

826
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: the outcast instrumentals, and they would kind of my senior year,

827
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: they were like people would kind of pass them around

828
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: the school. I was like, whoa, this is crazy people

829
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: who like what I'm doing. So that was kind of

830
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: my journey into that world. But I wasn't singing yet.

831
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've always had this kind of like autobiographical

832
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: kind of documentary style talking spoken word hip hop influence.

833
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: Would you say hip hop? Would you say spoken words

834
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,479
Speaker 1: lamp poetry. It's funny because because as soon as you say,

835
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I would not, I'm not a hip hop artist in

836
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: the sense of like I just I just would feel

837
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable using that. I would say I'm definitely influenced

838
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: by it, and like like Ed Sheeran would be influenced

839
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: by it or like a you know, but to put

840
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: myself in that world. I did do an interview with

841
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: like I was like, one of the coolest invites I

842
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: got to an interview. Was this like Canadian hip hop

843
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: blog or something. They wanted to interview me for a record.

844
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm in. Someone accepted me in

845
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: that world. But but I wouldn't. I definitely wouldn't. Um.

846
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I grew up on it

847
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: and it just crept its way into my music because

848
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do anything else. I couldn't

849
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: even sing yet, but I could kind of wrap this

850
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: weird melodic like storytelling. You did win hip Hop Song

851
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: of the Year in two thousand six for train Wreck,

852
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: a double work. Yeah wow, okay, evening you got what's

853
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: that make you think about? I don't like the song? What? Okay?

854
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Why don't you like the song? I don't know just this,

855
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what do I mean? It's not and

856
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, no, no, but what do you

857
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: think when it comes on? Uh? Like it was another

858
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: era of me creatively. It's probably like when the probably

859
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: like the seventh song I've ever written in my life

860
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: and you want a double work for it, Well, I

861
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: won't make you keep listening. No, no, it's interesting. Well

862
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: actually turn it back up with me lost for these words,

863
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: this motion of the silent side of flat was. I

864
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: probably even listened to this in eight years. Yeah, that's

865
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: pretty That's definitely more wrap than you can tell me

866
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: if you believe this. And I wrote that I have

867
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: a book come in a couple of weeks, and I

868
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: wrote about this that if you're if you continue creating,

869
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: then not what you're creating, but if you continue creating

870
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: and you're not somewhat embarrassed by what you've created in

871
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: the past, you're not moving forward, you're not distancing yourself

872
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: from it. You can be proud of it and still

873
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: be embarrassed by it. There are old things that I've

874
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: done that I've been embarrassed by, but I'm proud of

875
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: them because they got me to the next spot. They

876
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: got me to the next spot. So my theory is,

877
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: if you listen to something a few years ago and

878
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: you're not embarrassed by it, I mean you're probably still

879
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: in the same spot. Like if you're not embarrassed that

880
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: you haven't grown, so you hear that. Do you think

881
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: I just grown so much as an artist or you're

882
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: like it wasn't thinking come on, I mean maybe like

883
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely like the more hip hop leaning that was

884
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: me coming out of that world. So it's probably more

885
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: like directly influenced in trying to occupy that space of

886
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: like the hip hop thing, which I don't know if

887
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: you like, I don't know if that fit me to

888
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: the core. You know, you're trying things, and sometimes you tried,

889
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're like you look back at a picture,

890
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: You're like, why why did I wear those jeans? Like,

891
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: come on, you've grown, like like you've grown for those

892
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: four months. I thought those jeans were so cool? Why

893
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: but I was way off? Yeah maybe, yeah, you're right,

894
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: you've grown. You have grown. I've grown taller a bit

895
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: later in life too, oddly, really oddly, I don't know

896
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: why I to keep growing and always yoga or something,

897
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: you getting better posture. You do yoga because I do

898
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: a little yoga. I love it. I just I don't

899
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: do anything, So you don't You don't stop doing anything

900
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: because you don't do anything. Yeah, exactly, you don't do anything,

901
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: and you're and you're You're like, you're very disciplined, to

902
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: disciplined doing anything for a long period of time and stuff.

