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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one of the gold standards of it
Speaker 2: for sure. And he said that that was it.
Speaker 1: Is like the titleist pro v one of RPO pack one.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: That's like the golf I have no idea what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. It's like three dollars a ball that expensive? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: no idea the titleist what pro v one is that?
Speaker 1: Does Tiger Woods use that ball? No, he's not a
Speaker 1: titlest guy's a Nike guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then it's not the best golf.
Speaker 1: Ball, No it is. Now well, also Nike, he doesn't
Speaker 1: make golf balls anymore.
Speaker 2: That's like saying, like, what what kind of helmet to
Speaker 2: Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: Were the Riddell VSR one that's the best helmet then,
Speaker 1: but they don't make it anymore.
Speaker 2: The greatest quarterback of all time war that helmet. Anyways,
Speaker 2: Evans's are Alex Bard with you for the next hour
Speaker 2: and thirty minutes here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We finally,
Speaker 2: thank God, has something tangible. I don't care. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a mini rant about this for
Speaker 2: a second, Alex, because we posted a clip of Matt
Speaker 2: Jones throwing a bomb to Taekwon Thorin yesterday at practice,
Speaker 2: and there's so many people that are like, Oh, it's
Speaker 2: against a r and there's no pass for it. I
Speaker 2: don't care. All right, we all want football. We're starving
Speaker 2: for it. Everybody wants to talk about some football. We
Speaker 2: finally got some actual tangible things to discuss, to take
Speaker 2: it off the piece of paper that it is currently
Speaker 2: on on the depth chart that hangs at all of
Speaker 2: our desks and actually put some bodies on a football
Speaker 2: field and run around for two hours. Okay, So yes
Speaker 2: is for all the Maurice Harrises and the Trey Nixon's
Speaker 2: and all of those the world. These practices probably don't
Speaker 2: mean a ton between what's gonna happen come this fall?
Speaker 2: Are the Patriots gonna win twelve games because Taekwon Thornton
Speaker 2: caught a bomb from Mac Jones in spring practice. Of
Speaker 2: course not, and we are fully aware of that, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that we're not going to have reactions,
Speaker 2: have opinions, and even maybe some overreactions to some of
Speaker 2: the things we saw. And I I have a few
Speaker 2: things that I want to overreact about, and I'm fully
Speaker 2: admitting that I'm overreacting about them. But where I want
Speaker 2: to start, and I think this is where everybody's starting,
Speaker 2: and for good reason, is overall with the offense, with
Speaker 2: what we saw out there from Bill O'Brien's group, and
Speaker 2: of course with the quarterback and Mac Jones, and not
Speaker 2: only what we saw at practice, but maybe also what
Speaker 2: we heard from him after practice as well. And I
Speaker 2: think the most telling answer and the most really what
Speaker 2: I felt, too, and I'm sure what you felt as well,
Speaker 2: Alex and the Mac kind of summed it up for us.
Speaker 2: All normal, yeah, normal like and that being just what
Speaker 2: it is is a sigh of relief, I think for
Speaker 2: all Patriots fans and as I wrote yesterday for spring
Speaker 2: practice for organized team activities OTAs, you at least saw
Speaker 2: and heard the things that you wanted to see and hear,
Speaker 2: like that was all it was we're not we're not
Speaker 2: planning the parade route, We're not getting our tickets booked
Speaker 2: for the Super Bowl? Or is it Vegas this year? Right?
Speaker 1: Sounds right? Yeah, you're not gonna book a ticket to Vegas.
Speaker 1: You love Vegas.
Speaker 2: I'm not booking any tickets, but you love the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I'm just it looked like a professional football team practicing offense,
Speaker 2: and that right there is a breath of fresh air,
Speaker 2: whether you want to take that and run with it
Speaker 2: or not. And then we can get into some of
Speaker 2: the details about what they were actually doing as much
Speaker 2: as I can. We can tell you guys, but what
Speaker 2: was what was your big takeaway from yesterday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean along those lines. They didn't have to
Speaker 1: stop practice because they couldn't get the right personnel on
Speaker 1: the field. They didn't have to stop practice because guys
Speaker 1: weren't lining up in the right spot. They didn't have
Speaker 1: to stop practices guys were false starting or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think there was only one lap run yesterday, I
Speaker 1: believe was Miles Bryant on a muff punt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like Max said, normal, and then I thought
Speaker 1: the other telling part of that quote, he keeps going
Speaker 1: when he was asked what it's like, what it's been
Speaker 1: like to work with Bill O'Brien. He says, I think
Speaker 1: the communication is the most important part and trust when
Speaker 1: working with a new coach so to normal staff that
Speaker 1: he trusts. Yeah, that's refreshing and it's hard not to
Speaker 1: look at that and not look at it in a
Speaker 1: comparative nature based off what they went through last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's just a couple of things from a
Speaker 2: football perspective. Obviously, what Mac Jones said after practice, I
Speaker 2: thought summed it up nicely. The optimism that you can
Speaker 2: take away from this practice, I think the other things.
Speaker 2: There weren't a whole lot of balls on the ground
Speaker 2: like that, and that's a good sign, right when they
Speaker 2: kept that thing moving. Yeah, the ball is not on
Speaker 2: the ground, it's you're not seeing that. How many times
Speaker 2: last year I can count It takes more than two
Speaker 2: hands to count how many times in a practice we
Speaker 2: would see Mac Jones or even Bailey Zappy holding the
Speaker 2: football in the pocket like just like holding it looking around,
Speaker 2: like what the heck am I supposed to do with
Speaker 2: this thing? How many times were there like coverage sacks
Speaker 2: or throwaways like that type of stuff should not happen
Speaker 2: in practice. That type of stuff shouldn't reflect in a
Speaker 2: practice setting what that is scripted, And that you're supposed
Speaker 2: to just be running through your base plays and you
Speaker 2: can't even get your base plays to work in the
Speaker 2: summertime is concerning That was not anything what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2: And then schematically, I was intrigued by what was going on,
Speaker 2: and you know, once you sort of pieced together some
Speaker 2: of the things that they were doing, it felt like
Speaker 2: they were installing, as they do this time of year,
Speaker 2: like the foundational elements of things that you can then
Speaker 2: clearly see what the plan is to then build off
Speaker 2: of those foundations elements. Like they spent an entire period
Speaker 2: offensively drilling screens right wide, receiver screens, running back screens,
Speaker 2: and they had all these different screen game concepts working
Speaker 2: in and you could see, how, okay, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: we fake the screen and then we go down the field.
Speaker 2: Maybe we RPO out of this. Maybe it's a run
Speaker 2: action paired with the screen, you know, in an RPO sense,
Speaker 2: Like there's different things that you can then go ahead
Speaker 2: and build off of those concepts. There was some play action,
Speaker 2: you know, some under center play action periods or we
Speaker 2: had more like two man route combos I would say
Speaker 2: down the field than anything, but there was a lot
Speaker 2: of that going on. There's a lot of motion going
Speaker 2: on as well, which I think really stood out, not
Speaker 2: just motioning to a receiver, motioning to kind of go
Speaker 2: into the pattern in the other direction, but also motioning
Speaker 2: blockers and moving blockers around, which I think is a
Speaker 2: good sign. Those types of things are just kind of
Speaker 2: that next PhD level of football that we're starting to
Speaker 2: see formation changes, you know, alignment shifts, stacks, bunches, different
Speaker 2: receiver splits, like moving guys around like that and using
Speaker 2: their different skill sets to the best of their ability.
Speaker 2: They were already doing that and I think that's encouraging
Speaker 2: as well. So they've been putting in some work. You
Speaker 2: can tell that this offense got in here mid April. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: they didn't get on the field with coaches until last week,
Speaker 2: but those meetings, you know, you still can accomplish a
Speaker 2: lot yea by going through the playbook and putting up
Speaker 2: examples and walking through things and talking through things, and
Speaker 2: you can tell that this group is already coming together
Speaker 2: even in May, which is that's all you want to hear.
Speaker 2: That's all you want to see. That's all you want
Speaker 2: to hear. The results then hopefully come from there. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to overreact too much to the actual
Speaker 2: play result, like what you know, tykon Thornton catching a bomb, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to overreact too much about that. It's
Speaker 2: more about the confidence, the synchronicity of everything, the efficiency
Speaker 2: of it all. Those are the types of things you
Speaker 2: look for in a spring practice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you just look at it compared to
Speaker 1: last year, and how much further along they look at
Speaker 1: this point compared to last year. I think that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here, And I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: super excited and I don't necessarily put any stake into
Speaker 1: the result of the plays. This time of year. You
Speaker 1: don't have the full team, nobody's in pads, nobody's going
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. They ran one high impact period the
Speaker 1: whole practice. I think they did a little live ish
Speaker 1: to minute thing. Yeah, which I want to get to
Speaker 1: a little bit. But like you said, everybody feels like
Speaker 1: they're on IMAX set. Everybody's on the same page, which
Speaker 1: we didn't really hear them say that. Last year was
Speaker 1: we're trying to get on the same page at this
Speaker 1: time last year and even beyond this point last year.
Speaker 2: I just think that it's such a it must be
Speaker 2: such a a good change for the players that there's
Speaker 2: no questioning like who's in charge right, like offensively defensively,
Speaker 2: but we're talking about the offense and for good reason,
Speaker 2: like everybody knows offensively that this is Bill O'Brien's joke.
Speaker 1: Well, remember when we were talking about when we were
Speaker 1: going through like who should they hire as the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: In that phrase kept coming up. You know, Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: wasn't just the offensive coordinator, he was the head coach
Speaker 1: of the offense. And we kept kind of going back
Speaker 1: to that thing. Bill O'Brien yesterday looked like the head
Speaker 1: coach of the offense, right, and Bill Belichick's back with
Speaker 1: the defense and all that, and it the process looked
Speaker 1: much more streamlined.
Speaker 2: Last thing about sort of the overall practice and the process,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to get into specific positions and
Speaker 2: players and kind of go a position by a position
Speaker 2: here on the different guys that we saw or stood
Speaker 2: out to us. I thought it was really telling that
Speaker 2: enduring a lot of the team drill periods of practice.
Speaker 2: They weren't coaching in between plays, and they weren't the
Speaker 2: coaches weren't on the field, they were on the sideline.
Speaker 2: And a lot of these practices, what you'll see is
Speaker 2: after every single play there's like a pause because somebody's
Speaker 2: making a correction, right, there's a coaching point that needs
Speaker 2: to be addressed, and in these there are. Then we
Speaker 2: get into training camp, and especially once we get into
Speaker 2: like joint practices and things like that, there's full periods
Speaker 2: of eleven on eleven and this was wasn't quite that,
Speaker 2: but there's full periods of eleven on eleven where it's
Speaker 2: almost like a game, like the coaches to call plays
Speaker 2: from the sideline that they would in a game, and
Speaker 2: there's no in between coaching elements, right, it's all just
Speaker 2: let's just roll the ball out and let's see what
Speaker 2: it looks like. Because that's we got to get to
Speaker 2: a point where the coaches are not going to be
Speaker 2: able to make a correction after every single play when
Speaker 2: it's live on a Sunday, right, So at some point
Speaker 2: we got to just let the players play. And they
Speaker 2: were already doing a little bit of that which tells
Speaker 2: me that mentally they feel good enough about that they
Speaker 2: know what they're running and they know what they're doing
Speaker 2: that they don't have to then go ahead and you know,
Speaker 2: I'll get you cut your route off here, and we
Speaker 2: want you to do it here, and we wanted you
Speaker 2: to do this, and we want you know. They don't
Speaker 2: have to do all of that necessarily as much last
Speaker 2: year it felt like there was a ton of that,
Speaker 2: or it was every single time something didn't look right,
Speaker 2: they had to hold up practice, make a correction, get
Speaker 2: everybody to like how many times did they like re
Speaker 2: huddle right, and like get everybody together and organize the
Speaker 2: troops again. And this this practice had none of that.
