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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Third hour Clay and Bach kicks off right now. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for being here. Everybody appreciate you. On this President's Day.

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Speaker 2: Remember eight hundred two two two aighta two. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have some fun with this one. Worst three presidents in

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Speaker 2: American history, Worst three presidents.

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Speaker 3: In American history.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of it's funny. You asked me to

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Speaker 2: do the best president's Clay, I get to three, I

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Speaker 2: get to five, maybe seven or eighty. The worst presidents.

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Speaker 2: I could rattle off twelve or fifteen, just one after

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Speaker 2: the other. So I think it's easier to easier to

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Speaker 2: line up that list.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what you think.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into it, but I want to note that

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Speaker 2: bringing it into the here and now for a moment.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's still this immigration bill that is a

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Speaker 2: live issue in the Congress, and you have the House

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Speaker 2: version now, which is being led by a representative Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 2: out of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: So it would.

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Speaker 2: Automatically reject people who cross the border without a legal

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Speaker 2: paperwork for one year. It would restrict asylum, there'd be

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Speaker 2: less if of federal funds Australia. You won't be allowed

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Speaker 2: to use federal funds to move migrants between detention centers.

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Speaker 2: Remain in Mexico would come back critical policy put in

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Speaker 2: place by the Trump administration which anybody who wants asylum

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Speaker 2: but doesn't want illegal migration effectively doesn't want cheating, but

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Speaker 2: still wants Hey, if you're a real asylum seeker, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to get sent back to whatever country

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Speaker 2: it is and they're going to torture you and kill

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Speaker 2: you and your family, we still want to have that

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Speaker 2: process open, right, the asylum process, but we don't want

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Speaker 2: people lying about it. Remain in Mexico should be exactly

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Speaker 2: what those people would be in favor of. Also, forty

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Speaker 2: seven billion for Ukraine, ten billion for Israel, five billion

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Speaker 2: for Indo Pacific US allies like Taiwan, Taiwan, so there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of that foreign funding put into this. This

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Speaker 2: is not going to pass right, I mean, Democrats in

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Speaker 2: the Senate will not go along with this. Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: will not sign it because this would actually really help.

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Speaker 2: It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than what

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Speaker 2: the Senate bill was. No surprise, Republicans have a majority

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Speaker 2: Republicans the ones writing this.

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Speaker 3: But Clay, it's interesting as well.

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Speaker 2: If you saw going back to the Bill Maher episode

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Speaker 2: with Our Friend and Colter and Van Jones. The refrain

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Speaker 2: now from Democrats is Republicans refuse to.

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Speaker 3: Help on the border.

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Speaker 2: That Democrats said, Okay, we'll fix it, and Republicans refuse.

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Speaker 2: So Republicans are to blame. Now that's not really working.

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Speaker 2: They're trying this, but I think it's too much of

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Speaker 2: a reach. Were three years in change into the Biden presidency,

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Speaker 2: Biden made these decisions. We see these kick the border

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Speaker 2: wide open. And so now you're seeing that. There's talk

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Speaker 2: of in advance of the State of the Union address,

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Speaker 2: which I guess you and I have to watch because

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Speaker 2: this is our job, but it's going to be I

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Speaker 2: think pretty boring and frustrating. But anyway, in advance of

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Speaker 2: the State of the Union, he may do something as

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Speaker 2: an executive order on immigration to say I took action alone,

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Speaker 2: which is fascinating because the argument last week was Biden

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Speaker 2: can't do anything because Republicans won't do what we tell

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Speaker 2: them to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they're just trying.

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Speaker 1: We told you this is going to happen. They're minus

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Speaker 1: thirty five. The Biden administration is on border issues, and

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Speaker 1: as bad as crime is, as as bad as foreign

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Speaker 1: relations are, as bad as inflation has been the number

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Speaker 1: one worst issue for Joe Biden is the border. So

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Speaker 1: now they're trying to muddy the waters by first saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's get a new immigration bill done, even though really

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Speaker 1: to a large extent, that immigration bill was awful and

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Speaker 1: would have basically put in place via legislation the status quo.

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Speaker 1: You could have brought in two million illegal asylum seekers

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Speaker 1: a year still, which is an off the charts number.

