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Speaker 1: potentially win a championship In the modern era, Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: seems close, but the roster gap between them and the

431
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Speaker 1: Tier one programs is still evident. Daniel, I have had

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Speaker 1: a conversation recently in the past year or so with

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Speaker 1: Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech about this. I had a

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Speaker 1: conversation with Brian Kelly at Notre Dame about this. I

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Speaker 1: think both are on YouTube. Some of it was private,

436
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Speaker 1: but I think we recorded most of it, so anyway,

437
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Speaker 1: it's not privileged information, so I'll share it to you

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Speaker 1: the Cinement Collins and Brian Kelly, which are guys who

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Speaker 1: coach at two of the programs you just mentioned, they

440
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Speaker 1: both talked about taking what is perceived to be a

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Speaker 1: hurdle and turning it into a springboard. So you could

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Speaker 1: do this if you want to. You could walk around

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00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: all MOPy with your head down, kicking the can down

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00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 1: the road there in Atlanta or South Bend and saying, well,

445
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: pour us, woe is me. They don't have to worry

446
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 1: about this at Clemson or that at Oklahoma. Well they

447
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 1: have to worry about it here. You can either let

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Speaker 1: it be that. You can let it be a stop

449
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,159
Speaker 1: sign or a springboard. There is uniqueness, there is individuality

450
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: to that. It makes you stand out as a program.

451
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Speaker 1: Now to a lot of people, it is standing out

452
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Speaker 1: in a negative way. But what if you came to

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Speaker 1: the realization one day that not every kid out of

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Speaker 1: the thousands of athletes that are coming out of high

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Speaker 1: schools any given year, and the hundreds and hundreds and

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Speaker 1: hundreds that are high level D one capable athletes out

457
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Speaker 1: of all those what if everyone of them doesn't want

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Speaker 1: the same thing. What if everyone of them's GPA doesn't

459
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Speaker 1: look the exact same What if if you did a

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Speaker 1: VEN diagram of elite athleticism and elite academic prowess? What

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Speaker 1: if there was a little bit bigger overlap in those

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Speaker 1: ven diagrams than had previously been thought. See, there's this

463
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Speaker 1: stereotype out there that all the good athletes suck in

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Speaker 1: the classroom and or they don't want to take it

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Speaker 1: seriously at the next level, which has never been true,

466
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Speaker 1: and it's not true right now either. In fact, in

467
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases, kids have never been more enlightened

468
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Speaker 1: at an earlier age to be seeking that. They may

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Speaker 1: not be interested in studying broad based English concepts or

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Speaker 1: something like that. They may want a far more specified

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Speaker 1: major at the college level, which in my opinions, the

472
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: way education should work anyway. But they're out there and

473
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Speaker 1: you don't have to sign one hundred of them per class.

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Speaker 1: This is The important thing to note, Yeah, your roster

475
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Speaker 1: any given year has seventy to eighty five kids on

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Speaker 1: its scholarship. Any given cycle, you're signing twenty five of them.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about combing the entire country to find

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Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five guys who meet both qualifications. Guys

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Speaker 1: who are in the middle of the overlap portion of

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Speaker 1: that VENN diagram. They're out there. And so imagine, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, if you're Georgia Tech or your Notre

482
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Speaker 1: Dame and you're competing against Michigan and Michigan State and

483
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Speaker 1: Penn State for a kid, or if you're a Georgia Tech,

484
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Speaker 1: you're competing against NC State and Clemson in Miami, in

485
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Speaker 1: Florida State for a kid. Well, all of a sudden,

486
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Speaker 1: if you walk in there, if you're Jeff Collins, for example,

487
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Speaker 1: and you say, hey, you see all these towers around

488
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Speaker 1: downtown Atlanta. First off, we're gonna sell you Atlanta, so

489
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get to experience Atlanta. Secondly, we got an

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Speaker 1: average graduate earning million plus per year ten years or

491
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Speaker 1: whatever it is out of college. They got some crazy

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Speaker 1: stat at Georgia Tech where the average graduate is a

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Speaker 1: million dollar plus per year earner x amount of years

494
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Speaker 1: out of college, and it's not that long, by the way,

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Speaker 1: And so you can just take them in boardrooms in

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Speaker 1: downtown Atland and you can say, hey, you see the CEO,

497
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: you see that marketing executive, the c suite over here.

