WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 6/1: Takeaways and position recaps from OTAs

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>Bar Blazar Blazarre from Lazarre, Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined

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<v Speaker 2>has always by Barach.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar When people want

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<v Speaker 1>to show what an r PO is, how an RPO

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to work, they show out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's one of the gold standards of it

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. And he said that that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like the titleist pro v one of RPO pack one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the golf I have no idea what he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. It's like three dollars a ball that expensive? Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no idea the titleist what pro v one is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Does Tiger Woods use that ball? No, he's not a

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<v Speaker 1>titlest guy's a Nike guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then it's not the best golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Ball, No it is. Now well, also Nike, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make golf balls anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like saying, like, what what kind of helmet to

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady?

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<v Speaker 1>Were the Riddell VSR one that's the best helmet then,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't make it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>The greatest quarterback of all time war that helmet. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>Evans's are Alex Bard with you for the next hour

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty minutes here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We finally,

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<v Speaker 2>thank God, has something tangible. I don't care. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go on a mini rant about this for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, Alex, because we posted a clip of Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Jones throwing a bomb to Taekwon Thorin yesterday at practice,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's so many people that are like, Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>against a r and there's no pass for it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. All right, we all want football. We're starving

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<v Speaker 2>for it. Everybody wants to talk about some football. We

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<v Speaker 2>finally got some actual tangible things to discuss, to take

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<v Speaker 2>it off the piece of paper that it is currently

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<v Speaker 2>on on the depth chart that hangs at all of

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<v Speaker 2>our desks and actually put some bodies on a football

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<v Speaker 2>field and run around for two hours. Okay, So yes

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<v Speaker 2>is for all the Maurice Harrises and the Trey Nixon's

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those the world. These practices probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean a ton between what's gonna happen come this fall?

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<v Speaker 2>Are the Patriots gonna win twelve games because Taekwon Thornton

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<v Speaker 2>caught a bomb from Mac Jones in spring practice. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course not, and we are fully aware of that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that we're not going to have reactions,

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<v Speaker 2>have opinions, and even maybe some overreactions to some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things we saw. And I I have a few

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<v Speaker 2>things that I want to overreact about, and I'm fully

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<v Speaker 2>admitting that I'm overreacting about them. But where I want

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<v Speaker 2>to start, and I think this is where everybody's starting,

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<v Speaker 2>and for good reason, is overall with the offense, with

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw out there from Bill O'Brien's group, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course with the quarterback and Mac Jones, and not

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<v Speaker 2>only what we saw at practice, but maybe also what

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<v Speaker 2>we heard from him after practice as well. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think the most telling answer and the most really what

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<v Speaker 2>I felt, too, and I'm sure what you felt as well,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex and the Mac kind of summed it up for us.

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<v Speaker 2>All normal, yeah, normal like and that being just what

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<v Speaker 2>it is is a sigh of relief, I think for

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<v Speaker 2>all Patriots fans and as I wrote yesterday for spring

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<v Speaker 2>practice for organized team activities OTAs, you at least saw

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<v Speaker 2>and heard the things that you wanted to see and hear,

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<v Speaker 2>like that was all it was we're not we're not

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<v Speaker 2>planning the parade route, We're not getting our tickets booked

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<v Speaker 2>for the Super Bowl? Or is it Vegas this year? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds right? Yeah, you're not gonna book a ticket to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>You love Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not booking any tickets, but you love the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just it looked like a professional football team practicing offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and that right there is a breath of fresh air,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you want to take that and run with it

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<v Speaker 2>or not. And then we can get into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the details about what they were actually doing as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I can. We can tell you guys, but what

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<v Speaker 2>was what was your big takeaway from yesterday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean along those lines. They didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>stop practice because they couldn't get the right personnel on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. They didn't have to stop practice because guys

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<v Speaker 1>weren't lining up in the right spot. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to stop practices guys were false starting or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was only one lap run yesterday, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe was Miles Bryant on a muff punt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like Max said, normal, and then I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the other telling part of that quote, he keeps going

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<v Speaker 1>when he was asked what it's like, what it's been

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<v Speaker 1>like to work with Bill O'Brien. He says, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the communication is the most important part and trust when

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<v Speaker 1>working with a new coach so to normal staff that

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<v Speaker 1>he trusts. Yeah, that's refreshing and it's hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>look at that and not look at it in a

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<v Speaker 1>comparative nature based off what they went through last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's just a couple of things from a

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<v Speaker 2>football perspective. Obviously, what Mac Jones said after practice, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought summed it up nicely. The optimism that you can

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<v Speaker 2>take away from this practice, I think the other things.

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<v Speaker 2>There weren't a whole lot of balls on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and that's a good sign, right when they

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<v Speaker 2>kept that thing moving. Yeah, the ball is not on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, it's you're not seeing that. How many times

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<v Speaker 2>last year I can count It takes more than two

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<v Speaker 2>hands to count how many times in a practice we

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<v Speaker 2>would see Mac Jones or even Bailey Zappy holding the

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<v Speaker 2>football in the pocket like just like holding it looking around,

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<v Speaker 2>like what the heck am I supposed to do with

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<v Speaker 2>this thing? How many times were there like coverage sacks

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<v Speaker 2>or throwaways like that type of stuff should not happen

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<v Speaker 2>in practice. That type of stuff shouldn't reflect in a

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<v Speaker 2>practice setting what that is scripted, And that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to just be running through your base plays and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't even get your base plays to work in the

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<v Speaker 2>summertime is concerning That was not anything what happened yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>And then schematically, I was intrigued by what was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, once you sort of pieced together some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that they were doing, it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>they were installing, as they do this time of year,

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<v Speaker 2>like the foundational elements of things that you can then

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<v Speaker 2>clearly see what the plan is to then build off

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<v Speaker 2>of those foundations elements. Like they spent an entire period

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<v Speaker 2>offensively drilling screens right wide, receiver screens, running back screens,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had all these different screen game concepts working

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<v Speaker 2>in and you could see, how, okay, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we fake the screen and then we go down the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we RPO out of this. Maybe it's a run

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<v Speaker 2>action paired with the screen, you know, in an RPO sense,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's different things that you can then go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and build off of those concepts. There was some play action,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some under center play action periods or we

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<v Speaker 2>had more like two man route combos I would say

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<v Speaker 2>down the field than anything, but there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that going on. There's a lot of motion going

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<v Speaker 2>on as well, which I think really stood out, not

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<v Speaker 2>just motioning to a receiver, motioning to kind of go

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<v Speaker 2>into the pattern in the other direction, but also motioning

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<v Speaker 2>blockers and moving blockers around, which I think is a

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<v Speaker 2>good sign. Those types of things are just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that next PhD level of football that we're starting to

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<v Speaker 2>see formation changes, you know, alignment shifts, stacks, bunches, different

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<v Speaker 2>receiver splits, like moving guys around like that and using

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<v Speaker 2>their different skill sets to the best of their ability.

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<v Speaker 2>They were already doing that and I think that's encouraging

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So they've been putting in some work. You

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<v Speaker 2>can tell that this offense got in here mid April. Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get on the field with coaches until last week,

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<v Speaker 2>but those meetings, you know, you still can accomplish a

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<v Speaker 2>lot yea by going through the playbook and putting up

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<v Speaker 2>examples and walking through things and talking through things, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell that this group is already coming together

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<v Speaker 2>even in May, which is that's all you want to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all you want to see. That's all you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear. The results then hopefully come from there. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to overreact too much to the actual

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<v Speaker 2>play result, like what you know, tykon Thornton catching a bomb, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to overreact too much about that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>more about the confidence, the synchronicity of everything, the efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>of it all. Those are the types of things you

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<v Speaker 2>look for in a spring practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you just look at it compared to

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<v Speaker 1>last year, and how much further along they look at

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<v Speaker 1>this point compared to last year. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here, And I'm not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>super excited and I don't necessarily put any stake into

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<v Speaker 1>the result of the plays. This time of year. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the full team, nobody's in pads, nobody's going

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. They ran one high impact period the

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<v Speaker 1>whole practice. I think they did a little live ish

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<v Speaker 1>to minute thing. Yeah, which I want to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But like you said, everybody feels like

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<v Speaker 1>they're on IMAX set. Everybody's on the same page, which

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't really hear them say that. Last year was

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get on the same page at this

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<v Speaker 1>time last year and even beyond this point last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that it's such a it must be

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<v Speaker 2>such a a good change for the players that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no questioning like who's in charge right, like offensively defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking about the offense and for good reason,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody knows offensively that this is Bill O'Brien's joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remember when we were talking about when we were

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<v Speaker 1>going through like who should they hire as the offensive coordinator?

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<v Speaker 1>In that phrase kept coming up. You know, Josh McDaniels

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just the offensive coordinator, he was the head coach

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<v Speaker 1>of the offense. And we kept kind of going back

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<v Speaker 1>to that thing. Bill O'Brien yesterday looked like the head

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<v Speaker 1>coach of the offense, right, and Bill Belichick's back with

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<v Speaker 1>the defense and all that, and it the process looked

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<v Speaker 1>much more streamlined.

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<v Speaker 2>Last thing about sort of the overall practice and the process,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to get into specific positions and

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<v Speaker 2>players and kind of go a position by a position

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<v Speaker 2>here on the different guys that we saw or stood

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<v Speaker 2>out to us. I thought it was really telling that

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<v Speaker 2>enduring a lot of the team drill periods of practice.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't coaching in between plays, and they weren't the

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<v Speaker 2>coaches weren't on the field, they were on the sideline.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of these practices, what you'll see is

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<v Speaker 2>after every single play there's like a pause because somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>making a correction, right, there's a coaching point that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be addressed, and in these there are. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>get into training camp, and especially once we get into

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<v Speaker 2>like joint practices and things like that, there's full periods

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<v Speaker 2>of eleven on eleven and this was wasn't quite that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's full periods of eleven on eleven where it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a game, like the coaches to call plays

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<v Speaker 2>from the sideline that they would in a game, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no in between coaching elements, right, it's all just

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<v Speaker 2>let's just roll the ball out and let's see what

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like. Because that's we got to get to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where the coaches are not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to make a correction after every single play when

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<v Speaker 2>it's live on a Sunday, right, So at some point

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<v Speaker 2>we got to just let the players play. And they

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<v Speaker 2>were already doing a little bit of that which tells

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<v Speaker 2>me that mentally they feel good enough about that they

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're running and they know what they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't have to then go ahead and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get you cut your route off here, and we

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<v Speaker 2>want you to do it here, and we wanted you

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, and we want you know. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to do all of that necessarily as much last

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<v Speaker 2>year it felt like there was a ton of that,

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<v Speaker 2>or it was every single time something didn't look right,

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<v Speaker 2>they had to hold up practice, make a correction, get

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<v Speaker 2>everybody to like how many times did they like re

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<v Speaker 2>huddle right, and like get everybody together and organize the

