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Speaker 1: You know, Sam, every year spent three years in a row.

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Speaker 1: It is good to see you, buddy. But before we

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Speaker 2: they're on twenty five percent maxes next year. Right if

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Speaker 2: there's no way Isaiah Hartenstein can make thirty million within

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Speaker 2: be guys that aren't dogs, right, Like, they can become

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Speaker 1: This is something you and I've been preaching about forever,

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Speaker 1: just the competitiveness, because I would argue the competitiveness and

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Speaker 1: and he was talking about how like you constantly are

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Speaker 1: wondering if you're good enough, and I was like, as

431
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Speaker 1: soon as I heard him saying that, I'm like, this

432
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: is the type of dude that I want to go

433
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: to war with. This is the type of dude that

434
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: I want to have in my corner, the type of

435
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: dude that, like, even when he's killing it, even when

436
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: he's achieving his goals, he's being eaten at in the

437
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: back of his brain that he might not be doing enough,

438
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: that he might not be as good as he's capable

439
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: of being, because, like I know, it comes with downsides,

440
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of anxiety. And you know, people

441
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: who are wired that way can have bad days in

442
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: different ways. You know, it's hard for you to find

443
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: the fun and things sometimes.

444
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm wired that way, so, like, I get it

445
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: totally whenever I hear Jadab say that stuff, so I

446
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: completely understand.

447
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: It exactly and like, and it's one of those things

448
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: where when I when I heard that, I was like,

449
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, man, Like, I just love this kid,

450
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, Like, and he's he to me, has been

451
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Speaker 1: the most likable Thunder player for me to watch in

452
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: this playoff run. I find his game to be very

453
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: aesthetically appealing. I love his competitiveness, I love his energy,

454
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: and and like, I think he's just a great example

455
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, and in terms of finding

456
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: those sorts of guys there's a there's a kind of

457
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: guy out there that like when things get tough and

458
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: things get really intense, their eyes almost gloss over and

459
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: they become they become kind of like weirdly timid, mainly

460
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: just because like there it's just it's just a it's

461
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: a psychology thing. I'm not sure what it is, but

462
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: I like dudes that are just like that are obsessed

463
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: with the competition, that are obsessed with self improvement, that

464
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: are obsessed with that sort of element. And this is

465
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Speaker 1: a perfect example or of perfect time. First, a pivot

466
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Speaker 1: over to the draft. I I want to start with

467
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Speaker 1: this idea of your kind of like adjustments as an evaluator.

468
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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I thought was fascinating

469
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Speaker 1: in your uh, in your top six And by the way,

470
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Speaker 1: that for everyone who's listening again, like the finals just

471
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Speaker 1: ended the other day.

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Speaker 2: UH.

473
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Speaker 1: Sam has been covering the draft all year long. He

474
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Speaker 1: does such an incredible job. My goal with this is

475
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Speaker 1: not to get to every single player in the draft.

476
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: We're just going to hit the top six guys. This

477
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: is where Sam has kind of drawn a line of

478
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: delineation between them and it's high level starters in below.

479
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Speaker 1: I believe. And for the most part, what I want

480
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: you guys to do is if you have more intrigue

481
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: about the draft, if you guys want to learn more

482
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: about the draft all of Jackson put a link to

483
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: it in the description of this video, But go read

484
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: Sam's Draft guide. It's incredible. It's like two hundred damn pages.

485
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much work you guys put into it.

486
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: All that background information is there. You learn about the players' families,

487
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: you learn about their upbringings, you learn about the way

488
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: that they succeeded at lower levels, incredible detail on strengths

489
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Speaker 1: and weaknesses. I'm just going to be giving you guys

490
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Speaker 1: my two cents on some film that I watched today.

491
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Speaker 1: Sam has been just doing such an incredible work, so

492
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure you guys get over there

493
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: and support the guide as much as you can. But Sam,

494
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Speaker 1: before we get into the actual players, I thought it

495
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Speaker 1: was interesting you've got a lot of like movement shooters

496
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Speaker 1: in your top six if that was fascinating, and then

497
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: this concept of dribbleshoot, passing, and defending. Just talk to

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Speaker 1: us about how your like outlook on the draft has

499
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Speaker 1: changed in recent years and how that colored your approach

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so somewhat It's applicable to what we're talking about

502
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Right, So I I like

503
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: guys that are physically strong enough and that are like

504
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: wild competitors and are incredibly like you know, mentally tough.

505
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: So like a good example of this is Trey Johnson. Right.

506
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Speaker 2: It actually took me meeting Trey Johnson and like watching

507
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Speaker 2: him work out to understand because if you watch Trey Johnson, Like,

508
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Speaker 2: what was your immediate take of Trey Johnson when you

509
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: watched his game?

510
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Unbelievable scoring potential, but he's he's moving just a little

511
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Speaker 1: too fast right now, Like he just needs the game

512
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: to slow down a little bit. Yeah, that was the

513
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Speaker 1: main thing that set out.

514
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: A little bit of that for sure. Also, just like

515
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: the physicality, Like he's not overly physical right now, right,

516
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: you know it doesn't necessarily I've in straight lines to

517
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: the rim because he just like kind of can't hold

518
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: his ground, right. But then you watch him work out,

519
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: Like I watched this dude workout, Jason. I swear to god,

520
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: it was the most impressive shooting workout I've ever seen

521
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: from a teenager. He sprinted for an hour, knockdown shots

522
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: off of all sorts of like different complicated actions, the

523
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: stamina to be able to run for this long, the

524
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: ability to be able to knock down shots at this level.

525
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: And then I go up to him after I literally say,

526
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Speaker 2: Trey that that was one of the most impressive workouts

527
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Speaker 2: I've ever seen from a teenager as a shooter, and

528
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, like, congrats, like that was awesome, right,

529
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Speaker 2: And he goes, thank you, Like I appreciate that so much. Honestly,

530
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Speaker 2: I shot better yesterday. And I walk over to his

531
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Speaker 2: trader and he goes he goes, yeah, he shot better yesterday,

532
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, Like that's pretty ridiculous. So

533
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: the thing that you learn about Trey Johnson though, when

534
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: you do the intel, is like this dude's like a

535
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 2: competitor and like a dog, and like he wants it.

536
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: He wants to be great in a significant way. He

537
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: really wants like he will do whatever it takes to

538
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: be great at basketball. I think that he'll problem solve

539
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: it in the way that he has to problem solve

540
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: it in order to become a real Like, dude, there's

541
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: a basketball player at the end of the day, So

542
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: like with him, you know, doesn't probably the player I

543
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: guess that. I mean outside of Ace maybe, but like

544
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: a player that doesn't totally fit on like the face

545
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: of what we talked about in the last section of

546
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: certain things. But then you get to understand who the

547
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: human is and you're like, oh no, I'm just betting

548
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: on this dude, you know what I mean, Like he'll

549
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: figure it out at the end.

550
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Speaker 1: Of the day.

551
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: He like he's an elite shooter. I saw a video

552
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: of him, so it was I think it was Shots.

553
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: There's a second workout of the day and they track

554
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: all of the shots that a guy takes pre draft

555
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: right with I forget what the app is. Sorry, I'm

556
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: not shouting it out. One of my my friends who's

557
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: his trainer is literally just yelling that I can't remember

558
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Speaker 2: the name of this app. It was Shots. I think

559
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: like seventeen fifty to seventeen eighty of the day, or

560
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: maybe make like seventeen fifty to seventeen eighty of the day.

561
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: Every single shot that Trey Johnson took, they have the

562
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: arc like behind the ball right, like it's a golf shot,

563
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: like a tracer right. Every single shot had the same

564
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: exact arc every single time on shot seventeen fifty to

565
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty. It was like rhythmic and like weirdly soothing

566
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: and calming, kind of like do you don't understand what

567
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like just watching it?

568
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh it again. I found watching him so much fun

569
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: to watch compared to Ace Bailey, just in terms of

570
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the shot mechanics. The shot mechanics are so so so

571
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: beautiful with him, he was my favorite player I watched

572
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Speaker 1: itzz I'm excited.

573
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I really like Trey a lot. I kind

574
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Speaker 2: of regret there's a man I think that I probably

575
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: should have him ahead of five honestly, Like the more

576
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: that I just do this, the more I buy. But regardless,

577
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: I digress in terms.

578
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Of that imposter syndrome.

579
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time ever happens. I'm constantly tinkering, constantly

580
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's right, what's wrong. As long

581
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: as I get them in the right tiers, I feel okay.

582
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

583
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: So to answer your question basically, in terms of like

584
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: the way that I've changed this, I care a lot

585
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: more about the things that I kind of mentioned, right, Like,

586
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: I care a lot more about are you physically capable

587
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: of dealing with NBA. You know, physicality, I guess is

588
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: the way to put it. Are you capable of handling

589
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: what's going to come your way mentally? Are you capable

590
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: of being able to dribble, past shoot and process the

591
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: game at a high level? Right? Uh? Are you going

592
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: to be able to map the court defensively and understand

593
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: where you need to go? There? Like that? There's so

594
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: much more that goes into this and just like you

595
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: know that boy, nice basketball whenever it comes to the NBA,

596
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: Like this stuff is hard, right, It's why I like, honestly,

597
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I I have a lot of questions about Derek Queen.

598
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: I know you haven't gotten to him yet, but like

599
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, I have questions about him as a shooter.

600
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: I have questions about him as a defender. But I

601
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: kind of think that he's just physically capable and is

602
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: a total ass kicker at Maryland And he's six' nine

603
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: with a seven to one wingspan and can you, know

604
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: get to his spots on some level and just grew

605
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: up Play he's like one of those kids that grew

606
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: up playing basketball against guys older than, him and because of,

607
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: that he just has this ability to get to where

608
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: he has to get to. Right he understands what it.

609
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: Takes SO i you, know it's a it's a tricky,

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Speaker 2: question but basically everything we talked about in the last

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Speaker 2: section With Oklahom, city With, indiana you, know even With,

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Speaker 2: HOUSTON i think fits into. This getting guys who can

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00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: dribble past shoot high level processing. Ability, yeah that's kind

614
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: of the move for. ME i want those guys on my.

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Team so explain two more quick ones and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get into the. Players explain to everyone why you said

617
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Speaker 1: in your, draft in Your draft guide infro that you

618
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: were lower than the content consensus after the top. Two

619
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: what do you think led you to that? Belief was

620
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: there something specific or was it just naturally how you

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Speaker 1: landed on each.

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: INDIVIDUAL i think that some people see star power in this,

623
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Speaker 2: Group LIKE i think that some people, think, like, Oh Trey,

624
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: johnson like he might be like a twenty eight per

625
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: point per game. Scorer Ace bailey is obviously a guy

626
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: that people see a lot of upside in THAT i

627
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: am skeptical on for a few. Reasons you, KNOW i

628
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: think people see real upside IN. Vj edgecombe right to

629
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: be like a potential star in THE. NBA i think

630
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: those guys are all going to be like good starters

631
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: is Where i'm, At Like i'm NOT i like. THEM

632
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: i like them as. PLAYERS i think they're gonna be solid.