498
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Speaker 1: They're all tech grads, like they all came from here.

499
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Speaker 1: And by the way, hey some of them played athletics too,

500
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Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden you start to distinguish yourself.

501
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Speaker 1: Stanford was able to do this for a period of

502
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Speaker 1: time under David Shaw. Like Stanford understood this, Notre Dame

503
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Speaker 1: understands it. Notre Dame's recruiting very well right now. They're

504
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Speaker 1: not recruiting in the thirties and forties and try and

505
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Speaker 1: bubblegum and paper clip their way to playoff contention. Notre

506
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Speaker 1: Dame's a quarterback away from being a serious national title

507
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Speaker 1: contender instead of just merely a playoff contender. Now we

508
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Speaker 1: can say that about several programs, but the point is

509
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Speaker 1: we're saying it about Notre Dame too, which means the

510
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Speaker 1: limiting factor hasn't necessarily been the academics. They may miss

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Speaker 1: out on some kids. There may be a Texis can

512
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Speaker 1: go get that Notre Dame can't go get. There may

513
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Speaker 1: be a kid Georgia could get it that Georgia Tech

514
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Speaker 1: couldn't get. Listen, you can focus on which ones you

515
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Speaker 1: can't have all day, or you can realize we're focused

516
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Speaker 1: on the one over here when there's seventy four over

517
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Speaker 1: here that we could get and we don't need seventy

518
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Speaker 1: four of them. We need twenty two of them. That's

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Speaker 1: what we need. So let's go find them and then

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Speaker 1: trust that we have the right coaching staff and the

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Speaker 1: right developmental angles in place once we get them on

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Speaker 1: campus to where we can put a competitive product on

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Speaker 1: the field. So, Daniel, the answer lies in the attitude

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Speaker 1: within the organization. Yeah, it can hinder you if you

525
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Speaker 1: view it as a hindrance, But if you view higher

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Speaker 1: academic standards or religious overtones at these respective universities as

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Speaker 1: a hindrance, you knew they were there when you interviewed

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Speaker 1: for the job. It's not like they pop these on

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Speaker 1: you afterwards. It's not like you interview for the job

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Speaker 1: at Stanford or Georgia Tech and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden they say on the way out the door, oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you need a four point zero to

533
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Speaker 1: get in here. That's not the way that works, so

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Speaker 1: you know it. So it's foolish to even entertain taking

535
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Speaker 1: the job if you're not already on board with accepting

536
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: those challenges. The next one we have is about how

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Speaker 1: in the world we would ever consider moving the Georgia

538
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Speaker 1: Florida game out of Jacksonville. There were some strong reactions

539
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Speaker 1: to this this week. I want you to think about it,

540
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: because it seemed like no one was indifferent. Everyone was

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Speaker 1: hardcore keep it in Jacksonville or either hardcore move it

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Speaker 1: to a home and home. I want to know what

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Speaker 1: you have to say. We'll talk about it right after this.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to read a question from Josh, but

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Speaker 1: it could just as easily have been five hundred of you.

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Speaker 1: I put up a poll because I saw some people

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Speaker 1: debating it the other day on Twitter, and I said,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about the Georgia Florida Game. This

549
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Speaker 1: thing has traditionally been in Jacksonville for most of your lifetimes,

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Speaker 1: and so I asked, do you think it should stay

551
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville or do you think it should move to

552
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: home and home campus campus, just like a normal game

553
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: would Every other year you go Gainesville or Athens, and

554
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: the results were like fifty five forty five keep it

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00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. But man, first off, it's hard to get

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Speaker 1: that close at split on any subject. And secondly, boy,

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Speaker 1: it was contentious. So Josh said, how in the world

558
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Speaker 1: could people want to move the world's largest outdoor cocktail

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Speaker 1: party from Jacksonville? And that was the sentiment. People were

560
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: totally in disbelief that anyone would support making this home

561
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: at home. But then on the other side of the fence,

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00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: a Georgia fan, for example, couldn't believe that any of

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Speaker 1: their brethren wanted to keep it in Jacksonville. And so

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Speaker 1: there is a divide in both of the fan bases.

