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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the Not Dumes

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, October twenty second,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Happy NBA Day to all that celebrate.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 1: b as always task Melos.

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Speaker 2: It is a happy day podcast listeners. This is for you.

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Speaker 1: Next to him, it's the Bearded One, a top shot boy,

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Speaker 1: Trick Kurby, Hey, hey yo, and over Yonder making the

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Speaker 1: magic happen. Super producer jd Hello, Darius, here we are

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Speaker 1: and man look behind tasks. The Classic Factory Sign is

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Speaker 1: back and working. Took a twenty four hour break.

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Speaker 2: Up until the actual start of the NBA season. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I think was resting up last day exactly. First man,

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Speaker 3: last night. That was the last thing I did before

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Speaker 3: the NBA season started. Its light just turned itself off.

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Speaker 3: I gotta rest, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we all sort of slipped in some like

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Speaker 1: last minute trips and that's what the sign was doing,

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Speaker 1: the Classic Factory Neon Sign. It's back in our lives.

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Speaker 1: So that's a good sign. I think as we get

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Speaker 1: started here tonight and let's just jump right into it

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Speaker 1: because we've got a bunch of rookie extensions to talk about,

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Speaker 1: some injury news. Pick Them is back, Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: but season tips. Tonight schedule features the Celtics starting their

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Speaker 1: championship defense by welcoming the new look Nicks to the

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Speaker 1: TD Garden seven thirty pm Eastern start, and then we

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Speaker 1: have the Timberwolves heading to the Crypto dot Com Arena

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Speaker 1: to face the Lakers at ten. So my question for

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Speaker 1: you guys, everyone joining us live on YouTube, all the

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Speaker 1: podcast listeners, which NBA Opening Night game is the most

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Speaker 1: intriguing if you had to pick between the two Nick Celtics,

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Speaker 1: Wolves Lakers.

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Speaker 2: NBA did pretty good here with both games scheduled. I'm

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Speaker 2: but I am looking forward to tonight. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: to the first one, primarily from Bos from the next side.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they wouldn't got Karl Anthony Towns to beat

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Speaker 2: this Boston Celtics team, so they got to play them

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Speaker 2: in game one, which is fantastic. And Carl Anthony Towns

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Speaker 2: has been playing extremely hard and the preseason going to

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Speaker 2: the line a ton if he was playing thirty six

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Speaker 2: minutes the game, he'd be going to the line ten

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Speaker 2: and a half free throws per game. That's a lot

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Speaker 2: of free throws. It's an angry cat. It's a hungry cat,

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Speaker 2: and I think he'll be hungry tonight against the Celtics,

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Speaker 2: who I know who. They just want a championship and

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Speaker 2: everybody's not really giving them out a lot of credit.

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Speaker 2: But I think that gives them something to focus on,

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Speaker 2: especially with no christofs PORZINGI. So everybody's got to come

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Speaker 2: out and play extremely hard. Jason Tatum has got lots

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Speaker 2: to play for. I saw him deadlifting almost five hundred pounds.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of pounds. Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown's got

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Speaker 2: they will be a hungry bunch. And am I looking

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Speaker 3: They got a lot of practice in Boston.

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Speaker 2: They do, they do well. They have somebody singing live

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Speaker 1: Boston, Jalen Brown, come on that.

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Speaker 3: We got your ring for your hand.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver singing while I come up. I wrote this

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Speaker 1: the overreactions after that game tonight, that first one are

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Speaker 1: going to be amazing because either the Celtics take care

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Speaker 3: Bronni will be on the court together, and Ken Griffy

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows that they had back to back homers together.

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Speaker 3: back to back threes.

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Speaker 1: No, Ray, No, it won't be rating.

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Speaker 1: But it's like Lebron could get hurt. Sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's playing in your twenty two. So it's like they

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they already played together in pre season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just sort of hated that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, ah, they showed the highlight, and the

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Speaker 3: I made basket tonight. I made Yeah, sixty green assists

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Speaker 3: It really matters. The top four guys on this team

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Speaker 1: He's been starting during the scary season.

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Speaker 3: They said, you had one good month, you had fifteen

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. If that march doesn't happen at all, he.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not even close, right right exactly. He had a

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Speaker 3: Why didn't they sign him to five years if they

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Speaker 1: sort of the twenty twenty one draft. He's there signing

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Speaker 1: these extensions. Which one you know that you surprise you,

433
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Speaker 1: Trey or made the most sense? However you want to

434
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Speaker 1: look at this that you want to touch on here

435
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Speaker 1: those four.