633
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: PLAYERS i think they're all going to make like nine

634
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: figure in THE nba and be super successful in THE.

635
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: NBA i still know THAT i see, real like high

636
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: level star outcomes for those guys, necessarily AND i think

637
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: that might be WHERE i differ from consensus with this.

638
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: Group and that's like, again LIKE i think they're all

639
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: gonna be really really good, players AND i think like

640
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: there are a number of players below, this Like Cedric,

641
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Coward Colin, Murray, Boyles Carter, Bryant common Mala Watch like

642
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: Mala watch is another one THAT i think people see, like,

643
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: oh like he might be like a real all defense

644
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: guy who can step out and shoot it Like Miles

645
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: turner maybe at some point and can do, this that

646
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: and the other. Thing And i'm just, like, No, LIKE

647
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: i see a really solid starting center here who's almost

648
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: certainly positioned position locked in the center, position definitely a

649
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: drop coverage big will be okay when he gets caught

650
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: on an island, switching like not gonna be a monster

651
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: at That, necessarily you're not gonna go into a game

652
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: scheming that he's gonna, switch you know WHAT i. Mean,

653
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: so and he's gonna be a good. PLAYER i think

654
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like a, valable starting caliber center in THE. Nba, Basically,

655
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: YEAH i think that might be WHERE i differ on

656
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: this group is BASICALLY i see a little bit less

657
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: star power than people, do but do see some real

658
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: potential for high end starters in the.

659
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: Class that makes. Sense and the guys you're, mentioning they

660
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: they all do have those. Flashes it's Just i'm with.

661
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: YOU i TEND i tend to lean more towards the

662
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: other side with those specific two. Guys the second. Round

663
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: this has been something THAT i think has been. Interesting,

664
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: yeah kind of in the building for a. While but

665
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: obviously nil convincing players to return leads to a weaker draft.

666
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Pool that's simple mathematics, problem, Right but as this even

667
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: beyond the, draft LIKE i would imagine this is affecting trade,

668
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: negotiations like what five second round picks going To phoenix

669
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: in THAT kd? Deal how? Value how valuable is the

670
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: second round? Pick? Now these, days with all the players staying.

671
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: In potentially quite a bit. LOWER i would tell, You,

672
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: jason this is a this is a week second. ROUND

673
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: i have fewer like full guarantee grades Than i've ever,

674
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: had and it might get worse next. Year like obviously

675
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: everything is getting settled with The house, settlement with college

676
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: basketball and like THE nil, space and you, know supposedly

677
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: THE sec schools are going to have way less to

678
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: spend than The Big east. SCHOOLS i, mean look like

679
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: we can have an adult conversation about. This if anybody

680
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: thinks that schools in THE sec are going to spend

681
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: less than The Big east, Schools i'm just gonna be

682
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: skeptical of that until it. Happens, Right, like we can

683
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: all say that these schools have twenty million dollars to

684
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: spend on football and basketball, programs and some teams probably

685
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: want to spend a little bit on women's basketball. Too

686
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: i'm skeptical that they're not going to get a little

687
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: bit more money in there to be able to get

688
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: these kids into school and be able to get these kids.

689
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: Go so, LOOK i look at it that. Way if

690
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: you want to, say, like oh, yeah like The House

691
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: settlement's gonna force some of these kids come out again next.

692
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: Year totally understand that. Perspective we'll see what. Happens it's

693
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: gonna be something that bears itself out over the next.

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Year BUT i, mean, like this is a very weak.

695
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 2: POOL i have thirty six guarantee guys and next, Year

696
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: like you have to think about it this, Way, jason

697
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: there are a lot of players in this pool that

698
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: got an extra year from the from THE covid, year, Right,

699
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: yeah like freshman in twenty twenty twenty, one there are

700
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: still a number of these guys that got the EXTRA covid. Year,

701
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: BASICALLY i think everybody on my board ranked from forty

702
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: three With Bryce, Williams, Chaslnier, Brooks, barnheiser, Micahpv Max, Schulga

703
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: Kobe bray of Lad golden so forty three to fifty,

704
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: one every player got an EXTRA covid, year, Right so

705
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: those players are now gone from. College now it's only

706
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: going to be like the four year seniors that are

707
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: going to be in in the second. ROUND i only

708
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: HAVE i think, one no two four year seniors right.

709
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: NOW i Have Hunter sallas AND i have who was?

710
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: It it was Just Cam jones At. Marquette that's that's.

711
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: It like you'd be bumping all these other guys up

712
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: a level Like Jami. MAYSHACK i Love Jami mayshack is

713
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the. CLASS i think

714
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: that you might be able to make a case he's

715
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: one of the twenty best perimeter defenders on Planet earth right,

716
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: Now LIKE i think he is that good on. Defense

717
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: he can't offense like he, is like the easiest way

718
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: to phrase it is he can't offense right. Now unbelievable,

719
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: competitor unbelievable leader At, Tennessee like just doesn't really have

720
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 2: that skill at this, point not a. Shooter doesn't seem

721
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: super comfortable handling the. BALL i don't know how he's

722
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: gonna score comfortable passing for. Sure, YEAH i think he's

723
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: below Where Ryan dunn was as an offensive, player for.

724
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: Sure but that, guy like next, year if he was

725
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: in the class and we get a similar number of

726
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: kids that, enter he'd be damn near like thirty eight

727
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 2: on my, board like a top forty guy that would

728
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: be like almost expected to get a guarantee, contract like

729
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: a full roster spot on a. Team so, YEAH i,

730
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: Mean nil has really obliterated the second, round and it's

731
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: possible that the house settlement really changes the paradigm a

732
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: little bit here and forces some of these kids out

733
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: again next, year and thus would make the second round,

734
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: picks to answer your original, question more valuable again into the.

735
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Future and IF i was a team that was moving

736
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: second round picks, around, RIGHT i would want picks that

737
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: are like a little bit further out into the future

738
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: in order to like make the, bet you know WHAT i.

739
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Mean but, yeah that's kind of Where i'm at on.

740
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: It i'd like a little bit of.

741
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: It it's super, interesting AND i think it'll change a

742
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: little bit with each with each passing, year as like

743
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: different kind of situations surrounding both the league and like

744
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: what like expansion could have an effect on that if

745
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: that took place at some point in the next couple of.

746
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Years there's you, know we can see continuing changes in

747
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: terms of how much money goes to g. Leaguers, like

748
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: there's so many things that could change over the. Years

749
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: But i've found this whole dynamic about our pipeline to

750
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: THE nba to be very. Fascinating but let's get to

751
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: our top six. Guys sam number one, Obviously Cooper fly

752
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: going to The Dallas, mavericks almost. Certainly you said that

753
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: this is the second highest grade in Your draft guide

754
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: in the last, decade Behind Victor Weiman. Yama explain for

755
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: everybody why you're so high On cooper.

756
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Fly, yeah he's just the safest player really That i've a.

757
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: Value he's even safer Than victor on sub level Because

758
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: victor had dealt with injuries. Previously but like speaking to

759
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: the competitiveness, aspect like the, toughness the, physicality the willingness

760
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: to like fight and scratch and claw for every, inch

761
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Like Cooper flagg just completely changed the entire program At

762
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: duke through his presence as a freshman who is LIKE

763
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: i think seventeen when he got, There like he completely

764
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: changed everything that they. Did you hear AT Usa basketball

765
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: last summer in The select, Camp like he went there

766
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: and it was like totally, fearless had no, issues was completely.

767
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: Comfortable it was one of the better players on the

768
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: select team last year of guys that are in THE

769
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: nba and presumably should be starring in THE, nba even

770
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: though they might not be quite there. Yet, Right so

771
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: there's a there's gonna be no fear with him entering THE.

772
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: Nba he is an incredible. Defender his positional defense is.

773
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: Unbelievable he has some stuff with like high HIPS i

774
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: think where he'll you, know not even high, hips just

775
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: like a little bit stiffness through his, hips maybe where

776
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: he will get beaten a little bit more often on

777
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: the ball than WHAT i think people. Expect but he's

778
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: really good at leading his man into the help even

779
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: when he does get beaten off the, ball and his

780
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: recovery ability is. Awesome he gives consistent second and third.

781
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: Efforts he just completely understands how to process the, game

782
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: how to map the. Court he's going to be a

783
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: real defensive. Playmaker, offensively he developed into a serious mismatch

784
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: threat who became an awesome shot. Maker this year reminds

785
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: me like a little bit of the way That Pascal

786
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: siakam gets it done, right where he, is, yes very

787
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: capable of getting a smaller guy on a switch and

788
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: just beating them to the rim, right like he will

789
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: be able to just like use his athleticism in burst

790
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: to be able to get all the way to the.

791
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: Basket he's like six' eight with a seven to, one

792
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: wingspan like there are no. Issues there then there are

793
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: also moments where he is just he's gonna find like

794
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: eight to ten points a game by cutting an establishing position,

795
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: that way or just getting a backdoor cut to the rim,

796
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: and scoring getting out, in transition running, the court leading,

797
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: the break or just like filling lanes or offensive rebounding

798
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: and being able to crash the glass consistently and find points.

799
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: That way it's like the best dirty work player in

800
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 2: the class kind of while also being this real mismatch

801
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: threat who can break you down off, the dribble get

802
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: to a step, back jumper get to a, turnaround jumper

803
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: make them going to both his right and to. His

804
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: left he's a. Ridiculous player he's a completely absurd. Basketball

805
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: player for somebody to be eighteen years old and have

806
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: this kind of a complete basketball game. Is absurd it's.

807
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: Completely ridiculous it does, not. Happen guys i'm, telling you

808
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: it does not happen where guys are this complete when.

809
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: THEY'RE young i think that this is like A real

810
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: this is going to be like a top five guy

811
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: in the league at some point in terms of like.

812
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: Impacting winning some people will complain about the questions, he

813
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: has like being able to separate from, his MAN but

814
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: i think he might just develop into such a good

815
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: shooter because he's such a good worker that it's not.

816
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Gonna matter like he's gonna shoot over the top of

817
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: these guys and it's gonna. BE fine.

818
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: I think That's the tatum comp that you keep seeing

819
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: thrown around is like this idea of a guy who

820
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: is incredibly versatile that does literally everything well at every

821
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: level of both sides of. The Ball but tatum has

822
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: this tendency to struggle to get leverage against the peak

823
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: defenders in the. LEAGUE downhill i love that you Brought

824
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: up siakam because, to me that is the big Difference

825
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: between Cooper. And tatum tatum loves taking. Jump shots and

826
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: it's not just a it's not just a getting. Separation

827
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: thing it's not just a first. Step Thing like tatum

828
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: has a pretty jump shot and he loves, taking it

829
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: and it's just like part of like his. Basketball character

830
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: he loves to take. Jump shots cooper has that downhill.

831
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Attacking attitude it's it literally looks like he's playing on

832
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: a slant downhill towards. The room you can tell that's

833
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: part of his approach on a possession to possession basis that,

834
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: to me he is the quintessential example of everything you

835
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: mentioned off the top of the show today in terms, of, dribble, shoot.