Speaker 2: So really all all good stuff from the Patriots offense. Defensively,
Speaker 2: I never looked too much into these practices because he
Speaker 2: can't hit anybody, so like, what what are you really
Speaker 2: gonna do defensively? All that much, I will get into
Speaker 2: some of the things that stood out on both sides
Speaker 2: of the football. We'll get to Alex's specialist hour as well.
Speaker 2: We'll get his take on on the rookies in the
Speaker 2: punter and the kicker Ryland I thought was okay.
Speaker 1: He was fine. Yeah, we didn't see it. They did
Speaker 1: one field goal period. It was like half speeds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baringer, I thought it's it's he's got a bearinger.
Speaker 2: You know that thing that that ball does pop.
Speaker 1: Off the barer barringer.
Speaker 2: Dude said it's bearinger.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was a barringer. But I go
Speaker 1: through Baringer. Okay. He If there's a position battle that
Speaker 1: can be won in the spring, it's kicker punter. And
Speaker 1: I would say after one practice, Baringer has a lead
Speaker 1: on Corlas weightman.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. So let's get into some position
Speaker 2: by a position stuff. Now that we did the big picture,
Speaker 2: we'll also take your calls eight five to five, pats
Speaker 2: five hundred. We already got a bunch of calls, so
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a couple of positions and we'll get
Speaker 2: to the calls. Then we'll finish up the positions. But
Speaker 2: let's start with quarterback. And we did touch briefly on
Speaker 2: some of the Mac Jones of it all and all
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. I know, there was a little
Speaker 2: bit made to do with the order. You know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like for some periods it was mac Jones.
Speaker 2: Then Trace mcsorly and then Bailey Zappy and because Bailey
Speaker 2: Zappy was getting in with some regulars like not you know,
Speaker 2: getting in necessarily with backups. But I did notice that
Speaker 2: David andrews cole straight like it was kind of Mac
Speaker 2: right like for the most part with those guys. Now,
Speaker 2: with that being said, like how did you feel they
Speaker 2: were out there? Not necessarily again like about every throw
Speaker 2: to secting it, but just in terms of how they
Speaker 2: carried themselves, how they read things, how they saw things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with Mac Jones specifically, and first off,
Speaker 1: just based off what we saw, I say, if there
Speaker 1: is a quarterback competition here, it's Max's job to lose
Speaker 1: to an extreme.
Speaker 2: That's I think the best way to put it is
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't say that the door is one hundred
Speaker 2: percent shut on a quarterback competition quite yet. It was
Speaker 2: one practice, so I can't.
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not twenty twenty Cam Newton Riggrets
Speaker 1: didn't going back and forth, not even not anywhere close
Speaker 1: to that. So I thought, when it comes to Mac
Speaker 1: and his like body language term body language, thank you,
Speaker 1: body language, and just the way he's carrying himself both
Speaker 1: on the field and talking to us after his rookie year,
Speaker 1: I felt like he had this mentality of I'm here
Speaker 1: to throw footballs and chew bubble gum, and I'm all
Speaker 1: out of bubble gum. Like he was just I'm here
Speaker 1: to sling it, right, and and whatever happens happens. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna do what I
Speaker 1: do and I just won a national championship on Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go have fun with it. Last year, even
Speaker 1: like early on in camp, it just felt like the
Speaker 1: weight of everything was on his shoulders. It felt like
Speaker 1: he felt responsible for everything that was wrong with the offense,
Speaker 1: which was not the case. And I don't necessarily fault
Speaker 1: him for feeling that way. Yeah, I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of how you want your quarterback to feel. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that fun came out of it
Speaker 1: for him last year because it was he was really
Speaker 1: just had to kind of try to drag that thing
Speaker 1: him and David Andrews. And this year I think it
Speaker 1: felt a lot more like he did as a rookie
Speaker 1: with just I'm just out here slinging the ball. Man.
Speaker 1: We're just out here, you know, playing football, having fun
Speaker 1: all that and being a football nerd like he called
Speaker 1: himself right, So that that was super encouraging to see
Speaker 1: because I think.
Speaker 2: Football nerds were cut from the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, me us too, Mac Jones, Juju Smith Schuster
Speaker 1: for all football this. Yeah, I think he's just getting
Speaker 1: a B mac Jones again. I don't think he got
Speaker 1: to B mac Jones last year, and I think that
Speaker 1: was tough. I think he's being mac Jones again. I
Speaker 1: mean that good way, and you know, how will that
Speaker 1: translate physically? That remains to be seen. But it feels
Speaker 1: like mentally he's in a much better spot than he
Speaker 1: was at this time last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think mentally being at a much better spot
Speaker 2: is a good way of putting it. Even from a
Speaker 2: football perspective, I thought the practice in his play within
Speaker 2: the practice, I looked a lot more in rhythm and
Speaker 2: sort of just the ball was coming out on time,
Speaker 2: the eyes were going to the right places for the
Speaker 2: most part from what we could tell, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a whole lot of indecisiveness or paused his game. I
Speaker 2: thought that when it really started to go off the
Speaker 2: rails last year from Mac you saw a ton of indecisiveness, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just that hesitation. Even when he was completing passes, there
Speaker 2: was just that hesitation of it wasn't coming out right
Speaker 2: when you would expect it to. It was maybe like
Speaker 2: a half a beat after that, And that was because
Speaker 2: he just wasn't one hundred percent sure. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that came from early on in the
Speaker 2: year last year too, when he threw all the interceptions
Speaker 2: in the first month of the year. He was trying
Speaker 2: to be so careful about the ball and like you said,
Speaker 2: you you have to be calculated, but you also have
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of that gun slinger mentality.
Speaker 1: Well I wonder too if that came because the coaching
Speaker 1: staff changed the entire offense. I wonder how much of
Speaker 1: that was He's getting mixed messages from the coaching staff
Speaker 1: of we're gonna throw the ball deep, but don't turn
Speaker 1: the ball over, because it can't really emphasize both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned though the the the like how decisive he was.
Speaker 1: I think I watched every single one of his throws
Speaker 1: and competitive drills yesterday. There was I don't know what
Speaker 1: was it, like twenty twenty five thirty throws or something
Speaker 1: like that. There was only one play where I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, Mac, make a decision, let's go get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball. Like he's kind of rolling around a
Speaker 1: little bit in the pocket there, but it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: once or twice, like that's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1: And they were we'll get to the defense in a
Speaker 1: little bit. But some of the defensive looks they were
Speaker 1: throwing out there were not last week and May looks.
Speaker 1: Those were you know, you know, November December kind of looks.
Speaker 1: So for the most part, yeah, I Mack did a
Speaker 1: very good job yesterday. Have just got to the back foot,
Speaker 1: knew where he wanted to go with the football, did it.
Speaker 1: He wasn't overthinking. That's not to say it was reckless,
Speaker 1: but there was very little overthinking I thought from him yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those are all good signs. And you know,
Speaker 2: with Bailey Zappy, honestly, I think that in this I
Speaker 2: mean this is all due respect to Bailey ZAPPI. He's
Speaker 2: not a knock on him or a shot at him.
Speaker 2: I almost forgot that he was at the practice for
Speaker 2: a little while, which I think is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Like when Tom Brady was here, I did not remember
Speaker 2: that Brian Hoyer was was was also taking part in
Speaker 2: the same practice, and I think that that speaks to
Speaker 2: sort of the competition of it all. Like a true competition,
Speaker 2: you know that the backup is mixing in right like
Speaker 2: he's involved. I didn't really feel the same way yesterday
Speaker 2: with Bailey Zappy. Trace McSorley, yikes, not a great practice
Speaker 2: for him. I think he threw three picks in practice,
Speaker 2: maybe even four when you're throwing picks like that, and
Speaker 2: seven on Evan in the spring. Not that we thought
Speaker 2: Trace mcstorley is gonna make this team or are pushed
Speaker 2: to start for this team or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: that brings us to the final guy they maybe isn't
Speaker 2: a quarterback after all.
Speaker 1: And uh, talk about you said, yes that you were
Speaker 1: very effusive. We weren't going to.
Speaker 2: Talk about it, I said, I wasn't gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, Evan, talk about it, talk about it.
Speaker 2: That's what we do here. We talk about everybody.
Speaker 1: And because it's a fun storyline.
Speaker 2: Stop, Uh, Malie Cunningham not in a quarterback red non
Speaker 2: contact quarterback jersey, in a white jersey, playing a decent
Speaker 2: amount of receiver and uh, then like pretty much exclusively
Speaker 2: until the very very end when they ran basic with
Speaker 2: the rookies. He was playing quarterback. I'm gonna say something
Speaker 2: nice about Mulie Cunningham. You should not about him as
Speaker 2: a receiver. Not taking that seriously yet, but I would
Speaker 2: much rather, much, much much much rather see Mullie Cunningham
Speaker 2: than Trace mcsore like.
Speaker 1: Not saying something nice about maning me to Trace mcsrely like.
Speaker 2: Stop just stop wasting my time, all right, No offense,
Speaker 2: Tracey mcsorly, But like, this is a it was, it
Speaker 2: got really rough, and it got rough to the point
Speaker 2: where it was hard to evaluate the other players.
Speaker 1: How it's not nice about Malie cunning that's just digging
Speaker 1: at Trace McSorley.
Speaker 2: Please let Malik Cunningham play the third quarterback.
Speaker 1: Please, No, bring in an actual third quarterback that's like
Speaker 1: a veteran and has been around this league and can
Speaker 1: help some of the younger guys grow, like a Brian Hoyer.
Speaker 1: That's what that role should be. Not mc soorly.
Speaker 2: I got, I got a little jazz and we're gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, segueing here to receivers. Obviously, No, No Cunningham,
Speaker 2: take you can't. I got a little bit jazz about
Speaker 2: Taekwon yesterday for good reason because Taekwon Thornton was the
Speaker 2: fiftieth overall pick in the draft last year. Taekwon Thorton
Speaker 2: went had a very very good last season and a
Speaker 2: pretty decent career at Baylor. Uh Taekwon Thornton ran a
Speaker 2: four two eight at the NFL Combine. Taekwon Thornton is
Speaker 2: a real receiver with real talent. That's why I just
Speaker 2: can't get any sort I'm just not moving it the
Speaker 2: needle at all. On Malie Cunningham, I think you have
Speaker 2: your take.
Speaker 1: You have this really skewed idea of what Malie Cunningham is,
Speaker 1: what fans thinking about. Nobody is saying Malik Cunningham is
Speaker 1: competing with Taekwon Thorny.
Speaker 2: No, nobody is saybody is saying that. But do you
Speaker 2: know how many people are saying, well, what about Julian Edelman?
Speaker 1: Like remember, okay, that is too far. Remember that is
Speaker 1: too far. And first off, based on what they had
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham doing yesterday, not a Julian Edelman type receiver.
Speaker 1: The kind of receiver looks like they're gonna try to develop.
Speaker 2: You remember Julian Edelman. He played quarterback in college. You
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a lot of people, and then he played
Speaker 1: in the slot. So they're developing. It looks like Malie
Speaker 1: Cunningham into a different kind of receiver. He did have
Speaker 1: the catch of the day. He did, he did. He
Speaker 1: did deep post from Trey mc sorely threw it high
Speaker 1: because of course he did. And Malie Cunningham goes all
Speaker 1: the way up the ladder to get it, because Malilik
Speaker 1: Cunningham is like the sixth floor, all the way up
Speaker 1: the elite. Cunningham is an elite athlete. He's he's an
Speaker 1: elite as He's not an elite athlete. He's an elite
Speaker 1: ball cary. He's an elite ball carrier.
