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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex.

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Speaker 2: Bar Blazar Blazarre from Lazarre, Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined

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Speaker 2: has always by Barach.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar When people want

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Speaker 1: to show what an r PO is, how an RPO

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Speaker 1: is supposed to work, they show out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one of the gold standards of it

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Speaker 2: for sure. And he said that that was it.

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Speaker 1: Is like the titleist pro v one of RPO pack one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 1: That's like the golf I have no idea what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about. It's like three dollars a ball that expensive? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: no idea the titleist what pro v one is that?

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Speaker 1: Does Tiger Woods use that ball? No, he's not a

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Speaker 1: titlest guy's a Nike guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then it's not the best golf.

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Speaker 1: Ball, No it is. Now well, also Nike, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: make golf balls anymore.

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Speaker 2: That's like saying, like, what what kind of helmet to

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady?

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Speaker 1: Were the Riddell VSR one that's the best helmet then,

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Speaker 1: but they don't make it anymore.

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Speaker 2: The greatest quarterback of all time war that helmet. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: Evans's are Alex Bard with you for the next hour

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Speaker 2: and thirty minutes here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We finally,

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Speaker 2: thank God, has something tangible. I don't care. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a mini rant about this for

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Speaker 2: a second, Alex, because we posted a clip of Matt

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Speaker 2: Jones throwing a bomb to Taekwon Thorin yesterday at practice,

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Speaker 2: and there's so many people that are like, Oh, it's

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Speaker 2: against a r and there's no pass for it. I

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Speaker 2: don't care. All right, we all want football. We're starving

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Speaker 2: for it. Everybody wants to talk about some football. We

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Speaker 2: finally got some actual tangible things to discuss, to take

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Speaker 2: it off the piece of paper that it is currently

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Speaker 2: on on the depth chart that hangs at all of

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Speaker 2: our desks and actually put some bodies on a football

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Speaker 2: field and run around for two hours. Okay, So yes

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Speaker 2: is for all the Maurice Harrises and the Trey Nixon's

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Speaker 2: and all of those the world. These practices probably don't

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Speaker 2: mean a ton between what's gonna happen come this fall?

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Speaker 2: Are the Patriots gonna win twelve games because Taekwon Thornton

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Speaker 2: caught a bomb from Mac Jones in spring practice. Of

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Speaker 2: course not, and we are fully aware of that, but

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that we're not going to have reactions,

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Speaker 2: have opinions, and even maybe some overreactions to some of

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Speaker 2: the things we saw. And I I have a few

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Speaker 2: things that I want to overreact about, and I'm fully

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Speaker 2: admitting that I'm overreacting about them. But where I want

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Speaker 2: to start, and I think this is where everybody's starting,

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Speaker 2: and for good reason, is overall with the offense, with

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Speaker 2: what we saw out there from Bill O'Brien's group, and

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Speaker 2: of course with the quarterback and Mac Jones, and not

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Speaker 2: only what we saw at practice, but maybe also what

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Speaker 2: we heard from him after practice as well. And I

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Speaker 2: think the most telling answer and the most really what

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Speaker 2: I felt, too, and I'm sure what you felt as well,

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Speaker 2: Alex and the Mac kind of summed it up for us.

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Speaker 2: All normal, yeah, normal like and that being just what

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Speaker 2: it is is a sigh of relief, I think for

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Speaker 2: all Patriots fans and as I wrote yesterday for spring

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Speaker 2: practice for organized team activities OTAs, you at least saw

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Speaker 2: and heard the things that you wanted to see and hear,

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Speaker 2: like that was all it was we're not we're not

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Speaker 2: planning the parade route, We're not getting our tickets booked

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Speaker 2: for the Super Bowl? Or is it Vegas this year? Right?

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Speaker 1: Sounds right? Yeah, you're not gonna book a ticket to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: You love Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I'm not booking any tickets, but you love the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I'm just it looked like a professional football team practicing offense,

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Speaker 2: and that right there is a breath of fresh air,

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Speaker 2: whether you want to take that and run with it

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Speaker 2: or not. And then we can get into some of

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Speaker 2: the details about what they were actually doing as much

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Speaker 2: as I can. We can tell you guys, but what

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Speaker 2: was what was your big takeaway from yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean along those lines. They didn't have to

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Speaker 1: I think there was only one lap run yesterday, I

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like Max said, normal, and then I thought

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Speaker 1: when he was asked what it's like, what it's been

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Speaker 1: he trusts. Yeah, that's refreshing and it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: look at that and not look at it in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's just a couple of things from a

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Speaker 2: There weren't a whole lot of balls on the ground

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Speaker 2: would see Mac Jones or even Bailey Zappy holding the

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Speaker 2: or throwaways like that type of stuff should not happen

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Speaker 2: in practice. That type of stuff shouldn't reflect in a

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Speaker 2: practice setting what that is scripted, And that you're supposed

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Speaker 2: summertime is concerning That was not anything what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 2: And then schematically, I was intrigued by what was going on,

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Speaker 2: and they had all these different screen game concepts working

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Speaker 2: They were already doing that and I think that's encouraging

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Speaker 2: can tell that this offense got in here mid April. Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: they didn't get on the field with coaches until last week,

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Speaker 2: but those meetings, you know, you still can accomplish a

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Speaker 2: you can tell that this group is already coming together

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Speaker 2: even in May, which is that's all you want to hear.

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Speaker 2: That's all you want to see. That's all you want

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Speaker 2: to hear. The results then hopefully come from there. Like,

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Speaker 2: more about the confidence, the synchronicity of everything, the efficiency

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Speaker 2: look for in a spring practice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you just look at it compared to

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. They ran one high impact period the

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Speaker 1: whole practice. I think they did a little live ish

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Speaker 2: I just think that it's such a it must be

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Speaker 2: such a a good change for the players that there's

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Speaker 1: In that phrase kept coming up. You know, Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 1: to that thing. Bill O'Brien yesterday looked like the head

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Speaker 2: Last thing about sort of the overall practice and the process,

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Speaker 2: And a lot of these practices, what you'll see is

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Speaker 2: making a correction, right, there's a coaching point that needs

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Speaker 2: like joint practices and things like that, there's full periods

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Speaker 2: but there's full periods of eleven on eleven where it's

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Speaker 2: there's no in between coaching elements, right, it's all just

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Speaker 2: let's just roll the ball out and let's see what

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Speaker 1: And uh, talk about you said, yes that you were

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Speaker 2: Talk about it, I said, I wasn't gonna talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it, Evan, talk about it, talk about it.

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Speaker 2: That's what we do here. We talk about everybody.

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Speaker 2: Stop, Uh, Malie Cunningham not in a quarterback red non

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Speaker 2: much rather, much, much much much rather see Mullie Cunningham

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Speaker 1: Not saying something nice about maning me to Trace mcsrely like.

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Speaker 2: Stop just stop wasting my time, all right, No offense,

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Speaker 2: Tracey mcsorly, But like, this is a it was, it

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Speaker 2: got really rough, and it got rough to the point

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Speaker 1: How it's not nice about Malie cunning that's just digging

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Speaker 2: Please let Malik Cunningham play the third quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Please, No, bring in an actual third quarterback that's like

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Speaker 1: That's what that role should be. Not mc soorly.

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Speaker 2: I got, I got a little jazz and we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: You have this really skewed idea of what Malie Cunningham is,

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Speaker 2: No, nobody is saybody is saying that. But do you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a lot of people, and then he played

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Speaker 1: the catch of the day. He did, he did. He

433
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Speaker 1: did deep post from Trey mc sorely threw it high

434
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Speaker 1: because of course he did. And Malie Cunningham goes all

435
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Speaker 1: the way up the ladder to get it, because Malilik

436
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: Cunningham is like the sixth floor, all the way up

437
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Speaker 1: the elite. Cunningham is an elite athlete. He's he's an

438
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Speaker 1: elite as He's not an elite athlete. He's an elite

439
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: ball cary. He's an elite ball carrier.

440
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: He's a He's an instinctive elite in that regard. In

441
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Speaker 2: terms of ball carrying.

442
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: He has it. He has the speed and agility to

443
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Speaker 1: play wide receiver in the NFL, and the size six

444
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: he had to catch the day there were he did

445
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Speaker 1: have the catch of the day. Than who did? Then

446
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Speaker 1: who did?

447
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: Would I alwould put taekwon which catch the one early

448
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: on in practice? I would put that over it any

449
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: day of the week.

450
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Speaker 1: He was wide open.

451
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he ran behind the old deep.

452
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: That's the route of the day. That's not the catch

453
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: of the day. Those are two completely different things. And

454
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Speaker 1: I Wilson Cunningham for the one catch. There were a

455
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Speaker 1: number of times where he looked like it was his

456
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Speaker 1: first time playing receiver. He stumbled through some routes.

457
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Melik, Julian Edelman Cunningham.

458
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Speaker 1: He stumbled through some routes. There was one where on

459
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Speaker 1: the sideline he had the ball hit him in the hands,

460
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Speaker 1: and I think he was too worried about getting his

461
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Speaker 1: feet down in bounds to complete the catch. And like

462
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: that will all come. Nobody realistic is sitting here, Evan

463
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: and saying, Malik Cunningham is gonna be a five hundred

464
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Speaker 1: yard receiver for the Patriots in twenty twenty three, not

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Speaker 1: this year.

466
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Speaker 2: But it took Edlman in a few years, Alex.