836
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Pass defend he is that at, six' ten he is

837
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: that at this level of athleticism that you don't see

838
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: too often. With his size. He is that but like

839
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: everything isn't, just you know we talk about. The role,

840
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: players you know we're GONNA. Talk about vj edgecom and

841
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: what he might be able to become as like a, role, player,

842
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: dribble shoot pass defend Kind of guy. Cooper does it

843
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: but like everything's an as are better already and it's

844
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: only going to continue to get better as team as.

845
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: As THINGS expand like i loved your breakdown and your

846
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: guide about kind of like people don't realize, because You

847
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: know at duke it wasn't, quite the same but he

848
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: was an incredible defensive, play before college like a like

849
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: a legitimate like five stocks against going it would just Put,

850
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: up absurd.

851
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah like truly historic defensive playmaker before he. Got to

852
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: college like there's a game if you want to go

853
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: watch Him against the. Spanish national team he's Playing Under

854
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: seventeen world cup in the gold medal match against the

855
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: team that had Like ethan al Monson And a dai

856
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: mara like high major college players, to you know high level.

857
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Professional basketball Players in, al monson's CASE he was i

858
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: can't remember if he's, fourteen, or fifteen right like he.

859
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Was super young he's like at least two years below

860
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: his age group or two, years playing up two years

861
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: with his age group, with you know the best players in.

862
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: His age group in, the literal world it was two years.

863
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Playing up right he had like nine blocks and five

864
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: steals or something. In this game he completely dominated the

865
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: game just. Through defensive Activity it was it's honestly one

866
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: of The coolest games i've ever seen a player play,

867
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: at that level where he completely took it over through

868
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: being a dog, and, like, deciding yet no you guys

869
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: aren't doing anything, with me today. NO matter what i

870
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: might not have the skill level that, you Guys do

871
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: but i'm gonna figure It out and i'm gonna beat

872
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: you guys at the end.

873
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: Of the day, he has this and you broke this

874
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: down really well in your, guide as well that this

875
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: like anticipation piece and this, competitiveness piece TOO that all i,

876
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: could think, about You know as i'm watching HIM through,

877
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: the ncaa Tournament and as i'm watching, FILM this morning i,

878
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: just imagine him, within you know three FOUR years, of

879
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: nba basketball becoming such a high level, defensive processor too

880
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: as a guy that can kind of suss out actions

881
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: and get out in. Front of them he has this

882
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: like rangy ability, to cover ground which. IS super valuable

883
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: i within the respect of within The. Context of dallas,

884
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: do YOU think because i love the Idea of Watching

885
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: Cooper and anthony davis, play defense together do you think

886
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: he has the ability to play the three alongside ad.

887
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: IN a.

888
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: CENTER i do i THINK his best i think the

889
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: best thing that they will do is probably when they're

890
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: playing him at the four and playing a d. At

891
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: the five but They Obviously, have derek lively and they're

892
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: gonna Want To get derek lively on the court as much.

893
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: AS possible too i do think he can. PLAY the

894
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: three i don't really see an issue. There at all

895
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: he's comfortable enough playing, with the ball playing in, Ball

896
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: screens defensively he's going to be able, to handle. IT

897
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: no problem i think he'll probably be a little bit

898
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: better at the four if he made, me GUESS really

899
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: what i want him to be able to do is

900
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: just roam around and be like a monster help. Defender

901
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: like that that would be the best, role for him

902
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: is if you could find a way to actualize that,

903
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: in his game because that's what he was in high

904
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: school and he was just like truly elite at that,

905
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: in high school just roaming around and being able to

906
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: wreak havoc across the. COURT that, WAY i look i

907
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: might like, be you know a little bit Too strong on.

908
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: COOPER or something i actually kind of love this, team

909
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: built now like in. A real Way i think nico

910
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: fell ass backwards into it and probably doesn't deserve a

911
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: whole lot of. Credit for it but like you tell

912
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: me that You're, Giving Me, cooper Anthony Davis, and derek

913
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: lively and then You're gonna get kyrie, back as well probably,

914
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: late next, season you, know fully healthy probably in twenty

915
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: twenty six, to twenty seven a man like it'll Depend on,

916
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: How clay ages it'll Depend on how kyrie comes back.

917
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: From the injury you could sell me that that team's,

918
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: a title contender like you could maybe not, year one

919
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: obviously But, your Two cooper if kyrie, is fully healthy

920
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: like you could sell me that that's like a fifty

921
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: five win team if it breaks right for them and

922
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: they make, The right moves like they're, gonna figure out

923
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: like how To Utilize the, daniel GAFFORD. Asset the pj washington.

924
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: Asset this year there are things they're. Gonna FIGURE out

925
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: and i think they're gonna struggle a little bit this

926
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: year just because they don't have that offensive. Playmaker right,

927
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: now but dude like that infrastructure. IS really SICK i

928
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: think i am a fan of. It for sure.

929
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: It'd be a fun year to get The ball to

930
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: cooper a lot and just kind of see what he

931
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: can do, on, the ball, especially you know like he,

932
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: he to me is the versatility you mentioned to me

933
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: also comes in the form of offensive utility in the

934
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: sense that this word kind of does bring Me back

935
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: TO tatum or i see him being a guy who can,

936
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: play low, post high post face, up ball screens. INVERTED

937
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: ball screens i can literally see him functioning in so

938
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: many different types OF actions that i kind of see

939
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: him being kind of like, a shape shifter. So to

940
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Speak as as dallas is going through a, very you

941
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: know kind of tumultuous era in terms, of ROSTER turnover

942
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: because i. Wouldn't be, SURPRISED you know i think They,

943
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: could move gafford and THEY. Could move pj. WASHINGTON this

944
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: summer i think they probably should considering their starting caliber

945
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: players that don't have a role on this team in.

946
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: The starting lineup but there you could Talk me into

947
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: dallas going into the season with a glut of forwards and,

948
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: just being like let's see how this goes and then

949
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: we'll make a move. At the deadline and if, that's

950
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: the case like you're gonna get to see a lot

951
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: of this sort Of versatility from cooper and him filling

952
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: all these different. TYPES of positions i have my concerns

953
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: about his, absolute top end just simply because of like

954
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: some of the first step quickness and like ability to

955
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: get separation. From ELITE defenders but i the way you

956
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: characterize to him as like the safest BET is where

957
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: i fall firmly in, line with you like there's, just no,

958
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: chance Barring injury that cooper flag isn't a very VERY very.

959
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: Good nba player he's like bustproof, in that regard just

960
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: because there is this combination of a traits. At every

961
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: position is he the biggest most athletic forward? Of, All

962
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: time no but he's gonna be one of the bigger

963
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: and more athletic FORWARDS. In the nba is he the best? Ball,

964
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: handling forward no but he's gonna be one of the

965
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: better ball handling FORWARDS. In the nba he's just he's

966
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: he's above average at every single considerably above average at.

967
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: Every single trait and then it goes back to what

968
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: we talk about. At the top he's just. An mffort

969
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: dude he's just like he's just going out there with his,

970
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: hair on fire trying to win every single game and

971
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: trying to gain. Every single, advantage and, that to me

972
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that you want to build.

973
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Your franchise Around Number. Two dylan harper, first of all

974
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: before we even get into him, as a player do

975
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: you do You think the spurs are just gonna take

976
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: him and just? Figure IT out?

977
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: What, I do yeah i would expect they. Just take

978
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: him here's. The reason why If, you're the Spurs, you

979
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: have Victor You, have, daron fox now you, Have You.

980
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: Know devin vessel seemingly it seems like they're not going.

981
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: To move him you have all these dudes right that

982
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: are pretty good At, basketball around victor who we think

983
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: is probably gonna be one of the five best players

984
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: in the, league, Next year right like you're probably not

985
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: picking number. Two overall Again and, IF i'm them i

986
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 2: want to accumulate the elite talent and then just figure,

987
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: it out later figure out the what. Fits, WHAT doesn't

988
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: honestly i THINK he's A I think dylan harper is

989
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: a Better Prosper. Than Steph castle So i'm picking dylan

990
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: and then FIGURING out if i Have to, move castle later, As,

991
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 2: OPPOSED to Oh i, have castle already let's move down,

992
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: and you know not take him in Favor, of actualizing

993
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: castle YOU know? What, I mean.

994
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: No i agree. WITH you, there i think, LIKE in,

995
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: general i believe especially considering the tear we were talking

996
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: about before the before, We STARTED recording, like i, thought,

997
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: you Know, oh kankor nipple if you think of him

998
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: as like just a big shooter who's really smart and

999
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: who can pass coming off, of screening actions it's just

1000
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: so Much Utility With, victor webman yama there's so many

1001
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: like different things that, make sense there especially On a.

1002
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: Deeron fox team you can imagine him slipping out of.

1003
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Guard guard Screens, with deeron fox there's all these different

1004
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: things you, can figure out but the bottom line is

1005
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: is like if you Had to trade khan or you Had,

1006
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: to trade dylan you're gonna just get so Much, more

1007
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: for dylan and he's just a substantially better asset that

1008
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: you can. Move forward With And The san antonio spurs

1009
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: are already going to have to make some sort of

1010
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: roster bound trade at some point. In the future it's just.

1011
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: Kind of inevitable so, to your point you, take the

1012
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: asset you figure. It out later my FIRST takeaway When

1013
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: i watch DYLAN today and i have the, jump shot

1014
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: stuff is super interesting with him for me because there

1015
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: are so many examples of this kind of player, in

1016
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: basketball history where an on ball dominant guard shoots the

1017
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: ball pretty well off the dribble but can't shoot it,

1018
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: Off The catch like shae is this, type of, GUY

1019
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: and shit i actually see Some corollaries Between. SHANE and

1020
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: dial I don't Think dylan has shay's first step or anything,

1021
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: close to it but what he does have is like

1022
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: that downhill big guard approach Mixed with like dylan's so

1023
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: good at chaining, together counter moves which kind of reminds

1024
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: me a Little. Bit of shay the big Thing though

1025
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: with dylan FOR me is i feel like his shot

1026
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: is a little down in front of his face and

1027
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit of a, Long LOAD up

1028
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: and i think that that's super interesting because even in

1029
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: the catch, and shoot stuff he's like deadly, when he's

1030
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: open but it falls off a cliff when. He's being

1031
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: guarded and, so to me like whether or not he reaches,

1032
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: his inevitable upside his eventual upside will come down to

1033
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: some shot mechanics stuff like like kind of like making

1034
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: the release a little, bit more compact a little, bit

1035
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: more arc a, little bit quicker those. Sorts of things

1036
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: but in terms of just being a big downhill guard

1037
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: that can get, to his spots there's just such a

1038
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: it's such a rare thing in basketball, at his size

1039
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: and that's what gets me. Excited about him and tell

1040
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: everybody Why You. Have, Dylan harper yeah so.

1041
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: First and foremost you read on what he needs to improve,

1042
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: is dead on because you know that's exactly what he's working.

