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Speaker 2: From your favorite source for Chicago White Sox talk, delivering news, interviews,
Speaker 2: analysis and more. This is The Socks Machine Podcast with
Speaker 2: your hosts Jim Margolis, James Vegan, and Josh Nelson.
Speaker 3: Welcome to a new episode of The Machine podcast, part
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Speaker 3: and the Major League Baseball trade deadline for the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty sixth season is ova as the White Sox made
Speaker 3: some moves as they acquired everything on their shopping list.
Speaker 3: They wanted a starting pitcher, they wanted another reliever, they
Speaker 3: wanted a catcher. They also added another player to the
Speaker 3: squad that we weren't expecting before the deadline. Here's Chicago
Speaker 3: White Sox Generald manager Chris Gatz explaining the moves and
Speaker 3: the rationale behind those moves that he made before the
Speaker 3: August third trade deadline.
Speaker 4: Hello, everyone, Thanks for getting together this evening after you know,
Speaker 4: the trade deadline kind of you know the trade deadline.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've gone through a day night doubleheader myself,
Speaker 4: but couldn't be more excited with what we were able
Speaker 4: to accomplish. Obviously, you're at the mercy of other clubs
Speaker 4: and having deep talks and dialogue and a lot of
Speaker 4: good ideas, wild ideas, bad ideas come about in those conversations.
Speaker 4: But what we were trying to accomplish was certainly a
Speaker 4: starting pitcher, which we were able to accomplish with Louis Castillo,
Speaker 4: Brenton Doyle, someone that's going to help in the outfield,
Speaker 4: Rosa Van, a strong reliever, it's going to help our
Speaker 4: pitching staff. And then Joey Bart from a catching standpoint.
Speaker 4: So you know, going into this trade deadline, you know
Speaker 4: you don't exactly know who you're going to be able
Speaker 4: to acquire, but to be able to get a an
Speaker 4: experienced starter like Louis Castillo, a really strong defender with
Speaker 4: what we feel like is untapped offensive potential in Brenton
Speaker 4: Doyle and Joey Bart adding depth to our catching group
Speaker 4: and someone that is experienced and is only going to help.
Speaker 4: And then of course Brosaban that is some who is
Speaker 4: someone that's going to help our bullpen. So feel really
Speaker 4: good with what we were able to accomplish, and you know,
Speaker 4: I feel like we're well positioned for the remainder of
Speaker 4: the year and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: One of the goals that Chris Getz in the Chicago
Speaker 3: White Sox run off as had was trying to keep
Speaker 3: their top ten prospects unless there was a deal out
Speaker 3: there that it made sense for the White Sox just
Speaker 3: didn't find that deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last couple of days and including today, very
Speaker 4: open minded we were, but you know, we did want
Speaker 4: to preserve our top prospects in which we felt like
Speaker 4: we were able to accomplish and make measurable steps forward
Speaker 4: with the talent on our major league club. You know,
Speaker 4: we've got a lot of players that rask for from
Speaker 4: our prospect group. I understand that it's not that we
Speaker 4: were dismissive and unwilling. It just didn't make sense with
Speaker 4: some of the asks. So yeah, I mean it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very clear that you know, a Caleb Bottom or
Speaker 4: a Billy Carlson very attractive pieces. But then you you know,
Speaker 4: with us wanted to maintain the group that we've been
Speaker 4: able to grow on the minor league side. That's only
Speaker 4: going to help us in the future. We felt like
Speaker 4: we were able to accomplish not only adding wins to
Speaker 4: our major league club, but also maintaining prospect devv.
Speaker 3: With acquiring Joey Bart, the Chicago White Sox and Chris
Speaker 3: Gatts have to make a decision on the catching situation
Speaker 3: between Drew Romo and Edgar Carro Gets explained his rationale
Speaker 3: behind that decision making.
Speaker 4: So in the meantime, we are optioning Edgar Carrow with
Speaker 4: Joey Bart being the addition here, so we'll do a
Speaker 4: combination of he and Romo. Edgar Carroll has done a
Speaker 4: nice job since he's come back. Really, you know, he's
Speaker 4: helped us win games and he's working on both of
Speaker 4: receiving an offensive game has taken, you know, a step
Speaker 4: forward for where it was earlier, but we've maintained that depth.
Speaker 4: I would say when Kyle Tiel comes back, obviously that'll
Speaker 4: be the biggest boost we look forward to that time.
Speaker 4: In the meantime, we feel like Joey and Romo are gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, set us up for you know, wins here
Speaker 4: when it comes to the to the month of August.
Speaker 4: But in the meantime, we are optioning Edgar Carroll.
Speaker 3: There were lots of quality rental starting pitchers in the
Speaker 3: sense that they're rentals because they're going to become free
Speaker 3: agents after the twenty twenty six season. We explained into
Speaker 3: the past couple episodes. Robbie Ray was a tar gonna mind.
Speaker 3: He went to San Diego. Kevin Gossman went to Chicago,
Speaker 3: but to the Cubs and not the White Sox. I
Speaker 3: still think that would have been a great addition for
Speaker 3: the White Sox team. The White Sox didn't acquire any
Speaker 3: of those rental starting pitchers, and Chris Getz explains.
Speaker 4: Why funny names out there that we felt like could
Speaker 4: really help us. The asking prices and looking at what
Speaker 4: some of those returns were, like, we we just couldn't
Speaker 4: match up. And some of that was our unwillingness to
Speaker 4: part with the top of our system and also just
Speaker 4: how our system is set up right now. And you know,
Speaker 4: we've got some guys that are you know, various or
Speaker 4: I should say very obvious candidates. Like at the top
Speaker 4: he had top hundred guys. There is a little bit
Speaker 4: of gap to the next group, and so you know,
Speaker 4: you look at some of those returns, I think that
Speaker 4: there was some plays that were in between you know
Speaker 4: that that existed in other organizations that we weren't able
Speaker 4: to provide, So you were forced into topper end guys.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was kind of just a victim of
Speaker 4: how we're set up right now. In the future, who
Speaker 4: knows how we would play that out. But based on
Speaker 4: what we've been able to accomplish right now, where were
Speaker 4: things are, you know, where we feel like things are going,
Speaker 4: it just felt like it was it was the right move.