Speaker 2: He's a He's an instinctive elite in that regard. In
Speaker 2: terms of ball carrying.
Speaker 1: He has it. He has the speed and agility to
Speaker 1: play wide receiver in the NFL, and the size six
Speaker 1: he had to catch the day there were he did
Speaker 1: have the catch of the day. Than who did? Then
Speaker 1: who did?
Speaker 2: Would I alwould put taekwon which catch the one early
Speaker 2: on in practice? I would put that over it any
Speaker 2: day of the week.
Speaker 1: He was wide open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he ran behind the old deep.
Speaker 1: That's the route of the day. That's not the catch
Speaker 1: of the day. Those are two completely different things. And
Speaker 1: I Wilson Cunningham for the one catch. There were a
Speaker 1: number of times where he looked like it was his
Speaker 1: first time playing receiver. He stumbled through some routes.
Speaker 2: I mean, Melik, Julian Edelman Cunningham.
Speaker 1: He stumbled through some routes. There was one where on
Speaker 1: the sideline he had the ball hit him in the hands,
Speaker 1: and I think he was too worried about getting his
Speaker 1: feet down in bounds to complete the catch. And like
Speaker 1: that will all come. Nobody realistic is sitting here, Evan
Speaker 1: and saying, Malik Cunningham is gonna be a five hundred
Speaker 1: yard receiver for the Patriots in twenty twenty three, not
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: But it took Edlman in a few years, Alex.
Speaker 1: So they have a project player, big freaking deal. Why
Speaker 1: are you so upset about that? Why can't we follow
Speaker 1: a project player. That's gonna be a fun story throughout
Speaker 1: the summer, which, by the way, yours, your Celtics are
Speaker 1: now out. We need things to talk about. Cunningham's a
Speaker 1: fun story. I know we're not, but we're not because Malik.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Malie Cunningham instead, because he's a
Speaker 1: fun story. The Patriots are in practice.
Speaker 2: Ratriots catch twenty two, not Celtics catch ten or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying, Malik Cunningham is a fun story.
Speaker 1: We could talk about him. Nobody's saying he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a breakout receiver for them this year. But he's a
Speaker 1: fun project player they have, just like Johnny Lumpkin, just
Speaker 1: like a lot of other players on the Johnny Lumkin
Speaker 1: is huge.
Speaker 2: She's a huge guy. He is a massive I'll get
Speaker 2: to that in a second here. First of all, my
Speaker 2: Mollie Cuttingham bit is is trolling at this point. It is.
Speaker 1: I stopped.
Speaker 2: I admit that it's half that. But second to that,
Speaker 2: I keep coming back to the same thing, and I
Speaker 2: say this to you all the time. I have no
Speaker 2: issues with like having a project player, but it's twofold
Speaker 2: right now. One did you just kind of notice that
Speaker 2: they don't really have that many receivers. They don't have
Speaker 2: that many.
Speaker 1: Resist I just felt they go into camp with too
Speaker 1: many receivers and guys end up just sitting there, So
Speaker 1: I'm actually okay with how many because they're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have Okay, but let me let's play this out for
Speaker 2: a second. Because Malie Cuttingham was playing receiver yesterday, I
Speaker 2: am not entirely sure that, Yeah, it's nice to give
Speaker 2: him a look there and see what he can do,
Speaker 2: and he's open to it and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure he would be playing receiver if
Speaker 2: they actually had more receivers to play. Because the other
Speaker 2: guy that was also playing some receiver yesterday was Rolly Webb.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a receiver.
Speaker 2: It was like early you know, in camp sometimes when
Speaker 2: Justin Bethel would have to play corner just because that.
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile guys got hurt and they put Justin
Speaker 1: Bethel in at the corner and he played well.
Speaker 2: Okay, but let's hope that doesn't come to that with
Speaker 2: Rally Webb.
Speaker 1: But this is the time. Look, if they're doing this
Speaker 1: in joint practices, I get where you're going. This is
Speaker 1: the time of year to try these things out. Fine,
Speaker 1: and I'm totally fine with it. I'm totally fine with it,
Speaker 1: and this time of year, it's fine for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: On the number.
Speaker 2: I'm not taking it seriously. I'm not taking it seriously.
Speaker 1: I thought we were doing overreactions.
Speaker 2: We are, and that's one thing I'm not reacting for.
Speaker 1: What it's worth. On the number of wide receivers, Keaishon
Speaker 1: Butte was limited, Jujus Smith Schuster wasn't there.
Speaker 2: So that's two more bodies they're gonna happen. They only
Speaker 2: have seven guys I think on the roster right now,
Speaker 2: even in you that are signed.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find last year's training camp Rosterer.
Speaker 2: I think they usually go in with like eight or
Speaker 2: nine at least, I want to say. So they don't
Speaker 2: have a ton of receivers. They just don't. And and
Speaker 2: and so Malie Cunningham and Raley Webb are getting reps
Speaker 2: in these practices as receivers as as a result, and
Speaker 2: I'm just not looking too much into it. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say about it. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm totally wrong about Malie Cunningham. I'm not giving
Speaker 2: him enough credit, and he ends up being a player
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. But I'm just not there yet. And
Speaker 2: I have the thing that I always say to you
Speaker 2: when we argue about this, even off the air, because
Speaker 2: that's what we do is teams that have loaded receiving
Speaker 2: groups are not going into training camp worring about Malie Cunningham,
Speaker 2: right like the Philadelphia Eagles are not going into training
Speaker 2: camp and thinking about oh, like this, you know Udfa
Speaker 2: that might be a quarterback, might be a No, they're
Speaker 2: not thinking about those guys. And if they are thinking
Speaker 2: about those guys, it's like, oh, wouldn't it be nice
Speaker 2: if this worked out? But that's what we're no, no, no,
Speaker 2: not with Malie Cunningham. It's like it's almost like it
Speaker 2: needs to work out. I I why where is this
Speaker 2: take coming from? Why does he need to work out?
Speaker 1: I just by the way they bother they had not
Speaker 1: including Slater in either one of these. They had nine
Speaker 1: receivers last year in camp. They've eight this year. So
Speaker 1: it's a one player difference, I feel.
Speaker 2: And that's well, I guess because Juju wasn't there or.
Speaker 1: No, sorry, sorry, it's eight and eight because this list
Speaker 1: I'm looking at last year has Time Ontgomery as a receiver. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's eight and eight, so it's same number. Yesterday
Speaker 1: they were shorthanded yeah, but Juju's gonna be back Kaisha
Speaker 1: and Bute is gonna get on the field. You talk,
Speaker 1: you talk about it. Can we let's move on from
Speaker 1: talk about it? Because you talk about the Eagles and oh,
Speaker 1: you know they're not doing this. They freaking love Tyree Jackson,
Speaker 1: who is a converted quarterback they're trying to turn into
Speaker 1: as tight end.
Speaker 2: They they might freaking love him, but they don't. They
Speaker 2: like the idea of a guy named Dallas Goddard who's
Speaker 2: actually playing tight end for them, you know. He just
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I think we know the Patriots don't have a
Speaker 1: number one receiver.
Speaker 2: That's but it's the Jeff Thomas of it all. It's
Speaker 2: like every year we have to do this right, Like
Speaker 2: I'll even say, like to the an extent that like
Speaker 2: Trey Nixon or de Mario Douglas might like fit this
Speaker 2: category too. Every year we have to overhype some guy that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, his YouTube highlights are are good, and like
Speaker 2: we're just gonna get all jazzed up about it the
Speaker 2: guy that And I want to segue because we talked
Speaker 2: too much about Malie Cunningham for my liking the guy
Speaker 2: that I think that we should legitimately be bullish on
Speaker 2: is Taekwon, Like Taekwon to me, has a real chance
Speaker 2: to break out. And I've had this take all along
Speaker 2: and it's not like a hot take or anything, but
Speaker 2: Taekwon's breakout or potential goes hand in hand with Mac Jones'
Speaker 2: breakout in potential. Right. If Mac Jones is going to
Speaker 2: break out and throw for thirty touchdown passes this year
Speaker 2: and be the quarterback that takes that next step, he's
Speaker 2: gonna need somebody to come along with him. Like he
Speaker 2: said yesterday, I'm gonna run my race and hopefully everybody
Speaker 2: runs behind me. That was a Mac Jones quote for
Speaker 2: you yesterday. Taekwon Thorton is the guy that if this
Speaker 2: offense is truly gonna hit its ceiling and hits its
Speaker 2: utmost potential, it's gonna have to be because Taekwon Thornton
Speaker 2: plays like a second round pick.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you just had that whole thing about I
Speaker 1: don't want to sit here and hype up the guy
Speaker 1: who has the pretty highlight tape and now you're good,
Speaker 1: we're gonna overreact to Taekwon Thornton, who I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton can't be good this he we know he's
Speaker 1: faster than everybody else on the field. We've known that
Speaker 1: since they drafted him. I don't know what else did
Speaker 1: we see yesterday, Evan.
Speaker 2: I think we saw some route detail that he didn't
Speaker 2: put out on the tape.
Speaker 1: Line you reacting to the highlight tape. Basically, this is
Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy. Oh he's he breaks
Speaker 1: out in many camp because he's faster everybody else. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: he must be going. This is the exact kind of
Speaker 1: guy you're saying you don't want to focus on.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that because I think that Taekwon
Speaker 2: we knew that that that had he had that baseline
Speaker 2: of speed. I think what we saw yesterday was a
Speaker 2: little bit more of an ability to various speeds, change speeds,
Speaker 2: and like use that superpower. Like he knows that he
Speaker 2: has the threat of taking off on every single play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and every corner he goes up against is going to
Speaker 2: have to respect the fact that this guy can take
Speaker 2: the top off.
Speaker 1: But that changes once guys can hit him at the line,
Speaker 1: and once guys can hithm at.
Speaker 2: The I agree, although he did have a really nice
Speaker 2: release against Jack Jones. Maybe it's because Jack Jones can't
Speaker 2: really use his hands yet that's a movement was there.
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to go there with Taekwon Thornton yet,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not willing to.
Speaker 2: Go I'm not willing to go there to the extent
Speaker 2: of like I'm gonna say that Taekwon Thornton's gonna have
Speaker 2: a thousand yards is gonna totally break out. I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit more bullish on somebody else that will get
Speaker 2: to down the line. Other than that, but with Taekwon,
Speaker 2: the things that I saw from him from the details
Speaker 2: of his routes, like I just thought it was crisper.
Speaker 2: I thought he was coming in and out of the
Speaker 2: break crisper. I thought it was more efficient. I think
Speaker 2: last year there was a lot of wasted movement in
Speaker 2: his route, running both at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 2: at the top of the route. And I think this
Speaker 2: is really where Bill O'Brien can help him at the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, is getting him off the line, like
Speaker 2: bringing him in motion, using him a little bit more
Speaker 2: in the slot, using him off the line of scrimmage
Speaker 2: in a bunch or a stack where he doesn't have to,
Speaker 2: you know, put a move on a guy in press
Speaker 2: and then get up the field and then get into
Speaker 2: the like all that type of stuff I think really
Speaker 2: slowed him down last year and this year. I think
Speaker 2: that he what he showed me yesterday is a like
Speaker 2: he he knows his superpower right, and we can now
Speaker 2: build off of the superpower of the speed, which is key.