1043
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: On PRE draft like i went and saw him work

1044
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: out like that is exactly he was doing all sorts

1045
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: of pull up shots off, of ball, screens you. Know, reading, this,

1046
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: OKAY defender here i need to get to my step

1047
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: back to my right and then be able to, shoot

1048
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: with balance going, up with force, everything like that YOU know.

1049
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: What i mean so all of that is what he's trying,

1050
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: to WORK on and i think what they see as

1051
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: the next. Step for him enormous frame first and foremost

1052
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: six four and a half six ten and half wingspan

1053
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: eight six standing reach just, like a massive massive lead

1054
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: guard right uses that size incredibly well to be able.

1055
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: To maintain advantages good at creating that initial advantage, with

1056
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: the shiftiness the. CREATIVITY of handle i think we often

1057
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: like think about guys who can like, string together moves

1058
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: maybe don't, string together moves but like who have like

1059
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: sudden moves as being these, great ball handlers and. Oftentimes

1060
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: THEY are but i think That one makes dylan a

1061
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: great ball handler is the creativity that he has in terms,

1062
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: of his gathers in terms of his ability to get

1063
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: from one spot to another. With the ball the creative

1064
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: mindset with which he thinks about. Stringing moves, together you know,

1065
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: he'll go hesitation, right, to left crossover, left, to right

1066
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: crossover take, one step forward spin back off, Of the

1067
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: defender he's setting. Guys up constantly he's playing the chess

1068
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 2: match in his head for how he thinks you're gonna

1069
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: react before you react or like before you actually make

1070
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: the decision on how. You react right but then on,

1071
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: top of it he is actively manipulating you to be

1072
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: able to do. Those things right he just thinks about

1073
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: ball handling and getting to his spots in really really

1074
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: creative ways at the end.

1075
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: Of.

1076
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: The day, totally BUT again like i Would argue that

1077
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: shaye like didn't have a monster first step Coming. OUT

1078
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: of kentucky i thought he had a. Good first step

1079
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: it was more of The what makes. SHAYE so, special

1080
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: i mean this is getting into like the really, Nitty

1081
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: GREE stuff Like i think shae's like ankle like his

1082
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: ability to like put force through his ankles on balance

1083
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: and like be able to maintain balance in. Such awkward

1084
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: positions it is Like unlike anything, i've ever seen, to

1085
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: be honest him being able to like extend through these

1086
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: weird and like split defenders while extending through and navigating

1087
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: all of these bodies in tight like that's what. MAKES

1088
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: him Special i think dylan has. Some of that i'm

1089
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: not going to sit, here and say like he Is

1090
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: Like The shay gilges alexander superpower to be able. To

1091
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: DO that What i think dylan is, really good at

1092
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: and this is why he drives so much rim pressure

1093
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: at the end, of the day is that he's really

1094
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: really good at navigating those bodies on the interior and

1095
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: setting them up in different ways to be able to

1096
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: get to the spots. That he wants just looking through, the,

1097
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: numbers here, Oh exceptionally rare like? Doesn't, HAPPEN rare basically

1098
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: i think there are. PROBABLY a few i can't think

1099
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: of them off the top, of my head but like

1100
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: there are a few that got to the rim. AT

1101
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: this level i think he took like five shots at

1102
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: the rim and half court settings per, game this year

1103
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: despite The fact that rutgers had like the worst spacing

1104
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: in the, history of basketball and like it was crazy

1105
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: how often he got to the rim is. Some horrendous

1106
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: hoops like YOU understand what i, Have, To watch, jason

1107
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: you understand like why whenever we GET to the nba

1108
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: playoffs and just like, This is, amazing like basketball, it's the, Best,

1109
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 2: Isn't it guys like this. IS so good i Had

1110
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: To watch rutger i'd watch a Thousand minutes of rutgers,

1111
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: basketball this year like this is. Where, we're at yeah

1112
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: just like so good at navigating bodies and the paint

1113
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: those how to find increases in an. Elite level balance

1114
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: this tremendous ability to finish both off one. Or two

1115
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: feet it can go around you. If you're longer he's

1116
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 2: willing to go and like he goes in straight lines,

1117
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: to the rim he will, go through you go through

1118
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: a defender's chest if he has to to get. To

1119
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 2: the rim really good. At drawing fouls got much better

1120
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 2: at finishing at the, basket this year despite the fact

1121
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: that they, had no spacing uh sixty five point three percent,

1122
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: at the rim hit over sixty two percent. Of his

1123
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: layups that was a, big development actually because he was

1124
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: not always great at that. In high school you could see.

1125
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: The potential though you could see the way that he

1126
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: understood how, to use angles and he would have some

1127
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: like crazy highlight reel finishes, in high school but finished

1128
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: like in the thing he was like, in the fifties

1129
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: basically right in terms of percentages this year is at

1130
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: sixty five point three and really figured out how to

1131
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: use his frame at a. Really, high level yeah catch

1132
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: and shoot like real shooter is a catch and shoot

1133
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: guy two to one. ASSISTANT turnover ratio i think we

1134
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: should talk about the passing real. QUICK as well i

1135
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: don't think you've got to see like crazy passing stuff

1136
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: if You watch the, rutgers tape necessarily if you go

1137
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: back and WATCH some like, usa basketball stuff if you

1138
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: go back AND watch. Some aau stuff he has some

1139
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: real PASSING ability that i think we didn't get to

1140
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: see quite as. Much this year that he can, really

1141
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: make plays particularly live dribble with. His left hand he's

1142
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: extremely comfortable shooting that ball out with velocity, to the

1143
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: corner to. The cross wing he'll throw lobs at a

1144
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: highlight like he just has a real understanding of how

1145
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: to make plays if that's what he's being.

1146
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Tasked, with doing, yeah you know his timing stood out

1147
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: to me on both the passing and. The scoring front

1148
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: the on the, PLAY making front i sometimes felt like

1149
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: like he would come off of a screen and face,

1150
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: a HARD hedge and I think sometimes i thought he'd

1151
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: get rid of it a, touch too quickly or a

1152
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: touch too like on a line instead of. On the

1153
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: loft sometimes he'd throw that cross COURT pass when i

1154
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: felt like he could have pressed like just a half

1155
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: second longer to get the lowman to commit just a

1156
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: little bit further before. He threw it like it felt

1157
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: like sometimes the timing of his passing was just. A

1158
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: touch off but again that could be associated with the

1159
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: spacing that you're talking about with. His scoring ability the timing,

1160
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: is SO sharp and i think this actually plays a

1161
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: big role in, his finishing because like you, talked about it.

1162
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: Guards miss layups that's just what they, do in basketball

1163
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: EVEN at, The nba level like you're gonna see guards,

1164
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: make you know maybe fifty five percent of their layups

1165
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: because it's just there's so much athleticism around the rim

1166
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: and it's just difficult to finish in TRAFFIC, IN the

1167
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: nba i feel like a big part Of what made

1168
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: dylan such a good finisher is just the timing of

1169
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: when he would attack and his change. OF pay sequences

1170
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: i think that if he can build out that playmaking

1171
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: piece that, you're talking about and if he can add

1172
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: the refinement to, the jump shooting there's like real, legitimate

1173
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: UPSIDE there and i think that's important for. People to

1174
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Understand Like, in sam's tears Here he's got cooper as

1175
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: a number one tier and Then he's got dylan as,

1176
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: a NUMBER two which i believe you mean you you

1177
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: view him to be a safe bet To Be? An all? Star?

1178
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Is, that LIKE yeah if i was projecting out like,

1179
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: outcomes here RIGHT the way i think of this. All

1180
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: is in this might come from like, having grown up

1181
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: like playing poker and. Everything LIKE that like i think of, It,

1182
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: as like okay what kind OF outcome am i? Betting

1183
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: on Here like if i'm putting my money in betting

1184
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: on An Outcome, WITH dylan harper, i would Say like

1185
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: all star would. Be my bet i'm where he ends

1186
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: up settling in maybe like a LOWER end. ALL nba

1187
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: player i can see a world where he. Reaches that

1188
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: status but if he made me, say RIGHT now like

1189
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: i feel better about saying he's gonna Be Like an all.

1190
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 2: Star caliber guard.

1191
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: But this is, A real guard this is, A real

1192
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: prospect this is a this is a really high level

1193
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: player there. AT number two i want to go somewhat

1194
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: quickly through number three AND four because i do want

1195
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: to spend some time on my favorite. Watch From today

1196
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: trey johnson, CON to, me, i, think yeah, yeah that

1197
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: too SO so the i Thought you having con all

1198
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: the way up at number three was really. Fascinating To

1199
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: me and i've been thinking about this concept a lot

1200
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: over the last week Because Of the Desmond Bane and,

1201
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: kevin durant trades which is just the simple, idea that

1202
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: like if you have a guy that can run off

1203
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: of a screen and hit enough of the jump shots

1204
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: that it actually dictates that the coverage must, account for

1205
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: it meaning you must bring your big man up to

1206
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: the level, of the screen and that guy is capable

1207
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: of passing out of those actions The Way that, desmond

1208
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: band can The Way that. KEVIN durant can i think

1209
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: it's one of the most underrated value PIECES. In The

1210
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: Nba like kevin raan was one of the best jump

1211
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: shooters in was the best jump shooter in basketball last Year,

1212
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: According to, SYNERGY so like i think that that is

1213
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: still such. A Valuable skill and I'M not saying I

1214
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: would have, con AT three but i do love this

1215
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: idea of the yeah of having a guy that can

1216
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: legitimately be a threat to both shoot in pass coming

1217
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: off of screening actions as a huge bit of value

1218
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: while also being in the context of what we talked

1219
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: about earlier while having positional positional size and being a

1220
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: competitive dude that plays. Really hard defense so explain to

1221
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: everybody Why you have con at all the way up.

1222
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: At number three he doesn't really, HAVE a hole i

1223
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 2: would argue in his. Game like that that's the big

1224
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: thing For me whenever i'm trying, to, Figure, out like

1225
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: okay this guy's gonna be like a really, High level

1226
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: starter i'm so glad You Brought up desmond bane because

1227
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: That's the guy I've been comparing con to throughout the entirety.

1228
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: Of.

1229
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: This, THING yeah really i think. It's very similar he, is,

1230
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: an elite elite. Elite level shooter it, Is insanely, rare

1231
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: like forget LIKE how rare i, Just talked about, Like

1232
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: You know dylan harper's rim pressure is for somebody to

1233
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: shoot forty eight forty one ninety one as a TEENAGER,

1234
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: In the acc like almost go fifty to forty ninety

1235
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: as a teenager. Is unheard of guys like. That is

1236
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: insane con is one of those guys who is capable

1237
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: of morphing his game to. WHAT is required i think

1238
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,479
Speaker 2: is the easiest way. To say it did you watch

1239
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: ANY of the acc. Tournament this year in the tape

1240
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: that You, WATCHED of cohn i.

1241
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: Went, back Quite away as I'M pretty sure i watched

1242
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: two or three OF his the.