436
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Speaker 3: I think the one that makes the most sense for

437
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Speaker 3: me is Jalen Johnson. I think this is a pretty

438
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Speaker 3: solid deal for both sides, five years, basically thirty million

439
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 3: a season. He might be worth more after this year,

440
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: Like he could have easily bet on himself and went

441
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Speaker 3: into restricted free agency and got a MAX from somebody

442
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Speaker 3: and then maybe the Hawks have to match it. But

443
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Speaker 3: Jalen Johnson also has one good season under his belt

444
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Speaker 3: and it ended an injury, So smart of him I

445
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Speaker 3: think to lock up the money, and the Hawks are

446
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Speaker 3: getting a guy who they look at as their number two,

447
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Speaker 3: maybe even more of a future piece than Trey Young

448
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Speaker 3: is depending on how things go in Atlanta over the

449
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Speaker 3: next couple of seasons. But Jalen now is around for

450
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Speaker 3: the long haul. He's gonna at least be a solid starter,

451
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: it looks like in the league, and thirty million dollars

452
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 3: is kind of the going rate for a solid starter.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an underappreciated player I think throughout the league.

454
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because of it's Atlanta, but he's underrated, and

455
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Speaker 2: I think that this deal will be a great deal.

456
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Speaker 2: When it comes to year three or four, year five,

457
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Speaker 2: I think he'll grow into that. They're deciding five years

458
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Speaker 2: for this guy who hasn't had an incredible career. Obviously

459
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: it was hurt last year, but he looked extremely good.

460
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: It's kind of like what the Atlanta Braves are doing

461
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: with their players. Landry Fields is the new Alexanthopolis, he said.

462
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Speaker 2: Long term, we know that this money is going to

463
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Speaker 2: be paid off. Jalen Johnson is damn good, but I

464
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Speaker 2: just don't think NBA fans really know how good he is,

465
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Speaker 2: and him and Trey are going to be great together

466
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Speaker 2: their buds. They've got the on court handshakes that they do.

467
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Speaker 2: They're they're extremely close. So I think he's gonna be great.

468
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Speaker 2: And I know it's kind of middle of the road

469
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Speaker 2: time at the start of the year here at Atlanta,

470
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Speaker 2: for sure, but it is kind of exciting when you

471
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Speaker 2: start to look at the young guys that they are

472
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Speaker 2: putting around Trey Young. Now it's a lot of hope

473
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Speaker 2: type of stuff with Jalen and Reesa Chet and Kobe Buffkin,

474
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Speaker 2: and you can go on Yaka and kong Wu, but

475
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Speaker 2: I want to stop after those three because I haven't

476
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: seen enough for Minneka anyway. But anyway, you've seen enough

477
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: from Kobe though, absolutely not. We saw him, we did

478
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: his greatest game. We saw him upfront in the G League.

479
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: He was banged up last year. He's got heart, he's

480
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 2: six or four, he's tough, he plays the defense. Yeah,

481
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Speaker 2: TVD it is a weird rotation.

482
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Speaker 1: Dyson Daniels stop.

483
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: Even forget I forgot about Dyson. I like it.

484
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Speaker 3: The old guy's contracts are coming to an end here

485
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Speaker 3: in Atlanta sort of. I mean, DeAndre Hunter is still

486
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Speaker 3: paid for like three more seasons. That's weird, But all

487
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: the other a league is like Clint Capella, Flint one

488
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: more year, mcdonovich, Bogdan.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to get dealt. It makes sense sense

490
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Speaker 2: to get him dealt.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the Trey Murphy deal is really

492
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Speaker 1: good for the Pelicans. That's not a high percentage of

493
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Speaker 1: the cap moving forward. And you know, he seems like

494
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Speaker 1: Trey Murphy the third is like the perfect guy in

495
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Speaker 1: today's NBA in terms of size. Obviously a three point shot,

496
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Speaker 1: he's improved as a defender. He makes sense alongside a

497
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Speaker 1: guy like Zion if that's your cornerstone. I mean, really,

498
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: now they have Zion Dejonte, Herb Jones and you got

499
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Speaker 1: Trey Murphy. They're all locked into contracts here for the

500
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Speaker 1: Pelicans for at least the next three seasons. And this move,

501
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: this contract extension, I mean, just another indication. It feels

502
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Speaker 1: like that the Pels will eventually be moving off of

503
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Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram. I mean, he's going to be hitting unrestricted

504
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: free agency next summer. Obviously he's been in all these

505
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: trade rumors. It's sort of like, here you go, Trey Murphy,

506
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: here's here's your position, and we like maybe even what

507
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Speaker 1: you can do maybe a bit more than brandon Ingram

508
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Speaker 1: in terms of how he pairs with Zion. So I

509
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Speaker 1: you know, just a matter of time, it's either going

510
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Speaker 1: to be a trade right with brandon Ingram or he leaves.

511
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Speaker 1: I assume because they have a lot of money committed

512
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Speaker 1: to Zion, Murray Jones, even CJ. McCollum's still there making

513
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money in twenty five, twenty six.

514
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Speaker 2: It feels that way, yeah, but it also feels like

515
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Speaker 2: Trey Murphy's it's a good deal for a modern day

516
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: NBA player who's absolutely who's been shooting that three ball

517
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: well from day one, and so it makes sense to

518
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: pay him the thirty mill MARKU twenty eight mil, no

519
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: problem for you in modern day NBA. That's that starter money.