Speaker 3: Now that the trade deadline is over, Chris gets his
Speaker 3: belief in his team continues to grow, especially with what
Speaker 3: the White Sox have accomplished in their past two series
Speaker 3: against the Yankees and Rays, and what lies in front
Speaker 3: of them this week against the Red Sox and Guardians.
Speaker 4: You know, they compete, you know, against anyone obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: you look at what we did with the Yankees those
Speaker 4: final two games and taking two out of three. The
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay Rays. You know, still like objectively when you
Speaker 4: line up with some of these clubs and you look
Speaker 4: at the names out of the other club versus our club.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure there are people that you know,
Speaker 4: might choose the other club versus us. But we go
Speaker 4: out there and we're not scared of anyone.
Speaker 5: We aren't.
Speaker 4: We're not, so you know, I just you know, we've
Speaker 4: accomplished a lot so far. I think we can do
Speaker 4: even more. They believe in themselves, and I believe in
Speaker 4: this group.
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Speaker 3: And now continuing the conversation with me on the White
Speaker 3: SOX twenty twenty trade deadline activity is SOX Machines Managing
Speaker 3: editor Jim Margolis and beat reporter James Vegan And hello gents,
Speaker 3: what's a busy last four days for us at a
Speaker 3: Sox Machine. I Chris Gets I think said it perfectly
Speaker 3: like for him it feels like he just played a
Speaker 3: day night doubleheader, and I kind of feel the same
Speaker 3: way as well. Just a NonStop content creation, either the
Speaker 3: podcast front and all the columns that we've been writing
Speaker 3: on soxmachine dot com. So let's give our first impressions
Speaker 3: our instant reaction to the White Sox trade deadline. I'll
Speaker 3: start with you, James, what's the first thing that you
Speaker 3: think of when it comes to the White Sox trade activity?
Speaker 5: The first thing I think of.
Speaker 7: For the person says the day night doubleheader and did
Speaker 7: a trade at one thirty in the morning while I
Speaker 7: was trying to get three hours of sleep from my
Speaker 7: rescheduled flight.
Speaker 5: What the first thing I thought?
Speaker 7: They like, there was points like like a week out
Speaker 7: where I'm just like trying like talking to people and like, hey,
Speaker 7: is this like a fair assessment of what you want?
Speaker 7: Starter pitch starting pitcher preferably is control leverage arm catcher,
Speaker 7: And they're like, yes, you're on it. They got starting
Speaker 7: pitcher leverage, really farm starting pictures control and a catcher
Speaker 7: and you know you've framed it at the time like
Speaker 7: a catcher who was really just holding you over until
Speaker 7: Kyle teals thumps back.
Speaker 5: That's what they got.
Speaker 7: And then they pursued this need that I didn't even
Speaker 7: realize that they thought they needed in terms of Breton Doyle,
Speaker 7: so like in terms of like objectives and knowing that
Speaker 7: they are they had to be dragged into this is
Speaker 7: some bit like obviously this is from June. They were
Speaker 7: kind of changing their tune in terms of, you know,
Speaker 7: we have to treat this, you know team with respec
Speaker 7: back like their contending team. They came to this point,
Speaker 7: you know, three games out in front biggest divisionally in
Speaker 7: the AL is you know my uh one esteemed voice
Speaker 7: and the socks of media spear. Let me know, it's
Speaker 7: so I think Chris gets even like elucidated, like a
Speaker 7: further point of like maybe even like a self particular system.
Speaker 7: Was what he said is like, we have our top
Speaker 7: hundred guys that we could get big pieces with that
Speaker 7: we don't really want to touch, and then we have
Speaker 7: like you know what they traded, which was the tier
Speaker 7: of like Gabe Davis, Boston Smith, Mason Adams and feeling
Speaker 7: like they were a little light in terms of like
Speaker 7: the territory between that that might have helped them land
Speaker 7: some other you know pieces or maybe you know, makes
Speaker 7: a rental deal happen, and feeling like they had to
Speaker 7: because they didn't want to use the big pieces. They
Speaker 7: kind of had to scrap together with that more like
Speaker 7: middle tier guys who were in the teens of like
Speaker 7: an average system's prospect list, And because of that, everything's
Speaker 7: like a little.
Speaker 5: There's like a little.
Speaker 7: Qualifire, and that's true for every player, but like it's
Speaker 7: a Luis Castillo, this guy is awesome, three time all starts.
Speaker 7: In the press release, he's having the career where a
Speaker 7: season you're kind of gidding him because you're taking on
Speaker 7: a contract of the Mariners. Clearly see his onerous for
Speaker 7: someone who's trying to make you better right away, you
Speaker 7: kind of have to fix it or at least get
Speaker 7: it on track.
Speaker 5: I know they.
Speaker 7: Downplay the idea of like, oh, we need to overhaul
Speaker 7: his arsenal for him to be good again, but like
Speaker 7: that's got to be part of it, right, Like there
Speaker 7: are a lot of indicators that this like isn't the
Speaker 7: best he's looked the worst he's looked Somewhat some people
Speaker 7: are saying bart is clearly a backup, like this is
Speaker 7: someone who hasn't really been like a full time you know,
Speaker 7: starting catcher for a contending team recently or you know,
Speaker 7: arguably for a long period of time. Like that said,
Speaker 7: it was was paired off a pretty optimistic projection for
Speaker 7: Kyle Tealem saying he could be back by September first,
Speaker 7: or at least early next month. So that even maybe
Speaker 7: drills down further upon like why you don't get much
Speaker 7: more than like someone who's a good backup in that time?
Speaker 7: And also we can't really hold like why didn't you
Speaker 7: pay this for Tyler Stevenson when Tyler Stevens doesn't move
Speaker 7: and the Reds don't trade him or Brady Singer, And
Speaker 7: generally it's like what were those were your guys doing?
Speaker 7: Rather than what were the White Sox not doing?
Speaker 5: To get it?
