1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, January twenty sixth, and Yay, 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: the artist formerly known as Kanye West has taken out 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: a full page Maya Kulpa, pleading with the public to 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: forgive him for all of those controversies, all of those 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: hurtful and hateful words over the past several years, and 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: also pointing directly to a medical issue that caused him 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: to behave that way. Welcome everybody to this episode of 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Robes. This is going to be a 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: difficult one for people to deal with because I take 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: it very sincerely is how it came off. But it's 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: a lot to overcome. A lot of what he said. 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Yes, it seems very sincere and heartfelt. He's got a 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: couple of issues. It's hard to undo hurtful things you've 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: said that you've put in print. But also the timing. 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: He has a problem with the timing of this apology, 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: this full page add that he took out. 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into that. And again, it 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: came out today Wall Street Journal, a full page ad 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: that's out. And what we're gonna do here, folks, is 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: we're going to go through it line by line. It 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: is long it will take a second to read it 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: to you, but we are. We're just going to take 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: in line by line here and then we'll do a 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: little more I guess, breaking down at the end of it. 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: But a lot of folks will remember, I guess it's 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: been a decade plus. It seemed like Robes. He has 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: been a social pariah, and not just a matter of 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: some erratic behavior. We used to maybe a celebrity getting 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: the dui or getting arrested here or there. No, he 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: has said, as a reminder here of Ropes, some pretty 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: horrific things in support of Hitler selling stuff online with 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: swastikas on it. We're talking about some pretty horrific. 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: He has a song that's literally called entitled hyl Hitler 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: that's been banned in Germany. So, yes, this wasn't a 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: mistake or he misspoke, or he said something he shouldn't 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: have or posted something out of anger. He has had 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: a series of missteps of behavior that have pointed to 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: anti Semitic behavior certainly just hateful speech in general. 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: All right, and we as we know, he lost almost everything, 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: I want to say everything, at least endorsements and whatnot, 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: not talking about what money he might have in the bank, 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: but he lost. Adidas was a very, very big one 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: and very high profile, but everybody ran from him, including 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: a lot of celebrities who had been standing up for 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: him and standing next to him. But this is what 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: he wrote, and it started with this to those I've hurt. 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Twenty five years ago, I was in a car accident 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that broke my jaw and caused injury to the right 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: frontal lobe of my brain. At the time, the focus 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: was on the visible damage, the fracture of the swelling 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: and the immediate physical trauma. The deeper injury, the one 52 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: inside my skull, went unnoticed. 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: He goes on to say comprehensive scans were not done, 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: neurological exams were limited, and the possibility of a frontal 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: lobe injury was never raised. It was not properly diagnosed 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: until twenty twenty three. That medical oversight caused serious damage 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: to my mental health and led to my bipolar type 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: one diagnosis. 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: He continues, Bipolar disorder comes with its own defense system denial. 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: When your manic, you don't think you're sick, you think 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: everyone else is overreacting. You feel like you're seeing the 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: world more clearly than ever, when in reality you're losing 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: your grip entirely. 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: Once people label you as crazy, you feel as if 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: you cannot contribute anything meaningful to the world. It is 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: easy for people to joke and laugh it off, when 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: in fact this is a very serious, debilitating disease you 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: can die from. According to the World Health Organization and 69 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: Cambridge University, people with bipolar disorder have a life expectancy 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: that is shortened by ten to fifteen years on average, 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: and a two time to three time higher all cause 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: mortality rate than the general population. This is on par 73 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: with severe heart disease, type one, diabetes, HIV, and cancer, 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: all lethal and fatal if left untreated. 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: The scariest thing about this disorder is how persuasive it 76 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: is when it tells you you don't need help. It 77 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: makes you blind but convinced you have insight. You feel powerful, certain, unstoppable. 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: I lost touch with reality. Things got worse the longer 79 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: I ignored the problem. I said and did things I 80 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: deeply regret. Some of the people I love the most 81 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: I treated the worst. You endure fear, confusion, humiliation, and 82 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: the exhaustion of trying to have someone who was at 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: times unrecognizable looking back. I became detached from my true self. 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: In that fractured state. He goes on to say, I 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: gravitated toward the most destructive symbol I could find, the swastika, 86 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: and even sold T shirts bearing it. One of the 87 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: difficult aspects of having bipolar type one are the disconnected moments, 88 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: many of which I still cannot recall, that led to 89 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: poor judgment and reckless behavior that oftentimes feels like an 90 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: out of body experience. I regret, and I'm deeply mortified 91 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: by my actions in that state, and I'm committed to accountability, treatment, 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: and meaningful change. It does not excuse what I did. 