520
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: So he should be a starter.

521
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's the main thing.

522
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Speaker 3: So Ingram seems like he'll probably be a in season trade,

523
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Speaker 3: maybe a trade deadline one. I would not think McCollum

524
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: is long for New Orleans either, though maybe he sticks

525
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: around more as the Vets sort of dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So seven twenty twenty one first round picks agreed

527
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Speaker 1: to sub max deals there on Monday if you include

528
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Speaker 1: also Moody, who was what three for thirty nine? Is

529
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Speaker 1: that you guys said, that's right? I think nine. I

530
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Speaker 1: should note there, you know, Moody gets his deal the

531
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Speaker 1: Warriors and Jonathan Kaminga did not reach a new deal.

532
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Speaker 1: Apparently Golden State had offered him a deal worth around

533
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Speaker 1: thirty million annually per the Athletic, but it was not

534
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Speaker 1: willing to go higher than that, and Kaminga said, nope,

535
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Speaker 1: not high enough for me. I guess sort of the

536
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Speaker 1: idea of like, I'll bet on myself a little bit

537
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Speaker 1: more so we'll see. But that was sort of the

538
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Speaker 1: I guess the most surprising name to knock get an

539
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Speaker 1: extension intention for Josh Giddy.

540
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Speaker 3: Both didn't negotiate against themselves, shocking the NBA cognacenti. But yeah,

541
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Speaker 3: it's Kaminga watch right now because he bet on himself.

542
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: The guy is already kind of an outlier on the

543
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Speaker 3: Golden State Warriors, and now he's in a contract year

544
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Speaker 3: where he's trying to prove to people around the league

545
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Speaker 3: that he's a MAX player. He's also coming in likely

546
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Speaker 3: starting as the three for the Warriors, alongside Draymond and

547
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: probably Kevon Loni though could be Trace Jackson Davis. Doesn't matter.

548
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: Neither Draymond or their center are going to be shooters,

549
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: nor is Kaminga. This is not Cominga's best position. He's

550
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: more of a four who can score off the dribble

551
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: with the shooting four or a shooting five next to him,

552
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: or just a little bit more space on the floor.

553
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Speaker 3: So I don't know this is a It feels to

554
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Speaker 3: me like it'll be a tense situation because I think

555
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Speaker 3: in that Shaan's report they mentioned watch for the chemistry

556
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Speaker 3: between Steve Kerr and Jonathan Kaminga because Kerr has not

557
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: really wanted to play Kaminga throughout his career. There Warriors

558
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: fans don't like it. They're saying, get the guy on

559
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: the court. He's our best chance at a star. Kaminga

560
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: thinks he's a star. Are they brought in a whole

561
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: bunch of other guys that can play the wing position

562
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: that might fit better. So I don't think that, Uh,

563
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I wouldn't like this if I'm a

564
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: Warriors fan. They've been trying to keep this guy around,

565
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: keeping him out of every single trade talk when any

566
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: sort of name comes around and then the opportunity comes

567
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Speaker 3: to pay him and they don't do it.

568
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Speaker 1: Weird.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is odd, and it feels like somebody around

570
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: the NBA would be willing to pay him more than

571
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: the Warriors were. So maybe there is a deal to

572
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: be had to get somebody to support Steph Curry as

573
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: more of a you know, number two type of guy

574
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: out there, and that could be coming, that's for sure. Yeah,

575
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: so this is interesting. That surprised me. Corey Kispert just

576
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: signing an extension just surprised me. I just wasn't ready

577
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: for a Corey Kispert. Although that's you know, much like

578
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: the Moody.

579
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Speaker 1: Prepared to these other ones.

580
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's It reminded me of the Moody.

581
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: It just ain't a lot of money in today's NBA.

582
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: It's fourteen per no problem, you know, thirteen and a half,

583
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: no problem.

584
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Speaker 1: Mid level.

585
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just a little bit more. But it was

586
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: cool to see a guy the Orlando Magic, at least

587
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: unlike the Golden State Warriors. They know who they're going with,

588
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: and to see Jalen Suggs go get that money because

589
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: he is the heart of that team's defense. He really,

590
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: really is he's grown into what can be extremely important

591
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: in the NBA. In three seasons, He's grown into this

592
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: great defensive player, and I think he'll have a better

593
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: year offensively because of KCP around him to take a

594
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: little bit of the burden off defensively. But they've paid

595
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Speaker 2: Franz Now, KCP, Jonathan Isaac, Wendell Carter, and Jalen Suggs

596
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: and Powoloa to come, So that's who they are.