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<v Speaker 2>troops again. And this this practice had none of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So really all all good stuff from the Patriots offense. Defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>I never looked too much into these practices because he

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<v Speaker 2>can't hit anybody, so like, what what are you really

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do defensively? All that much, I will get into

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that stood out on both sides

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<v Speaker 2>of the football. We'll get to Alex's specialist hour as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get his take on on the rookies in the

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<v Speaker 2>punter and the kicker Ryland I thought was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He was fine. Yeah, we didn't see it. They did

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<v Speaker 1>one field goal period. It was like half speeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Baringer, I thought it's it's he's got a bearinger.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that thing that that ball does pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Off the barer barringer.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude said it's bearinger.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought it was a barringer. But I go

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<v Speaker 1>through Baringer. Okay. He If there's a position battle that

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<v Speaker 1>can be won in the spring, it's kicker punter. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would say after one practice, Baringer has a lead

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<v Speaker 1>on Corlas weightman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. So let's get into some position

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<v Speaker 2>by a position stuff. Now that we did the big picture,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll also take your calls eight five to five, pats

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred. We already got a bunch of calls, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do a couple of positions and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to the calls. Then we'll finish up the positions. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with quarterback. And we did touch briefly on

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<v Speaker 2>some of the Mac Jones of it all and all

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<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff. I know, there was a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit made to do with the order. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like for some periods it was mac Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Trace mcsorly and then Bailey Zappy and because Bailey

0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Zappy was getting in with some regulars like not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting in necessarily with backups. But I did notice that

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<v Speaker 2>David andrews cole straight like it was kind of Mac

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<v Speaker 2>right like for the most part with those guys. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>with that being said, like how did you feel they

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<v Speaker 2>were out there? Not necessarily again like about every throw

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<v Speaker 2>to secting it, but just in terms of how they

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<v Speaker 2>carried themselves, how they read things, how they saw things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think with Mac Jones specifically, and first off,

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<v Speaker 1>just based off what we saw, I say, if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a quarterback competition here, it's Max's job to lose

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<v Speaker 1>to an extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I think the best way to put it is

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<v Speaker 2>that I wouldn't say that the door is one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent shut on a quarterback competition quite yet. It was

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<v Speaker 2>one practice, so I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not. It's not twenty twenty Cam Newton Riggrets

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<v Speaker 1>didn't going back and forth, not even not anywhere close

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<v Speaker 1>to that. So I thought, when it comes to Mac

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<v Speaker 1>and his like body language term body language, thank you,

0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.760
<v Speaker 1>body language, and just the way he's carrying himself both

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<v Speaker 1>on the field and talking to us after his rookie year,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like he had this mentality of I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to throw footballs and chew bubble gum, and I'm all

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<v Speaker 1>out of bubble gum. Like he was just I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to sling it, right, and and whatever happens happens. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna do what I

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<v Speaker 1>do and I just won a national championship on Mac Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go have fun with it. Last year, even

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<v Speaker 1>like early on in camp, it just felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of everything was on his shoulders. It felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he felt responsible for everything that was wrong with the offense,

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<v Speaker 1>which was not the case. And I don't necessarily fault

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<v Speaker 1>him for feeling that way. Yeah, I think that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how you want your quarterback to feel. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of that fun came out of it

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<v Speaker 1>for him last year because it was he was really

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<v Speaker 1>just had to kind of try to drag that thing

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<v Speaker 1>him and David Andrews. And this year I think it

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<v Speaker 1>felt a lot more like he did as a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>with just I'm just out here slinging the ball. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just out here, you know, playing football, having fun

0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.800
<v Speaker 1>all that and being a football nerd like he called

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<v Speaker 1>himself right, So that that was super encouraging to see

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<v Speaker 1>because I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Football nerds were cut from the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, me us too, Mac Jones, Juju Smith Schuster

0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.480
<v Speaker 1>for all football this. Yeah, I think he's just getting

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<v Speaker 1>a B mac Jones again. I don't think he got

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<v Speaker 1>to B mac Jones last year, and I think that

0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.640
<v Speaker 1>was tough. I think he's being mac Jones again. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that good way, and you know, how will that

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<v Speaker 1>translate physically? That remains to be seen. But it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like mentally he's in a much better spot than he

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<v Speaker 1>was at this time last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think mentally being at a much better spot

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<v Speaker 2>is a good way of putting it. Even from a

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<v Speaker 2>football perspective, I thought the practice in his play within

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<v Speaker 2>the practice, I looked a lot more in rhythm and

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of just the ball was coming out on time,

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes were going to the right places for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part from what we could tell, and there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of indecisiveness or paused his game. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that when it really started to go off the

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<v Speaker 2>rails last year from Mac you saw a ton of indecisiveness, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just that hesitation. Even when he was completing passes, there

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<v Speaker 2>was just that hesitation of it wasn't coming out right

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<v Speaker 2>when you would expect it to. It was maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>a half a beat after that, And that was because

0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.120
<v Speaker 2>he just wasn't one hundred percent sure. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that came from early on in the

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<v Speaker 2>year last year too, when he threw all the interceptions

0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.960
<v Speaker 2>in the first month of the year. He was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be so careful about the ball and like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you you have to be calculated, but you also have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a little bit of that gun slinger mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I wonder too if that came because the coaching

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<v Speaker 1>staff changed the entire offense. I wonder how much of

0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that was He's getting mixed messages from the coaching staff

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<v Speaker 1>of we're gonna throw the ball deep, but don't turn

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<v Speaker 1>the ball over, because it can't really emphasize both. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned though the the the like how decisive he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I watched every single one of his throws

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<v Speaker 1>and competitive drills yesterday. There was I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>was it, like twenty twenty five thirty throws or something

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. There was only one play where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Mac, make a decision, let's go get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball. Like he's kind of rolling around a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in the pocket there, but it's gonna happen

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<v Speaker 1>once or twice, like that's just the reality of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were we'll get to the defense in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But some of the defensive looks they were

0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.560
<v Speaker 1>throwing out there were not last week and May looks.

0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Those were you know, you know, November December kind of looks.

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<v Speaker 1>So for the most part, yeah, I Mack did a

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<v Speaker 1>very good job yesterday. Have just got to the back foot,

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<v Speaker 1>knew where he wanted to go with the football, did it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't overthinking. That's not to say it was reckless,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was very little overthinking I thought from him yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, those are all good signs. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with Bailey Zappy, honestly, I think that in this I

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<v Speaker 2>mean this is all due respect to Bailey ZAPPI. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not a knock on him or a shot at him.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost forgot that he was at the practice for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while, which I think is a good thing.

0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Like when Tom Brady was here, I did not remember

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<v Speaker 2>that Brian Hoyer was was was also taking part in

0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the same practice, and I think that that speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the competition of it all. Like a true competition,

0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.600
<v Speaker 2>you know that the backup is mixing in right like

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<v Speaker 2>he's involved. I didn't really feel the same way yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>with Bailey Zappy. Trace McSorley, yikes, not a great practice

0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:56.160
<v Speaker 2>for him. I think he threw three picks in practice,

0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe even four when you're throwing picks like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>seven on Evan in the spring. Not that we thought

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Trace mcstorley is gonna make this team or are pushed

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<v Speaker 2>to start for this team or anything like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that brings us to the final guy they maybe isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback after all.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, talk about you said, yes that you were

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<v Speaker 1>very effusive. We weren't going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about it, I said, I wasn't gonna talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it, Evan, talk about it, talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we do here. We talk about everybody.

0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And because it's a fun storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop, Uh, Malie Cunningham not in a quarterback red non

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<v Speaker 2>contact quarterback jersey, in a white jersey, playing a decent

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<v Speaker 2>amount of receiver and uh, then like pretty much exclusively

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<v Speaker 2>until the very very end when they ran basic with

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<v Speaker 2>the rookies. He was playing quarterback. I'm gonna say something

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 2>nice about Mulie Cunningham. You should not about him as

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<v Speaker 2>a receiver. Not taking that seriously yet, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>much rather, much, much much much rather see Mullie Cunningham

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<v Speaker 2>than Trace mcsore like.

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<v Speaker 1>Not saying something nice about maning me to Trace mcsrely like.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop just stop wasting my time, all right, No offense,

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<v Speaker 2>Tracey mcsorly, But like, this is a it was, it

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<v Speaker 2>got really rough, and it got rough to the point

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.480
<v Speaker 2>where it was hard to evaluate the other players.

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<v Speaker 1>How it's not nice about Malie cunning that's just digging

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<v Speaker 1>at Trace McSorley.

0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Please let Malik Cunningham play the third quarterback.

0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Please, No, bring in an actual third quarterback that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a veteran and has been around this league and can

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<v Speaker 1>help some of the younger guys grow, like a Brian Hoyer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what that role should be. Not mc soorly.

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<v Speaker 2>I got, I got a little jazz and we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, segueing here to receivers. Obviously, No, No Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 2>take you can't. I got a little bit jazz about

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<v Speaker 2>Taekwon yesterday for good reason because Taekwon Thornton was the

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<v Speaker 2>fiftieth overall pick in the draft last year. Taekwon Thorton

0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.639
<v Speaker 2>went had a very very good last season and a

0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.879
<v Speaker 2>pretty decent career at Baylor. Uh Taekwon Thornton ran a

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<v Speaker 2>four two eight at the NFL Combine. Taekwon Thornton is

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<v Speaker 2>a real receiver with real talent. That's why I just

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.959
<v Speaker 2>can't get any sort I'm just not moving it the

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<v Speaker 2>needle at all. On Malie Cunningham, I think you have

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<v Speaker 2>your take.

0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.159
<v Speaker 1>You have this really skewed idea of what Malie Cunningham is,

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>what fans thinking about. Nobody is saying Malik Cunningham is

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<v Speaker 1>competing with Taekwon Thorny.

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<v Speaker 2>No, nobody is saybody is saying that. But do you

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.800
<v Speaker 2>know how many people are saying, well, what about Julian Edelman?

0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Like remember, okay, that is too far. Remember that is

0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.679
<v Speaker 1>too far. And first off, based on what they had

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Malie Cunningham doing yesterday, not a Julian Edelman type receiver.

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.800
<v Speaker 1>The kind of receiver looks like they're gonna try to develop.

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 2>You remember Julian Edelman. He played quarterback in college. You

0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:43.160
<v Speaker 2>know that.

0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not a lot of people, and then he played

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.480
<v Speaker 1>in the slot. So they're developing. It looks like Malie

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Cunningham into a different kind of receiver. He did have

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.119
<v Speaker 1>the catch of the day. He did, he did. He

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 1>did deep post from Trey mc sorely threw it high

0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 1>because of course he did. And Malie Cunningham goes all

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the way up the ladder to get it, because Malilik

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Cunningham is like the sixth floor, all the way up

0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the elite. Cunningham is an elite athlete. He's he's an

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.920
<v Speaker 1>elite as He's not an elite athlete. He's an elite

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:14.359
<v Speaker 1>ball cary. He's an elite ball carrier.