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: I am not a Nazi or an anti Semite. I 94 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: love Jewish people. 95 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 2: To the Black community, Ya writes, which held me down 96 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: through all of the highs and lows and the darkest 97 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: of times. The Black community is unquestionably the foundation of 98 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: who I am. I am so sorry to have let 99 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: you down. I love us an here. 100 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: In early Excuse Me. In early twenty twenty five, he writes, 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: I fell into a four month long manic episode of psychotic, 102 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: paranoid and impulsive behavior that destroyed my life. As the 103 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: situation became increasingly unsustainable. There were times I didn't want 104 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: to be here anymore. 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: Having bipolar disorder is not state of constant mental illness. 106 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: When you go into a manic episode, you are ill. 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: At that point, when you are not in an episode, 108 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: you are completely normal, and that's when the wreckage from 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: the illness hits the hardest, hitting rock bottom. A few 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: months ago, my wife encouraged me to finally get help. 111 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I have found comfort in Reddit forums, of all places, 112 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: different people speaking of being in manic or depressive episodes 113 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: of a similar nature. I read their stories and realized 114 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: that I was not alone. It's not just me who 115 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: ruins their entire life once a year. Despite taking meds 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: every day and being told by the so called best 117 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: doctors in the world that I am not bipolar but 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: merely experiencing symptoms of autism. 119 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: My words as a leader in my community have global 120 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: impact and influence. In my mania, I lost complete side 121 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: of that. As I find my new baseline and new 122 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: center through an effective regime of medication, therapy, exercise, and 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: clean living, I have new found much needed clarity. I 124 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: am pouring my energy into positive, meaningful art, music, clothing design, 125 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: and other new ideas to help the world. 126 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm not asking for sympathy, as he writes. In closing, 127 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: he says, I'm not writing for sympathy or asking for 128 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: a free pass, though I aspire to earn your forgiveness. 129 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I write today simply to ask for your patients and 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: understanding as I find my way home with love. Yeay 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: your impression reading it the first time. 132 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: My impression reading it the first time was wow, And 133 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: that was very vulnerable, and it felt like a relief 134 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: to know that he's getting help, because obviously I would 135 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: just say anybody who has the platform he has, who 136 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: has the genius that he has, I mean, his music 137 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: is remarkable, it speaks for himself. But for him to 138 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: have literally self destructed and what he did and what 139 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: he's been doing over the last several years has absolutely 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: been nothing short of self destructive. So to see that 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: and to read that, I kind of thought, Yay, good, 142 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm glad he's getting help. I'm glad he's recognizing that 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: he needs help. That's a positive step. 144 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Did he need to do this? Could he have gotten 145 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: that help without letting us all know? And does it 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: matter one way or another? 147 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: I think an apology always matters. How about you? What 148 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: was your impression. 149 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I was surprised to have it come out, and I 150 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: was relieved that it did because many of folks everybody has, 151 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: but certainly me, plenty of folks grew up to a 152 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: certain degree. Actually, even if we didn't grow up with 153 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: the music, we saw him grow up in his career, 154 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: and that song Through the Wire put him on the 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: map of superstardom, rapping about the experience through a wired 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: jaw after that accident that he's here talking about. Where 157 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: if we have watched him over the years and it 158 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't make sense, something wasn't right. I can say this 159 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: out loud, but you can never question because you don't 160 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: know what's going on. His behavior wasn't right. He's not okay, 161 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: and we don't know what's wrong. And a lot of 162 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: people say that changed after his mom died. But at 163 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: the same time, he's explaining this in a way. And 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: when we talk about bipolarism, we talk about mania. People 165 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: being in a manic state. They feel invincible. They don't. 166 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: This is what the doctors tell you. Invincibility is a 167 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: trait of this thing. So to hear this, it's almost 168 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a relief to go Okay, he doesn't believe that stuff. 169 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: It made no sense for him to all of a 170 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: sudden like swastikus. 171 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: It made no sense. And look, you look. I know 172 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: that Kim Kardashian has been careful in what she said, 173 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: because obviously she is the mother of his four children. 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: They divorced in twenty twenty two, I believe, But even 175 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,479 Speaker 2: from her it seemed as though there was she was frustrated, 176 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: but I felt like there was sympathy there that she 177 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: knew he was not well, She knew he was not himself. 