Speaker 7: And uh, even even Bronzebino, I think is the most objective, like, hey,
Speaker 7: here's a reliever who's pitching good right now. You can
Speaker 7: throw him in a leverage mix that's almost a straightforward
Speaker 7: like that's all you're looking for when we trade a reliever.
Speaker 7: But it's like, oh, he's got years of control. Oh
Speaker 7: he'll probably be forty by the time he gets free
Speaker 7: agency because of his journey, Like there's just a little thing.
Speaker 7: And then Brenton Doyle, like, you know, he's obviously it's
Speaker 7: a reclamation project and maybe not reclamations the right word.
Speaker 7: They use it like they have hitting tweaks that they
Speaker 7: already have in mind with him, and that's great, and
Speaker 7: obviously that's a st regular season is how many guys
Speaker 7: they've been able to fix offensively, But that's part of
Speaker 7: what's coming in as a guy who's one just not
Speaker 7: hitting well the season because he's been injured, it didn't
Speaker 7: hit well last year. But also you're kind of thanking
Speaker 7: on him coming in and you're literally, you know, Tafane
Speaker 7: Evers prayer, so you're kind of saying, like, we think
Speaker 7: can be better than him, and you know, kind of
Speaker 7: sounds like they're counting on going to be better than Austin
Speaker 7: Hayes because that's an option that's you know, pressing on
Speaker 7: them and they don't really have an answer for how
Speaker 7: that's going to fit in and it's not clear how
Speaker 7: it would. So it's it's all these like I need
Speaker 7: to like we need to like put some sort of
Speaker 7: governor like limit on Simpson's references here. But it's like
Speaker 7: a lot of slightly burnt like series Active Where coming
Speaker 7: in where you know what time and how burn like
Speaker 7: it's available now and we'll see how out burn it
Speaker 7: is as time where is on. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: you did everything you need to do. You were shopping
Speaker 7: kind of in the discount aisle and shopping well in
Speaker 7: discount isle is obviously the story your season is something
Speaker 7: like Hellttle Miguel Vargus, but it's it's not like, hey,
Speaker 7: we're serious, like where the Yankees and died. It's not
Speaker 7: how those teams are moving necessarily in terms of like
Speaker 7: how much they're kind of banking on the rebounds coming
Speaker 7: as these guys get in the house.
Speaker 3: Well, that was a very detailed instant reaction to the
Speaker 3: White Sox trade deadline. So, Jim, I'm not sure how
Speaker 3: you want to follow that up, but what was your
Speaker 3: first impression.
Speaker 5: After the You feel like it's really a lot.
Speaker 8: Hey, I could stop there if you want to conserve
Speaker 8: the airtime, but I would say, they passed the twenty
Speaker 8: twenty test, as we talked about in terms of they
Speaker 8: had needs and they acknowledged them and they did something
Speaker 8: for them, unlike in twenty twenty when they just got
Speaker 8: draw Dyson and that was it. Even though everybody could
Speaker 8: kind of see if the pitching was falling apart, there
Speaker 8: wasn't any level of Now they're even like getting Brenton Doyle,
Speaker 8: which is a little bit weird in terms of they
Speaker 8: had a Brenton Doyle and the roster previously and Derek Hill.
Speaker 8: They kind of had one in Everson Pereira. They kind
Speaker 8: of well, they don't have Austin Hayes, not Brenton Doyle
Speaker 8: in terms of playing center, but just they have a
Speaker 8: lot of right handed outfielders and to add another one
Speaker 8: when that wasn't necessarily in the cards because they have
Speaker 8: so many right handed outfielders of precarious situations, be it
Speaker 8: a lack of options, be it service time, being able
Speaker 8: to reject assignments that you didn't know exactly what they're
Speaker 8: going to do with them, and then Brenton Doyle shows up.
Speaker 8: But it was an acknowledgement that, hey, Tristan Peters is
Speaker 8: really scuffling. It's been a minor miracle what they've gotten
Speaker 8: from him so far. The fact that he's an All
Speaker 8: Star looks, you know, it was incredibly unlikely. It might
Speaker 8: be one of those things that after the season, depending
Speaker 8: on how the rest of his second half goes, you
Speaker 8: might think, like, how did that ever happen? They might
Speaker 8: have to explain to future generations. But they acknowledged it
Speaker 8: by saying, Hey, this guy might be he's struggling a
Speaker 8: little bit. He might be biting off finally more than
Speaker 8: he can chew. So we got to give him some help.
Speaker 8: And we don't trust Everson Prayer enough to cover center
Speaker 8: field the way we're asking Tristan Peters to cover center field.
Speaker 8: So with that in mind, they did acknowledge all of
Speaker 8: those deficits and did something to help. I will say that,
Speaker 8: you know, to to James's point about like the prospect
Speaker 8: here that they couldn't deal from, I think it's another
Speaker 8: example of just not having an up and running international
Speaker 8: arm Yet they've made improvements, or they've changed leadership, they're
Speaker 8: gonna get a new facility. It's a long process, you know,
Speaker 8: takes what five to seven years or something like that.
Speaker 8: From you know, I think David Keller taking over to
Speaker 8: finally seeing results. But we've seen this before, you know,
Speaker 8: whether it's the how within the prospect lists are, how
Speaker 8: the White Sox aren't able to supply reinforcements to their
Speaker 8: own roster or trade guys away, the way the Padres
Speaker 8: are able to just make six trades a deadline and
Speaker 8: seven more in the off season with just how many
Speaker 8: interesting young talent, uh you know they have at premium positions,
Speaker 8: uh and pitching. So I think it's another example of
Speaker 8: missing that, missing that Jefferson Rojas type of just you know,
Speaker 8: they've done well enough with the draft. Uh, they've done
Speaker 8: wealth recolimation projects, but not having that wing where like
Speaker 8: a third or more of your talent supposed to come
Speaker 8: from just kind of ignoring it and barely getting any
Speaker 8: kind of guys that surface to the majors. And if
Speaker 8: they do surface, like Lenine Sosa, who is you know,
Speaker 8: has some talent but is limited, it just limits what
Speaker 8: they can do with either acquiring players or supplying their own.