1243
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: Acc tournament games.

1244
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: He stepped up A lot when cooper.

1245
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: Was exactly RIGHT so the acc tournament games are The

1246
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 2: ones where cooper was out and he was the one

1247
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: that was, running the show and he averaged like over

1248
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: twenty points per GAME On. THE acc tournament mvp clearly

1249
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: showed that his game, can scale up and the reality

1250
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: was this year it, was, just, LIKE no like i

1251
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: need to be the number Two. GUY with cooper i

1252
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: need to be the secondary ball handler, who, can, dribble

1253
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: fast shoot make plays, off ball screens knock down shots at,

1254
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: a high level and then defensively like he's always in.

1255
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: The right position it's funny like people, will, bring up Oh,

1256
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: Like how conkainipple like he's never gonna be able to

1257
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: DEFEND at, The nba level like he's never gonna be able,

1258
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: to do this never be able. To do that look at,

1259
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: how he moves like, all These things and, i'm, just

1260
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: like guys this guy was a Better Defender than ace

1261
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: bailey this. Year in college i'm not gonna sit here

1262
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: and Tell You that ace bailey doesn't have more Defensive Potential.

1263
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: Than conkin nipple. He absolutely does there is so much

1264
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: of a greater Feeling where if ace was to really

1265
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: commit on defense and was to like lock in and

1266
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: be engaged all the, time on defense of course he

1267
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: would be better than. Con on defense i'm just telling

1268
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: you what the tape says in college that con was

1269
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: a Better Defender than ace bailey. Was this year and

1270
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: that's because. He's always engaged he always makes. The right rotations,

1271
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: he's bumping cutters, he's tagging rollers he's finding he's helping

1272
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: the helper like he's always available. To his teammates he

1273
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: always makes. The right rotations then, on the ball physical strength.

1274
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: Gets really underrated. It just does he is a. Super

1275
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: strong dude he is two hundred and fifteen two hundred and.

1276
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: Twenty pounds already it's hard to go. Through his chest

1277
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: if he beats you, to the spot you aren't. Going

1278
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: through him he has a low center of gravity and he.

1279
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: Is very physical it is very similar to what You See.

1280
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: With Desmond baine desmond bain's a little bit Quicker than

1281
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: WHAT con, is i think but he's, not as tall,

1282
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: And you know bain is. A tank obviously con is

1283
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: like very strong through his lower, center of gravity holds

1284
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: his line really really, well on drives and even if

1285
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: he does end, up getting beaten he ends up leading

1286
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: guys into. Help extremely well, he is very very. Smart

1287
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: and intelligent he processes the game at. A high level

1288
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: the off ball ability. IS a mover i mean. He's

1289
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: constantly relocating he's constantly making sure that he is creating

1290
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: opportunities for his teammates. To have space he's constantly creating

1291
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 2: opportunities for himself to be able to have an angle

1292
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,479
Speaker 2: for an. Easier kickout pass he just thinks the game

1293
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: at such. A high level these are the kind OF

1294
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: guys that i want to go into battle with as,

1295
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: a YOU know if i, was A coach if i

1296
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: was on, the team SIDE evaluating like I Would want

1297
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: kank nipple and my team at the end. Of the day.

1298
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: Is the reality.

1299
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: The power element is interesting because it kind of reminds

1300
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: me of what we were Talking about with cooper earlier

1301
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: in terms, of THE versatility because i just see him

1302
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: being able to function in so many different kinds, of

1303
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: ways offensively decoy action to, occupy help, defenders you know

1304
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: a third three man action where he's the backscreener in

1305
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: like stack pick and. ROLL ghost screens i actually think

1306
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: he's got like a little bit of potential to potentially

1307
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: be a switch beater in terms of like against size

1308
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: and like working closer to the basket. WITH his like

1309
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: i think he's got enough touch from the mid range

1310
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: and enough size and just especially with his competitiveness to

1311
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: continue to build this out over time to be a

1312
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: guy that can be useful in just so many. Different

1313
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: ways offensively, and you're right he's gonna have to find

1314
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: the ability to succeed within a defensive SCHEME in. The

1315
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: nba level but you know what. He's gonna do he's

1316
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: gonna come in. In day one he's gonna start communicating. With

1317
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: the staff he's gonna, start figuring OUT how do i

1318
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: find a way to be a good defender for you guys.

1319
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: Within that CONTEXT number FOUR vj edgecomp i look at

1320
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: this is kind OF you know i put down. In

1321
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: my notes these guys are different kinds of EYES, con

1322
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: and vj but they to me represent still a type

1323
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: of player that you need to have off, of your

1324
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: stars which is a guy, who, can dribble shoot pass

1325
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: And De fen now vj's not gonna shoot The way,

1326
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: that con does but if you, leave him open he's gonna.

1327
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: Knock it, down he's, got you know a. Simple compact

1328
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: release he gets good. Lift on it he uh is

1329
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: like a guy that has a little bit of. Pop

1330
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: driving closeouts he can. Attack and transition it's so funny

1331
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: the guy who's the player that you compared him to when.

1332
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: We, Were talking yeah i've been saying that it's Kind

1333
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: Of like gary harris with.

1334
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: A jet, pack that's right.

1335
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: Just way More, athletic than gary but like not a

1336
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: great ball handler, Creator right now like if you blitz him,

1337
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: in ball screens it's, a real issue YOU know, What

1338
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: i mean like it's a he had. Problems with that

1339
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 2: his left hand is not great in terms of his.

1340
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: Handle right now he can struggle with that. Quite, A

1341
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: bit uh and he doesn't really use his left. As

1342
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: a finisher he started doing a little bit late. In

1343
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: the year but you know there are some things that

1344
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: he has to work.

1345
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: On for SURE you you i point you POINTED out

1346
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: when i, brought this Up THAT. That aaron e, smith

1347
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: Is BIGGER. But aaron e smith was THE guy that

1348
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: i was THINKING about when i was watching him in

1349
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: Terms of LIKE aaron actually i think has a little

1350
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: bit more off the dribble pop. Than people think but

1351
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: he's obviously not the guy you're gonna run a bunch.

1352
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: Of ACTION through but i think there's value in their

1353
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: attacking closeouts and like just some of the. HIGHER level

1354
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: stuff I watched a vj euro step today around This

1355
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: Big from texas tech in, the CONFERENCE tournament where, i

1356
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god he took like a left

1357
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: to right, euro THROUGH traffic where i, was like that

1358
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: there's a level to like his ability to kind of

1359
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: like bring an upside to close OUT attacking that i.

1360
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: Think is real there's like a left shoulder fade that

1361
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: he hit roll spinning off, Of a guy like he's got.

1362
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: Real upside there but he's just like almost guaranteed to

1363
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: be a guy who can defend a couple of different

1364
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: positions and a couple, of different schemes knock down, wide

1365
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: open threes run his lane and transition and be a

1366
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: weapon on both ends, of the floor and be a

1367
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: guy who can. Play make advantages and that, to me

1368
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: again it manifests that you're changing the sliders a little Bit.

1369
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: Compared to con But it's like, con, can dribble shoot.

1370
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: PASS and defend, vj, can dribble shot pass and defend.

1371
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: To VARYING levels and i just think that there's utility

1372
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: for those kinds of guys on the WING, In the

1373
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: NBA and SO i just I look at, vj as

1374
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: like whoever gets him is just gonna get a rock

1375
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: solid role player for. A, Long TIME.

1376
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah like i told you this before, We went live like,

1377
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: the hardest ranking THE one that i went back and,

1378
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: Forth ON most LIKE i think i flipped them probably,

1379
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: a Dozen times if i'm, being completely honest was, this

1380
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: like three four? Or FIVE ranking and i Ended up

1381
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: with con like pretty solidly at, Three, FOR me like

1382
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 2: i felt pretty good about it. At The end BUT

1383
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: trey and vj were THE two that i struggled with so,

1384
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: much because man they're. Just VERY different like i can

1385
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: see The upside for. TREY being higher i think, it

1386
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: Probably is if, I'm being honest, but you Know like

1387
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: if trey settles Into Like, the malik, beasley you know

1388
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: great high, level, Shooter MOLD right and i think that's

1389
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: a real distinct potential outcome for him if he doesn't

1390
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: get a whole lot stronger and, doesn't you know doesn't

1391
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 2: have a way to pressure the basket and the way

1392
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: that you have to to be like a primary SCORER.

1393
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: IN the nba I just think vj is probably going

1394
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: to be a. MORE impactful guy i think that there

1395
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: are MORE, routes toward vj like being an impactful, player

1396
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: toward winning than There. Are for TREY even though i

1397
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: like Really buy into trey's outcomes as like a potential

1398
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: STAR bet because i think he's gonna max out whatever

1399
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: he can, as, A SCORER right but i wonder about

1400
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: if he maxes out being able to defend in the

1401
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: way that he's gonna have to. ON the ball i

1402
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: wonder if he maxes out the frame in the way he's.

1403
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: GONNA have to i do just believe though that he's

1404
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: gonna be able to. Max out tray this is like

1405
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: the scoring ability. In SOME. Way but, VJ you know

1406
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: i say the Idea Of like gary harris with the

1407
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 2: jetpack and like feel some type of. WAY about, It

1408
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,959
Speaker 2: I mean gary harris is probably like a top forty

1409
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: to fifty PLAYER in the nba during His, prime in

1410
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: denver average seventeen to three and three and got consistent

1411
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: all defense. Votes like that he WAS an awesome nba

1412
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: basketball player for. A long time and if YOU told

1413
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: me i was getting a more athletic version, Of that guy,

1414
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: i'd be, like oh wow like this is this is actually,

1415
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: A real dude this is a real player that helps

1416
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: you win basketball games at a. REALLY high Level i

1417
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: think i'm just like a little bit lower on the

1418
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: on ball up side based off of what WE'VE seen

1419
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: from dj. To, this point, ALSO you know i will

1420
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: bring up the big thing that, worries, me is yes

1421
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: you see, the, spectacular finishes right but forty eight point

1422
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: nine percent on his attempts in the half court, at

1423
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: the rim which, is really rough and that goes all

1424
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 2: the way back like forty five percent as a junior,

1425
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: in high school fifty two percent as a senior. In

1426
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: high school has just never been a great finisher at

1427
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 2: the rim despite. The athletic time.

1428
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: How much did you, Factor in audacity like just him

1429
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: like just. Trying crazy shit.

1430
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: IT does, happen i mean he does, go FOR it

1431
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: but i mean part of that is like decision making, for,

1432
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: Me too right, like you know hit. The passes consistently

1433
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: he got better, HITTING passes consistently i. Will say too

1434
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 2: the other thing is the. Pull up shooting he made

1435
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: thirteen of forty nine pool up attempts This year at.

1436
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: Baylor in total has never been a great. Pull up,

1437
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: shooter you know it was nine of thirty five. As

1438
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: A senior, LIKE i, Think, i mean jason did you

1439
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: take more than thirty five poll up attempts as a

1440
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: senior in high school when you played? HIGH school basketball i.

