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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Daily, where we always catch our

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Speaker 1: two point conversions. I'm Greg Rosenthal sticking the knife in

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Speaker 1: and feeling bad about it in the Chris Westleying podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: next to my friend Patrick Claybaugh, who's dancing through the pain,

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Speaker 1: and my other friend Nick Shook, who wishes he could

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Speaker 1: feel the pain of a difficult playoff loss as a

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Speaker 1: Browns fan.

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Speaker 2: Gents, how are we doing? Sorry? I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: wrong with.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all we all deal with it in different ways.

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Speaker 3: It was a spectacular game. There's a reason that these

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Speaker 3: things mean so much. And to get out there and see,

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Speaker 3: you know, some of the best in the world. I'll

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Speaker 3: go out there. It's always good. And with Jim and

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Speaker 3: Tony on the call, great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Shook, Uh, you know you're a You're an AFC North guy.

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Speaker 1: Are you like Rudy against your your rival Ravens? Are

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Speaker 1: you rooting for your friend Patrick here in this situation?

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Speaker 4: I was? I mean, well, first off, I don't feel anything,

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Speaker 4: so okay, so talking about the paint of a playoff loss,

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Speaker 4: I don't feel anything, but no, I was on the

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Speaker 4: Ravens span wagon. I was on the train. I had

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Speaker 4: ten points in this game. I just didn't foresee them

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Speaker 4: turning the ball three times.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you so you don't like our producer Eric

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Speaker 1: who is who is trying to not celebrate he he's

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Speaker 1: making quotes like he's on the team. Was like, the

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Speaker 1: next one is the one one that really matters this

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Speaker 1: this is just a true step, It's true. Sure, what

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Speaker 1: about celebrating Toby Roberts there? Yeah, what is this? You're

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Speaker 1: not the one happened at press conference. They've lost in

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Speaker 1: this round three straight years until this one home, and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs are looming, guys, bigger problems. Yes, Horizon, thank

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Speaker 1: you for leading me to what I should have started

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Speaker 1: the show with. The Bills won this game against the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: and we have our conference championship games set starting in

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Speaker 1: the NFC. The Commanders will be headed to Philadelphia that

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Speaker 1: game at three pm Eastern next week. The Eagles sweated

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Speaker 1: it out, as you guys know, if you're listening, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that game in a little while. And yes,

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Speaker 1: the AFC championship game. All season long, it felt like

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Speaker 1: it was leading to either Ravens Chiefs or Bills Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: and we found out in Orchard Park on Sunday that

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be Eric's Bills.

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Speaker 2: Let's go there.

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Speaker 3: Jackson lines up in the SHOTGI, looks to his left,

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Speaker 3: brings Likely in motion, takes the snap back the pass

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Speaker 3: plenty of.

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Speaker 5: Time again looking looking.

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Speaker 6: Jackson now rolling to his right, still look much time,

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Speaker 6: fires deep for.

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Speaker 2: The end zone in his.

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Speaker 6: Hot, hot diamond catch in the end zone by Likely Isaya, Likely,

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Speaker 6: skidding across the end zone, holds it in and with

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Speaker 6: one thirty three to go, it's a two point game.

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Speaker 6: A twenty four yard touchdown the likely, and now the

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Speaker 6: Ravens have a chance to time.

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Speaker 7: Play clock down to five. Here's the snap, Jackson rolling right,

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Speaker 7: looking to.

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Speaker 8: Toss it and dropping the football in complete his mark andrews.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't a well prone ball at all. It was

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Speaker 8: behind Rays and he could not come up with it.

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Speaker 8: Falling away from the pass, It's incomplete.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was the key sequence.

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Speaker 1: Late in Sunday evenings, Bills Ravens AFC Division around twenty

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Speaker 1: seven to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I personally agree disagree with Chris Brown there.

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Speaker 1: On WGR The pass was fine, Andrew stumbled a little bit,

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Speaker 1: dropped his third pass of the game, a nightmare performance

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Speaker 1: for one of the all time great Ravens. Also had

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Speaker 1: a lost fumble. We'll talk about all that. That was

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Speaker 1: also Ryan Radkey on Westwood One. They asked Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: the line, and like he's done patrick for so much

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Speaker 1: of the season, he delivered got them into the end zone.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Sean McDermott was right not to have any faith in.

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Speaker 1: His defense and kick that field goal to go up

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Speaker 2: He was getting time.

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Speaker 1: They're winning up front, but they don't hit the two,

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Speaker 1: and that is how the season ends for your Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a story of the season for Baltimore that

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Speaker 3: that's what these Ravens have done consistently. They've scored that touchdown.

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Speaker 3: They lose the game in Pittsburgh on a bobble two

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Speaker 3: This game, you know, there's some snap mouth feasons on

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Speaker 3: a play that leads to a fumble, But this is

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Speaker 3: the moment that everybody's gonna remember. Ryan Radkey says, as

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Speaker 3: bad past, I guess he wants Lamar to fire that

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Speaker 3: don't even know what the windchill was like at that

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Speaker 3: Mark Andrews to deal with. The ball was where it

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Speaker 3: it bounces away. It did from Mark Andrews a couple

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Speaker 3: of times here. But that's what this offense has been

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Speaker 3: Here they drop back and throw. I was thinking of

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Speaker 3: let's just give Lamar seventeen seconds to find an open receiver.

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Speaker 3: And he does that and he comes through. But I

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Speaker 3: see what sticks. And ultimately, the Ravens just didn't make

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Speaker 1: Yes. And I sometimes get on coaches for not having

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Speaker 1: In the moment, and in the moment, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I was one of the few people who wanted McDermott

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Speaker 1: he should have had a lack of faith in his defense.

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Speaker 1: The way the Ravens were moving the ball. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: like there are four drives in the second half field

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Speaker 1: So maybe he was right not to have faith in

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I think you have to make it an eight point

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Speaker 4: because they already failed at doing it once earlier in

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Speaker 4: tie it and send it to overtime by kicking that

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Speaker 1: For what it's worth it, the models probably had it

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Speaker 1: lean to go. For me, it's more just like, you

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Speaker 1: win the game multiple ways, one of which would be

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Speaker 4: That also speaks to the Ravens play calling decisions on

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Speaker 4: it gets tipped to the line of scrimmage incomplete same

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Speaker 4: many ways that you can attack on the ground and

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Speaker 4: They roll out right, They force themselves into a third

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Speaker 4: It comes down to one throw and you lose the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating game because I don't think there

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Speaker 1: legacy talk. Now, Lamar Jackson did not play his best game.

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Speaker 1: I think the first half and his struggles and the

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Speaker 2: Even though they had seven.

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Speaker 1: Point three yards per play, they outgained the Bills by

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Speaker 1: His struggles contributed, but so many things contributed to it, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: three times and the Bills didn't. So they win a

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Speaker 1: game where Josh Allen was sort of a supporting character

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Speaker 2: And that those were two important.

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Speaker 1: Differences, But it kind of does come back to three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, according to the next Gen stats, they lost thirty

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Speaker 3: six point seven percent in win probability on those three

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Speaker 3: play and so the Bills, Yeah, they had a conservative

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Speaker 3: game plan. Josh Allen only attempted four passes that were

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Speaker 3: longer than ten yards. But wow, when you have a

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Speaker 3: defense that made plays like they did today, because that

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Speaker 3: on that Lamar interception, Matt Mlonal gets pressure, Lamar has

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Speaker 3: There was Matt Milano tipping that ball in the two

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Speaker 3: If he finishes the block on Matt Milano, then yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that's an easy two point conversion. And maybe they're

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Speaker 3: it's when a team executes so well like they did

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Speaker 3: we expect to see them duplicate that over and over again,

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Speaker 3: it just goes hilariously and horribly wrong for the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's tough because, like you said, they outgained them,

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Speaker 4: like they were moving the ball well, and I hate

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Speaker 9: I mean, they were moving the ball really well at

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Speaker 4: That was the drive that they were supposed to finish

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Speaker 1: Since he just mentioned it, let's listen to that turnover.

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Speaker 5: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: You're a professional. Here's a stab. Oh it almost went

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Speaker 10: Jackson has it, but he's wrapped up around the angles.

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Speaker 2: Pretty fumbled the football. It's scooped up by.

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Speaker 5: And the TV angle doesn't do that snap justice. It's

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Speaker 3: The snap was to Lamar's extended left hand, almost as

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Speaker 3: that started the playoff down a bad road. But those

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Speaker 5: But that's not how things work. It's a cumulative football

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Speaker 4: There's also another margin that I think we might overlook

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Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, yeah, and it produced a touchdown. That

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Speaker 9: It's just that that happened to be the last play

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Speaker 2: Game, right.

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Speaker 9: And we don't just use James Cook.