467
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: So they have a project player, big freaking deal. Why

468
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Speaker 1: are you so upset about that? Why can't we follow

469
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: a project player. That's gonna be a fun story throughout

470
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Speaker 1: the summer, which, by the way, yours, your Celtics are

471
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Speaker 1: now out. We need things to talk about. Cunningham's a

472
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Speaker 1: fun story. I know we're not, but we're not because Malik.

473
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Malie Cunningham instead, because he's a

474
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Speaker 1: fun story. The Patriots are in practice.

475
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Speaker 2: Ratriots catch twenty two, not Celtics catch ten or whatever.

476
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying, Malik Cunningham is a fun story.

477
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Speaker 1: We could talk about him. Nobody's saying he's gonna be

478
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Speaker 1: a breakout receiver for them this year. But he's a

479
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: fun project player they have, just like Johnny Lumpkin, just

480
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: like a lot of other players on the Johnny Lumkin

481
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Speaker 1: is huge.

482
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Speaker 2: She's a huge guy. He is a massive I'll get

483
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Speaker 2: to that in a second here. First of all, my

484
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: Mollie Cuttingham bit is is trolling at this point. It is.

485
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Speaker 1: I stopped.

486
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Speaker 2: I admit that it's half that. But second to that,

487
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: I keep coming back to the same thing, and I

488
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: say this to you all the time. I have no

489
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: issues with like having a project player, but it's twofold

490
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: right now. One did you just kind of notice that

491
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 2: they don't really have that many receivers. They don't have

492
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Speaker 2: that many.

493
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Speaker 1: Resist I just felt they go into camp with too

494
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Speaker 1: many receivers and guys end up just sitting there, So

495
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Speaker 1: I'm actually okay with how many because they're gonna.

496
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Speaker 2: Have Okay, but let me let's play this out for

497
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Speaker 2: a second. Because Malie Cuttingham was playing receiver yesterday, I

498
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: am not entirely sure that, Yeah, it's nice to give

499
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Speaker 2: him a look there and see what he can do,

500
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: and he's open to it and all that kind of stuff.

501
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure he would be playing receiver if

502
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Speaker 2: they actually had more receivers to play. Because the other

503
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Speaker 2: guy that was also playing some receiver yesterday was Rolly Webb.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a receiver.

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Speaker 2: It was like early you know, in camp sometimes when

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: Justin Bethel would have to play corner just because that.

507
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile guys got hurt and they put Justin

508
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: Bethel in at the corner and he played well.

509
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Speaker 2: Okay, but let's hope that doesn't come to that with

510
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: Rally Webb.

511
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Speaker 1: But this is the time. Look, if they're doing this

512
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Speaker 1: in joint practices, I get where you're going. This is

513
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: the time of year to try these things out. Fine,

514
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: and I'm totally fine with it. I'm totally fine with it,

515
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: and this time of year, it's fine for what it's worth.

516
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Speaker 1: On the number.

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Speaker 2: I'm not taking it seriously. I'm not taking it seriously.

518
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Speaker 1: I thought we were doing overreactions.

519
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: We are, and that's one thing I'm not reacting for.

520
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Speaker 1: What it's worth. On the number of wide receivers, Keaishon

521
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Butte was limited, Jujus Smith Schuster wasn't there.

522
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Speaker 2: So that's two more bodies they're gonna happen. They only

523
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: have seven guys I think on the roster right now,

524
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Speaker 2: even in you that are signed.

525
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find last year's training camp Rosterer.

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Speaker 2: I think they usually go in with like eight or

527
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Speaker 2: nine at least, I want to say. So they don't

528
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Speaker 2: have a ton of receivers. They just don't. And and

529
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Speaker 2: and so Malie Cunningham and Raley Webb are getting reps

530
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Speaker 2: in these practices as receivers as as a result, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just not looking too much into it. That's it.

532
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say about it. We'll see what happens.

533
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm totally wrong about Malie Cunningham. I'm not giving

534
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: him enough credit, and he ends up being a player

535
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. But I'm just not there yet. And

536
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: I have the thing that I always say to you

537
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: when we argue about this, even off the air, because

538
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: that's what we do is teams that have loaded receiving

539
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: groups are not going into training camp worring about Malie Cunningham,

540
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: right like the Philadelphia Eagles are not going into training

541
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Speaker 2: camp and thinking about oh, like this, you know Udfa

542
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: that might be a quarterback, might be a No, they're

543
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: not thinking about those guys. And if they are thinking

544
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: about those guys, it's like, oh, wouldn't it be nice

545
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: if this worked out? But that's what we're no, no, no,

546
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: not with Malie Cunningham. It's like it's almost like it

547
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Speaker 2: needs to work out. I I why where is this

548
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: take coming from? Why does he need to work out?

549
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Speaker 1: I just by the way they bother they had not

550
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Speaker 1: including Slater in either one of these. They had nine

551
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: receivers last year in camp. They've eight this year. So

552
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: it's a one player difference, I feel.

553
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Speaker 2: And that's well, I guess because Juju wasn't there or.

554
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: No, sorry, sorry, it's eight and eight because this list

555
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at last year has Time Ontgomery as a receiver. Okay,

556
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: so it's eight and eight, so it's same number. Yesterday

557
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: they were shorthanded yeah, but Juju's gonna be back Kaisha

558
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: and Bute is gonna get on the field. You talk,

559
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: you talk about it. Can we let's move on from

560
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: talk about it? Because you talk about the Eagles and oh,

561
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: you know they're not doing this. They freaking love Tyree Jackson,

562
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: who is a converted quarterback they're trying to turn into

563
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: as tight end.

564
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: They they might freaking love him, but they don't. They

565
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: like the idea of a guy named Dallas Goddard who's

566
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 2: actually playing tight end for them, you know. He just

567
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing.

568
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Speaker 1: And I think we know the Patriots don't have a

569
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Speaker 1: number one receiver.

570
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: That's but it's the Jeff Thomas of it all. It's

571
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: like every year we have to do this right, Like

572
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Speaker 2: I'll even say, like to the an extent that like

573
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Speaker 2: Trey Nixon or de Mario Douglas might like fit this

574
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: category too. Every year we have to overhype some guy that, like,

575
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Speaker 2: you know, his YouTube highlights are are good, and like

576
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Speaker 2: we're just gonna get all jazzed up about it the

577
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: guy that And I want to segue because we talked

578
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: too much about Malie Cunningham for my liking the guy

579
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: that I think that we should legitimately be bullish on

580
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: is Taekwon, Like Taekwon to me, has a real chance

581
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: to break out. And I've had this take all along

582
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: and it's not like a hot take or anything, but

583
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: Taekwon's breakout or potential goes hand in hand with Mac Jones'

584
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: breakout in potential. Right. If Mac Jones is going to

585
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: break out and throw for thirty touchdown passes this year

586
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: and be the quarterback that takes that next step, he's

587
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: gonna need somebody to come along with him. Like he

588
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: said yesterday, I'm gonna run my race and hopefully everybody

589
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: runs behind me. That was a Mac Jones quote for

590
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: you yesterday. Taekwon Thorton is the guy that if this

591
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: offense is truly gonna hit its ceiling and hits its

592
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: utmost potential, it's gonna have to be because Taekwon Thornton

593
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: plays like a second round pick.

594
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Okay, but you just had that whole thing about I

595
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: don't want to sit here and hype up the guy

596
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: who has the pretty highlight tape and now you're good,

597
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna overreact to Taekwon Thornton, who I'm not saying,

598
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton can't be good this he we know he's

599
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: faster than everybody else on the field. We've known that

600
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: since they drafted him. I don't know what else did

601
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: we see yesterday, Evan.

602
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: I think we saw some route detail that he didn't

603
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: put out on the tape.

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: Line you reacting to the highlight tape. Basically, this is

605
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Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy. Oh he's he breaks

606
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: out in many camp because he's faster everybody else. Oh wow,

607
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: he must be going. This is the exact kind of

608
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: guy you're saying you don't want to focus on.

609
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that because I think that Taekwon

610
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: we knew that that that had he had that baseline

611
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: of speed. I think what we saw yesterday was a

612
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: little bit more of an ability to various speeds, change speeds,

613
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: and like use that superpower. Like he knows that he

614
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: has the threat of taking off on every single play. Yeah,

615
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: and every corner he goes up against is going to

616
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: have to respect the fact that this guy can take

617
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Speaker 2: the top off.

618
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: But that changes once guys can hit him at the line,

619
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Speaker 1: and once guys can hithm at.

620
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Speaker 2: The I agree, although he did have a really nice

621
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: release against Jack Jones. Maybe it's because Jack Jones can't

622
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: really use his hands yet that's a movement was there.

623
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Speaker 1: I'm not willing to go there with Taekwon Thornton yet,

624
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not willing to.

625
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: Go I'm not willing to go there to the extent

626
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: of like I'm gonna say that Taekwon Thornton's gonna have

627
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: a thousand yards is gonna totally break out. I'm a

628
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: little bit more bullish on somebody else that will get

629
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: to down the line. Other than that, but with Taekwon,

630
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: the things that I saw from him from the details

631
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: of his routes, like I just thought it was crisper.

632
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: I thought he was coming in and out of the

633
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: break crisper. I thought it was more efficient. I think

634
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: last year there was a lot of wasted movement in

635
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: his route, running both at the line of scrimmage and

636
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: at the top of the route. And I think this

637
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: is really where Bill O'Brien can help him at the

638
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, is getting him off the line, like

639
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: bringing him in motion, using him a little bit more

640
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: in the slot, using him off the line of scrimmage

641
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: in a bunch or a stack where he doesn't have to,

642
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: you know, put a move on a guy in press

643
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: and then get up the field and then get into

644
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: the like all that type of stuff I think really

645
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: slowed him down last year and this year. I think

646
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: that he what he showed me yesterday is a like

647
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: he he knows his superpower right, and we can now

648
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: build off of the superpower of the speed, which is key.