597
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, outside of the youngsters, the Denver Nuggets retained crucial

598
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: title piece Aaron Gordon on a four year, one hundred

599
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: and thirty three million dollar max extension. The deal, which

600
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Speaker 1: includes a player option in twenty eight twenty nine and

601
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: a trade kicker. It comes via him opting in on

602
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: his twenty three million dollar salary for the twenty five

603
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: to twenty six season and then adding three additional years

604
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: at maximum salary including bonuses. So the Nuggets lock up

605
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: age is again something as we're talking about there and

606
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: like will they should they how much and all that.

607
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Gordon being there for at least a

608
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: foreseeable future.

609
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: I love it.

610
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: The Nuggets had to bring him back. He was integral

611
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: to their championship. He's integral to their team.

612
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Now.

613
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: The fake hook shot ally you pass from Jokic to

614
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon is one of the greatest plays in the

615
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: NBA right now. I don't know what Aaron Gordon's gonna

616
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: look like at thirty three, at the end of his deal.

617
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: That's a problem for the future Nuggets. You know, the

618
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: current Nuggets are trying to win a championship, so smart

619
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: I think of them to lock in Aaron Gordon know

620
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: he's around. The raises for his contract are apparently pretty

621
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: well timed so that the Nuggets don't have to get

622
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: into the repeater tax. Big shout out to Stan Kronk.

623
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm happy for this guy avoiding the repeater tax. You know,

624
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: people never go to Walmart these days, so pockets are

625
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: a little light. But this puts me on MPG watch

626
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: because his now is the contract that looks a little

627
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: wonky for Stan Kronky when you're looking at all of them.

628
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: He's getting paid Jamal Murray, even if it was an

629
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: ugly few months during the playoffs and the Olympics, He's

630
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: getting paid Aaron Gordon. He's K's best friend on the team.

631
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: It seems like except for maybe Flacco Chanchar right. I

632
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 3: don't know about how Vodko factors in there, but Gordon Jokic,

633
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: they're perfect together on the court and off the court.

634
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: Bring him back, Michael Porter Jr. We need more from you.

635
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: Less podcasts.

636
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: He's still doing it.

637
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: I see a clip, an insane clip once every month.

638
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe he's on a quota. He's just bank

639
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: the ball.

640
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you should sell him at Walmart's because Walmart's

641
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 2: are closing. Really, yeah, a lot of them this this

642
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: I mean stays at home.

643
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: We're on Amazon. Yeah.

644
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: I think it has to do with the pharmacies because

645
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: people are just buying stuff online and not going to

646
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Walmart anymore. But I don't know, they're just they're just closing.

647
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that's crunk he's thinking, and people were thinking that

648
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: why they didn't give KCP that money because they didn't

649
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: want to get into the old apron and so people

650
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: were worried. As a Dungts fan, you give Jamal Murray

651
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: the Max, what are you gonna do with Aaron Gordon,

652
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: who really was the heart of that defense, especially and

653
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: playing with Jokic. He's definitely close and connected with Nikola Jokic,

654
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: so they're paying their core four you can call him that.

655
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: And Christian Brown should be great looking forward to watching him.

656
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is Yokich's boy, you gotta pay him.

657
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: I think Yoki should be buddies with Dario Sarch just

658
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: because they're from the same part of the world. They

659
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: should be buddies. I guess he seemed so close with

660
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: everybody after playing for Serbia. Then they did the game

661
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: for Goran Drakic. He looked like he was so pomped,

662
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: and so I think he'll be in a better mood.

663
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: He asked for Westbrook got him, So I think he's

664
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: got his buddies. They should be happy.

665
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Age opting into the final year of his contract does

666
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: help Denver too. Gives him a little cat flexibility, you

667
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: know this season, So yeah, he gets the max, but

668
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: he's also helping them out here, so it makes sense.

669
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: I forgot that he's changing his number two Aaron Gordon

670
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: is as he enters his eleventh NBA season. He's changing

671
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: from fifty to number thirty two to honor his older

672
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: brother Drew, who died in a car accident in May,

673
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: so he will no longer be number fifty it'll be

674
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Speaker 1: thirty two for ag final piece of like sort of

675
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: NBA news here NBA adjacent news. The G League is

676
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: implementing a few new rules this season, and one in

677
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: particular had Twitter sort of buzzin yesterday. This year, certain

678
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: unsuccessful end of period heaves will be adjusted from an

679
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: individual player's mist field goal attempt to a team field

680
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: goal attempt when the following criteria is met. The mist

681
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: field goal attempt takes place within the final three seconds

682
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: of the first three periods of the game. The mist

683
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: field goal attempt takes place from beyond the outer edge

684
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: of the center circle extended, so basically thirty six feet.

685
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: You're seeing it here on YouTube a lot more sense

686
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: when you see the graphic and the play originates in

687
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the back court. So yes, yes, yes, yes yes. So

688
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: the G League, you know, like to experiment with rule changes,

689
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and then they sometimes find their way to the NBA.

690
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: Task Yeah, do you.