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Speaker 1: Alan hits mac Collins. I like that they started out

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Speaker 1: with the pass on that drive and then after that

443
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Speaker 1: it's short passes to Coleman and Johnson and it's them

444
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Speaker 1: able to run the ball with Cook and they get

445
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Speaker 1: down to what the two yard line, it's third and two,

446
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Speaker 1: and you think they're just gonna go QB sneak there,

447
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: the Josh Allen Toushbush type of play, and instead he's

448
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Speaker 1: in shotgun and it's a quarterback run. And those have

449
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Speaker 1: been effective for them. He didn't, you know, have a

450
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Speaker 1: ton of yards in this game, but they were effective

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Speaker 1: for him. But he gets held up and for a

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Speaker 1: second he's held up and he looks backwards, and I

453
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Speaker 1: just want to know Eric, like, were you clocking that

454
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Speaker 1: in the moment and what was going through your mind

455
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Speaker 1: at that moment?

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Speaker 11: I yelled, He's gonna later relate. Chris is sitting there

457
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Speaker 11: watching with me because you see him shuttle it. I

458
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Speaker 11: got a phone call from my brother watching at his home.

459
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Speaker 11: He knows I'm at work. He called me moments later

460
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Speaker 11: he's like, did you see his hands? Yeah, he was

461
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Speaker 11: totally thinking about latering it was. Cook was standing there

462
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Speaker 11: and Cook kind of gave a little hesy like and

463
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Speaker 11: there was like eight arms on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at all eight were owned by Madam, but he

465
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Speaker 2: totally was.

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Speaker 1: It is funny, and I don't want to get caught

467
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Speaker 1: trapped in in what the conversation could be or wouldn't be.

468
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Speaker 1: But it's like mattab Weeke ultimately helped the Bills out

469
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Speaker 1: there because if we had had a Josh Allen throws

470
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Speaker 1: a bad fumble there in the moment, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I could have lived with like the narrative after that.

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Speaker 1: I know they still would have been up five at

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Speaker 1: that point, but it just would have been a preposterous

474
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Speaker 1: ad to that game and Josh defense.

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Speaker 5: If you go back and look at it, Okay, it's Cook.

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Speaker 3: Mac Collins and Keon and there's just there's just for

477
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Speaker 3: Davious White over there. If he if he rolls that

478
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Speaker 3: thing to James Cook, Okay, he probably walks into the

479
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Speaker 3: end zone.

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Speaker 1: That would be another fun way to end the game too.

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Speaker 1: Then it actually works, that would have been that would

482
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Speaker 1: have been fun. But if he's got made Weekway's arm

483
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Speaker 1: just grabbing him as he's doing, who knows.

484
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a little pucker there, guys.

485
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Speaker 5: And also you know, the.

486
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Speaker 3: Referees could blow the whistle when somebody is being dragged

487
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Speaker 3: down by five people and nobody's going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: They do have the option to stop the play, yes,

489
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Speaker 1: and they did not, So they were they were fired

490
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Speaker 1: up after the game. I love what Josh Allen said

491
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Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson, about just the respect that he had

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Speaker 1: for him. They had a nice embrace at midfield. Let's

493
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Speaker 1: actually listen to Sean McDermott after the game, a little

494
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Speaker 1: spicier that I would have expected. They heard it all

495
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Speaker 1: week long.

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Speaker 11: We're not we're not big enough, we're not strong enough,

497
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Speaker 11: not talented enough, not fat, whatever it is, they heard it.

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Speaker 5: I don't do the social media things, but I think.

499
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Speaker 4: Josh did this too in the post game where the

500
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Speaker 4: people did you hear yeah they're not fat enough? In fact,

501
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 4: when when they when he said it, when Josh said

502
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Speaker 4: on the field after what I said, oh, shut up,

503
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Speaker 4: like we don't need this narrative.

504
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Speaker 1: You're a good football team. But this is not a

505
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Speaker 1: ton of doubters. This is this is just how it goes,

506
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Speaker 1: like the Chiefs do. This is like Novak Djokovic is

507
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: over there in Australia. He refuses to do post post

508
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Speaker 1: match interviews right now because one guy like made a

509
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Speaker 1: joke about not liking him, and you just it's these

510
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Speaker 1: great players they did and coaches apparently they need to

511
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Speaker 1: find enemies.

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Speaker 5: No, they'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermott needs to ingratiate himself to the people in

514
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Speaker 3: Buffalo who call for his job when they don't have

515
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Speaker 3: postseason success. So saying this maybe does that. It maybe

516
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Speaker 3: makes him a little bit safer. I think it's a

517
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Speaker 3: solid place.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he should be apply safe.

519
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Speaker 1: Although you're right, if they had lost this game, who

520
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: knows people people would would not be happy with him.

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Speaker 1: I like I said, I'm impressed how they have mixed

522
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Speaker 1: it up in terms of being able to run the ball,

523
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Speaker 1: and in terms of the defensive approach, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: much of a pass rush.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Next week talking about the Chiefs, because I do think

527
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Speaker 1: that's a problem for them that maybe he recognized when

528
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Speaker 1: deciding to kick that three that their four man passwords

529
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Speaker 1: just isn't great and that's why they needed to blitz today.

530
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Speaker 1: But ultimately they do force the mistakes, and Lamar Jackson

531
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Speaker 1: spoke about that after the game.

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Speaker 12: The first half, I had two Casey turnos, me not

533
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Speaker 12: holding the safety, me just knowing the covering, me knowing

534
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Speaker 12: it was man through a BS in the session, Gabe,

535
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Speaker 12: it was seven seven at the time.

536
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Speaker 5: I believe they scored after that bad or bad fumble.

537
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Speaker 12: It's not trying to make something happen and couldn't though.

538
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Speaker 12: It was like a RPO place, so I couldn't really

539
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Speaker 12: throw the ball likely with the office line down the field,

540
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Speaker 12: so I was trying to make something happen. Try to

541
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Speaker 12: sweeze the ball, stood up, my hand, picked it up,

542
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Speaker 12: got some yards that led to points for them. So

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Speaker 12: it's a team effort out there. You know, he's been

544
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Speaker 12: busting his behind making places happened out down that field

545
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Speaker 12: for us. UH came up short. And like I've been

546
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Speaker 12: saying all season, every time we have situations like this,

547
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Speaker 12: turnovers play a factor.

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Speaker 5: Pennanties play a factor.

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Speaker 12: Today, Well tonight the turnover. You know, that's why we

550
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Speaker 12: lost the game, because as you can see, moving the

551
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Speaker 12: ball wonderfully is hold on to the I'm sorry for

552
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Speaker 12: my labor room annoying.

553
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Speaker 5: How to fill up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's there's an instinct I think to.

555
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Speaker 1: Talk about because it's going to be annoying obviously for

556
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Speaker 1: the Ravens and frustrating in in this aftermath and for

557
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Speaker 1: their fans and for the next six months until we

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Speaker 1: do this again.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just how it works.

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Speaker 1: But I want to resist the urge to talk about

561
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Speaker 1: the legacy of it all and the long term view

562
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Speaker 1: of it all, because I just have been around enough

563
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Speaker 1: to see how it just is always changing. Lamar and

564
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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, who I think have a lot of similarities,

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Speaker 1: just as in terms of their individual career and their

566
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Speaker 1: success and not playing their bet Like Lamar really has

567
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Speaker 1: had some of his worst games in the playoffs.

568
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Speaker 2: I don't think this was one of them.

569
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Speaker 1: But he did have the mistakes in the first half

570
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Speaker 1: of this game that he obviously regrets, but otherwise we

571
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Speaker 1: saw what made the Ravens great. But there are a

572
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Speaker 1: lot of similarities with Manning. I'm old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: that Manning was always the guy who couldn't win the

574
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Speaker 1: big game. He was always the guy that couldn't win

575
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Speaker 1: the big game until he wasn't. And then it actually

576
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Speaker 1: flipped so far that he was the greatest of all

577
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Speaker 1: time and it actually was kind of done and dusted

578
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Speaker 1: at that moment, which is funny to think about now.

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Speaker 1: On NFL dot Com the morning of the Seahawks Broncos

580
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, it said, greatest of all time? How Peyton

581
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Speaker 1: Manning can cement like his tie with one more win

582
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Speaker 1: over the Seahawks. They got in this game and they

583
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Speaker 1: lose forty three to eight, And it's funny to think

584
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: about now. And now people make their top fives and

585
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Speaker 1: people don't even talk about Manny, which I actually I

586
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: think they should, like he should be in that mix.

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Speaker 2: But it's just it's just stupid. It's all stupid.

588
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: It's the same people. Greg.

589
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Speaker 3: We let them off the hook every single time, whether

590
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Speaker 3: it's Andy Murray, Phil Mickelson, Lebron James Michael Jordan, they.

591
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Speaker 5: Just say it and then the person wins, and then

592
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: they say it.

593
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: About the next person, and we never take the time

594
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: to mute and block these people and take the microphones

595
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Speaker 3: out of their damn hands.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense.

597
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: You win the game and then everything is great, But

598
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: if you don't, there's only two outcomes that can happen.

599
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Speaker 5: There's only two outcomes that can happen. So the idea

600
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Speaker 5: if you don't win, that you can't win. It's asinine.