649
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: And two, I think that there was a little bit

650
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: more efficiency to his movements. I don't think that there

651
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: was quite as much jibber jabber, you know, happy feed throwing,

652
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: fake throwing, bobbing and weaving. Like it was just kind

653
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: of go, get up to that to a good speed

654
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: with that acceleration, get guys on their heels, and then

655
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: break off of it like he caught that out route

656
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: that he caught, just undress the corner. Now as a

657
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: practice squad corner. I'm not gonna sit here and be like,

658
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, like this is you know, him going

659
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: up against Jalen Ramsey and the Miami Dolphins or whatever

660
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Darius slagh week one against Philadelphia. But that ability to

661
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: get up the field, get the corner on his heels

662
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: and then break it off. That's Those are the types

663
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: of routes that are gonna make him a higher volume guy.

664
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: You can't just throw deep shots to them all day long.

665
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: He's got to build something else off of that, and

666
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: it's going to be the underneath stuff. It's going to

667
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: be getting guys to open up there and get on

668
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: their horse and then breaking it down and then get

669
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: and losing them. At the top of the route, he

670
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: caught a slant coming over the middle of the field

671
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: that probably would have been a big play. Like those

672
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: are the types of routes that get me a little

673
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: bit excited.

674
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: I just want to see it when he's going against

675
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: guys that can hit him.

676
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: It's fair, it's fair, and I am willing to wait

677
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: as well before I get really excited about Taekwon Thornton.

678
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: But it was good.

679
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Yesterday was the best practice I've seen him have in

680
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: any setting, whether it was OTA's last year Mini camp,

681
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: last year training camp. Last year, he had like one

682
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: catch every couple practices where you're like, oh, there it

683
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: is right, like he could yesterday. He was consistently opened

684
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: the entire practice, and that's exciting. It should be exciting.

685
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: You're allowed to be excited about it. The other receivers,

686
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, DeVante Parker didn't really do much. He caught

687
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: that one screen that he might have housed it in

688
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: a game, but it wasn't like really, you know, we'll

689
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: see what happens in real life. Kendrick Bourne was more involved,

690
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: but again I think almost add of necessity to a degree.

691
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: So I'm not ready to Well, the question.

692
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: Is going to be when Juju comes back, who's the

693
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: odd man out because he was a pretty regular rotation

694
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: at receiver yesterday without him.

695
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did drop a pass up the scene,

696
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: which was wasn't great. But other than that, I thought

697
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne I was back involved.

698
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: And maybe that I mean, if we want to talk

699
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: about usage, if you're gonna hype up Taekwon Thornton, yep,

700
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: I thought the kind of routes, say Kendrick Bourne running

701
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: were a lot more like what he was running in

702
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I thought they had him playing a

703
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: lot more to his skill set. I know you aren't

704
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: necessarily counting on a bounce back year for Kendrick Bourne.

705
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: I kind of am, and I think they're going to

706
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: try to really tap into what worked for him in

707
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one compared to what they had him doing

708
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: last year.

709
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was the biggest thing, and I

710
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: think that's that's a good way of putting it. With

711
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: all of the receivers, and you can throw Tomario Douglas,

712
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: who I think is important to put the context in

713
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: that he was doing it mostly with backups, right, like

714
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: he wasn't cracking the top rotation, is my point. But

715
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: that being said, everybody seemed to be doing things that

716
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: made sense, right, Like Kendrick Borden was running routes that

717
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: made sense for him, Taekwan was running routes that made

718
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: sense for him, and then Tomorrow Douglas was running out

719
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: of the slot, catching passes underneath the defense, doing some

720
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: things like gadget type things as well. All of it,

721
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: you could see that they have plans and they have

722
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: visions for how to use all these players, and we're

723
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: already to a point where it's almost like they're already

724
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: calling plays for that vision, right and designing plays for

725
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: that vision. And that's kind of what you get with

726
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien. So that's the quarterbacks, that's the receivers. Let's

727
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: talk about running backs, and then We'll take some of

728
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: these phone calls. Time Montgomery. Time Montgomery is like the

729
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: best practice player that like on this team. Sometimes it's

730
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: kind of crazy, like he has done nothing in the

731
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: NFL for like two years, Like in an actual NFL game,

732
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: maybe he is like the peak Murray's Harris right, Like

733
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: maybe he is like peak practice.

734
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: But no, like Montgomery's been hurt. Yeah, he's proven himself

735
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL before.

736
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he I'm not He's not a game changer out

737
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: of the backfield. He's not James White, He's not even

738
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: like Shane Vereen right, He's not like a real game

739
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: breaker out of that spot. But it just seems like

740
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: whenever the quarterback needs to dump the football off and

741
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: he's involved in the practice, when they look for him,

742
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: he's where he's supposed to be, and he catches the

743
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: football and then he gets up the field and it's

744
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: going to give you at least a little something after

745
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: the catch potentially as well. But it's like there's a

746
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: he's a safety blanket. It's a reliability, like he always

747
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: seems to be where he's supposed to be at he

748
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: catches the football, and there's it doesn't look at all

749
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: that difficult for him. So once again, here we are

750
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: in the middle of the summertime or the spring, and

751
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: we're talking about Toime Montgomery potentially having a role on

752
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: this football team. I think that that's that's valid. I

753
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: think that there's definitely a path. Again, he think he

754
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: looks like the most natural receiving back on the team,

755
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: even more said than some of the younger guys.

756
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, again, it's gonna be interesting to see how

757
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: that all shakes out. I thought, just to we're on

758
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: the running backs, I thought Pierre Strong Kevin Harris got

759
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: some good reps yesterday.

760
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris looks a little lighter. He does look he

761
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: does a little more spry out.

762
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: But I think the both of them, you know, you

763
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: talk about the high impact reps, and we kind of

764
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: talked about this with Mac Jones and the quarterback competition.

765
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: I thought the two of them got some high impact reps. Yeah,

766
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: which was good to see. I don't think this they're

767
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: gonna sort this thing out behind Remandre and whether it's

768
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: four guys for two spots, four guys for three spots

769
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: between Montgomery, Robinson, Strong and Harris, like that part's not

770
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: clear yet, But it's gonna be some combination of those

771
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: four fighting for two or three spots, and I think

772
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one hell of a competition. I think

773
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be close, because, like you said, I thought

774
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Montgomery he looked great yesterday and he looks healthy, and

775
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: he looks ready to go. I thought Harris and Strong

776
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: both had a solid prac I thought they rotated all

777
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: for relatively equally. If there's one guy we saw a

778
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: little less of, it was James Robinson. But sometimes they

779
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: go practice practice. Sometimes it's hey, you know, this was

780
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: a Time Ontgomery practice, and next week will be the

781
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: James Robinson practice, and so it's just when practice we

782
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: can't go there yet. But it's interesting that it seems

783
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: like all four guys are really in the mix. Even J. J.

784
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Taylor got some good run yesterday. Yeah, I still think

785
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: he's on.

786
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: The outside showing the wide right for the Bills, And

787
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: I just never gets old watching the Bills lose. Anyways,

788
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: I just feel like Time Montgomery is he just always

789
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: seems to look the most at home in that role.

790
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Like they've tried. I think they are still trying to

791
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: work with Pierre Strong, you know, to get to that point.

792
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: I think they're still trying. Maybe there's a little bit

793
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: more out of Kevin Harris than they expected as a receiver.

794
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: I did not expect Kevin Harris when he came into

795
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: the league to catch very many passes at all. Maybe

796
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: he could do a little bit more than that. I

797
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: think James Robinson still has a chance to do some

798
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: of those types of things. But it always keeps coming

799
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: back to Time Montgomery. Whenever he's out there, he just

800
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: looks like a good fit there. All right, let's take

801
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: some of these calls and we'll get to the rest

802
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: of the roster. Here. Chris is in Fresno. Thanks for

803
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: hanging on, Chris. What's up?

804
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: How's it going on? I have a quick question. I'll

805
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: actually have two questions. So, based off what you saw yesterday,

806
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: do you think that we still need to cheat up

807
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: number one R receiver, you know, like Hopkins, or do

808
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: you think that we're good with the group that we

809
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: have now? And then my second question is, how did

810
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 3: it on? Mike is sticky like yesterday would be playing

811
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: more tight end, more receiver. I'm not sure she gots

812
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: to report on, But thank you.

813
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

814
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris and yeah, that's a good segue because tight

815
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: ends was the next stop along this track here. Well, sorry,

816
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: go ahead, No, let's talk about the receiver question real quickly.

817
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell because they didn't have Juju out

818
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: there yet, so we don't know exactly how it's all

819
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: gonna fit together. But I think what really came to

820
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: fruition yesterday and sort of the vision if you just

821
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: assume it's either gonna it's going to be Juju, probably

822
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: in the role that Kendrick Bourne was playing yesterday, with

823
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Taekwon in the role he was playing, and then DeVante

824
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: Parker and really DeAndre Hopkins is kind of the only

825
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: guy out there we know. He's the name right now.