178 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: She knew that something was going on. And I also 179 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: thought it was so interesting to eat and hear someone 180 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: like Kanye West, who's on top of the world, who's 181 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: one of the biggest best rap artists of all time, 182 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: to say he found solace in a Reddit. For him 183 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: to know he wasn't alone, that speaks to the desperation. 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: You know, so many people know how that feels, when 185 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: something's wrong with you and you don't know what it is, 186 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: and then suddenly you feel like you're not the only one, 187 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: and suddenly you feel like maybe there is help, maybe 188 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: there is a way. I thought that was so fascinating 189 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: that he even felt that way about recognizing that he 190 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: wasn't fighting this by himself, that this is something that 191 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: is diagnosable and maybe hopefully something that's treatable, but. 192 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: Where it's his. It's fascinating because you think about one 193 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: of the biggest global superstars that we've seen in our 194 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: lifetime sitting up on Reddit trying to find help and 195 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: trying to find community. Where else do you find it? 196 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily an open community for bipolarism, right, it's 197 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: so where do you go? Who do you turn to? 198 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: And seen in public? And we do this oftentimes and 199 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: countless jokes have been told about this guy, and maybe 200 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: we can say it's warranted because Ropes, we're not just 201 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: talking about random stuff. He is talking about like a 202 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: love of Hitler, a black kid that grew up in Chicago, 203 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden made it to superstart him with 204 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the help of the black community, and all of a sudden, 205 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: he loves Hitler. It didn't make sense, and so I 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: was looking, we were all looking for something to justify 207 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's not an attention grab. That didn't make sense. Right, 208 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: He's already got attention. We already know who he is. 209 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't need to try to sell something? What is 210 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: he doing? And so robes This might be the best 211 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: explanation I have heard yet. 212 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I think from him the only thing that is that. 213 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: And you can go online and see and we can 214 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: talk about this. It's just the time he has an 215 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: album coming out on Friday. So many people are saying, hey, 216 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: this is the timing is why? Now? Why after all 217 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: this time are you coming forward? Now? Are you apologizing? 218 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Now? 219 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: Are you taking out this full page ad? Now? 220 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: Fine? Fair, fine, knock yourself out. All of that can 221 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: and should. Timing is always a part of these things, 222 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: is it not? But that was a long thought out 223 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: I don't know who helped write it. I don't know 224 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: what his medical his regimen is right now, but that 225 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: is a start. I agree, it's a start. 226 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: I agree. And you know what, you don't have to 227 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: buy his album. You don't have to listen to his music. 228 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: You don't, and that's fine. But I always appreciate an apology. 229 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: I think if you are just a human being and 230 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: you've been through shit in your life, you appreciate someone 231 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: who is being vulnerable, who is admitting wrong, who is 232 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: looking for answers and how he can do better. I 233 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: appreciate that as a human being. I think it's a 234 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: wonderful thing to see that you can be at rock bottom, 235 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: that you can say horrific things, that you can do 236 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: horrific things, and you can say I'm sorry and then 237 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: start to find answers as to why. And that is 238 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: something all of us can take and look at. Take 239 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: the skepticism out of it, take the always just doing 240 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: this for that out of it. This is actually, I think, 241 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: a very positive thing that happened. 242 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, stay here more about this upcoming 243 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: album that Robes just mentioned and the comparison to another 244 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: high profile celebrity that we saw destruct right before our eyes. 245 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Stay here. We continue here on a by and TJ. 246 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Kanye West, now officially the name is a Ya did 247 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: change it, but yay. The artist formerly known as Kanye West, 248 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: has issued a full page May A couple of Wall 249 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Street Journal apologizing for many of his antics, his behavior 250 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: and yes, promoting Hitler, promoting Swastika's, promoting anti Semitism. He's 251 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: apologizing for all of that over the years. I didn't 252 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: ask you this ahead of time, Robes. I don't know 253 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: how I I never stopped and consider it when it 254 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: came to Kanye West music. I'm not sure last time 255 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: he put new stuff out, but he was one of 256 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: the artists over the years that I just hear he 257 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: has a new album and I just buy it. Oh yeah, 258 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't need to hear a track or two first 259 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: and make sure I like it. I just buy it. 260 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: He's one of those artists. I mean, what is the 261 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: feeling about purchasing a Kanye West album? People can have 262 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: different opinions about it, but look, where do you land 263 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: on that? Really? Look? 264 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: You and I have had this conversation plenty of times 265 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: about separating the art from the artist. I some of 266 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: my favorite artists, even actors, musicians, whatever they have as 267 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: the years have gone on, had storied pasts and made 268 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: bad decisions. I can still appreciate the music and the art. 269 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: I'm one of those people who can operate it. I 270 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: love Kanye West's music. I run to it all the time. 271 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: I will listen to this new album and I'm somebody 272 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: I just I believe that people deserve second chances, and 273 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: I think that when you see someone who has made 274 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: a decision to put out an apology like this, it's 275 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: worth listening to and it's worth giving somebody a chance, 276 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: and it doesn't hurt anyone to say, let's see what happens, 277 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: and what happens if you support somebody who has acknowledged wrongdoing. 