601
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Speaker 3: And if you love football, if you love sports, then

602
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: you should hold people that you communicate with to a

603
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: higher standard where they don't say dumb shit.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't make any damn sense.

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Speaker 4: It's also imply reductive. In a team sport, it's eleven

606
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: on eleven. You have to stay healthy. Things the ball

607
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: that's not round has to bounce your way. You have

608
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: elements that you play in, especially in playoff games that

609
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: are played outside, some things can go wrong. It's not

610
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: always down to one player, no matter how important the

611
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: position is. Yet, because we reduce everything down to the simplest,

612
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 4: most easily understandable, form for talk shows, which a podcast

613
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: is a talk we are airtime on TV on Monday morning.

614
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: It ends up being that. And then you go to

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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 4: the barber shop or the locker room and they all

616
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Speaker 4: say the same things.

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Speaker 9: And guess what.

618
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Speaker 4: Football is a much more complex sport than that. It

619
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Speaker 4: is like dance and jazz. That's corey and raft at

620
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Speaker 4: a high speed with massive humans all playing at once,

621
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Speaker 4: and sometimes it's slippery and cold out there.

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Speaker 9: It is not that easy and it's not that simple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like what you said to me Patrick

624
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: before the show is something that you don't want the

625
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Speaker 1: conversations around this game to.

626
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Impact how you feel about the game.

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Speaker 3: No about this particular team, because the twenty twenty three

628
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens were very

629
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: good football teams with very good and notable stories that

630
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: should be remembered and celebrated, but because ball bounces and

631
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: things didn't ultimately go their way, were forced to relegate

632
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Speaker 3: them to.

633
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Speaker 5: The back of our minds in history. But they were

634
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: still very good football team.

635
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Speaker 2: They were very good, but they did ultimate results.

636
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Speaker 1: They ultimately didn't play their best game, which is what

637
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Speaker 1: they needed to go through the playoffs, and I do

638
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: think that's where it's not about legacy, it's about the

639
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Ravens. That this was a really good

640
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Ravens teams. They've had some before. I think the way

641
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: they came into the playoffs, and I think you saw

642
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: today their defense wasn't perfect, but I think it was

643
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: good enough, and I think their offense was special. That

644
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: it was a missed opportunity. It's a loaded AFC with

645
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: three major superpower but they had a real opportunity and

646
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: if they had gotten through this game, it would have

647
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: been really tough. Next week in the super Bowl would

648
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: have been tough too. But I think I'll think of

649
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: them a little similar to the twenty twenty two Bills

650
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Speaker 1: that lost in overtime or twenty twenty one Bills. It's

651
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: so hard to con this Bills team is always knocking

652
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: on the door, Eric, but that team, i'm'll always be convinced.

653
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Speaker 1: If they had just gotten through that game, I think

654
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Speaker 1: they would have won the Super Bowl. And this Ravens

655
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: team was that kind of team and they didn't get

656
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Speaker 1: it done. And so that that hurts because we've been

657
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Speaker 1: around long enough to know they're not going to have

658
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Speaker 1: that team every year, you know, and Lamar has years

659
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Speaker 1: left in his prime, but you can't guarantee that they're

660
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Speaker 1: gonna have that good of an offense going into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say healthy, but relatively healthy is the word.

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Speaker 1: I really think they missed Zay Flowers in these last

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Speaker 1: two games, and that's that's just how it goes.

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Speaker 5: He saw a cross or to Miller, Yeah, and it's like, wow,

665
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Speaker 5: the Miller game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be nice, but everybody's dealing with injuries,

667
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Speaker 3: and all credit to a Bill's team, Eric smokes.

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Speaker 5: Nobody get mad at me. They played great, good luck

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Speaker 5: against Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 1: I think they're such a good team and they're so

672
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Speaker 1: diverse that they played their B minus game, not a

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00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: bad game or a B game, Eric, Is that fair

674
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Speaker 1: to say? And they won a divisional round game against

675
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Speaker 1: a really good opponent.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, And these conversations would have been the exact same thing.

677
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 11: If Lamar goes down and wins, then we're talking about

678
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Speaker 11: Josh Allen never getting over the hump.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a doomed matchup from the start.

680
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Speaker 11: The loser is gonna sit and dwell in it for

681
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 11: six months, whatever it is, and the you know, now

682
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Speaker 11: what's on to case.

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Speaker 2: It sucks.

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Speaker 11: You know, I would have much rather this have been

685
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Speaker 11: the AFC Championship game, but then we would have been

686
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Speaker 11: having the same conversation next week instead of right now.

687
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: You know, selfishly, I just wanted like.

688
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Twelve percent more fireworks, or like seventeen more percent more fireworks.

689
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Like I wanted Andrews to make that catch, and I

690
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: wanted them to go back and forth in overtime. Or

691
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Speaker 1: I wanted to see what would happen with Josh Allen

692
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: with the ball there. I wanted to see what happened

693
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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen going for it on fourth down there.

694
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Speaker 1: I wanted to see these two great players do even more.

695
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: But they did. They did plenty. They've entertained us.

696
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Speaker 5: Us all.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's go and talk about the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break after I let you know

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Speaker 1: that you can still donate and support the Red Cross

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Speaker 1: at Redcross dot org slash NFL. The devastation, the destruction

701
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: from the wildfires in the LA region has died down

702
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: over the last week, but it also is really becoming

703
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: a difficult time. You know, we all have people close

704
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Speaker 1: to us in this city that are starting to rebuild, and.

705
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Speaker 5: Just the.

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Speaker 2: Day to day.

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Speaker 1: Practicalities of now what they're doing like that, that's where

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Speaker 1: they're going to need help. And some people have more

709
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: resources than others, certainly, but it's difficult for everyone. And

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Speaker 1: the Red Cross is out there trying to help. And

711
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: we're worried about this wind event and the heat that

712
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Speaker 1: it's coming over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: So we hope for the best there.

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Speaker 1: But you can help all the families in the Red

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Speaker 1: Cross respond to and help these people recover from these

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Speaker 1: disasters by donating today at Redcross dot org slash NFL.

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Speaker 1: We will be back on the other side and you

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Speaker 1: will hear from the Philadelphia Eagles radio crew.

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Speaker 2: It's fourth and eleven.

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Speaker 13: If the Eagles stop that right here, if they keep

721
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Speaker 13: them shy of a first down, they win the game.

722
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 13: Stafford lines up, he's in the gun. Both shut on

723
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Speaker 13: their sign, Stafford, but he's looking. He puts on the

724
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Speaker 13: air and it's in complete. It's in complete. The Eagles

725
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Speaker 13: check over domes. Hello, they are heading fully NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: Put your porter. That was Merril Reese.

727
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Speaker 1: I'm w ip fitting that the Eagles defense had to

728
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Speaker 1: finish the game like they did much of this season,

729
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: with a little help from Saquon Bark a lot of help,

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Speaker 1: Let's be real.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles get it done, although when Matthew Stafford hit

733
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Speaker 1: Pooka Nakua down the sideline in the snow their second

734
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: drive in just the last couple of minutes, that ends

735
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Speaker 1: up getting close to the end zone. I don't know

736
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Speaker 1: about you, Shook, but I thought this improbable Rams season

737
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Speaker 1: was going to continue.

738
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Speaker 2: I really did.

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 4: I said out loud, this is why I don't start

740
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: writing at length in close games like this until it's over,

741
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: because they're about to blow up everything I've written so far.

742
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Speaker 9: And they didn't, but they made it really interesting.

743
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Speaker 4: What was funny, I think to me is in the broadcast,

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00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 4: Collinsworth with like three and a half minutes left is like, yeah,

745
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: you know, they're finally moving the ball. They decided to

746
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: go up tempo and it's working, but they just went

747
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: to it too like speaking in the past tense is

748
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: if the game's over, and I said out loud, then Chris,

749
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: they got all three timeouts in three and a half minutes. Low,

750
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 4: This game is not over and it almost clearly wasn't over.

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Speaker 1: Although to be fair to Chris and I agree with you, Nick,

752
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: you were right in that scenario, the drive that Stafford

753
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Speaker 1: put together, the hurry up that he's talking about after

754
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: the Saquon Barkley one play seventy eight yard drive which

755
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: put them up twenty eight to fifteen with four and

756
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: a half minutes to go. First of all that the

757
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: offense was not plentiful in this game, and you figured

758
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: it was over, but they won ten plays in a

759
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: minute forty eight. That was some badass gunslinger. Only of

760
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: a couple quarterbacks, veteran quarterbacks are gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: pull that off. That took three, four, five really nice

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: throws by Matthew Stafford and great decisions, and then he

763
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Speaker 1: hits that Puka throw and I'm thinking that's the Matt

764
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Ryan throw to Julio Jones in the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: it kind of will be remembered that way. A great throw,

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Speaker 1: that's for not But man Stafford had a great kind

767
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Speaker 1: of final case. Our friend Jordan Rodrieg got emotional right

768
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Speaker 1: in this last game of the season for this Rams team,

769
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Speaker 1: and they put it well in their headline. If the

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Speaker 1: Rams like improbable season had to end. Stafford got a

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Speaker 1: last word and it was not a perfect game from Stafford,

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Speaker 1: but all the things that you love about him.