826
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: Well, so the one thing I was gonna add is

827
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Diana Ruscini just reported that Patriots are interested. For what

828
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: I There's been four or five reports over the last

829
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: couple of days that have said that where'd the full

830
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: one go here? Patriots are interested, The Bills have had conversations,

831
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: but are not all in on Hopkins. Whatever that means. Oh,

832
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: that's one of the teams that we thought, you know,

833
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: in that the Cowboys and Jets are not interested.

834
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so the real question, and look, maybe there's still

835
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: a number one receiver that comes out of nowhere that's available,

836
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: but this time of year, we've kind of that ship

837
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: has sort of sailed, right, Jerry Judy is not all

838
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden gonna get traded sad at this point

839
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: or or something like that. So Hopkins and not that

840
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: this has changed based off of yesterday at all, but

841
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: what you're really talking about his Hopkins taking over Devonte

842
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Parker's spot, right, And I still think that that's one

843
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent worth it for the Patriots. And

844
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: I'll add to that, and we talked a little bit

845
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: about this on PU on Tuesday, I think, but I'll

846
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: add to that that the Patriots should absolutely do everything

847
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: in their power to get DeAndre Hopkins on this football team.

848
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: Like there's money that should not be an object. They

849
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: should be giving him what he wants. They should be

850
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: backing up the Brinks truck because in a lot of ways,

851
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: even if it's just off of reputation, even if he's

852
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: not the same guy that he used to be, but

853
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: just having him out there just makes opposing defenses think

854
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: about the pecking order a little bit differently. At wide receiver,

855
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: it just opens up so much for everybody else. So

856
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: even if he's just running Devonte Parker's routes in the

857
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: X receiver spot and doing exactly what Devonte Parker did

858
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: last year, I still think that there's something to be

859
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: said for this is DeAndre freaking Hopkins right, Like, this

860
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: is a different animal than than DeVante Parker.

861
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: This goes back to it you were complain think about

862
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: with Malie Cunningham. Why do we keep having a manufacture

863
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: these wide receiver ones and guys like Malie Cunningham. Well,

864
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: so if they get DeAndre Parker, can we talk about

865
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham then without you throwing a fit, Maybe I

866
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: think that's a fair bet.

867
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: Maybe it's fair they get Hopkins and.

868
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: Again and maybe DeAndre Hopkins teach to this matter of factly,

869
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: the Patriots should be doing everything in their power to.

870
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Get DeAndre Hopkins to New England. Like this is not

871
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: This doesn't happen too often in the NFL. And Alex

872
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: you can speak to this that on June first, a

873
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: player for free, not via trade right for free, well money, but.

874
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: No picks.

875
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Thank you for the mister Kraft for everything. It's your money.

876
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: It's not mine right for free.

877
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Spoken like a true team.

878
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: The player you can get that caliber this time of

879
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: year is rare.

880
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And let me interject there, because I hear people

881
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I'm literally seeing it pop

882
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: up in the chat on Facebook as we speak that

883
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: word washed. He is washed. And look, on one hand,

884
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I get it. He's going into his age thirty one season.

885
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

886
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: The thirty mark is generally a pretty strong line of

887
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: demarcation for wide receivers. There's very few wide receivers that

888
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: produce after thirty. But a couple things on that. First off,

889
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say DeAndre Hopkins is

890
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: slow because he's not slow. He's never been a burner, right,

891
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: if we were to list NFL burners, it would be

892
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: a while before we got to DeAndre Hawkins has never been.

893
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: He wins on route running, he wins on body control. Obviously,

894
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: he's got tremendous hands, right, catch radius, all of that. Everybody,

895
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: When I do that explanation, people go to buld hands.

896
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: I like to save the best for last. Okay, outstanding hands,

897
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: outstanding catch radius, those things don't go away with age

898
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: the way speed does his game translates better without speed.

899
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: Like you see guys who are really fast and then

900
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: they lose a step or two and suddenly they're not

901
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: the same player. I compared to in baseball, right, the

902
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: guys the pitchers who are great because they throw one

903
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: hundred and one. They can't necessarily spot the ball, but

904
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: they're throwing it so hard it doesn't matter. All of

905
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, one oh one becomes ninety six and they're

906
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: just throwing batting practice. Versus a guy who has thrown

907
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: eighty nine his whole career and it's not impressive, but

908
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: he can put it right on the black every single

909
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: time and it's got nasty movement. Those are the guys

910
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: that pitch into their late thirties early forties, compared to

911
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: these fireballers that are generally sillying.

912
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: Is that is that DeAndre Hopkins is the eighty nine

913
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: mile an hour control guy.

914
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is more Nolan Ryan than he is like

915
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Madison Bumgardner. Right, Madison Bumgardner was throwing gas and then

916
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't throwing gas, and he really wasn't that good anymore.

917
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a guy. There's less of

918
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: these guys now because everybody wants to.

919
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I'm just gonna like use this

920
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: and baseball is not my thing, but we're running with

921
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 2: this analogy. Greg Maddox, right.

922
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: Greg Maddox would be a great example. Greg Maddox was

923
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: always like, okay, duh Verlander, Yeah, justin Verlander never threw

924
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: a hard but he's still going great because he can

925
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: pinpoint it. And it's so anyway, it's enough baseball. It's

926
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: talk for the show.

927
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing iceball season.

928
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, the other thing I want to bring up

929
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: on Hopkins that kind of backs this up, and you're

930
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, you're just saying that blah blah blah like,

931
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: but it will fade. He's old. I know you hate

932
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: like pace talk, right, like seventeen game pace.

933
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: No, but last year he on a per game basis,

934
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hockens want the number. Still a top ten receiver

935
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: in the league, not just top ten.

936
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: So first of all, he was ninth in quarterback rating

937
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: when targeted. And the reason I like that stat is

938
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: who were the Cardinals quarterbacks last year? He was playing

939
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: nobody good when I was Trace McSorley.

940
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: Actually, he's never played with a good quarterback.

941
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're we're on the same boat about Kyler.

942
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to start a whole thing about Kyler,

943
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: but let's sort okay, DeAndre Hopkins had he so he

944
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: played nine games last year, about half the season. Had

945
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: he played seventeen? Evan, you tell me if a guy

946
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: with these numbers you're interested in bringing.

947
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: In, is this something you might be interested in?

948
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: One hundred twenty one yards, yeah, or sorry, hundred twenty

949
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: one catches, hundred twenty one catches, one, three hundred and

950
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: fifty four yards, six touchdown.

951
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing is like, I.

952
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: This is a thirteen hundred yard receiver.

953
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. This is the pushback that I

954
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: don't really understand, you know, I think in not taking

955
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: any shots that I think it was Albert Breer that

956
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: like had those like NFL execs say about DeAndre Hopkins

957
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: that he can't run anymore, like something like that, and

958
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: a that was just like never his game. But also

959
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: the numbers were the numbers last year. Like, you're you're lying, right,

960
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: You're you're lying when you're saying that you're being disingenuous.

961
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: A guy can't put up thirteen hundred yards in the

962
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: NFL without being able to get open.

963
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: Still, can I throw up one more number? Actually, I

964
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: just found this because I know Patriots fans are petrified

965
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: of Jalen Ramsey, who, by the way, I think that

966
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: acquisition from Miami's totally overblown. I was out on Jalen Ramsey.

967
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the player he once was. If

968
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: you're a Patriots fan, you're petrified of Jalen Ramsey on

969
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Here's what DeAndre Hopkins did against the Rams

970
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: last year. Ten catches ninety eight yards. Yeah, no, he's

971
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: he can he can still play. Yeah, he can still play.

972
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: And he's do you still think he comes in here

973
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: and as your best receiver? And that's what the Patriot

974
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: should be looking for. Tight ends though, that's our DeAndre

975
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: Hopkins a bit right there. I think both of us

976
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: are on board with throw whatever type of money bag

977
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: you need to throw at that guy to get him

978
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: to New England and recruit him, bring him to Nantucket, Bill,

979
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, get him on the.

980
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: Payroll. Let's do it. Tight ends. I thought that there

981
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: were two plays that stood out from the tight ends.

982
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 2: First of all, we mentioned Johnny lump Get a little

983
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: bit earlier. That is a massive human. I thought he

984
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: was a tackle. I really did. I thought because he's

985
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: wearing sixty five, because he's in the rookie number right now,

986
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: and he looks the part of a sixty five. So

987
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: he's a big dude. I think that's intriguing. There was

988
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: one play where Mikeasicki just crossed over the middle of

989
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: the field and caught a crossing pattern, hit him in stride,

990
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: turned up a little bit, and I was like, well,

991
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: there's MIKEA Sicki right, Like, that's why he's here. He's

992
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: here to horizontally stretch the field, vertically stretch the field

993
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: from inside the formation as a tight end, slash slot receiver,

994
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: big jumbo slot, whatever you want to call it. And

995
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: then there was a corner route the Hunter Henry wrong

996
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: on the right sideline that was vintage Hunter Henry right.

997
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: It was a clear out, vertical, flat corner three level

998
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: flood hits him right in this in the honey hole

999
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: there on the sideline, and I was like, well, that's

1000
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: vintage Hunter Henry. So there's a lot out there about

1001
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: both of those guys playing together and the two tight

1002
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: ends being back. You know, twenty eleven Patriots, Bill O'Brien whatever.

1003
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can like look too much

1004
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: into all that just yet. It's one practice, but it's

1005
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: certainly what I saw from MIKEASICKI I liked. You know,

1006
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: he's a little bit of a different body type. He's

1007
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: certainly more leaner, more athletic. You can see that that

1008
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver, you know, kind of comp there with the

1009
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: body type. And like I said, you know that crossing route,

1010
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: when that hit him on that like you know, shallow

1011
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: intermediate level, like it's carbably like an eight yard cross,

1012
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's wise here, you know, that's

1013
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: what he's gonna do.