Speaker 2: And two, I think that there was a little bit
Speaker 2: more efficiency to his movements. I don't think that there
Speaker 2: was quite as much jibber jabber, you know, happy feed throwing,
Speaker 2: fake throwing, bobbing and weaving. Like it was just kind
Speaker 2: of go, get up to that to a good speed
Speaker 2: with that acceleration, get guys on their heels, and then
Speaker 2: break off of it like he caught that out route
Speaker 2: that he caught, just undress the corner. Now as a
Speaker 2: practice squad corner. I'm not gonna sit here and be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like this is you know, him going
Speaker 2: up against Jalen Ramsey and the Miami Dolphins or whatever
Speaker 2: Darius slagh week one against Philadelphia. But that ability to
Speaker 2: get up the field, get the corner on his heels
Speaker 2: and then break it off. That's Those are the types
Speaker 2: of routes that are gonna make him a higher volume guy.
Speaker 2: You can't just throw deep shots to them all day long.
Speaker 2: He's got to build something else off of that, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be the underneath stuff. It's going to
Speaker 2: be getting guys to open up there and get on
Speaker 2: their horse and then breaking it down and then get
Speaker 2: and losing them. At the top of the route, he
Speaker 2: caught a slant coming over the middle of the field
Speaker 2: that probably would have been a big play. Like those
Speaker 2: are the types of routes that get me a little
Speaker 2: bit excited.
Speaker 1: I just want to see it when he's going against
Speaker 1: guys that can hit him.
Speaker 2: It's fair, it's fair, and I am willing to wait
Speaker 2: as well before I get really excited about Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 1: But it was good.
Speaker 2: Yesterday was the best practice I've seen him have in
Speaker 2: any setting, whether it was OTA's last year Mini camp,
Speaker 2: last year training camp. Last year, he had like one
Speaker 2: catch every couple practices where you're like, oh, there it
Speaker 2: is right, like he could yesterday. He was consistently opened
Speaker 2: the entire practice, and that's exciting. It should be exciting.
Speaker 2: You're allowed to be excited about it. The other receivers,
Speaker 2: you know, DeVante Parker didn't really do much. He caught
Speaker 2: that one screen that he might have housed it in
Speaker 2: a game, but it wasn't like really, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens in real life. Kendrick Bourne was more involved,
Speaker 2: but again I think almost add of necessity to a degree.
Speaker 2: So I'm not ready to Well, the question.
Speaker 1: Is going to be when Juju comes back, who's the
Speaker 1: odd man out because he was a pretty regular rotation
Speaker 1: at receiver yesterday without him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did drop a pass up the scene,
Speaker 2: which was wasn't great. But other than that, I thought
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne I was back involved.
Speaker 1: And maybe that I mean, if we want to talk
Speaker 1: about usage, if you're gonna hype up Taekwon Thornton, yep,
Speaker 1: I thought the kind of routes, say Kendrick Bourne running
Speaker 1: were a lot more like what he was running in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I thought they had him playing a
Speaker 1: lot more to his skill set. I know you aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily counting on a bounce back year for Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 1: I kind of am, and I think they're going to
Speaker 1: try to really tap into what worked for him in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one compared to what they had him doing
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was the biggest thing, and I
Speaker 2: think that's that's a good way of putting it. With
Speaker 2: all of the receivers, and you can throw Tomario Douglas,
Speaker 2: who I think is important to put the context in
Speaker 2: that he was doing it mostly with backups, right, like
Speaker 2: he wasn't cracking the top rotation, is my point. But
Speaker 2: that being said, everybody seemed to be doing things that
Speaker 2: made sense, right, Like Kendrick Borden was running routes that
Speaker 2: made sense for him, Taekwan was running routes that made
Speaker 2: sense for him, and then Tomorrow Douglas was running out
Speaker 2: of the slot, catching passes underneath the defense, doing some
Speaker 2: things like gadget type things as well. All of it,
Speaker 2: you could see that they have plans and they have
Speaker 2: visions for how to use all these players, and we're
Speaker 2: already to a point where it's almost like they're already
Speaker 2: calling plays for that vision, right and designing plays for
Speaker 2: that vision. And that's kind of what you get with
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien. So that's the quarterbacks, that's the receivers. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about running backs, and then We'll take some of
Speaker 2: these phone calls. Time Montgomery. Time Montgomery is like the
Speaker 2: best practice player that like on this team. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy, like he has done nothing in the
Speaker 2: NFL for like two years, Like in an actual NFL game,
Speaker 2: maybe he is like the peak Murray's Harris right, Like
Speaker 2: maybe he is like peak practice.
Speaker 1: But no, like Montgomery's been hurt. Yeah, he's proven himself
Speaker 1: in the NFL before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he I'm not He's not a game changer out
Speaker 2: of the backfield. He's not James White, He's not even
Speaker 2: like Shane Vereen right, He's not like a real game
Speaker 2: breaker out of that spot. But it just seems like
Speaker 2: whenever the quarterback needs to dump the football off and
Speaker 2: he's involved in the practice, when they look for him,
Speaker 2: he's where he's supposed to be, and he catches the
Speaker 2: football and then he gets up the field and it's
Speaker 2: going to give you at least a little something after
Speaker 2: the catch potentially as well. But it's like there's a
Speaker 2: he's a safety blanket. It's a reliability, like he always
Speaker 2: seems to be where he's supposed to be at he
Speaker 2: catches the football, and there's it doesn't look at all
Speaker 2: that difficult for him. So once again, here we are
Speaker 2: in the middle of the summertime or the spring, and
Speaker 2: we're talking about Toime Montgomery potentially having a role on
Speaker 2: this football team. I think that that's that's valid. I
Speaker 2: think that there's definitely a path. Again, he think he
Speaker 2: looks like the most natural receiving back on the team,
Speaker 2: even more said than some of the younger guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, again, it's gonna be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: that all shakes out. I thought, just to we're on
Speaker 1: the running backs, I thought Pierre Strong Kevin Harris got
Speaker 1: some good reps yesterday.
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris looks a little lighter. He does look he
Speaker 2: does a little more spry out.
Speaker 1: But I think the both of them, you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about the high impact reps, and we kind of
Speaker 1: talked about this with Mac Jones and the quarterback competition.
Speaker 1: I thought the two of them got some high impact reps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which was good to see. I don't think this they're
Speaker 1: gonna sort this thing out behind Remandre and whether it's
Speaker 1: four guys for two spots, four guys for three spots
Speaker 1: between Montgomery, Robinson, Strong and Harris, like that part's not
Speaker 1: clear yet, But it's gonna be some combination of those
Speaker 1: four fighting for two or three spots, and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one hell of a competition. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be close, because, like you said, I thought
Speaker 1: Montgomery he looked great yesterday and he looks healthy, and
Speaker 1: he looks ready to go. I thought Harris and Strong
Speaker 1: both had a solid prac I thought they rotated all
Speaker 1: for relatively equally. If there's one guy we saw a
Speaker 1: little less of, it was James Robinson. But sometimes they
Speaker 1: go practice practice. Sometimes it's hey, you know, this was
Speaker 1: a Time Ontgomery practice, and next week will be the
Speaker 1: James Robinson practice, and so it's just when practice we
Speaker 1: can't go there yet. But it's interesting that it seems
Speaker 1: like all four guys are really in the mix. Even J. J.
Speaker 1: Taylor got some good run yesterday. Yeah, I still think
Speaker 1: he's on.
Speaker 2: The outside showing the wide right for the Bills, And
Speaker 2: I just never gets old watching the Bills lose. Anyways,
Speaker 2: I just feel like Time Montgomery is he just always
Speaker 2: seems to look the most at home in that role.
Speaker 2: Like they've tried. I think they are still trying to
Speaker 2: work with Pierre Strong, you know, to get to that point.
Speaker 2: I think they're still trying. Maybe there's a little bit
Speaker 2: more out of Kevin Harris than they expected as a receiver.
Speaker 2: I did not expect Kevin Harris when he came into
Speaker 2: the league to catch very many passes at all. Maybe
Speaker 2: he could do a little bit more than that. I
Speaker 2: think James Robinson still has a chance to do some
Speaker 2: of those types of things. But it always keeps coming
Speaker 2: back to Time Montgomery. Whenever he's out there, he just
Speaker 2: looks like a good fit there. All right, let's take
Speaker 2: some of these calls and we'll get to the rest
Speaker 2: of the roster. Here. Chris is in Fresno. Thanks for
Speaker 2: hanging on, Chris. What's up?
Speaker 3: How's it going on? I have a quick question. I'll
Speaker 3: actually have two questions. So, based off what you saw yesterday,
Speaker 3: do you think that we still need to cheat up
Speaker 3: number one R receiver, you know, like Hopkins, or do
Speaker 3: you think that we're good with the group that we
Speaker 3: have now? And then my second question is, how did
Speaker 3: it on? Mike is sticky like yesterday would be playing
Speaker 3: more tight end, more receiver. I'm not sure she gots
Speaker 3: to report on, But thank you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris and yeah, that's a good segue because tight
Speaker 2: ends was the next stop along this track here. Well, sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, No, let's talk about the receiver question real quickly.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell because they didn't have Juju out
Speaker 2: there yet, so we don't know exactly how it's all
Speaker 2: gonna fit together. But I think what really came to
Speaker 2: fruition yesterday and sort of the vision if you just
Speaker 2: assume it's either gonna it's going to be Juju, probably
Speaker 2: in the role that Kendrick Bourne was playing yesterday, with
Speaker 2: Taekwon in the role he was playing, and then DeVante
Speaker 2: Parker and really DeAndre Hopkins is kind of the only
Speaker 2: guy out there we know. He's the name right now.
Speaker 1: Well, so the one thing I was gonna add is
Speaker 1: Diana Ruscini just reported that Patriots are interested. For what
Speaker 1: I There's been four or five reports over the last
Speaker 1: couple of days that have said that where'd the full
Speaker 1: one go here? Patriots are interested, The Bills have had conversations,
Speaker 1: but are not all in on Hopkins. Whatever that means. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's one of the teams that we thought, you know,
Speaker 1: in that the Cowboys and Jets are not interested.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the real question, and look, maybe there's still
Speaker 2: a number one receiver that comes out of nowhere that's available,
Speaker 2: but this time of year, we've kind of that ship
Speaker 2: has sort of sailed, right, Jerry Judy is not all
Speaker 2: of a sudden gonna get traded sad at this point
Speaker 2: or or something like that. So Hopkins and not that
Speaker 2: this has changed based off of yesterday at all, but
Speaker 2: what you're really talking about his Hopkins taking over Devonte
Speaker 2: Parker's spot, right, And I still think that that's one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent worth it for the Patriots. And
Speaker 2: I'll add to that, and we talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about this on PU on Tuesday, I think, but I'll
Speaker 2: add to that that the Patriots should absolutely do everything
Speaker 2: in their power to get DeAndre Hopkins on this football team.
Speaker 2: Like there's money that should not be an object. They
Speaker 2: should be giving him what he wants. They should be
Speaker 2: backing up the Brinks truck because in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: even if it's just off of reputation, even if he's
Speaker 2: not the same guy that he used to be, but
Speaker 2: just having him out there just makes opposing defenses think
Speaker 2: about the pecking order a little bit differently. At wide receiver,
Speaker 2: it just opens up so much for everybody else. So
Speaker 2: even if he's just running Devonte Parker's routes in the
Speaker 2: X receiver spot and doing exactly what Devonte Parker did
Speaker 2: last year, I still think that there's something to be
Speaker 2: said for this is DeAndre freaking Hopkins right, Like, this
Speaker 2: is a different animal than than DeVante Parker.
Speaker 1: This goes back to it you were complain think about
Speaker 1: with Malie Cunningham. Why do we keep having a manufacture
Speaker 1: these wide receiver ones and guys like Malie Cunningham. Well,
Speaker 1: so if they get DeAndre Parker, can we talk about
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham then without you throwing a fit, Maybe I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair bet.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's fair they get Hopkins and.