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Speaker 3: He put the fear of God in the link, not

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Speaker 3: just the ball to Puka, but it was another classic

775
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: Stafford playoff no look on touchdown to Parkinson where it's like,

776
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Speaker 3: don't give none the ball back. I mean we now,

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00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: the Eagles played most of this game. I think Quiyon

778
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: Mitchell only got six snaps of pass coverage before he

779
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: left the game hurt. So the Eagles were man down

780
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: in the secondary, but Jalen Carter was getting pressure all game,

781
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Speaker 3: and the season long narrative was, hey, you get to

782
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: Stafford a few times, the offense is gonna slow down.

783
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Speaker 3: But the Rams offense it kept coming. And even though

784
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Speaker 3: it happened late we talked about earlier, these points are

785
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: cumulative and this Stafford gives the Rams this puncher's chance

786
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: that that really isn't duplicated almost anywhere else when you

787
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: look at the guys. Of course, Pooka and Cooper Cup

788
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: provide a thing that not a lot of folks have.

789
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: But the plays that were made DeMarcus Robinson right, great catch,

790
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: takes the ball away from a defender. He puts these

791
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: guys in position to make plays where these balls might

792
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: not even be thrown by a lot of other very

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Speaker 3: very good quarterbacks. And that's why it's if this is right,

794
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: because we talked about the potential end of the Stafford

795
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: era like to take away this coronation from Tom Brady

796
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Speaker 3: to steal that Super Bowl to ruin the first season

797
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: of Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow like to come in

798
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: and be this Babba yaga, right, Like this man is

799
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: the John Wick of the NF And even when you

800
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: know all the tools might not be available, you could

801
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: still scare a really good thing. The Eagles could win

802
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. They could have also lost tonight.

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Speaker 1: Right, And their offense has not been good enough passing

804
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: the ball through two games in the playoffs to win

805
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. But they've gotten through these two games

806
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: and they can get better. They actually have one hundred

807
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: and eighty six net yards passing combined in the two games,

808
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: which is outrageous. They average two point five yards per play.

809
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: And I feel like the preview that we did with

810
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: bo Wolf was so Eagles focused, and here we're starting

811
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: in a similar way where we're going negative Eagles, even

812
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: though they won the game, But I do want to

813
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: start at the end and work our way backwards because

814
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: the reason the Rams had the ball there not only

815
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: is Stafford's great quick drive where they go and hurry up.

816
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: And yes, the Eagles decision really all season.

817
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: Not to rotate their four down linemen.

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: That's just what Fangio does and for the most part

819
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Speaker 1: it's been fantastic. It seemed to catch up up on

820
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Speaker 1: to him late in this game. They were getting tired,

821
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: the Rams going to hurry up.

822
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Speaker 2: That was a problem.

823
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Speaker 1: But the bigger problem shook was they need one first

824
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: down to win the game, essentially just about win the game.

825
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh God, and they get a four yard run I

826
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Speaker 1: think from Saquon on first down and Jalen Hurts is

827
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Speaker 1: not moving well. He suffers I believe a knee injury

828
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Speaker 1: early in this game. He's in the medical tent for

829
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Speaker 1: a while. We think we might get Kenny Pickett. It

830
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, but he's compromised and he doesn't do a

831
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Speaker 1: lot of passing after that, and they call a rollout

832
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Speaker 1: to his left on second down with the season on

833
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Speaker 1: the line, and he smartly just gets sacked by Kobe

834
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Speaker 1: Turner on a play he really had no chance and

835
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Speaker 1: there was an open receiver if you look at the dots,

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Speaker 1: like DeVonta Smith was open. If Kobe Turner had taken

837
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Speaker 1: the cheese. Kobe Turner did not chake take the cheese, shook,

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Speaker 1: and we would be talking about the coaching decisions by

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Speaker 1: the Eagles if Stafford had finished out this game.

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Speaker 2: There. Wow, that sequence to me drove me crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was indicative of a game at which

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Speaker 4: one point I described it as Kellen Moore as having

843
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty three AFC Championship game Todd munkin day,

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Speaker 4: where like he's just not going to his strength, like

845
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Speaker 4: he just actively went away from Saquon for a portion

846
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Speaker 4: of this game. And yes, it's predictable to hand it

847
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 4: off three times and you're trying to salt away the game,

848
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: but also don't outsmart yourself and get your quarterback out

849
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: on the move when he clearly hasn't been moving well

850
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Speaker 4: the entire second half. They're putting deep drops on him

851
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: in his own end zone. He gets sacked for his safety.

852
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 4: Like the play calling in terms of situation and the

853
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: state of your quarterback and where your strengths lie on

854
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: a day in which it's snowing like crazy the entire day,

855
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: and to the point where that to super impose the

856
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: numbers on the field on the TV broadcast because you

857
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Speaker 4: can't see him in real life.

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Speaker 9: They're still making strange decisions.

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Speaker 4: So you have to like thank the defense for coming

860
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: away with one last stop to win this game, because yes,

861
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 4: it very much has been a game that they lost

862
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: in epic fashion. And like uh Patrick said, the fear

863
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: of God was in the link because all the Eagles

864
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: fans felt it happening. As soon as they went three

865
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: and out with that second down play call, they immediately

866
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: were like, oh God, they're going to get the ball back.

867
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Speaker 4: We're really gonna have to sweat this out all the

868
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Speaker 4: way to the end. And luckily they came away on

869
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 4: top of man, not without some nervous moments.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: That was a minus twelve sack for Kobe Turner. These kids,

872
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: I shouldn't call them kids, I mean, they're large men.

873
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: We had some of them on the podcast before the season,

874
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: including Kobe Turner, but especially Turner and Verse in this

875
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: game were just awesome. I saw someone comp first to

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00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack on Twitter today and I was like, oh,

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00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of perfect a young Khalil Mack. They win

878
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: in the same sort of ways. They're just so freaking strong.

879
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: He made Jordan mylotta like who outweighs him by one

880
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: hundred plus pounds. Okay, maybe that's not true, but it.

881
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: Looks like it.

882
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: Like maybe it might be if it's lifted, if it's

883
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: listed that way, maybe not, but like he made him

884
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: look small, and he had a monster day with a

885
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: couple of sacks and and all these pressures, and then

886
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: Turner and they lost Brayden Fisk early in this game.

887
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: Was it was definitely a factor.

888
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: But then so on third down they give the ball

889
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: to Saquon that the Rams get the ball back, they

890
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: have a throw to Cooper Cup with probably his last

891
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: game as a Ram. They have that throw to Puka

892
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: down the field. But yes, I think after Stafford and

893
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: the offensive line made a couple mistakes, like Dotson takes

894
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a false start to back them up, but then Stafford

895
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: gets the ball to Pooka again to set up a

896
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: third and two. Really, the biggest play of the game

897
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: to me was Jalen Carter's sack where I don't.

898
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Know if it was a mental error from bow limmer the.

899
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: Please do, please do okay, So then I think this

900
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: is what won the game for the Eagles. Defensively, Vic

901
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: Fangio on the second half started deploying these stunts because

902
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: he realized that Stafford was, you know, trying to push

903
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: the ball down the field, and what he was doing,

904
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: like every arter back does, is he was stepping up

905
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: into the pocket. And essentially what he created was a

906
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: lie for Stafford to see. It was a falsehood right

907
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: in front of him in which they would stunt the

908
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: interior guys away and it would create this space that

909
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 4: Stafford thought, okay, I can step up into that, and

910
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: as soon as he'd step up into the pocket, a

911
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 4: guy would come around on the back side of the

912
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: stunt and drill him from his blind side. And second,

913
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: that's why they ran up their sack total and why

914
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: they got after him in the second half. So on

915
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 4: that last drive and in that key spot, they see

916
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter there and what they try to do. At first,

917
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: I thought they were sliding. I went to look at

918
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: the end zone angle, I realize, oh, they're not sliding.

919
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: He hits, he puts a hand on him, and as

920
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: he puts a hand on him, he looks to his

921
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: left because he's anticipating a stunt that never shows up.

922
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: And Carter does a great job of faking as if

923
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: he's going to come in he's going to crash inside

924
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: the other guy's going to twist around behind him, But

925
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: he doesn't twist around behind him because he makes the

926
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 4: fake and then goes the opposite direction and leaves Alan

927
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: completely in the dust and has a free path to

928
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: the quarterback. I thought it was a great example of

929
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: how constant stunts can get in the heads of linemen

930
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: and in the biggest, high pressure moments, they can force

931
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: mistakes like that.

932
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: And that's a great pass rush move by Jalen Carter.