Speaker 8: So they had to work around it, and they did
Speaker 8: work around it. Yeah, I was thinking like outlet mall,
Speaker 8: like a kind of a shopping spree where you know,
Speaker 8: everything's just not quite right to some regard, but.
Speaker 9: They didn't.
Speaker 8: I don't think they overpaid for it. He maybe Castillo,
Speaker 8: I guess we'll get to him, you know, individually might
Speaker 8: be the one where I think they might have paid
Speaker 8: too much just in terms of the obligation they're taking on.
Speaker 8: But I think they paid appropriate prices otherwise for players
Speaker 8: who might be able to help, and if they don't help,
Speaker 8: at least after the season, whatever happens, GETS can say
Speaker 8: I tried something. You know, maybe I could have been
Speaker 8: a little bit bolder, but also I didn't ignore it,
Speaker 8: and hope things get better and just cross my fingers
Speaker 8: that luck would curious in the postseason and then I
Speaker 8: could get away with just you know, having all the
Speaker 8: prospects I had and not having to make a choice.
Speaker 3: Well, the first part of this show we heard from
Speaker 3: Chris Gatz. I would kind of describe it as exhausted enthusiasm,
Speaker 3: as he's very tired working the phones and working the
Speaker 3: text messages. And I don't even know if gms email
Speaker 3: each other. But I agree with you guys that as
Speaker 3: far as the White Sox shopping list, they checked off
Speaker 3: every item. It's just that other teams the American League.
Speaker 3: I like the move by Tampa Bay Liam Hicks. Boston
Speaker 3: really believes after sweeping the Los Angeles Dodgers in LA
Speaker 3: to go get Attalie Rushman. That's a huge move for
Speaker 3: Boston's perspective. I'm not sure how much the New York
Speaker 3: Yankees have improved. I'm not sure that the Houston Astros.
Speaker 3: They got Dalton varshow, but their farm system is pretty
Speaker 3: much depleted. That's as best as they could do, and
Speaker 3: they had as trade one of their starting pitchers. But
Speaker 3: I feel like for White Sox fans after the deadline,
Speaker 3: there is room for wanting more from this deadline, especially
Speaker 3: with what Cleveland did, and with Cleveland getting Foster Griffin
Speaker 3: and Joe Adell and Nathaniel Lowe, that is going to
Speaker 3: put some pressure on the White Sox. So this upcoming
Speaker 3: weekend at home, that just increases the importance of that
Speaker 3: series between the White Sox and Guardians. Is the White
Speaker 3: Sox still have the series lead. They have four wins
Speaker 3: while the Guardians have so that's heighbreaker could really come
Speaker 3: important for the White Sox. But Chris Getz still believes
Speaker 3: with the team that he's got And to your point, Jim,
Speaker 3: it's not twenty twenty. He did add four players, so
Speaker 3: this isn't a repeat of Rickhan just adding one guy
Speaker 3: and then lamenting that well, the market didn't work out
Speaker 3: our way. He did make things happen.
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Speaker 3: So let's break down as far as we worried. Did
Speaker 3: a complete episode in Luis Castillo. You could watch that
Speaker 3: on our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash slacks,
Speaker 3: but we spent about forty five minutes talk about the
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo trade again. He'll be making the start for
Speaker 3: the White Sox at his White Sox debut on Thursday.
Speaker 3: But the first trade I guess on the deadline after midnight.
Speaker 3: Huascar rosobah the reliever for the New York Mets. He's
Speaker 3: having any solid season. Baseball Reference has him at a
Speaker 3: one point six war a two point five to six
Speaker 3: er run average if you're more of a FIP guy,
Speaker 3: three point three four. That's solid still for a reliever
Speaker 3: fifty two with two thirds innings and forty six appearances.
Speaker 3: That as James mentioned earlier, the White Sox gave up
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis and Zach Franklin. So when it comes to
Speaker 3: Brasobon obviously trading Sir Anthony Dominguez over to Seattle, James
Speaker 3: opened up a spot in the bullpen. Why Brosobon was
Speaker 3: targeted by the White Sox to fill that.
Speaker 7: Need, well, I mean he gets ground balls. That's certainly
Speaker 7: a useful archetype as far as relievers, and you know
Speaker 7: what's still kind of a Harris Park the White Sox.
Speaker 7: He is kind of he's for a rebuilding team like
Speaker 7: the Mets. He's thirty six years old, so you can
Speaker 7: definitely make the argument that he doesn't fit in your window,
Speaker 7: so to speak. But at the same time, like he's
Speaker 7: pretty like early on into his service time because he
Speaker 7: hasn't really been in the majors much. He'll be ar
Speaker 7: eligible for the first time next season, so probably under
Speaker 7: five million dollars as far as like with this point,
Speaker 7: looks like a proven leverage reliever and someone to pitch
Speaker 7: very well in the.
Speaker 5: WBC even before the season. It wasn't even bad last year.
Speaker 7: You had sixty three innings to being like kind above
Speaker 7: average reliever even though we started in Triple A. So
Speaker 7: it's kind of a proven arm It's it's maybe not
Speaker 7: because it's more ground ball oriented, maybe a little bit
Speaker 7: more affordable in terms of like, it's not someone who
Speaker 7: like with has the Mispats level where like you're getting
Speaker 7: charged like closer prices necessarily even if you know, maybe
Speaker 7: that's what gave Davis Becomes at some point. So I
Speaker 7: think it fit the sweet spot for their costs, you know, effectiveness.
Speaker 7: It's kind of like a stable operations. You know, they
Speaker 7: just had the super long arm action of of Sir
Speaker 7: Anthony Domingos. Now you have a short striker who kind
Speaker 7: of just funky and those controls a little bit fringy
Speaker 7: and similar to the way to Sir Anthony Aminga's but
Speaker 7: just maybe more of like not being so you know,
Speaker 7: bat missing oriented, kind of just challenge guys in the
Speaker 7: zone with a sinker and hope he gets scround balls
Speaker 7: and get guys out in front of his change up.