278 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: And look, I'm curious what you think about this, that 279 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: ad that he took out today in the Wall Street Journal. 280 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: We don't know exactly how much he paid for it, 281 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: but they say a full ad like that is between 282 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: five and six figures. This is no small amount of 283 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: money that goes to pay for something like this. He 284 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: could have just as easily put this out on social media. 285 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: He could have done a video where he read it 286 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: to camera. He could have done things for free and 287 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: just put it out and said the same things. I'm 288 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: curious what you think about his decision to pay for it, 289 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: to actually take out an ad and put it in 290 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: print in the Wall Street Journal. That was a decision. 291 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: I guess no matter where it goes, it was going 292 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: to make the rounds. I don't know if something about 293 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: it that felt more official, It felt like it was 294 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: elevated in some way to not just a matter of 295 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: which newspaper he put it in. I mean, the Wall 296 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Street Journal is prestigious, but it was just a matter 297 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: of it. Else you put yeah, you can, we can 298 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: all go to your Instagram stories and scans. 299 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: Getting get picked up everywhere. 300 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: Something about the way he did it just elevated and 301 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: there was a serious nus to it. 302 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: I thought, I agree as exactly because I started thinking, like, 303 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: wait a minute, these days, we don't even people don't 304 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: even need publicists. People don't even need to go on 305 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: to a morning show or because you can just go 306 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: online and if you are someone like Yay, you can 307 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: say anything and everyone's going to write about it. So 308 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really interesting and I like 309 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: the way you put it, a serious tone to it. 310 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: The fact that he put it in that paper and 311 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: paid for an ad and made it formal, made it 312 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: official in a way that we've lost some of that 313 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: a lot of times in social media posts. 314 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: And he did. He mentioned in the post his wife, 315 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: Bianca Sinceerri, that we often see and we see most 316 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: of her when we see her because most of the 317 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: time it's a picture. It's not usually about something she 318 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: said or something she did, but it's usually because she's 319 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: naked in public. I actually appreciated seeing that she has 320 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: and he acknowledged a role more substantial than just being 321 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: by his side and being naked in public. 322 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: Yes, because before when he had talked about her, he 323 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: basically said the most recent time where she was literally 324 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: had a see through, it was basically naked on the 325 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: red carpet. You know. He said, you don't think she 326 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: does this on her own. She does what I tell 327 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: her to do basically, So he was kind of taking 328 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: on this misogynistic role. At least he seemed to be 329 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: painting about their relationship. So it was cool to see. 330 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: I did appreciate that that she stepped in and said basically, 331 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, you need help and encouraged him to get help. 332 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: I think that that is the loving role of a 333 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: wife and that was nice to read. 334 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: The one, Uh, this is what I immediately went to because 335 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: I had this experience. But I know you were college 336 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: football there. Another athlete that was must see TV for 337 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: a while was Johnny Manziel. Yes, at Texas A and M. 338 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: No matter where you were, you stopped and watched him 339 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: just he ran around like a little techmobole player. He 340 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: was just unbelievable, had an incredible career ahead of him, 341 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and he kept getting into trouble, kept getting into trouble, 342 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: He get into trouble, got a second chance. Man, he 343 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: got in trouble again, third chance, Damn, why is he 344 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: doing this? It was all kinds of things. He went 345 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: pro for a little while, got these opportunities, ended up 346 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: in Vegas missing. You're looking at him and going, what 347 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: is wrong? What would cause someone to risk after you've 348 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: gotten all these chances. He was diagnosed later bipolarism, manic 349 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: and what we saw in Doctor Ashton I think she 350 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: talked to us about this on set at one point 351 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: in GMA three. He's displaying manic behavior. He's in a 352 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: state of mania in which is inexplicable, and he doesn't 353 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: even know he's doing it, but he has no clear 354 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: rational and the consequence, he just feels invincible. And that 355 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: was the first thing I related to when Wow, I 356 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: saw it like there was another guy just fell off 357 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: right before our eyes. But this thing we have seen. 358 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: I think we've both known people in our lives who 359 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: have been bipolar. World. 