933
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: And this game was why you draft a defensive lineman

934
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: as early as you can when he's as talented as

935
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter. There are a lot of teams that wish

936
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: they took Jalen Carter. Bears fans are probably thinking, man,

937
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: we could have Jalen Carter and Jared Verse. I know

938
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: that's wishful, thy just say just saying like this game

939
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: was elite six pressures. He was double teamed on twenty

940
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: six snaps in this game, so most of the snaps

941
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: that he was out there, he was double team And

942
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: that's what I thought for a second to Limmer think

943
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: like he was getting help there because there weren't many

944
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: one on one passing situations for him. And despite the

945
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: all those double teams, six pressures, two and a half sacks,

946
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: three quarterback hits, five tackles, a forced fumble, and a

947
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: pass breakup. So Carter just a massive performance. He had

948
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: that punch out on Kyron Williams, which was such a

949
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: big part of this game. If I had to pick

950
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: just like a sequence that made the difference in this game,

951
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: there were a lot of them. It was a really

952
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: fascinating game. But the back to back turnovers that the

953
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Eagles offense had, so you had one by Jalen Carter

954
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: and then you had the other by Nolan Smith on

955
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, So it.

956
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 13: Was so tempick the toy bullocks are gonna be coming,

957
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 13: becks Stafford.

958
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 5: He looks up, he's big chase.

959
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: He cast the ball, backed.

960
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 13: Out of the towns. He fucked out of the tent,

961
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 13: had covered up with a bowl of Smith played a

962
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 13: head Bowland, Smith, Hill.

963
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Duck covered, Zach Bond was all over the place in

964
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: this game, and I just thought it was two good teams.

965
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was a terrible offensive line performance

966
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: by the Rams. And Nolan Smith has just improved throughout

967
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the course of the season. I thought this game the

968
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: guys without Quinn Mitchell being there, that you've seen step

969
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: up in big moments all season for them. Bond with

970
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: massive plays, Nolan Smith with massive plays, Darius Slay with

971
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: massive plays, and of course Jalen Carter like that.

972
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: It was kind of the the reason that the Eagles got.

973
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: This far despite not having like a great passing game

974
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: like that, the defense got it done today.

975
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Isaiah Rogers stepped up, yeah, and had a

976
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: huge target on his back and made plays now when

977
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: he needed to make plays. It was such a great

978
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: way that Shouk pointed out how Carter makes that that

979
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: sad play by kind of going Jordan versus Byron Russell

980
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: and just you know, it's the crossover allows the move,

981
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: but the push feels like it's a push, but he's

982
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: he's running over there to catch the stunt anyway, and

983
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: it's that union, right because we talked about this hypothetical

984
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: Bears defense that they could have all this talent, you

985
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: still need to put the guys in position to make plays.

986
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: And I was I was doubtful of vig Vangio. I

987
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily believe. You made me believe, Greg when you

988
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: talked about this Fangio effect of designing defenses that have

989
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: had lasting impacts in the league. And to see it

990
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: work with this particular unit when and I know that

991
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: he came in as the consultant that didn't work against

992
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: the Chiefs at all in the Super Bowl. It was

993
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 3: the categorical failure across the board. But to see it working,

994
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: I believe now because this group which is very young. Yeah,

995
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: it's a very young group, and they're making plays together

996
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: like cohesively in the way that we see like a

997
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: Brian Flores defense with guys with like thirty years of

998
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 3: combined experience between three guys.

999
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 5: These guys are all young and they're doing it.

1000
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1001
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: I was thinking, there isn't an interior defensive lineman I'd

1002
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: rather have on my team than Jalen Carter, Like he

1003
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: would be the number one pick in terms of you're

1004
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: talking about like the next three years five years, whatever

1005
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: it is. Then I was even thinking, like, even defensive linemen,

1006
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that if you were choosing

1007
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: one defensive lineman to have for the next five years,

1008
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter's on that list, you could make different choices

1009
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: if you wanted. But uh, like that's a totally reasonable case.

1010
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, they got they got a bunch of them.

1011
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: They got Kunya Mitchell, they got Cooper de Gene. I

1012
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna have Zach Bond unless they want

1013
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: a franchise tag them that that's a conversation for the

1014
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: offseason because some team like the Patriots or the Titans

1015
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: are gonna give him like thirty five million dollars a

1016
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: year to just be like stupid money.

1017
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: And I don't know if yes are gonna be willing

1018
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: uh to pay that money.

1019
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: But as we continue to kind of go backwards in

1020
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the Eagles settled for a field goal

1021
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: after those turnovers. Like the Rams defense, despite giving up

1022
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of big plays in this game, I think

1023
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: played really well overall, and they kept holding on and

1024
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: forcing three points and getting the ball back for the

1025
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: Rams until they didn't.

1026
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: That was the Saquon fourth quarter run twenty two yard line.

1027
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 7: That's what'll still it all if you opens up handoff,

1028
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 7: gets perfully, running.

1029
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: To the left, portly, gets done everything.

1030
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: Sha Kwon Barkley is gone Tuxtown on a snowy Sunday.

1031
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: Berkley just dominated for the Eagles.

1032
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: Yes, that was iron Eagle. Love to have them on

1033
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: the show from Westwood One. And I'd like to apologize

1034
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: to Saquon Barkley. We've made it this far into the

1035
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: proceedings and having brought up like the whole reason why

1036
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the Eagles are.

1037
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: In the NFC Championship. Not the whole reason, but like

1038
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: the biggest reason. Let's be real.

1039
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: He had two hundred and five yards in this game

1040
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: on the ground, more twenty seven more through the air.

1041
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: Add that up for me, Shook. That's two thirty two

1042
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: out of a total of three hundred and fifty yards.

1043
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Where Saquon and just a magical season. He has six plays,

1044
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: six touchdowns over forty yards this season.

1045
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: Four of them are against the Rams.

1046
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Like poor Chris Shula and this Rams defense are going

1047
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: to be seen Saquon Barkley long runs in their nightmares

1048
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: all off season.

1049
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's not really representative of the entire

1050
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: game because other than those two long touchdown runs, I

1051
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 4: think the remaining sixty five rushing yards camon is the

1052
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: other twenty four carries, so math wizards can tell you,

1053
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: I think that's like under three yards an attempt, right,

1054
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: So they did a good job at bolling him up,

1055
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: but it was the big plays and really what it

1056
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: comes down to is the cohesiveness of this entire offense.

1057
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: It's the offensive line getting to second level on that

1058
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 4: run and catching everybody that was in the box in

1059
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: the wash so that Saquon was never interrupted on that

1060
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 4: touchdown run. Like it's the way they all play together

1061
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: so well, and they have such a special athlete and

1062
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: a special back in Saquad that can take it from

1063
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: a big gain to a touchdown run. That makes this

1064
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 4: offense so special, And especially on a day in which

1065
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: they are not throwing the ball well, the elements are

1066
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: not in their favor, they can lean on a guy

1067
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 4: like that and bust one big open right there down

1068
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: the sideline for a touchdowns. It's a magical thing to

1069
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: see happen to a guy who had struggled so much

1070
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: because of the situation he was dealing with.

1071
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 9: In New York. It's like freeing. It's like dreams do

1072
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 9: come true.

1073
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: Guys, He's ruined other running backs for me.

1074
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys do this, but when

1075
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: I watch other games now, I think, oh, Saquon would

1076
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: have housed that one like when like it's like a

1077
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: like a twenty yard like mix and run against the

1078
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs or whatever, and I was like, actually, that hole

1079
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: would have been a Saquon touchdown, and like, no one

1080
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: else other than Saquon is doing that. And yes, you're right.

1081
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: They didn't have a crazy high success rate. It was

1082
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: like forty percent today, which is just average. But he

1083
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: had a sixty two yard run on a three play

1084
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: drive for a touchdown in the first quarter, and Jalen

1085
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: Hurts in the first drive of the game had a

1086
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: forty four yard run. So those those long rushing plays

1087
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: were so massive. They are a big play rushing offense.

1088
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: And it's the combination of Saquon and Jalen Hurts today

1089
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: and the offensive line. They are like a big play

1090
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: offensive line because it can't be perfect every play, but

1091
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: sometimes with those guys when it's all lined up, they

1092
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: had that on that Hurts run, Like my lotta didn't

1093
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: even have anyone to hit. It's just so perfect that

1094
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: it's like a big play. It's like a seventy yard throw.

1095
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Except that's how good this whole offensive line and operation.

1096
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: And that's why it's hard to go specifically carry by

1097
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: carry and be like, oh, they did a good job

1098
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: on this play, right, because it's always there, like the

1099
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: big bat is always there and the ball could leave

1100
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: the park at any time. And I don't know why

1101
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: Derek Henry's the only back that we say like, oh,

1102
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 3: you got to get him early or he's going to

1103
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: be gone, because that applies to twenty six as well.

1104
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: And even when you do make those plays and get

1105
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 3: to him in the backfield, he's so creative in short

1106
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: space because that ability to pull away is always going

1107
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: to be there, and the explosion is separation.

1108
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 5: And it's so glad that the idea that, oh, if.

1109
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: You put a replacement level player in then he's still

1110
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna No, it's not the same. If somebody's going to

1111
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: get the ball twenty six times on the ground, you

1112
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: would like that player to be better than other people.

1113
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: He's better than almost.