Speaker 1: Again and maybe DeAndre Hopkins teach to this matter of factly,
Speaker 1: the Patriots should be doing everything in their power to.
Speaker 2: Get DeAndre Hopkins to New England. Like this is not
Speaker 2: This doesn't happen too often in the NFL. And Alex
Speaker 2: you can speak to this that on June first, a
Speaker 2: player for free, not via trade right for free, well money, but.
Speaker 1: No picks.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the mister Kraft for everything. It's your money.
Speaker 2: It's not mine right for free.
Speaker 1: Spoken like a true team.
Speaker 2: The player you can get that caliber this time of
Speaker 2: year is rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And let me interject there, because I hear people
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I'm literally seeing it pop
Speaker 1: up in the chat on Facebook as we speak that
Speaker 1: word washed. He is washed. And look, on one hand,
Speaker 1: I get it. He's going into his age thirty one season.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The thirty mark is generally a pretty strong line of
Speaker 1: demarcation for wide receivers. There's very few wide receivers that
Speaker 1: produce after thirty. But a couple things on that. First off,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: slow because he's not slow. He's never been a burner, right,
Speaker 1: if we were to list NFL burners, it would be
Speaker 1: a while before we got to DeAndre Hawkins has never been.
Speaker 1: He wins on route running, he wins on body control. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he's got tremendous hands, right, catch radius, all of that. Everybody,
Speaker 1: When I do that explanation, people go to buld hands.
Speaker 1: I like to save the best for last. Okay, outstanding hands,
Speaker 1: outstanding catch radius, those things don't go away with age
Speaker 1: the way speed does his game translates better without speed.
Speaker 1: Like you see guys who are really fast and then
Speaker 1: they lose a step or two and suddenly they're not
Speaker 1: the same player. I compared to in baseball, right, the
Speaker 1: guys the pitchers who are great because they throw one
Speaker 1: hundred and one. They can't necessarily spot the ball, but
Speaker 1: they're throwing it so hard it doesn't matter. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, one oh one becomes ninety six and they're
Speaker 1: just throwing batting practice. Versus a guy who has thrown
Speaker 1: eighty nine his whole career and it's not impressive, but
Speaker 1: he can put it right on the black every single
Speaker 1: time and it's got nasty movement. Those are the guys
Speaker 1: that pitch into their late thirties early forties, compared to
Speaker 1: these fireballers that are generally sillying.
Speaker 2: Is that is that DeAndre Hopkins is the eighty nine
Speaker 2: mile an hour control guy.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is more Nolan Ryan than he is like
Speaker 1: Madison Bumgardner. Right, Madison Bumgardner was throwing gas and then
Speaker 1: he wasn't throwing gas, and he really wasn't that good anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a guy. There's less of
Speaker 1: these guys now because everybody wants to.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I'm just gonna like use this
Speaker 2: and baseball is not my thing, but we're running with
Speaker 2: this analogy. Greg Maddox, right.
Speaker 1: Greg Maddox would be a great example. Greg Maddox was
Speaker 1: always like, okay, duh Verlander, Yeah, justin Verlander never threw
Speaker 1: a hard but he's still going great because he can
Speaker 1: pinpoint it. And it's so anyway, it's enough baseball. It's
Speaker 1: talk for the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing iceball season.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the other thing I want to bring up
Speaker 1: on Hopkins that kind of backs this up, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, you're just saying that blah blah blah like,
Speaker 1: but it will fade. He's old. I know you hate
Speaker 1: like pace talk, right, like seventeen game pace.
Speaker 2: No, but last year he on a per game basis,
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hockens want the number. Still a top ten receiver
Speaker 2: in the league, not just top ten.
Speaker 1: So first of all, he was ninth in quarterback rating
Speaker 1: when targeted. And the reason I like that stat is
Speaker 1: who were the Cardinals quarterbacks last year? He was playing
Speaker 1: nobody good when I was Trace McSorley.
Speaker 2: Actually, he's never played with a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're we're on the same boat about Kyler.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to start a whole thing about Kyler,
Speaker 1: but let's sort okay, DeAndre Hopkins had he so he
Speaker 1: played nine games last year, about half the season. Had
Speaker 1: he played seventeen? Evan, you tell me if a guy
Speaker 1: with these numbers you're interested in bringing.
Speaker 2: In, is this something you might be interested in?
Speaker 1: One hundred twenty one yards, yeah, or sorry, hundred twenty
Speaker 1: one catches, hundred twenty one catches, one, three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty four yards, six touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing is like, I.
Speaker 1: This is a thirteen hundred yard receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. This is the pushback that I
Speaker 2: don't really understand, you know, I think in not taking
Speaker 2: any shots that I think it was Albert Breer that
Speaker 2: like had those like NFL execs say about DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 2: that he can't run anymore, like something like that, and
Speaker 2: a that was just like never his game. But also
Speaker 2: the numbers were the numbers last year. Like, you're you're lying, right,
Speaker 2: You're you're lying when you're saying that you're being disingenuous.
Speaker 2: A guy can't put up thirteen hundred yards in the
Speaker 2: NFL without being able to get open.
Speaker 1: Still, can I throw up one more number? Actually, I
Speaker 1: just found this because I know Patriots fans are petrified
Speaker 1: of Jalen Ramsey, who, by the way, I think that
Speaker 1: acquisition from Miami's totally overblown. I was out on Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the player he once was. If
Speaker 1: you're a Patriots fan, you're petrified of Jalen Ramsey on
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Here's what DeAndre Hopkins did against the Rams
Speaker 1: last year. Ten catches ninety eight yards. Yeah, no, he's
Speaker 1: he can he can still play. Yeah, he can still play.
Speaker 1: And he's do you still think he comes in here
Speaker 1: and as your best receiver? And that's what the Patriot
Speaker 1: should be looking for. Tight ends though, that's our DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins a bit right there. I think both of us
Speaker 1: are on board with throw whatever type of money bag
Speaker 1: you need to throw at that guy to get him
Speaker 1: to New England and recruit him, bring him to Nantucket, Bill,
Speaker 1: you know, get him on the.
Speaker 2: Payroll. Let's do it. Tight ends. I thought that there
Speaker 2: were two plays that stood out from the tight ends.
Speaker 2: First of all, we mentioned Johnny lump Get a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier. That is a massive human. I thought he
Speaker 2: was a tackle. I really did. I thought because he's
Speaker 2: wearing sixty five, because he's in the rookie number right now,
Speaker 2: and he looks the part of a sixty five. So
Speaker 2: he's a big dude. I think that's intriguing. There was
Speaker 2: one play where Mikeasicki just crossed over the middle of
Speaker 2: the field and caught a crossing pattern, hit him in stride,
Speaker 2: turned up a little bit, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: there's MIKEA Sicki right, Like, that's why he's here. He's
Speaker 2: here to horizontally stretch the field, vertically stretch the field
Speaker 2: from inside the formation as a tight end, slash slot receiver,
Speaker 2: big jumbo slot, whatever you want to call it. And
Speaker 2: then there was a corner route the Hunter Henry wrong
Speaker 2: on the right sideline that was vintage Hunter Henry right.
Speaker 2: It was a clear out, vertical, flat corner three level
Speaker 2: flood hits him right in this in the honey hole
Speaker 2: there on the sideline, and I was like, well, that's
Speaker 2: vintage Hunter Henry. So there's a lot out there about
Speaker 2: both of those guys playing together and the two tight
Speaker 2: ends being back. You know, twenty eleven Patriots, Bill O'Brien whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can like look too much
Speaker 2: into all that just yet. It's one practice, but it's
Speaker 2: certainly what I saw from MIKEASICKI I liked. You know,
Speaker 2: he's a little bit of a different body type. He's
Speaker 2: certainly more leaner, more athletic. You can see that that
Speaker 2: wide receiver, you know, kind of comp there with the
Speaker 2: body type. And like I said, you know that crossing route,
Speaker 2: when that hit him on that like you know, shallow
Speaker 2: intermediate level, like it's carbably like an eight yard cross,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's wise here, you know, that's
Speaker 2: what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the best way to describe what
Speaker 1: we saw from him yesterday, he was as advertised. I
Speaker 1: mean that as a positive. You know, he's lining up
Speaker 1: all over the formation, like you said, moves more like
Speaker 1: a wide receiver than a tight end. He's another guy
Speaker 1: that probably benefits from non padded practices.
Speaker 2: But I liked what I saw from Yeah, there was
Speaker 2: also one player when they were doing that screen period,
Speaker 2: we actually threw a pretty good block of all things considered.
Speaker 1: For a no, we're not going to break down blocks.
Speaker 2: And I just did. I just did.
Speaker 4: Know.
Speaker 2: The reason why I brought it up, though, is because
Speaker 2: as much as he's not somebody that I think is
Speaker 2: going to be a difference maker as an inline tight
Speaker 2: end with his hand in the dirt if they're going
Speaker 2: to run a lot of these like bubbles and like
Speaker 2: screen attachments off the RPOs, like, that's a different type
Speaker 2: of block.
Speaker 1: That's fair. You know that, that's like out.
Speaker 2: On the perimeter style block where I still think on
Speaker 2: those blocks it's more about just like throwing your size
Speaker 2: around at that point, and if you can be six
Speaker 2: to six and two hundred and fifty pounds and at
Speaker 2: least just get in the way of somebody to get
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton loose, sort of get Marcus jo if he's
Speaker 2: playing offense loose or whatever the case may be. That's
Speaker 2: a lot different than asking you to block an outside
Speaker 2: linebacker defensive end with your hand in the dirt like
Speaker 2: your tackle, Like, that's a much different skill. You're talking
Speaker 2: about blocking DB's safeties, corners, things like that. So that's
Speaker 2: your tight ends. I thought, like you said, both guys,
Speaker 2: just nothing to nothing to write home about, necessarily, but
Speaker 2: nothing to like panic about either. Just exactly what we
Speaker 2: kind of expected from the both those dudes. Firstker wasn't
Speaker 2: like super involved, I didn't think yet, but he was
Speaker 2: out there a little bit. But Lumpkin really stood out
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, asthetic and ill coming off
Speaker 2: the bus with a guy like like Johnny Lumpkin. He
Speaker 2: definitely looks that part.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to be excited to see him
Speaker 1: when the Pats come on. Yeh's that's gonna be when
Speaker 1: we start talking about you.
Speaker 2: I think he has a real shot as that at
Speaker 2: that third in line run blocking you know, fourth and one.
Speaker 2: You know, probably rather Johnny Lumpkin out there than Hunter
Speaker 2: Henry or get Sicky. It's possible. It's possible that he
Speaker 2: could be in that role. All right, Sean and Vancouver
Speaker 2: or what's up, Sean?
Speaker 5: I have three questions or short one thing I wanted
Speaker 5: to know. You've mentioned a lot about the play or
Speaker 5: just what the action looks like for Thornton. I wonder
Speaker 5: about the physicality though. Does he look a little heavier
Speaker 5: or could you not tell?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that he looked noticeably heavier. He did
Speaker 2: mention that that was something that was obviously an emphasis
Speaker 2: for him. But I would also be I think I'm
Speaker 2: maybe not on the same page as everybody else as
Speaker 2: much on this. I don't know how you feel about it, Alex.
Speaker 2: I don't want Tykwon Thornton being too heavy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's a dangerous game you play. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got to put on a little muscle, certainly, but you
Speaker 1: don't want him slowing down.
Speaker 2: And his frame is kind of his frame when you're
Speaker 2: when you stand across from him, Sean, like, this is
Speaker 2: not a guy that is like, Oh, he just needs
Speaker 2: to fill out, right, Like he he's got a smaller frame,
Speaker 2: He's got a slighter frame. It's just kind of his build.