903
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: Even not doing something is doing something right like respect,

904
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Like that's my thing. Let me talk about sleep number

905
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: for a second. Maybe you've heard me talk about my

906
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,040
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907
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911
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be a couple of the disagrees

912
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: on mattress firmness. Wouldn't be nice just to have a couple.

913
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: Ah Sleep number beds let you choose your ideal firmness

914
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: on each side so it's right for both of you.

915
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: You can actually feel how it contrast your next shoulder

916
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: back SIPs, and it relive, it releaves pressure points. There's

917
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: even an adjustment for snoring. How about that. My sleep

918
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: number setting is thirty. My sleep I can score last night?

919
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I didn't look. I'm just trying to be honest,

920
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: but I will say that it's usually in the low nineties.

921
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: I do move a bit right now, if you're listening

922
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923
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924
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925
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926
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Speaker 1: number dot com slash bones to find the store nearest

927
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: to you. Alright, so crazy to talk. You put on

928
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: twelve songs, eleven of yours and cover accurate. How do

929
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: you feel about albums now? Because I mean, you put

930
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: out a record. We're in the world now where the

931
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: debate is. You know it is an album worth it

932
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: because you can put out just the math. You can

933
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: put out ten songs and they'll stream it a million

934
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: each being can put out one song and if it's strange,

935
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: ten million, you actually make more than if you did. Yeah.

936
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: That so, and it's also all the flashing lights and

937
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: remaining in the marketplace. Because you put out a full record,

938
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: you kind of shot a shot for a minute. So

939
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I just wonder your thoughts on the album in today's

940
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: consumer environment. Well that was really why the approach on

941
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: this record was we actually put out I think it

942
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: was five or six songs, five songs before the album

943
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: came out and then released the final I think six.

944
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: The sixth song would have been on the day that

945
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: it dropped, so that doesn't really count, but the really

946
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: seven at the end. And I still think that album

947
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: obviously is super valid as an artist, and its like

948
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: someone who. I think my fans weren't that. I think

949
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: they wanted a body of work to listen to, you know,

950
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: put on there on the boat driving around or there

951
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: driving home from work. I think they want a body

952
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: of work to immerse themselves in from you, um, the

953
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: core fans, but there's definitely people who, you know, it's

954
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: definitely moving in a way. It's almost like the fifties.

955
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: It's very single driven, and I don't think it's all bad.

956
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, like I was reading a

957
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: Bondo Bonno interview and there it was this kind of

958
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: laziness that if you were a big band or you

959
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: could just like you needed one song that really was great,

960
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: and then you could kind of put out your album

961
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: and they could be concept songs. And uh, some of

962
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: that's sad that we've lost that, but some of it's

963
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: also good because it's really aid. Songwriting has to be better.

964
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: You can't just put like you just can't throw something

965
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: on an album and call it done. You have to, like, literally,

966
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: each song has to be a very noteworthy experience in

967
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: itself for people to care about it. And I think

968
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: that's not bad. It's an investment in time now, you know,

969
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: back in our day, because we're really at the same

970
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: age that you would go buy a CD. I remember

971
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: going to buy the right set Fred c D because

972
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: I wanted I'm Too Sexy and I couldn't get on

973
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: Too Sexy without buying the whole album. And it was

974
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm Too Sexy around track three seven right pieces of

975
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: garbage maybe one other song that was okay, but they

976
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: got you because to get that one song you had

977
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: to go to Walmart and buy the c D. Now

978
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: you have the option to check or plus mark or

979
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: what it didn get rid of these songs immediately, and

980
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: even if you like something, there's seventeen new albums coming

981
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: out on Fresh Music Friday or whatever it is. It's

982
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: crazy how much music comes out right now. So it's

983
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: harder to matter, Yeah, it is harder to matter. It's

984
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: harder to stay in the marketplace. I mean, it's harder

985
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: to cut through. It's hard. Yeah, it's it's interesting. It's

986
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: an interesting challenge. And I've been in the business long

987
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: enough where I've seen it kind of. I was probably

988
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: the tail end of the last garb of like, you know,

989
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: my Columbia. When I put out my first targ on Columbia. UM,

990
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I think we spent like just the money was different,

991
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: everything was different. It was very We spent like almost

992
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: three grand on the first music video. I didn't know.