1114
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: Everyone, he really is, and he is the number one

1115
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: reason it is interesting to think about the economics of

1116
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: the game with all of this, because it's crazy that

1117
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: he's making less money than Dward's Armstrong, who said a

1118
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: nice season.

1119
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: For the Commanders.

1120
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I didn't want to pick a

1121
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: guy who was like a free agent bus last year.

1122
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: I actually want to pick someone who I think has

1123
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: had a good season for the money that he made.

1124
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: But Armstrong actually got a better deal overall than Saquon

1125
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: did in the offseason, and he's actually lived up to it.

1126
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: So what is Saquon really worth? He's he's really worth

1127
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver one money.

1128
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's It's a clear and easy case.

1129
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: And I think when he and Derrick Henry and Josh

1130
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: Jacobs were having those off season conversations when they all

1131
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: weren't getting the compensation that they were rightfully due, they

1132
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: all knew that ultimately there's nothing they could do for themselves.

1133
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 3: But hopefully in a few years, Jamiir Gibbs, Bjon Robinson,

1134
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty will have opportunities to actually be properly compensated

1135
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: because these guys have proven if you have a difference

1136
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: maker back there again, if you're going to give the

1137
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: ball to a particular person. It makes sense that you

1138
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: should invest well in that particular person if you're giving

1139
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: it to them more than anybody else.

1140
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: All Right, still a lot to get to with this game.

1141
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

1142
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: back in just a minute. Okay, let's talk a little

1143
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: bit about Jalen Hurts, who after the game answered a

1144
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: series of questions about the status of his knee, and

1145
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: the headlines coming out of the press conference were that

1146
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: that he said he's okay to play next week. But

1147
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: that was after three questions, and the final question was

1148
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: whether he's confident he'll play, and he said yeah. Before that,

1149
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: they also asked him about the injury, and he says,

1150
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I was able to finish the game. We'll see how

1151
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: the week goes. They asked, what does that mean your

1152
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: status is uncertain? He said, great question, No, just seeing

1153
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: how the week goes, see how the things will progress.

1154
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: He was limited in this game took in terms of

1155
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: his movement, but they've been pretty limited in terms of

1156
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: their passing game.

1157
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: Even before he had that injury.

1158
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: He was holding onto the ball a lot and taking

1159
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: sacks and not making great decisions. What is your confidence

1160
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: level with their passing attack going forward on potentially like

1161
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: a compromise.

1162
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: Jalen hurds, I'm worried about it.

1163
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 4: He has the average time a third night, it was

1164
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 4: actually only two point eight one seconds, which is way

1165
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: lower than.

1166
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: Usually, but that's because it doesn't count the sacks like

1167
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: those sacks also right, those sack plays, I feel like

1168
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: we're an average of like five seconds for those sacks.

1169
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: And the problem is is he can hang onto the

1170
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: ball and extend the play and make plays when he

1171
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: can move. When he can't move, that all falls apart

1172
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: and breaks down, which puts more of the onus on

1173
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 4: Saquon to rip off a few big plays to keep

1174
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: this offensive float. So that's what I'm concerned about. I

1175
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 4: don't know if I evaluate the passing effectiveness today, you know,

1176
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: with the same by the same scale as some other games,

1177
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: because the conditions were bad and the flow of the

1178
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: game just didn't really call for it necessarily, like if

1179
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: you put him in a dome as he completing more passes.

1180
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 9: AJ Brown. AJ Brown had like two drops.

1181
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: He snapped the streak of a ton of games in

1182
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: which he hadn't gone with a drop, and he had

1183
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 4: a couple of drops so like it was tough to

1184
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: catch the football. So they'll probably be better if the

1185
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 4: you know, conditions are better. But overall, this passing game

1186
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 4: hasn't been great for a while. I shouldn't we none

1187
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: of us should be very surprised by that. It's just

1188
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 4: that we should be more concerned if he can't move

1189
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: and they're gonna go out there and take the same

1190
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 4: approach and oh, by the way, go away from Saquon

1191
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 4: for periods of the game.

1192
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 9: Inexplicably they can't do that. They have to learn from

1193
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 9: this game.

1194
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's just got to get and I know,

1195
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: like you want people to get rid of the ball quicker.

1196
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: But there's moments where we've seen Jalen Hurts make those throws.

1197
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: The safety play it was a delayed route by Dallas

1198
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: Goddard where yeah, pressure gets to him in three seconds,

1199
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: but there was an option to throw the ball from

1200
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: his end zone.

1201
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 5: Right.

1202
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: This isn't like where Lamar was explaining, you know, he

1203
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: gets an RBO. There's nobody in the middle of the field, right,

1204
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: like everybody's running the sideline. He has to make a play. No,

1205
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts had an option there for some reason. He

1206
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: just stared it down. He did that like four or

1207
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: five times today, and it's you don't want to speculate

1208
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: and look back to the concussion a few weeks ago,

1209
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: but there were opportunities for him to get rid of

1210
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 3: the ball where he just didn't.

1211
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen to that play from our friend JB.

1212
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: Long missed this guy.

1213
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 14: Second down in six of eights, thirty five seconds left

1214
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 14: in the third quarter. Play clocket two Hurts calls for

1215
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 14: the snap, Rams coming after with full from his end zone.

1216
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: Pressure's there. They got him.

1217
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 14: It's a safety to bring the Rams within one. Neville

1218
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 14: Gallimore got there first with the flex. The defense does

1219
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 14: it again.

1220
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to JB. Shout out to Neville Gallimore.

1221
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Nice pass rush, nice performance actually down the stretch as

1222
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: it kind of a situational pass rusher for them. But

1223
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: out outstanding point there by Patrick, because I think you

1224
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: got to be able to throw over the middle of

1225
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: the field and throw with anticipation to be a top

1226
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: ten quarterback, to be on QBI.

1227
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: And that's a play where I.

1228
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Think a veteran quarterback knows where his guys are and

1229
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: they throw that pass with anticipation that they know God

1230
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be there, and they get to that read

1231
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: a little quicker, or they throw it before he's out

1232
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: of his break. And there were a lot of There

1233
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: were a lot of plays like that. He took seven

1234
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: sacks in this game, and he just hasn't looked confident

1235
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: with what he's seen. And I don't know what the

1236
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: fault of that is, but it's a big problem. I

1237
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: really think it's gonna be a big problem for them.

1238
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 13: Now.

1239
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: The Commanders are, you know, a different matchup, maybe not

1240
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: as good of a pass rush, but when you look

1241
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: at the numbers, the Rams actually didn't have that many

1242
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: quick pressures on the day, only four, which is under

1243
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: two and a half seconds, which is crazy. And so

1244
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot of it was was Hurt holding the ball.

1245
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: I do like that from what I saw after the game,

1246
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: Hurts was in a celebratory mood, joking a little bit.

1247
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Let you know, maybe it was a little bit of relief.

1248
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: He's always just so serious. I don't know, maybe that

1249
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: speaks to me that maybe he's not as hurt. Hopefully,

1250
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: like he was enjoying the moment. I expected like a

1251
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: dour Jalen Hurts after that performance, and actually he seemed

1252
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: like appropriately enjoying that they just won a playoff game

1253
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: in our one game away from the Super Bowl.

1254
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: Maybe his biggest smile I've seen was the was the

1255
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: cutaway after Sakuon gos On that seventy six yard touchdown

1256
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 3: run with Jalen just beaming. Now, of course things got

1257
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: rife with terror after that when Stafford went into grim

1258
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: reaper mode. But still they're gonna have an opportunity to

1259
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: play next week against the team that it's given them

1260
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: some problem.

1261
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny because it really it wasn't all

1262
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: on Hurts at all. Offensively. They look they got the

1263
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: job done in the end. But you mentioned the Hurts drops.

1264
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: Shook one just killed the drive. It was on maybe

1265
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Hurts his best throw. Actually, both drops that aj Brown

1266
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: had were on very good throws by Hurts. The deep

1267
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: ball where maybe that's on the snow and this was

1268
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: an ultimate snow referendum game. We'll talk about that in

1269
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: a second, but like that was a dime, Like how

1270
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: different is this game if Brown just catches that ball,

1271
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: and I think they would have been up what twenty

1272
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: to seven at the time, maybe going into half up

1273
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: twenty to seven, Like in his numbers would be totally different.

1274
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: It'd be a different game.

1275
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: And actually the second drive of the game, he had

1276
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: a nice anticipatory throw on second down where he did

1277
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of make the read that Patrick and I are

1278
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: asking for and a J.

1279
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: Brown kind of alligator armed it.

1280
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: And then the offensive line, which has been good all year,

1281
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: obviously fell short. In a couple of big moments, Makay

1282
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: Beckton had a mental error on a couple plays, a

1283
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: blown block, a penalty, and then Lane Johnson moves when

1284
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: they're third and inches on the goal line. If Lane

1285
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: Johnson doesn't flinch there, that's another four points. Like, they

1286
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: made a lot of errors that usually get your beat SHOOKI.