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Speaker 1: It would have allowed Biden to have even more power

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Speaker 1: They're also simultaneously going to try to make Biden look

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Speaker 1: like a hero on the border, because again they leaked

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Speaker 1: via Axios this morning, the idea that this March seventh

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Speaker 1: State of the Union represents a new campaign launch for

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Speaker 1: Biden and that he is going to try to take

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Speaker 1: strong control of the existing border by doing what we

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Speaker 1: told you he could do all along, which is simply

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Speaker 1: put back in place many of the policies that Trump

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Speaker 1: had put in place by executive order that he erased

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Speaker 2: Some very good exchanges here. First on the issue of

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Speaker 2: the border. This is Calter v.

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Speaker 3: Jones.

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Speaker 2: So to speak up on Bill Mahers show. This has

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Speaker 2: cut five because they're trying to lie about the border,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to work.

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Speaker 2: It turns out there is a conspiracy to keep the

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Speaker 2: border open to flood the country with undocumented people, and

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Speaker 2: it's led by Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: How ashamed are you?

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Speaker 4: Republican Party?

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Speaker 3: Ashamed?

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Speaker 1: At this table?

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Speaker 3: Is anyone who believes that was a good border bill

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Speaker 1: The Democrats care about the borders?

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Speaker 5: You have?

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Speaker 2: Will you have?

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Speaker 3: Well, that was a good response, So I take it back.

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Speaker 2: You have the governor of Texas putting up razor wire

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Speaker 2: on the border, and what does Joe Biden do.

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Speaker 3: He sends federal Asians to cut it down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a guy who wants to get tough on

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Speaker 4: the border exactly.

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Speaker 2: This is this is key the Democrat line here that

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Speaker 2: because Republicans won't go along with a horrific bill that

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Speaker 2: will not secure the border, Republicans are the ones who want.

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Speaker 3: An open border.

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Speaker 2: It is an insult to the intelligence of any American

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Speaker 2: who is paying attention to this issue. It is insulting

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Speaker 2: to their intelligence. Van Jones tried it there. Yeah, the bill,

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Speaker 2: maher audience are gonna clap, but they're you know, that's

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Speaker 2: I think that's what's true. Everyone can see it.

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Speaker 3: You got.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna read this is from Axios this morning,

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Speaker 1: which I think contextualizes.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I like to read their morning dispatch because a lot

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Speaker 1: of times they're trying to set the aga, especially on Monday,

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and what they're saying is that Biden

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Speaker 3: Here's a couple of quotes buck.

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Speaker 1: Inside the campaign, there is real fear that if the

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Speaker 1: election this is a quote, many top Democrats are convinced

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Speaker 1: if the election or today, Biden would lose a rematch

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Speaker 1: with Trump. The March seventh State of the Union is

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Speaker 1: his biggest chance to shift public perceptions. And here is

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Speaker 1: the quote, this is the paragraph. One bold move Biden

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Speaker 1: has considered, we're told, is an executive order that would

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Speaker 1: dramatically stanch the record flow of migrants into the Southwest.

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Speaker 1: This could even happen in the two weeks before the address,

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Speaker 1: allowing Biden to say he took action while Republicans just talk.

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Speaker 3: So my question for you, Buck is this.

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Speaker 1: Our audience knows that Trump had effectively in many ways

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Speaker 1: shut down the border. The stem of illegal migration had

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Speaker 1: gone to loos that we haven't seen in years and

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Speaker 1: we've got whatever it is, eight to ten million illegals

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Speaker 1: that are going to come in at minimum during his

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Speaker 1: first term. And so do you think this mudding of

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Speaker 1: and it's not going to work with Republican voters because

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Speaker 1: they understand, they understand that it's a lie. Will it

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Speaker 1: work with persuadable voters to help to defray what is

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Speaker 1: the worst numbers for him out there?

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Speaker 3: That is?

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Speaker 2: I think it's very and I invite any Republican strategists

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Speaker 2: or whatever to listen up and deploy this.

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Speaker 3: It's very straightforward.

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Speaker 2: In the battleground states, you just run ads, very straightforward.

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Speaker 2: AD is the number of illegals by official government data,

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Speaker 2: which reminder those are undercounted from what the actor because

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Speaker 2: they don't really count got aways. And that now there

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Speaker 2: are hundreds of thousands of god away is here. That

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Speaker 2: means somebody gets into America.

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Speaker 3: We don't.

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Speaker 2: We have no idea. Okay, we have no idea. I'm

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Speaker 2: in al Zawahari. Well no, maybe not. But you know,

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Speaker 2: some of these really bad guys from all over the

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Speaker 2: world could be crossing the border, and that would be

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Speaker 2: we have no idea, right, That's that's the situation, that's

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Speaker 2: the reality. Yeah, we we anyway, but I know there.