1014
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the best way to describe what

1015
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: we saw from him yesterday, he was as advertised. I

1016
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: mean that as a positive. You know, he's lining up

1017
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: all over the formation, like you said, moves more like

1018
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: a wide receiver than a tight end. He's another guy

1019
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: that probably benefits from non padded practices.

1020
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: But I liked what I saw from Yeah, there was

1021
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: also one player when they were doing that screen period,

1022
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: we actually threw a pretty good block of all things considered.

1023
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: For a no, we're not going to break down blocks.

1024
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: And I just did. I just did.

1025
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: Know.

1026
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: The reason why I brought it up, though, is because

1027
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: as much as he's not somebody that I think is

1028
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: going to be a difference maker as an inline tight

1029
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: end with his hand in the dirt if they're going

1030
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: to run a lot of these like bubbles and like

1031
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: screen attachments off the RPOs, like, that's a different type

1032
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: of block.

1033
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: That's fair. You know that, that's like out.

1034
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: On the perimeter style block where I still think on

1035
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: those blocks it's more about just like throwing your size

1036
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: around at that point, and if you can be six

1037
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: to six and two hundred and fifty pounds and at

1038
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: least just get in the way of somebody to get

1039
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton loose, sort of get Marcus jo if he's

1040
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: playing offense loose or whatever the case may be. That's

1041
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: a lot different than asking you to block an outside

1042
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: linebacker defensive end with your hand in the dirt like

1043
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: your tackle, Like, that's a much different skill. You're talking

1044
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: about blocking DB's safeties, corners, things like that. So that's

1045
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: your tight ends. I thought, like you said, both guys,

1046
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: just nothing to nothing to write home about, necessarily, but

1047
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: nothing to like panic about either. Just exactly what we

1048
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: kind of expected from the both those dudes. Firstker wasn't

1049
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: like super involved, I didn't think yet, but he was

1050
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: out there a little bit. But Lumpkin really stood out

1051
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, asthetic and ill coming off

1052
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: the bus with a guy like like Johnny Lumpkin. He

1053
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: definitely looks that part.

1054
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to be excited to see him

1055
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: when the Pats come on. Yeh's that's gonna be when

1056
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: we start talking about you.

1057
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: I think he has a real shot as that at

1058
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: that third in line run blocking you know, fourth and one.

1059
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: You know, probably rather Johnny Lumpkin out there than Hunter

1060
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: Henry or get Sicky. It's possible. It's possible that he

1061
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: could be in that role. All right, Sean and Vancouver

1062
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: or what's up, Sean?

1063
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 5: I have three questions or short one thing I wanted

1064
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 5: to know. You've mentioned a lot about the play or

1065
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 5: just what the action looks like for Thornton. I wonder

1066
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 5: about the physicality though. Does he look a little heavier

1067
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: or could you not tell?

1068
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that he looked noticeably heavier. He did

1069
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: mention that that was something that was obviously an emphasis

1070
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: for him. But I would also be I think I'm

1071
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: maybe not on the same page as everybody else as

1072
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: much on this. I don't know how you feel about it, Alex.

1073
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't want Tykwon Thornton being too heavy.

1074
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's a dangerous game you play. Yeah, he's

1075
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: got to put on a little muscle, certainly, but you

1076
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: don't want him slowing down.

1077
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: And his frame is kind of his frame when you're

1078
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: when you stand across from him, Sean, like, this is

1079
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: not a guy that is like, Oh, he just needs

1080
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: to fill out, right, Like he he's got a smaller frame,

1081
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: He's got a slighter frame. It's just kind of his build.

1082
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: What else?

1083
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 5: You got a trace mcstorey Just to put this out

1084
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 5: there in case anyone's wondering.

1085
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: I looked this up.

1086
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: No relation to Marty, in case anyone's wondering. And the

1087
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 5: last question, I have you sort of mention this and

1088
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: I'm guessing that you're not going to know until pas

1089
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: come on. But you're you're high on Lumpkin. Does that

1090
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 5: mean that you think that Ferksers is not going to

1091
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: make the team.

1092
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good question. Thanks for the call, Sean.

1093
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily. I think it is

1094
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: between those two guys, and I do think that they

1095
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: probably have a little bit of a different plan for

1096
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: both of them. Yeah, And so that's what's going to

1097
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: come down to ultimately, is I think do they prioritize

1098
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: basically having a third tackle? You know, I brought up

1099
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: a crap, Who's Michael Williams? Thank you? I brought up

1100
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 2: Michael Williams. I don't know Patriots fans all remember Michael Williams.

1101
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: But he's bigger than who Man, So I wouldn't necessarily

1102
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: use who Man as an example.

1103
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: Michael Williams is literally converted tackle. It's the same thing, right,

1104
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: He played tight end in college at like two hundred

1105
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds, got to the NFL, bulked up

1106
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: to tackle with Detroit, and then he ended up with

1107
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots and they moved him back to his tight end.

1108
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: They didn't really throw him the ball, yea, but like

1109
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: he was out there, team said, WU account for him

1110
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: as a tight end, not as a tackle.

1111
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: So the question is is do they prioritize that of

1112
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: an inline blocking tight end who could potentially leak out

1113
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: and catch a pass on a fourth and one play?

1114
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: Action if they wanted to throw the defense in a

1115
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a curve ball or a Ferksker, who

1116
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: I think is really more of like a move tight

1117
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: end that could maybe play some h back play, some

1118
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: full back play, some slot and be a little bit

1119
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: more versatile, but not necessarily be as physically imposing. I

1120
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: think that's going to come down to where they envisioned

1121
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: the offense going more than anything like what the roles

1122
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: are and what they're trying to fill out on the

1123
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: depth chart. But behind Hunter Henry Kasiki.

1124
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Well at the same time too, I think both of

1125
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: those guys are probably guys you can get on the

1126
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: practice squad.

1127
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lumpkin certainly less he like because he's not going

1128
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: to have the stats in the preseason. He's not going

1129
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: to catch ten passes in the gaming like that.

1130
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: So at what point, you know, is it they're just

1131
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing them back and forth from the practice

1132
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: squad week to week based on matchups. I think Lumpkin

1133
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: has a better shot to make the Week one roster

1134
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: because of that udf A streak, but it could be

1135
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: all right. Lumpkin's on Week one and Week one against

1136
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: the Eagles against that pass rush maybe you want an

1137
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: extra blocker out there, and he makes sense. And then

1138
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: after week one it's like, all right, well that Firks

1139
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: is a better matchup and they switch them. Ye like

1140
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: that could totally happen to Yep, absolutely, all right.

1141
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?

1142
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: How you doing?

1143
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: Guys?

1144
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 4: How are you today?

1145
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Hey?

1146
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: Good?

1147
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: Good?

1148
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: Sorry a little bit annoise. I'm working in my shop today.

1149
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 4: But uh so, I think I got an answer on

1150
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: Joe Judge's pomposity. I hear me out. We heard Bill

1151
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: say yesterday during this press conference that you do and

1152
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 4: if anything that I asked him to do or anything

1153
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 4: I tell him to do now.

1154
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 6: Either of you guys see Forrest com years ago. Yeah,

1155
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 6: once upon a time that there's a scene where he's

1156
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 6: in boot camp and it's army boot camp. So I'm

1157
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 6: not getting this wrong. His drill sergeant says, go, what

1158
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 6: is your sole purpose in this army? He's like to

1159
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 6: do whatever you tell me, and he's like.

1160
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: Damn it, that's the most outstanding answer I've ever heard.

1161
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 4: You must be a genius. So I think Joe Judge

1162
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: probably grew up hearing how stupid he was, you know,

1163
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 4: throughout his life. And then Bill comes up and says

1164
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: and asks him the same question, and he gets the

1165
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: same answer, and he's like, Wow, this guy actually thinks

1166
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm pretty smart. He thinks of a genius. I'm joking obviously,

1167
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 4: But Evan, I got two words why we don't need

1168
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins? Are you ready for it? Maybe Malik cunning him? Yes,

1169
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 4: that's all I got.

1170
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a good pack. Good call, good call, good call.

1171
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: I can't I can't get mad. I can't get mad.

1172
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: But with Joe Judge, I don't want to go too

1173
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: deep on Joe Judge, but I don't know how you

1174
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: feel about it. It was pretty clear to me that

1175
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: he's the Special Teams coordinator. Like, I don't know what's

1176
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: going on with camic Cord. I don't know if Camra

1177
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: Cord was out there with the Special Teams guys also

1178
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: in the Special Teams periods, But the voice you heard

1179
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: was Joe Judge. The guy that was barking out the

1180
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: orders and really running the show in that phase of

1181
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: the game was Joe Judge. Is it possible that camic

1182
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: Cord has gotten demoted? Is it possible that they're like

1183
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: co Special Teams coordinators will maybe we'll find out when

1184
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: the when the media guide comes out and the official

1185
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff is announced. I don't know, I don't know

1186
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: what it's exactly going to look like on paper, but

1187
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: it was pretty apparent that Joe Judge is going to

1188
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: be heavily, heavily involved in the kicking game. Not just

1189
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: helping out and giving his input and quality control stuff. No,

1190
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: he's like coaching the special teams right now.

1191
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's certainly what it looks like.