1441
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: Was a terrible high, school Basketball player so i'm the wrong,

1442
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: Guy to ask, but but yeah that's that's pretty.

1443
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: Like thirty five for a guy that's going to go

1444
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: in the top five of the draft in like twenty,

1445
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 2: or so games probably that they Have. Tracked on synergy it's,

1446
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 2: a low number YOU know? What i, MEAN like.

1447
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: That i think the on ball UP side with vj.

1448
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: Is very, theoretical it, IS it, Is I agree but,

1449
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: i'm A fan like i think he's going to impact

1450
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: winning for, A long time like if he goes Number,

1451
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: THREE to philly i kind, Of get it like he's

1452
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: a guy that will help you, win basketball games.

1453
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: And he makes some sense Next, TO to, tyree, i

1454
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: think yeah.

1455
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: It makes sense Next to Both tyres. AND jared, McCain

1456
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: i think.

1457
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: So what made me So Excited about TREY johnson was

1458
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: i see this guy that has so much natural scoring

1459
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: ability in terms of like kind OF it's like i

1460
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: always look at scoring separate from like any. Individual offensive

1461
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: skill the big picture, concept of, scoring to me is

1462
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: a combination, of like confidence you've got to believe in, what.

1463
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 1: You're doing creativity there's a good amount of like you

1464
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: need to be like willing to not be so robotic

1465
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: and rigid if you're going to. Be a scorer and

1466
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: then the third piece of it is obviously the work,

1467
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: behind the scenes on the on. The shot making but

1468
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: while all of the footwork and, the the tech the

1469
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: technical part of it, IS there already i think he's

1470
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: still just barely scratching the surface of like kind of

1471
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: learning how to make things a little bit. EASIER for him,

1472
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: I you know I remember when i Would Watch, like kevin,

1473
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: durant you know when he was when he was younger

1474
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: and a little. Bit more Aggressive how like kad would

1475
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: have this like wonderful ability to set his man up

1476
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: for screens and like even though he knew he wasn't

1477
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: the fastest player, on the floor he'd be so judicious

1478
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: about his change of, pace and physicality like leaning on

1479
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: his man and then exploding out to the perimeter and

1480
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: getting him set up to so that he'd run. Into

1481
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: THE screen and i was Looking at the xavier game In,

1482
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: particular FOR trey and i thought they just did a

1483
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: really good job of denying him the basketball. And staying

1484
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: attached and, IN that, game, i, thought like, Like for

1485
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: instance trey's pump fake right now is literally just like

1486
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: he just, Goes like that like, there's no real like

1487
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: technical effort to sell, the pump FAKE and like i

1488
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: feel like when he starts to slow down a little bit,

1489
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: and realize that like when he paint changes his pace

1490
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: more and sells his fakes a, little bit more like

1491
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: he he's not getting even as many of like the

1492
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: pump fake blowby stuff as he's capable of getting at

1493
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: this point. Because he is teams are selling out on

1494
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: him because he is legitimately an awesome movement three point

1495
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: shooter and off the dribble, three point shooter and like

1496
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: that really is the thing that Separates Him. FROM ace

1497
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: bailey i hate most of THE shots That I saw

1498
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: ace bailey take because it literally felt like he was

1499
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: taking a shot based on what looked the coolest rather

1500
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: than what made sense. In, that moment.

1501
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly Exactly it was trey like he would take,

1502
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 4: some bad shots but you can kind of see what,

1503
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 4: He was thinking like you could see he's, thinking LIKE

1504
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 4: like if i get, my separation here this.

1505
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: Is a THREE and if, i hit this this is a.

1506
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: Highly efficient shot like like you can kind of Just

1507
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: see with trey it's kind of like more of, an

1508
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: organized Chaos whereas with ace right now it's like a.

1509
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: It's just chaos And so WITH trey what i got

1510
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: me so Excited About that as i'm, Watching him, today

1511
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: i'm like, oh my god he's already awesome and he

1512
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: can still get so much better at kind of. Refining

1513
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: THIS skill and i just still think that the ability

1514
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: to sprint into jump shots going, left and right and

1515
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: to be able to hit jump shots off the dribble

1516
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: going left and right off of different bits of footwork

1517
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: and separation moves is one of the most valuable THINGS,

1518
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: in THE nba and I just think trey's already awesome

1519
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: at it with so much. Room for IMPROVEMENT i'm just

1520
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: i was just a big fan OF him when i.

1521
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: Was watching.

1522
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: Him completely agree I'm A big tray johnson. Fan as

1523
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: well just a real movement shooter from day ONE in

1524
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 2: the nba AND that like i Would Expect that tray

1525
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: johnson Is First team all rookie next year because he's

1526
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: going to step in and just be immediately ready to

1527
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: shoot in score points, from day one like as an.

1528
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: Off ball player, in, the end like by the way you're,

1529
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: Pointing this out texas like did not do enough running

1530
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: him off of. Screens this year they ran him off

1531
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: of screens like, once a game once or. Twice a game.

1532
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: That was it like he took under two shots per

1533
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: game off of. Screens this. Year it's insane you have

1534
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: like the best weapon in college basketball probably last year

1535
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 2: shooting off of screens and instead, of you know doing

1536
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 2: it the way that, it makes sense you just have

1537
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: him bring the ball off the court every time and

1538
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: then try and get through his. SHOT that way nba

1539
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: teams are going to be so much more calculated and

1540
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: How They. Use trey johnson he is GOING to, AVERAGE i,

1541
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: THINK i mean i don't KNOW how aggressive i want.

1542
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: To get here he's definitely. Averaging double FIGURES in the,

1543
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: Nba next year like if you told me he averaged

1544
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: like sixteen seventeen a game in the right spot next year,

1545
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: AS a rookie i, wouldn't be surprised just because like

1546
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: if he.

1547
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: Was the or do you think.

1548
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: He, Ends, Up yeah look i've gotten anywhere from. Three,

1549
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: To seven honestly like he feels like a player that

1550
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: is really he's impressed teams and. PRE draft workouts i

1551
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 2: think they've gotten to know him a little bit better

1552
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: and they understand him a. Little bit better his Body

1553
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: language at, Texas THIS year like i think he'd. Even admit,

1554
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: THIS you know i didn't ask, him about, it but,

1555
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 2: Like you know i've kind, Of, understood it, like you

1556
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: know his Body language is texas year like, wasn't always

1557
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 2: fantastic let's GO with and i think. THAT that didn't

1558
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: i think some teams went into the pre draft process

1559
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: with One Notion about trey johnson and then came away

1560
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: from like talking to him feeling totally differently about him

1561
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: in a, really positive way YOU know, What i mean

1562
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 2: LIKE just, because, i mean look how much do we

1563
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: want To Shoot on? Rodney terry here but, like it

1564
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: was it Was bad the texas, scheme was atrocious like

1565
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: there's there's. Spacing was awful he had no ability to

1566
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: get to where he wanted to go to that there

1567
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: was no intentionality in what. They were running it felt

1568
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: like it was it was. REALLY really rough i Felt

1569
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 2: like a. Texas last year, AND you know i think that,

1570
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: smart basketball players when things, aren't going well they can kind,

1571
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 2: of FEEL that and i think some are better at masking.

1572
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: It than others let's GO with and i think that

1573
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: that was probably A frustration for. TREY last year i

1574
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: don't know that. For, A fact again i haven't asked,

1575
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: them about IT but like i do know that there

1576
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: are A number of nba teams that felt one way

1577
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: about him and then met with him and, they were,

1578
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 2: like oh no like this is a, this is different,

1579
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: This is different, like he's way this is way more

1580
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: positive than what people thought or what, People think right

1581
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: Like he's not he's not like a bad body language like,

1582
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: bad you know going to be an issue. KID at ALL.

1583
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: I think nba structure is going to be, massive for

1584
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: him especially, as a playmaker because it kind of felt

1585
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: like to me a lot of the playmaking issues stemmed

1586
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: from that. Lack of organization if you put him in

1587
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: a situation, where, it's like hey we're running this, play

1588
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: for you, This you know chicago action coming out of

1589
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: the right, corner or whatever it ends up being create

1590
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: very simple reads for him and to where, he, understands

1591
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: like hey when they show, on the screen you're dumping

1592
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: to the big, every single time and, you see this

1593
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: you do that when you come off the screen and

1594
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: they pinch in. At the nail this is what you're. Looking,

1595
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: to do like get into the situations where he kind

1596
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: of has like these classic like one to two reads

1597
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: where it's like shoot or this or that. AND that's

1598
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: it i think that's where he can actually be. An

1599
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: effective playmaker it Is Not. THE ace bailey i caught

1600
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: the ball and now everyone else disappears and.

1601
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: It's just me i'll Say this, With trey two like early,

1602
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 2: IN the year i thought that he was going to

1603
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: be like a. Pretty, deficient passer honestly he got so

1604
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: much better at passing. Throughout the year it, was a

1605
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: huge huge growth For him AT texas where i think

1606
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: that he did start to figure out the reads that are,

1607
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: really high level where like there are a lot of

1608
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: moments where he's coming off of an action like exactly,

1609
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: like you're saying like A corner. Of chicago action HE'S

1610
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: taking a dho driving into the lane and he'll jump

1611
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: past and like hit the dump off like immediately and

1612
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: just like understand what. THE read is i was really

1613
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: worried early in the year that it was like a.

1614
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: Cam thomasse vibe it's. Nowhere near that like he has

1615
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 2: so much more like unselfishness and like understanding to his

1616
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: GAME than what i think that would. That would indicate.

1617
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned in your before this is the last piece

1618
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to ace and then we'll get. Out

1619
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: of here you mentioned in your draft guide him needing,

1620
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: to GET stronger and i AGREE that's where i kind

1621
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: of view him as being like a player that slows down,

1622
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: a little bit puts on, some muscle mass becomes a

1623
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: little bit more deliberate with the way he sets himself,

1624
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: up for action a little bit more deliberate. With HIS

1625
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: fakes but i feel pretty confident that he's going to

1626
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: be able to get the ball OFF at. The nba level,

1627
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: and YOU know when i was watching the shots, He's taken,

1628
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: today i'm like these are shots that are going to

1629
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: work at. The next level these are things that he's

1630
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: going to be able to make and and everything we're

1631
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: hearing about his work ethic is is going to just

1632
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: continue to hammer that home.

1633
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: SO a space i am so excited for This conversation

1634
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: because i'm always really excited to hear from People Who

1635
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: watch ace bailey for the first time, and are like

1636
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,879
Speaker 2: what the? FUCK is this.

1637
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: I let me just use. One simple example there is

1638
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: a proven way for any player with a size advantage

1639
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: to be able to get a decent jump shot off

1640
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: out of the post on. The left block if you're a,

1641
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: right handed player you hit the drop step and right after,

1642
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: you make contact you spin hard over, that right shoulder

1643
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: and you turn around and you lift off of you plant,

1644
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,799
Speaker 1: that left foot and you lift off, of both legs

1645
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: and you're almost certainly gonna have the separation you need

1646
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: and it's up off. Of two. Feet it's balanced the

1647
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: right shoulder fade away is one of the most common

1648
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: shots that you'll see a big FORWARD in the nba

1649
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: take as. A switch beater i saw a half dozen

1650
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 1: today where he somehow turned that, into some wild fucking

1651
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: one legged fade away where he like spun over his

1652
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: right shoulder and then took a step back into the one,

1653
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: legged Fade away and i'm, just like why like why are?