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a He's an instinctive elite in that regard. In

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 2>terms of ball carrying.

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.119
<v Speaker 1>He has it. He has the speed and agility to

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<v Speaker 1>play wide receiver in the NFL, and the size six

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>he had to catch the day there were he did

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>have the catch of the day. Than who did? Then

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<v Speaker 1>who did?

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<v Speaker 2>Would I alwould put taekwon which catch the one early

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<v Speaker 2>on in practice? I would put that over it any

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<v Speaker 2>day of the week.

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:39.160
<v Speaker 1>He was wide open.

0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he ran behind the old deep.

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the route of the day. That's not the catch

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.720
<v Speaker 1>of the day. Those are two completely different things. And

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I Wilson Cunningham for the one catch. There were a

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.600
<v Speaker 1>number of times where he looked like it was his

0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>first time playing receiver. He stumbled through some routes.

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Melik, Julian Edelman Cunningham.

0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.960
<v Speaker 1>He stumbled through some routes. There was one where on

0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the sideline he had the ball hit him in the hands,

0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.159
<v Speaker 1>and I think he was too worried about getting his

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 1>feet down in bounds to complete the catch. And like

0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that will all come. Nobody realistic is sitting here, Evan

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and saying, Malik Cunningham is gonna be a five hundred

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 1>yard receiver for the Patriots in twenty twenty three, not

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 1>this year.

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 2>But it took Edlman in a few years, Alex.

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.560
<v Speaker 1>So they have a project player, big freaking deal. Why

0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>are you so upset about that? Why can't we follow

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 1>a project player. That's gonna be a fun story throughout

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the summer, which, by the way, yours, your Celtics are

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.639
<v Speaker 1>now out. We need things to talk about. Cunningham's a

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 1>fun story. I know we're not, but we're not because Malik.

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about Malie Cunningham instead, because he's a

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>fun story. The Patriots are in practice.

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Ratriots catch twenty two, not Celtics catch ten or whatever.

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just saying, Malik Cunningham is a fun story.

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>We could talk about him. Nobody's saying he's gonna be

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.239
<v Speaker 1>a breakout receiver for them this year. But he's a

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 1>fun project player they have, just like Johnny Lumpkin, just

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of other players on the Johnny Lumkin

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 1>is huge.

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 2>She's a huge guy. He is a massive I'll get

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.199
<v Speaker 2>to that in a second here. First of all, my

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Mollie Cuttingham bit is is trolling at this point. It is.

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I stopped.

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I admit that it's half that. But second to that,

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I keep coming back to the same thing, and I

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>say this to you all the time. I have no

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>issues with like having a project player, but it's twofold

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>right now. One did you just kind of notice that

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.919
<v Speaker 2>they don't really have that many receivers. They don't have

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 2>that many.

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Resist I just felt they go into camp with too

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 1>many receivers and guys end up just sitting there, So

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually okay with how many because they're gonna.

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Have Okay, but let me let's play this out for

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a second. Because Malie Cuttingham was playing receiver yesterday, I

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>am not entirely sure that, Yeah, it's nice to give

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>him a look there and see what he can do,

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 2>and he's open to it and all that kind of stuff.

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely sure he would be playing receiver if

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>they actually had more receivers to play. Because the other

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>guy that was also playing some receiver yesterday was Rolly Webb.

0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's a receiver.

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 2>It was like early you know, in camp sometimes when

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Justin Bethel would have to play corner just because that.

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And then meanwhile guys got hurt and they put Justin

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Bethel in at the corner and he played well.

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but let's hope that doesn't come to that with

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Rally Webb.

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But this is the time. Look, if they're doing this

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>in joint practices, I get where you're going. This is

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the time of year to try these things out. Fine,

0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm totally fine with it. I'm totally fine with it,

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and this time of year, it's fine for what it's worth.

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>On the number.

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking it seriously. I'm not taking it seriously.

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought we were doing overreactions.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>We are, and that's one thing I'm not reacting for.

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.119
<v Speaker 1>What it's worth. On the number of wide receivers, Keaishon

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Butte was limited, Jujus Smith Schuster wasn't there.

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's two more bodies they're gonna happen. They only

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 2>have seven guys I think on the roster right now,

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 2>even in you that are signed.

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to find last year's training camp Rosterer.

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I think they usually go in with like eight or

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>nine at least, I want to say. So they don't

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>have a ton of receivers. They just don't. And and

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and so Malie Cunningham and Raley Webb are getting reps

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.360
<v Speaker 2>in these practices as receivers as as a result, and

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not looking too much into it. That's it.

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm gonna say about it. We'll see what happens.

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm totally wrong about Malie Cunningham. I'm not giving

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 2>him enough credit, and he ends up being a player

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>for the Patriots. But I'm just not there yet. And

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I have the thing that I always say to you

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>when we argue about this, even off the air, because

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that's what we do is teams that have loaded receiving

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>groups are not going into training camp worring about Malie Cunningham,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>right like the Philadelphia Eagles are not going into training

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 2>camp and thinking about oh, like this, you know Udfa

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>that might be a quarterback, might be a No, they're

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 2>not thinking about those guys. And if they are thinking

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>about those guys, it's like, oh, wouldn't it be nice

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>if this worked out? But that's what we're no, no, no,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>not with Malie Cunningham. It's like it's almost like it

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.959
<v Speaker 2>needs to work out. I I why where is this

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>take coming from? Why does he need to work out?

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I just by the way they bother they had not

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 1>including Slater in either one of these. They had nine

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>receivers last year in camp. They've eight this year. So

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a one player difference, I feel.

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 2>And that's well, I guess because Juju wasn't there or.

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>No, sorry, sorry, it's eight and eight because this list

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at last year has Time Ontgomery as a receiver. Okay,

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>so it's eight and eight, so it's same number. Yesterday

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.639
<v Speaker 1>they were shorthanded yeah, but Juju's gonna be back Kaisha

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>and Bute is gonna get on the field. You talk,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you talk about it. Can we let's move on from

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 1>talk about it? Because you talk about the Eagles and oh,

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know they're not doing this. They freaking love Tyree Jackson,

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>who is a converted quarterback they're trying to turn into

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>as tight end.

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>They they might freaking love him, but they don't. They

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of a guy named Dallas Goddard who's

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.919
<v Speaker 2>actually playing tight end for them, you know. He just

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>that's the whole thing.

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>And I think we know the Patriots don't have a

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 1>number one receiver.

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>That's but it's the Jeff Thomas of it all. It's

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>like every year we have to do this right, Like

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll even say, like to the an extent that like

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Trey Nixon or de Mario Douglas might like fit this

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>category too. Every year we have to overhype some guy that, like,

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, his YouTube highlights are are good, and like

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna get all jazzed up about it the

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>guy that And I want to segue because we talked

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>too much about Malie Cunningham for my liking the guy

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>that I think that we should legitimately be bullish on

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>is Taekwon, Like Taekwon to me, has a real chance

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>to break out. And I've had this take all along

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's not like a hot take or anything, but

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Taekwon's breakout or potential goes hand in hand with Mac Jones'

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>breakout in potential. Right. If Mac Jones is going to

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>break out and throw for thirty touchdown passes this year

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and be the quarterback that takes that next step, he's

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna need somebody to come along with him. Like he

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>said yesterday, I'm gonna run my race and hopefully everybody

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>runs behind me. That was a Mac Jones quote for

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 2>you yesterday. Taekwon Thorton is the guy that if this

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>offense is truly gonna hit its ceiling and hits its

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:52.719
<v Speaker 2>utmost potential, it's gonna have to be because Taekwon Thornton

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>plays like a second round pick.

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you just had that whole thing about I

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to sit here and hype up the guy

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>who has the pretty highlight tape and now you're good,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna overreact to Taekwon Thornton, who I'm not saying,

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Taekwon Thornton can't be good this he we know he's

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 1>faster than everybody else on the field. We've known that

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>since they drafted him. I don't know what else did

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>we see yesterday, Evan.

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I think we saw some route detail that he didn't

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 2>put out on the tape.

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>Line you reacting to the highlight tape. Basically, this is

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of guy. Oh he's he breaks

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>out in many camp because he's faster everybody else. Oh wow,

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 1>he must be going. This is the exact kind of

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>guy you're saying you don't want to focus on.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not saying that because I think that Taekwon

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>we knew that that that had he had that baseline

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>of speed. I think what we saw yesterday was a

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of an ability to various speeds, change speeds,

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and like use that superpower. Like he knows that he

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>has the threat of taking off on every single play. Yeah,

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and every corner he goes up against is going to

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>have to respect the fact that this guy can take

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the top off.

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But that changes once guys can hit him at the line,

0:28:58.920 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and once guys can hithm at.

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>The I agree, although he did have a really nice

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>release against Jack Jones. Maybe it's because Jack Jones can't

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>really use his hands yet that's a movement was there.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not willing to go there with Taekwon Thornton yet,

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not willing to.

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Go I'm not willing to go there to the extent

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of like I'm gonna say that Taekwon Thornton's gonna have

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>a thousand yards is gonna totally break out. I'm a

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit more bullish on somebody else that will get

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>to down the line. Other than that, but with Taekwon,

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the things that I saw from him from the details

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>of his routes, like I just thought it was crisper.

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was coming in and out of the

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>break crisper. I thought it was more efficient. I think

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>last year there was a lot of wasted movement in

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>his route, running both at the line of scrimmage and

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the route. And I think this

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>is really where Bill O'Brien can help him at the

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>line of scrimmage, is getting him off the line, like

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>bringing him in motion, using him a little bit more

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>in the slot, using him off the line of scrimmage

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>in a bunch or a stack where he doesn't have to,

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, put a move on a guy in press

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and then get up the field and then get into

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the like all that type of stuff I think really

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>slowed him down last year and this year. I think

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>that he what he showed me yesterday is a like

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>he he knows his superpower right, and we can now

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>build off of the superpower of the speed, which is key.

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>And two, I think that there was a little bit

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>more efficiency to his movements. I don't think that there

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>was quite as much jibber jabber, you know, happy feed throwing,

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>fake throwing, bobbing and weaving. Like it was just kind

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 2>of go, get up to that to a good speed

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>with that acceleration, get guys on their heels, and then

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 2>break off of it like he caught that out route

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that he caught, just undress the corner. Now as a

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>practice squad corner. I'm not gonna sit here and be like,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, like this is you know, him going

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 2>up against Jalen Ramsey and the Miami Dolphins or whatever

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Darius slagh week one against Philadelphia. But that ability to

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>get up the field, get the corner on his heels

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and then break it off. That's Those are the types

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of routes that are gonna make him a higher volume guy.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>You can't just throw deep shots to them all day long.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>He's got to build something else off of that, and

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be the underneath stuff. It's going to

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>be getting guys to open up there and get on

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>their horse and then breaking it down and then get

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and losing them. At the top of the route, he

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>caught a slant coming over the middle of the field

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that probably would have been a big play. Like those

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>are the types of routes that get me a little

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>bit excited.