691
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: Think you know the designation of heaves will eventually make

692
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: its way to the NBA Because some players don't like

693
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: to chuck that bad boy up from seventy feet. They

694
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: do it right after the buzzer goes because they don't

695
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: want an extra one in the field goal attempted.

696
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: That is the absolute reason that they're instituting this is

697
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: so a player, it feels comfortable heaving because it's not

698
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: a missed field goal percent I do find weird when

699
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: you say that it has to start from the back court.

700
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: I found that weird. Well, why can't you just why

701
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: can't it be starting in the front court And let's

702
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: say it's an inbound you know, it's an inbound play

703
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: with four seconds laughing, and you inbound to the back

704
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: court and the guy he's for three seconds. That's just

705
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: a weird thing. Oh maybe maybe I think it counts.

706
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: I think they're just saying the three or four feet

707
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: in the front court, you could not start there, and

708
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: he they're almost saying it has to be behind half court.

709
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: But your momentum can take your steps past that.

710
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Misjudge it. You're totally right. I would have loved to

711
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: have just been a fly on the wall when they

712
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: were discussing this in the G league discussion. It was

713
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: in the NBA. It was basically four guys, So they

714
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: don't have a worse field goal percentage, that's what you think.

715
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: They're just gonna do it in the league and then

716
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: it will eventually come to the NBA.

717
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: This is weird. This is why you're this is why

718
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: you would feel comfortable taking a shot in the back court.

719
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Pretty sad, right, Wait, who was the one player though, Richard? No, no, no,

720
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, who was the one player that

721
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: had like he had to hit a certain like three

722
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: point percentage and so like he hit it and then

723
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: he like just didn't take a three for the final

724
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: parkless hearts great pull uh you know, you know there's

725
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: bonuses and stuff like that.

726
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Naji Marshall was like the

727
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: heathenist player last year and it dragged down his three

728
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: point percentage by one percent point. I'm gonna task this

729
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: will be in the NBA because it saves guys from

730
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: having an OH for one in the box. Yeah, that's

731
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: honestly ridiculous. Not a problem, but not a problem.

732
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: Not an issue.

733
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: That just a little bit past half court is so funny.

734
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

735
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be running so fast they can't stop

736
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: right at half court, but no step backs into the

737
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: heave zone.

738
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, So there you go. So that's

739
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: gonna be in the G League. It's not in the NBA. Yet,

740
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: but we think it will be eventually. All right, let's

741
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: let's quickly pivot to this. I got I saw an article,

742
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: I should say, from the Action Network Evan Abrams. He

743
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: posted like a bunch of NBA trends, sort of stats notes.

744
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: It's sort of his version of a preview, and there

745
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: were just a couple of things that I thought were

746
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: interesting to throw at you guys through at the listener

747
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: and viewer here just in terms of like sort of

748
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: I guess it has a betting angle, but big picture

749
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: of things here it'll make sense, Evan wrote. In the

750
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: last forty years, only nine teams have won the NBA

751
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: title with preseason odds of ten to one or higher.

752
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: The five title teams with the longest preseason odds were

753
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: these teams fourteen to fifteen Warriors plus twenty eight hundred,

754
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: the twenty ten to eleven Mavericks plus two thousand, the

755
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Raptors of course plus eighteen fifty, the twenty two to

756
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: twenty three Nuggets at plus eighteen hundred, and the three

757
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: four Pistons at plus fifteen hundred. But generally, your NBA

758
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: champion is coming from the preseason odds that are ten

759
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: to one you don't get like a wild card or

760
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: a long shot very often. If that holds true this year,

761
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: the odds say, we only have really four teams with

762
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: a realistic shot of winning the title Celtics plus three two,

763
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: five Thunder plus five hundred, Knicks plus six fifty and

764
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: the Sixers sneaking in there plus one tho ten to

765
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: one odds. Yeah, it was a note, would you. I

766
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: know we've talked about our tiers and we had a

767
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: great debate about title contenders. We obviously think the Celtics,

768
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe the Thunder. We had the Nuggets though, as the

769
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: third team in our tier ranking s tier not there.

770
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Not With these odds, they'd be maybe an outlier, just

771
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: like they were in twenty two twenty three. Say it

772
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: to me again, the four that are currently Yeah, Celtics, Thunder,

773
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Nix and Sixers and Nick.

774
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: Who do I want to add? You're telling me, Yeah,

775
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: you're telling me the Nuggets aren't on there. No, nor

776
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: are the Mavericks not better than ten to one, nor

777
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: are the Phoenix Suns. Those are my three dark ones.

778
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Could it be one of these years where a team

779
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: outside the ten.

780
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: To one odds win absolutely?

781
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Is it open enough to you test.

782
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

783
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I know, I think they take top four.

784
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. You guys did pretty well with the teams

785
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: you selected as your contenders. Not bad well.

786
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I brought up the Nuggets there. This is a fascinating

787
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: note historic run right now for the Nugget. Denver hasn't

788
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: officially gone under their win total in almost a decade.