993
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: I'd had nothing to do with that. That's just what

994
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: the label did. They're like, no, there's what We're gonna

995
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: shoot film for three days and it's a really beautiful video.

996
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: But I just that whole model of kind of building

997
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: this huge promotional piece around one song to drive an

998
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: album sales. Yeah, it's died. It's not it's no longer

999
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: a thing. It won't ever be a thing, probably right.

1000
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: And the great thing about that though, is, as we

1001
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: talked about the negatives, is that every song had really

1002
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: has to be at this point, you know, you can't

1003
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: put out garbage because it just won't exist at all.

1004
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: It's will just be h filler, Like there's no filler

1005
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: really what which to me. It's really I think it's

1006
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: encouraging in the sense of, like I love, that's how

1007
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: I create. That's kind of how I create too. I

1008
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: don't create like these kind of concept albums. Songs are

1009
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: very um, they're their own children. And then you get

1010
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: an album together and yeah, there's there's similar textures and

1011
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: you're working with like different layers. But each song really

1012
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: is its own thing, and if it's not like special,

1013
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't make the record, regardless of what the sonics

1014
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: or if it fits better. I don't know. I've never

1015
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: really been that way. It's very like the songs raise

1016
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: their hands themselves. So it fits me because I like

1017
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: putting out songs that I believe in. It's tough for

1018
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: the consumer to digest twelve songs. It just really is,

1019
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: especially when we let's compare to something else Netflix, when

1020
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: there are a hundred shows offered to us, and the

1021
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: first moment in the show that we're watching, we feel

1022
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: like that it's not for me. We just jumped to

1023
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: the next one. Yeah, right, And so in a twelve

1024
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: fourteen song eleven song record, see at track four and

1025
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: you go, I don't know not next you go to

1026
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: the next thing, and so you know, time is so

1027
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: valuable now and these records. I was listening to Bob

1028
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: left sets. Do you know who he is? My any change? Okay?

1029
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: He was talking about how they will only be concept

1030
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: albums in the future. Otherwise it's just put out good

1031
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: songs one to three stay in the marketplace. Only concept

1032
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: albums makes sense. It does make sense now. I don't

1033
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: know about the concept album, you know, my and I

1034
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: start to think about radio in the world of you

1035
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: know what I do, Well, here's what the future of

1036
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: radio to me and not my I don't do radio

1037
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: for Terrestrial, it's part of it. I mean, we have,

1038
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, six million people a week to listen to

1039
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: Terrestrial and another three or fourth listen digitally. But it's shifting,

1040
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: it's slowly shifting. People will come and they listen to

1041
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: my show, not because of the music, the music companies,

1042
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: the show we talk about, but they listened to her opinions, thoughts.

1043
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: They're here to laugh, here to cry, you know, it's

1044
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: uh the only place that they can find. You know,

1045
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: Howard Stern or Charlemagne the god or is on our

1046
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: channel and so well radio is going to turn into

1047
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: is back to the fifties how music is. And you're

1048
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna listen for your DJs to tell you what songs

1049
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: they like instead these universal, interesting programmed playlists. It's going

1050
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: to alter all the charts and you're gonna have a

1051
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: few guys. Otherwise, why would you listen to something in

1052
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: five years, three years? It just tells you what to

1053
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: hear when everything is available for you. A playlist for everything.

1054
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: There's a playlist for everything. When mood are you right

1055
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: you gotta fart? Gotta playlist feeling good? Yeah, yeah, that

1056
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: moment you can y Yeah, poop on your shirt? Yeah,

1057
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: the on the shirt playlist. That's a good one. Actually,

1058
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh is it? There's a lot of back You work

1059
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: at the Starbucks by the Rhyman. They told me that

1060
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: before you come in the radio show. I never brought

1061
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: it up. I think I got lost in your eyes

1062
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: or something. But what what was that story? Uh? Yeah,

1063
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: I used to work at the Starbucks on Fifth and

1064
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: Church and uh walk by the Rhyman all the time,

1065
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: and there was I mean it was would have been

1066
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: so far fetched to actually think I'd play there. And

1067
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: we played there the second time on this last tour,

1068
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: and which was about a little more special because um

1069
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: just because it was moving slower. I could like the

1070
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: first time we played though, yeah, I was telling the

1071
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: story funny. I was like, we're doing the special thing.

