WEBVTT - Get To Know Topeka K. Sams 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.920 That's how we are. Once again, we have another one 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.000 of our friends were I wouldn't even say friends, our sister, 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:15.240 our comrade, conflicts, our partners in justice, Tiffany Dina Lofton. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.200 She is the immediate past national director of the n 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.200 double A CP Youth in College. She's also one of 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.240 our biggest advisors that until freedom, and she's the senior 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.960 advisor at Grassroots Law Projects. Welcome to the show. Finally, Dina, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.760 I don't even call it Tiffany, I call it Dina. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.120 What's going on? I can't believe you haven't been on 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.480 our show. That's like crazy, Like I thought you were 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.479 one of the first. We had all of Stephen Green, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.879 Leslie Redman, we had all of our um young leading 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.520 organizers on at one point. I had no idea that 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.520 you had been with us. But I guess today is 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.280 the right time. Today is the day. Today is the 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.280 day slow, It's day we've been working out here. So 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.320 I'm just honored to be on the show. And even 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.640 if I'm not on the show, I with y'all in person, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.000 so and I've met I've done better at that, And 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:10.920 I think that's what it is. You with us so 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.000 much that we assume that you on the show. You 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.960 know what I'm saying, Like Tiffany been there. I thought 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.119 you was a three pot times I was with y'all 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.720 on the studio, I just wasn't on the screen. But 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.920 here we got here, Like Tiffany is the show, you 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.880 are the show. You are the work. Thank you, sir, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.120 thank you, thank you. You know as much as we 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.800 love you, and we we we you know, we could 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:35.840 do a little small talk all the time. Right now, 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.000 we have serious business and you here to give us 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:43.119 some updates, you know about brother Julius and um, what's 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.800 what's currently going on? And I've here there's a lot 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.200 of little things going you know, some negative, some were 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.480 positive as of late. So give us some updates. So 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.920 I'm gonna start with this top headline. Elections are so 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:02.080 damn important, y'all. Elections are so damn important. So, uh, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:09.679 today is Thursday. We're on Monday. I flew from Washington, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:14.840 d C. To Oklahoma City anticipating Julius's clemency hearing that 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.920 was going to take place at nine am. When I 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.640 landed around nine pm on that Monday, I got my 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.239 phone was blowing up telling me that the coming to 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.800 hearing had been postponed, and I was trying to figure 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.120 out why. In two thousand and fifteen, the state of 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.920 Oklahoma halted all of its executions. It is that it 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.840 is one of the deadliest states, and I think it's 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.360 the second, but it's one of the deadliest states in 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.400 um when it comes to the death penalty. There were 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.880 a couple of botched executions that took place in What 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.840 that means is and so I need people to breathe. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.160 This is really howvy to talk about. What that means 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.200 is that they issued two executions through lethal injection, but 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.320 the cocktail of the lethal injection didn't work and so 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.440 people suffered before they died. So Oklahoma stopped the executions 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.639 in twenty five. Team Julius is one of seven people. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.560 Julius Jones is one of seven people who is now 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.440 scheduled on death row to be executed between now, which 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.119 was supposed to be today, with the first being John, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.320 a gentleman named John Grant, until March of next year. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.760 There are seven people on that list and that roster. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.000 The state of Oklahoma is now saying we're just going 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.760 to continue these executions. Nothing has happened since until now 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.760 they're just saying we want to continue them. But they 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.280 went to these seven people on death row and said 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.320 to them, if we can't do the legal injection because 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.600 it doesn't work, how else do you want to be killed? 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.360 M hm wow. Six out of the seven of them said, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.760 f you. You're not going to make me choose my 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.520 way to commit suicide. And it is actually against my 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.320 religious beliefs to commit suicide. So I'm not giving you 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:55.400 that that that that easy way out. On September, the 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.640 Pardoning Parole Board, who are people appointed by the governor 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.240 and the governor is selected by the people. They passed 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.240 a decision and recommendation to the governor basically saying, keep 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.240 Julius alive with the possibility of roll, don't kill him. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.080 We have evidence that that proves that he could be innocent. Now, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.159 the partner of rollboard is not a court or jury. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.440 It's just a partner of role board. So only power 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:20.800 that they the only power that they have is to 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.320 issue a recommendation to the governor. The governor looked at 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.040 that recommendation and said, I'm not going to make this decision. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.240 Y'all go back and have an entire hearing and do 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.159 it again. There's a couple of reasons why he could 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.599 have did that. My personal belief is he's been too 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.760 much of a punk to make a decision when he 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.360 could easily at any moment in time sign a piece 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.279 of paper stopping this entire process and freeing Julius and 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.440 making sure he's home for the holidays. The governor has 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.680 not done that yet. He keeps putting the blame and 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.919 trying to redirect it so the partner of role board 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.560 can now have that responsibility. He does not want to 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.159 make that decision. So a lot of stuff has happened 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.200 since then that we can talk about later. But where 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.160 we're at right now is because of because of the 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.640 protest that those seven p people took. Excuse me, six 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.920 out of the seven people took saying don't kill me. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.080 I don't want to be killed. You better figure this out. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.480 There was a lawsuit on the state of Oklahoma that 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.880 went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said, go 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.960 ahead and continue with the executions. Since they don't since 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.960 they didn't find another way, they didn't didn't tell us 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.600 how else they want to be killed, go ahead and 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.160 do lethal injection. Then we were worried about that, and 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.799 so then we found out that the Tenth Circuit, because 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.840 it got challenged, the Tenth Circuit, which is the regional 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.880 court of that area that which Oklahoma is a part of, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.120 said no, no, no on all y'all acting crazy over 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.480 there in Oklahoma, no execution stop it. This has been 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.159 a this has been a game, and it's been really 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.559 hard as somebody who's organized just supporting the local members 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.560 on the ground, supporting the family, both Antoinette Jones and 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.520 uh mom I called Mama Jones, but Madeline Jones, Mama Jones, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.479 and their brother and their dad, and especially Julius who's 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.479 been on death watch for over a week listening to 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.880 these different reports come in at any point in time, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.520 Am I gonna get killed? I'm not gonna killed, You're 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.000 gonna kill me, I'm not gonna kill me. It's been 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.760 an emotional rold coaster for the family, for the community, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.880 and especially for Julius. Where we're at right now is 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:15.200 because that Tenth Circuit said, don't kill nobody. The Attorney 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.800 General he has now tried to challenge that decision of 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.680 the Tenth Circuit court and we are waiting for that 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:27.919 response because of that challenge from the Attorney General General O'Connor. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.040 Today was October. There was a gentleman by the name 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.919 of John Grant was scheduled to be executed. Today he 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.320 is on pause. Julius Jones. He has a set execution 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.360 day for November eighteen. Because that ted circuit said no 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.600 one more executions. November eighteenth has been canceled. That is 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.680 a victory, but it's not the long term victory. We 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.760 want Julius to be free. Right If the November eighteenth 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.000 is canceled, he stays in prison for the rest of 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.680 his life. The only two opportunities we have right now 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.280 to say Julius and get him home is one again 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.640 the General has excuse me, the Governor has to sign 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.280 the permission for him to be released, not just on 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.800 his own accord, but his own board. His partner in 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.520 parole board said this is the right thing to do, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.080 so he should sign that and go with their recommendation. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.080 Or Julius has a scheduled hearing, the clemency hearing that 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.720 got rescheduled on November one, which is this coming Monday. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.360 We need that clemency hearing to happen so that Julius 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.880 can tell his story for the first time, so that 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.200 people can so that we can hear what his alibi, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.760 what he was at home with his family when the 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.160 murder happened. We have to be able to have the 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.440 witnesses and the information and the stuff that was not 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.640 shared the first time twenty one years ago, when Julius 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.440 had his first case and his attorneys didn't have any 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.240 experience running a capital murder case or dealing with anybody 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.080 on death row. We are calling for November one to happen. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 For that hearing to take place, we need the Governor's 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.200 Pardner in Parole Board to happen. It is not up 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.440 to the Partner in Parole Board if that's going to 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.239 happen on the first it's up to the Executive director. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.080 His name is Tom Bates, and it's upt to the 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.640 General Council of the Partner in Parole Board. So we 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.280 need those two solutions to happen right now. We need 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.480 that hearing on Monday, and we need the governor to 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.360 take action immediately so that Julius can come home and 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.680 so that the Paul that the Paul excuse me, Paul 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.040 Howell's family, who was the man who was killed his 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.160 family can can be at ease and rest and recover 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.400 because we are praying for his family to what happened 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.440 to his family, what happened to him is not okay. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.480 But we also don't want them to kill another innocent 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.680 man and call that justice just because we need the 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.520 governor and we need the partner of World Board to 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.320 do the right thing. But but I'm under the understanding 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:43.040 that Mr. Howell's family does not support the support they be. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.679 They do not support Julius being released. They do not 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.520 support that. No, they do not accurate, Yes, ma'am that 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.959 they do not. They believe they believe that even with 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:59.920 all the evidence, all the information that has released over 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.559 the last several years, but certainly most recently, all the 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.040 work that has happened in the state of Oklahoma, even 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:12.880 knowing because I I've actually watched information get out there 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:17.360 about the person that is actually what that that is 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:25.040 alleged to be for um Mr Howell's murder. Even with 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.920 all of that, the family is saying they still think 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:33.160 Julius should be held and executed or just held. It's 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:38.480 I've watched two interviews Oklahoma's media. They've had two interviews. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.480 I have watched them to make us say that they 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.120 want him to be held and executed. That is what 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.760 I've heard latest from the Hower family. Yes, it's just 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.720 so unfortunate man, just being being a victim of the 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.680 injustice system. Just understanding how they get it wrong. Just 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.000 understand how you can be falsely accused and sitting in 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.120 just several times for a crime that you do and 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.040 commit right to know that there's a brother and and 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.120 he's not the only brother. And throughout history we found 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.600 out that people sitting on death row should have never 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.800 been on even in prison. And to see that we 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:18.040 still have a justice system that when there is even 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.080 a shred or doubt that someone committed a crime, is 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.000 willing to put someone to death. Is so is mind 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.120 body gun? To me? Like, it doesn't if someone else 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.680 admits to a crime that you're about to take someone's 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.280 life for that in itself should at least say we're 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.199 not taking this, you know. And and and the fact 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.880 that that is not the process is the fact that 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.600 that doesn't immediately happen to me. It's just like who 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.760 created these lads? Who what you know? They said that 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.640 the lord is supposed to before the people by the 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.840 people what people sat down and came up with this 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.600 process and said that this made sense some very sick people. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.040 I earned a lot. So I've been doing organizing work 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.200 for the last twelve years this I've worked on a 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.960 lot of cases to free people who were about to 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.720 be executed. I've never been this close to the family, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.640 and I've spoken to Julius um there. There are two 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.439 sick things that have come up for me in this case. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:22.000 One is I don't understand why if somebody in this case, 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.600 Julius Jones. I don't understand why if Julius Jones had 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.760 a hearing that was scheduled so that he could testify, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.960 so that they can sort out the evidence and make 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.400 a recommendation to the governor, I don't understand why then 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.200 the warden of Oklahoma State Penitentiary where he is currently sitting, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.360 would put him on deathwatch before his hearing took place. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.200 It's mind boggling to me. When you are about to 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.440 be on death watch, they ask you the most sickening questions. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.240 What do you want your last meal to be? Who 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.440 do you want to hold your hand when you do it? 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.320 Who do you want to witness the execut u shan 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.240 psychologically what that can do to somebody. And then they 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.880 lock you underneath the jail in a little cold cell 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.400 and they feed you food through the door. But you 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.679 have you have a fifty fifty possibility because you just 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.160 got a recommendation to the governor to keep you alive. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.800 So why they we put you on death watch? To 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.120 begin with? Is stick itting to me and to your point, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.079 my son about policies and who makes these rules? That 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.480 was the warden's decision, and the warden is not elected. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.480 Then I'm trying to understand why we even do the 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.680 death penalty to begin with, right, why is that even 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.720 still a thing that states that people that that systems 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.200 We we know, we know that there are people who 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.160 have been executed who were innocent, and we still do it. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.040 We know that there are other ways. We have talked 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.080 about restorative justice in this injustice system, and and that 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.640 executing people actually doesn't stop crying. So there is a 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.800 whole entire conversation we need to have. And I and 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.240 I have learned so much and been challenged so much. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.800 I have lost sleep, I've had nightmares. I've been praying 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.560 very hard for Julius. This is not weak because we 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.240 didn't do this. Ship can I cind of start? We 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.240 didn't do this, But the people who made these decisions, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.080 to your point, my son, are some cruel, sick and 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.000 devilish people. How you can't even do that to me 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.800 is like I don't understand who. I don't even understand 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.320 how if you're human, I don't get it. I don't understand. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.320 It's torture and it's disgusting, and it happens to our 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.160 people the most. So unbelievable. Do you ask me? Man? 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.160 I've been watching this case, you know, and watching you 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.240 you know, people are real close to me or you know, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.680 this is one of his close friends, and just see 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.720 that that is taken, you know, and it's not even 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.599 this is not even somebody that I physically no, but 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.160 just watching it through y'all and just just having a 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.960 heart as a human being, it's like, damn, this man's 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.680 life is on the verge of being taken for something 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.600 that more than likely, you know, there is evidence that 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.520 says that he didn't do that's right, and since he's 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.840 been incresirated, so he went to jail when he was nineteen, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.280 he's forty one now at this point, he's been in 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.560 jail longer than he's been alive for something that he 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.040 didn't do and wasn't even act And so to take 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.040 his life, that means he lived nineteen years because it's 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.400 like we're talking about taking his life in the execution sense, right, 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.000 but to take his life and to lock him up, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.560 he's been in there since he was nineteen and what 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.600 and so so one he's been held wrong right like 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.160 that he wasn't supposed to be in the begin with 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.960 his His future has been taken from him. And if 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.680 he has any small chance of a future after this, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.080 which is dependent on the work that we all do, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.840 so quick, uh call to action to folks. We need 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.480 folks to go visit free Julius Jones dot com. That 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.560 is where folks can make phone calls to the people 0:14:58.560 --> 0:14:59.720 are asking how can I help, how can I help? 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.800 Say this black man. We need folks to go visit 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.520 free Julius Jones dot com so that they can make 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.680 phone calls not only to the governor, but to the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.120 executive director and that General Council that I was talking about. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.840 That window was very very very very small we had 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.320 between now and Monday, and if uh we do win that, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.240 or if we do not win that and the Attorney 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.560 General wins his case by contesting with the tent circuit did, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.120 then they will proceed with an execution. Mm hmm. So 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.960 this is not like we've got all the options are 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.120 still on the table, but the window that we have 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.000 is a lot smaller, right, we have between now and 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.320 November eighteen. Now we've got between now and whenever that 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.560 Attorney General response comes back, and we don't know when 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.480 that is. That can come out tonight, right, um, And 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.440 so we have that smaller window. But I I do 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.600 I want folks to go to free Julius Jones dot com. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 I want folks to follow the Grassroslot project. I want 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.120 to shout out until freedom followed. The support that y'all 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.320 have been doing, both in front of the scenes and 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.080 behind the scenes. Folks don't understand how we always organized 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.160 that we'd be getting stuff done. But even on your 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:58.680 social media page and the work that y'all have been 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.800 doing in phone call you'll have been making have helped 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.800 make that useful, have helped push the envelopes so that 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.960 the governor can pay attention. Because the thing that we 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.680 know ahead it's interesting that you say that because I've 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.720 sat by, and you know, people all why to meet 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.680 Mallory always have something to say, well why doesn't So 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.760 sometimes I just sit by and I said, Okay, let 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.760 me just you know, play my role, be in the background, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.360 do the things, find the scenes. But I realized that 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.000 if I didn't say anything on social media and rev 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.480 up our audience, if you will, the people who listen 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.960 to and support us, it would just be days that 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.480 go by and Julius would need to be mentioned other 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.880 than class fools law page. You know. Of course, Shaun 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.600 King has talked about him, um, you know, several times, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:49.920 and you see some of the same people out there advocating. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:56.080 But the folks who claimed that we all are overwhelming, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.480 and we are co opting, and we're all of these things, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.080 they have not done one thing to bring attention to 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.600 this situation and to try to fight to save Julius's lives. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.879 And the reason why they can't do that is because 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.240 they spend so much time focused on trying to tear 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.440 other people down that they are not even they don't 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.560 have any goal. Because to me, Julius Jones is probably 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.560 one of the most important issues of our time right, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.920 not because friends and family that we know have come 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.200 to us, but no, we know the facts, we understand 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.880 the story, and yet there are many days that Julius 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.920 is not even being mentioned by some of the same 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.199 people who have so much to say about us. And 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.120 I recently saw you online saying that one you don't 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.040 know everything, and too you shouldn't spend your life talking 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.600 about other people. And I know that the work sort 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.840 of at times, all of the energy, the negative energy 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.960 especially can get you down, especially you while you're also 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.560 working with someone who's on death row dealing with his family. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.000 It's a lie or Rolland for those people who don't know, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.560 we keep mentioning him, but we haven't said or Rolland 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.639 who is our friend who's also um a coach within 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.240 the n B a UM he works very closely in 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.320 terms of training um UH athletes, not just in the 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.719 NBA the NFL, and he also has a youth organization 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.040 where he trains young people as well. And he's our brother. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.439 UM you know he said to me one day I 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.480 called and he said, in his heart he believes that 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.680 julius life is going to be saved. And I want 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.160 to believe that also. But if for some reason this 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.280 system does not do what it is supposed to do. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.879 You should just know, Tiffany, that the world will acknowledge 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.080 eventually how hard you went for Julius and how much 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.320 um it became your own story, like you know, not 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.320 just something you're working on. But I see you and 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.280 your own leadership developed, been and growing, and so I 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.040 just want to make sure to give you your flowers 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.960 on street politicians and make sure you know that your 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.800 loved and appreciate it. And that means so much to 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.000 me coming from y'all as people. That two things that 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.480 you said, one that means so much to me because 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.520 everybody that we don't know can talk about us, but 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.200 what really matters the people that do know us. Yeah, 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:24.960 And I also know that if at any point I 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.480 am stepping out of line, which has happened before, but 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.240 the people that love me and the people that got 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.359 my back are the ones that I can go to 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.560 who will tell me the truth. And so to even 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.119 have and this is not to reverence you in my 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.239 son in any different way, right, but but to have 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.920 people that I look up to and people who I 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.080 feel like I've done this work genuinely even though they 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.440 get dragged even though they get talked about. And folks 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.000 don't always recognize this, But to me goause most of 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:54.240 the nine percent of the time, y'all get asked to 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.280 come and do this work. You don't just go on 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.119 everybody's business and show up and say I'm gonna help 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.399 you and save the world. People at I think for 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.280 Sean King, people called Sean to say, hey, can you 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.560 help with the Julius Jones case. This wasn't him popping 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.320 up and I wanted to help. He actually tried to 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.240 avoid it because he knows that people talk cracked about 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.320 him all the time. And I know that that struggle 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.720 as a leader is hard, and so it's I have 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.280 been nervous right to say, Okay, well people, what the 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.200 people gonna say, But at the end of the day, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:20.920 exactly what you said to me, because it doesn't matter 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:22.960 what people say. I'm doing God's work. God asked me 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.119 to be here. God put me here. I've been praying 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.040 since I left the end of a a CP to 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.439 do work that really really mattered to me. And this 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.240 is the work that really really matters. And it doesn't 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.639 matter what anybody else thinks, because anybody else gonna fly 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.360 to Oklahoma and yell at the governor organize a protest. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.960 Talked to Julius on the phone, who also believes that 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.040 he will be saved. Julius doesn't believe he's going to die. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.879 I spoken to Julius. Julius says, listen, I believe and 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.240 I have prayed that I'm going to be here, but 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.119 that this is this is about me, and God is 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.600 using me for a bigger cause. And if Julius, if 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.679 Julius on death broke, can say that to me, then 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.160 I have no other choice but to do the work. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.080