Speaker 7: You needed a reliever after you traded Sir Anthony away
Speaker 7: in some way, even if you had lost faith in
Speaker 7: Sir Anthony Mingas kind of becoming uh that that figure
Speaker 7: yet that leverage arm whether or not you believed in
Speaker 7: the last ten outings in a big way, and this
Speaker 7: this replaces it adequately at a It's not an easy
Speaker 7: cost because there's a seller's market, and I think you
Speaker 7: know Davis has you know, some real ceiling there that
Speaker 7: might be untapped, but it's maybe more on the reasonable side,
Speaker 7: uh than you know, other options might have been. And
Speaker 7: certainly just weren't bringing many options at all. I mean,
Speaker 7: Mason Miller didn't wind up moving. I don't think you
Speaker 7: saw like a huge wave of relievers in a way.
Speaker 7: And you're you're not absorbing salary either, So that's probably
Speaker 7: a value over Jeff Hoff. And even though the Twins
Speaker 7: like did get a little bit of a uh, you know,
Speaker 7: salary contribution for Hoff and often just in general like
Speaker 7: just feels like backbreaking home run material, even though like
Speaker 7: all of his numbers are awesome, Like I know, I
Speaker 7: would do you rest easy writing recaps with him in
Speaker 7: the ninth or anything like that. So this this seems
Speaker 7: more reasonable.
Speaker 3: So Jim, should the working assumption be that Joey Bart
Speaker 3: takes over as the primary catcher for the White Sox
Speaker 3: until Kyle Tiel returns.
Speaker 9: You would think so.
Speaker 8: The way they played Romo over Caro, even though Carol
Speaker 8: has been I would say, noticeably better at bad, even
Speaker 8: though Carol myself is not hitting welling. That's how bad
Speaker 8: Romo has been for like the last three months basically,
Speaker 8: but you think, like, oh, Caro had a good game,
Speaker 8: Caro had a big hit, Surely this is when the
Speaker 8: corner is gonna turn. But the White Sox aren't rushing
Speaker 8: towards that corner. They've played Romo, you know, half of
Speaker 8: four game series and two out of three and pretty
Speaker 8: much every three game series, so they do seem to
Speaker 8: like something that Romo offers. I mean, he's got an
Speaker 8: obvious framing advantage when it comes to stackcast, but just
Speaker 8: even you know, perhaps some some softer stuff preparation, perhaps
Speaker 8: they like that more to where it's seems fairly automatic
Speaker 8: that Rome's gonna be starting a meta or how poorly
Speaker 8: he's hitting. So yeah, I think you would hope that
Speaker 8: Bart would come in and be if not automatic two
Speaker 8: out of three like handedness two out of three, or
Speaker 8: just day game after night game, just you know, if
Speaker 8: it's a normal series two night games in a day game,
Speaker 8: that he would start two of those games, you would hope,
Speaker 8: and you would think that he would perform well enough
Speaker 8: like he's he's a catcher. That's kind of what comes out.
Speaker 8: It jumps out to me is that it reminds me
Speaker 8: of the family guy store brand and frosted flakes with
Speaker 8: Terry the Tiger, and he jumps out saying it's food
Speaker 8: and Joey bart is the food of catchers. Of that,
Speaker 8: he's just he'll do like you're not in terrible shape
Speaker 8: if he's back there, And the White Sox have been
Speaker 8: in terrible shape largely, and they've gotten by despite Teal
Speaker 8: only playing nineteen games, but does feel like the bottom
Speaker 8: could fall out at any time, and so this is something
Speaker 8: to address it and them, Like David, I think, yeah,
Speaker 8: I think there are a lot of Davits in Triple
Speaker 8: A and kind of going back and forth. I think
Speaker 8: like Tyler Schweitzer is kind of a left handed Davit
Speaker 8: or probably like perhaps a more he's evolved next stage,
Speaker 8: but of that can throw two or three innings, not
Speaker 8: gonna see leverage, but flexible, happy to pitch whenever, will
Speaker 8: throw strikes and hopefully contacts on a side like he's
Speaker 8: already serving that Davit purpose. So he gets dfaid and
Speaker 8: turns into somebody that can really can use and I
Speaker 8: think it's kind of a no brainer trade, even if
Speaker 8: it's not, you know, Adlie Rutchman to Boston level exciting.
Speaker 3: And then the third piece of the deadline outfielder Brentan Doyle,
Speaker 3: who has won a goal Glove. He's played outstanding defense
Speaker 3: and center field for the Rockies. He had an excellent
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season. This season dealing with some injuries,
Speaker 3: Doyle has played in forty five games one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty nine played appearances, batting two fourteen with a two
Speaker 3: eighty seven on base percentage and a two eighty two
Speaker 3: second percentage. Doyle only has one home run in five RBIs.
Speaker 3: He's worth negative zero point four war and the White
Speaker 3: Sox sent over Mason Adams is part of the deal
Speaker 3: to Colorado. So James like, when I look at the
Speaker 3: White Sox current roster, I mean technically they have six
Speaker 3: outfielders now, so you got Doyle, Tristan Peake, Sam Antonaci
Speaker 3: hold On, Brandon Montgomery, Randall, Gridchick, and Andrew Bennettunde. Now
Speaker 3: you can make the case that Ben Attend and Gridchick
Speaker 3: really are just now platuny DH. But technically they can
Speaker 3: play outfield. They have to play in the field. You'd
Speaker 3: have them play in the outfield. So why Brendan Doyle.
Speaker 7: I thought I was gonna get asked my opinion, and
Speaker 7: now I'm being put in the position to defend it. Well,
Speaker 7: I think if you put it like that, like clearly,
Speaker 7: they would probably feel like that's the best set or
Speaker 7: field defender of the mix potentially, or at least someone
Speaker 7: who's been equal to Peters in the past. And I
Speaker 7: think you're banking on like, once he's healthy, that he's
Speaker 7: going to be that again, Like he's not filling the
Speaker 7: Austin Hayes Randall gridchick role, like someone who starts in
Speaker 7: an outfield corner at DH against the left handed starter.