1654
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: YOU doing that i. Don't understand yet.

1655
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: It's like also kind of cool that he has the

1656
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: body control to be able to like do that and

1657
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 2: like string, that together, too like sir you're you're like a,

1658
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: little bit impressed but, then, you're like no. Don't, do that.

1659
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's it's a jarring experience because. It's legitimately

1660
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: fun it's fun to watch and like and, that's REALLY where,

1661
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: like i see the. Upside is undeniable IT'S like everything

1662
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: i though you did a wonderful job as per usual

1663
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: breaking it down in. Your draft guide he's got, these

1664
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: great tools but then he it doesn't like function like

1665
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: he's a great athlete with great tools because of the

1666
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: fact that he's just kind of like out of his

1667
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: athletic stance most of the time and he's just like

1668
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 1: In there it and then there's a legitimate like black

1669
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: hole type of offensive feel for him where it's like

1670
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: the ball ends up in his hands and it's, like

1671
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: all right you know where something's, going up here and

1672
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: there's just a LITTLE bit like i view him as

1673
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: a guy that needs an enormous, amount of refining but

1674
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: that the upside, is really there and so like he

1675
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: needs to go somewhere where he can be bad for

1676
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: a long time and IT but like i think that's

1677
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: where he. NEEDS to go i think if he, GOES

1678
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: anywhere else i think it could, go really. POORLY really

1679
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: fast i want. To be clear This Is not emmy

1680
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: baits where it's like he's skin and bones and barely

1681
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: six s eight and like just, doesn't have faces just doesn't.

1682
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: Have the athleticism ace is much more physically prominent, At

1683
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: the position so there is. Real UPSIDE there but i

1684
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: think he needs a reworking of several different kind of

1685
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: things in the way that he. Approaches THE game and

1686
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: i just view him as like a. Very, BIG project yeah.

1687
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: I completely agree but the project is like the ceiling's

1688
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: very high. If it, works, the ceiling yeah very high.

1689
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: If it, works so yeah, first and foremost like just

1690
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 2: plays very upright is. What worries me does not play,

1691
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: with much bend and he doesn't access the. Athleticism he

1692
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: has like you'll see him out in transition and you'll

1693
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 2: rise and like throw down like all these crazy dunks

1694
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 2: but he doesn't play through contact well because he's getting

1695
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: out leveraged by everybody on the court because he doesn't

1696
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 2: play with a Lot of bend right doesn't play with

1697
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: a lot of physical force now like very much, a

1698
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 2: finesse player despite the fact that he has like, powerful

1699
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: explosive athleticism like you know, in his legs YOU know,

1700
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: What i mean like he has the ability to, really

1701
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: rise up but like it doesn't play out that way

1702
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: in the half court because he loses the leverage game

1703
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: just about. Every SINGLE time like i use the idea

1704
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: of pad, level quote unquote like talking about pad, level,

1705
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: and football right pad level matters. In basketball too being

1706
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: able to outleverage. Guys really matters he doesn't. REALLY do

1707
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 2: that i mean the shot selections simultaneously amazing because you

1708
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: just wonder how he came to that decision and also

1709
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: like maddening. AND just insane i don't really understand it,

1710
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: in any way. Shape or. FORM the, Mechanic i mean

1711
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: i'm fascinated to hear what you think of, The SHOT

1712
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: mechanics like i think the shot mechanics.

1713
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Is that's super every jumper looks different and like some

1714
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: of them are some of. Them are catapulty some of

1715
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: them he shooting up. Into the air sometimes the release is,

1716
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: quick and compact sometimes it's drawn out like the the

1717
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: there is and this is one of the Downsides of

1718
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: like so let me Let Me use trey johnson as, An,

1719
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: example HERE sam because i think this is a really

1720
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: fascinating basketball concept for young players. To work on tough

1721
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: shot making doesn't mean you're, you're taking really really. Difficult

1722
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: jump shots it almost always means you're doing something really

1723
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: difficult before, the jump shot and then you're taking your.

1724
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: Normal jump shot there might be, a slight fade, a

1725
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: slight drift but, more or less the energy transfer and

1726
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: the rise and fire should pretty closely mimic what you

1727
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: do in a catch. And shoot situation AND that's what

1728
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: I get When. I'm watching trey i'm watching a player

1729
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: who utilizes footwork and dribble combinations to get separations so

1730
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: that He Can take trey johnson's jump shot. Every single

1731
01:26:54,360 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: time whereas with ace it almost feels like the almost

1732
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 1: feels like everything up to the tip of the release

1733
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: is different on a possession, by POSSESSION basis and i

1734
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: think that. LEADS to streakiness i think that having a

1735
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 1: consistent form that you lean on leads, to more consistency

1736
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: whereas like for the, FOR the record i think this

1737
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: is a big Part of why lebron has had so

1738
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 1: many changes in terms of like his consistency as a

1739
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: jump shooter in his career and why he's. Been so

1740
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: streaky lebron tweaks his release. Every damn year, within the

1741
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: year sometimes two. Or three, times, it's, like oh oh,

1742
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: it's twenty Fifteen. We're, watching lebron wait he's not taking a.

1743
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Jump shot anymore he's taking. A set shot like? What's

1744
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: this about like, you're just like but, that's The. Thing

1745
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: and lebron lebron paid the price for that by, Being

1746
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: you know lebron's a better jump shooter than he, gets

1747
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: credit for but he was somewhat inconsistent and streaky is

1748
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: a jump shooter in his career because he fucked with

1749
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: his form. All THE time and i think there's a

1750
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: little Bit, Of like ace ace needs to build his

1751
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: game around a jump shot and then the separation that,

1752
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: leads to it rather than it almost feel like, each

1753
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: jump shot each move has its, own jump shot if.

1754
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: THAT makes sense i completely agree with exactly what. You're

1755
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 2: saying here but the other, piece, of this though is

1756
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: that this all feeds into the idea for me That

1757
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: nothing that ace does is easy on. The Basketball Court

1758
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 2: like jason tatum was a guy that got like kind

1759
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 2: of pigeonholed with us a Little, bit at duke he

1760
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 2: would still find like easy shots at the rim from, time,

1761
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 2: To time right and part Of What's made jason tatum

1762
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: so SPECTACULAR in the nba is that he finds easy

1763
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 2: shots at the rim from. Time to time he will

1764
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 2: take guys into the post and use his footwork to

1765
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 2: be able to like just beat guys to spots and

1766
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 2: then be able to get like a lay up at

1767
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: the rim on a drop. Step, Or, something right like

1768
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: he is really good at utilizing the mismatch nightmare idea

1769
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: of being. A Mismatch threat ace bailey does, not do

1770
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: that and that's. My main worry so doesn't really get

1771
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 2: to the rim, all that often takes under two shots

1772
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: at the, rim, per game right because he's very high

1773
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 2: waisted and the handle is, not very good and he's

1774
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: the handle is very high because he's. So HIGH waisted

1775
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: like i remember talking to a team That was playing

1776
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: rutgers early, in the year, they, were like yeah like

1777
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 2: what would you do To Slow. Down ace bailey, I'D

1778
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: be like i would just send a dig every single time.

1779
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: THAT he drives i would send nail help every single time.

1780
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 2: That he DRIVES, and either a you will force a

1781
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: turnover because you will get into his handle and it'll,

1782
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: be A problem or b you will force a Mid

1783
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Range jumper and i'm good with that at the end

1784
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: of The Day. From ace bailey and he doesn't process

1785
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: it quickly enough to be able to make the same

1786
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: side kickout off of like the, same, Side, help right

1787
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: like just send, It every time. It'll be fine and

1788
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: you look at the percentages, At, the rim like what

1789
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 2: Do You think ace bailey shot on? Layups, THIS year JASON.

1790
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: I THINK i think i, saw it today forty forty.

1791
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Two on layups he's six seven with a seven foot

1792
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: wingspan and, is like athletic like he. Is real athleticism

1793
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 2: that's insane that he. Shot that low he Shot Like with,

1794
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: jeremiah fears shot who's like one of the worst finishers in, this,

1795
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 2: Draft class right like it's. Really really wild and then

1796
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: like all of this is before we get, to, the,

1797
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: defense where man there are games. Where HE'S unbelievable LIKE

1798
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: i think i thought he was so Good in the alabama,

1799
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 2: Game ON defense like i thought he was amazing early.

1800
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: IN the season i don't know if he's realized that

1801
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 2: there were a crazy number of scouts in the, building

1802
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. Because there were but like. He was awesome he,

1803
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 2: was super switchable, he was aggressive he was. Engaged in

1804
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 2: help like he had. LIKE three blocks i think he

1805
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: had like a, Seal or two like he was really

1806
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: really good. In that game and then like in the

1807
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: middle of, big ten play, it, Was like yeah i'm

1808
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 2: just not. Gonnattack, This guy yeah i'm not gonna. Make

1809
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: this rotation maybe he's just like. Not seeing. It you

1810
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: know teams really started, to hammer him, realizing that okay

1811
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: he's if you run like an, action at him either

1812
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 2: he's just not gonna like take the time to, think

1813
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 2: through it or like not gonna be focused enough to

1814
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: be able to, think through it or he's, just not,

1815
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 2: gonna you know make the right read and you're. Gonna

1816
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 2: BE fine so i worry about that piece of it

1817
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 2: for him, TO on, defense i mean look like all

1818
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 2: of these things is like the ceiling is that he

1819
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 2: can be the second best player in, This draft class

1820
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 2: like if it, all goes right his ability to get

1821
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 2: to special jump shots off of step backs and pull

1822
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 2: ups and, things like that it's a, Genuinely elite skill

1823
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 2: like the creation of those jumpers is an incredible gift, that,

1824
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 2: He has right but there it's just such a house of, cards, To,

1825
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: me MAN like like i ease AT six if i

1826
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 2: was on, The TEAM side like i would not BE

1827
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: even if i had like, SEVEN or eight i probably

1828
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like banging the table, For, ace honestly like

1829
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: it's just not my kind of player at the end.

1830
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 2: Of THE day and i understand that he has. REAL

1831
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: star upside, i understand that like all of these. Things

1832
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: can improve i'll, say this too like you're probably not

1833
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 2: in the, weeds on this but like the way he's

1834
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 2: handled his pre draft process has, been completely bonkers and,

1835
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: like that shit the kid is like a. Really nice

1836
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: kid He's like everything, I've been told like the intel

1837
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 2: on that side is like. Really nice kid teammates, Really

1838
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: like him. Like good kid don't take the pre draft

1839
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 2: process that his agents and representation are kind of sorting

1840
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 2: through right now and applying it to the KID is

1841
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 2: what i would tell people like he's, he's, not that

1842
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: like he's not. A bad kid it's just that there's

1843
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 2: like a lot to, work THROUGH here and i do

1844
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: wonder if, he's you know getting the bad getting really

1845
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: bad advice, On some things like there's A lot of

1846
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 2: i have a lot of worries kind of. Across, THE board.