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Speaker 1: And it's not really specific to age or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: The normal dividers, the normal little invisible metrics and barriers,

567
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: they're not there. It's just all across the spectrum of

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Speaker 1: different individuals. Everyone has a different view on this thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's the complaint, and it's more so from Georgia than

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Speaker 1: it is from Florida. This game's in Jacksonville. Florida can

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Speaker 1: take a bus there. Georgia has to fly there. So

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00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: it's termed a neutral site game. But it's really not.

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Speaker 1: You lose a recruiting weekend. Okay, this is really the

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Speaker 1: crux of the argument. They don't so much care about

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Speaker 1: the on campus experience as much as they care about

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Speaker 1: the recruiting opportunity. Now, don't get me wrong. Some people

577
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: support making it a home at home so they can

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Speaker 1: see the Florida game played in Athens and they can

579
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Speaker 1: see the Georgia game played in Gainesville. Some people support that,

580
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: but most of them understand we're losing a very valuable

581
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Speaker 1: recruiting opportunity. When Alabama plays Auburn, it's either going to

582
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: be in Jordan hair or Bryan Denny. So every other

583
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Speaker 1: year Alabama LSU, like when Texas A and M in

584
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: Texas used to play. It's a home and home situation.

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00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: So the kids you're recruiting, either if they're juniors or seniors,

586
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Speaker 1: one of those two years, they're going to get to

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Speaker 1: experience that elite college football atmosphere in your home stadium,

588
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: in your building. They're going to get a perfect taste

589
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully get drunk on that atmosphere that you want

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00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: them to eventually be a part of. You don't get

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Speaker 1: that if you're Kirby smart and you're recruiting a kid

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00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: out of Kennessaw, Georgia, they never get to see the

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Speaker 1: Florida game in Athens. And by the way, you cannot

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Speaker 1: have a recruiting visit for a neutral site game. So

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00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: these schools cannot bring kids to Jacksonville to see this game.

596
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: From the sideline. The kids can buy tickets and go

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00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: to the game if they want to, but they don't

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Speaker 1: get the recruiting experience. Now here's part B of that complaint.

599
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: Florida is close enough to Jacksonville where really they could

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Speaker 1: get kids in there on a Friday night and still

601
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: have a recruiting weekend, and then you know, the coaches

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00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: go to the game on Saturday, and Georgia can't do that.

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00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean, George's got to be out of town. I

604
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: mean they got to be on a plane and they

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00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: got to get down to Jacksonville on Friday. Whereas Florida

606
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: can take the kids, they can take their players to

607
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: the game, but then have those coaches fan out, maybe

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00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: even go back to Gainesville for a recruiting night on

609
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: that Friday night before the game on Saturday, and then

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00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: afterwards they could get back to Gainesville and have more

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00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: recruiting interaction that Saturday night, So it's just a different dynamic.

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00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: So my take on this, and I've been to this

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00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: game in Jacksonville several times. I've covered the game several times.

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Speaker 1: It is an incredible atmosphere. It's a unique atmosphere. And

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Speaker 1: you guys know, if you listen to this podcast or

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00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: watch Late Kick Live regularly, I am not one to

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00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: ever chisel away at the foundation of the tradition of

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00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: college football. You don't, or let me scratch that. You

619
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: rarely hear me beating the drum of change every week

620
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: in college football. I'm very careful about these movements that

621
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: I choose to endorse because a lot of them really

622
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: don't matter all that much, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, a lot of them are just people who

624
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: were bored and they're looking for change merely for change's sake.