1072
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: We should probably have like unied content for everything, right,

1073
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like, get a get a video guy down here.

1074
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: It's like film this. We'll put a little piece together

1075
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: for the fans. Let him know. But I was very

1076
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: was the end of the tour was very much. By

1077
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: that time, you kind of um like things are working

1078
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: for you, Like it's it's like a well oiled machine.

1079
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: You kind of know when you're on autopilot a little bit,

1080
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: like with the show. And and we're doing the interview

1081
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: and there I'm like, okay, now we need to get

1082
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: some content. Let's do an interview. They're like okay, so

1083
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: they're filming me and tell them about the story, like

1084
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: a story get Starbucks. And I never thought i'd play

1085
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: here and out of nowhere, I like can't talk. I'm

1086
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: like bawling in this interview. And this guy I don't

1087
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: even know him. He's just like a dude the camera

1088
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: that I just like we found someone knew him and

1089
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm just he's looking at me like I'm like, I can't. Yeah,

1090
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: I was just really meaningful to be in this place

1091
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: and in Nashville with so many legends that have played there,

1092
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I feel a little bit like I'm fooling everybody,

1093
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: but to be there, it's just it was really special.

1094
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: And the second time was even more special, just because

1095
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: I actually felt like I slowed down on purpose. Do

1096
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: you have a poster syndrome? Oh? Yeah, I have it heavily.

1097
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: When you said that, I was like, oh, I get that,

1098
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: but I mean you hear you right, like you're actually good. Well,

1099
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: I mean you always hear yourself. But I know how

1100
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: I got there, you know, Like I think when you

1101
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: write a song, you're like, oh, they're definitely moments that

1102
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: you um. The great songs are freaky, they're spooky, they

1103
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: just show up, but they're just like given to you.

1104
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: It's really odd. I wish I understood it more, but like,

1105
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: great songs just appear, and those moments are definitely like whoa,

1106
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: this is cool, Like whatever is happening, however, I've been

1107
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: made and wired that this can happen in my life

1108
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: is really special and I am in all of those moments,

1109
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: but they still don't feel like me, they feel like

1110
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: outside of me, and then uh, the rest of it.

1111
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: You see all the hard work and labor, and that

1112
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: goes into something you're like, oh, I get how I

1113
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of pulled this one off, Like I get it,

1114
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: like I did this and then I put this chord

1115
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: in there and then I said this, and I don't know.

1116
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm fooling everybody. Yeah, I do too,

1117
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: I really really do. I feel And I've said this

1118
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: before that like I'm on a string of seven eleven

1119
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: robberies and eventually they're gonna catch me. It's just a

1120
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: matter of time. Because you don't rob seven elevens forever.

1121
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: Eventually they catch up with you and go, Okay, you're done,

1122
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: time to go to jail. You've been robbing seven elevens.

1123
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel, because I don't really I

1124
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: don't only have a talent. You can sing and I'm

1125
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: a fish. You have a talent that Yeah, I was

1126
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: just a listening to you. Yeah, but okay, but carry on.

1127
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I think you're very talented. Okay, thank you. I mean

1128
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: my own way. That's a problem. No, it's a unique talent.

1129
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: It's very unique. It's why it's super unique. Actually it's

1130
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: really cool. But yeah, but can you rip with John

1131
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Mayr soul? No? No love to me to come on,

1132
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: I want to do everything. I'm a mediocre comedian. I'm

1133
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: a media I can I don't even speak right. I'm

1134
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: a radio I can't even speak like my mouth doesn't

1135
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: even work right. I don't. I don't talk well. My

1136
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: grammar is not good. I get being typing, do nothing

1137
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: particularly well. I just I just work, and I feel

1138
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: like eventually, you know, they're much more talented people. But

1139
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: I heard you say that. I'm like, oh wow, Maccarnier

1140
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: has a poster syndrome. Were the same, wihoul your best friends,

1141
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: it'll be like I don't belong here. Well together, we'll

1142
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: do that to each other, like he asked me out

1143
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: to coffee, he doesn't want to be here. Oh man

1144
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: on dates a long time. But I would feel every

1145
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: relationship early on, like why are they really dating me?