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I just want to see it when he's going against

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>guys that can hit him.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It's fair, it's fair, and I am willing to wait

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>as well before I get really excited about Taekwon Thornton.

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>But it was good.

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Yesterday was the best practice I've seen him have in

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>any setting, whether it was OTA's last year Mini camp,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 2>last year training camp. Last year, he had like one

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 2>catch every couple practices where you're like, oh, there it

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>is right, like he could yesterday. He was consistently opened

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the entire practice, and that's exciting. It should be exciting.

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>You're allowed to be excited about it. The other receivers,

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, DeVante Parker didn't really do much. He caught

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 2>that one screen that he might have housed it in

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a game, but it wasn't like really, you know, we'll

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 2>see what happens in real life. Kendrick Bourne was more involved,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>but again I think almost add of necessity to a degree.

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not ready to Well, the question.

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.959
<v Speaker 1>Is going to be when Juju comes back, who's the

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>odd man out because he was a pretty regular rotation

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>at receiver yesterday without him.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he did drop a pass up the scene,

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>which was wasn't great. But other than that, I thought

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Kendrick Bourne I was back involved.

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And maybe that I mean, if we want to talk

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>about usage, if you're gonna hype up Taekwon Thornton, yep,

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I thought the kind of routes, say Kendrick Bourne running

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>were a lot more like what he was running in

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. I thought they had him playing a

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>lot more to his skill set. I know you aren't

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>necessarily counting on a bounce back year for Kendrick Bourne.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of am, and I think they're going to

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 1>try to really tap into what worked for him in

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one compared to what they had him doing

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:48.479
<v Speaker 1>last year.

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that was the biggest thing, and I

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>think that's that's a good way of putting it. With

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>all of the receivers, and you can throw Tomario Douglas,

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>who I think is important to put the context in

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that he was doing it mostly with backups, right, like

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't cracking the top rotation, is my point. But

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 2>that being said, everybody seemed to be doing things that

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>made sense, right, Like Kendrick Borden was running routes that

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>made sense for him, Taekwan was running routes that made

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>sense for him, and then Tomorrow Douglas was running out

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of the slot, catching passes underneath the defense, doing some

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>things like gadget type things as well. All of it,

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>you could see that they have plans and they have

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>visions for how to use all these players, and we're

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>already to a point where it's almost like they're already

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>calling plays for that vision, right and designing plays for

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>that vision. And that's kind of what you get with

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien. So that's the quarterbacks, that's the receivers. Let's

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about running backs, and then We'll take some of

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 2>these phone calls. Time Montgomery. Time Montgomery is like the

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>best practice player that like on this team. Sometimes it's

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of crazy, like he has done nothing in the

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>NFL for like two years, Like in an actual NFL game,

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe he is like the peak Murray's Harris right, Like

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe he is like peak practice.

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>But no, like Montgomery's been hurt. Yeah, he's proven himself

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL before.

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he I'm not He's not a game changer out

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>of the backfield. He's not James White, He's not even

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 2>like Shane Vereen right, He's not like a real game

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>breaker out of that spot. But it just seems like

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 2>whenever the quarterback needs to dump the football off and

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>he's involved in the practice, when they look for him,

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>he's where he's supposed to be, and he catches the

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>football and then he gets up the field and it's

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 2>going to give you at least a little something after

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the catch potentially as well. But it's like there's a

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he's a safety blanket. It's a reliability, like he always

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>seems to be where he's supposed to be at he

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 2>catches the football, and there's it doesn't look at all

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that difficult for him. So once again, here we are

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the summertime or the spring, and

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Toime Montgomery potentially having a role on

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>this football team. I think that that's that's valid. I

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>think that there's definitely a path. Again, he think he

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>looks like the most natural receiving back on the team,

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:07.839
<v Speaker 2>even more said than some of the younger guys.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, again, it's gonna be interesting to see how

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that all shakes out. I thought, just to we're on

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 1>the running backs, I thought Pierre Strong Kevin Harris got

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>some good reps yesterday.

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Harris looks a little lighter. He does look he

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 2>does a little more spry out.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think the both of them, you know, you

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>talk about the high impact reps, and we kind of

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about this with Mac Jones and the quarterback competition.

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I thought the two of them got some high impact reps. Yeah,

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.879
<v Speaker 1>which was good to see. I don't think this they're

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna sort this thing out behind Remandre and whether it's

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>four guys for two spots, four guys for three spots

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>between Montgomery, Robinson, Strong and Harris, like that part's not

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>clear yet, But it's gonna be some combination of those

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>four fighting for two or three spots, and I think

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be one hell of a competition. I think

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be close, because, like you said, I thought

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Montgomery he looked great yesterday and he looks healthy, and

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>he looks ready to go. I thought Harris and Strong

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>both had a solid prac I thought they rotated all

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>for relatively equally. If there's one guy we saw a

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>little less of, it was James Robinson. But sometimes they

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>go practice practice. Sometimes it's hey, you know, this was

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a Time Ontgomery practice, and next week will be the

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>James Robinson practice, and so it's just when practice we

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>can't go there yet. But it's interesting that it seems

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like all four guys are really in the mix. Even J. J.

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Taylor got some good run yesterday. Yeah, I still think

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>he's on.

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 2>The outside showing the wide right for the Bills, And

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I just never gets old watching the Bills lose. Anyways,

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like Time Montgomery is he just always

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>seems to look the most at home in that role.

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Like they've tried. I think they are still trying to

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>work with Pierre Strong, you know, to get to that point.

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I think they're still trying. Maybe there's a little bit

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>more out of Kevin Harris than they expected as a receiver.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I did not expect Kevin Harris when he came into

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.399
<v Speaker 2>the league to catch very many passes at all. Maybe

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>he could do a little bit more than that. I

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>think James Robinson still has a chance to do some

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>of those types of things. But it always keeps coming

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>back to Time Montgomery. Whenever he's out there, he just

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.879
<v Speaker 2>looks like a good fit there. All right, let's take

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>some of these calls and we'll get to the rest

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of the roster. Here. Chris is in Fresno. Thanks for

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>hanging on, Chris. What's up?

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 3>How's it going on? I have a quick question. I'll

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 3>actually have two questions. So, based off what you saw yesterday,

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 3>do you think that we still need to cheat up

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 3>number one R receiver, you know, like Hopkins, or do

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 3>you think that we're good with the group that we

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 3>have now? And then my second question is, how did

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.760
<v Speaker 3>it on? Mike is sticky like yesterday would be playing

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 3>more tight end, more receiver. I'm not sure she gots

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 3>to report on, But thank you.

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Chris and yeah, that's a good segue because tight

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:43.919
<v Speaker 2>ends was the next stop along this track here. Well, sorry,

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, No, let's talk about the receiver question real quickly.

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to tell because they didn't have Juju out

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 2>there yet, so we don't know exactly how it's all

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna fit together. But I think what really came to

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>fruition yesterday and sort of the vision if you just

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>assume it's either gonna it's going to be Juju, probably

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>in the role that Kendrick Bourne was playing yesterday, with

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Taekwon in the role he was playing, and then DeVante

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 2>Parker and really DeAndre Hopkins is kind of the only

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:12.879
<v Speaker 2>guy out there we know. He's the name right now.

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, so the one thing I was gonna add is

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Diana Ruscini just reported that Patriots are interested. For what

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I There's been four or five reports over the last

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>couple of days that have said that where'd the full

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>one go here? Patriots are interested, The Bills have had conversations,

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>but are not all in on Hopkins. Whatever that means. Oh,

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the teams that we thought, you know,

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in that the Cowboys and Jets are not interested.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the real question, and look, maybe there's still

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a number one receiver that comes out of nowhere that's available,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 2>but this time of year, we've kind of that ship

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>has sort of sailed, right, Jerry Judy is not all

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden gonna get traded sad at this point

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:56.359
<v Speaker 2>or or something like that. So Hopkins and not that

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this has changed based off of yesterday at all, but

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.800
<v Speaker 2>what you're really talking about his Hopkins taking over Devonte

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Parker's spot, right, And I still think that that's one

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty percent worth it for the Patriots. And

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll add to that, and we talked a little bit

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 2>about this on PU on Tuesday, I think, but I'll

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>add to that that the Patriots should absolutely do everything

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in their power to get DeAndre Hopkins on this football team.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Like there's money that should not be an object. They

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>should be giving him what he wants. They should be

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 2>backing up the Brinks truck because in a lot of ways,

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 2>even if it's just off of reputation, even if he's

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>not the same guy that he used to be, but

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>just having him out there just makes opposing defenses think

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>about the pecking order a little bit differently. At wide receiver,

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>it just opens up so much for everybody else. So

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 2>even if he's just running Devonte Parker's routes in the

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 2>X receiver spot and doing exactly what Devonte Parker did

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>last year, I still think that there's something to be

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>said for this is DeAndre freaking Hopkins right, Like, this

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 2>is a different animal than than DeVante Parker.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>This goes back to it you were complain think about

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 1>with Malie Cunningham. Why do we keep having a manufacture

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>these wide receiver ones and guys like Malie Cunningham. Well,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 1>so if they get DeAndre Parker, can we talk about

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Malie Cunningham then without you throwing a fit, Maybe I

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>think that's a fair bet.

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's fair they get Hopkins and.

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Again and maybe DeAndre Hopkins teach to this matter of factly,

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:23.879
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots should be doing everything in their power to.

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Get DeAndre Hopkins to New England. Like this is not

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>This doesn't happen too often in the NFL. And Alex

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 2>you can speak to this that on June first, a

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>player for free, not via trade right for free, well money, but.

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 1>No picks.

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the mister Kraft for everything. It's your money.

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not mine right for free.

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Spoken like a true team.

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>The player you can get that caliber this time of

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 2>year is rare.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And let me interject there, because I hear people

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 1>say this all the time. I'm literally seeing it pop

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>up in the chat on Facebook as we speak that

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>word washed. He is washed. And look, on one hand,

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I get it. He's going into his age thirty one season.

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>The thirty mark is generally a pretty strong line of

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>demarcation for wide receivers. There's very few wide receivers that

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>produce after thirty. But a couple things on that. First off,

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to say DeAndre Hopkins is

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>slow because he's not slow. He's never been a burner, right,

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>if we were to list NFL burners, it would be

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a while before we got to DeAndre Hawkins has never been.

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>He wins on route running, he wins on body control. Obviously,

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>he's got tremendous hands, right, catch radius, all of that. Everybody,

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>When I do that explanation, people go to buld hands.

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I like to save the best for last. Okay, outstanding hands,

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 1>outstanding catch radius, those things don't go away with age

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the way speed does his game translates better without speed.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Like you see guys who are really fast and then

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>they lose a step or two and suddenly they're not

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the same player. I compared to in baseball, right, the

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>guys the pitchers who are great because they throw one

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 1>hundred and one. They can't necessarily spot the ball, but

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>they're throwing it so hard it doesn't matter. All of

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, one oh one becomes ninety six and they're

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>just throwing batting practice. Versus a guy who has thrown

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine his whole career and it's not impressive, but

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he can put it right on the black every single

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>time and it's got nasty movement. Those are the guys

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that pitch into their late thirties early forties, compared to

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>these fireballers that are generally sillying.

