WEBVTT - Inside the Portland Teachers Strike

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media. Welcome to Dick. It appened here a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast being recorded in the like last hours of Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>in in the the I guess the closing minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher is in Portland not being on strike. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a podcast that is often about strikes,

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<v Speaker 1>and here to talk with me about this is Britney Doris,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a fifth grade teacher in Portland public schools, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the union captain for her school and the strike captain

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<v Speaker 1>also for her school. Brittany, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad to talk to you. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we are we are in we are in zero hour. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the zero hour of the strike. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time this comes out, like I guess, you'll have been

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<v Speaker 1>on strike for like two days. Yeah, I'm assuming this

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<v Speaker 1>comes out Friday. Yeah, So all right. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>place we should start probably for people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>in poor people who haven't been following this. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we should start with what are the sort of conditions

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<v Speaker 1>that have led to this. I have heard some absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>wild things about what's happening for the schools right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did we get here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've been negotiating or bargaining this contract for over

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<v Speaker 2>a year and pushing for circumstances that are just better

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<v Speaker 2>suited for our students. Some of our classrooms that we're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with situations like rodents and mold and still some

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<v Speaker 2>buildings dealing with lead in their water. Extreme temperatures like

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<v Speaker 2>class sizes are huge, but different depending on where you're

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<v Speaker 2>at in the city. Like, we've just been overcompensating with

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<v Speaker 2>less since the pandemic times, and we're fed up, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not able to do it anymore. And yeah, we're strike ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean this is something, this is, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is I think a pretty interesting set of

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances because my understanding and okay, so don't quote me

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<v Speaker 1>on this. I'm pretty sure that the last time that

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<v Speaker 1>the Portland teachers went on strike was in the like

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<v Speaker 1>actually ended up striking and not just doing this strike

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<v Speaker 1>authorization vote was the was was during the eighties, So

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<v Speaker 1>it has been it has been a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literal lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like I was not I was like two

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<v Speaker 1>of my lifetimes effectively, Like I was on a line

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<v Speaker 1>for this.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think we're seeing that shift happened nationwide.

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<v Speaker 2>That education has been continuously public education has been continuously

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<v Speaker 2>chipped away at and eroded over the last few decades,

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<v Speaker 2>and more and more responsibility has put on the been

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<v Speaker 2>put on the backs of teachers, and we are not

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<v Speaker 2>able to function under this workload, under these conditions, and

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<v Speaker 2>without increased support for the educators as well. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is the culmination of kind of years and

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<v Speaker 2>years of disinvestment in public education nationwide. And so you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot more strikes, educational strikes coming up throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the country, and particularly for Portland's history. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's if Portland public schools have striked in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been literal decades, not in my lifetime, not in

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<v Speaker 2>your lifetime, and just the continued frustration of decades of struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean, as from what I've heard from

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<v Speaker 1>from people in the city. So the line that I

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<v Speaker 1>got was that janitors were being told that the standard

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<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to clean schools too was quote moderately dingy.

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<v Speaker 1>So things seem not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's rough. There's rodents everywhere. Our custodial workers are

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<v Speaker 2>already worked to the limit and understaffed, and so our

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<v Speaker 2>buildings show. I mean, the school that I work in

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<v Speaker 2>is over one hundred and ten years old, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell it's not being up kept and students are suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>The conditions are, like you said, dingy, a moderate level

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<v Speaker 2>of approved dinginess supposedly, and that's gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean so I've heard that complains a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like, when I was in school, we

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<v Speaker 1>only had one we had well, I mean, there might

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<v Speaker 1>have been more. There probably were more rats we didn't see.

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<v Speaker 1>We had one drowned rat fall out of a ceiling,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was it. It was. It was. We were

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<v Speaker 1>limited to one rat for four years. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's the maximum number of rats that

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<v Speaker 1>you should encounter is maybe one because it's kind of funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are class pets, like these aren't no the

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<v Speaker 2>mice and rats that you're using in a science class

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<v Speaker 2>or keeping as the class pet in the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Like ooh yeah, and the other I guess I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing that I wanted to talk about is

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<v Speaker 1>class sizes, because I know, I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very people have been like talking about this for ages,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's something that's really I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird negotiating wise because and this is something I see

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. The school dishesh will be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>like the admin will be oh, well, yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 1>you want like smaller class sizes, and then they just

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<v Speaker 1>won't do it. So, yeah, could you talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's something that's really burning my biscuit. Our district

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<v Speaker 2>management continues to tell our community and the press that

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<v Speaker 2>our average class size is twenty three students at the

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<v Speaker 2>elementary level. And the problem with that statistic is that

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<v Speaker 2>they are doing a ratio based on the adults in

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<v Speaker 2>the building. So, for example, we have a learning coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. We have a learning coach who works with

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<v Speaker 2>children in small groups throughout the building, but she herself

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<v Speaker 2>is not a rostered classroom teach, but she is put

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<v Speaker 2>into that equation so that it looks like our classes

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<v Speaker 2>on average are twenty three when the reality is very different.