625
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: So this is one of them. I got to be really,

626
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: really honest with you, I am one of the very

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00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: very few who don't have a strong stance on this.

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00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: If you keep it in Jacksonville, I'm totally fine with it.

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Speaker 1: If you were to make it a home and home

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Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that. I would I would miss

631
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the game in Jacksonville, But right now I miss the fact.

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00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: Can you miss something you've never had? I regret the fact.

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00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Let's say to a certain degree that I've never been

634
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: able to see Georgia go into the swamp or Florida

635
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: come between the hedges, like I would love to see that.

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Speaker 1: Even if you went with the idea that some of

637
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: you thought was compromise and got your head bitten off,

638
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: which is have it in Jacksonville one year, then having

639
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: in Athens, then have it in Gainsville, then have it

640
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville again, and blah blah blah. Even if you

641
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: went with that, I'd be okay with that too. So

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00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: maybe Jacksonville Athens, Jacksonville Gainsville. Maybe that How about that?

643
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: So every other year Jacksonville still gets the game. My

644
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: point is it's okay to be indifferent on some of these,

645
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: even when it seems like everyone has drawn their sword

646
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: and they're firmly on one side or the other. I'll

647
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Speaker 1: be the guy in the middle, holding my hands out

648
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: both ways, saying whoa wo woa. Let's take it easy. Okay,

649
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: it's April. Let's all just get in our cars. We'll

650
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: go to dairy queen, We'll get ice cream cone and

651
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: we'll talk this thing out. Let's set Sean's question next.

652
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: He said, do you think there's anything to the idea

653
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Speaker 1: that letting college football players go to the draft a

654
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: year earlier could help parody in the sport? No, Sean, No,

655
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Speaker 1: I don't. I know it sounds kind of like I'm

656
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: being sarcastic towards you. I'm not. But the reason I

657
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: sound this way is because we get flooded with questions,

658
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: or at least it seems like we have over the

659
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: past few years. That coincides with the rise of the

660
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Alabama and Clemson dynasties kind of going on at the

661
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: same time, we get flooded with questions about parody. And

662
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that parody only entered a lot of people's

663
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: vernaculars or vocabularies in the past few years, because it

664
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Speaker 1: seems like one or two people in our industry started

665
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: saying it, and then a lot of people started parroting it. Again,

666
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Speaker 1: this is not directed at you, Shawn, general statement, and

667
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, everyone started valuing parity in

668
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: a reality we've never had it to a large degree

669
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Speaker 1: in college football. Ever go back and look, there's rarely

670
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I know people want to point to the seven season.

671
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: Could anyone find me the comparable data points to two

672
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Two thousand and sevens the anomaly. It's

673
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: the four leaf clover and a patch of mushrooms. It

674
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist regularly. And that wasn't a period, by the way,

675
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: that was just one year. And so generally there is

676
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Speaker 1: a batch of programs that are dominating. And right now

677
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: we're not far into the playoff era, we're less than

678
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: a decade in. There are no real trends to be

679
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: drawn here. The fact of the matter is this. The

680
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: best thing to inject parody into college football is the

681
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: retirement of Nick Saban. That's it. And there's no mechanism

682
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you can put in place in a rule book or

683
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: in the structure, whatever the case may be to do that.

684
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of this stuff. You're either going

685
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: to have to grin and bear or have another coach

686
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: come along to topple Nick Saban with to get your parody,

687
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: because parody is always going to be a mirage. It'll

688
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: be an illusion anything you put in place. I want

689
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: you to think about this. If you believe in the

690
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: principle of cream rising to the top, and you believe

691
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: in the fact that the best are always able to

692
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: adapt to the current and future structure in order to

693
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: best position themselves and their organizations for success, then it

694
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what we're talking about here, Sean. What we're

695
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: talking about is applying one rule to the entire sport,

696
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: which means, by default, the playing field is still level,

697
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: and as long as everyone's operating on the same parameters,

698
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: the best are going to rise to the top. This