1192
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we had offensive line. Not much to

1193
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: glean from offensive line in a non padded practice. Obviously,

1194
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: we're not gonna break down performance. And this guy look good,

1195
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: that guy look good. It's more about who was where

1196
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: and who wasn't right and uh, without Trent Brown, without

1197
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: Mike on winning at the moment, So the only real

1198
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: solidified holdovers were David Andrews at center and Cole Strange

1199
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: at left guard. Like those two guys are gonna be

1200
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: hip and hip for a long time hopefully, right and uh,

1201
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be the the interior there. The rest

1202
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: of it was I think pretty I'm gonna use a

1203
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 2: phrase that apparently only I know chalk and uh, that's

1204
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: a you know, Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson. Reef on

1205
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: the right side, Anderson on the left side. We did

1206
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: see a little bit of Connor McDermott. Right there's kind

1207
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: of those three guys rotating at tackle, and then a

1208
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: little bit of Bill Murray. Yeah, a little bit Bill Murray.

1209
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna look too much into that, just because

1210
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: you know, the rookies haven't been around long enough to

1211
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: they're just trying to run a practice.

1212
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: And and Jason Hines wasn't there either. Chason Hines wasn't

1213
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: a practice. In addition, we know Mike on and Win

1214
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: who's dealing with a.

1215
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, surgery that Reeves reported. So I'm not gonna

1216
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: say that Bill Murray is like, oh, all of a sudden,

1217
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put him on my roster projection as a

1218
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 2: as a on the roster. But him and James Ferns

1219
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: were kind of switching off a little bit on the

1220
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: inside there at guard at right guard. So that was

1221
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: sort of your group. I think that group, it's safe

1222
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 2: to assume maybe with Bill Murray being the one guy

1223
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: that's that could be on the fringe of it when

1224
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: things get real and James Farrens certainly has the practice

1225
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 2: squad element that is, I think always going to be there.

1226
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: That he could, you be cut just to make room

1227
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: for somebody else on the fifty three initially and then

1228
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: brought back or promoted from the practice squad. But the

1229
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: two new guys, Reef in Calvin Anderson, I still think

1230
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 2: Conor McDermott has a shot. You know, Trent Brown's gonna

1231
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: have one of those, right.

1232
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: We got to see what it looks like when Trent

1233
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Brown comes back. I think that's a big part.

1234
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: But I think that they're really high on those two

1235
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: new guys, and that's why they signed up. You know,

1236
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: it's not like kind of breaking ground by saying that

1237
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 2: they signed him for a reason. But one of those guys,

1238
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: I think Connor McDermott, excuse me, Rley Reef for Calvin Anderson,

1239
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: one of those guys is starting next year one of

1240
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 2: the tackle spots. That that's for sure well.

1241
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: And I think some people had wondered, you know, mostly

1242
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: with Reef, which side he was going to play on

1243
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: because he's been a left tackle for so long and

1244
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: then played right tackle last couple of years, And that

1245
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest, biggest thing to come from

1246
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: have this as we kind of get idea of who's

1247
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: going to play on which side.

1248
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: At least primarily, it does seem like they're getting reef

1249
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: ready to play right tackle. Yeah, so I think that's

1250
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: gonna be what we all expected and are where it's headed.

1251
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: Moving over to the other side of the football. Defensive line. Again,

1252
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: not a position that I'm going to get too crazy

1253
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: about what actually happened in a non padded practice, but

1254
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: Keon White, Uh, Keon White's a thing. Ke On White's involved,

1255
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: playing a little bit with the hand in the dirt,

1256
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: playing a little bit standing up, playing over the tackle,

1257
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: outside the tackle. Some just looks like that's a guy

1258
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: that they're trying to get ready as well, and some people,

1259
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: I think you had some opinions on how he looked

1260
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: like rushing and stuff. Again, I'm not gonna really look

1261
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: too much into any of that, but I think what

1262
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: was interesting a lot of their their base front, the

1263
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: team drills that they did with defensive linemen and had

1264
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: base front. It was that till front that I was

1265
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: talking to you about, the odd front to three four

1266
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: with a stand up outside linebacker on the line of scrimmage,

1267
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: and that was mostly josh Uja, it seemed like, but

1268
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: Keon White also mixed into that role a little bit.

1269
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 2: I could see that being his role at some point

1270
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: as well. So not as a I'm not surprised, Like

1271
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: ke On Waite's a twenty five year old rookie, right,

1272
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five year old rookie something like that,

1273
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: is in college for six years. I don't think that

1274
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that should be brought along

1275
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: slowly necessarily. I think he should be ready to contribute

1276
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: your year one, especially when you drafted him in the

1277
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: second round. So I'm not shocked that he was out

1278
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: there already by any means. So I'm not like, really,

1279
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, some people are really excited about that.

1280
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of think that he's going

1281
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: to play a role no matter what.

1282
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: No, that's something I will put stock into. And look,

1283
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: I get they were down Lawrence, Guy Davon, god Shot,

1284
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore, Matthew Judon, but like there's other guys. I

1285
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: think that they could have rotated the reps more evenly,

1286
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: is my point. You know, we didn't see as much

1287
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: of a guy like Ronnie Perkins. We didn't see as much.

1288
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's a good thing, right because.

1289
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, it's it's there's no reason and I'm

1290
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: not We've seen them be hesitant with rookies.

1291
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 2: There's no reason to waste time with what would jude

1292
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: On not being here, with those those other guys that

1293
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: you mentioned, but mostly Judah not being here, there's clearly

1294
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: another hold next to on the other side.

1295
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: I think with Lawrence Guy there there could be some

1296
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: upside in Lawrence Guy, some crossover in the role Lawrence

1297
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: Guy plays to key On White. Yeah, potentially, and then

1298
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: honestly to extrapolate that out, we're talking about, Hey, look,

1299
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: they're giving the rookies a shot. This is great. Marte Mapu.

1300
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: That was so you told me not to not to overreact.

1301
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: We can overreact to this one. This is the one

1302
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I will allow you to.

1303
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm all in. I said it on p I'm

1304
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: gonna say it here. I really really think that that

1305
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: there's reason to be extremely excited about the feeling the

1306
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: vibe right now around Marty Mapu. Not the main reason

1307
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: ninety percent of where I'm coming from is the fact

1308
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: that he was out there very very first reps seven

1309
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: on seven of the entire practice. They send their their

1310
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: quote unquote starting defense out there, and who's at the

1311
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: second level of the defense Juwan Bentley And is it

1312
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: Marty or Marte? I we need to get these names right,

1313
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: It's it's wrong.

1314
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, look even if it's Martin like a nickname.

1315
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: Right regardless, Juwan Bentley Marty Mapho the first two linebackers

1316
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: on the field for the Patriots, even with Marty Mapu

1317
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: in the red non contactors as he recovers from the peck,

1318
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: which tells you that even if it's just mental reps,

1319
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: they want him taking the mental reps. I'm just a

1320
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: massive because because this is exactly the role that I

1321
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: wanted him to play. I wanted them to play him

1322
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: at linebacker.

1323
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1324
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: We had this whole minutia argument of is he a safety?

1325
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: Is he a linebacker? Is he both? Like he was

1326
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: a linebacker yesterday, He's playing at the second level next

1327
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: to Juwan Bentley at inside linebacker, week side linebacker. That's

1328
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: exactly where he should be. He's out there with with

1329
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: other starters, with other ones, whatever you want to call it.

1330
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that really got me excited.

1331
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: This just really made it made uh, made me tingle

1332
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. He moved pretty damn well out there.

1333
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: He was moving really well in space and coverage. And

1334
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is watching him in the

1335
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: passing game, like read out plays and like diagnose coverage,

1336
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: you know, excuse me. Route combinations was really impressive. Like

1337
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 2: you can see the eye discipline right like where he's

1338
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: going here here here ball right, like you you can

1339
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: see sort of the the way that his head gear

1340
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: is moving, and you can tell that he's he's thinking about, Okay,

1341
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: this guy's clearing this out. They're filling in here like

1342
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: here's where I'm at, right, Like he can tell the

1343
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: processes down. And then he's got some real clicking clothes too,

1344
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: and once he's able to hit people, I think it's

1345
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: going to be a difference. The one like little bit

1346
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: of throwing water on my fire over here, just a

1347
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: little bit is that this is like subpackaged territory. Right,

1348
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: We're not doing run game, we're not we're not eleven

1349
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: on eleven. There's no pads, there's no contact. So it

1350
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: could just be that they view him in year one

1351
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: as a sub package sub linebacker, a coverage linebacker, whatever

1352
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: you want to call it, but even that I think

1353
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: is just really exciting to see. There was some plays

1354
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: where it was like they were trying to high low

1355
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: him or clear him out, and he just didn't take

1356
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: the cheese. He was positionally sound, He was sifting through

1357
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: route combinations and different threats and then he was finding

1358
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: the football. A really exciting mental practice from him as well.

1359
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 2: And I'm not like talking about physical stuff quite yet

1360
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: in terms of like closing on the ball and tackling

1361
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: and things like, we're not there yet, but mentally you

1362
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: could tell that he understood his assignment, like he wasn't floating,

1363
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: he wasn't lost in space, he wasn't covering grass like

1364
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: he was really on top of his p's and q's.

1365
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he was excellent. And again just the fact

1366
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: they put him out there. We know the red shirt guy,

1367
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: we know the weight, and put a guy in NFI

1368
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: if they can, and they had every reason to do

1369
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: with him, but they put him right out there on

1370
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: the field. That tells me they have big plans in

1371
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: store for him this year.