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<v Speaker 2>The music teacher doesn't count, the learning coach doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the math that the district is like that

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<v Speaker 2>math ain't math in my class is thirty four kids.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling the public that the average is twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just not true. Because you're including adults in

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<v Speaker 2>the building who aren't the host classroom teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is that's just that's just absurd, Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to know that you're lying in order to

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<v Speaker 1>create that statistic, Like that's a h And I you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it is true that there are some classes around

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<v Speaker 2>the district that are small. I had a miracle of

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<v Speaker 2>a class last year that was twenty two kids. That

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<v Speaker 2>coport was just small that you know, they weren't having

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<v Speaker 2>as many babies eleven years ago. I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 2>this year, this year, I have thirty four and the

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<v Speaker 2>year prior so not last year, but the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two years I had thirty two and thirty four kids

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<v Speaker 2>is unsustainable, especially because I have the twenty two to

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<v Speaker 2>compare it to. I am very aware of how little

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<v Speaker 2>capacity I have for meeting their needs, for teaching, the

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<v Speaker 2>wide range of levels that are in the class, even

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<v Speaker 2>for checking in with kids. I can look out at

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<v Speaker 2>my room at midday and think looking at a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've talked to you, like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>possible to go so under the radar when there are

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<v Speaker 2>that many children to care for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean that's a difference of like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a forty percent class size increase, right, Yeah, good year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can feel and it's having a significant impact

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<v Speaker 2>on just my own well being and mental health this

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<v Speaker 2>year because I know what it looks like to teach

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<v Speaker 2>well and I know that I cannot currently do it

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<v Speaker 2>with this many and it's hard. Last year, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>feeling any symptoms of burnout at all. It's feeling really good,

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<v Speaker 2>loving my job still. And this year, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I cannot keep up with this many kids,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with you know, we've gotten even so as class

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<v Speaker 2>sizes have increased, so have the needs of our students. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>We're dealing with a lot more mental health issues. We're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with a wide range of neurodiversity that comes with

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<v Speaker 2>different needs. And so it's that's the thirty four now

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<v Speaker 2>is exponentially different than thirty four when we were young.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's intense and it's unsustainable and I'm living it

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like, you know, I think on an abstract level,

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<v Speaker 1>like the district knows like that this sucks, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>they just they don't fucking do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just right, real, Yeah, and even to the level

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<v Speaker 2>that we're able to bargain it. There are things such

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<v Speaker 2>as like permissive topics that we can or cannot bargain

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<v Speaker 2>and things that we can bargain. And even in the

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<v Speaker 2>strike that we are about to have, they continue to

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<v Speaker 2>push back on the class cap request, saying that it

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<v Speaker 2>is a permissift topic and that it's class caps may

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<v Speaker 2>only be applicable to what are called Title I schools,

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<v Speaker 2>so schools where the population is more impacted by poverty,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're trying, like even trying to get small

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<v Speaker 2>class sizes or smaller class sizes, knowing that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>district wide issue, may still only be successful for some

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<v Speaker 2>parts of our district. Yeah, and that's that, ain't right, Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, my classroom is incredibly diverse. We are not

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<v Speaker 2>a Title one school. We are known for supposedly being

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<v Speaker 2>in one of the more affluent areas, but even our

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood school that those demographics have continued to change, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have many students that are experiencing poverty and experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>some of the cultural pieces that go with that, the

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<v Speaker 2>systemic impacts of that. Our students are living through trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Our students are experiencing it for Our students are experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>racism and sexism and homophobia, and they are jam packed

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<v Speaker 2>sardines in a overheated room with no supports. I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>only adult in the room to support them. I have

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<v Speaker 2>students with disabilities who aren't getting support from our SPED

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<v Speaker 2>team because our SPED team is SPED stance for special education.

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<v Speaker 2>Our special educators are working with some younger grade students

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<v Speaker 2>with even bigger needs. So my fifth graders with disabilities

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<v Speaker 2>are getting completely left in the lurch. And it is

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<v Speaker 2>my single body with all thirty four and we're floundering.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean that's another sort of aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>this that I think is really like, is really grim,

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<v Speaker 1>that all of these issues. It's like, the kids you

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<v Speaker 1>need the most help from the beginning are the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are getting the most hurt by it, and right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and those are the people who the education

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<v Speaker 1>system is supposed to be taken care of and just

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<v Speaker 1>cannot because yeah, you know, chronic understaffing, class sizes that

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<v Speaker 1>are too large.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's especially painful. I've been teaching now for

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<v Speaker 2>ten years and I am looking at this class right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a student in my class who is a

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<v Speaker 2>little black boy with a disability, and I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>him knowing that I am not able to give him

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<v Speaker 2>what he needs. And he is like the statistic that

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<v Speaker 2>school districts want to put on their website, like we

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<v Speaker 2>got you know, our our marginalized populations, We've helped them,

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<v Speaker 2>we fit and like, here is a student that is

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<v Speaker 2>the statistic that you supposedly are fighting for, and he

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely left out to dry and I am trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do what I can for him, and he comes

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<v Speaker 2>to mind. I picture him as I'll be out there

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<v Speaker 2>on that picket line, like I am out there for

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<v Speaker 2>that kid as well as his thirty three other classmates.