360 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: It is no joke, it's not and it's hard to 361 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: diagnose because he even describes you swing back into a 362 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: so called normal state, and so you're thinking, what is 363 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: going on? And I thought it was interesting that he 364 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: has said, and he said this before in the past, 365 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: that doctors diagnosed him with autism and so look, this 366 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: just speaks to how difficult and complex mental illness is, 367 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: how difficult it is sometimes to get the correct diagnosis. 368 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that he says he is on medication, 369 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: he is in therapy, he is using exercise and clean living. 370 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: This is not an easy thing to overcome, but you 371 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: can live with it, and especially having the support. And 372 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: he did thank the black community for not completely turning 373 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: their back on him. That is that a fair statement? 374 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: Where was his lying there at the end about black folks? 375 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: I love us is what he said. That was the 376 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: last thing. But he profusely thanked the Black community. 377 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: Me down through all the highs and lows in the 378 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: darkest times, the foundation of who I am. And you 379 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: know what that is A that is a it's hard 380 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: to get kicked out of the black community. That sounds 381 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: crazy today, and we've had yes cases in the past, 382 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: but it's different when somebody's making a conscious decision to 383 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: go do something against the community versus you're having a 384 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: true issue, like you recognize somebody struggling with something versus 385 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: someone that's making a conscious decision to turn their back 386 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: on black folks. And I think we always we always had. 387 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Now all that shit he's been saying over the years, 388 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I'm shocked on this and on that. 389 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: But every time my heart went, man, I hope he's okay. Man, 390 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: I hope he gets help. Man, I hope he's got 391 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: somebody around him he loves him, who loves him, because 392 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he did a lot of times. 393 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, we we want this dude to be okay. 394 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: Yes, And look, it's hard anyone who was around him 395 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: who loved him, and he so he specifically apologized, uh 396 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: obviously to those he heard, but to the Jewish community, to 397 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: the Black community, and to the people who loved him 398 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 2: the most, because the people who love him and who 399 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: loved him, that is a difficult position to be in 400 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: when the person who you're trying to help is sabotaging themselves. 401 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: But but it's through mental illness, So it's it's it's 402 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: such a difficult, a difficult situation for everybody, for Yay 403 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: and for the people around him in his life. 404 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: And Kate, let before we go here, can you you 405 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: might have seen it somewhere. There was a there was 406 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: a Jewish league of someone who put. 407 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: Out at anti defamation They well, they've had they've put 408 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: out things in the past. 409 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: I saw an update. I'm sorry, I can't. I'm just 410 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: going to give you the gist of what they were 411 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: saying was we appreciate it as being a step and 412 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: hope he's okay, not completely accepting and saying yes, but 413 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: they just said it's a little late. It wasn't a 414 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: nasty statement, but that the idea that this was long, long, 415 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: long overdue, and the way he can do better is 416 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: by behaving in an in a way that's not anti Semitic. 417 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: Right, some people are saying, yes, I hear what you're saying, 418 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: but we want to see you do better. And I 419 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: think that is a lot of what some of the 420 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: comments have been. And I actually do think I'm about 421 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: to pull this up. Yes, exactly what the Anti Defamation 422 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 2: League said, Ya's apology to the Jewish people is long overdue, 423 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: and they say this statement that they said that Yay's 424 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: letter doesn't automatically undo his long history of anti Semitism. 425 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: They cited his Heil Hitler song the hundreds of tweets, 426 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: the swastikas, and all the feelings of hurt and betrayal 427 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: it caused. They said the truest apology would be for 428 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: him to not engage in anti Semitic behavior in the future. 429 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: We wish him well on the road to recovery. 430 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: And that's well done. You know what, Let that be 431 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: a lesson to us as well. Are any of his 432 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: words he's used over the past ten years hurt any 433 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: community more than the Jewish community, Probably not, And they 434 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: are able to speak up and not just put their 435 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: arms around them but say okay, and we'll see at 436 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: least be open to it. Dale. Yeah, maybe there's a 437 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: lesson in therebes. 438 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: Is, there's a lesson in there for everybody. I so agree, 439 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: and I'm actually really happy he did this. 440 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: Well, maybe Yay is on his way, but folks, we 441 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: appreciate you spending a little time here with us. On TJ. 442 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: Holmes on behalf of Amy Robot. We will talk to 443 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: y'all soon.