Speaker 7: It's someone who you can pull Peters and have someone
Speaker 7: who's as good or or or better and center when
Speaker 7: you do, or you can play them both and it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, death to the Flying Things type of the
Speaker 7: alignment with what they had when they put Derek Hill out,
Speaker 7: you know, as a defensive replacement late in games, you've
Speaker 7: seen the bat be like this nice like power over
Speaker 7: hit plus defense combination. It passed his career. There's also
Speaker 7: stretches before that and after that where it looked like, well,
Speaker 7: this is like this is to Adam Anglee in terms
Speaker 7: of this is like the early years of Adam Angle
Speaker 7: as opposed to like the cool year of Atam Angle.
Speaker 7: And I say this is like I still think, just
Speaker 7: get him healthy, train him for four weeks. Maybe Adam
Speaker 7: Angle steps into you know, is the best player in
Speaker 7: the league. I'm a huge atam Angle stand But even then,
Speaker 7: like it's it's.
Speaker 5: Erratic, and.
Speaker 7: They clearly have a plan to get him back to
Speaker 7: probably more twenty twenty four form.
Speaker 5: They think there's things.
Speaker 7: They can shave down with his loading action and clean
Speaker 7: up his bat path, and you know there's raw power
Speaker 7: there and in the past he's not chased and kind
Speaker 7: of what the struggles and you know, something that fits
Speaker 7: for a guy who's been out injured and not really
Speaker 7: gotten to rhythm. So he's chasing more this year, and
Speaker 7: so if that goes back to normal, maybe you have
Speaker 7: something here that said, like you ever see the movie Flow,
Speaker 7: like it's kind of like doesn't have any dialogue, as
Speaker 7: like the Cat where the world's flooding and there's the
Speaker 7: Lemur that's like shuffling through like shiny objects and like
Speaker 7: in this bag and trying to like pick out the
Speaker 7: bitch best one seemingly like without reason that's been like
Speaker 7: glove first, right handed outfielders with the White Sox really
Speaker 7: since they claimed Derek kill off waivers last September of like.
Speaker 5: They grabbed different ones.
Speaker 7: And you think like, okay, this is a project now,
Speaker 7: and then they shuffle to a new one and it's
Speaker 7: like all right, Like it's like you can definitely make
Speaker 7: the argument like this is maybe the best defender of
Speaker 7: the group. Maybe Derek Hill is pretty good too, but
Speaker 7: you kind of just watch them trade Derek Hill because
Speaker 7: ever sin Perreira was coming off the il and then.
Speaker 4: Ever Pereira.
Speaker 7: Comes back and it gets hurt and then you have
Speaker 7: to go to Junior Prez for a uncomfortable period of
Speaker 7: time and that probably obviously wasn't the plan. Then you
Speaker 7: get ever sin Perreira back and as as he has
Speaker 7: when he's come back, he's been keyed up and been
Speaker 7: chasing and shriking out a lot. And then you just
Speaker 7: we just saw it and like one game shouldn't assess it.
Speaker 7: They already had obviously been working on this for days,
Speaker 7: but you just saw what you were supposed to, like
Speaker 7: be working for this with him, you know, taking that
Speaker 7: close fastball from Kimberle and then launching.
Speaker 5: One and then any home run later in Garbage nine.
Speaker 7: But you know there's supposed to be there's as I know,
Speaker 7: Doyle has had like the literal like three to four
Speaker 7: win season already in the majors of four and Pereira
Speaker 7: never has done that before and certainly hasn't given you
Speaker 7: a testament for being healthy or being able to be
Speaker 7: healthy through this one. It's just that there was offensive
Speaker 7: potential there that or at least the prospect pedigree is
Speaker 7: such that never was really associated with Doyle in the
Speaker 7: same way. Like the idea is that perere was gonna
Speaker 7: be someone who's going to be above average kid, or
Speaker 7: even if he moved to a corner down the road,
Speaker 7: at least if if he got to contact enough place
Speaker 7: that power played up. Dooy clearly has power what we're
Speaker 7: trying to get back to as a guy who's kind
Speaker 7: of like league average offensively and like twenty runs above
Speaker 7: average defensively. And certainly if you think Peters is kind
Speaker 7: of struggling and you don't know what your long term
Speaker 7: center field picture is and there's not really an answer
Speaker 7: to the system, I can kind of talk myself into
Speaker 7: the project of why still being on the hunt for
Speaker 7: a full time center Fielder makes sense, I get it.
Speaker 7: It is still just kind of it's awkwardly timed, for sure,
Speaker 7: and especially for someone who was kind of very intrigued
Speaker 7: by what Everson Perreira could be if they got him right,
Speaker 7: because they had like cleaned up some things and the
Speaker 7: contact rate was better, and we hadn't seen him like
Speaker 7: make swing decisions on the level he had in the past.
Speaker 7: It's like, man, if we could just get him healthy
Speaker 7: and all put together, this kind of see flashes of
Speaker 7: this being a really interesting bat and to just get
Speaker 7: like one more taste of it and then be like, actually,
Speaker 7: we canceled this project two days ago.
Speaker 5: Here comes Doyle.
Speaker 7: It's like h man, all right, and it's kind of
Speaker 7: for him to be replacing that way. It's kind of
Speaker 7: an adjustment to realize, like Doyle's gonna kind of need
Speaker 7: the same runway and tweaked to make his contact great
Speaker 7: better and you know, time to like really get plain time.
Speaker 7: So he stopped chasing as much as he was early
Speaker 7: in the year. Seemingly all the things you're working through
Speaker 7: a Perreira, you're kind of starting again. But there is
Speaker 7: a defensive steal in the chase here that I guess
Speaker 7: I get It's just I get it.
Speaker 5: I don't hate it.
Speaker 7: I also like could also just see very easily see
Speaker 7: not doing it. And I don't think the prospect costs
Speaker 7: was like crazy, but also it wasn't like nothing like
Speaker 7: if Mason Adams. I think more was like a nice
Speaker 7: good fists six starter depth rather than like someone who's
Speaker 7: going to become a star at least of all that
Speaker 7: particular profile and cours. But it's a useful guy that
Speaker 7: we were kind of looking forward to seeing for a while.