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<v Speaker 2>But just like quint essential picture of who I'm fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for and who is getting left behind?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which which which I don't know? Like there there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's I think there's something really grim in the way

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this is a you know, this this

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to what you were talking about with the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they're just straight up lying about the average

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<v Speaker 1>the average class size, where it's it really seems like

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<v Speaker 1>these things have you know, the the actual process of

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<v Speaker 1>education is being degraded into just this this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>metric chasing game. And you know, as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>have metrics that look good, you know, like the district

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<v Speaker 1>is like, wow, okay, it's fine that, like, our students

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<v Speaker 1>aren't equality of education they need. It's fine that they're

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<v Speaker 1>in these buildings that are literally falling apart. It's fine that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kids aren't getting what they need. Like, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the metrics look good and right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something something that gets me when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>those metrics. Knowing our superintendent gets a bonus if academically

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<v Speaker 2>marginalized populations like our black and brown students, if they

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<v Speaker 2>increase their performance on standardized tests, he gets a bonus. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what I have a problem with is that those standardized

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<v Speaker 2>tests that we take every spring, there are some students

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<v Speaker 2>that are so impacted by the school system that they

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<v Speaker 2>may have attendance issues, they may not be there consistently

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring to take those tests. So something I'm

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<v Speaker 2>picturing a couple of my students who were impacted by poverty,

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<v Speaker 2>were kids of color and were significantly absent due to

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<v Speaker 2>what the circumstances of their life. Those students were not

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<v Speaker 2>able to take that test in the spring. That means

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<v Speaker 2>those students, those black and brown students, that data wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>in those metrics. So even the metrics that are being

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<v Speaker 2>used to measure whether or not we are successfully supporting

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<v Speaker 2>our students of color are inaccurate because our most impacted

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<v Speaker 2>students aren't able to take that assessment. Like his data,

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<v Speaker 2>our superintendent's data is going to look better when some

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<v Speaker 2>of the students who might tank that data because they

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<v Speaker 2>are unsupported by the school system aren't there to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the data because they're unsupported by the school system.

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<v Speaker 2>It falls apart.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of these things where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to change this is do is do

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<v Speaker 1>union actions because like the school district's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, like their metrics look fine, right and right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the government is not going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not going to they don't want to spend

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<v Speaker 1>more money. So this is this is the only way

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<v Speaker 1>to actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think we finally, I think have made

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<v Speaker 2>a point. We are I mean, our union actions already

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<v Speaker 2>have been building up a visible presence. We have massive

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<v Speaker 2>community support from our not only our parent communities, but

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<v Speaker 2>the greater Portland area. Business is coming out and support

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<v Speaker 2>people joining us at like we had a massive march

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<v Speaker 2>this Saturday where we took over the Burnside Bridge. And

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<v Speaker 2>as our union actions build, we know that we are

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<v Speaker 2>out there, we are not alone, and that we are

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<v Speaker 2>feeling the support from the community and we are becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a more visible presence, and especially in Portland, we are

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<v Speaker 2>a massive union. Other unions around the state are looking

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<v Speaker 2>at us and watching how this goes. And we can

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<v Speaker 2>tell that the district management is scared. They are starting

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<v Speaker 2>to send out emails to families that are meant to

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<v Speaker 2>intimidate and panic and cause chaos. And we're seeing these

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<v Speaker 2>defensive moves that are a reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who else is a hack and a fraud?

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<v Speaker 1>Who did who didn't figure out a way to do

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<v Speaker 1>an ad pivot here? It's the it's the products and

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<v Speaker 1>services that support this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of businesses that support.

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<v Speaker 1>Us and we're back. Yeah. So you know, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>that that those are Those are two other dynamics that

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<v Speaker 1>I I sort of I wanted to get into. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess first I want to talk about what the what

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<v Speaker 1>the community support has looked like, what fourthmore the unionses

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<v Speaker 1>look like and you know, how how you've been engaging

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<v Speaker 1>with parents, because I mean that that's it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing. So I'm from Chicago and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>like a I mean not that long, like for the

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<v Speaker 1>last about decade, the Chicago Teachers Union's been on strike

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times, and it's yeah, like it really

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<v Speaker 1>and the support of that and the engagement of that

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<v Speaker 1>really is one of the few things us in making

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago a better place. So I wanted to ask what

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<v Speaker 1>that's looked like in Portland because this is basically the

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<v Speaker 1>first time for y'all right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know historically in Oregon we felt the support

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<v Speaker 2>from our community, such as the Red for Ed movement

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<v Speaker 2>a few years ago when we were really pushing for

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<v Speaker 2>statewide reform and change in education policy. And here in

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<v Speaker 2>Portland ever since, the seeds of our uprising were being

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<v Speaker 2>planted knowing that we are on a collision course towards

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<v Speaker 2>a strike based on how poorly the district management is

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<v Speaker 2>bargaining with us, and so we started to build in

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<v Speaker 2>that communication and enlist the support of our parent communities

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<v Speaker 2>pretty early on by having info sessions, by talking about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the community's wants and desires for their students,

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<v Speaker 2>connecting with our schools, ptas, connecting with local businesses, especially

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<v Speaker 2>as in the last month or so that we felt okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening. We are about to strike. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with our communities in our school areas and

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<v Speaker 2>see who's out there and if they have our back.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been really profound in grassroots organizing between the

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<v Speaker 2>parents and the ptas in tandem with our unions and

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<v Speaker 2>from businesses around our school areas. We attended an event

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<v Speaker 2>called Strike School to prepare and one of our missions

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<v Speaker 2>was to check in with businesses and neighbors in the

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<v Speaker 2>areas of our schools where we plan to be picketing

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing, you know, where can we go to use