1372
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point about the the NFI or

1373
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 2: you know whatever, injury list they want. Yeah, a guy

1374
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: that tears his peck in February that you draft like

1375
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: camera groan. We just didn't see him. Andrew Stuber, we

1376
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: just didn't see him, right. That's not the case with

1377
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: Marty Mapu. And it's exciting because this is the type

1378
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: of player that we've been clamoring for. This is the

1379
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: type of player that you want out there that you

1380
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: want to see in this day and age. It's Matt Mulano,

1381
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: it's Deon Jones, It's a two hundred and twenty five

1382
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: pound true linebacker. You know, we're not talking about a safety.

1383
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about a linebacker. And it was excited to

1384
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: see with matp who Okay, moving back secondary. No Christian Gonzales.

1385
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: I know you were a little bummed about this. I

1386
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: was a little bit bummed about it. No Christian Gonzalez.

1387
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: We don't really have word yet about why we did

1388
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: not see Christian Gonzalez, but he wasn't out there yesterday's practice.

1389
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: But that did leave the door open, I guess a

1390
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't know if you would have been

1391
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: out with the with the ones anyways, but Jack Jones

1392
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: in the mix and next to Jonathan Jones on the outside.

1393
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant Marcus Jones was limited, so we didn't see

1394
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: a ton of him. Miles Brian's still playing the slot

1395
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: for now, playing some safety as well with Miles too,

1396
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: as you would expect. But I was I'm optimistic that

1397
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: this Jack Jones thing now a little bit more than

1398
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: I was, let's say, even forty eight hours ago, right

1399
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: because I was really concerned that they were just going

1400
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: to bury him r It ended the forum last year

1401
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: with the suspension and everything. Maybe it was just because

1402
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: they needed to because they didn't have bodies, right like,

1403
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: maybe it was that whole thing, But at least they

1404
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: had him out there and he was playing.

1405
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's tough to say without Gonzals because I

1406
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: think Gonzalvez is such a big pieces and even as

1407
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: we get in the safety conversation, I think not having

1408
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: Gonzalez out there impacts that because John Jones is a

1409
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: guy we think could get some reps.

1410
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1411
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: Deep, So it's a little heart to gauge. It's a

1412
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: little heart to gauge where they're out right now in

1413
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: the secondary. But Jack Jones is out there and that's

1414
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: definitely positive.

1415
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of the safeties, we saw Jalen Mills

1416
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: playing some safety. Jalen Mills is safety, like they've moved

1417
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: him to safety. He's not a corner anyway. And I

1418
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: think this is another one that this could be a situation.

1419
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: And look, I know that we're being a little bit

1420
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: positive about everything here today as we should in the

1421
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: spring and relation be too too negative. But with Jalen Mills,

1422
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: I am cautiously optimistic that maybe he's actually better safety

1423
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 2: than he is a corner. I think that's certainly what

1424
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: he's showed in Philadelphia once this Philly, the Eagles finally

1425
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: moved him to more of a safety role. He's playing

1426
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of deep safety. He was playing a

1427
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: little bit of closer to the line of scrimmage. But

1428
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: I think the general consensus with him at safety is

1429
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: that he's gonna play some deep middle of the field,

1430
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: maybe some split safety coverages, and then maybe guard some

1431
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: tight ends, like you know, I think that that's gonna

1432
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: be kind of a mix and match sort of role

1433
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: for him. But he was back there with Duggar and

1434
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: Phillips and Jabriel Peppers. But it was nice to see

1435
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: somebody that you mentioned it earlier. They were already spinning

1436
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: the dial a little bit like it wasn't you know,

1437
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't too exotic, but they were already trying to

1438
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: change the picture a little bit on the quarterbacks and

1439
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: things like that. So there's a lot going on back there.

1440
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm with you though, that it's it's tough to really

1441
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: sink your teeth in and be super excited without Christian

1442
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: Gonzalez because we don't know exactly how all the puzzle

1443
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: pieces are going to fit together when he was out there.

1444
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: But what did you think of What do you think

1445
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: in general of Mills moving to safety. I don't think

1446
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: he really can clean too much from yesterday, but just

1447
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: the fact that we now know that's pretty much official

1448
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: that he's going to be a.

1449
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: Same Yeah, I still think he's more like a situational

1450
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: safety dealing with tight ends things like that. Yeah, the

1451
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: one thing we're gonna talk about the safeties. I was

1452
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: kind of surprised by essay. I think we expected to

1453
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: see Kyle Duggar get repstep. I think we expected to

1454
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: see Jalen Mills get Repsteep. Phillips and Peppers worked in

1455
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: there too a good amount, and Pepper's I can kind

1456
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: of see it So the thing is, I'm torn between

1457
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to ta Kyle Douggar out of the

1458
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: box because he's so good there. Yeah, but I also

1459
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: don't He's probably the best deep safety they have on

1460
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: their roster just in terms of his skill set. So

1461
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: which way do you want to go? But if they

1462
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: can get something from Phillips or Pepper's deep, that changes things.

1463
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Peppers I kind of like back there because he's very instinctive,

1464
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: he's very explosive, he's a good tackler, and those are

1465
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: three big traits on the back end. I don't know

1466
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: that he has a straight line speed to play back

1467
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: there at full time, but yeah, you know, when the

1468
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: other team crosses the fifty and you maybe don't have

1469
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: to worry about those true deep shots, it becomes a

1470
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: bit more realistic. Phillips I always thought of as just

1471
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: a box safety, but he definitely has the intelligence play

1472
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: on the back end, and he might you talk about

1473
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: his football like you. And this isn't to take anything

1474
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: away from other guys who've been here, but the communication

1475
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: element of it, right, that was so important with Devin

1476
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: McCarty Phillips, I think, just based on what other players

1477
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: have talked about how he is on the field. If

1478
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: you're looking to feel that communicator role, I actually think

1479
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips might be the best guy for that.

1480
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think they're definitely you know, if they're

1481
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: gonna play split safety or cover two corridors coverage like

1482
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: where half the field is, you know, each player has

1483
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: half the field, then I think guys like Adrian Phillips

1484
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: and Jail Peppers can factor into that. I just think

1485
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: the big question with those they were we.

1486
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,480
Speaker 1: Saw them in a little little single highest today.

1487
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the range to play

1488
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: single high. That's sort of where I'm going with.

1489
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, so again to what I'm saying, like.

1490
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: Devin mccorty, you know guys that are like and look,

1491
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm not asking anybody to be an elite free safety,

1492
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 2: elite post safety, but guys that are truly elite at

1493
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: that spot have like legit speed.

1494
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: And but that's kind of my point. I don't think

1495
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna find a perfect replacement for Devin mccorty, soho

1496
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: can you piece mail it? Maybe when the other team

1497
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: is first and ten back at the twenty, You're not

1498
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: gonna put a guy like Jabrill Peppers back there because

1499
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the speed. But if they're at like

1500
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, if they're at like the thirty five going in, Yeah,

1501
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: suddenly that's a lot less ground to cover, right, and

1502
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: maybe it becomes more realistic and you can put more

1503
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: emphasis on a trait like IQ or tackling ability because

1504
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: the speed's not Speed's still important, but there's not as

1505
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: much ground to cover.

1506
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's It also depends like if you're talking about

1507
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 2: him playing post safety, single high safety in man to man,

1508
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: that's a lot different than him playing post safety and

1509
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: cover three because cover three you're just a tunnel. You

1510
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: just got the middle of the field and then they're

1511
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 2: deep part of the field is protected by the outside corner,

1512
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: so it's a three across the top. When you're pla

1513
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: playing single high safety and man, you are the life

1514
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: like that's it.

1515
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: That's it, And that's where that's where you probably need

1516
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Dugger back there because of how

1517
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: fast he is. But again, I just I think there's

1518
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: spots where it might make more sense for one of

1519
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: those other guys. Look, they're trying it. I'm just I'm interested.

1520
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: They're trying it. I'm glad they're trying it. I don't

1521
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: know that it will work to whatever extent.

1522
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: And this is you know, Smorre speaks to the things

1523
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: that even Devin McCarty has thrown out there, that this

1524
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: group it might end up actually being even though they're

1525
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: losing so much with Devin from a leadership standpoint and

1526
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: from that true center fielder experience, this might be a

1527
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: situation where they can mix a match a little bit more.

1528
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: You might not be as stagnant, you might not be

1529
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: as predictable on the back end because you're really not.

1530
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: You don't you know, Devin McCarty should play center field

1531
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: because he's Devin McCarty. Yeah, and in these packages, like

1532
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: is it gonna make a big difference if it's Kyle

1533
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: Duger versus Adrian Phillips versus Jalen Mills versus Jabriel Peppers,

1534
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 2: like yeah, or one of those guys so much better,

1535
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: like Devin was in that role that it has to

1536
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: be Devin all the time, Like probably not, So you're

1537
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: able to maybe mix and match it a little bit more,

1538
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: be a little bit more unpredictable, spin the dial a

1539
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: little bit like sometimes they spin it and it's Dugger

1540
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: going up top. Sometimes they spin it and it's Phillips

1541
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: going up top, and now it just, uh, it makes

1542
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: offenses react a little bit more. So I think that's

1543
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 2: part of the goal, is to be a little less

1544
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: predictable and maybe a little less uh you know, a

1545
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: little bit more positionless, and just kind of having that

1546
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: feel that either one of those guys can do it.