789
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: Last time they went under Obama still president, Kobe entering

790
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: his last season, and most importantly, Denver was just about

791
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: to hire Michael Malone. Malone's first season came in twenty fifteen,

792
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: and Denver is eight and oh to their win total

793
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: over since then. Nineteen twenty season taken out due to

794
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: the pandemic, so you had to wipe that one from

795
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: the board. The Nuggets over under was fifty one and

796
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: a half this season. That was one of our locks tasks,

797
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: what we agreed on. We both went over. So you know,

798
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: this is a good trend. If it continues, they just

799
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: generally do hit it. Hollinger though, had them finishing forty

800
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: nine and thirty three, and Zach Harper was slightly under.

801
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember where you ultimately landed on the Nuggets.

802
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: I know you didn't have as a lock. I can't

803
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: remember if you came over with us or under, but hey,

804
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: good for us.

805
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 3: I was under on Denver.

806
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you say this, the streak will be

807
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: snapped here it's over.

808
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's kind of like the Clippers streak of having

809
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: thirteen straight winning seasons. Thirteen straight winning seasons hard to believe.

810
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Will it be snapped? Head to the into It Dome

811
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: tomorrow to fine?

812
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Nuggets, we all know Yokich win his

813
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 1: third MVP last season put them on the short list

814
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: of just nine players to ever win three or more MVPs.

815
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: What's interesting is Yokich's odds to win MVP entering every

816
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: season that he got it. So in twenty twenty three

817
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: plus four to fifty, you know, he's one of the

818
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: favorites in twenty one plus sixteen hundred, and in twenty

819
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: plus twenty five hundred. So apparently I didn't know this.

820
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: We have NBA MVP odds dating back eighteen years to

821
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, five times a player at ten

822
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: to one odds or higher has won the award, with

823
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: Jokic doing it in two of those slots. I bring

824
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: this up because our four MVP favorites Luca, Sga, Jokic,

825
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: and Jannis are all under ten to one odds. Right,

826
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: they're your favorites. But then we have Anthony Edwards plus

827
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: twelve hundred, Trey's pick of MVP, Jalen Brunson plus fourteen hundred,

828
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Tatum plus fifteen hundred, Wemby plus twenty two hundred, EMBIID

829
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: plus twenty five hundred. I would not bet on that.

830
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: He's basically telling you do not bet on that. Not

831
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: gonna play enough games. But this, I feel like, is

832
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: one of the seasons where I think it's there's a

833
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: case to be made for a lot of those guys

834
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: higher than ten to one odds.

835
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: Where they could do it. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the

836
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: parody is helping. It seems to be changing. I think

837
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: in terms of odds that there will be worse odds. However,

838
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: you look at it on more players, I think that's happening.

839
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: Parody is happening, And like I said, Trey agrees took

840
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: Brunson plus fourteen hundred.

841
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: We went with the We went with the favorites. We

842
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: played it safer. I ad Sga, you had Luca, which

843
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot of people are picking

844
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: one of those two guys. But again you can, like

845
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you can make a case for Anthony maybe Tatum Brunson

846
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: for sure. So I think it could be one of

847
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: those years. This is hilarious, this stat, Quinn Snyder. It's

848
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: been on a rough run lately. Yeah, over the last

849
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: three seasons with the Hawks and Jazz, Snyder has won

850
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: only thirty eight percent of his games against the spread.

851
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: So hypothetically one hundred dollars better. Let's say if you're

852
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: betting on Quinn Snyder games, you'd be down over five

853
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars just betting on Snyder's Jazz and then Hawks.

854
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: He's the least profitable coach against the spread over the

855
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: stretch by a wide margin. And it gets worse when

856
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: Snyder's team is playing the Segababa the second game of

857
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: a back to back and his opponent isn't He's four

858
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: and nineteen against the spread over the last three seasons.

859
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: So look at the schedule there. That's a little Snyder

860
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: tip for you.

861
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: Snyder tip.

862
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, I thought I thought those were interesting. But

863
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: final one, and this is not from the Action Network,

864
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: This is from the No Dunks Network. The Athletic Network

865
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: a wedgies. I was thinking, if you were to set

866
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: a weggie line, and you should have this bet MGM,

867
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: by the way, you should say we shouldn't be able

868
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: to bet on how many wedgies will happen in an

869
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: NBA season. But I'm like, what would you set it at.

870
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.

871
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Let's talk it out. Last season a record sixty three weggies,

872
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: that's correct, including one in the finals from Luca himself.

873
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: What a year a year before that season before that

874
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three, fifty eight weggies. That's a

875
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of weggies. Before that twenty one to twenty two,

876
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: forty five wedgies. And the season before that, twenty twenty one,

877
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: we had fifty eight wedgies in ten fewer games for

878
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: each team. That was the seventy two game season. We

879
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,479
Speaker 1: had a lot of legges. Wow, we did, So let's

880
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: throw that one out because of the seventy two games.