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Is that is that DeAndre Hopkins is the eighty nine

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 2>mile an hour control guy.

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Hopkins is more Nolan Ryan than he is like

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Madison Bumgardner. Right, Madison Bumgardner was throwing gas and then

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't throwing gas, and he really wasn't that good anymore.

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of a guy. There's less of

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>these guys now because everybody wants to.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, I'm just gonna like use this

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and baseball is not my thing, but we're running with

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.479
<v Speaker 2>this analogy. Greg Maddox, right.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Greg Maddox would be a great example. Greg Maddox was

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>always like, okay, duh Verlander, Yeah, justin Verlander never threw

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>a hard but he's still going great because he can

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>pinpoint it. And it's so anyway, it's enough baseball. It's

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:04.879
<v Speaker 1>talk for the show.

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The other thing iceball season.

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the other thing I want to bring up

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>on Hopkins that kind of backs this up, and you're

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, oh, you're just saying that blah blah blah like,

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but it will fade. He's old. I know you hate

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>like pace talk, right, like seventeen game pace.

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 2>No, but last year he on a per game basis,

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hockens want the number. Still a top ten receiver

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in the league, not just top ten.

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>So first of all, he was ninth in quarterback rating

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 1>when targeted. And the reason I like that stat is

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>who were the Cardinals quarterbacks last year? He was playing

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody good when I was Trace McSorley.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Actually, he's never played with a good quarterback.

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so you're we're on the same boat about Kyler.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to start a whole thing about Kyler,

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>but let's sort okay, DeAndre Hopkins had he so he

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>played nine games last year, about half the season. Had

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 1>he played seventeen? Evan, you tell me if a guy

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>with these numbers you're interested in bringing.

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>In, is this something you might be interested in?

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>One hundred twenty one yards, yeah, or sorry, hundred twenty

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.320
<v Speaker 1>one catches, hundred twenty one catches, one, three hundred and

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty four yards, six touchdown.

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's the thing is like, I.

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.800
<v Speaker 1>This is a thirteen hundred yard receiver.

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that. This is the pushback that I

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>don't really understand, you know, I think in not taking

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 2>any shots that I think it was Albert Breer that

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like had those like NFL execs say about DeAndre Hopkins

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that he can't run anymore, like something like that, and

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 2>a that was just like never his game. But also

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the numbers were the numbers last year. Like, you're you're lying, right,

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>You're you're lying when you're saying that you're being disingenuous.

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 2>A guy can't put up thirteen hundred yards in the

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>NFL without being able to get open.

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Still, can I throw up one more number? Actually, I

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 1>just found this because I know Patriots fans are petrified

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of Jalen Ramsey, who, by the way, I think that

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>acquisition from Miami's totally overblown. I was out on Jalen Ramsey.

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's the player he once was. If

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>you're a Patriots fan, you're petrified of Jalen Ramsey on

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the Dolphins. Here's what DeAndre Hopkins did against the Rams

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>last year. Ten catches ninety eight yards. Yeah, no, he's

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>he can he can still play. Yeah, he can still play.

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>And he's do you still think he comes in here

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and as your best receiver? And that's what the Patriot

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>should be looking for. Tight ends though, that's our DeAndre

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Hopkins a bit right there. I think both of us

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are on board with throw whatever type of money bag

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>you need to throw at that guy to get him

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to New England and recruit him, bring him to Nantucket, Bill,

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, get him on the.

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Payroll. Let's do it. Tight ends. I thought that there

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 2>were two plays that stood out from the tight ends.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.439
<v Speaker 2>First of all, we mentioned Johnny lump Get a little

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 2>bit earlier. That is a massive human. I thought he

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 2>was a tackle. I really did. I thought because he's

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 2>wearing sixty five, because he's in the rookie number right now,

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and he looks the part of a sixty five. So

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 2>he's a big dude. I think that's intriguing. There was

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 2>one play where Mikeasicki just crossed over the middle of

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the field and caught a crossing pattern, hit him in stride,

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.399
<v Speaker 2>turned up a little bit, and I was like, well,

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>there's MIKEA Sicki right, Like, that's why he's here. He's

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>here to horizontally stretch the field, vertically stretch the field

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>from inside the formation as a tight end, slash slot receiver,

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>big jumbo slot, whatever you want to call it. And

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>then there was a corner route the Hunter Henry wrong

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 2>on the right sideline that was vintage Hunter Henry right.

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 2>It was a clear out, vertical, flat corner three level

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.439
<v Speaker 2>flood hits him right in this in the honey hole

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>there on the sideline, and I was like, well, that's

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 2>vintage Hunter Henry. So there's a lot out there about

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 2>both of those guys playing together and the two tight

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.760
<v Speaker 2>ends being back. You know, twenty eleven Patriots, Bill O'Brien whatever.

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we can like look too much

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 2>into all that just yet. It's one practice, but it's

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 2>certainly what I saw from MIKEASICKI I liked. You know,

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he's a little bit of a different body type. He's

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>certainly more leaner, more athletic. You can see that that

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver, you know, kind of comp there with the

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>body type. And like I said, you know that crossing route,

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>when that hit him on that like you know, shallow

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>intermediate level, like it's carbably like an eight yard cross,

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, that's wise here, you know, that's

0:46:59.120 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 2>what he's gonna do.

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say the best way to describe what

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>we saw from him yesterday, he was as advertised. I

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>mean that as a positive. You know, he's lining up

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>all over the formation, like you said, moves more like

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver than a tight end. He's another guy

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that probably benefits from non padded practices.

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 2>But I liked what I saw from Yeah, there was

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>also one player when they were doing that screen period,

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>we actually threw a pretty good block of all things considered.

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 1>For a no, we're not going to break down blocks.

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 2>And I just did. I just did.

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Know.

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 2>The reason why I brought it up, though, is because

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 2>as much as he's not somebody that I think is

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be a difference maker as an inline tight

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 2>end with his hand in the dirt if they're going

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to run a lot of these like bubbles and like

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 2>screen attachments off the RPOs, like, that's a different type

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 2>of block.

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>That's fair. You know that, that's like out.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 2>On the perimeter style block where I still think on

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 2>those blocks it's more about just like throwing your size

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 2>around at that point, and if you can be six

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to six and two hundred and fifty pounds and at

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.919
<v Speaker 2>least just get in the way of somebody to get

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Taekwon Thornton loose, sort of get Marcus jo if he's

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>playing offense loose or whatever the case may be. That's

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot different than asking you to block an outside

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>linebacker defensive end with your hand in the dirt like

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>your tackle, Like, that's a much different skill. You're talking

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>about blocking DB's safeties, corners, things like that. So that's

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>your tight ends. I thought, like you said, both guys,

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 2>just nothing to nothing to write home about, necessarily, but

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>nothing to like panic about either. Just exactly what we

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of expected from the both those dudes. Firstker wasn't

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 2>like super involved, I didn't think yet, but he was

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>out there a little bit. But Lumpkin really stood out

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 2>in terms of, you know, asthetic and ill coming off

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the bus with a guy like like Johnny Lumpkin. He

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 2>definitely looks that part.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm going to be excited to see him

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>when the Pats come on. Yeh's that's gonna be when

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>we start talking about you.

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 2>I think he has a real shot as that at

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that third in line run blocking you know, fourth and one.

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, probably rather Johnny Lumpkin out there than Hunter

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Henry or get Sicky. It's possible. It's possible that he

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>could be in that role. All right, Sean and Vancouver

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>or what's up, Sean?

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 5>I have three questions or short one thing I wanted

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 5>to know. You've mentioned a lot about the play or

0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:13.439
<v Speaker 5>just what the action looks like for Thornton. I wonder

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.840
<v Speaker 5>about the physicality though. Does he look a little heavier

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 5>or could you not tell?

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that he looked noticeably heavier. He did

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>mention that that was something that was obviously an emphasis

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 2>for him. But I would also be I think I'm

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe not on the same page as everybody else as

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.280
<v Speaker 2>much on this. I don't know how you feel about it, Alex.

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't want Tykwon Thornton being too heavy.

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it's a dangerous game you play. Yeah, he's

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>got to put on a little muscle, certainly, but you

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want him slowing down.

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 2>And his frame is kind of his frame when you're

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.880
<v Speaker 2>when you stand across from him, Sean, like, this is

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.439
<v Speaker 2>not a guy that is like, Oh, he just needs

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:54.839
<v Speaker 2>to fill out, right, Like he he's got a smaller frame,

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 2>He's got a slighter frame. It's just kind of his build.

0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>What else?

0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 5>You got a trace mcstorey Just to put this out

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 5>there in case anyone's wondering.

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 4>I looked this up.

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 5>No relation to Marty, in case anyone's wondering. And the

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 5>last question, I have you sort of mention this and

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing that you're not going to know until pas

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 5>come on. But you're you're high on Lumpkin. Does that

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 5>mean that you think that Ferksers is not going to

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 5>make the team.

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's a good question. Thanks for the call, Sean.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's necessarily. I think it is

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>between those two guys, and I do think that they

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>probably have a little bit of a different plan for

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 2>both of them. Yeah, And so that's what's going to

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:41.400
<v Speaker 2>come down to ultimately, is I think do they prioritize

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>basically having a third tackle? You know, I brought up

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a crap, Who's Michael Williams? Thank you? I brought up

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Michael Williams. I don't know Patriots fans all remember Michael Williams.

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But he's bigger than who Man, So I wouldn't necessarily

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:56.240
<v Speaker 2>use who Man as an example.

0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Michael Williams is literally converted tackle. It's the same thing, right,

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>He played tight end in college at like two hundred

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and eighty five pounds, got to the NFL, bulked up

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to tackle with Detroit, and then he ended up with

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots and they moved him back to his tight end.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 1>They didn't really throw him the ball, yea, but like

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>he was out there, team said, WU account for him

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 1>as a tight end, not as a tackle.

0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.839
<v Speaker 2>So the question is is do they prioritize that of

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 2>an inline blocking tight end who could potentially leak out

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:23.839
<v Speaker 2>and catch a pass on a fourth and one play?

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Action if they wanted to throw the defense in a

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a curve ball or a Ferksker, who

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I think is really more of like a move tight

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 2>end that could maybe play some h back play, some

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 2>full back play, some slot and be a little bit

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>more versatile, but not necessarily be as physically imposing. I

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>think that's going to come down to where they envisioned

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the offense going more than anything like what the roles

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 2>are and what they're trying to fill out on the

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.920
<v Speaker 2>depth chart. But behind Hunter Henry Kasiki.

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Well at the same time too, I think both of

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>those guys are probably guys you can get on the

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>practice squad.

