WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Daylight Saving Time Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.240 Hi, everybody. Chuck here with How Daylight Savings Time works 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.479 my select pick of the week from December six, two 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.200 thousand and eleven. And in real time, we have just 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.000 sort of recently done the opposite where we fall back 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.320 with our clocks annually, which is kind of a depressing 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.440 time of the year, to be honest, means on your 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.360 clock it's dark really early. Then, on the other hand, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.600 is light a little bit earlier in the day, and 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.320 daylight savings time and the whole concept of it, it's 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.080 always just been a little weird to me, and there 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.159 are many false rumors out there about why we do it, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.559 how it started. In this episode will clear it all up, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:50.639 So please to enjoy How Daylight Savings Time Works. Welcome 0:00:50.680 --> 0:01:00.000 to Stuff You Should Know from house Stuff Works dot com. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.680 M hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:08.960 There's Charles have you, Chuck Bryant, He's on his iPhone. Chuck, No, no, uh, 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.680 that makes this stuff you should know? Huh the fully 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:18.160 attentive podcast. You're saying, Yeah, I can't really say anything. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.360 You always say stuff and then I repeat it like 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.320 thirty seconds later and then get a look of death 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.880 from the Chuck, we'd like to cover our bases twice. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:32.080 Sometimes it's important stuff like you know, um, the digestion 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:38.200 that's right, that thing which comes out next right? All right? Introman, Oh, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.479 I'm sorry? Am I am? I stalling? Yeah? Okay, frankly, Chuck, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:48.000 have you ever heard of a methuselah? Trust? No, but 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:54.200 I have something being old? Uh, well you're not old. Instead, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:58.480 I say, a bequeathment grant that you've put in a 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:05.200 an account earning compound interest for five hundred or a 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:10.880 thousand or a hundred years, should conceivably were it's still legal, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.680 grow into a staggering amount of money, very like, very quickly. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.440 For example, UM, there was a guy who you might 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:25.080 have heard of named Ben Franklin, Benny Ben Franklin. Uh. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.560 In his will left a thousand pounds each to the 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.360 city of Boston in the city of Philadelphia, both of 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:36.560 which he considered his hometowns UM. And these these moneys 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.840 were meant to stay in a private trust that earned 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:46.320 compound interests, and by Franklin's reckoning, UM, within so after 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.080 a hundred years in eighteen ninety that it was supposed 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.800 to be cracked open, a bit was supposed to be 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.400 taken out and then the rest was supposed to be 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:59.720 left in until years after his death. So by his reckoning, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.880 it would each city would get about the equivalent six 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:08.000 million dollars apiece uh by which is when it was 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.560 supposed to and and finally mature. Um. It didn't quite 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.360 work out. Franklin's calculations. Didn't take a new account, lawsuits 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.600 to stop this, to stop the idea of him enthusela 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:24.440 trust in general, um, trustees, fees, lawyers, fees, all this stuff. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.000 So what it came down to was about three and 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.720 a half million each, So he was off the market 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.600 a little bit. But he made his point, which was, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.280 if you put a grand in and you have enough foresight, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.000 you can give some money to the city of Boston. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.200 Did that really happen? Yeah, they got there, They got 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.120 their three and a half mill Yeah each tounded um. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.800 What this demonstrate is probably more than anything, though, is 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.240 that Franklin was, above all else an idea man. Right. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.520 He was pretty good. I mean he invented spectacles. He 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.520 had like some really good uh some good inventions under 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.520 his belt, the electric kite. But more than anything else, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.480 he was all about ideas. And he was more aware 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.080 than anybody that his ideas weren't always He didn't see 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.120 him through to fruition all the time. Not not all 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.920 ideas were meant to be. But another good example of 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.640 that is his idea for daylight savings time. He was 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.159 the guy that came up with this saving daylight saving time. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.440 I think most people say savings, but it is in 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.599 fact saving, but we're gonna mess up and say savings, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.880 so yeah, just prepare for that, s people. Franklin was 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.640 an ambassador to France four, which is a pretty crushed 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.600 job back then. I'm sure the Enlightenment. Come on, it's 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:43.240 a job now. Um woke up one morning all this 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:49.560 uh fellow per Parisians were sleeping, and he said, hey, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.680 we should change the time and get these people up earlier. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.719 Did he talk like he was from New Jersey. He 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:00.000 basically proposed it in an article, but it's generally dismissed 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.479 this satire. But it wasn't a real idea, right. His 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.240 whole idea was to um that basically everybody was like 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.479 sleeping in late while it was still daylight and then 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.279 staying up late long after sunset. It was a waste 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.840 of daylight. A great way to fix this is to say, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.760 let's get everybody up at the crack of dawn, and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.120 we'll do that by shooting off cannons that wake everybody up. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.960 It was sort of a jab at the French, a 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.480 friendly jab. Well, he was a friend of the French, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.520 but like I said, generally dismissed his satire. Not really 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.599 like the seed of the idea for daylight savings. No, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.720 but other people about a hundred or so years later 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.480 came up with similar things and they meant it. And 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.479 it's I don't know if we can say that Franklin 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.960 didn't mean it, but he was just he he didn't 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.960 think it was a very important idea necessarily, but it's 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.480 so ingrained in our society here in the United States, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.679 here in North America, and most likely if you're listening 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.719 to this in Europe or Australia, you know what we're 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.280 talking about all over the world. Really, um that it it? 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.360 You're you're kind of like, oh, yeah, daylight savings. I mean, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.440 it's peculiar, but of course we're going to do it. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.280 Of course it makes sense. Um. These this is from 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.159 people who really can't even tell you whether it's spring 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.000 forward or fall back. So let's let's set that straight 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.600 right now, because I think if we just stopped there 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.919 and said it is spring forward where you said the 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.560 clock forward an hour, and it's fall back where you 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.400 said the clock back an hour, we've just done a 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:35.640 tremendous public service. People really not remember that. I'm among them. Really, Yeah, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.200 I will always remember it now because I've studied this article. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.520 But no, I always had trouble with it. Well, that's 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.280 why they say spring forward fall back. You can also 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:54.559 fall forward and spring back. You can't spring back. Hold on, Josh, Josh, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.159 just sprung back, sprung back. All right, Well, here's the 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:01.760 other public service announcement here in the US. Second Sunday 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.880 in March you're gonna spring forward. The first Sunday in 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.719 November you're gonna fall back. I didn't know that because 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.200 every year I'm on the internet's going, well, when do 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.520 we do this? When do we do it? I didn't. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.000 I thought it fluctuated. Second Sunday in March, first Sunday 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.080 in November. Boom, Yeah, I thought it fluctuated as well. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.000 It's yeah, um, it's standard now thanks to a lot 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.920 of um legislation. That's taken place over the over the 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.360 years here in the United States, um most recently, the 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.760 Energy Policy Act of two thousand five set the rules 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.000 as you just describe them. Right. We should also say, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.840 chuck to our friends in South America, you have the opposite. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.520 We're not exactly sure when it starts for you, but 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.920 we can tell you that you do spring forward and 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:56.160 fall back. No, fall forward and spring back, because it's 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.800 the the seasons are the opposite. So they go on 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.600 to daylight savings time in the fall and then change it. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.000 They go off of it in the spring. And also 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:14.560 one more thing, Uh, daylight saving time, right is not 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.880 I find it confusing in that the mind wants to 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.560 say it's it's like daylight time saving. It's like daylight 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:29.320 saving time, right, like your time saving. But really it's 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.280 daylight saving time, so it's like a period of the year. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.200 So I've always had trouble wrapping my mind around how 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.000 they're just saving daylight. Everything about this is so confounding. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.400 I know because I'm one of those people that's like 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.920 what the clock says is arbitrary in a way. Unless 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.640 you have a shift job, you would have made a 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.480 great farmer. Yeah, that's kind of bunk too, from what 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.680 I hear. Okay, so let's talk about this, man. Um. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.520 You just gave the deets on when to do it. Um. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.880 In the United States, it's the Energy Policy Act of 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.360 two thousand five that establishes that. But if you are 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.800 Arizona or Hawaii or Guam, and you say, I don't 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.360 want this to apply to me, already feel cut off 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.640 enough from this country, Um, from the rest of the world. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.840 I'm going to apply for an exemption. You're probably gonna 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.880 get it. Yeah. Indiana has had a mixed history with 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.760 daylight saving. Uh. They've kind of fluctuated back and forth 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.160 over the years, and at times only some counties had 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.720 it and some didn't, and they finally went all in. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.640 I think it doesn't six recently. Yeah, if you're an 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.360 Indiana you know what I'm talking about. Um, And it's 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.439 not just the United States. Apparently, as a two thousand 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.240 and eight, seventy six countries observed daylight savings time. They 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.079 also seventy, but I don't know which sources newer, So 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.439 we'll go with seventy to seventy six. Just after reading this, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.520 I could see six countries falling. Yeah, I mean it's 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.160 a very it's a surprisingly contentious thing setting the clock 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.280 back an hour basically. I saw one source that calls 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.599 it the arrogance of humanity to to set time period well, no, 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.360 to adjust the clock. It's like it is now two 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.840 and not one, right exactly, and it is a little 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.520 bit loony if you think about it. Um. I think Japan, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.559 India and China are the only major industrialized nations who 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.400 do not observe. And it's getting more and more difficult 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:40.800 to to, um be a country like that in this 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:46.000 globalized world to not daylight savings. So, I mean it's 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.000 kind of problematic. Sure, yeah, imagine that's why most countries 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.440 do it now, well not most, but a lot. So. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:58.240 Europe has long observed what's called summertime. Um, but it 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.679 wasn't until the EU said, hey, let's all just stop 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:09.080 this patchwork thing. Here's the standards now, um and it's uh. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.880 The European Union says it runs from daylight saving time. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.480 The time of daylight saving summertime. Yeah, it's the last 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.560 Sunday in March of the last Sunday in October. That's 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:52.320 the the EU. Yeah, good for them. No, um, we 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.680 you mentioned earlier than another couple of guys that proposed 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:00.240 this um. One of them was a New Zealander named 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:05.559 George Vernon Hudson, and he was actually the first dude 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.320 to genuinely propose this, and he gets overlooked a lot 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.960 of time by the other guy we'll talk about. But 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:17.559 Hudson was an entomologist and astronomer and he had a 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.400 shift job that allowed him I guess he worked at 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.560 night because allowed him extra daylight hours that his friends 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.880 weren't getting to go out and hunt for bugs. And 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.160 he was like this is great. He's like, we ought 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:33.040 to really try and do this. But William Willett of 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.480 England is the guy that a lot of people credit 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.080 with it, and I think it's because it was kind 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:42.360 of his passion in life, Like he really really tried 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.520 to get this push through. Yeah, he was an avid 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.320 golfer and his whole premise for it was that it 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.560 would extend time for leisure after work, After everybody got 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.360 done working for the day, there's still daylight hours. The 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.400 links um and he wrote a pamphlet that's online. It's 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.320 called The Waste of Daylight. It's online and it's in already. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.000 If you searched that, um, and he lobbied the House 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.160 of Commons to institute this, and in nineteen o eight 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.400 they officially said na. But he kept lobbying him until 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.439 his death and I think the twenties died in nine 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.840 fifteen actually, so he did not get to see it 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.080 because a year later, insultingly enough, a year later, it was. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.480 It was brought on in England thanks to a little 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.960 something called World War One. Yeah, and actually it was 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.440 Germany that was the first country to ever institute daylight 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.080 savings time. Yeah, they called it wartime though, Yeah, so 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:39.760 did FDR later on. Yeah, um, but the Germans, the 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.760 Germans started it. The English quickly saw the value in 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.320 it and they started it. And it was all the 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:49.280 preserved coal supplies during the war, um, because if you 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.880 are were up earlier, you'd be tired earlier and you 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.680 wouldn't stay up as late earning precious coal needed to 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.679 pound the Kaiser into oblivion. That's right. And uh, a 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.559 lot of a lot of nations got on board because 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.400 of World War One, thirty one in total, including the US, 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.000 and then World War Two. Well after the war, I 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.800 think most of these countries got rid of it. It 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.720 was just for war. And then World War two came around, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.160 the same thing happened, but in more abundance. Fifty two 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.920 nations this time, right in the US actually kept daylight 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.400 savings year round for three full years uninterrupted from what 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:33.560 is it February September nine. And apparently FDR he called 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.440 it war time too. He had no problem with it. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.120 He was just going to leave it like that indefinitely. Um. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:44.920 And he finally acquiesced to farmers, which, um, if you 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.920 know much about farmers at that era, they were really 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:55.040 effective at striking, overturning like um, scab trucks, and like 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.240 dealing with communists, like being pro communist um. And they 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.280 were a force to be reckoned with. They called it 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.800 God's time, did they really? Yeah, we'll talk more about 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.520 the farmers in a minute. Um. Go on. Uh, Well, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.760 we we had it for three years solid, like you said, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.520 and then after the war they said, you know what, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.680 you don't have to do it, but it's up to 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.560 your state if you want to keep doing this or not. 