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 5: You got a trace mcstorey Just to put this out
Speaker 5: there in case anyone's wondering.
Speaker 4: I looked this up.
Speaker 5: No relation to Marty, in case anyone's wondering. And the
Speaker 5: last question, I have you sort of mention this and
Speaker 5: I'm guessing that you're not going to know until pas
Speaker 5: come on. But you're you're high on Lumpkin. Does that
Speaker 5: mean that you think that Ferksers is not going to
Speaker 5: make the team.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good question. Thanks for the call, Sean.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily. I think it is
Speaker 2: between those two guys, and I do think that they
Speaker 2: probably have a little bit of a different plan for
Speaker 2: both of them. Yeah, And so that's what's going to
Speaker 2: come down to ultimately, is I think do they prioritize
Speaker 2: basically having a third tackle? You know, I brought up
Speaker 2: a crap, Who's Michael Williams? Thank you? I brought up
Speaker 2: Michael Williams. I don't know Patriots fans all remember Michael Williams.
Speaker 2: But he's bigger than who Man, So I wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 2: use who Man as an example.
Speaker 1: Michael Williams is literally converted tackle. It's the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: He played tight end in college at like two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds, got to the NFL, bulked up
Speaker 1: to tackle with Detroit, and then he ended up with
Speaker 1: the Patriots and they moved him back to his tight end.
Speaker 1: They didn't really throw him the ball, yea, but like
Speaker 1: he was out there, team said, WU account for him
Speaker 1: as a tight end, not as a tackle.
Speaker 2: So the question is is do they prioritize that of
Speaker 2: an inline blocking tight end who could potentially leak out
Speaker 2: and catch a pass on a fourth and one play?
Speaker 2: Action if they wanted to throw the defense in a
Speaker 2: little bit of a curve ball or a Ferksker, who
Speaker 2: I think is really more of like a move tight
Speaker 2: end that could maybe play some h back play, some
Speaker 2: full back play, some slot and be a little bit
Speaker 2: more versatile, but not necessarily be as physically imposing. I
Speaker 2: think that's going to come down to where they envisioned
Speaker 2: the offense going more than anything like what the roles
Speaker 2: are and what they're trying to fill out on the
Speaker 2: depth chart. But behind Hunter Henry Kasiki.
Speaker 1: Well at the same time too, I think both of
Speaker 1: those guys are probably guys you can get on the
Speaker 1: practice squad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lumpkin certainly less he like because he's not going
Speaker 2: to have the stats in the preseason. He's not going
Speaker 2: to catch ten passes in the gaming like that.
Speaker 1: So at what point, you know, is it they're just
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing them back and forth from the practice
Speaker 1: squad week to week based on matchups. I think Lumpkin
Speaker 1: has a better shot to make the Week one roster
Speaker 1: because of that udf A streak, but it could be
Speaker 1: all right. Lumpkin's on Week one and Week one against
Speaker 1: the Eagles against that pass rush maybe you want an
Speaker 1: extra blocker out there, and he makes sense. And then
Speaker 1: after week one it's like, all right, well that Firks
Speaker 1: is a better matchup and they switch them. Ye like
Speaker 1: that could totally happen to Yep, absolutely, all right.
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 4: How are you today?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 4: Sorry a little bit annoise. I'm working in my shop today.
Speaker 4: But uh so, I think I got an answer on
Speaker 4: Joe Judge's pomposity. I hear me out. We heard Bill
Speaker 4: say yesterday during this press conference that you do and
Speaker 4: if anything that I asked him to do or anything
Speaker 4: I tell him to do now.
Speaker 6: Either of you guys see Forrest com years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 6: once upon a time that there's a scene where he's
Speaker 6: in boot camp and it's army boot camp. So I'm
Speaker 6: not getting this wrong. His drill sergeant says, go, what
Speaker 6: is your sole purpose in this army? He's like to
Speaker 6: do whatever you tell me, and he's like.
Speaker 4: Damn it, that's the most outstanding answer I've ever heard.
Speaker 4: You must be a genius. So I think Joe Judge
Speaker 4: probably grew up hearing how stupid he was, you know,
Speaker 4: throughout his life. And then Bill comes up and says
Speaker 4: and asks him the same question, and he gets the
Speaker 4: same answer, and he's like, Wow, this guy actually thinks
Speaker 4: I'm pretty smart. He thinks of a genius. I'm joking obviously,
Speaker 4: But Evan, I got two words why we don't need
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins? Are you ready for it? Maybe Malik cunning him? Yes,
Speaker 4: that's all I got.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a good pack. Good call, good call, good call.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't get mad. I can't get mad.
Speaker 2: But with Joe Judge, I don't want to go too
Speaker 2: deep on Joe Judge, but I don't know how you
Speaker 2: feel about it. It was pretty clear to me that
Speaker 2: he's the Special Teams coordinator. Like, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on with camic Cord. I don't know if Camra
Speaker 2: Cord was out there with the Special Teams guys also
Speaker 2: in the Special Teams periods, But the voice you heard
Speaker 2: was Joe Judge. The guy that was barking out the
Speaker 2: orders and really running the show in that phase of
Speaker 2: the game was Joe Judge. Is it possible that camic
Speaker 2: Cord has gotten demoted? Is it possible that they're like
Speaker 2: co Special Teams coordinators will maybe we'll find out when
Speaker 2: the when the media guide comes out and the official
Speaker 2: coaching staff is announced. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it's exactly going to look like on paper, but
Speaker 2: it was pretty apparent that Joe Judge is going to
Speaker 2: be heavily, heavily involved in the kicking game. Not just
Speaker 2: helping out and giving his input and quality control stuff. No,
Speaker 2: he's like coaching the special teams right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's certainly what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we had offensive line. Not much to
Speaker 2: glean from offensive line in a non padded practice. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna break down performance. And this guy look good,
Speaker 2: that guy look good. It's more about who was where
Speaker 2: and who wasn't right and uh, without Trent Brown, without
Speaker 2: Mike on winning at the moment, So the only real
Speaker 2: solidified holdovers were David Andrews at center and Cole Strange
Speaker 2: at left guard. Like those two guys are gonna be
Speaker 2: hip and hip for a long time hopefully, right and uh,
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be the the interior there. The rest
Speaker 2: of it was I think pretty I'm gonna use a
Speaker 2: phrase that apparently only I know chalk and uh, that's
Speaker 2: a you know, Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson. Reef on
Speaker 2: the right side, Anderson on the left side. We did
Speaker 2: see a little bit of Connor McDermott. Right there's kind
Speaker 2: of those three guys rotating at tackle, and then a
Speaker 2: little bit of Bill Murray. Yeah, a little bit Bill Murray.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna look too much into that, just because
Speaker 2: you know, the rookies haven't been around long enough to
Speaker 2: they're just trying to run a practice.
Speaker 1: And and Jason Hines wasn't there either. Chason Hines wasn't
Speaker 1: a practice. In addition, we know Mike on and Win
Speaker 1: who's dealing with a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, surgery that Reeves reported. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say that Bill Murray is like, oh, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put him on my roster projection as a
Speaker 2: as a on the roster. But him and James Ferns
Speaker 2: were kind of switching off a little bit on the
Speaker 2: inside there at guard at right guard. So that was
Speaker 2: sort of your group. I think that group, it's safe
Speaker 2: to assume maybe with Bill Murray being the one guy
Speaker 2: that's that could be on the fringe of it when
Speaker 2: things get real and James Farrens certainly has the practice
Speaker 2: squad element that is, I think always going to be there.
Speaker 2: That he could, you be cut just to make room
Speaker 2: for somebody else on the fifty three initially and then
Speaker 2: brought back or promoted from the practice squad. But the
Speaker 2: two new guys, Reef in Calvin Anderson, I still think
Speaker 2: Conor McDermott has a shot. You know, Trent Brown's gonna
Speaker 2: have one of those, right.
Speaker 1: We got to see what it looks like when Trent
Speaker 1: Brown comes back. I think that's a big part.
Speaker 2: But I think that they're really high on those two
Speaker 2: new guys, and that's why they signed up. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not like kind of breaking ground by saying that
Speaker 2: they signed him for a reason. But one of those guys,
Speaker 2: I think Connor McDermott, excuse me, Rley Reef for Calvin Anderson,
Speaker 2: one of those guys is starting next year one of
Speaker 2: the tackle spots. That that's for sure well.
Speaker 1: And I think some people had wondered, you know, mostly
Speaker 1: with Reef, which side he was going to play on
Speaker 1: because he's been a left tackle for so long and
Speaker 1: then played right tackle last couple of years, And that
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest, biggest thing to come from
Speaker 1: have this as we kind of get idea of who's
Speaker 1: going to play on which side.
Speaker 2: At least primarily, it does seem like they're getting reef
Speaker 2: ready to play right tackle. Yeah, so I think that's
Speaker 2: gonna be what we all expected and are where it's headed.
Speaker 2: Moving over to the other side of the football. Defensive line. Again,
Speaker 2: not a position that I'm going to get too crazy
Speaker 2: about what actually happened in a non padded practice, but
Speaker 2: Keon White, Uh, Keon White's a thing. Ke On White's involved,
Speaker 2: playing a little bit with the hand in the dirt,
Speaker 2: playing a little bit standing up, playing over the tackle,
Speaker 2: outside the tackle. Some just looks like that's a guy
Speaker 2: that they're trying to get ready as well, and some people,
Speaker 2: I think you had some opinions on how he looked
Speaker 2: like rushing and stuff. Again, I'm not gonna really look
Speaker 2: too much into any of that, but I think what
Speaker 2: was interesting a lot of their their base front, the
Speaker 2: team drills that they did with defensive linemen and had
Speaker 2: base front. It was that till front that I was
Speaker 2: talking to you about, the odd front to three four
Speaker 2: with a stand up outside linebacker on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: and that was mostly josh Uja, it seemed like, but
Speaker 2: Keon White also mixed into that role a little bit.
Speaker 2: I could see that being his role at some point
Speaker 2: as well. So not as a I'm not surprised, Like
Speaker 2: ke On Waite's a twenty five year old rookie, right,
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five year old rookie something like that,
Speaker 2: is in college for six years. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that should be brought along
Speaker 2: slowly necessarily. I think he should be ready to contribute
Speaker 2: your year one, especially when you drafted him in the
Speaker 2: second round. So I'm not shocked that he was out
Speaker 2: there already by any means. So I'm not like, really,
Speaker 2: I don't know, some people are really excited about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of think that he's going
Speaker 2: to play a role no matter what.
Speaker 1: No, that's something I will put stock into. And look,
Speaker 1: I get they were down Lawrence, Guy Davon, god Shot,
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore, Matthew Judon, but like there's other guys. I
Speaker 1: think that they could have rotated the reps more evenly,
Speaker 1: is my point. You know, we didn't see as much
Speaker 1: of a guy like Ronnie Perkins. We didn't see as much.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a good thing, right because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, it's it's there's no reason and I'm
Speaker 1: not We've seen them be hesitant with rookies.
Speaker 2: There's no reason to waste time with what would jude
Speaker 2: On not being here, with those those other guys that
Speaker 2: you mentioned, but mostly Judah not being here, there's clearly
Speaker 2: another hold next to on the other side.
Speaker 1: I think with Lawrence Guy there there could be some
Speaker 1: upside in Lawrence Guy, some crossover in the role Lawrence
Speaker 1: Guy plays to key On White. Yeah, potentially, and then
Speaker 1: honestly to extrapolate that out, we're talking about, Hey, look,
Speaker 1: they're giving the rookies a shot. This is great. Marte Mapu.
