WEBVTT - Ellen Scanlon on Women & Cannabis 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:07.720 Hi, I'm Ethan Edelman, and this is Psychoactive, a production 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.600 of I Heart Radio and Protozoa Pictures. Psychoactive is the 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.040 show where we talk about all things drugs. But any 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.760 views expressed here do not represent those of I Heart Media, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.599 Protozoa Pictures, or their executives and employees. Indeed, as an 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.840 inveterate contrarian, I can tell you they may not even 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.120 represent my own. And nothing contained in this show should 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.040 be used as medical advice or encouragement to use any 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:44.839 type of drugs. Hello, Psychoactive listeners, So we got a 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.000 fun one today. My guest is Ellen Scanlon, and about 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.120 three years ago she started a podcast called how to 0:00:53.360 --> 0:01:00.080 Do the Pot, specifically for and directed at women, all 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.640 about cannabis. So, Ellen, thank you so much for joining 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.880 me on Psychoactive. Thank you for having me. It's great 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.720 to be here. Well, I'll tell you I've been listening 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.039 to your podcast and I'm really enjoying the kind of 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.360 very sensible advice that you've been given to people, and 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.920 and and the thinking about it. So, I mean, I 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.800 guess let me just ask you right now. I mean, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.080 I mean, firstly, just a bit about yourself, you know, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.240 when did you first start using cannabis? You know, my 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:34.200 first memory of it is in high school. I moved 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.800 when I was in high school from Connecticut to Maryland, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.680 and my parents were pretty strict and uh, they needed 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.880 to know where I was going to be at all times. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.000 But there was this moment in time when I had 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.520 moved and I was a sophomore in high school and 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.880 they wanted me to make friends, and so things got 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.800 a little bit looser with my social life and I 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.760 got to go out with some new friends and I 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.600 remember being at a party, uh and toten d C 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.280 and someone handed me a joint. And I've been around 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.600 it before, but it had kind of felt scary to me, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:12.160 I think. And I remember trying it and nothing much happened, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.280 to be honest, Um, but it was a very pleasant 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.480 experience and kind of got me more curious, not terribly curious. Really, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.119 College was when I think, um, it was more accessible 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.800 and more available, and so that's when I really started 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.600 to have more of a relationship with it. So would 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.960 you say that, I mean, you've basically had a positive 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:38.119 and friendly relationship with marijuana since your teens, I have, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.600 you know, I've always liked weed. Um. I like how 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.240 it makes me feel. I like, um that it it 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.440 sort of enhances creativity. And that's the type of weed 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.959 that I like. Was started to happen after college. I 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.320 moved to New York City and access got harder for me. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.640 You know, I think most women that I talked to, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.959 and and this is true for me as well, kind 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.200 of got weed through a g I and if there 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.840 was a guy in my life that had it, then 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.640 I had access, and if not, then I didn't. And 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.399 so that was sort of my story in New York. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.960 I also I was working on Wall Street. I was 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.400 like a very sort of high pressure environment, and I 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.200 think that, um it just it just changed, um my, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.000 my relationship. It wasn't around and I wasn't seeking it out. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.880 But that is to say that when it was around, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.480 usually I wanted to be a part of it. Um 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.800 But I don't like to get super high. And I 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.880 think that as I've gotten more confident with the plant, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.560 you know, I'm happy to say that, and I love 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.600 cannabis so much, but I also just really like to 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.480 use it in ways that match the environment that I'm in, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.440 and I think that that wasn't really as available when 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.200 cannabis was illegal and I didn't know what I was 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.400 putting into my body. M hmm, yeah, you know. It's funny. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.320 So I think about my own I want to use 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.640 going back to when I was eighteen, and I know 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.560 that that for me sometimes that it was a way 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.840 of kind of turning off my brain, like Okay, you 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.600 think you're high. Now you can't think about work anymore. Um. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.320 In addition to that, of course, is all about the 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.600 pleasures associated with it, in the enhancement of you know, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.200 positive things, whether it's sensory stuff for emotional stuff, but 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.320 for you. So this kind of turning off of the 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.720 brain element, like when you're working on Wall Street wasn't 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.560 really a part of it. You were sort of in 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.080 net work mode or maybe alcohol played that role. I 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:32.520 think alcohol played that role. And um, I I love 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.440 cannabis for its creativity and like being in nature and 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.760 taking a walk, and I think New York City was 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.160 a little stressful for me. I went to college and 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.840 in Charlettsville, Virginia, and I grew up in the suburbs 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.359 of Maryland and in Connecticut. And so I think in 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.640 retrospect that maybe just being really high in the middle 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.240 of New York City was just overwhelming. I screw the 0:04:55.279 --> 0:05:00.000 movies a lot, and those movie theaters with like twenty 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.440 front movies and tons of people, and it was very 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.200 hectic and it just, um, it wasn't as relaxing as 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.440 it had been for me in different environments. But so 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.960 you decided to start this podcast three years ago. So 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:17.960 what prompted that? Really it was health challenges, um, that 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.520 brought me to the plant and I, um, gosh, probably 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.720 about ten years ago now, I had a really bad accident. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.960 I was in New Orleans for jazz Fest and with 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.800 my boyfriend that and my now husband and a bunch 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.719 of friends who had grown up there. We were having 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.000 a wonderful time and we were riding bikes and I 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.039 fell off of a bike and I broke sixteen of 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.119 my teeth and I tore up my shoulder, I broke 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.320 three ribs my wrist, and um, it was it was 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.720 a very scary accident that didn't have sort of a 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.719 violent start to it, but it was. It was a 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.719 slow roll from there because I had to go to 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.920 the emergency room and um, they gave me some very 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.520 very strong pain killers. I came home to my friend's 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.200 house and was sitting talking with our friends and and 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.240 trying to sort of salvage the day. And suddenly I 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.200 woke up and I was on the floor. I had 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.599 passed out and hit my head. And it was sort 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.680 of the start of just an incredible number of side effects, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.600 um from different medications that I was given. If you've 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:31.080 ever had any dental issues, uh, each tooth, imagine about 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.280 three appointments and thousands of dollars and so I UM. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.440 I think very luckily, I don't handle opioid and narcotic 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.960 kinds of pain killers very well, so I wasn't able 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.360 to take those. But what I took instead was advil 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.880 about every three hours for ten months. And I had 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.359 been a person who prior to that, you know, I 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.960 did what the doctor said I did, you know, I 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.120 followed the rules. And this was really a moment, and 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.599 I was not getting better. I had to learn to 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.280 advocate for myself, and I had to advocate for myself 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.799 in a way that felt like I was going against 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.440 what I had been taught. And I think that that 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.200 was the start of of of thinking about cannabis in 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.800 a new way. I had moved to California just before 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.080 my accident, and so also living in San Francisco and 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.960 just having a very different environment around cannabis. UM it 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.440 was legal for medical use. I had a medical card. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.760 UM that was I think the real kernel of of 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.200 how I got into cannabis. I then, UM was trying 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.520 to have a baby. And the reason I'm mid forties 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.040 mom is because I didn't have my son until I 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.680 was forty, because it took me about four years. I 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.840 learned at the very end of this road UM, on 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.840 this fertility journey, that I have endometriosis. And endometriosis affects 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.000 one in ten women. It is the cause of fifty 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.520 to sixty percent of unexplained infertility, and cannabis is an 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:07.880 incredible treatment for it and endometriosis. Endometriosis is when the 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.240 endometrial tissue that should be in your uterus is in 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.000 other areas and other organs. People have described it. It 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.600 can be like a spider web on your other organs 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:22.000 and it is incredibly, incredibly painful, and it affects different 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.440 women differently. It can have g I issues. UM cramps 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.760 are sort of the most classic symptom that is related 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.280 to endometriosis. But I try and talk about it when 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.000 wherever I can, because cannabis is truly magic and it 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.200 has completely changed my life. UM. Not that other pain 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.880 killers don't work. They do, but they have side effects, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.520 and the side effects, as we know, can be addiction 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.800 and other very very challenging UM issues as well as 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.200 just physical issues for the people that are trying to 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.880 solve their problems with pain. So long, long way of 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.080 getting to cannabis, I think as a professor, but it 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.760 comes from from a real place of passion for me 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.040 because I talked to so many people whose lives have 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.640 been improved by consuming cannabis and bringing it into their 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.719 life for stress, for sleep, for pain and uh, and 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.040 I really don't want anyone to feel bad about that, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.640 which I think has you know, a long storied history 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.760 of stigma. Now. I mean, obviously, when you started this podcast, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.040 you could have done a podcast that was because you know, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.600 you're offering very thoughtful comments and feedback about you know, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.840 how to use marijuana with types and strains and the 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.760 benefits in CBD versus THHC, but you focus specifically on women. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.480 I mean, obviously some of the advice is generic, UM, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.920 but it's clear that that's the niche you've decided to 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.080 focus on, and how and why did you decide to 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.160 make that the niche. Well, prior to starting the podcast, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.600 I had been working for a women's healthcare company startup 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.760 based in San Francisco, and I think for the first 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.439 time I started to realize that women's health was really 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.520 different than men's. It sounds so obvious, but you know, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.680 I spent my early part of my career working on 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.200 Wall Street. I got my m b A. I had 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.560 been in very heavily male environments, which UM just didn't 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.920 have a lot of space for conversations about things that 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:23.239 were specific to women. And so between having this accident, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:29.400 which UM, you know, there are really frustrating statistics that 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.360 came out. I think in UM the University of Chicago 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.480 and Berkeley came out with a study that said something 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:41.240 like of women have been overdosed in taking prescription medicine 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.200 because the dosage is just too big, too strong for 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.320 their body type. For women, it wasn't until you know, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:54.120 the nineties that drugs were even being tested on women 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:59.440 because the hormone cycle quote unquote messes up the data. UM. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.720 And so I think that women are underserved in cannabis. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.080 I think historically there has been more stigma around women, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.360 and I really believe that cannabis is an incredible tool 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.640 for women. You know, the endocannabinoid system, which I'm sure 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.160 you're familiar with, but for your listeners who may not be. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.840 It's a system that's been in humans since there were humans, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.880 but it was discovered in the nineties UM by Dr 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:30.679 Machell lamb Chel, leading Israeli researcher, an incredible researcher who 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.160 has really just helped all of us understand the cannabis 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:39.319 plants so much, UM, and the carnabinoid receptors that live 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.440 in our body are you know, we have the system 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.840 that is similar to the nervous system, to the cardiovascular system, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.040 but the entire purpose of the endocannabinoid system is to 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.560 create homeostasis and balance and so really balancing your body. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.480 And men feel that as well. But the receptors for 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.359 cannabis are you know, the the top, the main receptors, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.000 the largest number of receptors are in the brain, but 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.959 after that they're in women's pelvic regions. And so this 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.760 is why cannabis can help with cramps. It's why it's 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.600 so effective for endometriosis, and so I think we're just 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:18.199 at the beginning of understanding ways that women can just 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.760 based on their hormones, UM, really benefit from cannabis. And 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.720 then you know, women disproportionately suffer from autoimmune diseases. Eight 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.560 out of ten people that have them are women. UM, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.400 women disproportionately stuffer from stress and sleep issues, and so 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.280 there were just a lot of health issues that UM, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.520 I felt were important to specifically talk to about women. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.160 I've been so thrilled that we we have, you know, 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.679 a pretty large male audience. It kind of veers from 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.040 depending on when we're looking at it, because I do 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.280 really feel like so much of the content that we 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.440 put out is practical, it's fun, it's meant to just 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.920 help you in your day. UM, but there are some 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.800 really specific things that cannabis can help women with, and 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.640 I wanted to get the word out about that. We'll 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:23.440 be talking more after we hear this add So just 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.360 going more in on the issue about because you spend 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.560 a fair bit of time talking about women in hormones 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.840 and so in terms of like dealing with menstrual cramps 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.480 or I mean, do you like, do you give advice 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.760 for example, where you are in your cycle and how 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.520 certain types of marijuana or combinations might be better at 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.880 different times in the cycle. Definitely, And I learned that 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.080 depending on where you are in in your cycle, cannabis 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.040 can be stronger. So as you are kind of in 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.520 the last phase right before you get your period, that 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.360 is when your tolerance to cannabis is the lowest, and 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.360 so you're gonna be getting the most high. So that 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.800 also is something that I think is in credibly important 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.600 for women to know. You know, I love CBD, I 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.640 love ratios like twenty to one, where I'm just feeling 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.560 that the benefits of sort of the balancing effects and 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.439 the calming and stress relieving, and so for me, as 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.320 I'm getting closer to my period, I lower my dose 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:21.040 so that I can maintain the same effects throughout the month. Um. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.920 So that is just one example of something that is 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.080 just really only affecting women because of their hormones. Is 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.400 anything knowing about the pill in marijuana and an interaction 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.400 or if any between them. Interestingly, so this is totally anecdotal, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.520 and I'm not a doctor, but I talked to women 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.800 who are on the pill and they don't have that 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.640 tolerance change. It's women who are not on the pill 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.720 who really notice the difference in how the weed affects 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.080 them at different times of the month. Well, how about menopause. So, 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.240 menopause is a really really interesting area. I think for 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.280 a lot of companies that are starting to pay attention 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.160 to this huge block of women who are not feeling 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.760 well and have money to spend on it. And so 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.160 I do think that there's more interest in cannabis in 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.680 older generations as well, baby boomers. Um. The companies that 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.560 I know that are focused on women and menopause are 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:22.520 putting out products like suppositories. Um So suppositories are um 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.800 you know, it's sort of like an applicator less tampon 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.680 that you insert uh into your body. And I think 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.080 for menopausal women who are dealing with things like a 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.040 lack of moisture, they can really just create those balancing 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.960 effects because of the endocannabinoid receptors that are in the 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.120 pelvic region. Sleep is another thing that really can be 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.360 a challenge for women facing menopause and cannabis, and its 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:51.240 depending on how your sleep issues affect you. There are 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.720 different types of cannabis. So we did four part series 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.520 on this because I was answering the same questions so 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.200 frequently that I just thought I have to put out 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.360 a very comprehensive series on this. And you know, if 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.480 you have trouble falling asleep, to each c can be 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.360 very helpful. If you have trouble staying asleep, CBD can 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.040 be very helpful. So there's some questions that you have 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.720 to ask around cannabis for sleep. But I think that 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.560 that along with stress are are are very um interesting 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.640 and I hope that more women who are facing amout 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.480 of pause are open to considering cannabis. Are you hearing 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.520 from many women who do not use cannabis either ever 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.680 and then start in their forties or fifties, or maybe 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.840 did use it when they were younger, stopped for twenty 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.360 years and or back to using it now. I hear 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.080 from women like that all the time, um, and I 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.800 think that you know, that's really who I hope to 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.840 serve with this show, because I think that legal cannabis, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.880 you know, in a huge part thanks to you and 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.800 two advocates like you, is just completely different, and people 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.720 who have been consuming cannabis for a very long time 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.160 entering the legal market are entering a new environment. UM, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.960 and so I am really trying to help people understand 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.520 this new landscape UM and what it means to have 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.560 legal cannabis and help to teach people how to do it. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.440 I talked to a lot of women who love weed, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.720 and I'll ask them what to me are pretty simple 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.600 questions like you know, what's your favorite strain or you 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.639 know what ratio do you like of CBD to th HC, 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.000 And they really don't know what I'm talking about because 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.760 they've been getting weed in a baggy. No, It's true 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.879 for long time users the often times don't keep up 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.760 on what's the latest. You know, it's probably I'm probably 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.119 guilty of that to some extent, makes myself except for 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.000 doing this podcast, we're now being obliged to learn, you know, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.600 more and more about this and I was learning stuff 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.280 from what listening to your episodes about the th hccb 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.520 D combination stuff. You know, I mean, I'm wondering only 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.280 it sounds in terms of the medical stuff and in 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:50.800 terms of a lot of what you talked about, a 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.600 lot of it is about the emphasis on cb D. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.520 You know. I had Martin Lee from Project cb D 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.480 on the Psychoactive recently and we're talking about what's the 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.600 latest research in this area, But it sounds like, I mean, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.480 for many people it's either the THI CBD low THHC, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.280 which works better for a range of conditions, thinking about 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.600 things like stress and anxiety and such like that. So 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.840 you know, why, why is that, and what's your experience 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.679 what have you learned about that. CBD is a cannabinoid 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.560 that really works well for me, and I am so 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.720 grateful for it every day. I think that there are 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.320 a couple of things about CBD that have been just 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.040 sort of hard for people to to take in. And 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.320 the first is that you really need to take it 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.280 for at least two weeks consistently before you're going to 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.199 feel any effects, sometimes a month, sometimes longer. And you 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.640 probably need more than you think. So having a little 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.080 CBD and some you know, beverage that you have something 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.680 like that, it's just not bringing that much into your system. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.680 And the goal of of bringing CBD into your system, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.159 bringing cannabis in general, is to create that balance in 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:10.399 the endocannabinoid system. And so I love CBD. I'm a 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.359 huge believer, but um, you need a little more than 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.600 you think, and you need to keep trying it for 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.639 longer than you think UM. And the effects can also 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:24.000 be fairly subtle, so if you are not UM paying 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.160 very close attention to how you feel. You know, I've 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.280 recommended CBD to so many friends and I'll ask them 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.439 about it later and say, how's it going, you know, 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.560 do you like the product that I recommended, And they'll say, oh, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.440 I'm feeling a lot better. I don't know, maybe I'll stop, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.560 maybe I don't need it, and I'm like, I think 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.520 that's what's helping. So it's it's a little tricky, and 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.480 it's typically the case that it's not CBD by itself 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.159 but with some element of th HC as well. I 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.199 take a lot of CBD by itself. I for me personally, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.960 when I am consuming th HC, I really like it 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.720 to have CBD in it, especially with edibles which can 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.760 just last a long time, and sometimes th HC can 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.960 make me anxious. UM. And so I found that this 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.320 sort of body effects. UM. They CBD is great for inflammation, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.680 and so I think we all probably have more than 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.639 what we should or what we would like, and so 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.119 it's sort of lowering that inflammation, which then helps to 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.960 also balance the endocannabinoid system and and bring on these 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:29.520 balancing homeostasis type effects. UM, So I I really like 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.080 CBD with my THHC. If I I just got a 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.119 pre role from delivery service with a mix of A 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.640 C d C and Jack Carreer low dos really pleasant. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.080 It was just like a wonderful kind of a little 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.240 bit of creativity in your head. But I also felt 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.800 like I heard you want to show talking about how 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.400 sometimes when you smoke weed, your come up with great 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.639 ideas and maybe they're not so good the next morning. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.439 And I feel like CBD sometimes can can UM just 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.720 counter that a little bit? You you kind of feel 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.600 more like yourself. So what's the ratio that you enjoy 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.000 with the T h C CBD in edibles? I like 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.720 it from kind of a three to one ratio to 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.000 about a twenty to one UM if I have a 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.520 little more time, if I, you know, have a little 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.080 bit more freedom, a one to one UM, like if 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.000 I'm going on a fun hike or something without UM 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.600 twenty part cd D to one part th HC. Yeah, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:30.400 we're newly non intoxicating. Uh huh. And but the CBD 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.000 N and you'll say you'll you'll you'll find some benefit 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:34.760 from it, even if there's not the slightest bit of 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.920 t HC in there. I get a lot of benefit 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.680 from it. I take it in UM a gel cap. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.919 There's a women run company based in Chicago called Equilibria. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.160 I love their gel caps. They own their farm in Colorado, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.399 and I've been using their products for a long time. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.320 And there'll be times when I don't have it with 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.800 me or I go away and I you know, I 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:58.280 run out, and I really noticed that my anxiety goes up, 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.720 my sort of irritability go is up. UM it has 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.200 a very very balancing effect for me. And what dose 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.160 level are you talking about? Anywhere from like seventy milligrams 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.320 to two hundred milligrams if I'm having a very stressful time, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.439 so it's a lot. And then is it kind of 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.199 daily supplement? What do you do for that that is 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.199 my daily supplement? I mean, I really think of it 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.199 as a supplement. Uh huh. So you might be if 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:24.720 it going through a stressful time, you might kick it 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.320 up to two hundred milligrams and otherwise be it around 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.400 seventy five or so exactly and taken once a day, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.840 morning or night. Does it make a difference. No, you know, 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:34.800 it's funny. This is sort of another part of the 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.719 medical side of cannabis that I think people have to 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.439 wrap their heads around a little bit, which is, you know, 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.040 doctors and nurses have talked to me about this. They say, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:44.919 you know, I have a patient who is used to 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.040 taking their medicine, you know, every eight hours or every 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.720