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Speaker 1: Are hundreds of people on the terror list that have

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Speaker 1: come into the country that we know of since Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden came into office.

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Speaker 2: I was just for I was forgetting we actually got zaohii.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was like, wait a second. I was like,

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Speaker 2: can we get that guy? Yeah, zaa here, he's he's toast,

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Speaker 2: he's gone. Okay, So that's why I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: he can't run across the border. I'd forgotten that for

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Speaker 2: a second. Do you ever feel bad when you're when

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Speaker 2: you think of it.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's not a celebrity. He's an evil terrorist.

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Speaker 2: But you can't remember, and you're like, and you you

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Speaker 2: then you realize that we're getting older, Clay because it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Well, my big fear is when I suddenly worry that

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Speaker 1: I'm not spelling a word right that I've never worried

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Speaker 1: whether I was spelling right before. Oh yeah, no, that

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Speaker 1: you're writing a book right now, Like I bet you've

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Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, is that how you spell missile

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Speaker 1: or is that how you spell separate? You know, like

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Speaker 1: and suddenly you freeze on it.

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Speaker 2: But okay, sorry, back to my strategy session.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: You run the numbers and then you just run Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden coming into office saying we're going to freeze deportations,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden coming to office saying we're ending the Trump

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Speaker 2: policies have remade in Mexico. All you have to do

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Speaker 2: is show the cause and effect. Joe Biden is the cause.

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Speaker 2: The effect is eight million illegals piling into the country.

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Speaker 2: I think that anyone who sees that understands this is

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Speaker 2: a Democrat. It's not just a it's not a side

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Speaker 2: effective Democrat policy. It is the intent of Democrat policy

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Speaker 2: that we are flooded with this many illegals and now

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Speaker 2: they just don't want to be held responsible for right.

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Speaker 2: It's like they knocked the milk off the counter and

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Speaker 2: then looking around, who knocked this milk off the counter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It also is I think, really strong argument to say,

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Speaker 1: you had complete control of the House and the Senate

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, you could

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Speaker 1: have passed any bill that you wanted to pass.

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Speaker 3: You didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: You waited until Republicans are in control of the House,

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Speaker 1: and now you're blaming them for not fixing the issue

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Speaker 1: So this may be unfair and uncharitable, But William Henry

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Speaker 3: We were talking earlier in the show.

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Speaker 1: You go look, for instance, at the percentage of single

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Speaker 1: parent households that existed before.

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Speaker 3: The nineteen sixties. It was almost unheard of.

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Speaker 1: If you go look at the data of the number

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Speaker 1: of kids being raised in single parent households prior to

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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, it didn't exist by and large across

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Speaker 1: any racial group. Since the nineteen sixties, it has exploded.

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Speaker 1: And then you add in the Vietnam War, the disaster

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Speaker 1: that it was the fact that obviously he was only

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Speaker 1: in alle what was it five years after the assassination

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Speaker 1: of John F. Kennedy the decision. I think there may

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Speaker 1: be a historical analogy with the way that LBJ said

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Speaker 1: I will not seek and I will not accept the

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Speaker 1: nomination in nineteen sixty eight. I think there's a Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden congruency there on some level. And then the worst

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Speaker 1: president of all time, I have James Buchanan, and look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Civil War history nerd. The fact that James

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Speaker 1: Buchanan allowed. Remember, you didn't get inaugurated back then, Buck

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Speaker 1: until March of the year after you were elected in November,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't think about that. From

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Speaker 1: a historical context. It was difficult to get to Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. The inaugural process, But you're talking about basically

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Speaker 1: six months from election day until the new president got inaugurated.

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Speaker 3: I happen to think even.

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Speaker 1: Now, we have too long between when the election takes

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Speaker 1: place in November and the inauguration that takes place in Jailuary.

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Speaker 3: I think that's still too long.

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Speaker 1: I think we should get somebody in office faster so

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Speaker 1: you don't have as long as a lame duck presidency.

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Speaker 1: But back then you went basically six months, and the

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Speaker 1: entire country collapsed on his watch by and large in

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Speaker 1: the six months between when Lincoln was elected in November

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Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty and when he took office in March

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Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty one, basically the entire Civil War, the Secession,

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Speaker 1: all of that movement took place while James Buchanan was

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Speaker 1: sitting lame duck in the presidential office. I didn't put

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Speaker 1: any current presidents on my list for what.