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.760 Some did, some didn't. So that's the history. Actually, no, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.800 it keeps going. In nineteen sixty six, history does keep going, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.040 doesn't it. So the States are. It's all patchwork and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.440 everybody's just kind of doing what however they want. But 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.440 we have this thing called the Interstate system that comes about, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.680 which links states more and more and there's more trade, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 and really people need to know what time it is 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.320 in another state that they're sending stuff to UM. So 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.880 the Uniform Time Act of nineteen sixty six finally said, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:50.960 you guys can decide whether you want to do it, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:52.360 but if you're gonna do it, you have to do 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.800 it along these guidelines UM. And it stayed that way 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:02.440 uninterrupted until except for the arab Um oil embargo, where 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.160 the US said, you know, we're gonna extend the daylight 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.520 savings to UM through winter as well. Yeah, I went 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.840 from six months to eight months in nineteen seventy three 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:19.600 because they found that doing so saved the equivalent of 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.600 ten thousand barrels of oil a day and six hundred 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.640 thousand in those two years. So that's what they said. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:34.320 It is is it true? Who knows about that? Definitely 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.800 up for debate. Whether it's say, ten thousand barrels of 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.360 oil a day, I'm sure it's for debate. The weird 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.560 thing about daylight savings is it's largely been intuitive for decades. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.120 It was practiced for decades before anybody finally put it 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.880 to the test. Right. Well, the whole point behind it 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:57.040 is this chuck that there are more people asleep at 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.880 sunrise and more businesses are closed at sunrise than at 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.639 and set. So if you look at electrical demand right um, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.880 as a whole over the course of a single day, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.399 you're gonna see in the afternoon, in the evening it 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.600 starts to peak if you take an hour. If you 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.720 take the whole day and shift it backward by an hour, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.359 people are gonna get up earlier, and it's going to 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.440 spread that electrical demand over the day. They're also gonna 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.640 go to bed earlier, so they're gonna use lamps less, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.760 they're gonna stay up less late to watch TV. Um, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.159 So the overall demand should decrease to And this is 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.360 the whole reason that daylight savings time has always been 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.520 UM kind of championed by most people. That's the whole 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.760 reason that they want you to think, Well, that's some 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.200 part of it. The other is to get people outside more. Yeah, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.240 I mean I read up on this and what I 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.080 found out was that it really comes down to money. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.200 They want you spending money more. Yeah, and that is 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.240 going to happen more if you're out and about dropping 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.440 or playing golf, exactly like the golf lobby. And EIGHTI 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.040 six the last time before two five, then anybody tinker 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.760 with it, Reagan said in Public Law ninety nine. He 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.440 started at the first Sunday in April, which was where 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.600 before in nineteen sixty six, that was from the last 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.240 Sunday in April, so a full month. He added to 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.560 daylight savings time. Um, But the golf lobby said that 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.760 an extra month or an extra hour. I think an 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.760 extra month was like four million dollars to just that 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.520 industry alone. I don't see there. Yeah, money talks, uh. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.000 And the reason I say that, that's the main reason 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.400 is because they've done studies. And in fact, in seventy 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.879 three when they did the oil embargo, they didn't just 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:47.000 study oil barrels, they studied utilities and they found that 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.320 it's a pretty negligible difference about one percent energy savings. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.200 But that's for the whole country. That's a lot. That 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.320 is a substantial amount of that's a lot. See I 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.159 read it's a negligible, So say so say it is 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.360 one percent. Say it is negligible, but say that it's 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.359 zero percent. If you don't do anything, you automatically have said, well, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.200 there's a there's a savings and energy, especially in this 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:18.760 eco conscious society that we're growing into. Um, that's it 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.800 right there, Okay, daylight saving time. Do it. You will 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.600 save one percent of all the energy expended. Fine, do it. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.320 It's better than not. Right, What else could possibly go wrong? 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.560 And I was very surprised from this article to find 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:36.000 that there's actually counter arguments todaylight saving time. Well, yeah, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.600 because they basically I think people have challenge these studies. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.760 That's what I've seen. In two thousand one, they did 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.600 another study the California did where they actually doubled it 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.600 to a two hour shift, and in the end they 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:54.359 found that electricity savings of about point oh three for 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.959 the year, right, which is substantially less, But you can 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.920 also say it's still better than nothing. Why not just 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.679 do it. There's also other arguments to things like, um, 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.440 there's fewer traffic accidents in the evenings because it's lighter out, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.280 that's what they say on the evening commute. UM crime 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.240 is decreased because criminals preferred darkness and if you're out 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.800 taking a walk after work and it's light out still, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.280 you're probably not going to get mugged. Um. And then 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.240 of course the golf industry said everybody needs to get 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.800 off their rears and get outside and play more golf, 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.960 golf fever catch it and um, they are big on 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.040 that as well. Well, I got most of my info. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:40.280 You should know from that skeptward guy. Let's hear it, Dunning. Well, no, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.000 that's what he said. He said, basically, it's all about money. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:44.679 He said, don't be fooled into thinking this is some 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:49.240 energy plan. And he said that the numbers are suspect. 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.240 And then it really comes down to spending money as 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.800 a as a consumer. I'm sure it does. But the other, 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.720 the other aspect of it, the you know, who's the 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.920 big against it now these days? They used to be farmers. Well, 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.800 he said, that's bunk took everything though. So here's the thing, farmers. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.520 From what I understand, it used to be farmers. And 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.840 I've seen this elsewhere that farmers had a problem with 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.640 it because daylight savings added a day and an hour 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.080 under their day. They had to get up with the 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.199 with the at the crack of dawn no matter what 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.199 time it was. So if it was actually if they 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.840 had an extra hour, they had to extend their business 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.840 hours because they had to deal with the public who 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.880 was running on an hour later time. So farmers hated 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.560 daylight savings and they railed against it. That's my understanding 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.119 with modern technology that that where a lot of the 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.679 farm processes are automated, they don't have to worry about 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:44.040 the the sun time or God's time as much. They're 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.959 not as opposed to it. The problem is with airlines 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.200 now when they're flying to places that don't have daylight savings, 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.320 they apparently have a lot more trouble getting a slot 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.119 at an airport when the time doesn't quite match up 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.240 because the airport's we're not going to the trouble of 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.160 figuring this out. Go lobby your government to stop screwing 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.440 with time. So apparently those that's the big industry that's 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.040 opposed daylight savings right now. Interesting. Yeah, um, Like I said, though, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.760 he's that's his job. He's the skeptalid debunking. He said. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.159 The farmer thing is he thinks is somewhat of a 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.159 myth because he can't find any He said, all the 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.440 sources are the exact same and he can't find any 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.159 like origin source that he thinks is valid. That's a 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.360 that's a pretty good evidence that something is a myth. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.840 But he's trying to prove a negative. He should be 0:22:34.840 --> 0:23:08.520 opposed to that. Maybe he is. Huh m hm uh. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.720 There was a new study though, um recently by a 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:15.000 guy named Matthew Coaching. He's an economist at cal Gobarts 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.879 and um, you know, I said, Indiana has kind of 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.640 been back and forth over the years, with like half 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.879 the state doing it. When they finally went all in 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.840 and oh six, he said, hey, it's a great opportunity 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.720 to check this out and study it. And he found 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.840 that it led to a one percent rise. He figured 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:39.080 that lamp usage went down overall across the daylight savings, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.879 but that there is a peak in energy demand that 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.680 was an increase over when you don't observe daylight savings 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.720 in the fall when it was cold in Indiana in 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.960 the form of heating, like people had their heat went 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.200 up because they weren't under the blankets as early as 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.879 when they when they just observe standard time year round. 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.480 And that act really cost nine million dollars for the state. Well, 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.440 I think that's part of dunning thing too, is these 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.960 studies that were done in the seventies, they didn't have 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.800 you know, computers and iPods and Blu ray players, and 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:15.960 we have way more things besides lamps these days to 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.440 take into account, and air conditioners and things like that. 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.359 So he's saying it's kind of an outdated there are 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.920 no lamps in the seventies and outdated model. The U 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.320 and daylight savings Chuck also kind of strikes me as 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.440 like a really good example of for every action there's 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:36.000 an equal and opposite reaction, so like there's fewer fender 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:40.600 benders during the evening commute. But apparently parents are also 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.199 like parents groups are also a post daylight savings in 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:48.560 part because kids accidents involving kids waiting for the bus 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:53.480 in the darker mornings increase really and then crime goes 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.160 down during the summer, but then it increases in the fall. 0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.000 Now there's no there's no figures to support that necessarily, 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.679 but there's also the only study ever conducted about how 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:09.280 daylight savings creates a decrease in crime was a single 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.919 study of the District District of Columbia in the seventies 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.520 that found a ten percent reduction, but no one's ever 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.120