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<v Speaker 2>a bathroom, where can we go to use a parking lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and just making those connections, some of which already existed.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though Portland hasn't had to strike, We've been very

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<v Speaker 2>connected to our communities because the educators live in these communities.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my community. Unlike some of the big wigs

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<v Speaker 2>in the big pink building of management, like they are

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<v Speaker 2>coming in and out in a few years. We're from here,

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<v Speaker 2>we are here to stay, we are here to make

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<v Speaker 2>those connections. So it was very easy to call upon

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<v Speaker 2>those connections because we are the community. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of union members that are parents. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of union members that are married to

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<v Speaker 2>business owners in the area. We've Yeah, it's been it's

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<v Speaker 2>been obvious who lives here, who's fighting for these kids

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<v Speaker 2>because this is our community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, I mean, Portland's been a place where,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, kind of beneath the notice of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the national press, it's been one of the places

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<v Speaker 1>where the most union organizing is happening and where the

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<v Speaker 1>most strikes have been happening. And yeah, I was wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, to what extent have y'all been influenced by

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<v Speaker 1>I mean both the sort of the just profusion of

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<v Speaker 1>like local strikes and then also the kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger national strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Something really beautiful about living in Portland is that there

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<v Speaker 2>is quite a bit of cross union solidarity. And like

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<v Speaker 2>in the educational realm, we have a coalition of all

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<v Speaker 2>of our unions that come together the certified teachers like

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<v Speaker 2>my union PAT as well as SEIU, the union that

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<v Speaker 2>represents our custodial staff, as well as PFSP our para educators,

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<v Speaker 2>our nutritional staff, the bus drivers union, like, all of

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<v Speaker 2>those unions come together and support each other. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>in the educational realm of Portland, multiple unions are on

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<v Speaker 2>the verge of striking in that they are having unsuccessful

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<v Speaker 2>bargaining attempts. But then also with like the ups workers,

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<v Speaker 2>with Kaiser pharmacies and the medical field, like, there is

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<v Speaker 2>labor action all around Portland and there's definitely a built

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<v Speaker 2>in solidarity network from unionity to union. Our union siblings

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<v Speaker 2>are with us. We have been with them throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we do a really good job as a

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<v Speaker 2>major city of wrapping around each other's unions and supporting

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<v Speaker 2>big actions. And you know, Portland, when we do get

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<v Speaker 2>national press, it is for how rambunctious our little city

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<v Speaker 2>can be. And this is some of that good trouble

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<v Speaker 2>that that John Lewis would want us to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean this is something that you can

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so I was in Portland for like three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks pretty like recently, and I mean you would just

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<v Speaker 1>run like I was. I was at a hospital for long,

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<v Speaker 1>long story about that, but I was at a hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and like the first person we talked to is like

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<v Speaker 1>as a receptionist was like the union rep from the

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<v Speaker 1>receptionist union, and then like we're talking to the nurses,

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<v Speaker 1>and the nurses are like, oh, yeah, we just won

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<v Speaker 1>our We just won our thing, not having to go

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<v Speaker 1>on strike because management caved. It's it's a really sort

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<v Speaker 1>of incredible place to be in terms of like just

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<v Speaker 1>just the energy and just like the amount of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening there. It's really sort of incredible, very active.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the other side of this is that this

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<v Speaker 1>we've also seen a lot of sort of management retaliation

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<v Speaker 1>and crackdown attempts. And yeah, I was wondering if you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what management's been doing, because yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really ramped up in the last week or

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<v Speaker 2>so as it is clear that we are on our

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<v Speaker 2>way to strike, especially when we ninety nine percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the membership voted yes to a strike authorization. That sent

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty clear message and I think it made district

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<v Speaker 2>management panic a little. And we've received numerous emails to

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<v Speaker 2>the parent community. They have for example, they are training

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow Thursday, the day of our strike beginning, or when

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, the day that the strike begins, they are

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<v Speaker 2>training our para professionals and eas in how to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>virtual phonics instruction. One of their moves was to cause

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<v Speaker 2>panic in the families by sending emails home that say,

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<v Speaker 2>your student, based on their test scores, is a struggling reader.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the plan should there be a school closure, that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to provide virtual learning opportunities. So immediately you've

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<v Speaker 2>got parents in a panic emailing their teacher like by

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<v Speaker 2>students struggling, why didn't I know? And in many cases

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>that was inaccurate. A second grade teacher at my school,

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<v Speaker 2>every parent in her class got that email, and sure

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<v Speaker 2>she has some struggling readers, but it is not every student.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did every student's family get that email? To cause panic,

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<v Speaker 2>to cause fear, to cause intimidation, And so they also

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<v Speaker 2>send out a big email trying that the technology team

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<v Speaker 2>was coming into the buildings to collect all the chromebooks.