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lumpkin certainly less he like because he's not going

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to have the stats in the preseason. He's not going

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 2>to catch ten passes in the gaming like that.

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 1>So at what point, you know, is it they're just

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of bouncing them back and forth from the practice

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>squad week to week based on matchups. I think Lumpkin

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>has a better shot to make the Week one roster

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>because of that udf A streak, but it could be

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 1>all right. Lumpkin's on Week one and Week one against

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles against that pass rush maybe you want an

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 1>extra blocker out there, and he makes sense. And then

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:21.879
<v Speaker 1>after week one it's like, all right, well that Firks

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 1>is a better matchup and they switch them. Ye like

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.839
<v Speaker 1>that could totally happen to Yep, absolutely, all right.

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>What's up, Patty?

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:27.399
<v Speaker 1>How you doing?

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 3>Guys?

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:30.439
<v Speaker 4>How are you today?

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Hey?

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:30.919
<v Speaker 2>Good?

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Good?

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 4>Sorry a little bit annoise. I'm working in my shop today.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 4>But uh so, I think I got an answer on

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Joe Judge's pomposity. I hear me out. We heard Bill

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 4>say yesterday during this press conference that you do and

0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:51.440
<v Speaker 4>if anything that I asked him to do or anything

0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 4>I tell him to do now.

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 6>Either of you guys see Forrest com years ago. Yeah,

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 6>once upon a time that there's a scene where he's

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.399
<v Speaker 6>in boot camp and it's army boot camp. So I'm

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 6>not getting this wrong. His drill sergeant says, go, what

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.799
<v Speaker 6>is your sole purpose in this army? He's like to

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 6>do whatever you tell me, and he's like.

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Damn it, that's the most outstanding answer I've ever heard.

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.320
<v Speaker 4>You must be a genius. So I think Joe Judge

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 4>probably grew up hearing how stupid he was, you know,

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:25.360
<v Speaker 4>throughout his life. And then Bill comes up and says

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 4>and asks him the same question, and he gets the

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 4>same answer, and he's like, Wow, this guy actually thinks

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty smart. He thinks of a genius. I'm joking obviously,

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 4>But Evan, I got two words why we don't need

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:46.319
<v Speaker 4>DeAndre Hopkins? Are you ready for it? Maybe Malik cunning him? Yes,

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:47.399
<v Speaker 4>that's all I got.

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a good pack. Good call, good call, good call.

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't I can't get mad. I can't get mad.

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 2>But with Joe Judge, I don't want to go too

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 2>deep on Joe Judge, but I don't know how you

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 2>feel about it. It was pretty clear to me that

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:07.799
<v Speaker 2>he's the Special Teams coordinator. Like, I don't know what's

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>going on with camic Cord. I don't know if Camra

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Cord was out there with the Special Teams guys also

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 2>in the Special Teams periods, But the voice you heard

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 2>was Joe Judge. The guy that was barking out the

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>orders and really running the show in that phase of

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the game was Joe Judge. Is it possible that camic

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Cord has gotten demoted? Is it possible that they're like

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:33.359
<v Speaker 2>co Special Teams coordinators will maybe we'll find out when

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the when the media guide comes out and the official

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 2>coaching staff is announced. I don't know, I don't know

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 2>what it's exactly going to look like on paper, but

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty apparent that Joe Judge is going to

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.759
<v Speaker 2>be heavily, heavily involved in the kicking game. Not just

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 2>helping out and giving his input and quality control stuff. No,

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>he's like coaching the special teams right now.

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what that's certainly what it looks like.

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, we had offensive line. Not much to

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 2>glean from offensive line in a non padded practice. Obviously,

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.879
<v Speaker 2>we're not gonna break down performance. And this guy look good,

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 2>that guy look good. It's more about who was where

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and who wasn't right and uh, without Trent Brown, without

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Mike on winning at the moment, So the only real

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>solidified holdovers were David Andrews at center and Cole Strange

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.840
<v Speaker 2>at left guard. Like those two guys are gonna be

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 2>hip and hip for a long time hopefully, right and uh,

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's gonna be the the interior there. The rest

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 2>of it was I think pretty I'm gonna use a

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.439
<v Speaker 2>phrase that apparently only I know chalk and uh, that's

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 2>a you know, Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson. Reef on

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the right side, Anderson on the left side. We did

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.399
<v Speaker 2>see a little bit of Connor McDermott. Right there's kind

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 2>of those three guys rotating at tackle, and then a

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:47.279
<v Speaker 2>little bit of Bill Murray. Yeah, a little bit Bill Murray.

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna look too much into that, just because

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, the rookies haven't been around long enough to

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 2>they're just trying to run a practice.

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And and Jason Hines wasn't there either. Chason Hines wasn't

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a practice. In addition, we know Mike on and Win

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 1>who's dealing with a.

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, surgery that Reeves reported. So I'm not gonna

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 2>say that Bill Murray is like, oh, all of a sudden,

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put him on my roster projection as a

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:12.240
<v Speaker 2>as a on the roster. But him and James Ferns

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 2>were kind of switching off a little bit on the

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.360
<v Speaker 2>inside there at guard at right guard. So that was

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 2>sort of your group. I think that group, it's safe

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to assume maybe with Bill Murray being the one guy

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 2>that's that could be on the fringe of it when

0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>things get real and James Farrens certainly has the practice

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.439
<v Speaker 2>squad element that is, I think always going to be there.

0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 2>That he could, you be cut just to make room

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 2>for somebody else on the fifty three initially and then

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 2>brought back or promoted from the practice squad. But the

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>two new guys, Reef in Calvin Anderson, I still think

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 2>Conor McDermott has a shot. You know, Trent Brown's gonna

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 2>have one of those, right.

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>We got to see what it looks like when Trent

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Brown comes back. I think that's a big part.

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 2>But I think that they're really high on those two

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 2>new guys, and that's why they signed up. You know,

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not like kind of breaking ground by saying that

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:00.720
<v Speaker 2>they signed him for a reason. But one of those guys,

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I think Connor McDermott, excuse me, Rley Reef for Calvin Anderson,

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 2>one of those guys is starting next year one of

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 2>the tackle spots. That that's for sure well.

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think some people had wondered, you know, mostly

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 1>with Reef, which side he was going to play on

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 1>because he's been a left tackle for so long and

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 1>then played right tackle last couple of years, And that

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to me is the biggest, biggest thing to come from

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>have this as we kind of get idea of who's

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 1>going to play on which side.

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>At least primarily, it does seem like they're getting reef

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 2>ready to play right tackle. Yeah, so I think that's

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna be what we all expected and are where it's headed.

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Moving over to the other side of the football. Defensive line. Again,

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>not a position that I'm going to get too crazy

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 2>about what actually happened in a non padded practice, but

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Keon White, Uh, Keon White's a thing. Ke On White's involved,

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 2>playing a little bit with the hand in the dirt,

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 2>playing a little bit standing up, playing over the tackle,

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>outside the tackle. Some just looks like that's a guy

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that they're trying to get ready as well, and some people,

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I think you had some opinions on how he looked

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like rushing and stuff. Again, I'm not gonna really look

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.120
<v Speaker 2>too much into any of that, but I think what

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.560
<v Speaker 2>was interesting a lot of their their base front, the

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>team drills that they did with defensive linemen and had

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 2>base front. It was that till front that I was

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 2>talking to you about, the odd front to three four

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 2>with a stand up outside linebacker on the line of scrimmage,

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and that was mostly josh Uja, it seemed like, but

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Keon White also mixed into that role a little bit.

0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.439
<v Speaker 2>I could see that being his role at some point

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:33.760
<v Speaker 2>as well. So not as a I'm not surprised, Like

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 2>ke On Waite's a twenty five year old rookie, right,

0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty four to twenty five year old rookie something like that,

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 2>is in college for six years. I don't think that

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 2>he's one of those guys that should be brought along

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 2>slowly necessarily. I think he should be ready to contribute

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 2>your year one, especially when you drafted him in the

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 2>second round. So I'm not shocked that he was out

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 2>there already by any means. So I'm not like, really,

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, some people are really excited about that.

0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I kind of think that he's going

0:58:58.880 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to play a role no matter what.

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>No, that's something I will put stock into. And look,

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I get they were down Lawrence, Guy Davon, god Shot,

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Christian Barmore, Matthew Judon, but like there's other guys. I

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.800
<v Speaker 1>think that they could have rotated the reps more evenly,

0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:13.680
<v Speaker 1>is my point. You know, we didn't see as much

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>of a guy like Ronnie Perkins. We didn't see as much.

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a good thing, right because.

0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh no, it's it's there's no reason and I'm

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>not We've seen them be hesitant with rookies.

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:25.439
<v Speaker 2>There's no reason to waste time with what would jude

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:29.440
<v Speaker 2>On not being here, with those those other guys that

0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:32.440
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, but mostly Judah not being here, there's clearly

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 2>another hold next to on the other side.

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I think with Lawrence Guy there there could be some

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>upside in Lawrence Guy, some crossover in the role Lawrence

0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Guy plays to key On White. Yeah, potentially, and then

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>honestly to extrapolate that out, we're talking about, Hey, look,

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 1>they're giving the rookies a shot. This is great. Marte Mapu.

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 2>That was so you told me not to not to overreact.

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>We can overreact to this one. This is the one

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I will allow you to.

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm all in. I said it on p I'm

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna say it here. I really really think that that

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:10.120
<v Speaker 2>there's reason to be extremely excited about the feeling the

1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:15.880
<v Speaker 2>vibe right now around Marty Mapu. Not the main reason

1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.200
<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of where I'm coming from is the fact

1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:22.720
<v Speaker 2>that he was out there very very first reps seven

1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.280
<v Speaker 2>on seven of the entire practice. They send their their

1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:29.800
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote starting defense out there, and who's at the

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:33.240
<v Speaker 2>second level of the defense Juwan Bentley And is it

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Marty or Marte? I we need to get these names right,

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 2>It's it's wrong.

1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, look even if it's Martin like a nickname.

1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Right regardless, Juwan Bentley Marty Mapho the first two linebackers

1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.280
<v Speaker 2>on the field for the Patriots, even with Marty Mapu

1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:53.280
<v Speaker 2>in the red non contactors as he recovers from the peck,

1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.120
<v Speaker 2>which tells you that even if it's just mental reps,

1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 2>they want him taking the mental reps. I'm just a

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.480
<v Speaker 2>massive because because this is exactly the role that I

1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted him to play. I wanted them to play him

1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:05.440
<v Speaker 2>at linebacker.

1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:09.000
<v Speaker 2>We had this whole minutia argument of is he a safety?

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Is he a linebacker? Is he both? Like he was

1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.680
<v Speaker 2>a linebacker yesterday, He's playing at the second level next

1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:19.080
<v Speaker 2>to Juwan Bentley at inside linebacker, week side linebacker. That's

1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 2>exactly where he should be. He's out there with with

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.240
<v Speaker 2>other starters, with other ones, whatever you want to call it.

1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think the other thing that really got me excited.