Speaker 2: That was so you told me not to not to overreact.
Speaker 1: We can overreact to this one. This is the one
Speaker 1: I will allow you to.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm all in. I said it on p I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it here. I really really think that that
Speaker 2: there's reason to be extremely excited about the feeling the
Speaker 2: vibe right now around Marty Mapu. Not the main reason
Speaker 2: ninety percent of where I'm coming from is the fact
Speaker 2: that he was out there very very first reps seven
Speaker 2: on seven of the entire practice. They send their their
Speaker 2: quote unquote starting defense out there, and who's at the
Speaker 2: second level of the defense Juwan Bentley And is it
Speaker 2: Marty or Marte? I we need to get these names right,
Speaker 2: It's it's wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, look even if it's Martin like a nickname.
Speaker 2: Right regardless, Juwan Bentley Marty Mapho the first two linebackers
Speaker 2: on the field for the Patriots, even with Marty Mapu
Speaker 2: in the red non contactors as he recovers from the peck,
Speaker 2: which tells you that even if it's just mental reps,
Speaker 2: they want him taking the mental reps. I'm just a
Speaker 2: massive because because this is exactly the role that I
Speaker 2: wanted him to play. I wanted them to play him
Speaker 2: at linebacker.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We had this whole minutia argument of is he a safety?
Speaker 2: Is he a linebacker? Is he both? Like he was
Speaker 2: a linebacker yesterday, He's playing at the second level next
Speaker 2: to Juwan Bentley at inside linebacker, week side linebacker. That's
Speaker 2: exactly where he should be. He's out there with with
Speaker 2: other starters, with other ones, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that really got me excited.
Speaker 2: This just really made it made uh, made me tingle
Speaker 2: a little bit. He moved pretty damn well out there.
Speaker 2: He was moving really well in space and coverage. And
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is watching him in the
Speaker 2: passing game, like read out plays and like diagnose coverage,
Speaker 2: you know, excuse me. Route combinations was really impressive. Like
Speaker 2: you can see the eye discipline right like where he's
Speaker 2: going here here here ball right, like you you can
Speaker 2: see sort of the the way that his head gear
Speaker 2: is moving, and you can tell that he's he's thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy's clearing this out. They're filling in here like
Speaker 2: here's where I'm at, right, Like he can tell the
Speaker 2: processes down. And then he's got some real clicking clothes too,
Speaker 2: and once he's able to hit people, I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be a difference. The one like little bit
Speaker 2: of throwing water on my fire over here, just a
Speaker 2: little bit is that this is like subpackaged territory. Right,
Speaker 2: We're not doing run game, we're not we're not eleven
Speaker 2: on eleven. There's no pads, there's no contact. So it
Speaker 2: could just be that they view him in year one
Speaker 2: as a sub package sub linebacker, a coverage linebacker, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, but even that I think
Speaker 2: is just really exciting to see. There was some plays
Speaker 2: where it was like they were trying to high low
Speaker 2: him or clear him out, and he just didn't take
Speaker 2: the cheese. He was positionally sound, He was sifting through
Speaker 2: route combinations and different threats and then he was finding
Speaker 2: the football. A really exciting mental practice from him as well.
Speaker 2: And I'm not like talking about physical stuff quite yet
Speaker 2: in terms of like closing on the ball and tackling
Speaker 2: and things like, we're not there yet, but mentally you
Speaker 2: could tell that he understood his assignment, like he wasn't floating,
Speaker 2: he wasn't lost in space, he wasn't covering grass like
Speaker 2: he was really on top of his p's and q's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he was excellent. And again just the fact
Speaker 1: they put him out there. We know the red shirt guy,
Speaker 1: we know the weight, and put a guy in NFI
Speaker 1: if they can, and they had every reason to do
Speaker 1: with him, but they put him right out there on
Speaker 1: the field. That tells me they have big plans in
Speaker 1: store for him this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point about the the NFI or
Speaker 2: you know whatever, injury list they want. Yeah, a guy
Speaker 2: that tears his peck in February that you draft like
Speaker 2: camera groan. We just didn't see him. Andrew Stuber, we
Speaker 2: just didn't see him, right. That's not the case with
Speaker 2: Marty Mapu. And it's exciting because this is the type
Speaker 2: of player that we've been clamoring for. This is the
Speaker 2: type of player that you want out there that you
Speaker 2: want to see in this day and age. It's Matt Mulano,
Speaker 2: it's Deon Jones, It's a two hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: pound true linebacker. You know, we're not talking about a safety.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a linebacker. And it was excited to
Speaker 2: see with matp who Okay, moving back secondary. No Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 2: I know you were a little bummed about this. I
Speaker 2: was a little bit bummed about it. No Christian Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: We don't really have word yet about why we did
Speaker 2: not see Christian Gonzalez, but he wasn't out there yesterday's practice.
Speaker 2: But that did leave the door open, I guess a
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't know if you would have been
Speaker 2: out with the with the ones anyways, but Jack Jones
Speaker 2: in the mix and next to Jonathan Jones on the outside.
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant Marcus Jones was limited, so we didn't see
Speaker 2: a ton of him. Miles Brian's still playing the slot
Speaker 2: for now, playing some safety as well with Miles too,
Speaker 2: as you would expect. But I was I'm optimistic that
Speaker 2: this Jack Jones thing now a little bit more than
Speaker 2: I was, let's say, even forty eight hours ago, right
Speaker 2: because I was really concerned that they were just going
Speaker 2: to bury him r It ended the forum last year
Speaker 2: with the suspension and everything. Maybe it was just because
Speaker 2: they needed to because they didn't have bodies, right like,
Speaker 2: maybe it was that whole thing, But at least they
Speaker 2: had him out there and he was playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's tough to say without Gonzals because I
Speaker 1: think Gonzalvez is such a big pieces and even as
Speaker 1: we get in the safety conversation, I think not having
Speaker 1: Gonzalez out there impacts that because John Jones is a
Speaker 1: guy we think could get some reps.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Deep, So it's a little heart to gauge. It's a
Speaker 1: little heart to gauge where they're out right now in
Speaker 1: the secondary. But Jack Jones is out there and that's
Speaker 1: definitely positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of the safeties, we saw Jalen Mills
Speaker 2: playing some safety. Jalen Mills is safety, like they've moved
Speaker 2: him to safety. He's not a corner anyway. And I
Speaker 2: think this is another one that this could be a situation.
Speaker 2: And look, I know that we're being a little bit
Speaker 2: positive about everything here today as we should in the
Speaker 2: spring and relation be too too negative. But with Jalen Mills,
Speaker 2: I am cautiously optimistic that maybe he's actually better safety
Speaker 2: than he is a corner. I think that's certainly what
Speaker 2: he's showed in Philadelphia once this Philly, the Eagles finally
Speaker 2: moved him to more of a safety role. He's playing
Speaker 2: a little bit of deep safety. He was playing a
Speaker 2: little bit of closer to the line of scrimmage. But
Speaker 2: I think the general consensus with him at safety is
Speaker 2: that he's gonna play some deep middle of the field,
Speaker 2: maybe some split safety coverages, and then maybe guard some
Speaker 2: tight ends, like you know, I think that that's gonna
Speaker 2: be kind of a mix and match sort of role
Speaker 2: for him. But he was back there with Duggar and
Speaker 2: Phillips and Jabriel Peppers. But it was nice to see
Speaker 2: somebody that you mentioned it earlier. They were already spinning
Speaker 2: the dial a little bit like it wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't too exotic, but they were already trying to
Speaker 2: change the picture a little bit on the quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: things like that. So there's a lot going on back there.
Speaker 2: I'm with you though, that it's it's tough to really
Speaker 2: sink your teeth in and be super excited without Christian
Speaker 2: Gonzalez because we don't know exactly how all the puzzle
Speaker 2: pieces are going to fit together when he was out there.
Speaker 2: But what did you think of What do you think
Speaker 2: in general of Mills moving to safety. I don't think
Speaker 2: he really can clean too much from yesterday, but just
Speaker 2: the fact that we now know that's pretty much official
Speaker 2: that he's going to be a.
Speaker 1: Same Yeah, I still think he's more like a situational
Speaker 1: safety dealing with tight ends things like that. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: one thing we're gonna talk about the safeties. I was
Speaker 1: kind of surprised by essay. I think we expected to
Speaker 1: see Kyle Duggar get repstep. I think we expected to
Speaker 1: see Jalen Mills get Repsteep. Phillips and Peppers worked in
Speaker 1: there too a good amount, and Pepper's I can kind
Speaker 1: of see it So the thing is, I'm torn between
Speaker 1: I don't want to ta Kyle Douggar out of the
Speaker 1: box because he's so good there. Yeah, but I also
Speaker 1: don't He's probably the best deep safety they have on
Speaker 1: their roster just in terms of his skill set. So
Speaker 1: which way do you want to go? But if they
Speaker 1: can get something from Phillips or Pepper's deep, that changes things.
Speaker 1: Peppers I kind of like back there because he's very instinctive,
Speaker 1: he's very explosive, he's a good tackler, and those are
Speaker 1: three big traits on the back end. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he has a straight line speed to play back
Speaker 1: there at full time, but yeah, you know, when the
Speaker 1: other team crosses the fifty and you maybe don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about those true deep shots, it becomes a
Speaker 1: bit more realistic. Phillips I always thought of as just
Speaker 1: a box safety, but he definitely has the intelligence play
Speaker 1: on the back end, and he might you talk about
Speaker 1: his football like you. And this isn't to take anything
Speaker 1: away from other guys who've been here, but the communication
Speaker 1: element of it, right, that was so important with Devin
Speaker 1: McCarty Phillips, I think, just based on what other players
Speaker 1: have talked about how he is on the field. If
Speaker 1: you're looking to feel that communicator role, I actually think
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips might be the best guy for that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think they're definitely you know, if they're
Speaker 2: gonna play split safety or cover two corridors coverage like
Speaker 2: where half the field is, you know, each player has
Speaker 2: half the field, then I think guys like Adrian Phillips
Speaker 2: and Jail Peppers can factor into that. I just think
Speaker 2: the big question with those they were we.
Speaker 1: Saw them in a little little single highest today.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the range to play
Speaker 2: single high. That's sort of where I'm going with.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, so again to what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 2: Devin mccorty, you know guys that are like and look,
Speaker 2: I'm not asking anybody to be an elite free safety,
Speaker 2: elite post safety, but guys that are truly elite at
Speaker 2: that spot have like legit speed.
Speaker 1: And but that's kind of my point. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna find a perfect replacement for Devin mccorty, soho
Speaker 1: can you piece mail it? Maybe when the other team
Speaker 1: is first and ten back at the twenty, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna put a guy like Jabrill Peppers back there because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the speed. But if they're at like
Speaker 1: excuse me, if they're at like the thirty five going in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: suddenly that's a lot less ground to cover, right, and
Speaker 1: maybe it becomes more realistic and you can put more
Speaker 1: emphasis on a trait like IQ or tackling ability because
Speaker 1: the speed's not Speed's still important, but there's not as
Speaker 1: much ground to cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's It also depends like if you're talking about
Speaker 2: him playing post safety, single high safety in man to man,
Speaker 2: that's a lot different than him playing post safety and
Speaker 2: cover three because cover three you're just a tunnel. You
Speaker 2: just got the middle of the field and then they're
Speaker 2: deep part of the field is protected by the outside corner,
Speaker 2: so it's a three across the top. When you're pla
Speaker 2: playing single high safety and man, you are the life
Speaker 2: like that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, And that's where that's where you probably need
Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Dugger back there because of how
Speaker 1: fast he is. But again, I just I think there's
Speaker 1: spots where it might make more sense for one of
Speaker 1: those other guys. Look, they're trying it. I'm just I'm interested.