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<v Speaker 2>Our students are one to one with chromebooks. They're pretty

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<v Speaker 2>integral to our curriculum delivery and our instruction. And they

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<v Speaker 2>started pulling them out in the middle of the workday,

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the teaching day from some of

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<v Speaker 2>our youngest students, which was a visible thing in front

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<v Speaker 2>of students me to collect them. It was unplanned, We

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<v Speaker 2>had no warning. That again seemed to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a panic move. We are trying to sew fear and

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<v Speaker 2>intimidation and we're taking your chromebooks and we're putting kids

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<v Speaker 2>back in COVID times.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just a terrible also, just like a terrible thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do to a bunch of kids, right, like what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just coming to their room, just taking their stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in front of everyone, like what right.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially in those younger grades, with no warning and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we were supposed to have our tech time on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>like we had our routine and well, oh this this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's coming in and taking all the chromebooks. Sorry kids, Yeah,

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 2>not really having a ready answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it's one of those things where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you can you can really tell, like who actually

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<v Speaker 1>cares about the kids here, because it's just like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, management is trying to put out the

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<v Speaker 2>message that teachers don't care about your kids. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>they're willing to stop school and put your kids back

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>at home again. It's bad, like the pandemic time, those

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 2>those nasty teachers want your kids out of school. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, our point being that our students haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>getting the learning that they deserve because of the current conditions. Yeah,

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 2>that we've been under serving them already. We are walking

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<v Speaker 2>out not because we don't care, but because we care

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>so passionately that we aren't willing to stand for these

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<v Speaker 2>subpar conditions any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing, I don't like, I've seen

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of teacher strikes in my city. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of teacher strikes Nashurally, I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen and you know, and this isn't to say

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<v Speaker 1>that I like, I don't think it would be justified

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>for teachers to go on strike, like just because they're underpaid.

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone like has the right and possibly the obligation

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to go on strike for better conditions. But like that's

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<v Speaker 1>not ever ever, I have never, at any point ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen a teachers you to go on strike for reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that words mostly about like mostly about improving things for

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<v Speaker 1>their kids. It's it's wow, because you see this every

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<v Speaker 1>like they do this in Chicago too. It's like every

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 1>single time there's a strike, it's like, ah, the teachers

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<v Speaker 1>like they hate they hate your kids. Is that they're

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>like these like privilege overpaid people real like and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you guys, like you should you should like look

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<v Speaker 1>at the admin salary sometime, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's clear that there's a disconnect.

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as there's a change in the weather,

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>teachers go from being the hero to being the villain.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that we are willing to go out

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<v Speaker 2>on the streets and fight for our kids in the

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>rain and the cold of Oregon winter, no, we're the villains.

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>We are putting them all back in their COVID boxes

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, that ain't it.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that really sucks, Like no, it's it's.

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Just, thankfully, the negative kind of vitriol that we see

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 2>mostly online where the trolls live, it does seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be like loud minority. As with any form of tolling

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>or counter you know, we do hear from community members

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.879
<v Speaker 2>that have more legitimate concerns, but they are I'm really supportive.

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little worried about this one aspect, but I'm

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 2>with you guys, you know, and that's valid. I told

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>my students as we were getting ready to go home

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 2>for the long weekend quote unquote, you know that it

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>is okay to feel a variety of emotions like I'm sad,

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna miss you guys. I don't know when I'll

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>get to see you again, and that makes me anxious

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and I'm excited to go fight for you guys to

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>get us what we deserve. Like, so even letting the

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 2>children know this is totally normal, and that's my same

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>message to the adults, like it's totally okay if you've

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>got some mixed emotions. Yeah, and we're going to be

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 2>out there fighting for the kids. I hope you're not

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 2>mad at me for very long, but I'm gonna do

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 2>it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And that's another thing that's kind of like weird

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>about this is like the way the negotiations have gone.

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like this is happening, like because a lot of

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 1>strikes happen at the beginning of the school year, right,

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and so it pushes back the but this is but

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>this is like okay, So like you've gotten in, you've

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>met the kids, you're like teaching them to developing your relationship,

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and then management is just like, no, this is the

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>moment we're going to force everyone.

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that just sucks, Like yeah, and I don't think

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>there's ever a great time to strike, but we definitely

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>hope to be the least impactful. You know. We want

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that our families have what they need.

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>We want to make sure that our staff have what

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 2>they need. We didn't want to go too long. We

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be striking in the middle of winter

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>or during a break when students are already out. Yeah,

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>it's there's never a great time. And I feel I

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>feel really confident that our bargaining unit has really worked

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to make this the least detrimental to our students as possible, Yeah,

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 2>while still maintaining the validity of a strike, of a

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 2>big collective action.

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think this is this is something that

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>care workers struggle with a lot, Right. It's like one

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that it's it's hard for teachers to strike,

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>that it's hard for healthcare workers to strike is because like, yeah,

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>like you don't do this job unless you care about

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 1>the people that you're like it's your job to care for,

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't, you wouldn't know, Like no one will

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>put up with these conditions if they didn't care, right,

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, and that's I think there's this really

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>grim way in which just becomes this sort of trap

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 1>of like this is it becomes this and you see this,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>like this is the thing I've been I've been talking

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to like people who like abortion workers, and they talk

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:33.719
<v Speaker 1>about this too, where it's like there's this this kind

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.199
<v Speaker 1>of trap you get in because it's like you know

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>that you are the only person providing the service that

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>these people really need, and your bosses use that to

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>underpay you use it to you know, have unacceptable conditions,

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and it sucks that. It's like, you know, the the

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>foundational elements of an actual any kind of society that's

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>actually good, like the fact that people care and love

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>like love each other and care for each other is

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>being used as a weapon really shitty conditions.

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>It's weaponizing our passion and our care for our kids.