1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.760
<v Speaker 2>This just really made it made uh, made me tingle

1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. He moved pretty damn well out there.

1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.840
<v Speaker 2>He was moving really well in space and coverage. And

1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest thing is watching him in the

1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:47.800
<v Speaker 2>passing game, like read out plays and like diagnose coverage,

1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, excuse me. Route combinations was really impressive. Like

1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:54.919
<v Speaker 2>you can see the eye discipline right like where he's

1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>going here here here ball right, like you you can

1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:01.360
<v Speaker 2>see sort of the the way that his head gear

1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.560
<v Speaker 2>is moving, and you can tell that he's he's thinking about, Okay,

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.160
<v Speaker 2>this guy's clearing this out. They're filling in here like

1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.040
<v Speaker 2>here's where I'm at, right, Like he can tell the

1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:13.960
<v Speaker 2>processes down. And then he's got some real clicking clothes too,

1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and once he's able to hit people, I think it's

1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:19.320
<v Speaker 2>going to be a difference. The one like little bit

1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:22.600
<v Speaker 2>of throwing water on my fire over here, just a

1:02:22.600 --> 1:02:25.480
<v Speaker 2>little bit is that this is like subpackaged territory. Right,

1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:27.600
<v Speaker 2>We're not doing run game, we're not we're not eleven

1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on eleven. There's no pads, there's no contact. So it

1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:34.680
<v Speaker 2>could just be that they view him in year one

1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:39.400
<v Speaker 2>as a sub package sub linebacker, a coverage linebacker, whatever

1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it, but even that I think

1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 2>is just really exciting to see. There was some plays

1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.720
<v Speaker 2>where it was like they were trying to high low

1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:50.400
<v Speaker 2>him or clear him out, and he just didn't take

1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the cheese. He was positionally sound, He was sifting through

1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:57.480
<v Speaker 2>route combinations and different threats and then he was finding

1:02:57.480 --> 1:03:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the football. A really exciting mental practice from him as well.

1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:04.439
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not like talking about physical stuff quite yet

1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:07.360
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like closing on the ball and tackling

1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and things like, we're not there yet, but mentally you

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<v Speaker 2>could tell that he understood his assignment, like he wasn't floating,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't lost in space, he wasn't covering grass like

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<v Speaker 2>he was really on top of his p's and q's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, he was excellent. And again just the fact

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<v Speaker 1>they put him out there. We know the red shirt guy,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the weight, and put a guy in NFI

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<v Speaker 1>if they can, and they had every reason to do

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<v Speaker 1>with him, but they put him right out there on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. That tells me they have big plans in

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<v Speaker 1>store for him this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good point about the the NFI or

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, injury list they want. Yeah, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that tears his peck in February that you draft like

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<v Speaker 2>camera groan. We just didn't see him. Andrew Stuber, we

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't see him, right. That's not the case with

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Mapu. And it's exciting because this is the type

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<v Speaker 2>of player that we've been clamoring for. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>type of player that you want out there that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to see in this day and age. It's Matt Mulano,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Deon Jones, It's a two hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>pound true linebacker. You know, we're not talking about a safety.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about a linebacker. And it was excited to

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<v Speaker 2>see with matp who Okay, moving back secondary. No Christian Gonzales.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you were a little bummed about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit bummed about it. No Christian Gonzalez.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't really have word yet about why we did

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<v Speaker 2>not see Christian Gonzalez, but he wasn't out there yesterday's practice.

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<v Speaker 2>But that did leave the door open, I guess a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. I don't know if you would have been

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<v Speaker 2>out with the with the ones anyways, but Jack Jones

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<v Speaker 2>in the mix and next to Jonathan Jones on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Miles Bryant Marcus Jones was limited, so we didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of him. Miles Brian's still playing the slot

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<v Speaker 2>for now, playing some safety as well with Miles too,

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<v Speaker 2>as you would expect. But I was I'm optimistic that

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<v Speaker 2>this Jack Jones thing now a little bit more than

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<v Speaker 2>I was, let's say, even forty eight hours ago, right

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<v Speaker 2>because I was really concerned that they were just going

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<v Speaker 2>to bury him r It ended the forum last year

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<v Speaker 2>with the suspension and everything. Maybe it was just because

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<v Speaker 2>they needed to because they didn't have bodies, right like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was that whole thing, But at least they

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<v Speaker 2>had him out there and he was playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Look, it's tough to say without Gonzals because I

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<v Speaker 1>think Gonzalvez is such a big pieces and even as

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<v Speaker 1>we get in the safety conversation, I think not having

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez out there impacts that because John Jones is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy we think could get some reps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep, So it's a little heart to gauge. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little heart to gauge where they're out right now in

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<v Speaker 1>the secondary. But Jack Jones is out there and that's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, speaking of the safeties, we saw Jalen Mills

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<v Speaker 2>playing some safety. Jalen Mills is safety, like they've moved

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<v Speaker 2>him to safety. He's not a corner anyway. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is another one that this could be a situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I know that we're being a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>positive about everything here today as we should in the

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<v Speaker 2>spring and relation be too too negative. But with Jalen Mills,

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<v Speaker 2>I am cautiously optimistic that maybe he's actually better safety

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<v Speaker 2>than he is a corner. I think that's certainly what

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<v Speaker 2>he's showed in Philadelphia once this Philly, the Eagles finally

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<v Speaker 2>moved him to more of a safety role. He's playing

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of deep safety. He was playing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of closer to the line of scrimmage. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think the general consensus with him at safety is

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<v Speaker 2>that he's gonna play some deep middle of the field,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some split safety coverages, and then maybe guard some

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<v Speaker 2>tight ends, like you know, I think that that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of a mix and match sort of role

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<v Speaker 2>for him. But he was back there with Duggar and

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<v Speaker 2>Phillips and Jabriel Peppers. But it was nice to see

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that you mentioned it earlier. They were already spinning

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<v Speaker 2>the dial a little bit like it wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't too exotic, but they were already trying to

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<v Speaker 2>change the picture a little bit on the quarterbacks and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. So there's a lot going on back there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you though, that it's it's tough to really

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<v Speaker 2>sink your teeth in and be super excited without Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzalez because we don't know exactly how all the puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>pieces are going to fit together when he was out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But what did you think of What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>in general of Mills moving to safety. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he really can clean too much from yesterday, but just

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we now know that's pretty much official

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<v Speaker 2>that he's going to be a.

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<v Speaker 1>Same Yeah, I still think he's more like a situational

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<v Speaker 1>safety dealing with tight ends things like that. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we're gonna talk about the safeties. I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of surprised by essay. I think we expected to

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<v Speaker 1>see Kyle Duggar get repstep. I think we expected to

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<v Speaker 1>see Jalen Mills get Repsteep. Phillips and Peppers worked in

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<v Speaker 1>there too a good amount, and Pepper's I can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of see it So the thing is, I'm torn between

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ta Kyle Douggar out of the

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<v Speaker 1>box because he's so good there. Yeah, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't He's probably the best deep safety they have on

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<v Speaker 1>their roster just in terms of his skill set. So

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<v Speaker 1>which way do you want to go? But if they

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<v Speaker 1>can get something from Phillips or Pepper's deep, that changes things.

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<v Speaker 1>Peppers I kind of like back there because he's very instinctive,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very explosive, he's a good tackler, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>three big traits on the back end. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that he has a straight line speed to play back

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<v Speaker 1>there at full time, but yeah, you know, when the

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<v Speaker 1>other team crosses the fifty and you maybe don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about those true deep shots, it becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more realistic. Phillips I always thought of as just

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<v Speaker 1>a box safety, but he definitely has the intelligence play

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<v Speaker 1>on the back end, and he might you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>his football like you. And this isn't to take anything

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<v Speaker 1>away from other guys who've been here, but the communication

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<v Speaker 1>element of it, right, that was so important with Devin

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<v Speaker 1>McCarty Phillips, I think, just based on what other players

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<v Speaker 1>have talked about how he is on the field. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking to feel that communicator role, I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Phillips might be the best guy for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think they're definitely you know, if they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play split safety or cover two corridors coverage like

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<v Speaker 2>where half the field is, you know, each player has

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<v Speaker 2>half the field, then I think guys like Adrian Phillips

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<v Speaker 2>and Jail Peppers can factor into that. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>the big question with those they were we.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw them in a little little single highest today.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they have the range to play

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<v Speaker 2>single high. That's sort of where I'm going with.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess, so again to what I'm saying, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Devin mccorty, you know guys that are like and look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not asking anybody to be an elite free safety,

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<v Speaker 2>elite post safety, but guys that are truly elite at

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<v Speaker 2>that spot have like legit speed.

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<v Speaker 1>And but that's kind of my point. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna find a perfect replacement for Devin mccorty, soho

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<v Speaker 1>can you piece mail it? Maybe when the other team

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<v Speaker 1>is first and ten back at the twenty, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put a guy like Jabrill Peppers back there because

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have the speed. But if they're at like

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, if they're at like the thirty five going in, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly that's a lot less ground to cover, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it becomes more realistic and you can put more

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on a trait like IQ or tackling ability because

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<v Speaker 1>the speed's not Speed's still important, but there's not as

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<v Speaker 1>much ground to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's It also depends like if you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>him playing post safety, single high safety in man to man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot different than him playing post safety and

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<v Speaker 2>cover three because cover three you're just a tunnel. You

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<v Speaker 2>just got the middle of the field and then they're

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<v Speaker 2>deep part of the field is protected by the outside corner,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a three across the top. When you're pla

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<v Speaker 2>playing single high safety and man, you are the life

1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:03.200
<v Speaker 2>like that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, And that's where that's where you probably need

1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a guy like Kyle Dugger back there because of how

1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:11.559
<v Speaker 1>fast he is. But again, I just I think there's

1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.200
<v Speaker 1>spots where it might make more sense for one of

1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:16.559
<v Speaker 1>those other guys. Look, they're trying it. I'm just I'm interested.

1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:18.000
<v Speaker 1>They're trying it. I'm glad they're trying it. I don't

1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:19.759
<v Speaker 1>know that it will work to whatever extent.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is you know, Smorre speaks to the things

1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:26.280
<v Speaker 2>that even Devin McCarty has thrown out there, that this

1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:29.519
<v Speaker 2>group it might end up actually being even though they're

1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:32.240
<v Speaker 2>losing so much with Devin from a leadership standpoint and

1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:36.519
<v Speaker 2>from that true center fielder experience, this might be a

1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.280
<v Speaker 2>situation where they can mix a match a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>You might not be as stagnant, you might not be

1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:46.040
<v Speaker 2>as predictable on the back end because you're really not.