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Speaker 3: I just said.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to judge somebody until it's

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Speaker 1: been fifty years after their presidency and have an accurate

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Speaker 1: reflection on what they did or did not do. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you wanted me to rank presidents of my life,

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Speaker 1: you could rank, and I could rank the presidents of

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Speaker 1: our lives. But I think it's harder in real time

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Speaker 1: to assess the impact of a presidency. I think you

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Speaker 1: need at least fifty years.

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Speaker 2: To objectively look at it, for the passions of the

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Speaker 2: moment to subside, and for you to be able to

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Speaker 2: look at the real impact of what exactly the presidency

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Speaker 2: did or did not accomplish. Is there anyone who gets

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Speaker 2: for you honorable mention, honorable the worst list on the

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Speaker 2: worst list?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean yes, but they would be when you

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Speaker 3: look at it. I mean.

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Speaker 1: Part of the problem is most presidencies have a part

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Speaker 1: of good and bad. I think that FDR deciding to

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Speaker 1: basically give a huge percentage of the government and entitlement

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Speaker 1: programs put them in place has been a ticking time

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Speaker 1: bomb that we're only now starting to reflect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that you can make a

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Speaker 2: case that the most controversial in the sense that on

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Speaker 2: the one side he is revered and on the other

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Speaker 2: side he at least by these who know is pretty despised.

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Speaker 3: Would be the legacy of FDR.

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Speaker 2: And I would argue, you Democrats think, if I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna say they think of him as a hero, somebody

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Speaker 2: else you have no I was gonna say.

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Speaker 1: The FDR angle that I think makes it challenging is

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Speaker 1: he got World War Two eventually, right, So when you

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Speaker 1: balance out the FDR presidency, now Harry Truman comes in

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Speaker 1: at the end and actually closes it out.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's tough.

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Speaker 2: We had What is it that he did in the

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Speaker 2: Second World War that another president in his shoes would

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Speaker 2: not have? We got caught and happened, right, We got

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Speaker 2: caught hit.

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Speaker 1: Some people would argue that there was even an intentional

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Speaker 1: desire to allow the Japanese attack in nineteen forty one.

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Speaker 1: There is a conspiracy theory out there that we intentionally

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Speaker 1: overlooked some of the warnings there.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of rewriting of FDRs, well, everything about FDR.

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Speaker 2: And you look at the legacy of fd on the

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Speaker 2: Second World War, we had, we had Nazi submarines off

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Speaker 2: the coast of New Jersey and Long Island. We had

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Speaker 2: Japanese submarines off the coast of California. We had the

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Speaker 2: Japanese seas I believe it was Atu Island in the

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Speaker 2: Illusion chain just to take US soil. We obviously had

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Speaker 2: the bombing of Pearl Harbor. If the Nazis, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a whole Sorry, we're about to start the

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Speaker 2: big World War two discussion now on the show, which

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Speaker 2: will go on for many hours. If the Nazis had

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Speaker 2: moved a little faster on some of their military projects

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Speaker 2: jet propulsion, missile technology. Obviously we look at the Manhattan Project.

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Speaker 2: Now everyone's talking about Oppenheimer because of the oscars and

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Speaker 2: all that. It could have gone very differently in some ways.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that FDR gets credit for we got attacked.

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Speaker 2: Now we have to actually fight back against the people

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Speaker 2: who attacked us. I mean, he had the full might

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Speaker 2: of the American industrial machine and the American people to

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Speaker 2: call upon. There was the whole interment of Japanese Americans,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, that's a kind of a black

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Speaker 2: guy on American yeah, peace, you know, putting people that

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Speaker 2: don't do anything wrong, in the camps. It's bad. And

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Speaker 2: and I think then you also look at the increase

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Speaker 2: of the size of the federal government, the state itself,

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Speaker 2: and also making the Great Depression go on longer.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we can't positives for you, Buck, Two

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Speaker 1: guys that are off mind.

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Speaker 3: I want to be positive here.

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Speaker 1: Eisenhower and Truman don't get necessarily a lot of attention.

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Speaker 3: Truman really in the.

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Speaker 1: Rebuilding of Europe and the Marshall Plan and everything associated

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Speaker 1: with that, making what I think is one of the

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Speaker 1: toughest calls in the history of the United States that

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Speaker 1: we were going to drop the bomb in Japan. Eisenhower,

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Speaker 1: you go look historically, Buck, for a two term president,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody has ever been more popular as

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Speaker 1: president of the United States than Eisenhower was almost universally

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Speaker 1: buli and.