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's also something that tells you that it's serious.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>If if teachers who know that our students rely on us,

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>we love our students so deeply, if we are at

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the point where we're finally striking it's been bad for

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a while. Yeah, yeah, and you were kind of mentioning

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>this earlier, but teachers are so many things to our students,

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>like I am their teacher. In some cases am a

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>care provider. In some cases, I'm a therapist. In some cases,

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm their nutrition expert. Like they are coming to us

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>for everything in some cases, and so to be willing

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>to say I have to leave now to get us

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>what we deserve, I'm going to make sure you're okay.

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>It's so hard, it's so hard to say goodbye to

0:29:55.880 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>these kids, and it's so necessary. Yeah, and that's that

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>tells you that we that it is also that important

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that we have gotten to this point where we need to. Yeah,

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>and the students do seem pretty I mean I have

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of being at fifth grade, but the students

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>do seem to understand pretty well. Some of them are

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>incredibly activated little unionists, little union fighters as well. We

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>had some of the fifth graders sent letters to the

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Oregonian and to the to the school board and to

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the superintendent. And they're very eloquent. They I mean, they've

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>been living the conditions. They are the voice and it

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>is they are trying to shout loudly, and you know,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to amplify that. Like I am striking for them.

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I will benefit, but this is for them to have

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a better outcome.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>You know what, other services are provided by a bunch

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of workers who are not getting paid enough and are

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>probably understaffed legally. I don't know if I'm allowed to

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.719
<v Speaker 1>say that, but they haven't done the crackdown on us yet,

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>so I can say whatever I want. Damn it. It's

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>products and services that support this podcast and we are back.

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>So there wasn't.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a thing I've been noticing. So I've been interviewing

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I've been interviewing a lot of service

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>workers in the last god, like I guess like two

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>years now. Jeez, I've been doing this for a long

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>time now. But one of the things that I've been

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>noticing is a lot of people. And this comes back

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to something that you were talking about, which is that

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of service workers, I mean

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>people who are just beached as people who are you know,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>people who are just doing effectively random service jobs are

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>being pushed more and more into having to care for

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>people because the rest of the sort of whatever social

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>safety nets the US used to have have just completely imploded.

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think I want to get your opinion in

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.719
<v Speaker 1>this way, it looks to me like ground zero for

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>this was the education system of right, all of the

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>responsibility of you know this, these massive increases in poverty

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and its extagnating wages and police violence and like our

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>completely dysfunctional mental healthcare system that all of this. The

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>first people this was pushed on was y'all.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, we're that first line of defense for the

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 2>public good. And when you are gutting education, you are

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.239
<v Speaker 2>gutting the first safety net of the public good. And

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, the students will tell you that they are

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>our future and we are the net that's supposed to

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>catch them. And we've been underfunded and undersupported and under

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>resourced and in many ways like privatized, where some of

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>what will be the future populace are getting what they

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>need and everyone else is left behind. And you can

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 2>see it in retrospect. You can see how public education

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>has been deteriorating or forcibly deteriorated by some of those

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>interests that are trying to privatize or have privatization yep

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>in their mission. And the ultimate outcome of that is

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>a deteriorated United States. Like the populace is suffering because

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 2>of it, Like I wonder why democracy is starting to

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>fall apart when yeah, follow the dominoes backwards. Public education

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>has been underfunded and undersourced for decades now, so our

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>generation of workers are trying to repair the damage we

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>witnessed and experienced and stop it from getting worse as

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it gets worse around us.

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And this is one of those things where this

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like there's been this kind of unholy

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>alliance between like that I guess I call it like

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the sort of the charter school private school alliance between

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the sort of like Obama, Arnie Duncan, Oh my god,

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Paul vallis like technically liberal like neoliberal reformers, who were

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to destroy teachers' unions, trying to like

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to force everyone in the charter schools, trying to

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of like I just and just just just blasting

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>holes in the education system of every single city they

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>end up in. But it's just it's just interesting thing too,

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>where like you have these people on the one hand,

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>and they're the sort of like vaguely liberal wing of it,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and then simultaneously you have this sort of like absolutely ferocious,

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>like frothing right wing like evangelical shoe shape. Yeah, It's

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>like someone I saw a well, I get they were

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>going through their direction, but I saw I saw a

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>funny defiction of that. They called it like fish hook theory,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>where like you have this stuff in the middle, and

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>then the far right people sort of bend back around

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>into the middle because they found this one thing they

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>agree on, which is that they hate teachers, right.

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the public enemy.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and I think it's it's interesting too that

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like schools are specifically the place that when when the

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>rights tried wanted to do their push back against racial justice,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 1>it was like they went to schools. They've been doing

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>this with like LGBTQ stuff too, is you know, this

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>is like the rights whole game. I mean, since like

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>desegregation has been trying to push people into private schools

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and privatizing the education system, and I don't know, it

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>strikes me it's interesting that that, you know, there's been

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>for a really long time, and I think y'all, like

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>y'all the like Chicago teachers Unions has this has really

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>been sort of the forefront of the fight against that

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>of like it seems it seems like we're finally in

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a period with these people who have run this country

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>into the ground for the past like fifty years are

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>finally starting to sort of like face the consequences and

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 1>like have to deal with the people that they've been

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>just destroying for so long.