1547
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: Be a little bit more interchangeable. All right, last, but

1548
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: not least your you're specialists. We mentioned that I want

1549
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: to I want to do a little bit more. You

1550
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,839
Speaker 2: got your hang times, you got your your I know you.

1551
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: You were on the stop watch.

1552
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: I did get a chance to do the operation times.

1553
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: It's hard from that far away. Yeah, I know, I

1554
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: know I failed. It's really hard to do from that

1555
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: you had one job to do. I got the hang times.

1556
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted the hang times.

1557
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: So what was what was a Bearinger a Barringer. I

1558
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: don't know which one we're gonna go with on this,

1559
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: but uh, what was that?

1560
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: Trust Mike?

1561
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: What was the top hand times? Here?

1562
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 1: So hang on, let me pull him up. So Bearinger

1563
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: definitely had the better overall hang times. I think Weightman

1564
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: was a little more consistent. I also think one of

1565
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: the drills that looked like they were doing a short

1566
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: kick drill. So I don't feel great about these hang

1567
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: times being fully representative. But yeah, Weightman had three seven six,

1568
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: four four three seven, five four seven eight four eight

1569
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: and four three two, so we maxed out of four eight. Uh,

1570
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: his minimum was three seven. His average is probably about

1571
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: four four four five. Barringer at four four five, two five,

1572
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: three six, one five two eight, four oh five five

1573
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: five two fives. Uh, he had two five, two fives

1574
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: and one five two eight, four oh five and four

1575
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: fifty nine put him out out. His average is probably

1576
01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: a little higher.

1577
01:12:59,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1578
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: He was bo.

1579
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: So there's two things in my my really unexpert opinion

1580
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: when it comes to punters with Baringer, what I will say, One,

1581
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: you could hear that ball come off the foot right

1582
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: like that. It makes that like pop when and that's

1583
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for that. And

1584
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: the other thing is he reminded me a ton and

1585
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 2: it wasn't quite as impressive. Remember that, Like that those

1586
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks of spring camp and things like that,

1587
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: Jake Bailey was just like kicking the crap out of the.

1588
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: Remember hearing Matthew Slater at one yell wow, yeah.

1589
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: Like yeah, we weren't quite there with Bearinger, but it

1590
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: was it was close. I think it was close. And

1591
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: I just remember Bailey in that camp being just super

1592
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: impressive and I wasn't. I wasn't as bullish. But there

1593
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: was some punts, certainly from Baringer, but the point being

1594
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 2: in that practice, those practices for Bailey, there were some shanks. Yeah,

1595
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: And I remember talking to some of the guys about it,

1596
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: and they were just saying that that's the type he

1597
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: was kind of that type of punter at the time

1598
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: where it was either all driver or was it or

1599
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: you're shaking it into the woods right your golf references.

1600
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: And I still think that Bearinger is kind of in

1601
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: that territory where the kids got a leg, like there's

1602
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,480
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. Is it going to be consistent?

1603
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: I still think that maybe that that remains to be seen.

1604
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: Is that is that fair?

1605
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: What you say? Yeah? I thought he I thought he looked. Yeah.

1606
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. It

1607
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: was interesting too, so they were essentially doing two drills

1608
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: at once. They were doing punt block drills. And return drills.

1609
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: So at times they had the punt formation lined up

1610
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: and then the punter lined up like off to the side,

1611
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: near the side of people listened to the show, and

1612
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: so they'd snaffed the ball to whoever was back there

1613
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: as the punter, and then he would essentially throw the

1614
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: ball up in the air like it was blocked and

1615
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: the punter off on the sideline would punt it. So

1616
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: you're coming from a different angle. It's it's a little

1617
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: bit of a different operation that kind of changes things. Well,

1618
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,919
Speaker 1: they did do some regular punts too, but if Baringer,

1619
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: a couple of his shorter kicks came off of that

1620
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: where he was the punter off to the side, so

1621
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: it looks a little different. So we got to see

1622
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: him like full on, you know, coming.

1623
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: Up and with Chad Ryland, I thought your analy it's

1624
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: just after the draft about him being like money from

1625
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: inside fifty and we'll see about fifty plus seem pretty

1626
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: accurate yesterday, Like it seemed like he has a really

1627
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: nice control of the football, like he when he kicks it,

1628
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: he knows where it's going. Yeah, it's not like he

1629
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: kicks it and it's like like off to the left.

1630
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 2: You know, I think guys like Justin ro Rosser, Quinn Nordine,

1631
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: when we saw them kick. When they were on, they

1632
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 2: were on, but when they were off it.

1633
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: Was like, well, it's like you should with Bailey, they're

1634
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: all driver, They're trying to hit the ball as hard

1635
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: as they can and sometimes you lose control on that. Yeah,

1636
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: Ryland is kind of picking up where he left off

1637
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: with Nick Folly. You know, when you get forty five

1638
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: fifty yard field goal, you're gonna maybe consider going for it,

1639
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: but you get inside forty five yards you feel pretty

1640
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: good about what he's gonna do. You feel like you're

1641
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: walking away with three points very very consistently, which I

1642
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: think is how they approach the position. And to something

1643
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: you like to talk about to apply this to offense,

1644
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: YEA having that kind of kicker is generally assigned. And

1645
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: when they brought in Nick Folk, this was true. They're

1646
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: gonna go for it more in that tweener range. Because

1647
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: if you if you know you're gonna go for it

1648
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: right from I'm blanking on the yard lines, but from

1649
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: like a forty five to a fifty five yard field

1650
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: well after that you're punting. But if you know you're

1651
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna go for it more in that range than punt.

1652
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world to get

1653
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: a kicker who prioritizes accuracy more than power, because you

1654
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: know you're not kicking it there, so fine, all right,

1655
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: he's automatic inside of forty perfect. We don't really care

1656
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: what he can do beyond that, whereas other teams may say,

1657
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: we want the option to kick field goals from further out.

1658
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: Now the downside of that, and we saw this with

1659
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: Folk in the Bucks game in twenty twenty one. When

1660
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: you need to win a game, when you need right,

1661
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: when you need fifty four yards to win the game,

1662
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: you're kind of grinding your teeth a little. But I

1663
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: don't mind that they're planning on not every game, on

1664
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: every game, not coming down to a field nice like

1665
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: that's this is kind of what they do. So I

1666
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: think this is a sign, among other things, to bring

1667
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: it to offense because I have to make it relevant

1668
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: to people like you. They're gonna they're gonna go for

1669
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: it more on fourth down this year.

1670
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: So I do feel like we can rap because we've

1671
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: already talked way too much about the kickers out of

1672
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: no TA practice. But I do feel like they've always

1673
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 2: sort of leaned a little bit more into the accuracy

1674
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: kickers than the power kickers. Like Adam vin Terio was

1675
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: an accuracy kicker, I would say, and Steven Gozkowski, I

1676
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: would say it was maybe early on in Gzkowski's career

1677
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: he had a little bit more leg. But I don't

1678
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: remember either one of those guys being like a Sebastian Janakowski,

1679
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: like you're gonna kick it from sixty yards.

1680
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: You can have leg and still be more like the

1681
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: great kickers can hit from fifty five and they're super accurate, right.

1682
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: I think the only times they've really gone with a

1683
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: guy who prioritized his power to accuracy was Shane Graham

1684
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: for that half season and then roorwass Her and I

1685
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: guess Nordean, But Nordean always felt like a project. I

1686
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: don't think they ever brought Norden into be the starting kicker.

1687
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: I think the idea was, let's just work with this kid,

1688
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: and if he can figure it out, great, If not,

1689
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: we get serious about finding the next kicker, and which

1690
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: is ultimately.

1691
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: The obviously is an accuracy guy Nick Folks.

1692
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: Accuracy guy Uhis Gostowski is I would even say, who

1693
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: did they bring in before folk? Remember they brought a

1694
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: kicker for like two or three weeks. It wasn't Ky

1695
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: for back. They worked him out. No, you had a

1696
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: stupid nickname, Nugent, Mike NuGen. You called him the nude

1697
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: Mike Nugent was an accuracy kicker too. That was a

1698
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: really bad nickname. That was a really stupid nickname. I

1699
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: think that's why he didn't work out here is because

1700
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: you and system you can do anything with.

1701
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: The I guess if he was good, we would have

1702
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: been NuGen and all over the place. It's great.

1703
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't really do that for Chad Ryland.

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: We'll see that. We'll come up with something.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know that has anyways.

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01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: I was not a fan of that.

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't I couldn't tell. So we'll be back out

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: at practice next Tuesday, next to OTA practice, and then

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01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 2: we have mini camp the following week. So we get

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: to see some football over the next couple of weeks,

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Speaker 2: which is great and not actually just talk about it

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: like it's you know, some Madden simulation, but we can

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 2: actually talk about things that are going on and happening,

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 2: and we'll always keep up with the news with DeAndre

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01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: Hopkins and other things that are going on around the league.

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: But all in all, that's a wrap on on our

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Speaker 2: first OTA recap. I think that what fans should really

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: take away from this, and this is how I want

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01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: to end this. What fans should really take away from

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: this is the football team looked like a professional football team.

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: We got a football team, haven't.

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01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 2: And that's all that we can take away from spring

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: practices on May thirty first, But we'll be back next

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01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: Thursday to recap our second look at the Patriots at

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: OTAs next week. Patriots Unfiltered will be on right after

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: next week, so if you want that instant reaction, you

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01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: can do that and you can wait for us on

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Speaker 2: Thursday as well, but until then, signing off for Alex Bartham,

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, thanks for watching, thanks for listening, and we'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys next week.

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