1146
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: They probably really don't want to date me. They probably

1147
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: just like that I'm talking to them on the radio,

1148
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: pus an accountant, but they date me? No, I go

1149
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: through that? Did you go through that? That's how I

1150
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: met my wife? Like? Uh, partly maybe my like insecurity

1151
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: of like I will win you, but also she just

1152
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: didn't care. I remember I met her. I met her

1153
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: at Anthropology in town. She was shopping. I was shopping.

1154
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: We knew we had friends in common. And I walked

1155
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: up to her and I was like, there was a

1156
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: group of friends. And I thought she was cute and

1157
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I thought I was like, hey, have we met before?

1158
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: She goes no like that. I was like, oh okay, sorry,

1159
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: I was like, we met. I go, I go, we've

1160
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: met before? She was no, like that, And and she

1161
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even remember that. This just sums it up. She

1162
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: doesn't even remember that interaction, right. I remember it deeply.

1163
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: She was wearing purple boots. I put it in a song.

1164
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: This whole Hey Mama was the song. It's about this

1165
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: whole interaction. And she doesn't remember it at all. Uh.

1166
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: She said she had a margarite at lunch. That's why

1167
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: she hasn't remember it. But I think that's she just

1168
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: doesn't remember it. But yeah, like we so we I

1169
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: met her. I saw a fido with coffee, shop, went

1170
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: up to her, got her like I think we are.

1171
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: It was my Space era. We had a friend in comment.

1172
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I saw her. So I commented on her page or something,

1173
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: and then we went on a date. And then a

1174
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: month had gone by, and this is after nothing Left

1175
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: the Losers happened. So I was like, I had like

1176
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: a gold record. It was like a big deal. And

1177
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: about a month into dating, she's like, hey, I heard

1178
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: one of your songs. I was like, oh yeah, She's like, yeah,

1179
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Changed the subject. I was like, you

1180
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: just don't care at all. I was like, you can

1181
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: help me, you know. It was like it was definitely

1182
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: like if I went to Tom. I was like, I'm

1183
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a janitor. She's like okay, she which is

1184
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: what I love about her and also what it's incredibly

1185
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: challenging also because sometimes you just want a fan be like, honey,

1186
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: you're the best of You were like you are the

1187
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: best writer I've ever heard. The way you use that lyric. No,

1188
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: that's never gonna happen in our relationship. How do you

1189
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: impress her? Then? What was it? How do I impress her?

1190
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: How do I impress my wife? I I turned off

1191
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: my phone and I say, do you want to go

1192
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: for a walk. It's like the lamest stuff. It's not lame.

1193
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but very much goes against like what drives

1194
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: me every day. So how did you? Quality time is

1195
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: her thing? I don't like quality time. I'll tell you

1196
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: what I like. I'm words. I can give you words,

1197
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: I can like you know, help you love languages? Here

1198
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: were we share in physical touch so we can kind

1199
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: of like snuggle on the couch watching Netflix. That that works,

1200
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a go to for us. But

1201
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: what was your what do you ask me? And what

1202
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: did What was it that got her though? Because it

1203
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: didn't sound like it was Hey, he's a musician. She

1204
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: just I mean, I think the music was not it.

1205
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: If anything, the music was like she did do like

1206
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: it was liability with that kind of lifestyle. Um, I

1207
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: think it was. We just we was really clicked and

1208
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: fell in love and I thought she was She was

1209
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: really sweet and kind and uh yeah, she cared about

1210
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: people a lot, and and she thought I was funny

1211
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know, interesting and really ravishingly handsome. I

1212
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: was gonna say, how does she not think that? I mean,

1213
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: she was very attractive. And that's all I say about you.

1214
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: When you need him in person, you will be blown away.