881
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Even though though it was like an incredible year for weggies,

882
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: over the last three seasons, we've averaged fifty five point

883
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: three weggies per season. So I think we set the

884
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: line probably either at you know, fifty four and a

885
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: half or fifty five and a half your preference and

886
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: if you do, are you going over?

887
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: That? Is that's fair? When you mentioned that forty five

888
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Weggie year, I was surprised. I thought maybe you typed

889
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: it incorrectly, maybe you're meant to to hit the five

890
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: instead of the four. But you fat fingered, No, you didn't.

891
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: You got it.

892
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I only have it because of Weggie tracker dot com.

893
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh so many who also told me.

894
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: That we are at us officially tracking them at least

895
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety nine total wedgies.

896
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell mister Weggie Tracker, I keep these

897
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: stats as well. Yeah, yeah, he's right.

898
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: H next you will be our five hundred.

899
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal. It is a big deal.

900
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: That could happen tonight Bronnie's first shot.

901
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Okay, I think we set the line at

902
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: fifty five and a half. That's just a good number

903
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: to remember.

904
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everybody one point five?

905
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: I like that.

906
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's going over. I'd say if people are playing

907
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: this line, you they're playing it on the Action Network

908
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: or bet MGM. I also get those emails. It was

909
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: fun to read those from Action Network. Why don't you

910
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: throw a Weggie one in there. Yeah, fifty five and

911
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: a half or fifty four and a half, you're going under, right,

912
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, if you're if you're at fifty four

913
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 2: and a half, I would bump it. Fifty five fifty six.

914
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: People are all betting the over. I'm just looking at over. Yeah. Sure,

915
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: it's more exciting.

916
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Oh you do you want to be

917
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: you want to be the bookie then yeah, you want

918
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: to be the house Yeah, I know I'd go start

919
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: taking these bets fifty.

920
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: Seven and a half. But it is fun. It is

921
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: fun watching the videos at the end of the year

922
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: of the sixty three that were compiled last year. Yeah,

923
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: in an absolute blast. Check out no ducts. Yeah, so

924
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: where are we going fifty fifty whatever?

925
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: We're setting the line at fifty five and a half.

926
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: You were obviously saying, over, Trey Kirby, I'm over.

927
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: JD.

928
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Feel free to chime in. Are we going to have

929
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: a down year? I mean, look, we're on two epic

930
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: runs fifty eight the two seasons ago sixty three last.

931
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: Year, I'm going under?

932
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah yeah, how dare you a sorry Jesus on

933
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: both sides? Gotta yeah, we can't lose that way. Yeah,

934
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: I can't start a little sprinkle up over, sprinkle.

935
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: Up, JD. Maybe your numbers man, because the years prior.

936
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: I'll just go, I'll just reverse every single year last year,

937
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: sixty three before that, fifty eight before that, forty five

938
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: before that, fifty eight. And these are JD money winning

939
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: years forty four, forty eight, forty fifty one, forty five,

940
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: forty seven. Wow, I don't know if it's the three

941
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: balls juice era.

942
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, three point shooting the ball change won.

943
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: That was the year changed. Man.

944
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: Stickier, the balls are stickier. Now they're sticking the balls.

945
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm like juicing the balls. I'll go fifty eight exactly. Oh,

946
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 3: that was just the number that came to my head.

947
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I was dreaming. We were pretty pumped when we hit sixty.

948
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean, fifty used to be the benchmark.

949
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: Fifty used to be with all those numbers.

950
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: You just said, Yeah, I'm with you, JDM, going under. Yeah,

951
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm going under. But we hit fifty same, okay, all right, great,

952
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: uh pick up. It's back in our lives. For those

953
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: new to the show, we used to in seasons past.

954
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Took a little bit of a hiatus, but we would

955
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: pick a game every night. We would use the line

956
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: We'll pull these lines from bet MGM and bet on

957
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: them against each other. We bet money, No, we're betting hijinks.

958
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: Beton HyG right, right, because the loser at the end

959
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: of the month has to pay it off. The pick

960
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: and payoff. We might run back some classics. If you

961
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: have ideas for things we should do on the show,

962
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: by all means, tweet them in, email them in, let

963
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: us know in the YouTube comments. But let's just get

964
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: to tonight's pick. The game is the Wolves favored by

965
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: one and a half against the Lakers. Let's show you

966
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: where we're going, because we just got a sexy graphic.

967
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: We're splitting Hey, oh and eshes in on it this year.

968
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: Oh boy, he said, I want to eat some roast

969
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 3: beef with apples off.

970
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: Angry. It's going to be more than that.

971
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Esh, So myself and Task taking the Wolves to win

972
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: by two or more points in La tonight. But Trey

973
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: and Esh playing the father son duo tonight back in

974
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the lines of that is that the reason I don't know,

975
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm just making it up for you. Why are you

976
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: taking the lebron and the Lakers.

977
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: They're at home, home home game.