1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:49.559
<v Speaker 2>You don't you know, Devin McCarty should play center field

1:10:49.560 --> 1:10:52.439
<v Speaker 2>because he's Devin McCarty. Yeah, and in these packages, like

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<v Speaker 2>is it gonna make a big difference if it's Kyle

1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Duger versus Adrian Phillips versus Jalen Mills versus Jabriel Peppers,

1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:01.160
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, or one of those guys so much better,

1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:04.360
<v Speaker 2>like Devin was in that role that it has to

1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:07.080
<v Speaker 2>be Devin all the time, Like probably not, So you're

1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:09.080
<v Speaker 2>able to maybe mix and match it a little bit more,

1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:12.280
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more unpredictable, spin the dial a

1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:14.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit like sometimes they spin it and it's Dugger

1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.320
<v Speaker 2>going up top. Sometimes they spin it and it's Phillips

1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.880
<v Speaker 2>going up top, and now it just, uh, it makes

1:11:20.160 --> 1:11:22.479
<v Speaker 2>offenses react a little bit more. So I think that's

1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:25.679
<v Speaker 2>part of the goal, is to be a little less

1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:29.479
<v Speaker 2>predictable and maybe a little less uh you know, a

1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:31.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit more positionless, and just kind of having that

1:11:32.000 --> 1:11:34.160
<v Speaker 2>feel that either one of those guys can do it.

1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Be a little bit more interchangeable. All right, last, but

1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:40.800
<v Speaker 2>not least your you're specialists. We mentioned that I want

1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:42.559
<v Speaker 2>to I want to do a little bit more. You

1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:45.839
<v Speaker 2>got your hang times, you got your your I know you.

1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:46.960
<v Speaker 2>You were on the stop watch.

1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I did get a chance to do the operation times.

1:11:49.160 --> 1:11:52.200
<v Speaker 1>It's hard from that far away. Yeah, I know, I

1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.360
<v Speaker 1>know I failed. It's really hard to do from that

1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you had one job to do. I got the hang times.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody wanted the hang times.

1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:03.240
<v Speaker 2>So what was what was a Bearinger a Barringer. I

1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:04.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know which one we're gonna go with on this,

1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:06.400
<v Speaker 2>but uh, what was that?

1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Trust Mike?

1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:08.400
<v Speaker 2>What was the top hand times? Here?

1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.600
<v Speaker 1>So hang on, let me pull him up. So Bearinger

1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:15.559
<v Speaker 1>definitely had the better overall hang times. I think Weightman

1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.320
<v Speaker 1>was a little more consistent. I also think one of

1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the drills that looked like they were doing a short

1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:22.680
<v Speaker 1>kick drill. So I don't feel great about these hang

1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:28.599
<v Speaker 1>times being fully representative. But yeah, Weightman had three seven six,

1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>four four three seven, five four seven eight four eight

1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and four three two, so we maxed out of four eight. Uh,

1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:39.840
<v Speaker 1>his minimum was three seven. His average is probably about

1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:44.519
<v Speaker 1>four four four five. Barringer at four four five, two five,

1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:49.479
<v Speaker 1>three six, one five two eight, four oh five five

1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:53.559
<v Speaker 1>five two fives. Uh, he had two five, two fives

1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and one five two eight, four oh five and four

1:12:56.200 --> 1:12:58.679
<v Speaker 1>fifty nine put him out out. His average is probably

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<v Speaker 1>a little higher.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:00.800
<v Speaker 1>He was bo.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's two things in my my really unexpert opinion

1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:12.000
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to punters with Baringer, what I will say, One,

1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you could hear that ball come off the foot right

1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:18.439
<v Speaker 2>like that. It makes that like pop when and that's

1:13:18.520 --> 1:13:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I think there's something to be said for that. And

1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the other thing is he reminded me a ton and

1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:27.599
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't quite as impressive. Remember that, Like that those

1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:30.240
<v Speaker 2>first couple of weeks of spring camp and things like that,

1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Jake Bailey was just like kicking the crap out of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember hearing Matthew Slater at one yell wow, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, we weren't quite there with Bearinger, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was close. I think it was close. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember Bailey in that camp being just super

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<v Speaker 2>impressive and I wasn't. I wasn't as bullish. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was some punts, certainly from Baringer, but the point being

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<v Speaker 2>in that practice, those practices for Bailey, there were some shanks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember talking to some of the guys about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were just saying that that's the type he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of that type of punter at the time

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<v Speaker 2>where it was either all driver or was it or

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<v Speaker 2>you're shaking it into the woods right your golf references.

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<v Speaker 2>And I still think that Bearinger is kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>that territory where the kids got a leg, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt about that. Is it going to be consistent?

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<v Speaker 2>I still think that maybe that that remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is that fair?

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<v Speaker 1>What you say? Yeah? I thought he I thought he looked. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. It

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting too, so they were essentially doing two drills

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<v Speaker 1>at once. They were doing punt block drills. And return drills.

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<v Speaker 1>So at times they had the punt formation lined up

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<v Speaker 1>and then the punter lined up like off to the side,

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<v Speaker 1>near the side of people listened to the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they'd snaffed the ball to whoever was back there

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<v Speaker 1>as the punter, and then he would essentially throw the

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<v Speaker 1>ball up in the air like it was blocked and

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<v Speaker 1>the punter off on the sideline would punt it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming from a different angle. It's it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a different operation that kind of changes things. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they did do some regular punts too, but if Baringer,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of his shorter kicks came off of that

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<v Speaker 1>where he was the punter off to the side, so

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<v Speaker 1>it looks a little different. So we got to see

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<v Speaker 1>him like full on, you know, coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Up and with Chad Ryland, I thought your analy it's

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<v Speaker 2>just after the draft about him being like money from

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<v Speaker 2>inside fifty and we'll see about fifty plus seem pretty

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<v Speaker 2>accurate yesterday, Like it seemed like he has a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice control of the football, like he when he kicks it,

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<v Speaker 2>he knows where it's going. Yeah, it's not like he

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<v Speaker 2>kicks it and it's like like off to the left.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think guys like Justin ro Rosser, Quinn Nordine,

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<v Speaker 2>when we saw them kick. When they were on, they

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<v Speaker 2>were on, but when they were off it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, well, it's like you should with Bailey, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all driver, They're trying to hit the ball as hard

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<v Speaker 1>as they can and sometimes you lose control on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Ryland is kind of picking up where he left off

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Folly. You know, when you get forty five

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<v Speaker 1>fifty yard field goal, you're gonna maybe consider going for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get inside forty five yards you feel pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good about what he's gonna do. You feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>walking away with three points very very consistently, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is how they approach the position. And to something

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<v Speaker 1>you like to talk about to apply this to offense,

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<v Speaker 1>YEA having that kind of kicker is generally assigned. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they brought in Nick Folk, this was true. They're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go for it more in that tweener range. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you know you're gonna go for it

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<v Speaker 1>right from I'm blanking on the yard lines, but from

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<v Speaker 1>like a forty five to a fifty five yard field

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<v Speaker 1>well after that you're punting. But if you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go for it more in that range than punt.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes all the sense in the world to get

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<v Speaker 1>a kicker who prioritizes accuracy more than power, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're not kicking it there, so fine, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's automatic inside of forty perfect. We don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>what he can do beyond that, whereas other teams may say,

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<v Speaker 1>we want the option to kick field goals from further out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the downside of that, and we saw this with

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<v Speaker 1>Folk in the Bucks game in twenty twenty one. When

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<v Speaker 1>you need to win a game, when you need right,

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<v Speaker 1>when you need fifty four yards to win the game,

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of grinding your teeth a little. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind that they're planning on not every game, on

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<v Speaker 1>every game, not coming down to a field nice like

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<v Speaker 1>that's this is kind of what they do. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is a sign, among other things, to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it to offense because I have to make it relevant

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<v Speaker 1>to people like you. They're gonna they're gonna go for

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<v Speaker 1>it more on fourth down this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do feel like we can rap because we've

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<v Speaker 2>already talked way too much about the kickers out of

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<v Speaker 2>no TA practice. But I do feel like they've always

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<v Speaker 2>sort of leaned a little bit more into the accuracy

1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.400
<v Speaker 2>kickers than the power kickers. Like Adam vin Terio was

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<v Speaker 2>an accuracy kicker, I would say, and Steven Gozkowski, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say it was maybe early on in Gzkowski's career

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<v Speaker 2>he had a little bit more leg. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember either one of those guys being like a Sebastian Janakowski,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're gonna kick it from sixty yards.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have leg and still be more like the

1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.439
<v Speaker 1>great kickers can hit from fifty five and they're super accurate, right.

1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:54.479
<v Speaker 1>I think the only times they've really gone with a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who prioritized his power to accuracy was Shane Graham

1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.519
<v Speaker 1>for that half season and then roorwass Her and I

1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.040
<v Speaker 1>guess Nordean, But Nordean always felt like a project. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they ever brought Norden into be the starting kicker.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the idea was, let's just work with this kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he can figure it out, great, If not,

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<v Speaker 1>we get serious about finding the next kicker, and which

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimately.

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<v Speaker 2>The obviously is an accuracy guy Nick Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Accuracy guy Uhis Gostowski is I would even say, who

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<v Speaker 1>did they bring in before folk? Remember they brought a

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<v Speaker 1>kicker for like two or three weeks. It wasn't Ky

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<v Speaker 1>for back. They worked him out. No, you had a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid nickname, Nugent, Mike NuGen. You called him the nude

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Nugent was an accuracy kicker too. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>really bad nickname. That was a really stupid nickname. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why he didn't work out here is because

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<v Speaker 1>you and system you can do anything with.

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<v Speaker 2>The I guess if he was good, we would have

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<v Speaker 2>been NuGen and all over the place. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just can't really do that for Chad Ryland.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see that. We'll come up with something.

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<v Speaker 4>Good.

1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that has anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not a fan of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't I couldn't tell. So we'll be back out

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<v Speaker 2>at practice next Tuesday, next to OTA practice, and then

1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:15.720
<v Speaker 2>we have mini camp the following week. So we get

1:19:15.760 --> 1:19:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to see some football over the next couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>which is great and not actually just talk about it

1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's you know, some Madden simulation, but we can

1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.040
<v Speaker 2>actually talk about things that are going on and happening,

1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and we'll always keep up with the news with DeAndre

1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Hopkins and other things that are going on around the league.

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<v Speaker 2>But all in all, that's a wrap on on our

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<v Speaker 2>first OTA recap. I think that what fans should really

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<v Speaker 2>take away from this, and this is how I want

1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.320
<v Speaker 2>to end this. What fans should really take away from

1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:47.040
<v Speaker 2>this is the football team looked like a professional football team.

1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:48.479
<v Speaker 1>We got a football team, haven't.

1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:50.679
<v Speaker 2>And that's all that we can take away from spring

1:19:50.760 --> 1:19:53.559
<v Speaker 2>practices on May thirty first, But we'll be back next

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday to recap our second look at the Patriots at

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<v Speaker 2>OTAs next week. Patriots Unfiltered will be on right after

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<v Speaker 2>next week, so if you want that instant reaction, you

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<v Speaker 2>can do that and you can wait for us on

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday as well, but until then, signing off for Alex Bartham,

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Lazar, thanks for watching, thanks for listening, and we'll

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