699
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: is the case in tennis. Like if Serena Williams were

700
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: dominating and we thought that maybe if we widen the court,

701
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it would play into the

702
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: hands of someone else. It's the same rules for everyone. Now,

703
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: if you widened her side of the court and you

704
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: kept the other side eighteen inches smaller, then then you've

705
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: falsely injected pairs like you have manufactured parody, which goes

706
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: against the nature of sport. But as long as the

707
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: playing field is equal, as long as the rule book

708
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: reads the same for everyone, the best are going to

709
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: continue to dominate, and you'll probably do so even at

710
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: the expense in some unforeseen areas of some other programs.

711
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Professor Drummond is next up. That's of course a stage

712
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: name is Mamma didn't give them that name. But he's

713
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a friend of the program, so we start to give

714
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: out nicknames when you're a friend of the program for

715
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: as long as Professor Drummond has been. He said over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, I watched the Clemson spring game as I

717
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: always do. This year it felt different because of the

718
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: numerous questions among different position groups how much value you

719
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: should be put in a spring game in terms of EVO. Well,

720
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: if you want to evaluate a spring game, the way

721
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: I always chose to do it is I'm evaluating critical metrics.

722
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking about a running back. Let's say that

723
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: we just brought in and he's a true freshman. I

724
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: want to see him with my eyes. Does the quick twitch,

725
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: does the burst, does the acceleration? Does the vision? Do

726
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: those characteristics match what I think in my head. I'm

727
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily looking at scheme specific things because I'm not

728
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of that in a spring game.

729
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking to validate a lot of the critical factors

730
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Speaker 1: with individual players that my mind thinks is there. So

731
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Speaker 1: if I think a left tackle is capable of starting,

732
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: and then I continuously see him on his stomach and

733
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: getting whipped around the edge, and I know, ooh man,

734
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Speaker 1: that's the guy that I think is going to start

735
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Week one against whoever. That may be where I draw

736
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: some conclusions from a spring game, But if I see

737
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line in general struggle, I don't have the

738
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: slightest clue what concepts are being implemented. I don't have

739
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: the slightest clue what kind of schemes we're running. I

740
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: don't know anything about the structure of the spring game,

741
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: nor do you, even if you're a hardcore fan of

742
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: that team. There's no way to know what's in the

743
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: game plan, what was and wasn't during install periods for

744
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: that specific game. For all you know, the closed scrimmage

745
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: the week prior to the open public spring game displayed

746
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line being dominant, and it was so dominant

747
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: that the coaching staff set in the film room and said,

748
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you know what, we got everything we want to see here.

749
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: Let's serve a little humble pie in a spring game.

750
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: And so let's take this out and let's filter that out,

751
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: and let's go as vanilla as we possibly can with

752
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: our blocking concepts, and let's let these boys get whipped

753
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: in front of a national audience. That way, Summer will

754
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: take care of itself. So I wouldn't look at it

755
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: that way, but I would look at individual aspects, critical factors,

756
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. If a receiver

757
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: comes in and he's listed at six' three and all

758
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden he looks no taller than six foot,

759
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: like that's SOMETHING i could take. Away IF i think

760
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: this guy's got game breaking speed AND i see him

761
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: catch a ball over the middle and get hawked down

762
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: by an outside, linebacker that's SOMETHING i could take. Away

763
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: but you, know if the defense, struggles that's not SOMETHING

764
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: i really care all that much. About last one, Here thomas,

765
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: said you said you Thought Billy napier Was South carolina's best.

766
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Option why is that Over? BEAMER i Viewed Shane biemer

767
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: as a greater risk with a greater. Reward let's Say

768
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: napier did come here and got us to a couple

769
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: of ten win, Seasons i'm almost certain he would leave

770
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Speaker 1: For texas Or Ohio state or some other massive. Program Whereas,

771
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: beamer it's never been a, coach and that's the bigger risk.

772
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: Part but the bigger reward IS i don't think he'll,

773
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: leave and he could be A Dabbo clemson situation for.