Speaker 1: They're trying it. I'm glad they're trying it. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it will work to whatever extent.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, Smorre speaks to the things
Speaker 2: that even Devin McCarty has thrown out there, that this
Speaker 2: group it might end up actually being even though they're
Speaker 2: losing so much with Devin from a leadership standpoint and
Speaker 2: from that true center fielder experience, this might be a
Speaker 2: situation where they can mix a match a little bit more.
Speaker 2: You might not be as stagnant, you might not be
Speaker 2: as predictable on the back end because you're really not.
Speaker 2: You don't you know, Devin McCarty should play center field
Speaker 2: because he's Devin McCarty. Yeah, and in these packages, like
Speaker 2: is it gonna make a big difference if it's Kyle
Speaker 2: Duger versus Adrian Phillips versus Jalen Mills versus Jabriel Peppers,
Speaker 2: like yeah, or one of those guys so much better,
Speaker 2: like Devin was in that role that it has to
Speaker 2: be Devin all the time, Like probably not, So you're
Speaker 2: able to maybe mix and match it a little bit more,
Speaker 2: be a little bit more unpredictable, spin the dial a
Speaker 2: little bit like sometimes they spin it and it's Dugger
Speaker 2: going up top. Sometimes they spin it and it's Phillips
Speaker 2: going up top, and now it just, uh, it makes
Speaker 2: offenses react a little bit more. So I think that's
Speaker 2: part of the goal, is to be a little less
Speaker 2: predictable and maybe a little less uh you know, a
Speaker 2: little bit more positionless, and just kind of having that
Speaker 2: feel that either one of those guys can do it.
Speaker 2: Be a little bit more interchangeable. All right, last, but
Speaker 2: not least your you're specialists. We mentioned that I want
Speaker 2: to I want to do a little bit more. You
Speaker 2: got your hang times, you got your your I know you.
Speaker 2: You were on the stop watch.
Speaker 1: I did get a chance to do the operation times.
Speaker 1: It's hard from that far away. Yeah, I know, I
Speaker 1: know I failed. It's really hard to do from that
Speaker 1: you had one job to do. I got the hang times.
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted the hang times.
Speaker 2: So what was what was a Bearinger a Barringer. I
Speaker 2: don't know which one we're gonna go with on this,
Speaker 2: but uh, what was that?
Speaker 1: Trust Mike?
Speaker 2: What was the top hand times? Here?
Speaker 1: So hang on, let me pull him up. So Bearinger
Speaker 1: definitely had the better overall hang times. I think Weightman
Speaker 1: was a little more consistent. I also think one of
Speaker 1: the drills that looked like they were doing a short
Speaker 1: kick drill. So I don't feel great about these hang
Speaker 1: times being fully representative. But yeah, Weightman had three seven six,
Speaker 1: four four three seven, five four seven eight four eight
Speaker 1: and four three two, so we maxed out of four eight. Uh,
Speaker 1: his minimum was three seven. His average is probably about
Speaker 1: four four four five. Barringer at four four five, two five,
Speaker 1: three six, one five two eight, four oh five five
Speaker 1: five two fives. Uh, he had two five, two fives
Speaker 1: and one five two eight, four oh five and four
Speaker 1: fifty nine put him out out. His average is probably
Speaker 1: a little higher.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was bo.
Speaker 2: So there's two things in my my really unexpert opinion
Speaker 2: when it comes to punters with Baringer, what I will say, One,
Speaker 2: you could hear that ball come off the foot right
Speaker 2: like that. It makes that like pop when and that's
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for that. And
Speaker 2: the other thing is he reminded me a ton and
Speaker 2: it wasn't quite as impressive. Remember that, Like that those
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks of spring camp and things like that,
Speaker 2: Jake Bailey was just like kicking the crap out of the.
Speaker 1: Remember hearing Matthew Slater at one yell wow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, we weren't quite there with Bearinger, but it
Speaker 2: was it was close. I think it was close. And
Speaker 2: I just remember Bailey in that camp being just super
Speaker 2: impressive and I wasn't. I wasn't as bullish. But there
Speaker 2: was some punts, certainly from Baringer, but the point being
Speaker 2: in that practice, those practices for Bailey, there were some shanks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I remember talking to some of the guys about it,
Speaker 2: and they were just saying that that's the type he
Speaker 2: was kind of that type of punter at the time
Speaker 2: where it was either all driver or was it or
Speaker 2: you're shaking it into the woods right your golf references.
Speaker 2: And I still think that Bearinger is kind of in
Speaker 2: that territory where the kids got a leg, like there's
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. Is it going to be consistent?
Speaker 2: I still think that maybe that that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2: Is that is that fair?
Speaker 1: What you say? Yeah? I thought he I thought he looked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. It
Speaker 1: was interesting too, so they were essentially doing two drills
Speaker 1: at once. They were doing punt block drills. And return drills.
Speaker 1: So at times they had the punt formation lined up
Speaker 1: and then the punter lined up like off to the side,
Speaker 1: near the side of people listened to the show, and
Speaker 1: so they'd snaffed the ball to whoever was back there
Speaker 1: as the punter, and then he would essentially throw the
Speaker 1: ball up in the air like it was blocked and
Speaker 1: the punter off on the sideline would punt it. So
Speaker 1: you're coming from a different angle. It's it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different operation that kind of changes things. Well,
Speaker 1: they did do some regular punts too, but if Baringer,
Speaker 1: a couple of his shorter kicks came off of that
Speaker 1: where he was the punter off to the side, so
Speaker 1: it looks a little different. So we got to see
Speaker 1: him like full on, you know, coming.
Speaker 2: Up and with Chad Ryland, I thought your analy it's
Speaker 2: just after the draft about him being like money from
Speaker 2: inside fifty and we'll see about fifty plus seem pretty
Speaker 2: accurate yesterday, Like it seemed like he has a really
Speaker 2: nice control of the football, like he when he kicks it,
Speaker 2: he knows where it's going. Yeah, it's not like he
Speaker 2: kicks it and it's like like off to the left.
Speaker 2: You know, I think guys like Justin ro Rosser, Quinn Nordine,
Speaker 2: when we saw them kick. When they were on, they
Speaker 2: were on, but when they were off it.
Speaker 1: Was like, well, it's like you should with Bailey, they're
Speaker 1: all driver, They're trying to hit the ball as hard
Speaker 1: as they can and sometimes you lose control on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ryland is kind of picking up where he left off
Speaker 1: with Nick Folly. You know, when you get forty five
Speaker 1: fifty yard field goal, you're gonna maybe consider going for it,
Speaker 1: but you get inside forty five yards you feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about what he's gonna do. You feel like you're
Speaker 1: walking away with three points very very consistently, which I
Speaker 1: think is how they approach the position. And to something
Speaker 1: you like to talk about to apply this to offense,
Speaker 1: YEA having that kind of kicker is generally assigned. And
Speaker 1: when they brought in Nick Folk, this was true. They're
Speaker 1: gonna go for it more in that tweener range. Because
Speaker 1: if you if you know you're gonna go for it
Speaker 1: right from I'm blanking on the yard lines, but from
Speaker 1: like a forty five to a fifty five yard field
Speaker 1: well after that you're punting. But if you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna go for it more in that range than punt.
Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world to get
Speaker 1: a kicker who prioritizes accuracy more than power, because you
Speaker 1: know you're not kicking it there, so fine, all right,
Speaker 1: he's automatic inside of forty perfect. We don't really care
Speaker 1: what he can do beyond that, whereas other teams may say,
Speaker 1: we want the option to kick field goals from further out.
Speaker 1: Now the downside of that, and we saw this with
Speaker 1: Folk in the Bucks game in twenty twenty one. When
Speaker 1: you need to win a game, when you need right,
Speaker 1: when you need fifty four yards to win the game,
Speaker 1: you're kind of grinding your teeth a little. But I
Speaker 1: don't mind that they're planning on not every game, on
Speaker 1: every game, not coming down to a field nice like
Speaker 1: that's this is kind of what they do. So I
Speaker 1: think this is a sign, among other things, to bring
Speaker 1: it to offense because I have to make it relevant
Speaker 1: to people like you. They're gonna they're gonna go for
Speaker 1: it more on fourth down this year.
Speaker 2: So I do feel like we can rap because we've
Speaker 2: already talked way too much about the kickers out of
Speaker 2: no TA practice. But I do feel like they've always
Speaker 2: sort of leaned a little bit more into the accuracy
Speaker 2: kickers than the power kickers. Like Adam vin Terio was
Speaker 2: an accuracy kicker, I would say, and Steven Gozkowski, I
Speaker 2: would say it was maybe early on in Gzkowski's career
Speaker 2: he had a little bit more leg. But I don't
Speaker 2: remember either one of those guys being like a Sebastian Janakowski,
Speaker 2: like you're gonna kick it from sixty yards.
Speaker 1: You can have leg and still be more like the
Speaker 1: great kickers can hit from fifty five and they're super accurate, right.
Speaker 1: I think the only times they've really gone with a
Speaker 1: guy who prioritized his power to accuracy was Shane Graham
Speaker 1: for that half season and then roorwass Her and I
Speaker 1: guess Nordean, But Nordean always felt like a project. I
Speaker 1: don't think they ever brought Norden into be the starting kicker.
Speaker 1: I think the idea was, let's just work with this kid,
Speaker 1: and if he can figure it out, great, If not,
Speaker 1: we get serious about finding the next kicker, and which
Speaker 1: is ultimately.
Speaker 2: The obviously is an accuracy guy Nick Folks.
Speaker 1: Accuracy guy Uhis Gostowski is I would even say, who
Speaker 1: did they bring in before folk? Remember they brought a
Speaker 1: kicker for like two or three weeks. It wasn't Ky
Speaker 1: for back. They worked him out. No, you had a
Speaker 1: stupid nickname, Nugent, Mike NuGen. You called him the nude
Speaker 1: Mike Nugent was an accuracy kicker too. That was a
Speaker 1: really bad nickname. That was a really stupid nickname. I
Speaker 1: think that's why he didn't work out here is because
Speaker 1: you and system you can do anything with.
Speaker 2: The I guess if he was good, we would have
Speaker 2: been NuGen and all over the place. It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't really do that for Chad Ryland.
Speaker 1: We'll see that. We'll come up with something.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 2: I don't know that has anyways.
Speaker 1: I was not a fan of that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't I couldn't tell. So we'll be back out
Speaker 2: at practice next Tuesday, next to OTA practice, and then
Speaker 2: we have mini camp the following week. So we get
Speaker 2: to see some football over the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: which is great and not actually just talk about it
Speaker 2: like it's you know, some Madden simulation, but we can
Speaker 2: actually talk about things that are going on and happening,
Speaker 2: and we'll always keep up with the news with DeAndre
Speaker 2: Hopkins and other things that are going on around the league.
Speaker 2: But all in all, that's a wrap on on our
Speaker 2: first OTA recap. I think that what fans should really
Speaker 2: take away from this, and this is how I want
Speaker 2: to end this. What fans should really take away from
Speaker 2: this is the football team looked like a professional football team.
Speaker 1: We got a football team, haven't.
Speaker 2: And that's all that we can take away from spring
Speaker 2: practices on May thirty first, But we'll be back next
Speaker 2: Thursday to recap our second look at the Patriots at
Speaker 2: OTAs next week. Patriots Unfiltered will be on right after
Speaker 2: next week, so if you want that instant reaction, you
Speaker 2: can do that and you can wait for us on
Speaker 2: Thursday as well, but until then, signing off for Alex Bartham,
Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, thanks for watching, thanks for listening, and we'll
Speaker 2: see you guys next week.
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