1287
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're overlooking them because they had the explosive

1288
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: plays for touchdowns. When Lane Johnson flinched, his like butt

1289
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 4: came up in the air, and I thought he was

1290
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 4: actually trying to like dig his feet in for more

1291
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: leverage on first like view, and then I saw the

1292
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 4: replay and I was like, oh, no, he just fall started.

1293
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: He clearly he fall started so bad that when they

1294
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 4: actually snapped the ball, he didn't move for a half second.

1295
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 9: Then he's like, oh, we are playing to play.

1296
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they made the mistakes like McKai Beckton's illegal man

1297
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 4: downfield wiped out a great screenplay that would have set

1298
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 4: them up for a great scoring opportunity.

1299
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 9: And I came away from those two.

1300
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: Takeaways in the second half where they only got field

1301
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 4: goals out of both of them, I'm like, oh, you're

1302
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 4: gonna regret that. You know, you really should have cashed

1303
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 4: at least one of those in for a touchdown. But

1304
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of this entire game, when you

1305
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: count all those mistakes and everything, you look at it

1306
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: now and you're like, Okay, well, they still won the game.

1307
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 4: They definitely have things to iron out offensively, and the

1308
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 4: matchup next week is very different from this one.

1309
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 9: But luckily they have a week repair.

1310
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: Great teams have multiple ways to win games, and they

1311
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: have a chance to be a great team. And I

1312
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: get I'm glad we talked this through because I think

1313
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: I thought there were the Rams were gonna win after

1314
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: that Pooga catch, just because I've seen so many games

1315
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: like this where the team that in theory should have

1316
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: won makes all the sort of mistakes that the Eagles

1317
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: make and then they end up losing the game. But

1318
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: it didn't happen that way, and that's happened a couple

1319
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: times for the Eagles this year of frankly, like where

1320
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: the defense just kind of bails them out.

1321
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we saw in the in the AFC Divisional

1322
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: game on Sundin, Right, the Eagles made those mistakes and

1323
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: that's how small again those margins can be. Going back

1324
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: to that AJ Brown drop, right, because Jalen goes through

1325
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: his reads perfectly, he holds Cam Curl in the middle

1326
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: of the field.

1327
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 5: Dallas Goddard threatens.

1328
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: Jalen throws a great ball, but you don't you don't

1329
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: execute at the catch point something. Aj Brown is one

1330
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: of the absolute best in the NFL. At Puka had

1331
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: a drop today, you know it's it's.

1332
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the ball was was slick. Okay, let's talk

1333
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: about the weather. I was not a fan of the

1334
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: weather in this game.

1335
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 9: It's spoken like somebody's lived in LA for a long time.

1336
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: No, it's spoken by someone who likes the biggest football

1337
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: games to ultimately be decided. I'm of two minds. I

1338
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: do kind of like it, but this was too far.

1339
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: Like the Bills game, it didn't feel like it affected

1340
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: as much. Although there were some slippery pass Like some

1341
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: of the biggest players in this game, Matthew Stafford just

1342
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: drops the ball while handing it off. We're getting drop

1343
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: after drop by AJ Brown and Puka Nakua in big situations.

1344
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: Stafford the ball seemed to slip out of his hands.

1345
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we know this guy's built for it, he's

1346
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: played well in Elements before, but it's just the ball slippery,

1347
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: like Hurts Missus one of his throws by like twenty feet,

1348
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: even that last throw by Stafford, Like, I don't even know,

1349
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to. I think that the elements

1350
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: had this big of a factor. Before I get your

1351
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, let's listen to Sean McVay after the

1352
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: game talking about the elements.

1353
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: I think you saw.

1354
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 15: I mean, there was some times where some uncharacteristic things

1355
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 15: just in terms of the ball handling. You know, we

1356
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 15: had two turnovers that probably don't necessarily occur in different elements,

1357
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 15: a couple drops you could see, you know, when Sakuon

1358
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 15: got to the second level, similar to the first game,

1359
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 15: but there was some different layers that we did have

1360
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 15: in our defense. He was able to pull away, but

1361
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 15: you know, they had to play in it too.

1362
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: We had to play in it.

1363
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 15: We had every opportunity to be able to win that

1364
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 15: game at the end there, Sarah, And we're a couple

1365
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 15: of plays away from me being a lot happier right now.

1366
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: Good perspective, Schuck, What do you think about the whole

1367
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: weather the weather discussion.

1368
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 4: I'm a throwback and I as a former offensive lineman.

1369
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 4: It loves the run block, I love the elements. Baby,

1370
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 4: let's muck it up, Let's make it dirty, Let's make

1371
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: it nasty. Let's go winn the trenches. But and by

1372
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 4: the way, Landon Dickerson had an awesome game today. He

1373
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 4: was throwing pancakes left and right, just second guys into

1374
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 4: the snow. It was the beauty in the essence of

1375
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 4: football at its core. But I also thought it was

1376
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 4: an interesting test of a kicker in Jake Elliot, who's

1377
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: been very up and down this season, very inconsistent. Miss

1378
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 4: is an extra point earlier before the elements really set in,

1379
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 4: and then they're clearing snow for him, Like it's Adam

1380
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 4: Vinati against the Raiders in the playoffs in two thousand

1381
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: and one, just for him to make a kick and

1382
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 4: he drills two clutch kicks and snow so I think

1383
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: it's a test of both sides of the game. You know.

1384
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: I think that you can find greatness in guys who

1385
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: are able to overcome it. It's also a convenient excuse

1386
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 4: when guys drop passes. But I think it is the ultimate.

1387
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: It levels the playing field. I think sometimes it levels it.

1388
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: I agree it does probably level it because it just

1389
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: adds more randomness and luck to the proceedings. But I'm

1390
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned Jake Elliott coming up big in a

1391
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: big spot. Justin Tucker hit a big kick in a

1392
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: big spot in a tough situation. So shout out to

1393
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: some great kickers over the years who had bad years

1394
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: who stepped up in the playoffs. Your thoughts, Patrick, Let

1395
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: me let me just give you a Josh Sweat quote

1396
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: where I do that.

1397
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: This was Josh.

1398
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: Sweat's comment on on the field in this situation. He said,

1399
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: y'all just see me cleaning my damn clee every step.

1400
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather play on that Brazil field again before playing

1401
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: on that again. That field was ass.

1402
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 5: Thank you, Jefs. Sweat.

1403
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: That's your own crew like that, that's your own you know,

1404
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: field management team, our grounds crew.

1405
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: What can they do?

1406
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 5: Wait?

1407
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: It also was going from like hail to wintry mix

1408
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: to heavier snow.

1409
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 4: It just was.

1410
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: It was a lot to deal with.

1411
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nasty, and I've said it where we've had

1412
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: some quick quick change, like playoff postseason college football games

1413
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: at State Farm Stadium where they get a new field

1414
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: in there. I saw Oregon and Auburn play where Cam

1415
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: Newton had that Heisman season where he could do anything.

1416
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: They were playing in mud. I was down there shooting

1417
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 3: the game. It was like six inches of mud. It

1418
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: didn't add to the at all. And I understand if

1419
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: folks like the elements, they like it aesthetically. The only

1420
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: beef that I have is is the idea that like

1421
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 3: because I liked the game between the Lions and the

1422
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 3: Commanders and they determined it on the field right, that

1423
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 3: like the air conditioner didn't fall on anybody and I

1424
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: could see the whole game. It doesn't make me less tough,

1425
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: right or whatever. I like to see people have full

1426
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: use of all ten of their fingers. I don't want

1427
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: to see Saquon running to the sideline because he took

1428
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 3: a helmet straight to the bone in cold weather and

1429
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 3: I'm sure it sent like shockwaves through his entire body.

1430
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: I just I would like to see guys being able

1431
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: to execute. And it's frustrating to watch an entire season

1432
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: of football and guys managing injuries and all of this,

1433
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 3: and then it kind of come down to randomness, which

1434
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 3: is always going to be play.

1435
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 5: I would just prefer not to have, and.

1436
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: It's adding a different X factor that isn't always there

1437
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. And my thing is people

1438
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: like to say, well, that's football weather. It's football weather,

1439
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: all right, show me all your five star recruits that

1440
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: are coming out of Buffalo and Massachusetts. No football is

1441
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: played at the highest of levels in Texas and Louisiana

1442
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: and Florida. And I know you got some people out

1443
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: there at Ohio, Shookie, it's football weather there. But if

1444
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: you're just counting up the numbers between the warm weather

1445
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: states California, all of them like the best football and

1446
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: the best football players are coming from where the weather

1447
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: is better because it's more favorable to football.

1448
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 5: The states devote more resources to football there.

1449
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 9: You go there, you go to the higher population, more

1450
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 9: tax dollars.

1451
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: Nobody, nobody's, nobody's getting magical powers due to their place

1452
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 3: of birth.

1453
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: Okay, let's call you.

1454
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: What California quarterback that won for the Buffalo Bills today

1455
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 3: didn't acquire snow powers there?

1456
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: Okay, you win point for point for Patrick the dome.