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Speaker 2: Actually moved the ball further when it was harder on

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Speaker 2: civil rights than later on. LBJ came in when it

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Speaker 2: was actually politically expedient for him to do what he did.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's a whole other.

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Speaker 1: I got the interstate system done. I mean, Eisenhower, what

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Speaker 1: he was able to accomplish in the wake of World

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Speaker 1: War Two was pretty frigging incredible.

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Speaker 3: The worst coming up from all of you. We'll take

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Speaker 1: Gerald Ford played football at the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to go fast.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer in Texas, who you got?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so worst to the worst one, Woodrow Wilson because

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Speaker 4: going to be I'm sorry Biden and Obama, which are

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 1: They hate Andrew Jackson, by the way, distant relative of

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Speaker 1: mind Buck, Hermitage and Old Hickory, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: They hate him because of the trail of tears.

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Speaker 1: So they've taken they used to have the Jefferson Jackson

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Speaker 1: Day dinners. They've now taken Andrew Jackson's name off of

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Speaker 1: many of those Jefferson Jackson Day dinners. And I bet

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Speaker 1: they'll take Jefferson off at some point because he was

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Speaker 1: a slaveholder. That's where they are trying to erase history.

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Speaker 1: Carmen in La.

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Speaker 3: What you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: My three worse James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Look either side of Lincoln, definite mess. I

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Speaker 3: had a history here.

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Speaker 2: You can say this is this is something I've been

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Speaker 2: thinking about because if you think of the worst presidents,

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Speaker 2: there is this, there's a string, there's kind of a

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Speaker 2: run up. What you got, you got, fillmore and then

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Speaker 2: Pierce and and then you get to Buchanan. Right, I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this for memory. I think that's right. You know,

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Speaker 2: they weren't a tough spot. Those that they weren't very effective,

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Speaker 2: but you know they're trying to get the uh you

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Speaker 2: know what the Kansas Nebraska Act. Things settled, they got

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Speaker 2: Missouri Compromise, and then you get you know what happens

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Speaker 2: with the territories, the Mexican American War. You look at

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, it wasn't an you know, I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying it wasn't an easy place to be in for

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Speaker 2: those presidents in the run up, such that they were ineffectual,

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Speaker 2: and we really don't even we think of things that

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Speaker 2: happened during those presidencies, we think of those presidents at

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Speaker 2: all in well American history classes, it barely comes up.

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Speaker 2: Like you ask people about Fillmore, he asked people about Peers.

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Speaker 2: He went to Boden. That's all you need to know

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Speaker 2: about him. It was Boden people out there, not an

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Speaker 2: amateurs guy.

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Speaker 1: I had a history teacher who made an interesting argument,

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Speaker 1: and his argument was, if Abraham Lincoln doesn't get assassinated,

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Speaker 1: he ends up getting impeached because he would not have

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Speaker 1: been nasty enough to the Southern States for the radical

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Speaker 1: Republicans after the war ended. Remember Andrew Johnson obviously got impeached.

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Speaker 1: He was a Tennessee and who took over for Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people forget Lincoln changed his vice presidential pick.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I think.

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Speaker 1: History is fun not only for what happened, but by

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Speaker 1: thinking about what might have happened. With just a subtle twist.

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Speaker 1: Brian and Tampa quickly what you got, Yes, did you

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Speaker 1: hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got you.

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Speaker 5: And then the worst three to me is Woodrow Wilson,

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Speaker 5: the Federal Reserve Act LBJ, and of course Obama. The

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Speaker 5: worst of all time is Obama.

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Speaker 2: I mean Obama's in my top five for bad presidents.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I think that did a lot of

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Speaker 2: damage to the country in a lot of ways. Maybe

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Speaker 2: top ten, but the others I always totally agree with Clay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm trying to be a history guy and take

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Speaker 1: my time and sit back and allow fifty years to pass.

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Speaker 1: But there are certainly there's an argument to be made

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Speaker 1: that we've had a lot of bad presidents in recent vintage.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think like we had one guy call

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Speaker 1: in and say all three of the worst presidents we've

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Speaker 1: ever had the last forty years. I don't necessarily buy

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Speaker 1: that we've had some bad ones, though happy presidents say

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Speaker 1: everybody