1215
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: Good looking, you bring up nothing let me let's play

1216
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: this one. This is I felt being a fan of

1217
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: your music a bit odd asking you to play this

1218
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,479
Speaker 1: song just because I go I'm a fan. He probably

1219
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: doesn't play this song anymore. Song. Love the song really

1220
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: really I like to hear that because I'm a fan,

1221
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: and I always don't like because I like to have

1222
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: a moment and you're like, oh, finally they're playing the

1223
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: song that I love so much. Yeah, and your I

1224
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: just had. I just had. If you notice, uh, on

1225
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: the end of the course, there's like a missing measure.

1226
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: I just had lunch with the drummer who played on

1227
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: it yesterday, Lindsay Jamison, and uh, it actually has a

1228
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: drop measure if you if you try to clap. No

1229
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: one's going to care about this. I know they will actually,

1230
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: but there you know you you got one two three

1231
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: four four. Usually there's like the court changes, it goes

1232
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: one to three one two three four. It skips a

1233
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: whole measure which has this weird one more time to

1234
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: find you that whole thing. And it was really odd.

1235
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: And I was in the studio and I was like

1236
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: the drummers like, wait, what are you doing? You can't

1237
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: do that. I was like oh, should we add another measure?

1238
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, that's genius, that is amazing. I

1239
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: was like, really, okay, let's keep it in there. And

1240
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's song just kind of fell out of

1241
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: the sky. Was the extra measure. Uh so you got

1242
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: to but do you hear it every think about it

1243
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: every time to three one two three one two? So

1244
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: there was there's like a does anyone care about this? Yeah? No,

1245
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I do. I'm actually because I wonder this is something

1246
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 1: that nobody else is going to notice. But I wonder

1247
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: if you notice every time you hear the song. I don't.

1248
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: I just wrote it that way. You usually you should

1249
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: play a chord, like the normal structure of pop music

1250
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: in general would be, you know, you play one and

1251
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: two and three and four and one and two and

1252
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: three and four. That's what naturally everyone feels normal to people.

1253
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: But the way I wrote the melody one more time

1254
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: to fund and we changed chord and find you had

1255
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: this total like actually really nice release to skip that measure.

1256
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: So I just did it naturally writing I didn't even

1257
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: know I was playing my guitar by myself. I didn't

1258
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: even know what I was doing. I just did it

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Speaker 1: because it felt like the coordina did change there, and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I was like, A, I don't think about it,

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Speaker 1: but it is. Uh. When we played Conan with a

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Speaker 1: song a long time ago, Max Weinberg Springsteen, he's like,

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Speaker 1: what they didn't tell you the old studio was. He

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Speaker 1: was like ten ft the band is ten feet from me.

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Speaker 1: The st cross angles, so you think it's much bigger

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Speaker 1: than it was. They were. They were like hovering over

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Speaker 1: us like it was. And they played like you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're like bumper music. It's like right, just like

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Speaker 1: like it's so good and so intense. And then they're

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Speaker 1: like and Matt Carney and they point to you and

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Speaker 1: Max stands up, puts his drums under his arm and

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Speaker 1: stares at me over his shoulder, arms crossed like ten

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Speaker 1: ft from me, like right off camera. But you're just like, WHOA.

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Speaker 1: Max is intimidating me and he's trying to write and

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Speaker 1: we get to the chorus one moment time and every

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Speaker 1: drummer freaks out over that I do that, and I

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Speaker 1: he would get to the drop measured and he's like

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Speaker 1: knees buckle and he's like okay, and then he starts

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Speaker 1: like vibe into it, and then he waits for the

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Speaker 1: next one and we get to the second course and

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Speaker 1: he's like throws his hands up, He's like, yes, that

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Speaker 1: part right there, and then we kept getting to it

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Speaker 1: like it was winning Max over as the show was

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Speaker 1: going and I was like, this is gonna be like,

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Speaker 1: this is the greatest moment of my life. I was

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: watching a video of Harry Connick Jr. And he was

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Speaker 1: playing and the crowd was clapping on the wrong but

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: you know they're clapping up. They're probably clapping on one

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Speaker 1: and three instead of two and four. And I watched

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Speaker 1: him take his band and shift the song. It's an

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Speaker 1: amazing YouTube video. And if you're a music nerd, you're

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: fascinated that you can't do it, but you understand and

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: he takes it and he shifts it so there. So

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Speaker 1: they're playing on the two and four and they don't

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Speaker 1: even know, they have no idea, they're just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got swaggy. Look. Look if you think about if

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Speaker 1: you leave this room and you ever think about this

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: experience again, look at that video. It's amazing. Crushing it. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the funny thing is that's the problem, and

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: nothing left to lose because I couldn't sit in and

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Speaker 1: play it with anybody. I remember. Uh, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm name dropping. But Kenny did the thing with the Whalers, right,

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: and we had become kind of like acquaintances around that record.