1457
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: My point is, it's football weather and flo it's football

1458
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: weather at Georgia, it's football weather in Louisiana. It's football

1459
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: whether anywhere that football is playing. Not more football weather

1460
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: where it's cold. When you can't tell me, oh wait,

1461
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: you know what football weather in Texas. Okay, let's get

1462
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 1: the opposite of this.

1463
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 4: How do you feel about it when it's one hundred

1464
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: degrees out and players are roasting in the sun in

1465
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 4: Miami in September?

1466
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 9: Because that's also the elements on the opposite.

1467
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't love that either. I don't want

1468
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: but there's not a lot of that. There's not a

1469
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: lot of that.

1470
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing is all those teams, for the most part,

1471
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: are played in domes other than Miami.

1472
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1473
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 3: I will take seventy two with a breeze coming from

1474
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: the Vince. I'll take that all day if that makes me,

1475
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 3: you know, whatever, that's me.

1476
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 5: I'll watch it.

1477
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 9: Optimal condition.

1478
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought it.

1479
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, optical condition because it doesn't have to be about

1480
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: the weather. There will be Eagles fans and players that

1481
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: will hold till their deathbed that they lost that Super

1482
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: Bowl to the Chiefs in part because the field. You

1483
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: know what, you know, both teams, both teams had to

1484
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: play on it, and so that it was in bad weather.

1485
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: But that was bad conditions, and I just don't like

1486
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: the conditions having such an impact. And those conditions I

1487
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: think had an impact in the Eagles Chiefs. It hurt

1488
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: the Chiefs pass rush too. It's not like it just

1489
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: hurt the Eagles. That's all I mean is I want

1490
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: it to be decided by the excellence.

1491
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 2: Of the player.

1492
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 3: I think back to the Broncos Panther Super Bowl right

1493
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: where you have tackles sliding six seven feet. It's easier

1494
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: for people to under understand when it's the field conditions,

1495
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 3: because I don't think anybody likes that. And so if

1496
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 3: you could take that, if you disagree with me and

1497
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 3: Greg about snow and extrapolate that to the whole kind

1498
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 3: of dome aspect of the game, like totally, I think

1499
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 3: you start to understand where we're coming from.

1500
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so before we move on, we're not going to

1501
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: preview next week. But I do just want to have

1502
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: a little thought on these teams that lost today. What

1503
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: do you think Ravens wise is their biggest off season.

1504
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: Push? Like question worry. It's funny.

1505
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: They are a team that always feels like they're in

1506
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: pretty good cheap But what do you think.

1507
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: The offensive line got better as the year went on?

1508
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 3: People thought Zach Orr was a mistake. Since Week eleven,

1509
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 3: they have the best defense in football. As long as

1510
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 3: eight is upright, you're gonna have an opportunity and they

1511
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 3: can get better at corner. They can get some more

1512
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: depth at receiver where everything isn't relying on Rashad Bateman.

1513
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 5: You know you mentioned Cooper Cup. You know Coop what's up?

1514
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: That is such a that would be such a Ravens

1515
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: signing if the Rams do cut them in. Yeah, that's

1516
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: a good segue. I think it's fair to say the

1517
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: following Rams are not guaranteed to be back. Oh, Cooper

1518
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: Cup be a little surprising if he was back. Tyler Haigbee,

1519
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: Rob Havenstein because of the contract, and then Matthew Stafford.

1520
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: Let's actually listen to Stafford after the game. Believe this

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: question came from our very own Jordan Rodrieg.

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Speaker 16: To get to this point. You know, anytime you play

1523
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 16: like this and get into the playoffs and get a

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 16: win and keep it moving, you know, it's anytime you

1525
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 16: come up short, it's it's it's even tougher, you know.

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Speaker 16: And so that's that's difficult, but so proud to be

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01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 16: associated with this group. And you know, as far as

1528
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 16: my future goes, I mean, it's thirty minutes after the

1529
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 16: last game, so I'll take some time to think about it.

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01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 16: But I feel like I was playing some pretty good ball.

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01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: You got football left in you?

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 16: Sure feels like it.

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: Mmm.

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01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty close to definitive on whether Matthew

1535
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: Stafford will be playing football again.

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 2: Shook. I happen to listen to the post game. JB.

1537
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Long did such a good job wrapping up this Rams season.

1538
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: The Rams are really lucky to have him. And then

1539
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: they threw to kind of more like the local postgame

1540
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: show that's not officially from the team or anything, and

1541
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: they're talking about Stafford as if most slightly him and

1542
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: Cup are gone, And.

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, are you sure you want to do that? Rams?

1544
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: Are you sure? I don't know?

1545
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing is, what's your backup plan? Is,

1546
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo your backup plans? Like, are you gonna get

1547
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 4: in the market when it's what I'm saying, like, they

1548
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 4: don't have a clear succession plan here because that guy

1549
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 4: doesn't exist on that roster. So in the name of

1550
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 4: salary cap and the way the contract is structured, you're

1551
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 4: just gonna part with him when he's still playing football

1552
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 4: good enough to nearly lead you back to a divisional

1553
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 4: round win on the road in the snow. Like it

1554
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 4: just feels like it's a little too business minded for

1555
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 4: me without considering the football aspect of it. And also,

1556
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 4: if he became a free agent, I could count five

1557
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 4: or six teams right now that would be like, let's

1558
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 4: go sign him immediately, like fly him in. He's our

1559
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 4: guy for the next two to three years because he

1560
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: can still play football. Well, yeah, he was up and down.

1561
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 4: We've talked about this at length. He's been the hardest

1562
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: quarterback to pin down this year. Very volatile in performance,

1563
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 4: but when the lights shine the brightest, he came through

1564
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 4: in two games. Yeah, he lost one of them, but

1565
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 4: he's still played much like the stafford we knew and

1566
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: I think that's worth something when he still has a

1567
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 4: desire to play football.

1568
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: Yes, and as Chris Rose and Daniel Jeremiah walk by

1569
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: after doing the NFL Network show, that's a sign that

1570
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: we should be almost done.

1571
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: We've been honking for a while.

1572
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: I think that's well said, and I think it's important

1573
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: for them to realize they have one of the best

1574
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: young cores in the NFL, especially if they can have

1575
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: another good draft. They've had two great drafts in a

1576
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: row that's really helped their lines. Pukainakua a true number one,

1577
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: still on a rookie contract, So it can kind of

1578
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: flip in reverse that you want to take advantage of

1579
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: all these great young players on a rookie contract, and

1580
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: you don't want to waste a year with a unless

1581
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: you really love a Sam Darnold or like a third

1582
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: round pick or maybe a first round pick. We'll see

1583
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: the way they structured Stafford's contract, you know, they would

1584
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: save a lot by post June first cutting him, and

1585
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: they would absolutely find a trade market which is much

1586
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: more likely, and save like a little bit of money

1587
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: by tradium, and then they could use that to refill

1588
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: the position.

1589
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but why right, Why not draft.

1590
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: Why do all that, all those machinations when you have

1591
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: that young core that you talked about where you'll be like, oh,

1592
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 3: we're a quarterback away, why why send them out of

1593
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: the door?

1594
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1595
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 4: I would, And how far back, how far removed on

1596
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 4: me from the whole talk of Sean McVay walking away

1597
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 4: to a broadcast job, like he still win now while

1598
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 4: he's here?

1599
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, fair, that's a that's a good point.

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01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: He seems very in it, as they would like to

1601
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: say where their feet are, and he seems very motivated.

1602
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: And that's not a question for them, but that's a

1603
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: great point, Like why not try to win it? You

1604
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: better have a good plan if you thought you're going

1605
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: to get rid of him. I came into the season

1606
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: thinking kind of like, all right, well that's just a

1607
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: tea to be continued, Like decide based on the evidence

1608
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: that you get during the season. And I think based

1609
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: on that evidence, I would keep Matthew Stafford and start

1610
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks, either in the first or the second or

1611
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: even the third.

1612
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: Just give it a shot to use one of those picks.

1613
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: Do something a pleasure guys on this day.

1614
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: Some other news out there, Sam Cosmi, the Pro Bowl,

1615
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: guard for the Commanders is out for the season. You know,

1616
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: that's something to keep in mind as we look ahead

1617
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game. Unfortunately suffered a torn a

1618
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: cl Jeff Ulbrick of Jets interim head coaching fames he's

1619
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: freet No, he's well, he's not free.

1620
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 5: He got a job, That's what I'm saying. He's out.

1621
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: Yes, he got the Falcons defensive coordinator job. So the

1622
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: wheel keeps turning. Our wheel will continue on Tuesday when

1623
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: we get Jordan Rodrieg back in the studio with Colling Wolf.

1624
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: But you two, the these Sunday nights have been a

1625
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: treat and we have we have one more to get

1626
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: to before the Super Bowl. Fun Sunday, fun weekend. I

1627
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: think the divisional round you delivered in a way that

1628
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: the old card round for me did not.

1629
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, we reached the end of the road.

1630
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: When there's only three games left in this NFL season,

1631
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: you know football is back.