978
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: Actually, in that same email from the Action Network, it

979
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: did say Lebron quite quite poor results against the spread

980
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: on opening night. Damn it told you that. Check my emails.

981
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, some wins, but you're going Wolves.

982
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time for Anthony Edwards. League believes, I know

983
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: Minnesota believes. I think he's gonna have a big Opening Night.

984
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: There's a reason why the NBA gave him the most

985
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: nationally televised games there, you know, history in there, but

986
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: the biggest jump from last year from five to eighteen.

987
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: So I think it's Edward's time his career high against

988
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: the Lakers. It's only forty one.

989
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: Oh there's a line because he hit the over tonight.

990
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh wow, game one. So there it is.

991
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: And I guess this will be a short month because

992
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: we're starting October twenty second. This is gonna be well,

993
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: we got thirty one days with Halloween, it's gonna be

994
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: a quick month for us here. I assume the payoff

995
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: will be costume related, Halloween related. I think it would

996
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: be funny if the person that loses last place has

997
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: to wear a costume okay of our choice. But he

998
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: has to wear it for the entire week because it's

999
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: just you know, one day okay, ha ha, but it'll

1000
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: be really weird by like day four and five in

1001
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: the same costume. Just proposing it.

1002
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: I'm not against it, okay, I hed it.

1003
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Okay, right, you got an idea for a costume? No? No,

1004
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: So if you have an idea, let.

1005
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: Us know, just go to Spirit Halloween on November first,

1006
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: find the.

1007
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: Worst one cheap?

1008
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, discount.

1009
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Third settled someone to have to be losing. Come in,

1010
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: sit here, that's a real.

1011
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: He's got to drive and talk. Yeah, steaks are high.

1012
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: I tried to tell him. He said, well, I wanted

1013
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: on picking. I said, I understand the picking part. That's

1014
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: the fun parts. The payoff it sucks.

1015
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sure you want to do? Said so he

1016
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: has to drive in the costume. You can't, right.

1017
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 4: I was going to suggest Bob the Catman from from

1018
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: the Olympics, but you wouldn't really see it with you

1019
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: guys at the desk there, right, you know who's just.

1020
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: A man in the speed up right?

1021
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: A cat I'm always been a fan of these giant

1022
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: the big the bigger, and like Sillier, the funnier for

1023
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: some reason, at least on camera.

1024
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: You got a reserve one. I guess because oh I

1025
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: thought we're going to get like a mascot, like remember

1026
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: the Shark.

1027
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Right up for a week. Yeah, damn, boys are doing

1028
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: well because you guys are subscribing. You guys are leaving

1029
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: the five star ratings and lose. You're sharing the show.

1030
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: We love to see it and do it.

1031
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: They're actually having bad skeets.

1032
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: They're doing bad. What do you mean? We need more reviews?

1033
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: We need more reviews.

1034
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: This five star Friday is going to be coming up here,

1035
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: so juice the stats here.

1036
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get your reviewing on You are on Apple

1037
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: on Apple. But yes, like the video here on YouTube

1038
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: and share it and all that good stuff. NBA season

1039
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: starts tonight. Does it feel like it's actually coming back

1040
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: here tonight? Are you ready? Are you prepared?

1041
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? I am? Okay mentally physically I think it's coming.

1042
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: It feels like it's gone. It's definitely a while.

1043
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: Good news is the World Series doesn't start in told Friday.

1044
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I like that. I thought baseball playoffs were over, Well

1045
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: they sort of are now once Atlanta goes out. Playoffs

1046
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: are over you're not gonna be watching with the big

1047
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: numbers that the Dodgers Yankees is gonna put up. I'll

1048
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: tell you right.

1049
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: Now, So you do better than are four at all?

1050
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Well, it's going to do better than last year's World

1051
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: Series ratings, the lowest of all time. Can you even

1052
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: name the teams?

1053
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't the Brave Rangers and the d Backs.

1054
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: The Rangers and the d Backs, No wonder they rigged it.

1055
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: Exactly. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. We have special

1056
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: guests joining us on the show. So join us at

1057
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: TENNEM Eastern and yeah, enjoyed the basketball, the NBA basketball

1058
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: back in our lives tonight till then Clipper brows.

1059
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

1060
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: Love you guys, awesome.

1061
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And remember the number one draft

1062
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: pick in the NHL draft I love. This name is

1063
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: maclin Celebrini.

1064
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: That's his name, maclinn Celebrini.

1065
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should be saying that right, I'm pretty sure.

1066
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Why did you bring that up?

1067
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: Well, we were, we had we had that, we had

1068
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: the Hockey Night theme, so.

1069
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot to load up a song, so I

1070
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: didn't even notice.

1071
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 2: They're not using it so is it back?

1072
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: I think sports Net got great being copyrighted on this one.

1073
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: He has a load management program already. Come on, you

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Speaker 1: guys are rookie. It's ridiculous, right, so you people