1847
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah i was gonna say something similar, in terms OF

1848
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: like if i was, RUNNING a team i just am

1849
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: not sure that the gamble is the kind Of thing

1850
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: that i'm trying. To build around, in that sense there's

1851
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: you'd have to be in a specific time. Type of

1852
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: situation you'd have to be in a position as a

1853
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: franchise where there's quite literally no hope where, you, feel

1854
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: like oh we are going to be bad for the

1855
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: next several years and there's NO like if i look

1856
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: At this and I'm, Looking at, Philly, i'm like okay

1857
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: well they're trying TO. Rebuild around embiid they're obviously not

1858
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 1: going to jump for. Something like that charlotte like finally

1859
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 1: got a little exciting and interesting towards you know at various,

1860
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: points this, year like, Uh you know utah kind of

1861
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: already has a guy of that like kind of shot

1862
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: chucking ilk in house. Already right now washington literally just

1863
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: had their most interesting end of the season in the

1864
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: last couple of years with some. Interesting young players you

1865
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: don't want to. Mess with that there's not really a

1866
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: team that screams off the surface that makes a ton

1867
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: of sense if you. HAD to guess i Mean my

1868
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: as i'm looking at, THE lottery here i, look, at

1869
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: like like Is it a is It like a brooklyn

1870
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: who has? NOWHERE to, go i.

1871
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: Mean like simply just has a lot of like bots,

1872
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 2: Up for grabs like they have like five guys, on

1873
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 2: the roster YOU know, What i mean and they have

1874
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: all the CAP space like I Would. UNDERSTAND brooklyn washington

1875
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 2: i think you can easily make a. Case for it

1876
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: Washington is where i'm. MOCKED right now i think that

1877
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense for them to just

1878
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: at least try it and see what. It looks like

1879
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 2: they do need like a. WING shot creator I LOVE

1880
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 2: ballall Like i think blakoulabali is gonna be like a

1881
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: real winning basketball player for a long time because of

1882
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: how good he, is ON defense and i think the

1883
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 2: shot will continue. To come along, BUT you know i

1884
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 2: don't see ballall as like a shot creator. Long term

1885
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: either and if you told me that your wing duo

1886
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 2: long Term Can be ace, bailey and blah and then

1887
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: You Have, like keishawn george and then you in the

1888
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: backcourt You have BUB. CARRINGTON. And a j johnson, and

1889
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 2: you know taking flyers on all. Of these guys that

1890
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: seems pretty. Interesting to me that feels like the right.

1891
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: His Length next to alex makes makes, Some sense too

1892
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: and just in terms of overall, wings.

1893
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Totally right, By, the way like while, We're Talking here

1894
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 2: daniel gafford is signing, a three year sixty million dollar Contract.

1895
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 2: Extension with dallas?

1896
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 3: What?

1897
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,879
Speaker 1: Why why what like does that come with a restriction

1898
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: on Their ability to are They?

1899
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: Gonna trade derek was, My, immediate reaction like are they

1900
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 2: gonna like look to move lively for like A star

1901
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 2: like wang or something like are you gonna try and

1902
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 2: move Lively For like austin reeves or? Something, like, that like.

1903
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah you'd have to move lively for this to, make,

1904
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: any Sense right because gafford won't be tradable until after

1905
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: THE season or i guess he'll be trade. About the

1906
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: deadline he'll be tradeable.

1907
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 2: With, The deadline yeah but like that's. An interesting one

1908
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 2: it's NOT one that, I, Uh.

1909
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: So okay well they're certainly gonna take him, into camp,

1910
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: now so okay so they're Going to take gafford into.

1911
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Camp for sure Cooper ad probably lively right unless they move.

1912
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 2: Him, this summer Again the only lively deal that makes

1913
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: sense to me is If you're Doing, lively for REEVES

1914
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 2: because like i can see a case for, that both ways, Where,

1915
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 2: it's like okay Let's go, get luca's, big You know,

1916
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Rim runner big let's go, get you Know, if you're

1917
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 2: dallas let's go get a guy who can play on

1918
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: the ball this year and then shifts playing off The

1919
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: ball with kyrie next year and can like help. Share

1920
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 2: those duties both of those guys are really good at

1921
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 2: playing off, the ball, again you know next two. Star

1922
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 2: level creators that's. Been my favorite like fake trade on

1923
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: the market now for A while Is. Lively FOR reeves but.

1924
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: I want to expand that trade to somehow include. A

1925
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: second starter i've been having my eye on. That as

1926
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 1: well on my one hang Up with TRADING austin is

1927
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: i don't Want to Trade austin unless i'm bringing back

1928
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: a Ball handler because lebron will retire or two, high

1929
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: level starters meaning Like if it's LIVELY, and like pj

1930
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of Sense. For the lakers but

1931
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: if they could somehow work out some sort of deal

1932
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: where they get another starting caliber two or three an

1933
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: athlete at the two or three That plays, at AUSTIN'S

1934
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: position because i just don't think it makes a bunch

1935
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: of sense for them To bring in lively and then

1936
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: just have a glaring hole at.

1937
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 2: The, the funniest answer, it's Obvious Here send Max, Christie,

1938
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Back brownie james I've.

1939
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 1: Sen, oh max yeah see This is. What, i'm saying Yeah,

1940
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: give me Max give Me max and derek if, we're talking, Now, We're,

1941
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: talking okay yeah.

1942
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 2: Look this is all this, Is all fake like we're,

1943
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 2: all just, like you. Know guessing, HERE but yeah I

1944
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 2: mean the gafford, three to sixty that's a. That's a, deal,

1945
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: that's something man That's not that's i'll.

1946
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: Say this though starting CENTER in the nba makes twenty.

1947
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Million these days like that's just like it's it's just

1948
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: it's like if you're if you're in the middle, of

1949
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: the pack like if you're between center number eleven and TWENTY,

1950
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: in the nba you're.

1951
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 2: Making twenty five but isn't the whole idea here That,

1952
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 2: if you're dallas Like You have derek lively who's making

1953
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 2: like six million for the, next two years and that

1954
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: that's like your ability to stay cheap for the. Next,

1955
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:56,520
Speaker 2: two years.

1956
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah how do you think they managed to leverage go into? Making?

1957
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: THAT deal, now i mean like Anybody's guests, On, Nico's

1958
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 2: SIDE uh. LIKE i don't i don't have a great sense.

1959
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: OF that, necessarily i mean he Is, repped by clutch

1960
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 2: so like there could be some like discussion THERE with

1961
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 2: like ad and. STUFF like, that, i mean, look like

1962
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 2: again It's not that gaffer isn't. WORTH this deal i

1963
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 2: think he is, worth this deal if, to, BE honest

1964
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 2: like i think he's probably right around a twenty million dollars.

1965
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 2: A year player it's just That that's a it doesn't

1966
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 2: make a whole lot of sense to me roster wise

1967
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: when You Already have derek Lively and like ad is

1968
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 2: gonna have to close some games, at, The FIVE right

1969
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 2: like i get that they don't want to play a

1970
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 2: d full time. At the five that makes, SENSE to,

1971
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 2: Me i guess but like he's gonna have to close

1972
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 2: some games at the five at, The very least so,

1973
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 2: YOU'RE talking probably, i don't know eight to ten minutes

1974
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 2: a game of a d at the. Five at least

1975
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: and then If you're signing gaffer do a twenty million dollar,

1976
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 2: a year deal you're expecting to play twenty four, minutes

1977
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: a game probably twenty five, Minutes a game so that

1978
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 2: leaves ten to fifteen minutes A Game. For derek lively, and,

1979
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 2: it's like well he's, better than That and Neither gaffer

1980
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 2: nor lively can, play the four so what. Are we doing.

1981
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,440
Speaker 1: Derek is better at defending on switches by. A considerable

1982
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: margin i actually think he's a little better. Rimp PROTECTOR

1983
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: too But i think. Daniel's fine there the, main, Thing

1984
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: is like i'm With. YOU like daniel's i had to

1985
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 1: reconfigure my entire approach around the starting center market last

1986
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: summer When we saw hartenstein, Get over thirty gober, got

1987
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Over thirty or hartenstein was, just under Thirty but like

1988
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: claxton ended up getting like twenty seven or, something like

1989
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: THAT and then, i, was, like oh like if you're

1990
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: a starting CENTER, in the nba you're getting, over twenty

1991
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: million like this is. How this works BUT it's, like

1992
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 1: i thought the whole, point of them in their predicament

1993
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Is don't you you're supposed to be the one that

1994
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: doesn't Have to pay. Daniel like that that's because, of

1995
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: your predicament because of the. SITUATION you're in i do

1996
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: Wonder if because lively was banged up a little, bit last,

1997
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: year And uh because lively was a, little banged up

1998
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: and because he didn't play super well when he was

1999
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: available to, end Last year maybe nico's off of his

2000
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: scent or. Something like that But if if nico's dumb

2001
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: Enough to send derek Over, to the lakers we would

2002
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: be happy. TO take him i.

2003
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 2: CAN tell, you, i mean look you Better believe that

2004
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 2: nico right now is probably fielding a number Of Calls,

2005
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 2: about derek LIVELY wondering from Nba, teams like hey what's?

2006
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Going on here like what? Are we? Doing, what's happening

2007
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: yeah let's let's all the head, up, over that right

2008
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 2: like like popping up, over, the, fence, Like, hey hey derek,

2009
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: you out there like? What's going on. ABSOLUTELY call, it

2010
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 2: i mean like the other funny thing, about that is,

2011
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: BY the way I believe that derek is Also. REPPED

2012
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 2: by clutch.

2013
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: I, think You're right so i'm not one.

2014
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 2: Hundred, PERCENT sure yeah I believe that derek is Also,

2015
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: repped by clutch, which, Means That like i'm i'm interested

2016
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 2: to know going on maybe like maybe this is like

2017
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 2: killing two birds. With one stone this. Is total speculation do.

2018
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Not aggregate this for The, love OF god when, i

2019
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 2: Say this and i'm like totally just like saying things and,

2020
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 2: CONNECTING dots here. I do not i have not talked to. Anybody,

2021
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 2: about this again do. NOT aggregate this i say. This.

2022
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 2: MULTIPLE times uh i wonder if they're looking, At, it

2023
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 2: like okay we can kill two birds with, one stone

2024
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 2: Here let's, get gafford paid and then Maybe we get

2025
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 2: derek To play with lebron or like play with like another.

2026
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: Guy, like That oh like clutch is playing both. SIDES

2027
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: of it i see. What, you're, Saying yeah Yeah i'll

2028
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,479
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2029
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,920
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2030
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,439
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2031
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2032
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,160
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2033
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:49,920
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2034
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2035
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2039
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