774
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Speaker 1: Us as much AS i hate saying, that, Well, thomas you're,

775
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: RIGHT i think a lot of a lot of attentions

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00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: being put on the high. Reward, WELL i also have

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Speaker 1: to factor in the high. Risk that's WHY i factored

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00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: in The Shane beemer high risk category WHEN i SAID

779
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: i thought That Billy napier would be the better, Option

780
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: i'm just trending towards the better coach. There. NOW i

781
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: will tell you this was not some slam. Dunk in my,

782
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: MIND i understand the appeal Of Shane. Biemer Love Shane.

783
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Speaker 1: Biemer hope he succeeds, there because what you have and

784
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: there's this group of coaches right. Now Clark lee's one

785
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: of them At. Vanderbilt Jeff collins mentioned he's one of

786
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: them At Georgia. Tech Shane beemer is one of these

787
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: guys right. Now Ed orzron for that, matter is one AT. Lsu. Now,

788
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: GRANTED lsu is A tier one job Whereas South carolina's.

789
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: Not BUT i want you to think About collins At Georgia,

790
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: Tech Shane beemer At South, Carolina Clark lee At. Vanderbilt

791
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: these are guys that are unique culture. FITS i always

792
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: believe in culture. Fits it's way more important in college

793
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: than it is THE. Nf, well for many different. Reasons

794
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: it's good for college when guys who are culture fits

795
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: succeed in the place where their puzzle piece fits uniquely.

796
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Fits by the, Way Shane biemer wouldn't fit At, illinois

797
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: just Like Brett bielima wouldn't fit At South. Carolina these

798
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: are culture. Fits and SO i look At Shane biemer

799
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Speaker 1: and if he does, succeed Or collins At Georgia, tech

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Speaker 1: if they do, succeed Or Clark, lee maybe even at

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Speaker 1: Vander but if they, succeed here's what's. Different you talk

802
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: about the potential elevation and taking a new. Job they

803
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: are less likely to do. That and you know why

804
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: you mentioned. It, actually the reason why is cause these

805
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: guys view those jobs way more favorably than the market.

806
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: Does Shane biemer looks at The South carolina job and,

807
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: says this is a destination. Job whereas If Ryan day

808
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: were to have taken The South carolina, Job let's say

809
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: he went From Ohio state as an assistant and his

810
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: first head coaching job was In. Columbia he'd be a,

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Speaker 1: SUCCESS i can pretty much guarantee you, that but he'd

812
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: have his eye like you said On, Columbus ohio or

813
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: a program comp to, that and he'd be looking to.

814
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Elevate so find a coach, who, yes has the higher,

815
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: risk but the higher reward is that he does not

816
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: view your program as a, wrung as a stepping. Stone

817
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: he is where he wants to. Be it's not a launching.

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Pad it's the. Moon that was pretty. Good put that

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Speaker 1: on A t. Shirt he's where he wants to. Be

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Speaker 1: SO i don't have a problem with either. One like

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Speaker 1: it was, semantics it was opinion versus opinion, here but

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00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: they made the. Decision they made the decision At South

823
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: carolina they feel is right for. Them hope for all

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Speaker 1: the world that he. Succeeds, listen if It's tuesday and you're,

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00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: listening it's one more of those. Weeks we have one

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Speaker 1: more of them where we have Another Late Kick live

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Speaker 1: On tuesday night instead Of. Thursday but we also have

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Speaker 1: one On, thursday so we Got Lake Kick live. Tonight

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Speaker 1: it's jam. Packed there is no off season. Here that's

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Speaker 1: why we don't use the. WORD i just used it

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Speaker 1: as an. Example. There it IS x season and it Is,

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Speaker 1: april and that means we're about one hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: tow one hundred fifty days away from college, football depending

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Speaker 1: on when your program takes the. Field so for Producer,

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Speaker 1: Jordan I'm Josh. Pate hope you enjoyed the. Podcast hit

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Speaker 1: day And god bless