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: He was way into that record and he randomly texted

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01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: someone or me and was like, Hey, we're at down Tutsis.

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Speaker 1: You should come hang out. We're doing this. Yes, were

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Speaker 1: it or I was no, No, We're just I was

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Speaker 1: just it was like he had invited some people down

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Speaker 1: by the way. Okay, I'll do it gladly. I'm a

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Speaker 1: three on the Instagram, was like lead with my resume,

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Speaker 1: That's what I do. Uh. But but they he said

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Speaker 1: come on down and we're just hanging out. And he

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Speaker 1: was doing the thing with the Whalers. What you're that

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Speaker 1: was a while ago, right, So he was like Bob

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Speaker 1: Marley's Whalers. He was doing like his reggae thing and

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Speaker 1: they were the house band and he was playing songs

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Speaker 1: and he's like, Hey, my best friend that I don't

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01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: even really think, my best friend I've only talked to

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Speaker 1: on the phone, come on up here, because we've been

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: talking the phone for a while and he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: let's play that one song, nothing left to lose. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: there's a drop Like you can't in front of a crowd,

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Speaker 1: be like, well, there's a drop measure. So we're established

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Speaker 1: the tempo. But then when we do it, you like

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Speaker 1: and I'm like going to the song like, there's no

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Speaker 1: in the band doesn't know the song dud. They're from Jamaica,

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Speaker 1: they're like stoned, like they don't listen to Mattcarney music.

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Speaker 1: And we get to the chorus and I'm like, there's

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Speaker 1: no way this is gonna work, but I just I'm

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Speaker 1: going and every time we get to that and they

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Speaker 1: would like it would like finally we get some momentum

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Speaker 1: going in the band and we hit that part and

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Speaker 1: it would just be like someone came through with like

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Speaker 1: a baseball bat and just like took out all the instruments.

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Speaker 1: It was just like chaos. And then we kind of

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Speaker 1: gather our strength again and like everybody, Okay, we got

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Speaker 1: this figured out, and I get to the drop measure

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Speaker 1: in the next chorus and it was like everyone slowly

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Speaker 1: played quieter and be like, yeah, it was it was.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It's like musical nerd porn. That's what

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01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: you just did right there for people that love it

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Speaker 1: that they loved that, dude. I mean we were talking

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Speaker 1: for hour. I appreciate the time. Man, Man, my pleasure. Man,

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I'm yeah, I think the record fantastic.

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01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: You know when anytime you put out new music, I'm like, oh,

1346
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: wonder what this is gonna be about. So yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I think I who fully because I think I was

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: probably at adding you on Instagram early. I'm going, hey,

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: check it out, so I'm not lying. Sometimes I lie.

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: Who cares, right, I've been like, yeah, it's pretty pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Not usually, but sometimes, uh well, everybody check out the record.

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed the time. And if I told you I

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Speaker 1: saw you in the airport once and when you talk

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: to you, because I was like, oh, it's my Garney.

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Speaker 1: The next time, I'm for sure I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: picture of you and then send it to you. And

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Speaker 1: but like I just saw you at the airport. Probably

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Speaker 1: just don't want to come up to you. But you're

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: a flying Southwest dude rocking the South all right, good

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01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: to see you. But Matt Carney and uh but by

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Speaker 1: the way again, don't forget to check out Christian Bush's

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Speaker 1: podcast called Geeking Out. Also, you can go back many

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: episodes and listen to Red Akins or John Oates from

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: Hollow Notes or Chris Stapleton and against stream download Mats Record,

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: check it out. Maybe you'd be a new fan. All right,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. You next time, everyone,