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are seeing it from the in side as

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it happens, Like I am experiencing as an elder millennial

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>growing up in the nineties in the public education system,

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>knowing now as an adult what I was not being

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>taught or what was being left out or censored just

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>due to systemic patterns that now we teach in a

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 2>different way to make sure that that doesn't continue. And

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>then we're seeing legislation in places like Florida and Tennessee.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like stop doing that, stop fixing the problem, and

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't put it back in the box. Like we

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>see from the inside as things are are falling apart

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and people are being left out, and so we're inside

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 2>public education screaming, knock it off. You did bad by us.

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>We won't let you do bad by the next generation

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>and the next generation.

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think like the other aspect of that,

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>like is is the way that like school boards are

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>being used to sort of like to take control of

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>districts and like push all of this sort of just horrific,

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>like queer politics stuff, and I don't know, like that

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that's a personal one for me because like my school,

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>like I mean, I guess we technically had stuff, but

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, like the resources available to all

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the queer kids that like that was like me and

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like everyone I grew up with were like just terrible.

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I got to see the consequences.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Of that, right bare minimum if any.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like you know, like in a in a

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>really really like frothing right wing like really justconservative environment,

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and like, I don't know, it's it really seems like

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it's for a lot of people, it's gotten way better

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>and all of these you know, like one of the

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>assaults that we're seeing is like who just want to

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 1>bring this stuff back right to.

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>The quote unquote good old days before all of us

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 2>queer folks were coming out, And yeah, like put everybody

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>back in the closet, hide all of the racism that

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 2>you've unraveled and exposed, put it all back in the

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>b put a bow back on the box. We want

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<v Speaker 2>America to look the way it used to. Yeah, And

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a lie, and that benefited very specific populations

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and we won't continue to play that game. And I

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>think that's another reason, like you said that you're seeing

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the gutting of public education, is that it's scary. Public

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>education is about truth and teaching critical thinking, and that

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is not good for people in power when their power

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:36.479
<v Speaker 2>has been achieved on the backs of marginalized groups and

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>by historically underserving people and pushing people into the dirt.

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it turns out that when your entire

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>state is based on doing a rolling genocide across the

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>entire continent, you probably don't want to tell people that

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that's like it's a bad idea.

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cats out of the bag America.

0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask to sort of what role has

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, just twenty twenty in general, and I mean

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic too, but like I don't know, like I

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 1>want to, I guess, like get a sense of what

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>impact like the uprising has had on all of this,

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>because it is, like I do think it is notable

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that you know, it's like three years after the uprising,

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>it's we have the first strike in.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so long. I think as a result of living

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>through pandemic times, people really had an opportunity to reflect

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>on what their lives were like, what they were living

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>through that was unjust. I think a lot of inequities

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:49.479
<v Speaker 2>were revealed through having to shift our entire worlds, and

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 2>things that had previously gone hidden or unnoticed or unexposed

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 2>came to light and people said no more. I we

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 2>have learned to do things a different way. We will

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>not go back to the broken ways. And so it

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.800
<v Speaker 2>makes sense to me that we are at this boiling

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 2>point in repairing and trying to rebuild and reform after

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 2>a global change. And you see it in the kids too.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean they say about my generation as a millennial,

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>that we've lived through numerous large scale traumas, and the

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>kids of today have now as well. Like the students

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm currently teaching were second graders when the pandemic hits,

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and they are forever changed. They were seeing, you know,

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the Black Lives Matter movement come alive on their television

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>screens and in their cities. They grew up in civic

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 2>action and global turmoil, and they are active. Even if

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't teaching current events in the way that I do,

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the students are bringing it to the room. Like the

0:40:57.480 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>conversations are happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, which is it's such an interesting like that generation.

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be really interesting because I don't

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>know I'm from this. I'm on exactly the borderline with

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>everyone trying to figure out whether I'm a millennial or

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>a zumer. But like my like my first memory is

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven. Yeah, so like you know, it's I

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 1>feel like I got a kind of millennial experience, which

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>is I got nine to eleven, two thousand and eight,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty six well two thousand and eight, then like the

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen uprisings I guess was a bit off, but

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I got like thirteen up risings, and then like I

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>get out of college or I get into college and

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty sixteen.

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 2>It's just like a mess. Yeah, it's hot mess.

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>It's this real Like I I I like, I became

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>conscious the moments that history returned to the world. Yeah,

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know, Like, I think it's an interesting

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>thing with like with these kids who've grown up, who

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>are you know? I mean like, yeah, like their first

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>memories are going to be like the pandemic and like

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty that I don't know, Like I I don't

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>know I'm interested in where these people are going to go.

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>But also I think this is you know, this all

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of this ties back into just the importance of what

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>you and all of your coworkers do, which is that

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you're the people who are you know, like it, you're

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the people who are producing, like the kids who are

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>going to who are I mean, hopefully they won't have

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>to be fighting the same fights that we are right now.

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Statistically they probably will, but yeah, like and you're the

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>people who are sort of mediating their understanding of like

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 1>what is happening in this world around them that's you know,

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>increasingly terrifying and complex.

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, trying not to give ten year olds an existential crisis,

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, coming into like they are at that developmental

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>age where they are starting to have that existential crisis

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 2>of Wow, our planet is out of luck, our educational

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>system is rotten, our democracy is falling apart, like they

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>are witnessing turmoil in every country like that it is.

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, they say that the youth's humor is very

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 2>nihilistic and dark, and it's just getting darker. Like thankfully,

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 2>they give me so much hope and light in you know,

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a world where sometimes I don't even know want to

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>be a part of the future, because the future looks grim.