Speaker 7: And the DSL guy, I'm not quite like so scarred
Speaker 7: by Fernando Tatis or Yoka Ferry Arter that I think
Speaker 7: every DSL guy going out is going to be awesome,
Speaker 7: but like certainly interesting in terms of like the hit
Speaker 7: tool profile. I don't know if like I think it's
Speaker 7: like Max if you look for the year was like
Speaker 7: ninety seven, so obviously like a lot a lot of
Speaker 7: way to go for that to be like major League
Speaker 7: Oliver Power, and maybe it's just not worth worrying about,
Speaker 7: but it's like this seemed like not a big cost,
Speaker 7: but a cost to go to a similar type of project.
Speaker 5: But I get it.
Speaker 7: I see it as much as I stand like I don't.
Speaker 3: For all White Sox fans. What grade would you give
Speaker 3: the Chicago White Sox twenty twenty six trade activity A, B,
Speaker 3: C or D. I didn't list an F because the
Speaker 3: White Sox actually did something. They did pull off trades,
Speaker 3: so I think that automatically eliminates an F. If you
Speaker 3: get an F as a team at the trade deadline,
Speaker 3: you either sold too much for very little return, or
Speaker 3: you didn't do anything. There are some teams that do
Speaker 3: deserve an F at the trade deadline, but for a
Speaker 3: White Sox perspective, the winner very close C ended up
Speaker 3: winning the poll. Out of six hundred and ninety one
Speaker 3: votes on social media, forty seven percent of you gave
Speaker 3: the White Sox a C. Forty two percent of you
Speaker 3: gave the White Sox a B. So I have a
Speaker 3: feeling on how you two will answer this, but let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and give out our grades for the White
Speaker 3: Sox trade deadline. James Vegan, what grade would you give
Speaker 3: Chris Gatz for the twenty twenty six trade deadline activity?
Speaker 5: What do you think I would give Chris CAATs since
Speaker 5: you have a.
Speaker 3: Feeling B minus B minus right in between B and C.
Speaker 7: My APUs sister teacher tried to argue to us that
Speaker 7: like C was a respectable grade because it's literally just
Speaker 7: like you met expectations, you did what you were supposed
Speaker 7: to do. And they're like, this is a really hard
Speaker 7: course and also it's weighted and you get a four
Speaker 7: when you're GPA anyway for a season, why are your
Speaker 7: parents yelling at me? I think for people who are
Speaker 7: working hard and want to give you like, I think
Speaker 7: the more common perception is a B is A acceptable,
Speaker 7: like your marking that I did my assignment, like I've
Speaker 7: met expectations in an A is A exceeds expectations. So
Speaker 7: I think the white sox because I'm a normal person.
Speaker 7: I'm like my APUs sister teacher would get a BE
Speaker 7: because like they did what they were supposed to, They
Speaker 7: added in all the areas they were supposed to. They
Speaker 7: absorb salary to avoid their prospect costs. I don't like
Speaker 7: as much as like people you know, say prospect hugging,
Speaker 7: like the idea they should be somewhat prudent in what
Speaker 7: they spend, like they were not asking him to like
Speaker 7: swing all the way to Dobrowski, Like I think it's
Speaker 7: I don't think like it's an absurd thing that that
Speaker 7: was a level of control they were trying to have
Speaker 7: throughout the process. I don't think like, ah, man, their
Speaker 7: cowards for not, you know, trading Caleb Bonomer. Caleb Botomer
Speaker 7: is an amazing interview. I hope they never trade him.
Speaker 7: I don't care what they need to do. The rejig
Speaker 7: of the roster around him, keep them around. So I
Speaker 7: think like they deserve even if, like I have quibbles
Speaker 7: for why, like every move doesn't quite hit like the
Speaker 7: sweet spot for like, man, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 7: Maybe I can kind of get there Braza bond like,
Speaker 7: especially if he comes out of the gate hot.
Speaker 5: I think it's a pretty good trade.
Speaker 7: But I think they did everything they were supposed to
Speaker 7: do at least to like the standard level you would
Speaker 7: have for acceptability at all of them. So I'd say
Speaker 7: a bee And you know CPS didn't give out pluses
Speaker 7: or minuses.
Speaker 5: So neither will I. Chicago Baby.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, so I was kind of close. Jim,
Speaker 3: what great would you give the White Sox trade deadline activity?
Speaker 8: Well, it's funny you mentioned Bonhimer being an amazing interview
Speaker 8: and not wanting to get traded. I talked to you
Speaker 8: to the nights I talked to over the past week,
Speaker 8: like talk to David, he got traded, talk to Adams,
Speaker 8: he got traded. And the best interview of all, like
Speaker 8: the guy who filled up my recorder was Ryan Galaney.
Speaker 8: I'm just like hoping like they're kind of trading from
Speaker 8: the Glaney tier. I'm really hoping that this, this piece
Speaker 8: I have lined up in my head of just like
Speaker 8: a really engaging guy is just all for not because
Speaker 8: he gets dealt before I have time to go through
Speaker 8: it and put it in a compelling order. So fortunately
Speaker 8: Ryan Glane, he is still around in that piece will
Speaker 8: still be relevant for a little bit. But I think
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go if we go with hard grades, no
Speaker 8: plus or minus. I think I'll take the C side
Speaker 8: of it in the sense that C is you know,
Speaker 8: it's a passing grade. It's not gonna get you into
Speaker 8: the good colleges. I guess if you really pay attention
Speaker 8: to the GPA that much, or if you don't, you know,
Speaker 8: load up on extra curriculars, but it does get you through,
Speaker 8: which I think this does. And to go back to
Speaker 8: the Luis Castillo conversation, like, I'm a little bit you know,
Speaker 8: between him and Doyle, I think there.
Speaker 5: Might be.
Speaker 8: A little too clever by half approach to this of
Speaker 8: just you know, Castillo, they beat them twice this year.
Speaker 8: They've beat the Mariners three times. They beat Castillo twice
Speaker 8: in the shape that he's in. So it feels a
Speaker 8: little bit like, well, we were able to take advantage
Speaker 8: of his vulnerabilities, but sure certainly we'll solve them by
Speaker 8: the time it matters. With the way their pitching development
Speaker 8: has been really uneven this year, I'm not sure how
Speaker 8: to put that much trust into it. And should his
Speaker 8: decline continue unabated, then that's a pretty big salary they're
Speaker 8: looking at. And you know, we'll see if they can
Speaker 8: work around it or try to mitigate it remove it.