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>They are a light even in all of that darkness.

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think they're really resilient. I wish

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have to be. I have my own big

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>existential dread. And the kids are angry. The kids are

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 2>are upset, But the kids are all right. Maybe, yeah,

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>if we can continue to support them.

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think this is something that goes for everyone's

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>like it. So insofar as we have obligations to anyone

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>on earth, like the thing, the thing that we owe

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.919
<v Speaker 1>these kids is to try to make sure they don't

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have to go through the same shit that we did,

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 1>because like that stiff sucked.

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of my teaching philosophies is the bee who

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 2>you needed when you were younger? And I didn't even

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 2>know some of the things I needed. But looking back,

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>like now, as a queer adult living in a major

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 2>city who grew up in a small town in Montana

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>in the binding is I'm very, yeah, very aware of

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 2>some of the things that I should have had as

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a young person, and that I am glad to be

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>there for my students in that way. Even the difference

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>working with some people who've been teaching for longer. You

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>see the difference in educational philosophy from run generation to

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>the next and the bee who you needed when you

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 2>were younger. I'm very open to being neuro affirming, supporting

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 2>our students that are on the spectrum or students with

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 2>ADHD are students with anxiety disorders in a way that

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>even the teachers of our generation when when I was

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>a child, yeah, aren't necessarily on the site like we're

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 2>getting better, we're making education less damaging to I think

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the reasons sometimes we lose public opinion

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>is people have negative memories of school. School has been harmful,

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, no, support us, Like I promise it's

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:18.439
<v Speaker 2>different now.

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but I mean, but I think this is

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>one of those things too, where like the Teachers Union

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 1>in general, if you're looking at what is this, what

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>is the single like group of people in the United

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>States who actually wants to make school suck less? Like

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the most it's probably like slightly above that is students.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, like students are organized enough to

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like right, and you know, and like I said, as much,

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 1>really any know that this isn't to write off, like

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the incredible amount of student activism that I mean, it

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>has been happening forever, but they don't have the kind

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.919
<v Speaker 1>of power that like teachers unions too, and teachers unions

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>are the social voice. Yeah. Well, and also the ability

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to like, like the ability to withdraw your labor and

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:06.839
<v Speaker 1>suddenly actually have a massive effect on the entire sort

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of like state economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, we are united for our students, like the

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 2>we are called a teachers' union, but we are united

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>for our students because they don't yet have the ability,

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 2>or the access or the social capital to be heard

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>in the way that they deserve.

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I think I think that's a

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty good note to end on, unless you

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>have anything else that you want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>First, I'm satisfied. I mean I'm not satisfied. I'm striking,

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 2>but like, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, how how can people well, A, how can people

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in Portland support the strike? And then b, how can

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 1>people who are not in Portland who want to support

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:46.879
<v Speaker 1>the strike help?

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Portlanders are able to help support the strike. We

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>have a strike fund set up for purchasing and some

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of the things that we've needed on our strike. Lines,

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 2>like megaphones, like ponchos. All of that strike fund is

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>being used to help strike captains such as myself around

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>the city organize our pickets and our actions, and so

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>donating to that strike fund is one way to make

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>sure that every teacher in Portland is getting some support.

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>And then if you live in Portland, finding out the

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>schools that are closest to you in your area, reaching

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>out to those schools specifically, probably through social media since

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 2>we will not be in our buildings, like using a

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 2>school email wouldn't work, But reaching out to the strike

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 2>in your area if you drive by and you see them,

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>like giving them a honk in a horay and finding

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 2>out where they need supplies to get directed to people

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 2>outside of Portland. Same thing that strike fund is very visible,

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 2>sharing on social media things on our behalf really making

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 2>sure that your own legislatures know how important public education

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 2>is to you. Hopefully things in your state or area

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>are going positively for educators, but chances are they're not

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>so I bet no matter where you live. As a listener,

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 2>you a public educators in your area could probably use

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:08.240
<v Speaker 2>your support talking to school boards, talking to legislators and

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 2>making change in education, making sure that kids are getting

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 2>what they need. That fight is guaranteed to be happening everywhere.

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we will we will have links to well,

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>definitely a strike fund probably also will have links to

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>social media stuff the description, so yeah, go go do that.

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>And also yeah, yeah do you want I'm assuming you

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>also people control the picket lines. M yeah.

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyone in Portland driving in any of our neighborhoods

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 2>will find a school, will find a picket and you

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 2>are welcome to join us. I know I'm in the

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Southwest region of Portland. Will be picketing in major areas

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 2>as well as right outside our schools. So pretty much

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>anywhere you see a sea of blue, give us a

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>honk and hop out and join us for a little while,

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you in some big visible spaces to

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 2>be determined as we do some lar interactions.

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is a This is the thing I

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>will say from from experience is that like the Okay,

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>so the more people there are, the better picketing is.

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And where there's a bunch of people on a picket,

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it rules. So go go to a picket. It's a

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>good time.

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 2>You're you're you're joining us.

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're fighting. You're fighting for a good cause, you

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.720
<v Speaker 1>are fighting for your class and yeah.

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, well, thank you so much for having me,

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and thank you to your listeners for giving us an ear.

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>And thank you, thank you for talking to me. It's

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>been it's been great. And yeah, go go go listeners,

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 1>all of you, go support the strike make sure they win.

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.839
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, go out, go out into your communities and

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:47.760
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