Speaker 8: But you know they've struggled to do that in the
Speaker 8: past when it comes to spending past a problem. Same
Speaker 8: thing with Breton Doyle, like if he's coming off a season,
Speaker 8: you know, in the Atam Angle, count Adam Angle had
Speaker 8: a lot of different seasons. There's a lot of different
Speaker 8: atam Angle comparisons you can make between his peak and
Speaker 8: his very very beginning and the very beginning of the
Speaker 8: rebuild of the twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen I should
Speaker 8: say where he was playing, because they had nobody else
Speaker 8: who could place in our field. And if he drops
Speaker 8: back into one of those lesser angle modes, then it
Speaker 8: feels like either a little bit of an over investment
Speaker 8: or just kind of an idea. They still don't quite
Speaker 8: know what they're doing in the outfield, and you know,
Speaker 8: the Peters kind of sinks and Doyle isn't good or
Speaker 8: he gets hurt again and they lost Peira and they
Speaker 8: might lose Hayzepan and how it unfolds, and just their
Speaker 8: depth is a mess. So I think those are two
Speaker 8: that I'm kind of looking at, uh with a little
Speaker 8: bit of side eye, but not enough to where like
Speaker 8: I can understand why they did it.
Speaker 5: It's just.
Speaker 8: They haven't built up the reps I guess, proving they
Speaker 8: can do it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: And and yeah, they've they've been able to turn over
Speaker 8: some stones and find something valuable that other teams maybe
Speaker 8: weren't looking at, but mid season trying to fix the
Speaker 8: plane in mid air, I don't know if I can,
Speaker 8: you know, take that leap of faith to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 8: that's they're gonna nail this. I'm gonna I'm going to
Speaker 8: give it a C grade just because I feel like
Speaker 8: it could work out in a way that kind of
Speaker 8: falls apart on them, and I want to represent that viewpoints,
Speaker 8: even if I don't think it's a disaster, that a
Speaker 8: C grade might kind of imply depending on how you
Speaker 8: view a se My.
Speaker 3: Grade is going to be a C plus because this
Speaker 3: trade deadline heavily.
Speaker 8: You're doing what you accused us of doing.
Speaker 3: Split in the middle, I am. I am gonna be
Speaker 3: splitting the coccused because this trade deadline heavily leans on
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo. Joey Bart's impact will be limited. Brenton Doyle,
Speaker 3: I understand White Sox. What you want to do everything
Speaker 3: that you have mentioned is spring training. I have no
Speaker 3: idea how you're gonna help Bran Doyle fix a swing
Speaker 3: when you couldn't help Egar Carrow and Drew Romo fix
Speaker 3: their offensive issue. So my confidence in Brent Doyle being
Speaker 3: an offensive impact is zilch. Please just catch the ball.
Speaker 3: That's your job from August until the postseason for the
Speaker 3: very few innings that you'll be playing. Because I don't
Speaker 3: think there's any reason to disrupt the playing time of
Speaker 3: Sam Antonacci, Tristan Peters, and Braden Montgomery Brazobon. I think
Speaker 3: that's a good addition for the White Sox. I like
Speaker 3: that move. If Luis Castillo deals and he finds his
Speaker 3: older version, especially the twenty twenty three through twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five edition of Luis Castillo, then this trade deadline could
Speaker 3: be awesome for the White Sox. If he continues to
Speaker 3: pitch the way that he has well, then it invites
Speaker 3: really difficult conversations going to this offseason if it pretty
Speaker 3: much handcuffs what Chris Gaetz can do because they have
Speaker 3: this big contract for Luis Castillo on the books, and
Speaker 3: maybe the White Sox didn't generate that much money this
Speaker 3: season that they can't go and spend more in free agency.
Speaker 3: So I think this trade deadline really rests on Luis Castillo.
Speaker 3: I am cautiously optimistic that the White Sox can make
Speaker 3: that fix because Castillo is a veteran and he's been
Speaker 3: a he's had that proven success. I don't know why
Speaker 3: he's struggling so much this season, but he is the
Speaker 3: per type of pitcher that we've talked about in previous episodes.
Speaker 3: What happens if you take someone that doesn't have a
Speaker 3: short role or is it a bad team situation where
Speaker 3: the team continues to lose and you trade them to
Speaker 3: a contender? Do they get a second wind? I think
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo is going to get a second wind, But
Speaker 3: I understand your point, Jim, as far as a little bit,
Speaker 3: the glass is half empty. If he doesn't, this deadline
Speaker 3: doesn't look all that great, especially if Cleveland gets the
Speaker 3: boost that we think that they will with Foster Griffin
Speaker 3: and Joe Adell. But if Castillo really pitches well, then
Speaker 3: James is going to be right on the money that
Speaker 3: this is going to be a bad trade deadline. They
Speaker 3: got an impact player in Luis Castillo. Brazabon will help
Speaker 3: solidify the bullpen, Bart Doyle, I mean they're Depp guys.
Speaker 3: The impact for both of them will be limited. It's
Speaker 3: really on Kyle Teal to not hurt himself again during
Speaker 3: rehab and get back to the White Sox as soon
Speaker 3: as possible, and everybody sat stop having cold streaks as
Speaker 3: far as the play Peters. So that's how I feel
Speaker 3: as far as the trade deadline, you guys have let
Speaker 3: us know how you feel about the White Sox trade deadline,
Speaker 3: but it's over and now we can get back to
Speaker 3: focusing on the games. This is a huge week, a
Speaker 3: huge week for the Chicago White Sox. Will be recapping
Speaker 3: this series in Boston. The Red Sox had just been
Speaker 3: unconsciously on fire right now, so this would be a
Speaker 3: tough series for the White Sox. But we thought the
Speaker 3: series in Tampa Bay would have been tough as well,
Speaker 3: and the White Sox ended up winning that series and
Speaker 3: of course the big one this upcoming weekend as the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Guardians come into town. But that will do it
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